The A&G Replay Friday Hour Four

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: The A&G Replay Friday Hour Four
Release Date: January 7, 2025
Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Introduction

In "The A&G Replay Friday Hour Four," hosts Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty delve into pressing global issues, societal behaviors, and personal anecdotes, providing listeners with a blend of serious discourse and light-hearted conversation. This episode features an in-depth analysis of Douglas Murray's speech on Israel, Hamas, and anti-Semitism, explores the ramifications of extremist ideologies, examines generational dynamics in the workplace, and discusses the surprising correlation between childhood bullying and adult success.

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Douglas Murray’s Insights on Israel, Hamas, and Anti-Semitism

The episode opens with hosts dissecting a speech by Douglas Murray, delivered in Paris, regarding the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas.

• On the Reality of Conflict:
  Murray shares his firsthand experiences in Israel and Gaza, emphasizing the severity of the conflict.
  “I’ve spent most of the months since the 7th of October in Israel and Gaza and have seen as much of the conflict as I think it's possible for non-combatants to see.” ([00:47])

• On Perception of Victims vs. Perpetrators:
  Murray criticizes the misplaced sympathy many in Europe have towards perpetrators over victims.
  “The sympathy of so many people here in Europe since the 7th has not been on the side of the victims, but on the side of the perpetrators.” ([03:21])

• Host Commentary:
  Joe Getty acknowledges the gravity of Murray's points, stating, “This is more than just a recitation of horror. He's working toward greater points.” ([01:23])

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Extremist Ideologies and Their Societal Impact

The conversation shifts to the broader implications of extremist ideologies, particularly Islamic supremacism, and their relentless pursuit of power.

• Murray on Islamic Supremacists:
  “Islam from the first moment was a religion of power. ... It is why the history of peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians has been so hopeless.” ([06:17])

• Sam Harris’s Perspective:
  Joe Getty references Sam Harris’s analysis, highlighting Islam’s expansionist and totalitarian tendencies, and its incompatibility with peace negotiations.
  “They want a one state solution even if everybody dies, everybody on both sides.” ([10:00])

• Host Insights:
  Michael adds, “If MBS might be willing to say, yeah, and you have to commit to a two-state solution sometime and but doesn't actually enforce it.” ([11:29])

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Generational Dynamics in the Workplace

The hosts explore the challenges posed by younger generations in professional settings, particularly their tendency to adopt overly familiar behaviors with senior colleagues.

• Observations on Workplace Behavior:
  Michael reflects, “You want to be what the older people are, but you treat them like peers in a very too familiar way.” ([13:19])

• Cultural Shifts and Virtual Experiences:
  Joe Getty suggests that modern experiences, largely virtual, have altered traditional hierarchical respect.
  “They didn't raise themselves. But culturally, why do young people come into the workplace and feel like they can treat their betters as their peers?” ([15:24])

• Impact of Overemphasized Self-Esteem:
  Michael criticizes the "everyone gets a trophy" mentality, attributing it to the erosion of respect in workplace hierarchies.
  “Too much self-esteem is what I'm saying.” ([15:41])

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Bullying in Childhood and Adult Success

A compelling segment discusses a British five-decade study linking aggressive behavior in school to higher earnings in middle age.

• Study Findings:
  “Children who displayed aggressive behavior at school such as bullying or temper outbursts are likely to earn more money in middle age.” ([20:18])

• Interpretation of Results:
  Katie muses, “The people that are more outspoken maybe going further in business rather than the meek that get picked on.” ([21:31])

• Hosts’ Perspectives:
  Joe Getty emphasizes the value of allowing children to express themselves, even if it manifests as bullying, suggesting it can lead to leadership qualities.
  “There is a place, there's a structure, there's a hierarchy in life. There just is.” ([22:45])

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Personal Anecdotes and Light-Hearted Conversations

The hosts intersperse serious discussions with personal stories and humorous exchanges, adding a relatable touch to the episode.

• Appetizer Debate:
  Joe Getty humorously contrasts his love for appetizers with Jack Armstrong’s aversion, highlighting their friendly banter.
  “Jack is anti-appetizer. And I, on the other hand, love appetizers.” ([18:08])

• Humorous Clip Reaction:
  Michael shares a funny clip of someone speaking an unknown language, sparking laughter and playful speculation about its content.
  “Because this could be the most racist, sexist, overtly horrifying joke you've ever heard in your life.” ([35:12])

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Conclusion

"The A&G Replay Friday Hour Four" offers a nuanced exploration of current geopolitical tensions, societal behavior shifts, and the long-term effects of childhood actions. Through insightful discussions and engaging exchanges, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty provide listeners with a thought-provoking experience that balances depth with relatability.

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Notable Quotes:

• “They want a one state solution even if everybody dies, everybody on both sides.” — Joe Getty ([10:00])
• “You have to put up with the excesses of boyhood to end up with good men.” — Joe Getty ([22:45])
• “If someone in London or Paris loses their dog, they will put up a poster asking people to help find them. And if even one person in our society went around tearing down such a poster, we would ask what had happened in our society.” — Douglas Murray ([03:43])

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Transcript

[Jack Armstrong]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

[Michael]

Hey, we're Armstrong and Getty. We're featuring our podcast One More Thing. Find it wherever you find all your podcasts.

[Joe Getty]

Douglas Murray gave a speech in Paris recently talking about Israel and Hamas and anti Semitism. We have divided a substantial part of it into four cuts. We can discuss in between as desired. Michael, we're starting with 90 there. We should have gotten ready for that and we'll go from there. Hit it.

[Douglas Murray]

I've spent most of the months since the 7th of October in Israel and Gaza and have seen as much of the conflict as I think it's possible for non combatant to see. I've been. I went to all of the massacre sites when they were still fresh, spent a lot of time with the survivors, the families of the hostages. I've been in the morgues of Tel Aviv where they're still trying to identify the dead. One young man's body was only identified yesterday. And think, think what it takes, what you have to do to a man to make his body unidentifiable for eight months.

[Joe Getty]

This is more than just a recitation of horror. He's working toward greater points. But roll on, Michael.

[Douglas Murray]

One of the things that struck me most, 7th of October was I was at one of the reunions of the Nova party and these are all young people who'd seen their friends raped and murdered in front of them. One young man, a survivor, showed me footage from his phone and it included footage of a young friend of his who didn't make it into his car and was lynched by a mob. Immediately afterwards. This young man, this survivor, said to me, what would you do if this happened in your country? And I thought, I didn't say, but it has. It has happened in my society, in my Europe, in my West. The scale may be different, but the terrorists are the same. It happened here in Paris, at the Batacla. It happened in Manchester where 22 young girls were blown up for the crime of going to a pop concert. It happened at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando. The scale was different, but the perpetrators are all the same. They're always the same people who, whether in Toulouse or Port de Vincennes, Copenhagen or Mumbai, can never restrain themselves from targeting the Jews. Yet the sympathy of so many people here in Europe since the 7th has not been on the side of the victims, but on the side of the perpetrators. Too many people mistake the Victim for the oppressor, the underdog for the overdog. And those who fight terrorism with those who dream of it and bring up their children to love it from the cradle.

[Joe Getty]

If you're not familiar with that list of four, Mumbai among them, those are all notable, terrible, deadly attacks by Islamic fascists, Islamic supremacists, whatever you want to call them, on innocent people, terrorist attacks. Any comment or shall we roll on?

[Michael]

Finish and then I will join next clip.

[Douglas Murray]

Consider this. In every European capital as well as in America, photographs of the Israeli hostages still in captivity by Hamas have been put up. And in every city outside of Israel they have been torn down. Think about that for a moment. If someone in London or Paris loses their dog, they will put up a poster asking people to help find them. And if even one person in our society went around tearing down such a poster, we would ask what had happened in our society. We would ask why we were producing people so powerful. Pathological. We would want to find the person and punish them. Yet when the missing are Jewish children or Jewish women or Jewish men, because there's no crime in being a man either. These posters are torn down. One of the relatives of the Bibas children held in captivity told me recently that he saw posters of his one year old relative torn down in the center of Dublin.

[Michael]

Yeah, that, that's a stunning point right there. You have got to be some sort of warped individual and apparently there are a lot of them to take down those posters. Even if you believe all of the nonsense of the land belonged to the Palestinians and the Jewish people stole it, even if you believe all that stuff, you're still against the Jewish families getting their kids back.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I agree with you 100%. But there's example after example just in the last century of ideology, particularly extremist ideology, warping what seemed like normal people and turning them into monsters. And often when that fever and era of history passes, they cannot explain how they got swept up in it and became monsters. Yeah, I knew it's the way humans are.

[Michael]

I knew it had happened in New York and a number of our college campuses. I didn't know it happened everywhere in the world outside of Israel where those posters got torn down. That is highly troubling.

[Joe Getty]

The brilliant Douglas Murray in the final clip.

[Douglas Murray]

One other consideration. We have all for years heard the feminists issue a call on male sexual violence against women, believe all women. But where was the solidarity? Where was the sympathy or even belief when the women were Jews? The belief evaporates and I won't even go into the psychopathology and suicidalism of queers for Palestine who are a branch of turkeys for Christmas. It was Hamas that started this war, yet much of the world has forgotten this. They've been fooled by Hamas propaganda into imagining that Israel is the aggressor. Having seen this war up close, I can tell you with 100% certainty that the war would be over tomorrow, not just if Hamas returned the Jewish hostages, but if the Palestinians in Gaza brought up their children not to hate, but to love. Not. Not to aspire to a cult of death, but to join Israel in a belief in life. Not to believe in destroying a state, but to put their energies into building one.

[Michael]

Yeah. That is something that whole believe all woman me too thing. That obviously the road stopped on that. At Jewish women being raped to death.

[Douglas Murray]

Yeah.

[Katie]

I mean, I was the.

[Joe Getty]

What?

[Katie]

We had a clip this morning of that woman screaming, I support Hamas. I am Hamas. Outside of the White House over the weekend. And prior to her saying that in the clip, she was screaming about all sorts of other stuff. And one of the things, she started screaming us. They didn't. There was no rape. That didn't happen. And I'm sitting there and I'm looking at this huge group of people going, I wonder how many of them were out there during the. The MeToo rallies.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Katie]

Because it's all the same kind of people that go to these protests, all of them.

[Michael]

But that does help their argument. They don't believe those rape stories.

[Joe Getty]

So. Okay, you know, final note, and if you listen to the radio show, you're. Or the Armstrong Giddy on Demand, you're going to hear this again. But I just want to throw in just a little bit of what Sam Harris wrote recently. He's another thinker who I admire even when I don't agree with him. He provokes my thoughts. But he unleashed rather a long piece about fundamentalist Islam and how it's a political system and a relentless expansionist political system and totalitarian political system, and compares it and contrasts it in some ways with Christianity, which is also expansionist, but is blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth when it's done right. Christianity does not employ force in any way. And he gets to the fact that Islam from the first moment was a religion of power. And to quote him, the idea of non Muslims ruling over Muslims or even having equivalent power alongside them perpetually has always been anathema. It's an error to be rectified through spiritual struggle, sure, but also through physical violence. The fact that Islam has failed to achieve dominance in our world and has proven for nearly a thousand years to be quite backward and weak, is a perennial source of humiliation. By the light of the doctrine, it makes absolutely no sense. It's a sacrilege. From the point of view of Islam, the status quo is intolerable. And then he brings it to what we're talking about. And this general attitude of affronted dignity, this yearning for victory, which century after century has been out of reach, affects everything that Islam touches. It is why the history of peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians has been so hopeless. Have the Israelis made mistakes? Of course. Do the Jews have their own religious fanatics? Yes. But the peace process between the Israelis and the Palestinians has been rendered hopeless from the start. Because for a majority of Palestinians and for the vast numbers of Muslims in the region, the mere presence of a Jewish state in the Holy Land is totally unacceptable. It's a nakba, a catastrophe. It is a perversion of sacred history. And it is an abject failure of the mission of Islam, which is to conquer the world for the glory of God and above all, to never forsake Muslim lands once they have been conquered, which of course, Palestine once was. And then it goes into some quotes from the Quran which make it clear that for fundamentalists killing people to achieve their goals is just hunky dory. But I think the point that Sam Harris is making is absolutely fundamental to all of this. They can't come to a settlement with Israel and reach a two state solution. They want a one state solution even if everybody dies, everybody on both sides. Two state solution. Please sell your idiot fantasies somewhere else. We're not buying. I'm not buying.

[Michael]

Yeah. So the question is, Secretary of State's over there trying to work that deal out with Saudi Arabia where we have some sort of agreement with them like we have with Japan, where we would come to their aid if they were attacked and which Saudi Arabia would love that because that helps them in that whole battle with Iran. But Saudi Arabia has to get on board with accepting, you know, normalizing relationship with Israel. Israel, they're saying they won't do that unless one, the war ends and two, they commit to a two state solution. But whether or not they actually mean that or not is an open question. Like if MBS might be willing to say, yeah, and you have to commit to a two state solution sometime and but doesn't actually enforce it.

[Joe Getty]

Right. For domestic political consumption, much as Anthony Blinken is desperate for things to calm down a little bit. For domestic political consumption.

[Michael]

Yeah. And so that's. Those are the next steps there. That'd be a huge deal again, if.

[Joe Getty]

Politics was restricted to people only saying what they actually meant. Like 80% of it would vanish.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Michael]

The whole, like, younger people, people in their 20s in the workplace thing that a number of people have observed and I've had this experience myself and they are having the problem with the level of like, familiarity and lack of. And it's hard to say this without sounding like a but just, just like you go into a workplace where you want to be what the older people are, but you treat them like peers in a very too familiar way. That didn't exist throughout my entire career and I just had that experience here. And now they're having this person, other person's having it at their workplace just like way too much, you know. Hey, bud, how's it going? Hey, what's up, dude?

[Katie]

Lack of respect. Yeah.

[Michael]

And again, it's hard to say it without sounding like a but I. When I started in various jobs, I didn't talk to the older people that had the jobs I wanted that way. And like, suggesting ways they ought to do things differently and just. And I've had a couple of people mention that sort of thing and what we were discussing is where that comes from. Joe and I regularly say, and I never hear anybody else say this, they didn't raise themselves. But culturally, why do young people come into the workplace and feel like they can treat their betters as their peers? Okay, I said their betters.

[Joe Getty]

Wow, you do sound like. And a British, no less.

[Michael]

I don't know what the right term would be, but.

[Joe Getty]

No, I, I get, I get exactly what you're saying. I don't know. Just off the top of my head, I think it probably has to do with virtually all of our experience was actual back in the day. And every generation would layer A little new lacquer or details on the way people act in quotes, come up with variations and change it a little bit. But now so much of people's experience is virtual. They're not, they're not a product of what they've experienced in the same way. I don't know. Does that help?

[Michael]

Well, maybe if you're going to go with multi causal, I can throw out a whole bunch of multi causal. I think, I mean it's the. Some of the fruits of the everybody gets a trophy generation which has been going on for quite a while now. But true, that's part of it. The self esteem movement. We went way too far. Too much self esteem is what I'm saying.

[Joe Getty]

You got miserable failure.

[Michael]

You've got way too much self esteem for your age and where you are. All right, take it down a notch.

[Joe Getty]

And what you've accomplished.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

You know, more importantly that and the whole, the parenting trend of I want to be my kid's friend, not their parent.

[Michael]

Right. You have something, Michael?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Listener]

I'm ashamed to say this, but I watched a manager reprimand a young reporter and you know, it was over something very minor, but he had basically said, you know, you need to pick it up, you need to, you know, get with it. You're sitting around and the young reporter looked at him and said, I'm sorry, but I've never been talked to that way. I don't know if I can work here. And this person was like 25 years old.

[Michael]

Yeah. So again, getting to my monocausal stuff. No teacher can talk to kids that way. So if your parents aren't talking to you that way, the teachers, the coaches, nobody ever talks to you in any sort of way. That kind of puts you in your place. And again, it makes me sound like. But there is a place. There's a place for children, there's a place for people lower on the rung. There's a place, there's a structure, there's a hierarchy in life. There just is.

[Joe Getty]

I sure as hell hope there is. Like when I go in for a surgery, you know, I'm hoping that person did well in medical school, for instance.

[Michael]

Yes, Katie.

[Katie]

Well, no, I just think about a lot of the younger people too. Or have kind of been growing up in that anti law enforcement generation like they are. They don't respect the cops. What's going to make you think they're going to expect respect? You know, somebody who might have worked at a company for five years more than them? I don't know. I Think that the lack of respect for law enforcement kind of trickles down.

[Michael]

I don't actually know. It might just be all of these things, but I have experienced and it's really off putting. I'm going to try to explain to my kids to have a different attitude when they go into a workplace with the people above you with way more experience making a lot more money than you. How about you watch and observe as opposed to think your peers, they got something you, you might want at some level. I've come across enough people bringing this up to know it's a thing. If you have any thoughts on it, listening to this, you could text us or email us. How did people email us?

[Joe Getty]

Mailbagarmstrongandgetti.com Armstrong and Gettysburg.

[Michael]

Hey, it's the Armstrong and Getty show, featuring our podcast, One More thing. We do a new one every day. Find it wherever you find your podcasts.

[Joe Getty]

Now, Katie, you don't know this probably, but Jack and I have had a long running and bitter dispute. I really like appetizers or if I'm out to eat or whatever. He's got like, he's a member of isis. He's got this militant anti appetizer belief. It's stupid. Just have the meal. Just have the meal. You don't need to have appetizers. And anyway, I won't go any further because again, we're not bad mouthing him, okay. And his insane and unsupportable, some would say idiotic beliefs. But Jack is anti appetizer. I, on the other hand, love appetizers. And in fact, Judy and I went to a breast cancer fundraiser just last night and I bought at probably excessive cost, but it wasn't a purchase, it's a donation. I bought an appetizer of the month club membership in which some of the gifted chefs associated with this community, slash, it was a golf club. They deliver to your home like a gourmet appetizer once a month. Oh, I agree with. I know.

[Listener]

That's awesome.

[Joe Getty]

I know. So, like, I'll say, yeah, can we do it this coming Friday? And they'll say, absolutely. And they'll show up with like this brilliantly crafted stuffed mushrooms or something like that. It's a great excuse to have like friends over for a glass of wine and stuff and we get the credit.

[Katie]

Oh, that is so cool.

[Joe Getty]

No, I know it.

[Katie]

Okay, so what kind of things do they offer? So stuffed mushrooms, obviously. Are there other.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. I realize that this, the very term has a negative connotation, but I don't Know why? They did like a super delicious cheese ball, One of those big cheese balls. You dig in with the knife and put it on crackers. But it was like home crafted. Oh, cheese ball.

[Katie]

Those are good cheese balls. Yeah, that sounds awesome to me.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. And a friend, a friend of ours actually bought this last year and I can't remember what else, or like a shrimp thing and various canapes, whatever that is, but just super yummy, like gourmet appetizers.

[Katie]

Yeah. See this sounds like money.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, well, I mean, and particularly, I mean it was several hundred dollars. Again, it's a donation, not a purchase. But when you look at what you spend, like go out for a nice dinner now, especially if you have a bottle of wine or something like that. Holy crap. So anyway, I'm happy to contribute. Judy actually she quilted a thing, a golf cart seat cover that fits like custom fits around the little, what do you call it, the hip rest things to keep you from sliding off the end of it.

[Katie]

Oh yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway, so we made a nice donation to. It was a nice, nice fundraiser. Anyway, came across this article. Playground bullies do prosper and go on to earn more in middle age. This is a five decade study that's thorough. It was Brits. Children who displayed aggressive behavior at school such as bullying or temper outbursts are likely to earn more money in middle age, according to a five decade study that upends the maxim that bullies do not prosper. Any reaction of that, Katie, off the top of your head?

[Katie]

I can, I can kind of see where they're going with this because the people that are more outspoken maybe going further in business rather than the meek that get picked on. I can see that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. This is one of the reasons I'm so militant about in schools. Not making little boys act like little girls, nor should you make little girls act like little boys, let them be themselves. But the idea that you're to sit still and be quiet and just like the girls are doing. Because as a, as a youth coach mostly in soccer, I coach baseball and softball a little bit too, but observing the difference between boys and girls. And then I coached, gosh, I coached 8 year old boys, 10 year old boys, 12 year old boys, that sort of range. And then 14 year old girls was the oldest I ever coached. But I would watch 10 Year Old Boys and there are like 15 guys on the team. Right. So it's a nice like selection of different sorts of human beings. And you could see, okay, that kid is going to be a dynamic leader. But at age 10 he's obnoxious because he has the tool but he doesn't know how to wield it properly.

[Katie]

That's a great point.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, just. And I wish I'd thought about this more but I could give you more examples of just. They're all diamonds in the rough. I mean some of them are probably going to end up in jail or beating their spouse or something like that. I mean not everybody's a diamond, but they're, they're too much of everything. But that's how you end up, I think with a good man. It's very rare that a meek. Well, no, I don't want to, I don't want to overstate this because some people are just introverts but we need to get back to boys will be boys and that, that saying has been perverted to mean allegedly so they can do anything they want. But no, that's not what that saying means at all. It means you have to put up with the excesses of boyhood to end up with good men. No, I abhor bullying, but go ahead.

[Katie]

No, I like what you said too about they have the tool, they just don't know how to use it yet because you do. You might see a leader in this 10 year old but that not yet because right now they don't know.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, they're, they're loud and obnoxious.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Or they bully, for instance. Now some bullies remain bullies and they're a holes and I hate them and I hope they go to prison. But some people, you know, this is. If I haven't told this story in ages. I remember the first time I told this story Now. Gladys, do you play the harp? When I'm thinking about, I'm looking back at telling a story about looking back.

[Michael]

Yeah, she's here for you.

[Joe Getty]

Play the harp twice or how does that work? Doesn't matter.

[Listener]

Just go ahead and start talking.

[Joe Getty]

So I was, I was having this argument with a frenemy, okay. He, I was like the, the pitcher on the baseball team, the high school baseball team. And he was the catcher and he was a really good catcher, really good ballplayer. But he and I had this like two alpha dogs thing going on and so there was respect and all. But we clashed. We clashed a fair amount and we got, we got into it one time verbally and he said to me, and I wish I had, I wish I'd written the quote down. He said something like, I'm not even going to get into it with you because you'll cut me to bits.

[Katie]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

And I thought he sees my verbal ability as a tool of meanness and cruelty. And I thought, I don't want to be that guy ever again. I don't want to, I mean, unless somebody's got it coming. I decided, okay, I have the ability to hurt people with words. I am never going to do that to an innocent victim. And maybe I've lapsed at times of loss of temper or what have you in the intervening years, but I've never thought of myself. Part of it is I never thought of myself as a bully because I would never hurt anybody physically. But I realized at that moment he views me as some sort of verbal bully. And I thought, I'm not going to be that. And so, and I hate that this is painful for me to admit that I might have kind of been that quote, unquote bully who then grew up to not be a bully as an adult.

[Katie]

That's interesting because when you said what, when you quoted what he said, I heard it as like, you were, you have more of a verbal ability than him. Not that you're cruel with your words, but that you, you could verbally take him if you guys were to get into an argument.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. I guess, I guess the subtlety of it is I always saw it as like winning an argument as opposed to leaving a victim.

[Katie]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

Well, it's, you know, like the typical adolescent. It was self centered. I looked at it from my point of view, I win, and I spanked him and sent him running.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

But I hadn't developed the compassion to really see it from the other person's perspective. And like I say, if it's somebody trying to, for instance, you know, like, push experimental sex change procedures on children, I'll rip them apart. If I can. I will turn every skill I have full blast for the kids sake. But like I said, no, no, nobody who doesn't have it coming, I just won't do that.

[Katie]

Yeah, and recognizing that about yourself too is a big thing because I have a very similar, I like to call it a sharp tongue, especially when I.

[Joe Getty]

Picture that at all.

[Katie]

Yeah, no, I don't have that one bit. But I, I, that's something that I've been working on my whole life is realizing, yo, Kate, cool it. Because I know that once it takes off, Bad News Bears.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. You don't punch everybody who deserves it. Yeah. And you don't, you know, strip them naked with your verbiage if they don't deserve it either, even though you can.

[Katie]

And when they do, though, oh, is.

[Joe Getty]

It fun so now the temper outburst thing is interesting. They found an increase in teachers observations of conduct problems such as temper outbursts or bullying or teasing other children was associated with an increase in earnings of nearly 4% of any given rise in conduct problems for boys or girls. That compares to a 6% rise for higher cognition skills. And so as a measure of who's going to do well, at least financially. And oh boy, now that I think about it, that's an interesting way to measure this. Anyway. But being like hot tempered is almost as good an indicator of being successful in life as being smart.

[Katie]

Yeah. Based off how they put it.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. It's 4 to 4% of 6. Well, I guess you could say it's 50% more likely. But you see my point. Further analysis showed that by age 16, those with conduct problems were more sociable as teenagers and were more likely to smoke and be arrested at some point in their lives.

[Katie]

Oh, there's that.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. So is it just being more dynamic in general? I do not know.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

They point out many people, many successful people have had various problems in school, like Winston Churchill, various folks expelled, suspended, who ended up being famous or successful or what have you.

[Katie]

Well, like in, in today's news. I mean, look at Trump. He's considered a bully. He's probably like that his whole life.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I think he's still a bully. It's one of the things I don't particularly like about him, but I was.

[Listener]

Thinking about Steve Jobs.

[Joe Getty]

Genius.

[Listener]

But I've heard he was a complete bully.

[Katie]

Oh, I heard that too.

[Joe Getty]

Oh yeah, that's right at when. Yeah, I was picturing his youth, but yeah, running Apple. He was. He absolutely was. Ye. You know, maybe this boils down to, and this is an old, old message, don't make kids sit still and be quiet and all act the same because they're not the same. There's a cynical view of education, that modern education exists purely to turn people into rule following drones. And you know, I certainly hope that's. I know a lot of gifted teachers and that's not what they're trying to do. But just to what, to whatever extent, that's what's happening. Resist that.

[Katie]

Yeah, a big yuck.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. We need more kids who end up smoking, getting arrested, because the other ones will be Winston Churchill. I think that's our takeaway here. What? Something like that?

[Katie]

Nailed it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Gettysburg.

[Michael]

Your sweatshirt either says IPA or epa. I assume it says IPA like the beer and not EPA like the you're not wearing a sweatshirt that you wouldn't.

[Katie]

Catch me dead in an EPA sweatshirt.

[Michael]

Environmental Protection Agency swag.

[Joe Getty]

I was gonna say, how many. How many agency. Government agencies have swag. I know the CIA and FBI do.

[Michael]

Do they, like, for public purchase?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Cool. Yeah.

[Michael]

Might have to get some of that.

[Joe Getty]

I wear my FBI swag all the time and arrest people.

[Michael]

Oh, I'm gonna get the CIA stuff. I need you to open your trunk.

[Joe Getty]

I bring them to justice.

[Michael]

Open the trunk, please.

[Katie]

You turn on the fake lights on your car, too, so you can relate.

[Michael]

Who are you? I'll ask questions. You open the trunk.

[Joe Getty]

Can I see your badge? Can I see your hands behind your back? And then I cuff them.

[Michael]

So this. I hope this. I hope this works, what I'm about to do here. I came across this last night, and I laughed out loud several times. So it's a guy with a kind of funny laugh. And this is pretty long. He's speaking a different language. I don't even know what language it is, but I don't speak it. But it was still funny. And I could pick up on the universal cadence of telling a story. And then he starts laughing about the story and then filling in more details and continues to laugh. And the other guy's laughing, and it just. And then, like, you know, Then you won't believe this. And then they. I guess that's what he's saying. I don't know. I don't speak the language. But if this is funny to you the way it was to me, I think it says something about humor or. Because I've often thought people that are really, really funny, they don't. They don't even need words. Their timing is so good. The joke doesn't even have to be. Have to be a joke. The timing is so perfect. It's funny just with the timing.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah, I suppose.

[Michael]

Anyway, we'll see if this is funny or not. You're not supposed to understand what this person is saying. He's telling the story. Crank it up good and loud, Michael, so we can hear.

[Joe Getty]

Dude is amused.

[Michael]

I think. First of all, I would like to have somebody translate that story to me, because I just feel like at some point it was like. And then now you won't believe this. Then she walks in with a canary on her head. No, wait, I'm not done yet.

[Joe Getty]

Her husband turns around and he says.

[Michael]

But then the dog comes into the room and. Hold on, I'm not done.

[Joe Getty]

I just hope the translation of that story isn't. They were complaining about how loud my party was, so I went to their home and murdered them all.

[Michael]

Or it's incredibly. Yeah, it's incredibly graphic sexually or something. I mean, just like a racist or something. Oh, my God.

[Joe Getty]

For the record, we got no idea what Bro was saying in that crazy story.

[Michael]

Maybe you should have run this by somebody who speaks whatever language that is.

[Katie]

Before mapping this out now.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Because this could be the most racist, sexist, overtly horrifying joke you've ever heard in your life.

[Katie]

And then the Nazis.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, don't even say it. Oh, my God. Boy, Dude's laugh was just insane.

[Michael]

Wait, wait, you thought that was it? No, that's not the end of it. It sounds like it must have been a heck of a joke.

[Katie]

I think his laugh might have been what was making you laugh, because it just. Just his laugh itself was. Was funny.

[Joe Getty]

Well, yeah, I would. Clearly the infectious laugh had something to do with it.

[Michael]

I would like to have the slightest. The story was about. Because it's got many tags, and just when you think it's over, it's not.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Then her husband. Her husband says, no, seriously, this is what he said. Right? Yeah. I. I wonder, can we run that through Google Translate? Figure out what sort of horror we've unleashed?

[Michael]

You open the closet, and his mom is standing there, and she says, it just keeps going and going.

[Jack Armstrong]

The AR Strong and Getty Show.