The A&G Replay Friday Hour Three

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand: The A&G Replay Friday Hour Three Release Date: July 4, 2025
Host: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Platform: iHeartPodcasts

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1. Embracing Automation: The Tesla Experience

Timestamp: 01:17 – 10:25

Jack Armstrong initiates the episode by sharing his recent experiences with Tesla’s highly automated service model. He expresses both admiration and frustration with the absence of human interaction in Tesla’s customer service ecosystem.

Jack Armstrong reflects on the efficiency of Tesla’s app-based services:

“So, many service appointments, all kinds of stuff that's just amazingly efficient... but like, if you have a question outside of that, you can't talk to a human being.”
(01:17)

He recounts a specific incident where he was unable to access his Tesla’s Cybertruck due to a key malfunction, highlighting the limitations of a purely digital support system:

“It makes me nuts. Silicon Valley's got this view that we just flat don't need humans... maybe we will be someday with AI, but we're just not.”
(05:55)

Joe Getty adds to the critique, labeling the Silicon Valley approach as "hubris":

“It's self-regard, their belief that they can code their way to solve any problem confronting humanity... it's hubris.”
(06:46)

The discussion underscores a growing concern among consumers about the over-reliance on automated systems and the diminishing availability of human support.

2. The WNBA's Evolution: Protecting Star Players

Timestamp: 11:03 – 19:12

Shifting gears, Armstrong and Getty delve into the transformation of the Women’s NBA, drawing parallels to the more aggressive play styles of the early 1990s men’s NBA. They spotlight Sophie Cunningham, a WNBA player who has taken on an enforcer role to protect her teammate, Caitlin Clark.

Jack Armstrong comments on Cunningham’s aggressive tactics:

“She's the girl that's taken on that duty... underneath her commentary, or videos... she puts them in a full headlock and takes them to the floor.”
(13:59)

A pre-recorded segment features Sophie Cunningham herself, articulating her commitment to safeguarding Caitlin Clark:

“I'm a black belt in karate... If you want to come at me, go ahead, but you better check with your bones first.”
(15:05)

Joe Getty humorously critiques the combination of Cunningham’s toughness and her appearance:

“I don't know why everything has to have background music these days, but that was a fine screed. It was an oddly like, well composed. It was an essay.”
(15:08)

The hosts discuss the potential implications for the WNBA, pondering whether increased emphasis on physical confrontations might drive viewership, akin to how certain eras of the men’s NBA capitalized on aggressive play to boost ratings.

3. Decoding the 14th Amendment and Beyond

Timestamp: 19:48 – 29:23

In a more educational segment, Armstrong and Getty explore the complexities of the U.S. Constitution’s Amendments, with a particular focus on the 14th Amendment and the contentious topic of birthright citizenship.

Joe Getty breaks down the structure of the 14th Amendment:

“The 14th Amendment is actually five paragraphs long... the birthright thing. Second part is representatives shall be apportioned... third’s about senators and Congress...”
(19:48 – 20:21)

They humorously critique the interconnectedness and length of certain Amendments:

“The shortest Amendment is the 8th Amendment... excessive bail shall not be required... nor cruel and unusual punishments.”
(20:21 – 20:55)

Jack Armstrong adds historical context, touching on James Madison’s opposition to the Bill of Rights:

“James Madison was really against a Bill of Rights... but then when the vote went against him, he decided... arguing what they ought to be.”
(22:03 – 22:18)

The hosts engage in a lighthearted yet informative discussion about various Amendments, their origins, and their modern interpretations, emphasizing the importance of understanding constitutional rights and their applications.

4. The Limits of Empathy: Reactions to Tragedy and Public Displays of Affection

Timestamp: 31:14 – 40:13

In the final segment, Armstrong and Getty tackle the nuanced topic of empathy, debating whether individuals have a finite capacity for empathetic response.

Jack Armstrong poses a philosophical question following a tragic story:

“Do human beings have a limited amount of empathy? Individual human beings?... I feel nothing for that person.”
(31:27)

Joe Getty shares his perspective on selective empathy:

“I'm not dead inside. I'm just mostly numb. It's like two hours after a dental appointment.”
(39:18)

The conversation evolves as they discuss reactions to different scenarios, such as daredevil accidents versus public figures showing affection. They reference a tweet about Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift sharing a kiss:

“Tim said, I must feel dead inside then, because I feel nothing about this... I thought it was cute.”
(35:01 – 36:07)

Jack Armstrong challenges the notion of limited empathy, questioning the moral implications:

“I have no feeling whatsoever for that person... Sometimes it doesn't work. Didn't work this time.”
(33:29 – 33:36)

The duo explores the psychological and social factors that influence empathetic responses, highlighting the complexity of human emotions and the varying degrees to which individuals connect with different events.

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Notable Quotes

• Jack Armstrong on Tesla’s lack of human support:
  “If you have a question outside of that, you can't talk to a human being.”
  (01:17)

• Joe Getty on Silicon Valley’s approach:
  “It's self-regard, their belief that they can code their way to solve any problem confronting humanity... it's hubris.”
  (06:46)

• Sophie Cunningham on protecting Caitlin Clark:
  “If you want to come at me, go ahead, but you better check with your bones first.”
  (15:05)

• Joe Getty on empathy:
  “I'm not dead inside. I'm just mostly numb. It's like two hours after a dental appointment.”
  (39:18)

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Conclusion

In this Independence Day edition of "The A&G Replay Friday Hour Three," Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty offer a blend of personal anecdotes, cultural critiques, and thoughtful discussions. From the frustrations of navigating Silicon Valley’s automated services to the evolving dynamics within the WNBA, and from dissecting constitutional Amendments to pondering the depths of human empathy, the episode provides listeners with engaging and diverse content. Throughout, Armstrong and Getty maintain their signature blend of humor and insight, making complex topics accessible and entertaining for their audience.

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Transcript

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Unknown]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

And now, here's Armstrong and Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Happy Independence Day, everyone. It's the 4th of July and it's the Ang Replay, featuring bits and pieces.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

So I was test driving some Teslas the other day, and everything that comes out of Silicon Valley, they're trying to get away from human beings as much as possible and have everything be online or an app. We all know that noticed and for some stuff that works, but not everything. And maybe someday all will work, but it's not there yet. And it's driven me crazy as a Tesla driver that you can't get a hold of a human being ever. It's just impossible. If you actually have a question about something, you can do all kinds of really cool things. Like I can, you know, I could go in and order a car the way I want it and have it delivered to my home, like in a couple of days without ever talking to anybody or. And everything you do online in the paperwork. So, I mean, so many service appointments, all kinds of stuff that's just amazingly efficient. But like, if you have a question outside of that, you can't talk to a human being.

[Joe Getty]

And I tell you what, this is a strictly apocryphal tale made up from my fertile imagination. But say you had, I don't know, a company, series of companies that eliminated like all their HR people and you had a portal instead you had a website, right, supposed to click on. And the only blanking way anything ever happens is when you give up because it never works. And you call the number and the, the human who is a backup to the main system says, oh yeah, we can take care of that.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's exactly the example, except for with the Silicon Valley crowd, including, right, Elon and Tesla, they don't have that human backup. That doesn't exist point.

[Joe Getty]

Exactly. That takes some balls.

[Jack Armstrong]

So if you end up in one of those things where it's not accepting your password or it says, we already have that dressed address, please, you know, create a new account or whatever. You know, just one of those things that drive you. There's nobody to call. Along those lines, I booked a. A test drive with a couple of different Teslas because I'm thinking about getting out of mine because my behemoth son is too tall to sit in the back seat now, and I need a car that they all fit in. So I'm either going to get the X with more legroom or the cyber truck. So another one of the examples of working well when on the app booked a demo gazillion different times, multiple locations, book demos, show up, car is there ready for me to go as soon as I walk. As soon as I park and walk up to it and then. And salesperson just logs me in and I drive off. It's. I mean, it could. It's so amazing.

[Unknown]

And the only human interaction is the salesperson logging you in.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I wouldn't even have to do that if I didn't want to. But I'm interested in buying these vehicles and nobody rides with me. You got a half hour to do whatever you want. You just go driving around, because if you put all your information in there, it's really, really cool. Anyway, on this particular one, he said, we can't find the key. It's. The key for a Tesla is like a credit card unless you have the app and we can't find the key. He said, I'll unlock it for you. You can go drive it around. Just don't get out or you'll be locked out. Okay. I don't need to get up. I get in the truck. Me and Henry are in the cyber truck. We're out driving around. I really love this thing. The stereo is awesome, but I'm driving around, but my seat's too far back and the steering wheel's too far up. So I pull over to adjust that stuff and it won't let me drive after that for some reason because I don't have the key and I didn't get out.

[Joe Getty]

You just, like put it in park.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, but.

[Unknown]

And you didn't turn the car off?

[Jack Armstrong]

No. Well, you don't really turn a Tesla on or off.

[Unknown]

I don't know how these things are.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's always on, basically. But anyway, that drain the battery. I pull over. I just. My string whenever I like that. And Then I can't put it back in drive again. And. And we're a long way from the dealership on Interstate 80 in the Bay Area, and I'm just pulled over to the side of the road, cars driving by, that sort of thing. And, And I think, okay, well. And I knew this is going to be a problem. I got to try to call the dealership. It is impossible. I have tried this before alongside the road with a flat tire or various things. It's impossible. And I tried for 20 minutes and I finally told Henry, I said, we're gonna get a. We're gonna get a lift. So I, I order a lift. You know, the Uber type company, only it's called Lyft. And he comes and picks me up alongside the road and they take me back to the Tesla dealership and they drop me off. And I said, your Cybertruck is about 10 miles that way along Isaiah to I80. You might want to go get it. And they looked all panicked and everything like that. I said, it's wouldn't let me drive. And I couldn't call anybody. I was so freaking mad. And I thought, have a GD receptionist. How much would that cost you? One human being that can answer the phone making minimum wage throughout the day, Elon. One freaking human being. But it's funny, the Uber driver who picked me up and this is what made me really think about it, is that Silicon Valley myopic view of the world. The Uber driver guy, I said, I told him what happened. He said, that's the way it is with this company. I said, it's fine. You can do everything through the app. You log in your hours and you pick up your car and blah, blah, blah, and you get paid and you're fun. But if you ever need to talk to anybody. Impossible. There are no human beings anywhere. And it's. So the Silicon Valley's got this view that we just flat don't need humans. You can do everything through the app. And I wish they'd recognize that we're not there yet. Maybe we will be someday with AI that can solve more complicated problems, but we're just not. And it makes me nuts. Makes me crazy.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah. Their. Their self regard, their belief that they can code their way to solve any problem confronting humanity.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's.

[Joe Getty]

It's hubris.

[Jack Armstrong]

There is, there is a. There is a hubris and we're smarter than the world thing going on with the Silicon Valley crowd. That scares me a bit.

[Joe Getty]

Combine that with the, is there a name for this? We've Talked about it through the years. You have somebody who already understands the system, use the system, and then they say, yep, consumers will be fine with this. You know, the guy like wrote the programming, is clicking around the website. Yep, this website's perfect. Then you, as somebody who has no idea what, you jump on the website and it's utterly unclear to you where to go. Where, where am I supposed to click? What's, what's. None of these menu items are like real world terminology for what I want to do. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that's a UI problem because I know somebody who used to do that for various companies in Silicon Valley. User interface. And there are people that, that's their job. But like the person I know who did that was such a brainiac computer nerd. I mean, they didn't, they didn't think about it the way normal people think. Sit down and look at an app, you know, it's always the drop down menu, which drop. Where's the drop down? Up there. You click on the this and you bring it. I, I would have never known that unless you showed me. I would have never figured that out.

[Unknown]

Yeah, you have, you have these companies that like assume they know the problems you're having. Like, I had this issue with DoorDash recently where something went wrong with the order example.

[Jack Armstrong]

Good luck trying to call DoorDash.

[Unknown]

Yeah. And you go on there and you click help. And then they have a series of options of what they think might have gone wrong. And you're like, it's none of these.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yep. Oh, that makes me insane. Here are the seven things that could have happened to you. No.

[Unknown]

And then they send you, they send you to the frequently asked question, did this help? No, it didn't help. Thank you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. God, we had a funny video we were all enjoying the other day of Larry David screaming at Siri in his car because he couldn't book a restaurant or something like that. But I have, I have actually done that many times when they, when that, when the nice computer voice lady says to you, are you satisfied with your experience? No, I'm not effing satisfied with my experience. You, it makes you so mad.

[Joe Getty]

You know, I got an example, but I don't, I find myself not even wanting to bring it up because I feel the text Austin flood over me. And that's some, you know, fairly complicated music recording software that I use. There's something, you know, I'm trying to figure out how to do. And if you even Google like, or search. Sorry, I don't Google anymore. They're Evil. If you do a search on this software, this problem, it'll take you to, like, a message board that has videos posted by anonymous yahoos, some of which are conceivably relevant to the problem, but most of which are not. And you'd have to watch every single one of them. And it's just. How do you not have some sort of, in essence, a searchable manual? Why do you not. Is that not cool these days? Better to have a forum of users who may or may not have any idea what they're effing talking about.

[Unknown]

Yeah, flooded with crap.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now, I suppose any of these Silicon Valley geniuses would say to me, there's a reason we're the seven most valuable companies in the world. We know what we're doing. Trust us. But God dang it. Oh, I just. I can't imagine you can't call a human being at the location. I mean, it's just. It's not physically possible. That's nuts.

[Unknown]

Isn't it exhausting.

[Joe Getty]

I think you went above and beyond the call of duty going back to the dealership and telling them what happened. Although, you know, you don't want to be. Have the. The red and blue lights in front of your house.

[Unknown]

Just take a lift home, Leave the.

[Joe Getty]

Car under arrest for grand theft auto. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, the car I drove was still at the dealership, so I had. Because I showed up at a car, so I had to go back to get my car. Otherwise, yeah, I would have just gone home. This is your problem. Sounds like a you problem to me.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Elon, have one of your many children man the switchboard, huh? Get a little child labor going. Why not?

[Unknown]

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[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know exactly what it is. It's Representative Hank Johnson, Democrat in Georgia, right?

[Joe Getty]

Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Have you listened to it already?

[Joe Getty]

I have. He introduces it himself.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, okay, cool. Well, let's just roll it then.

[Hank Johnson]

I hate to hurt your ears and everything, but I'm just learning to play guitar. And so I'm compelled with a new guitar and with some thoughts about that old song, hey, Joe, you know, to give some commentary on where we are now. And if y' all don't mind, I'm going to just strum a little bit.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hey, Trump.

[Hank Johnson]

Where you going with that gun in your hand?

[Jack Armstrong]

Hey, Trump.

[Hank Johnson]

Where you going with that gun in your hand?

[Jack Armstrong]

Had you considered tuning your guitar?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I was Going to say he missed the part of the lesson where you learned it. Tune the mfr.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay. Yeah. That's too bad. I have to tell my son that all the time. He's kind of trying to learn how to play guitars like you because, you know, if you don't know if you're completely new to music, you don't know it's in tune or not a tune, but you're not going to get anywhere if your instrument is completely out too. You'll get nowhere.

[Joe Getty]

So I like to get no satisfaction from it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I like the singing. I just tune the guitar. Okay. This other thing is Somehow the WNBA, the women's NBA, has turned into the men's NBA of the early 90s, when people would beat the crap out of each other. And it was just part of the sport. And there were certain things that I enjoyed about it and then certain things I didn't enjoy about it because it's a skill game. And sometimes it would eliminate the. The ability for people to enjoy their skills. But this is one of Caitlin Clark's teammates who has decided she's the enforcer on her on the team, trying to protect their star player. We're talking about this last week when Caitlin Clark got beat around pretty good. And I was saying, you gotta. You can't do that. It's like whether it's Michael Jordan or Wayne Gretzky, if. If your star players getting pushed around, you gotta go beat the hell out of those people and say, no, you don't get to touch our star. It's. It's happened in a bunch of different sports. Anyway, so this is the girl that's taken on that duty, and I. You're not going to be able to see the videos, obviously, listening to this, but underneath her commentary, or videos for, like, girl coming down the lane and she puts them in a full headlock and takes them to the floor, bashing their head into the floor. I mean, it's pretty violent. She's also very attractive, which is an interesting thing to fit in with this whole story. But here she is.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Hello, everyone. I'm Sophie Cunningham. I don't start trouble, but I'm never afraid of it. You can provoke anyone, but there's one person you don't touch. Caitlin Clark. Even if it comes to a fight. I'm not worried about anyone pulling my hair. Why? Because I know they don't dare and they don't have what it takes. You all saw that game. The sun were pulling cheap tricks all night to slow Caitlyn's rhythm. Especially JC Sheldon with two blatant slaps to the face. And the refs, they just stood there like statues. You think I'd let that slide? When I took Sheldon down, some called me impulsive. Some said I pulled her hair. But have you ever thought about why I acted without hesitation yet wasn't afraid of her fighting back? First, I'm a black belt in karate, trained in combat since I was a kid and I played college football. You want to come at me, go ahead, but you better check with your bones first. Second, I made a promise to my entire team and even the whole league. As long as Caitlin's on the court.

[Unknown]

I've got her back.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Third, I know my limits. I'm not just fighting. I use precise grappling techniques to lock an opponent arm, leaving them no chance to escalate. I'm not here to punish anyone. I'm here to send a message to the entire league. Caitlyn isn't fighting alone. She's got me behind her.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you want to come at me, check with your bones first.

[Joe Getty]

Jeez, that's a pretty good line.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is a pretty good line.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know why everything has to have background music these days, but that was, that was a fine screed. That was an oddly like, well composed. It was an essay.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, also, she's got that thing that people who are really okay with fighting have where they're very calm about it. Yes, it is not for whatever reason and I've known people that are likes to fight guy or likes to fight woman. They, it, it's, it affects them differently than it affects normal people. It's just a thing. Oh, we're gonna fight now. Okay, let's go. Where's. The rest of us are like, holy crap, this is the biggest moment of my life. They're just, okay, I guess it's fighting time. She's one of those people. And I did the WNBA see this coming a couple of years ago that they were going to become the 90s NBA. It's all about, oh boy, there'll be lots of fighting tonight. Let's tune in. The ratings are getting big for anytime two teams play that have a, you know, you know they're going to fight like it's, you know, pistons, Celtics of 1990 or something.

[Joe Getty]

I'm just, I can't be the only one who's completely struck by the nature of her, her speech there. I mean, because I'm familiar with the 80s 90s NBA. I was a huge fan at the time and, and, and a Guy would say something like, he wants to start some trouble, I'm gonna end it. You. You come up against me and mj, you're gonna know what time it is. Right. She was like, I am trained in a variety of martial arts. I have a black belt certification. I've been involved in grappling since I was a young kid. And certainly I will use grappling techniques to neutralize their arms and pin them against them and avoid any sor. Escalation if it comes time to perpetrate acts of violence. It's oddly clinical.

[Jack Armstrong]

Except for that one line. Check with your bones.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, that was the best part.

[Unknown]

You know, we kind of downplayed how hot this chick is.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I hadn't seen her.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know her.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, she's like.

[Unknown]

I mean, she's Runway model material.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Getty]

So give me the name again.

[Unknown]

Sophie Cunningham.

[Jack Armstrong]

Craig sent it to us yesterday. He's the one that. Where I got this clip.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

From our. From our text. Yeah, yeah. So that's an interesting aspect of the whole thing. Also, I don't. I don't know if this is. Is this going to end up being like the bread and butter for the WNBA where they just everybody figures out, boy, if you want to put butts in the seats and have big ratings, we got to have a couple of fights. Like it's.

[Joe Getty]

Holy cow, cutie. Yeah, you want to. You want any grappling practice?

[Jack Armstrong]

Like it's roller derby or hockey or something? Just people are here for fights. We got to have some fights.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I'll put up a fight for a little while and then you can just, you know, whatever you want.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ask your bones first.

[Joe Getty]

My bones are fine with it. Trust me.

[Jack Armstrong]

They're enthused.

[Unknown]

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[Joe Getty]

We'Re talking about the 14th Amendment and the question of birthright citizenship, which is a hot conversational topic these days and actually really interesting. And I mentioned that the 14th amendment is actually five paragraphs long and it would take a long time to read to you. The first part is about all persons born are naturalized, yada yada yada. The birthright thing. Second part is representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, blah blah blah.

[Jack Armstrong]

But the next part about streaming contracts, which is really weird, right?

[Joe Getty]

Exactly. Yep. You got to be able to cancel them. Third one's about senators and Congress, people who may or may not have been involved in an insurrection or rebellion. You remember that one came up after January 6th and a couple more paragraphs. Nobody knows. But I was looking at the amendments and it would appear that in a close race, the shortest Amendment is the 8th Amendment. Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual.

[Jack Armstrong]

Punishments inflicted, cruel or unusual.

[Joe Getty]

Cruel and on you.

[Jack Armstrong]

And unusual.

[Joe Getty]

Right. And you know my theory, they can be one or the other cruel and unusual. Right. If it's merely cruel, but you do it a lot, that's fine. And if you know, a beating from a clown is certainly unusual, but it's no more cruel than any other sort of beating. Fair game clown beatings would be approved in the court of Joe Getty's Justice.

[Jack Armstrong]

So you run somebody over with a car. People get hit by cars all the time. There's nothing unusual about that.

[Joe Getty]

Now it's cruel, unspeakably cruel, but not unusual. I think we're missing a loophole here, folks, but I think everybody knows the The. My God, I almost said one of the stupidest thing as things I've ever said. I think everybody knows what's in the Bill of Rights. No, obviously most people don't. You should, but you don't, which is why you end up quartering troops, you jackasses. Study history.

[Jack Armstrong]

I just learned the other day James. James Madison was really against a Bill of Rights. Really thought it was a terrible, terrible idea. But then when the vote went against him, he, like we should do more often now, decided, okay, well, that's been decided. Now I'm going to argue what they ought to be because it's going to happen, even though I didn't want it to happen in the first place.

[Joe Getty]

And indeed he brought it to the floor of the House immediately because he said he would.

[Jack Armstrong]

The reason he didn't like the Bill of Rights is he is afraid that now that makes it seem like Outside of these 10 things, everything else the government can do, that was his concern.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah. I think history is proof that he was wrong. Isn't he a real statesman and. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've never seen a smaller founding father. Oh, boy.

[Joe Getty]

Not a long hitter. James Madison. So everybody knows. Freedom of religion, press, expression. The first right to bear arms. Quartering of soldiers. That's the third.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't have to quarter soldiers. Oh, man. When I get home, I got some news for those guys. Get out of my house.

[Joe Getty]

Can I get my stuff at least? I'll ship it to you. Search and seizure, trial and punishment, compensation for takings. That's the fifth Amendment. Everybody knows the part about how you don't have to testify against yourself, but that's actually one of many things mentioned in the fifth Amendment.

[Jack Armstrong]

I didn't know that I should read that over.

[Joe Getty]

I'd forgotten it. It's one of those things. I had to memorize it at one point. But here's the entirety of the fifth Amendment. I thought this was interesting. No person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger. Nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb. Double jeopardy straight out of the fifth Amendment. Nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's the. That's the wheel of fortune after the jeopardy portion. It's the wheel of fortune portion.

[Joe Getty]

Correct. Nor be deprived of life Liberty or property without due process of law. That's where that very famous phrase let comes from. Due process. Nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation, which we. There's a lot to the Fifth Amendment.

[Jack Armstrong]

We aren't always good at. Where's the thing where you can't testify against your husband or wife or you don't have to. Is that in the Bill of Rights?

[Joe Getty]

No.

[Jack Armstrong]

Somewhere.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's just in. In case law. I don't. I wish I knew.

[Jack Armstrong]

But why can't you testify against your husband or wife? No, there are no other relationships like that. You can testify. Oh, you can, you can, but you can't be required. But how come you.

[Joe Getty]

In some situations.

[Jack Armstrong]

But you can be required to testify against your kids or your kids against you, but not husband and wife.

[Joe Getty]

What is that? She's talking to my law student daughter about this the other day, and I don't remember exactly because there's you and.

[Jack Armstrong]

Judy's big Ponzi scheme and you're worried about.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah. I tell you what, the second the cops are here, I go states. She was running it. She made me do it right under the bus. Enjoy, honey. Hope you're comfortable under there. Oh, let's see. So I think the longest of the amendments I can find is probably the 12th about choosing the president. Vice president. They had to clarify how that was going to work. But man, they get long. The 14th is long. Five paragraphs long. Liquor abolished.

[Jack Armstrong]

Bastards. What number is that? You suck.

[Joe Getty]

That's the 18th.

[Jack Armstrong]

And did you say it is long or is it short? No more booze. Party's over. Jackasses. That's what that one's called.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, it's. It's long and boring, just like a world without alcohol. There are three shortish paragraphs.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then how soon after that one is the one that says, party's back on the 21st?

[Joe Getty]

God bless it? Actually, the. The 18th was ratified in 1919 and it was repealed in 1933.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. I always forget how long that period was.

[Joe Getty]

Of no favorite. Some of my favorite writings by H.L. mencken were written during prohibition when he would describe how Congress people and senators, Washington, D.C. you could get a drink practically as easy as you can right now. It was everywhere. Because the senators were never going to hold themselves to the same standards. They were just doing it because it was politically popular. It was a popular movement among women when women first got the right to vote because so many of their husbands would come home hammered drunk and either be useless or violent or have Spent all the money at the bar.

[Jack Armstrong]

Your people, Katie, took away our party.

[Unknown]

Yeah, because of what your people put us through every day by being drunk a holes.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, well, if your people weren't all day long, maybe I wouldn't need a drink.

[Unknown]

Well, if you would do some things around the house, maybe we wouldn't all the time.

[Joe Getty]

Oh my God. Give me a debottle. Where's the bottle? I think that was lightning.

[Jack Armstrong]

Boardwalk Empire. If you never watched that series with Steve Buscemi. Really great portrayal of the those years.

[Joe Getty]

19Th amendment. Women's suffrage was ratified in 1920.

[Jack Armstrong]

Man need a do over on that one.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. So again, women's voting and prohibition came up at the same time. Although admittedly liquor was abolished just before the year before women got the right to vote.

[Unknown]

One of my favorite places near the radio ranch in San Francisco was an old prohibition bar. And the owner took us down into their. Their storage room one day. And all of the old tunnel doors were all welded shut because they used to move alcohol underneath San Francisco in this tunnel system. But it was really cool.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. One of my favorite liquor stores was named 22nd Amendment Liquors. Which I always. I'm sorry not to 21st Amendment. Yeah, yeah. 22nd is presidential term limits. That'd just be a weird name.

[Jack Armstrong]

Went to a bar named after term limits.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, by the way, ladies, keep in mind 19th amendment. We gave you the right, we can take it away anyway.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, it's on a as needed basis.

[Joe Getty]

Let's see. Name the last amendment. I'll tell you that it's the 27th. Does anybody remember what it is limiting congressional pay increases? Ratified in 1992.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

Essentially you don't get a raise until another round of elections is held. You can vote one in. But you don't get it.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, our friend Tim thinks there should be more amendments. That we've made it two different difficult. It seemed like. Acted like it's just too big a crazy a deal to ever talk about amendments.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I would agree. I mean you spend 250 years doing something, you ought to get better at it. Figure out. Oh, we forgot this. I would like to see some stuff clarified. Like the 14th amendment.

[Jack Armstrong]

The.

[Joe Getty]

The birthright, citizenship. All I want is added on if the parents have legal status in the United States. You can't just sneak in.

[Jack Armstrong]

All I know. I'm glad you read that. When I get home, there are some soldiers sleeping soundly in my bed who are gonna not gonna be happy to hear what I now know. I will quarter you no longer Jebediah.

[Unknown]

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[Jack Armstrong]

321 See you. The last words of a British daredevil as he attempted to base jump off a 29 story building in Thailand. His chute did not open. He went splat on the cement and he is no more. So my question was, and I think this is an interesting one, do human beings have a limited amount of empathy? Individual human beings? Because when I I hear a story like that I have no feeling whatsoever like of sadness or you're dead inside. Because I feel like I've only got so much empathy and I'm going to save it for those soldiers that died sleeping in their barracks in Jordan the other day and their families and you know A million other examples you come across every single day in the news or maybe even your own personal life, but somebody who decides to be a daredevil, and the whole point of being a daredevil is sometimes it doesn't work. Otherwise. You're not a daredevil. You're. I mean, it's as similar to sitting in an office chair every day. I mean, if there's no risk, there's no excitement to it, and if it now and then, it doesn't go right, I just. I feel nothing for that person.

[Joe Getty]

So it's a death defying stunt. And death said, you know, today I win.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or would you say, look, there's no limit on empathy. You can be empathetic toward the, you know, the parents of the child who was abducted or those people who died in Jordan and this guy who got squashed because he has people who love him also. Which is it, Katie?

[Unknown]

Why are you putting me on the spot?

[Jack Armstrong]

To make you uncomfortable.

[Unknown]

Very good.

[Joe Getty]

I think.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know.

[Unknown]

I.

[Joe Getty]

Well, what do you feel when you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Heard the guy died?

[Unknown]

Well, no part of me is with you. I'm like, okay, well, if he hadn't jumped off the building, you wouldn't be dead.

[Jack Armstrong]

Correct.

[Unknown]

Right. So obviously my heart goes out more to those people where it's an uncontrollable situation. But then again, of course, I think about this guy's family, too, and I kind of, you know. That sucks.

[Joe Getty]

Well, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I don't. I don't have a lot of empathy for him. I don't have antipathy, though. I'm not like. No, I show this to the guy and think that's what you get.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, no, no, I don't have that at all. I just got nothing. I have no feeling whatsoever for it. Huh. Sometimes it doesn't work. Didn't work this time.

[Joe Getty]

He struck a bargain he was comfortable with. He had a life I'll bet he enjoyed very much. And an ever present possibility came true. Fair deal. Yeah.

[Unknown]

I think it's a big scale of people's emotions too, because, I mean, there'll be so many times where I'll see a video and somebody will be like, oh, I'm crying. Why is. There we go. My phone won't silence. So there we go. Sorry about that. Or somebody will be like, oh, I'm watching this and I'm crying and I'm going, why? Why are you. What is. What about this is making you cry? It'll be some heart touching thing. But I don't know, I think it's a different range and emotion for people. Somebody might see that in reaction.

[Joe Getty]

Maybe you're dead inside, just like Jack. I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that's right.

[Joe Getty]

More likely I was trying to figure.

[Jack Armstrong]

Out if I'm a bad person. But as Joe always says, there are people, plenty of examples of why you're a bad person. You don't need to look to this one again.

[Joe Getty]

We could hold another staff vote if you'd like, but I'd like to be.

[Jack Armstrong]

In on that vote. Another staff vote.

[Unknown]

Everyone say I I.

[Joe Getty]

Any opposed? Right. No, I think that's fine. I admire a guy like that on one level, but no, I'm not going to pretend to be heartbroken. He lived an exciting, wild life. Short. Short, as it turns out.

[Unknown]

Was he married?

[Jack Armstrong]

It doesn't say. I doubt it. He was like in his. I think he's 29 or something.

[Unknown]

I was just gonna say that would be. That's. I. I dated a daredevil who used to love to do things that would end up in injury. And it was the most frustrating relationship I've ever been in.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I'll bet. I don't know. So, anyway, so you've got that. Do you feel anything for that? And then this one came across this yesterday. I'll just tell you that our friend Tim Sandifer online responded to this with I guess I must be dead inside then, a phrase that several of us have already used about this story. Here's what it was. Somebody tweeted out the picture of Travis Kelsey kissing Taylor Swift when they met on the football field after the game. And he said, hey, sweetie. And she walks up and kisses him. And I thought it was cute. But anyway, here is the tweet. I love this photo because it invokes primal reactions in people. They are the couple everyone wishes they were in high school. They represent the summon of popularity and success. Those who fall short this ideal cannot help but feel the sting of envy. A mirror into your soul. And Tim said, I must feel dead inside then, because I feel nothing about this. I thought it was cute. I thought, oh, two young people in love, we should leave them alone. When I saw it.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, okay. I'm trying to process that. Okay, so I in. In Syria, I reacted to badly to it because I'm jealous of them from my high school inadequacy. Am I following that?

[Jack Armstrong]

No, he's saying you, you, you like it because they portray what you wanted. You wanted to be. See, I don't know if I buy this or not. Although I think you're lying if you didn't. If you, if you say I didn't want to be the high school football star or homecoming queen or in love or popular.

[Joe Getty]

Really.

[Jack Armstrong]

I mean, I don't know. I mean, I was not envious of those people. Like, I didn'. Walk around envious. But I'd be lying, wouldn't I, if I said I. I really don't want.

[Unknown]

To be that nice, legitimately wanted nothing to do with that in high school.

[Joe Getty]

To hear that.

[Jack Armstrong]

I, I did too. But I think it was, it was some sort of protection mechanism for my psyche or something. It seems weird to like, you don't want to be popular or attractive and in love. Who doesn't want to be popular, attractive and in love?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I'm just. And I don't want to be rejects premise out of hand guy, because I haven't thought about this. I just. I don't know, maybe it's because I'm soft and thoughtful and have the heart of a poet. What?

[Jack Armstrong]

But.

[Joe Getty]

When I see Michael, Michael says, what? I'll come in there and slap you silly if you don't admit I have the heart of a poet, Michael. But if I see like an old couple holding hands and I think that's really sweet, it's simple. They love each other.

[Jack Armstrong]

You secretly want to be elderly.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I just, I don't know if I buy it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't buy any of it either.

[Unknown]

I get way more of a reaction out of an elderly couple than a younger couple.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, a couple of young hot people are in love.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't.

[Joe Getty]

Again, I don't have antipathy for them. I'm not mad at them for that, but I don't particularly. You two hotties go off to get a room.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, so I guess I got both going at the same time in that. Like when they, when they put the camera on Taylor and she's jumping up and down and hugging Patrick Holmes wife. I think, okay, you're young, you're beautiful, you're unbelievably rich and famous. Of course you're happy. I mean, it just, it disgusts me on many levels. But on the other hand, to say I don't want to be young, rich, attractive and admired would be. Who am I trying to kid? Of course everybody wants that, don't they? I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

I guess I, I'm just questioning whether that was any part of my reaction to the two of them smooching at midfield. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

If that has anything to do with the other, I agree I don't think.

[Unknown]

It was that deep.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I wish I were that deep. I just thought, oh, that's cute. I love love. I'm pro love. I hope those two kids are happy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, so you're okay with not having much of a reaction to a guy going splat on the pavement if it was his choice? And not much of a reaction to the people kissing at the 50 yard line?

[Joe Getty]

Okay, Correct. I'm not dead inside. I'm just mostly numb. It's like two hours after a dental appointment.

[Jack Armstrong]

My lips sagging and I'm getting spit all over my chin. But I can feel a little bit.

[Unknown]

Yeah, still can't drink out of a straw.

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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