The A&G Replay Friday Hour Two

Summary

Podcast Summary: Armstrong & Getty On Demand - "The A&G Replay Friday Hour Two"

Release Date: January 7, 2025
Host: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty via iHeartPodcasts
Episode: The A&G Replay Friday Hour Two

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1. Health Conversations and Personal Experiences [00:35 – 02:22]

The episode kicks off with a heartfelt discussion about personal health struggles and the broader challenges within the healthcare system. Katie shares her battle with type 2 diabetes, highlighting her determination to manage the condition through lifestyle changes rather than relying solely on medication.

Katie:
"They wanted to give me a bunch of drugs. And I said, I will change my diet, I will exercise. I've been doing all these things... you gotta be on these drugs for life. And I've been able to do it without it pretty much."
[00:43 – 02:22]

Jack Armstrong reflects on Katie's experience, pointing out the systemic issues where doctors may prioritize prescribing medications over advocating for dietary and lifestyle modifications. He underscores the financial incentives that may drive this behavior, insinuating a link between pharmaceutical companies and medical recommendations.

Jack Armstrong:
"There’s gotta be some incentive somewhere along the line to have you taking drugs as opposed to eating better. People make money if you don't eat better."
[02:03 – 02:22]

2. The Pressures on Medical Professionals [02:22 – 03:50]

Michael delves into the immense pressure doctors face, discussing how the demand to see numerous patients daily can lead to rushed consultations and a reliance on pharmaceuticals. He shares anecdotes about pharmaceutical reps and the aggressive marketing tactics employed to influence medical professionals.

Michael:
"They are just pushed and pushed and pushed by their corporate overlords... they’ll have a four-day conference on how Zunetra can help your patients."
[02:26 – 02:48]

Jack adds a personal touch by recounting his experiences with pharmaceutical reps, illustrating the pervasive nature of drug promotion in everyday life.

Jack Armstrong:
"I used to be friends with somebody who was a pharmaceutical rep... they’d get paid for anyway, she’d say, hey, I got two extra seats."
[02:48 – 03:27]

3. Dental Care Disasters [04:50 – 08:07]

The conversation shifts to dental experiences, with Katie recounting a traumatic visit to the dentist where she was treated roughly by a new hygienist. Her description paints a vivid picture of discomfort and frustration.

Katie:
"I show up at the dentist yesterday, and it turns out she's not there... I'm still tasting blood today from them scraping my gums."
[05:03 – 06:08]

Michael empathizes, linking the incident to broader issues of patient care and professional conduct in healthcare settings. The hosts debate the worthiness of reporting such experiences, balancing personal discomfort against the need for accountability.

Michael:
"It was really painful. 100%."
[06:37 – 07:15]

4. Tiffany’s Viral Plane Meltdown and Apology [10:50 – 15:59]

A significant portion of the episode examines a viral incident involving a woman named Tiffany who caused a scene on a plane, claiming that "back there is not real." The hosts analyze the event’s impact on social media and public perception, highlighting Tiffany's subsequent apology and the consequences she faced.

Tiffany (Apologizing):
"I want to apologize to everyone on that plane, especially those that had children aboard... I hope that we can use this experience and do a little bit of good in the world."
[12:31 – 15:59]

Jack and Michael discuss the psychological aspects of such behavior, probing whether Tiffany's actions were influenced by substances or other factors. They also ponder the invasive nature of internet fame and the lasting repercussions of viral moments.

Jack Armstrong:
"She's lucky she did this in 2023 and not in, like, 2012 where she would have been duct-taped to the cargo hold of the plane..."
[15:36 – 16:12]

5. The Stalker-like Book Club Date Story [18:40 – 22:37]

The podcast narrates a caller's unsettling story about a woman who obsessively pursued a man she admired from a grocery store. Her methods included extensive online sleuthing and infiltrating his social circles, culminating in an arranged date through his mother’s book club membership.

Caller:
"I saw your credit card at the store... I went through his friends list, and I found his mother's page... she gave me my number, which she gave to her son... we're gonna go on a date."
[18:08 – 22:37]

The hosts discuss the fine line between genuine interest and obsessive behavior, debating the ethical and safety implications of such actions. They humorously but critically suggest extreme scenarios to highlight the inappropriateness of the woman's actions.

Michael:
"That's insane."
[19:45 – 20:14]

Jack Armstrong:
"What changed...? We just way more paranoid than we."
[25:26 – 25:35]

6. Eighth Grade Graduation and Social Pressures [28:28 – 35:33]

The discussion transitions to the cultural significance of eighth-grade graduations, exploring differing viewpoints on whether such ceremonies are meaningful or simply unnecessary.

Caller:
"My mom has a picture of my kindergarten graduation... she had to buy a robe."
[29:53 – 30:11]

Jack shares personal reflections on his son's upcoming graduation, emphasizing the emotional weight and societal expectations placed on young students during these rites of passage.

Jack Armstrong:
"He says the other day, I sure hope there's chairs because I plan to sit."
[31:12 – 31:20]

The hosts humorously contrast the intensity of these ceremonies for children with their own experiences, highlighting generational differences in perceiving social events.

7. Modern Social Skills and the Digital Age [21:37 – 25:35]

The conversation broadens to address the erosion of traditional social skills in the digital era. Katie and Michael lament the decline in face-to-face interactions, attributing it to the pervasive influence of smartphones and the internet.

Katie:
"People aren't brave anymore. They don't want to just go and ask something, ask one out right in person."
[25:17 – 25:35]

Jack reminisces about the days when personal interactions were more straightforward, contrasting them with today's hyper-connected yet socially fragmented society.

Jack Armstrong:
"What changed? The reality of stalkers or our paranoia?"
[25:26 – 25:35]

8. Conclusion and Final Thoughts [35:33 – End]

As the episode wraps up, the hosts touch upon various lighter topics, including counterfeit goods and their prevalence in online marketplaces. They also share personal anecdotes related to teenage years and the ongoing evolution of social norms.

Michael:
"I think you may be admitting to a federal offense harboring a known importer of counterfeit goods."
[35:17 – 35:28]

Jack Armstrong:
"We had to do kindergarten graduation... but I don’t think there was no robe involved."
[30:11 – 30:17]

The episode concludes with a blend of humor and introspection, encouraging listeners to reflect on societal changes while maintaining a light-hearted atmosphere.

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Notable Quotes:

• Katie:
  "They want to pump me full of... I will change my diet, I will exercise."
  [00:43 – 02:22]

• Jack Armstrong:
  "There’s gotta be some incentive somewhere along the line to have you taking drugs as opposed to eating better."
  [02:03 – 02:22]

• Michael:
  "They’re just pushed and pushed and pushed by their corporate overlords."
  [02:26 – 02:48]

• Tiffany (Apologizing):
  "I want to apologize to everyone on that plane, especially those that had children aboard."
  [12:31 – 15:59]

• Katie:
  "People aren't brave anymore. They don't want to just go and ask something, ask one out right in person."
  [25:17 – 25:35]

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This episode of "Armstrong & Getty On Demand" offers a rich tapestry of personal narratives, societal critiques, and humorous anecdotes. From healthcare frustrations and dental nightmares to viral social media moments and reflections on modern social dynamics, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty engage listeners with insightful commentary and relatable discussions. Whether dissecting the complexities of patient-doctor relationships or navigating the treacherous waters of social interactions in the digital age, the hosts provide a captivating blend of humor and wisdom, making the podcast a valuable listen for both regular followers and new audiences alike.

Transcript

[Jack Armstrong]

Foreign.

[Joe Getty]

From the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Michael]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Yeti.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hey, we're Armstrong and Yeti. We're featuring our podcast, One More Thing. Find it wherever you find all your podcasts.

[Michael]

Drama in real life.

[Jack Armstrong]

What was the last time you took over the One More Thing podcast? What was that one about? Was that your health?

[Katie]

Yeah, it was type 2 diabetes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. That was an interesting story. Unfortunate for you, obviously, but interesting. How is that going by?

[Katie]

That's going very well, actually. Now I have a funny story about that. They want to pump me full of. They wanted to give me a bunch of drugs. And I said, I will change my diet, I will exercise. I've been doing all these things. And one doctor said, no, no, no, no.

[Jack Armstrong]

You.

[Katie]

You gotta be on these drugs for life. And I've been able to do it without it pretty much. And so I'm not going back to that doctor.

[Jack Armstrong]

Two interesting things about that. One, I think the doctor's recognizing reality that, like, 95% of people don't do anything about their diet. But two, the fact that they would push the drugs on you rather than, like, really push the diet part.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Michael]

I was just reading about the incredible pressure that is on doctors now to see 37 patients in a single day. And they are just pushed and pushed and pushed by their corporate overlords. And so this doc. I don't know, your doc, Michael, and I'm just guessing, but it could be he's thinking, I don't have time for the. You got to take care of yourself, and here's how lecture. And then when you hem and haw, say, all right, here's the other alternative. Blah, blah, blah, or, why don't you come back and see me in a week? Because you can't get an appointment for three and a half months. So he just thinks. Thinks, let's cut to the chase. Take these pills. Get. Now get. I gotta go see 36 more patients.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, there's that. And then, not to be the conspiracy guy, but, I mean, if you prescribe medicine, somebody's paying for it and somebody's receiving money. So there's gotta be some incentive, some. It might not be the doctor, but there's gotta be a. An incentive somewhere along the line to have you taking drugs as opposed to eating better. Right. I mean, people make money if you don't eat better.

[Katie]

I was told that they have medical reps come by all the time.

[Michael]

Oh, yeah.

[Katie]

Promoting drugs. Yeah.

[Michael]

Well, And Big Pharma, allegedly, and I don't know whether this motivates people a little or a lot, will have a four day conference on how Zunetra can help your patients. It's in Maui, it's at the Four seasons. There's a 25 minute meeting each morning where you talk about Zunetra. Then you're free for the rest of the day, expenses paid.

[Jack Armstrong]

I, well, I, yeah, I haven't talked about this in years, but I used to be friends with somebody who was a pharmaceutical rep and just lived two houses down for me. And so she would book these really expensive dinners at the most expensive place in town. But if they didn't have all the seats filled, they were gonna get paid for anyway, she'd say, hey, I got two extra seats. So we would go and eat the meals and hang around and sometimes I'd have to like kind of pretend I was a doctor or something like that. If somebody asked me a question, but they were getting wind and dined at the most expensive place in town with an open bar and everything like that to tell them about some drug and there'd be a five minute slideshow about the drugs and then you get like 300 meal for free.

[Michael]

Oh, I'd make hay with that opportunity, man. I turn to my left and say, what do you prefer, viruses or bacteria?

[Caller]

Oh my God. To be at the same table with you two pretending to be doctors.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my God. I know. I was always dreading if somebody actually asked me if fractures. There's something, aren't they? I don't know what I would say.

[Michael]

Oh, I tell you what. Yeah, you hate to see it, but.

[Jack Armstrong]

You gotta deal with it.

[Michael]

Am I wrong?

[Jack Armstrong]

So I told him, don't do that. Anyway, let's wait for the steak to show up. Oh, the other thing there, I knew there were, there were actually, there was another thing now I've forgotten and I'm Joe Biden. Like, man, I do notice when I don't get enough sleep that I can't remember near as well my lessons. My sentences end in the middle and I can't finish, can't remember the end. The, oh, the direct relationship between eating better and your, your body changing or getting better numbers. Even though that's obviously clearly true, I'm always still somewhat surprised. Like, I eat really good and look, I'm a couple of pounds lighter or the opposite. I eat really bad and I'm a couple of pounds heavier. It's just, even though I know it's true, to see it like in Black and white in front of me is always just a little something.

[Michael]

Yeah, it's like the old, I feel better after a drink or two the next morning than I did after the night I had seven. I'll be damned. I've only learned that lesson five million times. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, what's your tale today, Michael?

[Katie]

Okay, so here we go. Yesterday, I had to get my teeth cleaned, and I have a very good dental hygienist who I've had for years. She's really gentle. She does teeth well. She doesn't. No hurt, no pain.

[Michael]

Nice.

[Katie]

So I show up at the dentist yesterday, and it turns out she's not there. And I didn't know this. She goes, we have somebody else, though, that'll take you. And so I get this person, and let me put it this way, I'm still tasting blood today from them scraping my gums.

[Michael]

Brunhilda, the cruel.

[Jack Armstrong]

Nobody in this scenario speaks English. And it was in a garage in Rio Linda, correct?

[Katie]

No, no, no.

[Jack Armstrong]

Actual dental practice.

[Katie]

Actual dental practice. Good place. But I don't know if this was a new employee or what the deal was, but she was really rough. You know, you put the tube in to suck the water out, and she was just jamming it down there.

[Listener]

Oh, wow.

[Caller]

I'm having a physical reaction.

[Katie]

This was crazy.

[Jack Armstrong]

When did she leave Hamas?

[Katie]

I don't know. And then I guess she got behind on her schedule, and so the doctor had come to her and said. Said, you know, is he almost done? She goes, well, it's going to be a few minutes. Just a few minutes. And then all of a sudden, she starts putting the polish on my teeth and rubbing as fast as she can, starts. Grabs the water and just starts squirting my mouth, you know, just. It's just crazy.

[Michael]

So. Wow, that's terrible.

[Jack Armstrong]

So you like a car wash?

[Katie]

Yeah, literally.

[Michael]

So just we're running out of time. So you picked up the poker and you stabbed her with it. And you wonder, were you in the.

[Katie]

Right Somebody that doesn't like conflict? So I just held on for dear life, and I just put with it, and I'm fine, but I'm debating, do I call them and let them know, hey, this person was really rough? This is terrible, because I got to go back there in a few months.

[Michael]

And it was really painful. 100%.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, yeah. Two questions. The first one I've had before where it's like, the last person's better at this, but I don't want to make another appointment. I need to get this done now. And so it's not just conflict avoidance. Like the reality of trying to get the person you like better. So that's. That's one thing. But then the complain, hell, yes, I'm complaining.

[Katie]

You know, it was funny. Is during the whole procedure, though, she goes, I know she's just laying there, she goes, I take that as a compliment. It means that I'm not hurting you. And I'm thinking, is this a common thing? Are people saying to her, hey, you're.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hurting me, so if you don't scream, she thinks everything's going fine?

[Katie]

Yes.

[Michael]

That's a really weird thing she said. That's so odd.

[Caller]

I would definitely call Michael and maybe just say something along the lines of, could I not be with this individual next time? Because that was a little uncomfortable.

[Michael]

Yeah. But I would go as ahead and say why it was extremely uncomfortable. It was the most painful cleaning I've ever had say that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that's. That's perfectly reasonable to say. It's like when I used to talk about my man Pong, the phlebotomist who would draw blood for me. I would always call and see if Pong was there because he could do it where you didn't feel a thing thing. And I love Pong, but he quit. And. And other people darn as good. But I've never had anybody like jab me in the side of the year with the needle and say, sorry about that.

[Katie]

I just don't want her to look at me next time I go and say, oh, you're the one that called. You're the one that got me in trouble. Or something like that.

[Jack Armstrong]

I knew my brother.

[Michael]

Don't think it would go like that.

[Jack Armstrong]

I told the story years ago when my brother went into the hospital is here and here in. In the local area. And man, the president of the hospital ended up meeting me in the parking lot after I told this story on the air. They were so worried. But anyway, they were trying to put an IV in my brother, and the guy just kept having to do it over and over and over again and jab him over and over again. And my brother's incredibly stoic as a military dude and all that sort of stuff. It's part of his whole personality that he would never ever act like anything hurt under any circumstance. But they really guy was. And the guy actually says to him, I'm sorry, man. I was at the casinos really late last night and just kept Jack. Oh, wow. And I was like, dude, you gotta tell someone now. Yeah.

[Caller]

The only time I've ever Had someone miss. I know.

[Michael]

Oh, we're into this.

[Caller]

Oh, yeah. When they.

[Michael]

When they good for you.

[Caller]

Oh, yeah. She missed three times. And I went three strikes and you're out. You're done. I'm not doing this again. And I walked out, made another appointment. This was before it took eight months to get your blood drawn, though.

[Jack Armstrong]

But yeah.

[Michael]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Michael]

It's interesting because getting back to the whole. Doctors more than dentists. But it's just in my lifetime, the whole doctor patient relationship has evolved from. I know you for years and years. You're like my partner in health. There's a great deal of respect for you. There's concern for me. Now it's more like getting a burger out of a fast food joint to some extent. I've got a great doc right now.

[Jack Armstrong]

I do, too.

[Michael]

I've had a couple that were terrible, that were just. They. Well, it was like eating a burger from a fast food joint. So I don't. You know, Michael, I would. I would remember, you're a customer who's paying a great deal for a service, and there are other service providers, and dentists are skilled people, and they're caring and the rest of it, but they're not. They're not gods. They're not priests.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't think this would be a bad way to handle it. You say, this is a deal I make with everybody. Whatever you do to me, I'm gonna do to you. So just keep that in mind.

[Katie]

Yeah, that's an idea.

[Jack Armstrong]

I brought my tools. And so, you know, you might want to think that over, you show up.

[Caller]

With your own tool.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's right.

[Michael]

You do what you do and you say, I'm gonna give as much pain as I get. So let's get started.

[Jack Armstrong]

If it's painful to you. Yeah, exactly.

[Michael]

It's your move.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ball is in your court. If I feel nothing, you feel nothing.

[Katie]

That's what I'll do. I'll walk up to the receptionist, scrape her teeth a little bit and say, does that hurt? Well, guess what? That's what to me.

[Caller]

Pull out your hose, spray her with it.

[Michael]

Right in the face.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Michael]

How do you like it, huh?

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, hold still, lady. You're gonna feel a little pressure.

[Joe Getty]

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[Michael]

So maybe you became aware of this meme, this clip that went viral as they do. I'm gonna start saying that just to annoy people. The clip went viral. Let's start with the number six. This is the lady standing next to the partition in the plane. Looking back toward the. The back section of the plane, chewing somebody out.

[Tiffany]

I'm telling you, I'm getting the off, and there's a reason why I'm getting off. And everyone can either believe it or they cannot believe it, but I am telling you right now that back there is not real. And you can sit on this plane and you can dive in them or not. I'm not going to.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's been a while now, and I just saw a little bit of it, and there was something about the pitch of her voice. I just thought, I'm out. So I haven't paid any attention to it.

[Michael]

Attractive white girl pointing to the back of the plane, saying, this MFer is not real.

[Caller]

The best part is when the entire plane, they all turn around to look at what is she talking about, right?

[Michael]

It's like, what's not real? What do you mean not real?

[Caller]

It's not real.

[Michael]

And then she hits him with, you can die on this plane. But I'm not. I'm getting off.

[Jack Armstrong]

Who's not real?

[Michael]

So, you know, it obviously lent itself beautifully to various memes about, you know, who was on the. Who was in the plane that was not real or what she meant, and that sort of thing. It exploded, as those things do. Well, here she is. I guess her name's Tiffany, which is perfect. She's explaining what the hell happened.

[Tiffany (apologizing)]

First and foremost, I want to take full accountability for my actions. They were completely unacceptable. Distressed or not, I should have been. I should have been in control of my emotions, and that was not the case. My use of profanity was completely unnecessary. And I want to apologize to everyone on that plane, especially those that had children aboard. We all have our bad moments, some far worse than others. And mine happened to be caught on camera for the whole world to see multiple times.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sorry.

[Tiffany (apologizing)]

All right, so I'm like Minnie Mouse. It has been really comical for everyone, and I have highly enjoyed so many of the memes. On the flip side, it is very invasive and unkind, and I don't know what I would do without the love and support of my friends and family. I hope that we can use this experience and do a little bit of good in the world and that go.

[Michael]

Back to yelling at people on planes.

[Tiffany (apologizing)]

I hope that you guys can accept my apology.

[Michael]

Please make it in. No, you don't owe me an apology. I don't care. Now, I'd read that she got in a dispute with some family members she was traveling with about whether they stole her earbuds or AirPods or whatever. And that it escalated the where. Where it turned to, this plane's gonna crash. I'm. You're gonna die. I'm getting off. I don't know whether she was psychotic. She didn't sound drunk, but she might be one of those people who sounds pretty, you know, sharp even when she's hammered.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, Katie.

[Caller]

No, I was just gonna say that video explained nothing. She did not tell us how many acid tablets she dropped before getting on that plane.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. She never got to the realness or lack thereof. The gentleman in the back of the plane, which is the. Is the thing, and I didn't know is apologizing for hilarious memes a thing. Now you have to go and post a video where I take full responsibility for this hilarious meme. I mean, what is that?

[Caller]

I kind of felt bad for her because after this video surfaced, you know, it went everywhere. And then the next headline following was the Internet trying to figure out who she was, right? So all these, you know, Internet sleuths were digging to get her information, and now she finally, you know, she had to block all of her stuff on social media. So it was a headline on top of a headline. So she's just trying to clear herself.

[Jack Armstrong]

God help you if you ever become one of these people, because I'm sure it gets into. They get into every aspect of your life and, you know, what you did in high school and your ex boyfriend from college and everything else all of a sudden appears in the world, but does she? So is there still any explanation for the. The that mf or isn't real?

[Michael]

Well, there's. There's more to the clip that I don't know, but there was more to the clip. You can sit on this plane and you can effing die with them or not. I'm not going to. As we heard, she demanded that the crew, quote, stop the plane. And the aircraft was brought back to the gate and she was ejected.

[Jack Armstrong]

We've all had our bad moments, Joe. She takes full responsibility.

[Michael]

It's a good point. She then allegedly refused to leave the boarding area, continued to rant while being escorted outside the terminal where she repeatedly scored. Officers insisted the plane would explode after takeoff. She then snuck through security a couple of more times or attempted to or went through security a couple more times. Times. And they kicked her out of the terminal again.

[Jack Armstrong]

Man, she's lucky she did this in 2023 and not in, like 2012 where she would have been duct taped to the. The cargo hold of the plane back when they. We took all this sort of Stuff. So seriously, how do you get ejected.

[Caller]

From a flight and then get back through security? How does that happen? Because aren't you on some list or something?

[Michael]

Well, I don't know. She's just. They said, look, you got to get out of here. Go, she said, and then turned around, walked over to the security again, went through again, got screened.

[Jack Armstrong]

Can I hear the original clip again? Because that's. That's. It's new to me. The whole. He's not real.

[Tiffany]

I'm telling you, I'm getting off, and there's a reason why I'm getting off. And everyone can either believe it or they cannot believe it, but I am telling you right now that back there is not real. And you can sit on this plane and you can die with them or not. I'm not going to.

[Jack Armstrong]

So everybody turns around.

[Michael]

Yeah. Everybody's like, who's not real?

[Caller]

Who's not?

[Michael]

Everybody back there looks real to me.

[Caller]

Me and the Internet. My gosh, it's totally the Internet I signed up for. All these people were taking this video and splicing it. So with that m effort right there. And then they turn the camera to themselves. They're just like, I'm here.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is a good story. Oh, boy, the poor lady. I'm glad you took full responsibility, though.

[Michael]

Yeah, that was good.

[Joe Getty]

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[Michael]

Our hot [e-mail] Armstrong&getty convening our love panel.

[Jack Armstrong]

So you said love in bloom or.

[Michael]

Crazy stalker psycho bioch. Yes, exactly.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, but it will.

[Michael]

That question will be decided by the love panel.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's always the problem with that is just, It's, It's. It's. It's whether or not the other person is interested in you. All love, like, chasing someone's stuff is. It's just so romantic and well received. If the other person's interested. If they're not.

[Michael]

And he never gave up. And now we've been married for 50 years.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right?

[Michael]

Beautiful.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I. I said no five times. And I came out aside, and he was waiting by my car with a rose.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you kind of like the guy, that's just awesome. If you don't like the guy, you call the police and get a restraining order and maybe pepper spray him or.

[Michael]

Send your brothers to beat him down. Yeah, right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly.

[Michael]

Ah, yes. But this is a gal on a mission. Love and bloom or crazy stalker psycho bioch? Let's find out. 13. Michael.

[Listener]

I saw this really cute guy at the grocery store the other day. So naturally, I followed him to the checkout counter, and when he gave the cashier his credit card, I peeped it to see what his name was. And then I Googled him and found his social media profiles, and I was able to tell that he was single. So I went through his friends list, and I found his mother's page. And then I looked through his mother's page, and I saw that she was a member of this book club that's in my area. So I went to the book club meeting, and I met his mom there, and she just thought I was so nice. And I brought it up randomly in conversation that I was single. And she let me know that she had a son that was single also that lived in the area, and maybe it would be cool for us to get together and chat sometimes. So I gave her my number, which she gave to her son. And this morning, he texted me and asked if I'd like to get together this weekend and do something. So I guess we're gonna go on a date. I'm really excited.

[Caller]

Wait until he sees this video and goes, oh, my God. Who did I go on a date with?

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. That's a pretty successful effort she made there. I don't know how it's gonna turn.

[Caller]

Out, but that's insane.

[Michael]

Well, we have a little update for you. That young man is now dissolving in a as that psycho decided he wasn't worthy of living.

[Jack Armstrong]

And she is now wearing his skin.

[Michael]

As a garment, and his finger bones is a necklace. Follow up segment. All right, all right.

[Caller]

So, dude, run from her.

[Jack Armstrong]

God. She actually went to the book club meeting and got to know his mom. Oh, wow.

[Michael]

Cause he's a cute guy. I mean, look, let's all recognize. I can see a dozen attractive women. There will be one that'll, like, make my brain explode for whatever genetic, anthropological. Who knows why it happens. Recently, Dr. Freud had his own opinions. Whatever. And maybe it was one of those. Maybe it was one of those. She saw him and just her jaw dropped. It was like, oh, my God. For whatever reason now, certainly concocting some sort of. Can you help me out to the car with this or. That would have been a hell of a lot more normal than the whole Sherlock Holmes routine. How troubled are we by the detective job and the route she took, man?

[Jack Armstrong]

The. The going to the book club and meeting mom and getting to know her, that is. That is a. That's a different level. That.

[Michael]

That really feels to me like something that ends up with somebody's cat getting murdered.

[Jack Armstrong]

So Katie, you're more up on the modern world of how this is handling. How do we feel about just like noticing the name on the credit card and doing a little research on. On online so that.

[Caller]

See, I think that it was. It got weird the second she looked at his credit credit card to get his number, his name. I like Joe's idea. Just, hey, could you help me to the car with this? Or like a regular approach. But I would be lying if I said that I hadn't met a guy and he had given me his name and I went home and looked him up. I've done that before. But not, you know, to the extent to go meet his mom at a book club and then wear his skin later. That's weird.

[Michael]

Michael, thoughts?

[Katie]

Yeah, pretty psycho. I wouldn't. I'm like, Katie. I mean, maybe you look him up online, do a little background check, but that. That's it.

[Caller]

Well, he gives you his name, you don't look at his credit card to like, kind of.

[Katie]

I don't this.

[Caller]

She sounds like a serial killer to me.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, there's a little surprise. We're gonna talk to him live now. He's chained to the radiator in her basement.

[Michael]

Help me. Somebody help me. Gosh.

[Caller]

Yeah, the second part of this story, he goes missing and she's helping his mom look for him at that point. That's how these horror movies go.

[Michael]

She's putting up posters. Yeah, exactly.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've only become aware recently and for reasons I won't get into. About all you need is somebody. If you have somebody's phone number, for instance, you can find out everything, and it costs you like a buck online. And you got every place they've ever lived, every phone they've ever had, all their friends, their family members. Yeah, yeah, it's. It's horrifying. I mean, it's less worrisome as a dude, but man, if I'm gonna. A young woman knowing that any guy who gets a hold of my phone number at all now knows where I live and where my friends live and where I work and everything. It just. Yeah, that's just. Different world for that sort of thing. Of course, on the other hand, buddy of mine pointed the sets me their day. Remember when we were younger, all of our names were in the phone book with our address. All of us. All of us. If you knew somebody's name, you could look up their address. And it's not like everybody got abducted every day, right? Everybody's name was in the phone book with their address.

[Caller]

Did the unlisted thing come later is.

[Jack Armstrong]

That no unlisted existed. But I never knew a girl that was unlisted. Every girl, she was writing the phone book.

[Michael]

Okay, yeah, real rarity. Getting back to the whole meeting mom book class, book club, happened to randomly mention I was single and. But subterfuge that just that that is a willingness to be sneaky and duplicitous, that isn't her first rodeo. You know what I mean? Yes, yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think we're a little bit into the, the modern attitude where everybody's so paranoid of the would you rather run into a bear or a man in the woods for a woman? I mean, just you saying was that before unlisted was available, like you wouldn't want your name listed in the phone. Everybody had their address and name and the phone, and everybody was fine with it. And everybody wasn't paranoid thinking, oh my God, that's dangerous. A guy could look up my address. It worked out. I mean, so is. Is culture that much worse or we just way more paranoid than we.

[Michael]

Well, I would point out that if I had the hots for Jenny Smith or even unless her name was true, her last name was truly rare and distinctive, there'd be 11 of them in the phone book. I couldn't tell which one was.

[Jack Armstrong]

That wasn't my experience at all because I lived in small towns. Everybody, everybody's name. There was only one Jenny Smith in every town. Everybody's address was right there. And I don't remember anybody abusing it or anybody even talking about it. Being abused.

[Michael]

No. No.

[Jack Armstrong]

So what hat what changed our parent yet? The reality of stalkers or our paranoia?

[Michael]

Both. I don't know.

[Katie]

People aren't brave anymore. They don't want to just go and ask something, ask one out right in person, you know, just, hey, would you like to go out? Would you like to get some coffee?

[Michael]

That's like social skills take developing though, and we're not letting our kids develop those social skills. I had chatted up so many girls by the time I started college. Just the, the idea of, oh my God, I can't, I can't say hello to her. It was just foreign to me. It was not like I was some sort of bold master gamesman or anything. It was just so familiar to me, you know, hey, how you doing? Well, please.

[Caller]

Phones and Internet have completely smashed that skill, I think.

[Michael]

You know, this is a weird grab, but it popped in my head for some reason. I can't remember why. The other day I was thinking about the old, like the first Bob Seeger song with the. What was the name of his band? Bob Seeger and the Silver Bullet then? No, no, that was before he was a solo artist when he was a Detroit rocker. But a rambling gambling man. The line is, ain't good looking, but you know, I ain't shy, ain't afraid to look a girl in the eye. And A, I've always kind of liked that line because he was a regular guy. But B, we've got a couple of generations who are terrified to look a girl in the eye and say, hey, how you doing?

[Jack Armstrong]

So, like, it's bad. You think if she, she found him alluring enough to go through all that work, she should have made her move right then?

[Michael]

Yeah, she's equipped with the tools to do that. Of course, if you're an all attractive young woman, all you have to say is, so I see you like cereal.

[Caller]

That's good enough icebreaker right there.

[Michael]

Exactly.

[Caller]

Yeah. I just, I have a real issue with her going on a date with him after having done all of this and acting like it did didn't go down like that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, yeah, well, yeah, like.

[Caller]

Oh, we just so happened to meet. I met your mom at book club. Like the whole, the start of whatever relationship this might be is going to be BS anyway.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that's, that's a decent point there. You can't start with a lie and then go from there.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah. This ends with a dead cat, Trust me.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. If you, yeah. If you're out with somebody and everything like that and then she mentions. Yeah, I was talking to your mom. Wait a second. You know my mom? Why do you know my mom? This is weird.

[Caller]

Okay, well, let me tell you how this went down. So I saw your credit card at the store.

[Jack Armstrong]

The book club that your mom is in.

[Michael]

23 year old woman, you're in a book club with a bunch of 64 year olds. Why? I like to read.

[Jack Armstrong]

Pretending you want to read the Bridges of Madison county so you can get to meet this old woman that is going too far.

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[Jack Armstrong]

My son, who's 14 and graduating from eighth grade this week. Graduating. So he actually asked, why do they have 8th grade graduation? I. Well, I don't know the real answer, but where I grew up, I thought it was because a lot of people stopped going to school at eighth grade. There was a good chunk of the class that were a particular religion, the Mennonites, they stopped at eighth grade. So I thought that's why we had eighth grade. Graduation because they were done but then found out they have 8th grade graduations other places. So why does 8th grade graduation exist?

[Michael]

You know, I actually heard a really interesting argument about this once where the one point of view was, hey, they've finished a level of school. Let's say, let's show them, hey, education is important. We're proud of you, good job. Let's reinforce wanting to stay in school and pass everything, which I think is a perfectly reasonable point of view. The opposition was a woman who was saying, they haven't accomplished anything. They're getting the very basics of education, their kids, they've got several more years of mandatory schooling. They haven't accomplished anything. They barely gotten started. Quit with the ceremonies. Too many ceremonies.

[Jack Armstrong]

I lean more toward that point of view.

[Michael]

Anything that would lessen the number of ceremonies I have to go to, I'm in favor of.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes.

[Caller]

My mom has a picture of my. Is it my kindergarten graduation or my preschool graduation? I don't remember it. I'm wearing a robe. I know. She had to buy a robe. Yeah, I had a little green gad graduation cap and robe. And they took pictures that she obviously paid for because we have it. So I'm thinking you got money sucked out of that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh yeah, we, we did. We had to do kindergarten graduation and there was like a certificate and stuff, but I don't think there was no robe involved.

[Michael]

But you know, I hate to blame the gals for this, but it reminds me of little 7 year old kids in full uniform playing little league. And they have opening ceremonies and closing ceremonies every season and the parade of the teams and lots of pictures and the rest of it. Back in the day you just went and played ball. There's no opening ceremony. What the hell do you have an opening ceremony? First game of the year is on Saturday. Go play it. That was the opening ceremony. Play ball.

[Jack Armstrong]

So my eighth grader has. So the graduation is actually on Thursday and you're supposed to wear a tie. So we have to go out and get a tie. At some point this week he's gonna wear my shirt and my pants because we're the same size.

[Caller]

Oh, and it's gonna be hot.

[Jack Armstrong]

He can't wear my shoes because he has bigger feet than me, but so I have to get him some dress shoes and a tie and it is going to be hot. But the night before, there's a big dance. The very first dance of his life.

[Michael]

Oh, boy.

[Jack Armstrong]

And he said the other day, I sure hope there's chairs because I plan to sit.

[Caller]

It's so funny, the difference between guys and. And gals with this one, like, I was so excited. And he wants a chair to sit.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. Yeah, I. I know, I know that that's true. I'm sure the girls are very, very excited. I was gonna. I haven't talked to him about the. I hinted at, but I was going to talk to him specifically about. And I haven't completely crafted it into my head yet. And it probably won't do any good anyway because it's different when you're 14 than when you're older and looking back on being 14. But man, oh man, oh man, there's so many things that I chickened out of or kind of wish I had done or whatever. You only live once. You only freaking live once. That girl over there, you kind of like, go ask her to dance. Good God. I gotta figure out how I want to present it. Not like that, but I mean, looking at, talking to my eighth grade me, I mean, just. Life is short. Yeah. One go round.

[Michael]

Yeah, here's. Here's what you gotta do. Maybe I'll. I'll offer this service. I'll come over with half a dozen middle school young ladies, have your boy ask each one of them to dance. Each one of them will say, thanks, but no, I'm not interested. And by the end of. Maybe we'll even do two rounds. By the end of it, the kid will be like, yeah, it's fine, whatever.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, did they just get used to getting used to being rejected a couple of times?

[Michael]

Yeah. Or they might be completely demoralized. But no, maybe have that 13th one say, yeah, I'd love to.

[Jack Armstrong]

Did you ask somebody to dance, Michael?

[Katie]

Yeah, I think I did. I usually got rejected, so it's okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

I didn't ask anybody to dance. Somebody asked me to dance for the last slow dance of the night. And I've never been more nervous in my life. I can still feel the sweat running down my armpits. As we were slow dancing, I was so nervous and scared. But why wouldn't you? I mean, and I kind of wanted to dance, but I was scared at one of being rejected and two of dancing in front of other people. It's just. God, when you get older, it just seems like why would you freaking care? But that's just the perspective of age. You can't, you know, you can't inject that into someone.

[Caller]

Well, yeah, and dances are so small in our lives now. It's such a big thing to them, right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, yeah, of course it is. And you know, so on one hand, I don't know about his friends, but it's probably true for his friends, too. On one hand, he's. I hope they have chairs there. I might bring my own camping chair, just so I make sure. But he has. We got a haircut two weeks ago, and he wasn't quite happy with that, so we went and got another haircut. And, you know, he's been picking out his clothes, so, I mean, you wouldn't get two haircuts and pick out your clothes and all this sort of stuff if you didn't care at all. So you care, but you just don't want to look like you care because I'm sure none of your friends are looking like they care. As the boys again, as the girls you get. You can be as thrilled as you want to be. Lots of exclamation points if you're a girl.

[Michael]

Yeah, I played the records at the dances, like in middle school. I volunteered for that. I think it's one of the reasons I became a musician. If I'm playing, you can't ask me to dance. I'm busy.

[Jack Armstrong]

All the high school dances, I was the dj, which kind of got me out of. I got to be there, but I had a job.

[Michael]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

But, yeah. So I don't know. I'm gonna try to craft some sort of go for it type speech, see how it lands. I can just think of several examples of like, why. Why didn't you. Why didn't you do this? Why didn't you do that? There's no downside. The worst case scenario is nothing. The. Well, actually, the worst case scenario is not doing anything and then wishing the rest of your life you would have tried.

[Michael]

So, yeah, Here, here.

[Jack Armstrong]

So that said, he bought a fake Rolex off of Amazon.

[Caller]

He totally cares. He totally cares. He does cool to not care, but, yeah, he cares.

[Jack Armstrong]

He bought this fake Rolex. It's $40, and it's shockingly great. I mean, it's really, really good. It's like, really heavy and nice and, yeah, very cool.

[Michael]

I think you may be admitting to a federal offense harboring a known importer of rep of counterfeit goods.

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