The A&G Replay Monday Hour One

Summary

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Armstrong & Getty On Demand – Replay Monday Hour One (September 1, 2025)

Episode Overview

In this replayed episode, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty jump between cultural commentary, historical literary analysis, and current political events, all while maintaining their trademark conversational and irreverent tone. Main topics include a deep-dive into George Orwell’s Animal Farm and its modern-day relevance, a primer on basic economics triggered by the Oasis reunion tour ticket pricing, the political battle over gerrymandering and congressional redistricting with Rep. Kevin Kiley, and a lively segment on emerging issues with artificial intelligence impacting jobs and society.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Enduring Relevance of Orwell’s Animal Farm

Timestamp: 01:44–12:25

• Orwell’s Struggle & Perseverance:
  Jack notes that Animal Farm came after several failed works by Orwell, serving as a “testament to hanging in there and working hard.” (01:44)

• Ten Truths from Animal Farm:
  A summary and discussion of ten enduring lessons, including:

  • Revolution inevitably breeds its own corruption—“Power corrupts incrementally through small compromises.” (03:01)
  • Language as a weapon: “When they tell you what words to use and start changing those words...they're trying to pervert meaning and...demanding an act of submission from you.” – Jack (04:15)
  • Historical memory manipulation: deliberate rewriting of history is a dangerous tool of control; direct comparisons are made to projects like the 1619 Project. (07:44)
  • Propaganda over physical force: “Propaganda is more powerful than physical force.” (07:42)
  • Engineered conformity and “preference falsification” in society (08:44)
  • Loyalty and exploitation of working classes

• Memorable Quote:
  “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” – Jack quoting Orwell, discussing language and propaganda as control mechanisms (05:45)

• Humor & Satire:
  Jack and Joe joke about reading Animal Farm to children, calling it “practically a Disney film,” then noting the book’s actual brutality (02:49–03:01).

• Echoes Today:
  “There are echoes of that today.” – Commenter under the discussed thread, emphasizing the book’s continued relevance (12:06)

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2. Economics 101 – Oasis Reunion Tour, Ticket Prices, and Market Realities

Timestamp: 12:39–18:34

• Dynamic Pricing Explained:
  Using the Oasis reunion tour as an example, they explain basic supply and demand:

  • Limited supply + high demand = high prices.
  • Scalpers and Ticketmaster's perceived price gouging—“The fees that creep up onto your bill at the end...that's a different topic.” – Joe (14:48)

• Economic Literacy:
  “A concert ticket is no different from a book, a bottle of wine, or a house. It has no inherent value, only the price a buyer is willing to pay and a seller is willing to accept.” – Jack (15:44)

• Notable Quote:
  “No buyer has a right to a low price, just as no seller has a right to a high price.” (15:44)

• Industry Insight:
  “Ticketmaster does nothing that the band does not agree to. The acts hide behind Ticketmaster; they want them to take the flack.” – Jack (17:16)

• Rock Band Anecdotes:
  Joe shares a personal story about missing an Oasis concert due to the brothers’ famous backstage fight, highlighting the volatility that fuels both demand and price (17:44).

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3. Trump, National Guard, and Redistricting – Interview with Rep. Kevin Kiley

Timestamp: 21:03–31:57

• Trump’s Statement:
  A brief clip of Trump discussing sending National Guard troops to cities, his critics calling him a dictator, and his own response: “I’m not a dictator. I’m a man with great common sense and a smart person...” (21:04)

• Rep. Kevin Kiley Interview:

  • On National Guard Deployments:
    • Kiley sees a case for National Guard in certain high-crime cities, referencing successful outcomes in D.C. and prior use in San Francisco (22:27)
    • Discussion of legal/constitutional constraints in different cities
  • On Gerrymandering and Redistricting:
    • Kiley condemns mid-decade redistricting efforts as anti-democratic: “It is an explicit attempt to overturn the will of voters, blow up our state constitution, and deprive many people of their representatives.” (24:11)
    • Proposes outlawing mid-decade redistricting and establishing national standards for fair districts and voter ID
    • Argues for proportional representation: “Everyone should have the chance to get a representative of their choice. The party should be represented about an equal measure of the support they have in the population.” (27:06)
    • Warns against the “race to the bottom” in partisan gerrymandering: “You fight fire with fire, the whole world burns.” (28:36)
  • On Newsom’s Presidential Prospects:
    • “Under the microscope of a presidential campaign, [Gavin Newsom’s] image will quickly fall apart once people start asking questions like why is it that California has the highest homelessness in the country?” (30:22)
    • “[Voters] simply will not be able to answer [for] the sort of outcomes that Gavin Newsom’s politics do.” (30:38)

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4. AI: Oh No – Automation, Deepfakes, and Future Job Losses

Timestamp: 33:12–40:10

• Societal Shift Toward Socialism / Disillusionment:
  Jack laments the growing popularity of socialism among young people, linking it to generations exposed to anti-capitalist, “woke” ideology and the looming specter of white-collar job loss due to AI:
  “You combine that with a future in which...the very first jobs...that are going to disappear because of AI are white-collar...office type jobs, those are going to be disappearing in droves.” (34:44)

• Peggy Noonan & John Ellis’ Prognosis:

  • John Ellis predicts companies will employ “10 to 25% fewer” workers in various office roles within 2–3 years. (36:05)
  • Microsoft’s list of “AI-proof” jobs: roofers, pile driver operators, rodeo clowns.

• AI Cheating and Interview Fraud:
  Companies returning to in-person interviews to combat applicants using AI tools and deepfakes to cheat virtual interviews. Gartner predicts that by 2028, “one in four job candidate profiles worldwide will be fake.” (38:42)

• Humorous Take on AI Relationships:
  Joe shares a tabloid story of a woman getting “engaged” to her AI bot after five months, debating whether it’s attention-seeking or delusion:
  “What I couldn't tell...is if it was just somebody trying to get attention online or just absolutely completely nutty.” – Joe (39:37)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Pro choice is going to persuade more people than pro abortion.” — Joe (05:06), on language used in political persuasion
• “[The sheep in Animal Farm] easily switch from ‘four legs good, two legs bad’ to ‘four legs good, two legs better’...That’s what they’re trying to do to the kids too—teach them to mindlessly bleat.” — Jack (08:44)
• “[Supply and demand]: If it’s not George Clooney or Shohei Ohtani or the Gallagher brothers getting the money, it's the company, the network, or the scalpers. But somebody’s getting the money. It’s just the way it works.” — Joe (16:35)
• “You fight fire with fire, the whole world burns.” — Jack (28:36), refuting political tit-for-tat
• “Gartner predicted that by 2028, one in four job candidate profiles worldwide will be fake. One in four!” — Jack (38:42)
• “[AI bots as partners:] Is this person an attention whore or a crazy person?” — Jack (40:01)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Orwell’s Animal Farm analysis: 01:44–12:25
• Economics 101 & Ticket Pricing: 12:39–18:34
• Interview with Rep. Kevin Kiley (National Guard/redistricting): 21:03–31:57
• AI & Disruption, Deepfake Hiring, Societal Impacts: 33:12–40:10

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Episode Tone and Language

Throughout, Armstrong & Getty balance satirical wit, directness, and occasional sarcasm, particularly when discussing political manipulation, media narratives, and societal trends. The style is educational yet intentionally conversational ("infotainment") and peppered with irreverence and pop-cultural asides.

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Transcript

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Now broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

Welcome to a replay of the Armstrong and Getty Show. We are on vacation, but boy do we have some good stuff for you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, indeed we do. And if you want to catch up on your ang listening during your travels, remember, grab the podcast Armstrong and Yeti on demand. You ought to subscribe wherever you like to get podcasts. Now on with the infotainment. George Orwell's Animal Farm, which is worth discussing on a number of different levels, including the fact that Orwell had written several things prior to it which were not very good and was really struggling as a writer. And it just his projects didn't come together quite right and it would have been very easy to give up. I mean, he's rightfully worshiped for his prescient, you know, and insightful descriptions of totalitarianism and how it works and how it progresses inch by inch and stuff like that. But hell, he's a testament to hanging in there and, and, you know, working hard. Anyway, so I came across this thread of comment on on Animal Farm, which, if you haven't read it since high school, read it again. I try to read it every couple of years.

[Joe Getty]

It's about talking pigs, right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, quite a few talking animals, Jack. It's practically a Disney film. It's just wonderful. So read it to your 3 year old.

[Joe Getty]

Kind of a Charlotte Web like thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. Unless your 3 year old likes mass executions. Don't read them. Animal Farm. Anyway, so this, this author has trotted out 10 truths from animal Farm Orwell warned us to never forget. And the first is Revolution. Revolution contains the seeds of its own corruption. Power corrupts. ABC. 1, 2, 3, need not dwell on that. Power corrupts incrementally through small compromises. And he gives examples from the book. And the first, small inequality sets a precedent that escalates step by step to mass executions and Napoleon the pig becoming an absolute dictator. Spoiler alert.

[Joe Getty]

So spoiler alert on an 80 year.

[Jack Armstrong]

Old book.

[Joe Getty]

That seems to be true. I guess that's why you don't give an inch, huh? On a variety of things.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, right, yeah, yeah. Corruption tends to grow by inches, not by, you know, yards or miles. They get better as they go. Interestingly enough, point number three is language becomes a weapon to control reality itself.

[Joe Getty]

We've lived that situation for the past five years or more.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, folks, we probably don't need to expand on that notion. But if there, if I could boil down, you know, I've got a list of roughly 144 jihads at this point. But number one, I think honestly is to help people understand how when they tell you what words to use and start changing those words and demanding that you use their words, not the words you've always used. That's two things. Number one, they're trying to pervert meaning and therefore, you know, win the, the argument by just, you know, cloudying the waters. Clouding the waters. But secondly, they're demanding an act of submission from you. And it's an important one because, you know, without free speech, may we be led like dumb animals to the slaughter.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. But sometimes, it sometimes is definitely that. Sometimes it's just, it, it helps persuade people. Pro choice is going to persuade more people than pro abortion.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. Gender affirming care settles the argument. Wait a minute. It's not a sex change operation or an experiment on a confused child. It's affirming the gender that they are. How can you disagree with that, man?

[Joe Getty]

The left is why I go.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know.

[Joe Getty]

The left wins that battle all the time. I mean all conservatives, Fox News, everybody always adopts the language of the left.

[Jack Armstrong]

Always.

Yeah, I actually semi regularly badger Fox News to stop using the term gender affirming care and it and back to language becoming a weapon to control reality itself. It eventually culminates in the absurd contradiction all animals are equal. But Some animals are more equal than others. Ignorance is manufactured to enable oppression. Napoleon the pig raises puppies in isolation to become his vicious guard dogs while deliberately keeping other animals illiterate so they cannot read the altered commandments. Am I such a conspiracy theorist that I think, I mean we, I think most of us have agreed that government schools in America now are indoctrinating kids into postmodernism, Neo Marxism, wokeism. Right. Are they deliberately not teaching the kids to be capable and self reliant or is that kind of an after effect?

[Joe Getty]

I don't know if I believe that. But a good example would be what the church at its worst did up until the, you know, Protestant Reformation. You, you weren't, you weren't in on the ability to read and, and determine for yourself what was, what was going on.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, right. More key takeaways from Animal Farm on its birthday. Historical memory can be erased and rewritten. Now, speaking of Orwell, read 1984. Oh yeah, with Big Brother and all. And Big Brother's watching. No, read it. You have to read it again. The idea of erasing historical memory, perverting a people's own history so they don't know who they are, and then you can supply them an alternate history that puts them where you want them to be. They're not accidentally Howard Zinning our history in schools. It's a deliberate strategy.

[Joe Getty]

1619 project.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh yeah, yeah, exactly. That was not inaccurate because they moved too fast or something like that. It was deliberately designed to make Western civilization ashamed of itself and anxious for its own change. Anyway, I could elaborate, but erasing history is enormously, enormously important. Rather, point 6, propaganda is more powerful than physical force. Squealer the pig constantly threatens that Jones will come back if animals don't obey while presenting false statistics showing increased food production even as the animals starve, they believe their suffering serves the greater good. Just bad information, interesting scapegoating.

[Joe Getty]

And those pigs didn't have the Internet. That's the problem we got. They didn't have as much misinformation.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my gosh. Yeah, it's a good point. Scapegoating enables political manipulation. That's kind of self explanatory. I think if you blame, say, I don't know, white people or Jews or black people or whatever for the ills of society. You don't have to take responsibility for them and fix them. Point number eight, fear and violence reshape consciousness itself. The, you know, the pig regime created so much terror that even questioning orders became unthinkable. Again, that speaks for itself. Now this is one of the parts I really wanted to get to mass. Conformity is engineered, not natural. This relates directly to what we've been talking about the last couple of days, and that's preference falsification, where everybody starts to believe. Everybody believes something other than what they believe. It's a deliberate strategy. And the sheep in Animal Farm are trained to mindlessly chant slogans and drown out any dissent by bleating on for minutes on end. And they easily switch from four legs good, two legs bad to four legs good, two legs better. When the pigs start walking upright. That's what they're trying to do to the kids too. Teach them to mindlessly bleat. You can choose your gender. White people, white supremacy. We need to eliminate whiteness. They have no idea what they're talking about. They're the useful idiots term you hear sometimes. And Jack will semi frequently have the conversation. Do like the college administrators and the teachers, the school teachers and all do. They know that they're neo Marxist postmodernists trying to tear down Western civilization. And the answer is, some of them do. But a lot of them are just the sheep from Animal Farm. They're bleating four legs good, two legs bad. And final point, the working classes. Loyalty becomes their exploitation. If you can get people tribal enough, they will let you get away with anything. Anyway, read Animal Farm. It's great. It's short and it's got talking animals in it. So it's pretty much just like, I don't know, Finding Nemo or Charlotte's Web, a lot like that.

[Joe Getty]

The Three Little Pigs.

[Jack Armstrong]

Again, it's more torture and murder, but very much like the Three Little Pigs.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, worth pointing out both those books, 1984 and Animal Farm. You could read it in the afternoon if you really wanted to.

[Jack Armstrong]

Animal 84 is a little longer than that, but it's. It's worth it. Absolutely worth it. It's a compelling read.

[Joe Getty]

Just looked up at the Twitter feed, our friend Tim retweeted. It's. It's a video of how hedgehogs mate for some reason. And the. In the delicate way in which the female hedgehog has to flatten her spines so that the male hedgehog can get up close enough to. It's really fascinating, some of you know.

[Jack Armstrong]

But more than appreciated.

[Joe Getty]

On my list of things I thought I would see this morning when I got up, it wasn't hedgehogs mating. I didn't think that. One thing I did think I would.

[Jack Armstrong]

See or hear about Labubu I got.

[Joe Getty]

Nothing to say about it. I just wanted to get the word on, because apparently you need to say.

[Jack Armstrong]

It or discuss it at least once.

[Joe Getty]

A day during this current moment in time. Labubu. There you go.

[Jack Armstrong]

Good. We checked that box.

[Joe Getty]

We checked the box. We got it on the air. All right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Final note, on the Animal Farm thing, the first comment under the thread, the first time I saw it was. There are echoes of that today.

[Joe Getty]

That's insightful. Oh, that's some good ass right there.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, it's better not getting it, I suppose.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Are you about to say something?

No.

Okay, so we're gonna do the 101 class first, and then 201 class. If this first part is too obvious for some of you, congratulations on understanding the basics of economics, which is a fairly rare thing in today's world, which is highly discouraging. But first of all, they're talking about. Who's this writer? I like to give credit because it's really well written. Matthew Hennessy in the Wall Street Journal is talking about the fellows in Oasis, the British rock band which is getting back together. Wonderwall. He gets back in. He gets into some of the backstory. The Gallagher brothers, who can't stand each other and can't get along, but they're the indispensable members of the band Oasis. Last month, the boys buried the Hatchet announced series 2025 conc. Delirious. Fans were young and relatively poor during the band's heyday, are now older and relatively rich. They have the willingness and ability to pay to see Oasis in concert. Economically speaking, that's called demand. But demand is only one side of the economic story, Morning glory. For the moment at least. The Oasis reunion is limited to a handful of shows. And though Wembley Stadium is large, it's not infinitely so. And there's no guarantee the brothers will remain on speaking terms beyond next summer. Fans understand that this may be their last chance to see the battling Gallagher lads together on stage. Supply is limited. Now, introductory economics tell us that when supply is tight and demand is high, prices rise to an equilibrium, which is exactly what happened. Then he talks about dynamic pricing and how the tickets are significantly more expensive than they seem to be when initially announced. Some accused the greedy brothers of ripping off their loyal fans. Many more aimed their fury at Ticketmaster. The American Ticket sales behemoth owned by Live Nation Entertainment. The furor revealed terrible.

[Joe Getty]

Probably, probably not going to argue me out of my anger at Ticker Ticketmaster in general, but go on.

[Jack Armstrong]

The fees, the fees that creep up onto your bill at the end, that's. That's a different topic. And an interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Your electronic sending me of the ticket cost $40.

[Jack Armstrong]

What? Yeah. Anyway, putting that aside, because this is just a question of the price of the tickets, the Fuhrer revealed a terrible ignorance even among the highly educated of what prices are and how they work. I would argue to the journalists that, no, these are people posing as being out outraged. They're not actually outraged. Like the very Prime Minister of Britain, Keir Starmer, told the House Commons that he found it depressing to hear of the Oasis price hikes. He promised a commission to investigate what he called extortionate price resales. Whatever. Culture Secretary Lisa Nandy told the Beeb that quote, vastly inflated prices would exclude ordinary fans.

[Joe Getty]

They. They have a culture Secretary.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Why do you need that?

[Joe Getty]

Secretary of Culture. And there should be some sort of government intervention in that. Some things are more expensive than others. What?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Bollocks. In economic terms, a concert ticket. And this is the really important part, this is the econ 101 stuff that if you don't understand it, you don't get anything about economics. A concert ticket is no different from a book, a bottle, a wine or a house. It has no inherent value, only the price a buyer is willing to pay. And a seller is willing to. Except the market clearing price of anything is where demand meets supply. The correct and fair price is whatever the market will bear. No buyer has a right to a low price, just as no seller has a right to a high price. Then they point out the obvious. Oasis could be nice guys and sell their tickets for five bucks, but scalpers would snatch them all up and resell them for much, much more. What good would it do for Oasis for the ordinary fan or anybody to allow third party resellers to capture all that value?

[Joe Getty]

Well, that's what. Yeah, that's what people don't understand about sports. Guitar players, whatever, actors and actresses, somebody's going to get that money because there's a demand for it. So if it's not George Clooney or S.H. otani or the Gallagher brothers, then the, the, the company that puts on the show or the game or the network or whatever, they get the money. But somebody's getting the money. It's just the way it works.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right? A couple more quick tidbits a music industry guru, explained that the acts hide behind Ticketmaster. They want them to take the flack for all of this stuff.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, that's pretty good. That's probably true.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it's not good for your image. But Ticketmaster takes all the flack. And he also writes, here's the dirty little secret. Ticketmaster does nothing that the band does not agree to. So anyway, I thought that was a good little instructional on if there's demand and little supply, the prices are going to go up and it should. And you know what's going to happen? The Gallagher boys are going to put down their fists and and open up their calendars and say, you know, I'm willing to play half a dozen more shows. Are you? And supply will increase and the prices.

[Joe Getty]

Will I was drunk in the back seat of an SUV that could go like I have 1,500 stories that start that way. But in this particular one to my seat, I was drunk in the back of SUV on the way to an Oasis concert in Charlotte, North Carolina in 1990 live when we heard on the radio that they had canceled the concert because the two brothers had gotten a fist fight backstage. So I still have not seen them.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. Wow. Yeah, that legend not overblown. No, that reminds me when they were like in their 60s. The Davis brothers. It looks like Davies, but it's pronounced Davis of the Kinks, actually were continuing to come to blows and scream at each other backstage in their 60s trying to tour.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Get some counseling fellas, or something.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway, let it go.

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[Donald Trump]

As you all know, Chicago's a kill right now and they don't acknowledge it. And they say we don't need him. Freedom.

[Jack Armstrong]

Freedom.

[Donald Trump]

He's a dictator. He's a dictator. A lot of people are saying maybe we like a dictator. I don't like a dictator. I'm not a dictator. I'm a man with great common sense and a smart person. And when I see what's happening to our cities and then you send in troops instead of being praised, they're saying you're trying to take over the republic. These people are sick.

[Joe Getty]

The other thing, the old man in the sea, the old man on my boat when we took our break from sailing, he was telling me all the things he doesn't like about Trump. That's one of my favorite things as far as a personality goes. Just lay into me with your political opinions. Anyway, that's Trump just a few moments ago saying a lot of People like a dictator, which of course will get headlines all day long. But that was on the topic of sending National Guard troops into cities, among things we might talk about with Kevin Kiley, who joins us now on the Armstrong and Getty Show. He's a California congressperson in our House of Representatives representing the 3rd district of California will actually be gerrymandered out if Gavin Newsom gets his way. How are you this morning, Kevin Kiley?

[Jack Armstrong]

Doing well, thanks for having me.

[Joe Getty]

Hey, before we get to the whole redistricting thing, which would eliminate your position, what are your thoughts on sending National Guard troops into various US Cities for that or against it?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I think certainly in D.C. we've seen the results. Right. We've got a significant improvement in public safety over the last week, more than a week. And D.C. has had out of control crime for a long time and no one deserves to live in those conditions. But it's especially embarrassing for our country when we have people coming from around the world and they see our capital city has lawlessness, has rampant homelessness, has, you know, you go to, it's like Sacramento or places in California go to CVS and they have the shampoo and conditioner under lock and key. So I think that there's a lot of people who are like, finally someone actually cares that our cities are unsafe for folks to live in. And hopefully this will catalyze a renewed interest in public safety across the country.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, of course, though the big difference being there is a constitutional way that the president can take, can take over problems in Washington, D.C. that he does not have for Chicago and some of the other cities he's throwing out.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, you know, interestingly enough, Gavin Newsom himself deployed the National Guard to San Francisco, I think it was last year, might have been the year before, saying the open air drug markets are out of control. We need the Guard there in order to help our law enforcement. And Brandon Newsom, of course, did it in a halfway token sort of way. So it didn't really make an impact. But you would hope that the president would have willing partners in mayors and governors across the country to ask, okay, where do you need help? How can we cooperate to actually protect your citizens?

[Joe Getty]

Well, everything Gavin Newsom does, as we've talked about a lot, you have to run through the filter of he's trying to run for president. That's his main goal. So almost everything he does is how is this going to look nationally, me trying to get the nomination and run for president as opposed to what's going to be good for Any various California town. So am I right that if Gavin gets his way on the whole gerrymandering California, it'll eliminate your seat?

[Jack Armstrong]

That's certainly his goal, but it was also his goal to defeat me last year under the current district lines. He had his own staff member who came and ran against me, and I ended up winning by 46,000 votes. So even though he's tried as hard as he possibly can to gerrymander my district, it looks like an elephant. Ironically, the trunk sort of extends into the Sacramento area to collect the sort of voters that he wants. I still think one way or another, we will beat him again. But ultimately, we need to make sure that the redistricting sham does not go through. It is one of the worst things that could happen to democracy and representative governments in our state. And it's an attempt, it is an explicit attempt to overturn the will of voters, blow up our state constitution, and deprive many people of their representatives.

[Joe Getty]

I was reading something, I think it was in the Washington Post over the weekend. This idea of making the country look like a checkerboard where everything is equal sized square. You know, just draw the lines and whoever lives in it, lives in it and make it that way. Do you have any fixes for this? Because gerrymandering has been going on since the beginning of the country, There doesn't seem to be any way to stop it from happening. Voters hate it. Do you have any ideas?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. In fact, there was an attempt in the early years of the Republic, 17, I think, 97 around then, to gerrymander James Madison out of his seat in Congress.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Of course, the term comes from 1812, when Eldridge Gerry, the governor of Massachusetts, wrote a district in the shape of a salamander. So gerrymander. But you're right, it is not a good thing for our country, whichever party does it, to be honest with you, it's bad for representative government. It disempowers voters and empowers politicians. So what I proposed is, number one, we shouldn't be redrawing lines in the middle of the decade like Gavin Newsom's trying to do. I've introduced a bill to that effect in the House that I'm trying to get past as quickly as possible. And then ultimately, come the time of the next census, when you're actually supposed to be doing redistricting, I want to see a fix for. To make elections fairer in our country. So I think it consists of two things that we could reach a deal on. Number one, let's get rid of gerrymandering once and for all in all 50 states. And number two, let's establish voter ID once and for all in all 50 states. I think that if we can do those two things, then we'll have a lot fairer elections in this country, and our representative government will work a lot better.

[Joe Getty]

So I forget what the numbers were I heard the other day. I think it was about Massachusetts, where they don't have a single Republican in the House, but they get a pretty decent percentage of the vote every single time around if Gavin gets his way. In California, Republicans in the last election made up about 30, 38% of the votes. Dang, near 40% of the votes, but would have 7% of the representation in the House. Obviously, that's not good. And I would say the same thing. If it was flipped Republican and Democrat, would the goal be to have roughly the same representation in the House as the way people vote? Would that be like in a perfect world?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I think that's a pretty good metric, right? Like, everyone should have the chance to get a representative of their choice. The party should be represented about an equal measure of the support they have in the population. This idea that, you know, you control 55% of the state at the state level, therefore you should get 100% of the representatives in Congress. It just makes no sense. And like you said, I think the typical person, whether they're Democrat, Republican, independent, Green Party, what have you, they look at a map that says, okay, we're going to be, you know, four Republicans and 48 Democrats. I think most people would say that's just a little too out of balance. That's really not the way things are supposed to work.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, well, this disturbs me. I feel like on a whole bunch of different issues, we've got a bit of a race to the bottom going on. I mean, what Texas is doing is to try to compensate one for a census that wasn't very representative of reality. But the fact that, you know, Illinois. And of course, it's hilarious that Texas Democrats ran to Illinois, one of the most gerrymandered states in the entire country. But Illinois had done it a long time ago. California did it back in the day. There's not a single Republican north of New York in the. In the entire House. But each, you know, every. Everybody's always reacting to what the other party did and saying, well, we've got to fight. We've got to fight fire with fire. They play hardball, we're good. And how do we avoid this race to the bottom.

[Jack Armstrong]

Great question. This whole fight fire with fire thing is just a ridiculous slogan. I mean, it's rhetoric and, you know, it's easily rhetorically defeated as a slogan as well. You fight fire with fire, the whole world burns. Right.

[Joe Getty]

That's a good one.

[Jack Armstrong]

Because some other, other state is doing something that we don't like. That means California voters should pay the price. Our people should be punished for it. Our voters should be deprived of the right to fair representation, should have their actual votes from the past overturned. It just makes no sense. But I do think, you know, like you said, like, you know, some people appoint Texas, others will point to Illinois. And so, you know, there's a lot of debate of who really started. The truth is it goes back a long, long time to the beginning of the republic like we were talking about. But that's why I think we need to have some sort of national solution to this. And that's my, that's the point of my bill is saying, look, enough is enough. Why don't we get back to the issues that actually matter to people? And by the way, I happen to think that if we have fair elections, then our party, Republicans will do well. In fact, we just did win the election at the House in 2024 with the masses they are now. And look at the issues right now. I mean, we have an absolute standstill at the border. We've delivered major tax relief to the American people. We've gotten rid of a lot of this woke insanity. And the Democrats, meanwhile, have never been more unpopular and have embraced socialism in New York City. So, so let's focus on the issues. Let's move past these redistricting games and let's certainly do everything we can to make sure that Gavin Newsom does not succeed in blowing up our Constitution and attacking democracy in our state.

[Joe Getty]

Speaking of Gavin and I mentioned that he has obviously presidential ambitions. The national punditry that doesn't live in California seems to be pretty high on Gavin and his abilities and his chances of being the next president. I feel like those of us who have watched him more closely, like all the way from back when he was mayor of San Francisco and through, I, I think they're misreading his talents. Well, where are you on that?

[Jack Armstrong]

I agree. 100. I think that under the microscope of a presidential campaign, this will, his image will quickly fall apart once people start asking questions like why is it that California has the highest homelessness in the country?

[Joe Getty]

Half the homeless in the entire country live in this state.

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly half the unshelter homes in the entire country? Why do we have the highest unemployment, 51st out of 50 states? Why is it that we have the highest poverty rate in this country, first out of 50 in California? And you know, as you know, we could go on and on and on and on. Right. So those questions are ones that he simply will not be able to answer. I don't think that, you know, progressives or conservatives want to live in a world that has the sort of outcomes that Gavin Newsom's politics do. So I think that, you know, under the scrutiny which he's really never had to deal with an election process of a national campaign, that truth will be unmistakable.

[Joe Getty]

Do you know how much you can bench press? That communist mayor candidate in New York tried to bench press 135 over the weekend at a gym and he couldn't. I don't know why he laid. I don't know why he laid down on the bench to do that. And I don't care. I don't think we should judge our politicians based on how much lead they can move around. I don't think James Madison could probably bench press very much, but I just thought it was funny that he went to the gym.

[Jack Armstrong]

Back in the game here. So, you know. Yeah, what's that? Schwarzenegger is going to be back in.

[Joe Getty]

The spotlight here if we judge everything on that. Hey, thanks for coming on today. And we'll be following this redistricting, you know, vote and see how the voters feel about it. Obviously, if that would eliminate you, that would be a bad thing for us. Congressman Kevin Kylie, the third District. Thanks for your time.

[Jack Armstrong]

You bet. Thanks for having me.

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[Jack Armstrong]

There are all sorts of stuff, all sorts of things we could talk about, but just at least briefly, a little featurette I'd like to call A.I. oh, no. What'd you say this is called?

Called.

It's called A.I. oh, no.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. I like that. It's got. It tells you what the topic is and then denotes a sense of urgency.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. And foreboding. Yes, indeed. That's what I was going for. So first of all, and I wasn't even going to include this, but it's kind of stuck in the back of my mind, is a think piece, I think it was in the Free Press talking about the appeal of socialism these days and how, you know, we've churned out a couple of generations of youngsters who are absolutely, you know, indoctrinated, brainwashed into thinking, you know, the Western world's bad and capitalism is bad and collectivism and blah, blah, blah. We all know the whole woke thing, the whole critical theory thing. And then they point out you combine that with a future in which the very first jobs and job prospects that are going to disappear because of AI are whitish, color. Ish. You sort of needed a college degree, but not really cubicle. I'm too upper crust to work with my hands. I work in an office type jobs, those are going to be disappearing in droves.

Wow.

Among a collective of people that's already pretty enthusiastic about socialism and how about how capitalism is stacked against the people and it only serves the few and blah, blah, blah. And, and they, you know, they say to the obvious, mum, Donnie and other people, but it's going to get harder and harder, I think, to stand on the beach and. And turn back that tide.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I don't think it's a chance.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, the fabulous Peggy Noonan is writing about that and other things, and she quotes a piece by the writer John Ellis, who's been on the AI story for years, and she says, brings an interesting combination of common sense and imagination to the available information. On his substack, he argued that, quote, the overwhelming force of AI is bearing down on the job market. People, he says, can see it coming. And yet, quote, I drive up and down Old Post Road in Fairfield county almost every day. I happen to know that road very well. When I do, I pass office buildings and Storefronts that are the workplaces of insurance brokers, local and regional bankers, mortgage brokers, lawyers, accountants, consultants, marketers, real estate agents, et cetera. And what I think about all those people as I pass them by is this. The companies they work for will employ 10 to 25% fewer of them in probably two years, maybe three.

[Joe Getty]

25% fewer in a couple of years. That's major.

[Jack Armstrong]

And what those people do for a living will be done by AI. Interestingly enough, and it's worth mentioning the other side of the coin. This same writer offers Microsoft's lists of 20 professions AI likely won't touch. They include floor sanders and finishers, roofers, motorboat operators, rodeo clown. Operating rodeo clowns. No, no, absolutely safe from AI. Massage therapists and pile driver operators. Ah, how to operate a motor boat or operate a pile driver. I just don't know.

[Joe Getty]

That's what I should have gotten into.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, I thought that was interesting. Then you have this story. AI is forcing the return of the in person job interview. Virtual interviews have become the new norm in hiring in recent years. Driven by the rise of remote work, companies desire to speed up hiring. The problem is more candidates are using AI tools to cheat by feeding them answers off screen. Why wouldn't they got your screen going then one right over there, right by the camera. So it looks like they're looking at you, but they're looking at the answers to the questions. And if, if you're interviewing people for like coding jobs or technical jobs especially, they can substitute, you know, the, the, the AI thing for any level of knowledge that they have. Of course, I suppose you could argue, well, just have them bring that to work then and they'll get the job done. Right, but they mentioned Cisco, McKinsey, Google are doing in person interviews now, partly for the reason I gave and partly because now you've got. But the, what do you call it? I can't remember the specific technology, but the technology that like North Korean scammers are using to impersonate other people. They change their face, they change their voice in real time, they interview remotely and then they, they're not at all. Deep fake videos and audios. That's what I was looking for. And they're swindlers and they end up getting the jobs and so the in person interview.

[Joe Getty]

But what do you do once, what do you do once you get the job if you're not qualified or are you qualified?

[Jack Armstrong]

Companies want to avoid sending cash to North Koreans who are working illegally because they don't want to be party to it. In a survey of 3,000 job seekers by research advisory group Gartner this year, 6% said they had participated in interview fraud, either posing as somebody else or having someone stand in for them.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

And Gartner predicted that by 2028, one in four job candidate profiles worldwide will be fake. One in four. It's just too tempting. It's like the kids using AI to help them write their high school report. It's just right there. And as soon as you hear about it, you think, I got to do this. Yes, sir.

[Joe Getty]

Can I throw in my one AI.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh story AI oh no. Well, that's right what it is. Yeah. Woman gets engaged to AI fian after.

[Joe Getty]

5 months oh, you really should get to know your AI fiance better.

[Jack Armstrong]

5 months is pretty quick, but you know, if you're in love, you're in love. I was gonna go with I feel like I'm going crazy. Chat GPT fuels, delusional spirals. But yours sounds more fun. Proceed. Woman gets engaged to AI fiance after.

[Joe Getty]

Five months and insists she's fully aware what she's doing.

[Jack Armstrong]

What I couldn't tell from reading the interview and the only reason I bring.

[Joe Getty]

This to you is I couldn't tell if it was just somebody trying to get attention online or just absolutely completely nutty.

[Jack Armstrong]

She fell in love with an AI bot and we've heard about this sort of thing, so I don't know exactly sure what getting engaged means. Did the freaking AI bot proposed to her?

[Joe Getty]

Might have.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. Wow. What an intriguing question. I I was just gonna say this person is either an attention whore or a a crazy person.

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Ugh.

[Joe Getty]

Come on.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Taking me too literal from Eminem and.

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[Jack Armstrong]

I had to look in the mirror.

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I travel the world for him.

[Jack Armstrong]

Without Eminem, I wouldn't have the life I have right now.

What's your first question?

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