The A&G Replay Thursday Hour Four

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: The A&G Replay Thursday Hour Four
Date: December 25, 2025
Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode features Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty’s candid, spirited discussion on major political and social issues in America, with their trademark humor and irreverence. Key themes include the distinction between legal and illegal immigration, political inconsistencies and rhetoric in enforcement, Israel’s geopolitical stance, American foundational structures, and the performative nature of political protest. The hour also features lighter personal moments and reflections on aging, currency, and viral media.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Legal vs. Illegal Immigration: The Ongoing Debate

(03:22—16:19)

• Conflation of Terms: The hosts stress the critical difference between legal and illegal immigration and express frustration at the frequent conflation by media, activists, and politicians.
  • Jack Armstrong (03:22): "Quit conflating illegal and legal immigration. Have a grown up discussion or I won't even engage with you."
  • Joe Getty (04:21): “It has astonished me the number of people who are willing to engage on the bizarre terms of the other side."
• Trump’s Deportation Policies: The discussion covers the evolving policy approaches from the Trump administration, especially the tension between hardline approaches advocated by figures like Stephen Miller and the disruptive effects on industries.
  • Jack Armstrong (05:11): Explains the ambiguity and shifting stances in Trump’s messaging—both promising mass deportation and acknowledging its potential disruption.
• Business Needs vs. Law Enforcement: The Wall Street Journal profile on meatpacking highlights dependency on immigrant labor. The hosts question whether the term “immigrant” is being used to obscure the illegal status of workers.
  • Jack Armstrong (07:59): “Immigrant workers. Are they illegal or are they legal? ...Did you just blur the line between legal and illegal? Of course.”
• Effect on Essential Industries: They note the reliance of farming, meat processing, landscaping, etc., on undocumented labor, doubting the accuracy of official estimates.
  • Jack Armstrong (14:14): “Landscaping. Almost a fifth of landscapers are here illegally. ...In California it sure got to be higher than that.”

2. Political Leadership and Responsibility

(09:11—16:19)

• Mixed Signals from Leadership: Detailed analysis of inconsistent policy statements, particularly in the Trump White House and DHS, and the lack of legislative (Congressional) initiative.
  • Joe Getty (10:38): “Trump’s got a team of rivals to a large extent. ...You get conflicting messages coming out.”
• Host's Prescription: Armstrong insists on following the law or changing it, urging Congress to finally act.
  • Jack Armstrong (13:01): “Enforce the damn law. And if it’s so disruptive ...then maybe Congress says, I suppose we better deal with this.”

3. Israel, Nuclear Iran, and Global Diplomacy

(19:35—23:34)

• Douglas Murray’s Perspective: The show features quotes and analysis from Douglas Murray’s speech on Israel’s pre-emptive stance against a nuclear Iran, with hosts commenting on the hypocrisy of international condemnation versus secret approval.
  • Douglas Murray (via Michael at 19:44 and 21:25): “Everyone in the Middle East will condemn Israel... and then they will go back to their homes and say in private, ‘Thank God for Israel.’”
  • Joe Getty (20:34): “Everybody knows Israel has the most at stake in preventing Iran from having nukes.”
• Historical Parallels: Referencing Israel’s strike on Iraq’s nuclear facility in 1981, and the subsequent shift from public condemnation to private gratitude, underscoring the disconnect between public pronouncement and private interest in international politics.

4. American Institutions and Their Roots

(23:42—27:25)

• Biblical Basis for Government: Listener mail raises the idea that the three branches of American government are rooted in a biblical verse (Isaiah 33:24), leading to a brief, lighthearted discussion about governance and the origins of institutional frameworks.
  • Joe Getty (23:46): “I see judicial, legislative and executive right there in Scripture.”

5. Personal Reflections: Birthdays, Milestones, and Life’s Pace

(27:44—31:32)

• Joe Getty's 60th Birthday: Joe shares reflections on aging, the passage of time, and reconnecting with family. The hosts humorously list notable people who share Joe’s birthday.
• Nostalgia and Life Lessons: The conversation blends humor and sentiment, connecting generational perspectives on life transitions and achievements.

6. Politics, Media, and Partisan Dynamics

(31:32—34:58)

• No Middle Ground: An emailer and the hosts contend the left has abandoned consensus in favor of reflexive opposition to Trump, regardless of issue.
• Poll Shifts and Media Tone: Armstrong notes a change in mainstream media's tone towards Trump, correlating it to poll numbers and suggesting a more pragmatic coverage of Trump’s political presence.
  • Jack Armstrong (33:06): “Much more treating him like a regular president. I mean, maybe he has a point sort of tone.”

7. Gender, Sports, and Congressional Votes

(34:58—35:29)

• A discussion of a recent House vote on girls’ sports protection highlights partisan divides and media framing on gender-related legislation.
  • Jack Armstrong (35:06): “They're so scared of the nutty left that they were that uniform in being against that.”

8. The Value of Pennies and Consumer Behavior

(35:33—38:34)

• End of the Penny: In the context of copper prices, the hosts riff on the uselessness of pennies, generational shifts in currency use, and the symbolic heartstrings attached to outdated norms.
  • Jack Armstrong (36:40): “Get a hundred random people... leave a penny on the ground... Almost nobody's going to bend over to pick up a penny, which is proof that it is worthless.”

9. Protest Culture and Government Workers as Civil Rights Icons

(41:56—45:57)

• Satirical Song Segment: The hosts parody modern protest anthems, mocking attempts to compare budget cuts for government workers to historic civil rights struggles.
  • Joe Getty (44:02): “It's just so nakedly a strategy of... We've got to change these incremental cuts... into the civil rights issue of our day.”
  • Jack Armstrong (45:44): “The great civil rights issue of our day is making sure mid-level government employees who do something that you can't even tell what it is, don't lose their jobs.”

10. Viral Media & Listener Interaction

(46:21—47:59)

• Show in Pop Culture: Listener Katie shares that the show appeared in a viral TikTok, illustrating the show’s reach and its place in fans’ daily lives.
  • Joe Getty (47:07): “We made Tick Tock. I hope Xi Jinping doesn’t purge that clip because it mentions the flaming anti-communists Armstrong and Getty.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Immigration Framing:
  • Jack Armstrong (03:22): “Quit conflating illegal and legal immigration. Have a grown up discussion or I won’t even engage with you.”
  • Joe Getty (04:41): “Make your argument… Why we need illegal immigration. But don't start with the Statue of Liberty and we're all immigrants and crap like that. Jesus.”
• On Policy Consistency:
  • Jack Armstrong (13:01): “Enforce the damn law. And if it’s so disruptive in so many states that people are howling, then maybe Congress says, ‘I suppose we better deal with this.’”
• On International Double Standards:
  • Douglas Murray (19:44): “Everyone in the Middle East will condemn Israel… and then they will go back to their homes and say in private, ‘Thank God for Israel.’”
• On Social Protest Mimicry:
  • Jack Armstrong (43:36): “People want to relive that [60s protest] all the time, even if that issue doesn't exist right now.”
• On Government Spending Protests:
  • Joe Getty (44:02): “It’s just so nakedly a strategy of… turning incremental cuts… into the civil rights issue of our day.”
• On Birthdays and Time:
  • Joe Getty (28:50): “I was so miserable… because of my back, and I feel so much better now. I feel like I’m de-aging or something.”
• On Currency’s Value:
  • Jack Armstrong (36:40): “Almost nobody's going to bend over to pick up a penny, which I think is proof it is worthless.”
• On TikTok Virality:
  • Joe Getty (47:07): “We made Tick Tock. I hope Xi Jinping doesn’t purge that clip because it mentions the flaming anti-communists Armstrong and Getty.”

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Noteworthy Segments and Timestamps

• Immigration Rhetoric and Law Enforcement: 03:22—16:19
• Douglas Murray/Israel & Iran: 19:35—23:34
• Biblical Roots for US Government: 23:42—27:25
• Personal Reflections on Turning 60: 27:44—31:32
• Politics, Media, and Party Strategy: 31:32—34:58
• Debate Over Currency/Copper Prices: 35:33—38:34
• Satirical Government Protest Song: 41:56—45:57
• Show Mentioned in Viral TikTok: 46:21—47:59

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Conclusion

This engaging episode of Armstrong & Getty blends sharp political critique with humor, applying a skeptical lens to immigration policy, government spending, media coverage, and protest culture. It oscillates between the urgent (immigration enforcement, Middle Eastern geopolitics) and the everyday (Joe's birthday, pocket change, and podcast virality), displaying the show's signature mix of wit, cultural commentary, and skepticism of authority. The central thread is a call for honesty and clarity—whether in politics, media, or protest—anchored by Armstrong & Getty's distinctive voice.

Transcript

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[Joe Getty]

And now, here's Armstrong and getting strong.

[Jack Armstrong]

We love immigrants. We love you dude. You should love immigrants, you stupid mother. So that's somebody yelling at protesters saying we love immigrants and you should too, you stupid mfer. Once again, as people always do. In fact, I'm about to have that in the story we're going to do from the Wall Street Journal. Quit conflating illegal and legal immigration. Have a grown up discussion or I won't even engage with you. Unless you're going to point out that there's a difference, that there's two different things. I'm not talking to you. That's what everybody should say. That's what. That's what every Republican should say when they go on those Sunday talk shows. Okay, I got to stop you right there. If you're going to pretend that we're talking about legal immigration when it's illegal or illegal when it's legal and keep going back and forth by using one word. I'm not having this discussion. If you would like to act like a grown up and have a distinction between the two things, we can engage.

[Joe Getty]

Something we've been saying going on three decades now, 30 years. It has astonished me the number of people who are willing to engage on the bizarre terms of the other side. Like you're describing. What are you doing? Are you just a coward? Do you have no confidence in your own conclusions and intellect?

[Jack Armstrong]

That's what I don't say. Make your argument you believe in illegal immigration. Make your argument your argument. Sway me or sway the American people on why we need illegal immigration. But don't Start with the Statue of Liberty and we're all immigrants and crap like that. Jesus. What are you doing?

[Joe Getty]

Anybody who got backed up and stymied by that on our side of the aisle, you're an idiot. Get out of the way. I don't know what to say. They invoked the Statue of Liberty. They make a pretty good point.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, so we got into this yesterday and there's an update on the story in the Wall Street Journal. It's confusing. So Trump ran on deporting all illegals, and then polling showed 2/3 of American wanted every non documented immigrant deported. Then Trump vows the biggest deportation program in world history. And then you got his guy, Stephen Miller, one of his main advisors, who actually does want to deport everybody who's here illegally. And then they start last week or week before, as we all know, raids of farms and restaurants where they were grabbing people that were just here illegally, not with criminal records in all cases, and round them up to try to boot them out with the caveat that they are here illegally. That is the law. It's not. It's not. It's not insane to want to enforce the law. That's not crazy. It's just very disruptive. But anyway, let me read from the Wall Street Journal.

[Joe Getty]

It's also not nearly as popular as you portrayed it. We quibble about this all the time. Those two thirds of people did not mean that. They just didn't know. It's like the flip of people take Trump seriously, but. Or not literally, but seriously. And it ought to be vice versa. Stephen Miller, you need to take literally. He wants to deport everybody.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't care. It's illegal to be here without documentation. It's illegal. So either come up with a new law or boot them out is my position. My preference would be to come up with a new law, but you can't just decide, you know, it'd be disruptive. So we'll ignore this law like you said yesterday. Which other laws can we do? Can we ignore? How about the tax law? I don't like some of those.

[Joe Getty]

Start with taxes.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think some of them are really over the top.

[Joe Getty]

Wrong.

[Jack Armstrong]

Can we just ignore those?

[Joe Getty]

I understand on principle you can't do that. You shout. We've been doing it for 50 years, 365 days a year.

[Jack Armstrong]

The rubber's meeting the road. At some point you got to enforce. You got to enforce the law or change the law. Two choices. Yeah, so maybe enforcing the law is a good way to be a. What do you call that? Something mechanism.

[Joe Getty]

Well, Force the issue to.

[Jack Armstrong]

To force Congress to actually change the law or people to start running on changing the law. Nobody ever talks about it. Who's come out in the last couple of weeks with their. The law they'd like to pass? I've had this written that my lawyers look over it. This is what I think the law should be. Who's with me? I haven't heard a single person say that.

[Joe Getty]

I made the joke last week that I was going to drop a C bomb on the air. The. The C word. You just can't ever say Congress. How often do you hear Congress needs act in this discussion right now? Practically never.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm going to use up all my time before I get to this because I thought it was damned interesting. When federal agents raided Glen Valley Foods in Omaha, Nebraska, last they arrested about 75 of the meat processor's workers, roughly half the production line. The following day, the plant was operating at 15% capacity and a skeleton crew strained to fill orders. Chief executive Gary Roher can't see a future that doesn't include immigrant workers. Immigrant workers. Are they illegal or are they legal? God dang it. I don't know if I'm mad at the guy because. Did he say that?

[Joe Getty]

I don't know, though.

[Jack Armstrong]

There's not quotes around that. Wall Street Journal. Did you just blur the line between legal and illegal? Of course. They're pro open borders because they're pro big business. God, that makes me mad. Is the guy saying, I can't see a future that doesn't include illegal immigration or these people should be made legal? Anyway, I'll just get back to the story. The chief executive said he can't see a future that doesn't include immigrant workers. Without them, there wouldn't be an industry. So then they go through President Trump's aggressive deportation and he's got people within his cabinet that actually want everybody booted out. And then there are people that don't want everybody booted out.

[Joe Getty]

So Trump.

[Jack Armstrong]

Again, like he often does, commenting like he's a bystander or he's doing a talk radio show and it's not his administration comments like Friday or Saturday and says, we can't be booting out, you know, people that have been here for years, working hard, can we? I mean, that'd be very disruptive. Oh, it's your program. You're the president. What you. What do you want to do as.

[Joe Getty]

A trial balloon, just in a different form than past administrations have sent them up.

[Jack Armstrong]

But the Department of Homeland Security last week, DHS directed Immigration officers to pause arrests at farms, restaurants and hotels, stressing that sweeps should focus on people here illegally of criminal backgrounds. Okay, fine. But at the same time, DHS appeared to walk back its own directive. I don't know if somebody wrote that without Kristi Noem's knowledge or something like that. In a letter to Immigration and Customs Enforcement leadership over the weekend, Homeland Security Secretary, that's a person in charge of that very organization I was just mentioning that said let's, let's not deport people who are just here working. Kristi Noem doubled down on the administration's efforts to abort millions of people living in the country illegally. We must dramatically intensify arrest and removal operations nationwide. This is non negotiable as a national priority.

[Joe Getty]

Right, okay, well, plan accordingly.

[Jack Armstrong]

Is your department that just said the day before not to. So where are you on this? Or maybe she doesn't know where the President is on this.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know. It's pretty clear to me what is happening. And I remember the first Trump administration was famously undisciplined in its messaging and like the coherence of the team. Trump's got a team of rivals to a large extent. And, and they all have access to social media and media leaks in a way that like Lincoln's team of rivals didn't. Plus, so you get conflicting messages coming out, breaking news.

[Jack Armstrong]

Secretary Stewart did not tweet. That's your breaking news.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, true. And the second thing is that Trump is more than willing to send a message to the business community. Yeah, we got to go easy on the meat in the hotels and the agriculture. We got to go easy on that. Then simultaneously truth out to the base. We're booting them all out, every single one of them. Pack your bags, folks, and, and everybody hears what they want to hear. Watch what they do, not what they say.

[Jack Armstrong]

Christy Gnome went on to say, first, she made sure her hair was cascading lovely around her shoulders.

[Joe Getty]

Regloster swollen lips.

[Jack Armstrong]

And the lighting was okay, so she looks like she's on the COVID of, I don't know, some fancy magazine. ICE agents will be judged every day by how many arrests you, your teammates in your office are able to effectuate. Failure is not an option. I would take that as a threat of my job of, like, if I don't have, if I don't meet my goal numbers, I'm going to get, I'm going to lose my job.

[Joe Getty]

Interestingly though, she threads the needle in her next statement. If you were going to go there, go there.

[Jack Armstrong]

Go ahead.

[Joe Getty]

But she said your workplace raids will remain a cornerstone of the president's deportation plan. There will be no safe spaces for industries who harbor violent criminals. Wait a minute. Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's different. That's threading the needle. Or purposely try to undermine ICE's efforts. Well, what if I'm just running Joe's Meat Packing plant and we just package up our delicious pork chops with the help of some folks whose paperwork looks a little fishy, but they work hard and they're nice people. I'm not harboring violent criminals and I'm not undermining anyone.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think you should start booting out everybody. Just start booting out everybody because it's the law. And you can until Congress acts, which might take a week, by the way.

[Joe Getty]

You know, I see what you're driving at now.

[Jack Armstrong]

Enforce the damn law. And if it's so disruptive in so many states that people are howling, then maybe Congress says, I suppose we better deal with this.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, maybe he could come out hand in hand with Chuck Schumer. That'd be a puke worthy image. And Trump would say, look, my base won't let us pass serious immigration law. And Schumer says, neither will mine. And then we reckon with it. I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

So Trump was asked on the plane as he was flying back if there would still be exemptions on ICE raids for certain industries. Trump said on Air Force One last night as he was flying back to the United States. Everyone is being looked at, but the bigger problem is the cities. Right now, I don't know what that answer means. So the Wall Street Journal has a little graph. Industries with the highest share of workers who are likely undocumented. You mean here illegally? You mean they're illegal immigrants? Wall Street Journal taking the language of the left to soften illegal immigration for obvious reasons in my mind, but landscaping. Almost a fifth of landscapers are here illegally. Private households.

[Joe Getty]

Only a fifth.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I think they're undershooting that. But private households said, be like nannies and you know, whatever else help you' from. It's almost 20% every services to buildings and dwellings. So that would be all the people doing all the maintenance around your big building and all that sort of stuff. It's about 18. It looks like in this graph. Graph. Crop production. This has got to be low. 17% crop production maybe. I don't know about the rest of the country, but in California it sure got to be higher than that. Animals slaughtering and processing. What a good work. If you can get it a better term for that. The meat.

[Joe Getty]

How'd it go today, honey?

[Jack Armstrong]

Good.

[Joe Getty]

Killed about 15 cows.

[Jack Armstrong]

That last one really struggled though. It's hard to get him down.

[Joe Getty]

Way to go, dad.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's looks like 16, 17. I think those numbers are low too, but it's.

[Joe Getty]

And I'm sorry, were those. Those numbers were illegals. Yeah, that's right. Because you ranted, raped about undocumented.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, we're land of immigrants. I don't know if you're aware of that.

[Joe Getty]

Give me your huddled masses and have them kill cows for a living.

[Jack Armstrong]

If we. I'll tell you this. This will be my. I'm giving myself the final word. For me, if we go through. If we go through this moment without either enforcing the law or changing the law, it will never happen.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, you read my mind.

[Jack Armstrong]

And we'll just have an underground brown working class that does stuff we don't want to do, that we can exploit for lower wages and not give them all the perks that you would get as a US citizen and. And whatever.

[Joe Getty]

Right. With the full support of the America's left which is constantly shouting about equity and the rest of it. Yes, equity for all. Except for my maid. Say the limousine liberals keeping in mind.

[Jack Armstrong]

While Trump throwing about deporting everyone while he was running for president, he got half of Hispanic males to vote for him. Yeah, as a Republican candidate.

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[Joe Getty]

Douglas Murray, the fabulous British thinker gave this speech. I believe it was 13 years ago. He was right then. He is right now. Now let's hit it. Michael.

[Michael]

When Israel is pushed to the situation it will be pushed to of having to believe they mean it. And when every bit of jiggery pokery behind the scenes runs out, and when the UN and distinguished figures have run out of time and Iran is about to produce its first bomb, Israel will strike every single country, including the this one will condemn Israel. Everyone in The Middle east will condemn Israel, and they will go back to their homes and they will say in private, thank God for Israel. The Saudis, the Bahrainis, the Egyptians, the Libyans, the Lebanese. Everybody will say, thank God they did it, because nobody else would.

[Joe Getty]

Everybody knows Israel has the most at stake in preventing Iran from having nukes. And everybody's known for a very long time, as Murray put it so eloquently, that they would make sure that it won't happen. And so everybody else had the lovely. And still has the lovely luxury of saying, we're against violence and for diplomacy, Israel, with their violence and the attacks, we don't approve. And then they go to their homes and say, thank God they did us.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I saw a number of people over the weekend say this really sets back the ability to negotiate. Actually, Rand Paul said that, among other people. Here we were in the midst of negotiations, and Israel did this. This is not helpful at all.

[Joe Getty]

You're.

[Jack Armstrong]

And you're nuts.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Wow. That is just delusional. Let's go roll on with Mr. Murray.

[Michael]

The proposition being put before you tonight is that you have a choice between war and. And an Iran with the bomb. You have a choice, as has been said before, between war and dishonor. You will choose dishonor this evening, and you'll get war. You have the choice between a war with a nuclear Iran or a war at some point with an Iran that is not nuclear, which you stop from ever being nuclear, and hope that in stopping that regime, in embedding itself, you will give the Iranian people the best chance they will have of overthrowing that regime. But as I say, thank God this doesn't rely on you or any Europeans because you've made the same mistake before, and nobody should trust you to get it right this time.

[Jack Armstrong]

So it was in 1981 that Israel took out a nuclear facility. At that time, was it. Who was it the Iraqis that were getting close to having a nuclear weapon?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And it was Prime Minister Menachem Begin at the time who made that call. And Reagan said that that was awful. And just. Just like Douglas Morley later, the whole world condemned it. And then Prime Minister Begin, after his office out of office, was given the Medal of Freedom by Dick Cheney years later, because in reality, behind closed doors, we were happier than hell that Israel did what had to be done.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. I'm cynical enough to get how domestic politics influence the pronouncements you make about foreign relations, even if behind the scenes, your actual policies are very different than the pronouncements but it just. I get sick of it. You know, I'm just. It's, it's so obvious. If it's obvious to us and Douglas Murray. I mean, it's obvious to a lot of people what's going on. Now I understand why Mohammed bin Salman has to pretend for the quote unquote Arab Street. You remember when that was a popular term? Anyway, I get why he has to pretend to condemn it and the rest of it, but our leaders, please just so phony.

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[Joe Getty]

Stephen sent this along did the God fearing founders of America arrive at the three branches of government? From the Bible? This is from Isaiah, 33rd chapter, 24th verse for Jehovah is our Judge, Jehovah is our lawgiver, Jehovah is our King, he is the one who will save us. I see judicial, legislative and executive right there in Scripture. I think you know that reflects the ancient reality that when human beings associate, they need someone to make up the rules.

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[Joe Getty]

Then figure out how are we going to enforce these rules and what if there's a disagreement? I think it's as simple as that. But yeah, it's interesting indeed that it goes way back to the Old Testament. The Bible. That's right, sir. What we're talking about. Mailbag. You can drop us a note anytime you like.

[Jack Armstrong]

Michael.

[Joe Getty]

Always appropriate Drop us a note Mailbag atarmstrong and getty.com this first email references the fact that today is indeed my birthday. Not only that, it is my 60th birthday. I know you're thinking Joe, you seem so youthful and clever.

[Jack Armstrong]

That can't be true.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I know.

[Jack Armstrong]

Have you checked the math on that?

[Joe Getty]

I know, I know. Jack and I first connected in our mid-20s. We were 25. Yeah, that seems only remember like three things between then and now. Two of them were brothers of children.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's sorry that seems like. And I know if you're 40, this seems weird, maybe. Or certainly if you're 25, that seems like six years ago.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, roughly.

[Jack Armstrong]

Seems like about six years ago.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. It's crazy.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's nuts.

[Joe Getty]

And I've received a lot of well wishes, which is lovely and very, very much appreciated. And it's funny, it's Tuesday. It's a work day. I've got my kids arriving in town this week, which is big fun.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is awesome.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, it is awesome. And I'm looking forward to reconnecting in various ways. My son and I. I picked him up at the airport, give him a big hug, and then we philosop the entire way home from the airport, which is what we do. My eldest, my youngest daughter and I spar and joke and kid each other. And so it's. It's just fun reconnecting. It's been great. But happy birthday, Joe. Thank you, Michael. Appreciate it. Hopefully Hanson and Katie will get you something. And as to the whole, you know, I don't need anything. As to the old 60 thing, which seems like such a milestone. You know, it's funny, I. I was so miserable, like, a year ago because of my back problems, and I feel so much better now. I feel like I'm de. Aging or something. I'm not, Lord knows, but. So I don't feel old. I feel younger than I used to. So I don't know. I just.

[Katie]

Let's.

[Jack Armstrong]

Let's just keep doing what we're doing.

[Joe Getty]

Let's have fun. Let's do this show, let's play some golf, let's enjoy a nice glass of wine and just as opposed to what? Not big on milestones.

[Jack Armstrong]

As opposed to what? Lay down in front of a train. I mean, is that the other option or.

[Joe Getty]

Well, no, no, no. I'm just. I've never been huge about milestones. It's like when I graduated from college, I was like, all right, what's next? I just. I didn't weep.

[Jack Armstrong]

And.

[Joe Getty]

And. And maybe I lack the ability to reflect properly on things as they pass, but certainly when my kids moved out, that was a big thing that I'm like, yeah, okay, thanks. Great.

[Jack Armstrong]

Let's.

[Joe Getty]

Let's get on with life. Anyway, so this is from David Areno, with whom I apparently share a birthday. In fact, here are some other famous people that we share a birthday with. I was aware of some of these people, not all of them. Jeb Bush. I'm sorry, That's Jeb with an exclamation point. Sarah Palin oh, lipstick.

[Jack Armstrong]

How old is she? You guys are probably about the same age, aren't you? You and Sarah Palin.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, we could date. But just gonna remind Judy that now and again, Sarah Palin and I, we got a connection. Anyway. Alex Jones. Oh, great, the Thomas Edison. What order is this?

[Jack Armstrong]

This is a good list you've got.

[Joe Getty]

Good in a way. Alex Jones.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, sharing. Sharing day with a big. With your birthday with other people. Thomas Edison. That's a big one.

[Joe Getty]

That is a big one. Although, you know, my great. Well, I'll, I'll finish some of the list.

[Jack Armstrong]

Your mom's fault.

[Joe Getty]

It is, I know. Just always in a hurry and I'll explain that in a moment. But Leslie Nielsen, the great Burt Reynolds, Jennifer Aniston, and other people who don't matter. But I've always been resentful that I was one day short of sharing a birthday with my great hero, Abraham Lincoln.

[Jack Armstrong]

Which would be cool.

[Joe Getty]

I get Burt Reynolds. Traded the beard for the mustache, I guess. What are you gonna do? Moving along. Moving along with Mailbag and the question of the Democrats going crazy. And JT read an interesting Victor Davis Hansen piece about that. But to put it bluntly, the left has abandoned this common sense approach of finding middle ground, working together. Ever since Trump came down that escalator, they've abandoned any effort to seek common ground. The result is what VDH writes about in his article, anti Americanism, anti rule of law, anti equality in favor of equal outcomes, and even anti reality. If Trump was for opening schools based on the science, they were against it. When Trump wants to control the border, they want to leave it wide open. When Trump wants to report illegal aliens guilty of terrible crimes, they want to fight to keep murderers, rapists and gang members in the country. When Trump wants to save taxpayers billions or trillions of wasteful government spending dollars, they want to fight for the wasteful government spending. There is no common ground to be found in a party that's hell bent on opposing everything Trump wants to do. It's, it's a bizarre sort of politics.

[Jack Armstrong]

Just dumb. I like your strategy of I would hang back and wait for something to go wrong because it inevitably will on the world stage, domestically something, and then take your shots. The trying to turn what's going in right now into something bad. You ain't going to do it. There's too much public support. I felt like there was a different tone on the evening newscasts last night, and I blame slash. Credit it to that CBS poll that came out Sunday with Trump having a 53% approval rating. I felt like I could hear that 53% approval rating and David Muir's voice as they were covering Trump yesterday at the beginning of the evening newscast. Much more treating him like a regular president. I mean, maybe he has a point sort of tone. I, you know, maybe I'm making that up, but I really feel like that. And, oh, no, they should be. They should be. There should have been somebody in that news director meeting and all of those newscasts saying, hey, look, people, he's got a 53% approval rating after all of this craziness has happened. So maybe other people don't think it's as crazy as we do. Maybe we ought to look at it slightly different. I mean, they'd be nuts if they weren't doing that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I don't have any great admiration for politicians brains and wisdom and the rest of it. I think most of them are hacks and greedheads. But I would think they would at least perceive, A, what you just said and B, that the frantic. The sky is falling. He's a Russian agent. He's going to kill millions of people. With COVID I don't trust his vaccine. Now that it's our vaccine, jab it into yourself, whether you like it or not. I mean, just the systematic. He wants the borders closed. Open up the borders. Let rapists. And having seen how miserably all that failed, I would think they would at least say, hey, let's talk about this for a couple of weeks and figure out what to do. But instead they're, I mean, full speed ahead, moron. Maxine Waters screeching at security guards at the Department of Energy and Chuck Schumer bellowing, we will fight in the streets. What are you gonna fight in the streets? Exactly. Anyway, we're kind of getting off on a tangent away from Mailbag, which is fine. A number of people have sent the screenshots, not House votes on the protection of women and girls in Sports Act. Republicans 216 to nothing. Yay. With two Democrat votes joining them. But Democrats were 206 to 2 against protecting. Protecting girls in sports.

[Jack Armstrong]

I didn't know that.

[Joe Getty]

Well, in the caption is imagine being the party that accuses the other party of hating women, then voting against women. The hypocrisy's breath. Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

They're so scared of the nutty left that they were that uniform. And being against that, my.

[Joe Getty]

Wait a minute. Bone is a humming. I want to check those numbers to verify them. Don't take that to the back.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Because that strikes me as I've received it from a bunch of people, it says it appears to be a screen capture from Fox News, but it's easy to make things appear to be something they're not.

[Jack Armstrong]

Definitely, Definitely.

[Joe Getty]

That'll do for now. Sprinkle in some more later.

[Jack Armstrong]

Copper is already up, up two and a half percent. This was yesterday. I haven't looked today because of the announcement of ending the penny. That's almost 15% so far this year. And it's early February, so the return on keeping pennies in a jar is beating interest earned by keeping cash in the bank, currently, at least for pennies.

[Joe Getty]

I shouldn't have chucked him away all these years.

[Jack Armstrong]

You. Would you actually throw them away or.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, no, no, no. First of all, fence. And I would call the fence.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, good Lord. I know it's your birthday.

[Jack Armstrong]

I can't have you destroying currency.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, no, I just leave them places for people to find them.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that's nice.

[Joe Getty]

I'll leave them on counters or whatever.

[Jack Armstrong]

I can't tell if that's nice or just like super. The opposite. Here's a penny to the proletariat. I hope they have a good day. I left them a plenty.

[Joe Getty]

I don't address them to their face like that. I just leave it. And fellow oligarchs like me will pass it by and say, I'm not picking up that filthy piece of copper. But the poor might appreciate my alms.

[Jack Armstrong]

I feel like that's the way that. We'll take a break for Katie's headlines. I've said for years that's the way they should judge whether or not we should keep currency. Get a hundred random people, maybe do it in an airport or bus station or something like that. You leave a penny on the ground, a nickel of the ground, on the dime on the ground. What percentage of people bend over to pick it up? Almost nobody's going to bend over to pick up a penny. Me. Which is proof that it is worthless. I don't know about the nickel. Almost everybody, I think, would pick up the dime. But nickel? I'm not exactly sure. You're, you're, you're sour on the nickel. I still think a nickel is something, but practically nobody's going to bend over to pick up a penny, which I think is.

[Joe Getty]

I don't think I've spent 27 hours in the last year with any change in my pocket.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, no and no.

[Joe Getty]

And if you're.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you're under the age of 40, you don't. You haven't spent an hour with any money in your pocket at all in the last year. Younger people. I know just the idea of having money in your pocket seems insane. Why would you do that?

[Katie]

Yes, Katie, another big indicator. The numerous shops on Etsy of people drilling holes in pennies and turning them into keychains.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Katie]

When that penny jewelry everywhere.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh really?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

When that's happening, your currency is no longer how did it take till now for Trump to say we nobody, we don't need the penny.

[Joe Getty]

It's that weird clinging to what is status quo. Whether it's a government, programmers, the schools or whatever. We just were terrified by the idea of re examining things and asking the only question that matters. Is this working Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

But then we adopt as a country or get scared into adopting. All of a sudden dudes can participate in girls sports and there's no such thing as men's and women's restrooms. I mean, so how does that sweep the nation? At the same time we're unwilling to, you know, do away with the time change that we all hate or the penny, which is worthless.

[Joe Getty]

It's bullying, that's how bullying, I guess by radicals.

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[Joe Getty]

Meanwhile, Jack, I've discovered what I believe to be the we shall overcome of 2025. The we are the world of the 21st century. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you which side are you on?

[Jack Armstrong]

Which side are you on? Which side are you on? Rally in Wasiw which side are you on? Which side are you on? We'll fight against Josh we'll fight Elon Musk no we landscape within our walls we'll fight from dawn to dusk oh, which side are you on? Which side are you on?

[Joe Getty]

I'm on whichever side ensures I never have to hear the song Again. Play it, Michael. Play it, damn it. Did somebody tell you?

[Jack Armstrong]

Turn it off. He wants us all to fail. He wants us to. To bow to him, but we want him in jail. Oh, my God. Wow. You know, I. I don't forget who wrote this or said this, and I thought it was really good. One of the problems we got going on in America is we. We had this period in the 60s where there was a whole bunch of late 50s, mid-60s, particularly where we had all kinds of this sort of thing. Songs and protests and, you know, the. Look at the Bob Dylan movie and the Civil Rights act and different sorts of things where there was, like, a real major issue to be dealt with and. And people rallied around and there was a. Which side? Where you're on. And people.

[Joe Getty]

It was righteous.

[Jack Armstrong]

It was righteous. And people want to relive that all the time, even if that issue doesn't exist right now. And you can't, like, put that level of intensity on Doge. He's trying to cut spending by a few percent and shrink the government. Which side are you on? Which side are you on, Elon? Thanks for asking. Staunchly. It's not the moral question of our time as.

[Joe Getty]

As you. Exactly. As you point out, it's just so nakedly a strategy of. We've got to change these incremental cuts that aren't nearly enough to a bloated federal workforce into the civil rights issue of our day.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, good luck with that.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, you want to talk about trying to make a silk purse out of a sowsier that's like a silk purse out of the pig's crap, never mind its ear.

[Jack Armstrong]

God, this not gonna work. The singing, the lyrics. Was that a Saturday Night Live bit? Good Lord, don't take that government buyout. Don't listen to Trump's lies. US Workers haven't got a chance. And let's reorganize.

[Joe Getty]

No, it's just the union pretending that the union is standing up for goodness and righteousness, when indeed they're just standing up for continuing that have way too many workers paying way too many dues to enrich themselves. We're on to you, friend.

[Jack Armstrong]

I sure hope I'm right about this, and I think. But the vast majority of America doesn't look at government jobs as sacrosanct, protected by all that is good. They should never go away under any circumstances the way they think we do.

[Joe Getty]

Well, they have managed to jam through every bit of wasteful spending and redundant taxation and similar stuff for years and years. And we're most Familiar with California, but my God, by always. It's the teachers and the firefighters. If there are any cuts, it's gonna, you know, the firefighters are gonna have to fight fires with Dixie cups full of water. And the teachers, well, they're just gonna be imprisoned, apparently, if we don't pass this tax increase, well, now it's extended. Like all government workers who are sacrosanct and sacred and so valuable to society, we dare not question them for a minute.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. The great civil rights issue of our day is making sure mid level government employees who do something that you can't even tell what it is, don't lose their jobs. All right?

[Joe Getty]

No matter how unnecessary their jobs are. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

And there's also the issue, and I don't think Elon's been hammering this enough, although he has many times in his Twitter threads. There are important jobs and important agencies that are going to have to go away if you don't have enough money. It's like if you're broke, you really, really want to do this or that, but you can't. You just flat don't have the money. Money.

[Joe Getty]

Katie Green. What? What should we know about what we're about to play?

[Katie]

So I was scrolling through Tick Tock and this popped up on my for you page. And the. The visual of this, it's a woman filming it. Her husband is driving and he has headphones in and she's clearly talking at him, but he cannot hear her. And this is how it goes down.

[Joe Getty]

He thinks I talk too much. Can't get a word in edgewise when I'm talking to my girls. But we're on a road trip in a confined space and he's got earbuds.

[Jack Armstrong]

In listening to Armstrong and Goldie. Yeah, good man.

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[Jack Armstrong]

He can't.

[Katie]

He says he can't get a word in edgewise. And he's sitting there. He doesn't hear a thing she's saying because he's listening to you guys.

[Joe Getty]

That's funny. We made Tick Tock. I hope Xi Jinping doesn't purge that clip because it mentions the. The flaming anti communists Armstrong and Yeti.

[Jack Armstrong]

I. So you have Tick Tock on your phone or what do. How much do you enjoy it? It's.

[Katie]

It's okay. I mean, the algorithms, definitely. It catches my attention, but I try to, you know, not use it as much because the China thing, I wish.

[Jack Armstrong]

I could do it. I mean, I would like to. I would like to, but I'm not going to.

[Katie]

There's a lot of obnoxious crap on there, but somehow that algorithm put that video on my phone yesterday.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. Don't trust China knows where you work.

[Joe Getty]

It probably knows what radio show is beloved coast to coast.

[Katie]

Yeah, or it hears it through my phone when I'm on with you guys every day. I'm not sure, but I thought that was hilarious.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is.

[Joe Getty]

That's funny.

[Jack Armstrong]

Bring him back. He's not fat. That's a good chant.

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