The A&G Replay Wednesday Hour One

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand - Episode: The A&G Replay Wednesday Hour One

Release Date: November 27, 2024

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1. Opening Segment: Getting Personal with Katie Green

The episode kicks off with Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty engaging in a lighthearted conversation with Katie Green, the show's news anchor. They dive into personal questions, exploring Katie's fitness routines and past experiences.

• Push-Ups and Fitness:
  • Jack Armstrong (03:04): "Have you ever been arrested?"
  • Katie Green (04:08): "I am one of those. I need to get that 0.0 sticker for my car because I have never run a 10k and will never run a 10k."

2. Katie Green’s Middle School Misadventure

Katie shares a harrowing tale from her middle school days when she was wrongfully accused of stealing a Mercedes emblem. This incident was particularly traumatic as it involved false accusations, lengthy interrogations, and the eventual revelation of the true culprit.

• Katie Green (05:36): "Some kid ripped the Mercedes emblem off of the vice principal's car and stuck it in my backpack because I had come from a Christian school and he was all anti Jesus and God and all that."

• Jack Armstrong (06:14): "How many people did those passengers on Flight 93 save? It's a number that'll never be known."

3. The Importance of Integrity and Personal Responsibility

The conversation shifts to the importance of integrity, with Katie emphasizing her commitment to doing the right thing despite peer pressure. Jack relates this to his own experiences, highlighting the value of staying true to oneself.

• Jack Armstrong (03:33): "If it's fairly recently, that's okay. I've never. I don't like people telling me how."

• Joe Getty (05:02): "I'm three out of the last five days, I think. So I'm. I'm on a bit of a roll here, eating and exercising."

4. Honoring Heroes: The Story of Mark Sassville

A poignant segment discusses the heroism of Mark Sassville, an F-16 pilot who, during the 9/11 attacks, took drastic measures to prevent further tragedy. Jack narrates Sassville's brave decision to potentially ram a hijacked plane to save lives, underscoring the immense personal sacrifice involved.

• Jack Armstrong (14:08): "He and this other female pilot, Heather Penny, were ordered to go up. They were told to stop Flight 93 and considered ramming the plane."

• Joe Getty (16:23): "That's incredible. How many people did those passengers on Flight 93 save?"

5. Exploring Fame and Imposter Syndrome

The hosts delve into the pervasive issue of imposter syndrome, sharing personal anecdotes and discussing how even highly successful individuals like Conan O'Brien grapple with self-doubt. They emphasize that feeling like an imposter is common, regardless of one's achievements.

• Jack Armstrong (27:42): "Conan O'Brien's probably really closer to your era, Katie, as being the big late night king."

• Joe Getty (30:24): "I became aware that... everybody has it. Everybody has it. Don't worry about it."

• Katie Green (32:18): "I feel like they're probably just hiding it. Well, it's like a natural thing for someone to feel."

6. Technological Marvels: Experiencing the Sphere

Jack recounts his visit to the Sphere, a state-of-the-art concert venue known for its immersive technology. He describes the overwhelming sensory experience, including the 18K screen and advanced sound system that creates a lifelike environment. The discussion touches on the balance between technological immersion and personal sensory needs.

• Jack Armstrong (35:10): "It was like walking up a Mountain and 170,000 speakers. And it's really move at all? Yes. So that's cool."

• Katie Green (38:44): "Oh, boy."

• Joe Getty (43:28): "Why am I talking in this voice? I don't know. I'm going to ignore that attempted humor."

7. Reflections on Human Nature and Modern Challenges

The hosts ponder the complexities of modern human consciousness, questioning whether our brains are wired to handle the extended lifespans and psychological challenges of contemporary life. They humorously contrast this with the survival-focused lives of our ancestors.

• Jack Armstrong (29:39): "I wonder if that's the biggest problem modern humans have is our brains and consciousness just was not designed to go past, like, hardly past age 20."

• Joe Getty (28:02): "Life was so completely different for the first 99.9999% of mankind's existence."

8. Conan O'Brien: A Case Study in Consistent Self-Perception

A humorous and insightful discussion about Conan O'Brien highlights how despite immense success, Conan remains self-deprecating and grounded. Jack shares an amusing anecdote where Conan interacts with a fan, showcasing his unwavering humility.

• Jack Armstrong (36:43): "Conan O'Brien went to Harvard and was involved in National Lampoon there and then went on to write for the Simpsons and Saturday Night Live..."

• Conan O'Brien Clip (23:31): "This is just a guy who's also wearing a white shirt and a baseball cap, which is Pretty effing common."

9. Final Thoughts: Balancing Success and Personal Authenticity

The episode concludes with reflections on maintaining personal authenticity amidst success and societal expectations. The hosts encourage listeners to embrace their true selves, acknowledging that self-doubt is a universal experience that transcends achievements.

• Jack Armstrong (33:13): "I still like walking down the street in a suit. Feel like people can look at me and say what's that guy do wearing a suit for?"

• Joe Getty (33:27): "You think he borrowed that suit or stole it or something like he's trying to impress."

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Notable Quotes:

• Katie Green (03:33): "If it's fairly recently, that's okay. I've never. I don't like people telling me how."

• Jack Armstrong (14:08): "He and this other female pilot, Heather Penny, were ordered to go up. They were told to stop Flight 93 and considered ramming the plane."

• Joe Getty (30:24): "I became aware that... everybody has it. Everybody has it. Don't worry about it."

• Jack Armstrong (29:39): "I wonder if that's the biggest problem modern humans have is our brains and consciousness just was not designed to go past, like, hardly past age 20."

• Katie Green (38:44): "Oh, boy."

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Conclusion

In this episode of Armstrong & Getty On Demand, listeners are treated to a blend of personal anecdotes, deep reflections on human nature, heroic tales, and discussions on fame and self-perception. The hosts skillfully navigate through humor and serious topics, offering insightful commentary and relatable stories that resonate with a broad audience.

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Note: Advertisements, intros, outros, and non-content sections have been excluded from this summary to focus on the core discussions and insights of the episode.

Transcript

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

So back to the. Katie. Katie the news lady. We got a text with a couple of questions that I don't think we've ever asked for you before. I'll just read it this way. Katie Green is a great addition to Armstrong and Getty, a real pro. But I do have some questions. One, how many push ups can she do?

[Joe Getty]

What the hell?

[Katie Green]

You know, I don't. I don't know. I know that I've done. I think it was 28 and 30 seconds.

[Jack Armstrong]

How recently?

[Katie Green]

Like two months ago.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, that's pretty.

[Katie Green]

I think that number's probably gone up.

[Dan Snow]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

If it's fairly recently, that's okay. I've never. I don't like people telling me how. Like this always comes up with running 2006. This always comes up with running with me. And how. How long did it take you to run the 10k or whatever? I used to run a 10k or whatever. Yeah, how long ago was that? When's the last time you ran a 10k? And if you haven't done it in 15 years, I don't freaking care. All right? What difference does it make? Do it now.

[Joe Getty]

1978. By the way, as long as you asked.

[Jack Armstrong]

Literally the last time you ran.

[Joe Getty]

A 10k, it might have been 79.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm going to do one in the next year. That's what I'm building up to. I'm going to run a 10k in the next year.

[Katie Green]

I am one of those. I need to get that 0.0 sticker for my car because I have never run a 10k and will never run a 10k.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've never seen that. That's hilarious. 0.0 in the same font.

[Katie Green]

Yeah, that's perfect. And it says I don't run.

[Joe Getty]

If a bear chases me for 10km, I will do a 10k.

[Katie Green]

There you go.

[Jack Armstrong]

Turn to the bear and say, how long we going to do this? Because if it's going to be more than 6.1 miles, I might as well just lay down.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Why would I want you to eat me when I'm tired and you're tired? Let's just get this over.

[Jack Armstrong]

There's no advantage to either one of us.

[Katie Green]

Cut to the chase.

[Joe Getty]

Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Cut the chase to the catch. So you've done that many push ups fairly recently. That's a good chunk of push ups right there.

[Joe Getty]

I have not done a one since my back problem started last summer. So I think I need to start working my way back. I haven't even tried it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm. I'm three out of the last five days, I think. So I'm. I'm on a bit of a roll here, eating and exercising. Have you ever been arrested?

[Katie Green]

No.

[Jack Armstrong]

No.

[Joe Getty]

You.

[Jack Armstrong]

There was a. There's a hesitation.

[Katie Green]

No, there was a dumb situation when I was in middle school that it resulted in me getting in a lot of trouble momentarily before the truth came out.

[Jack Armstrong]

But you weren't arrested.

[Katie Green]

No, I've never been arrested.

[Jack Armstrong]

So your hesitation wasn't. Should I say this out loud on the air or not? Your hesitation was because I went through.

[Katie Green]

The most of the process. Everything other than getting booked. I went through the process of. Some kid ripped the Mercedes emblem off of the vice principal's car and stuck it in my backpack because I had come from a Christian school and he was all anti Jesus and God and all that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Katie Green]

And then told. And then told the school. And the best part was when the. The assistant principal came and got me from class. And she pulls me out and she says, you know, I think you have something of mine. And I'm like, oh, no. She goes, you might be wearing it around your neck. Because all the kids were, like, wearing the big fake car emblems around their chains.

[Jack Armstrong]

I remember that when that was a thing. Yeah, yeah.

[Katie Green]

And so I pulled out the Catholic, you know, the Celtic cross that my mom had got me. And I'm like, I'm clueless at this point. She opens my backpack, and there was a Mercedes emblem in there.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

So this kid went and said, katie Green stole the Mercedes emblem and was it in her back?

[Katie Green]

Said he saw me take it and he did it to another girl that transferred to the school from the same school with me. So we both got pulled into the office, and we're talking to the cops and.

[Joe Getty]

Well. And how long did it take you to straighten this out? Flavor Flav?

[Jack Armstrong]

How did you. How did you clear yourself? It.

[Katie Green]

It took about. I think I was in the office for four and a half hours writing a statement and everything. And then the whole time I'm going, my dad's a judge. Just call him. We'll clear this up. You know, because he was a judge at the time. And, yeah, it took a lot. It was traumatic.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, for some reason, this reminds me of one of my more embarrassing stories.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, no, before we get there, Katie, what does it take to become a judge? Because Jack knows this. I've been saying for years I ought to be a judge. Do you know why? Because I'm so judgmental.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes.

[Katie Green]

I didn't want to say it.

[Joe Getty]

I think I'd be really good at it. So did your dad get elected or was he an appointed judge or.

[Katie Green]

He was appointed by Duke Mahan.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, okay. A foreign governor of yesteryear.

[Katie Green]

Yes.

[Joe Getty]

Okay.

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Was he a TV judge?

[Katie Green]

A TV judge?

[Jack Armstrong]

Ever been on tv?

[Katie Green]

Oh, he can give Judge Judy a run for money.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I so want to be a TV judge. Anyway, Jack has an embarrassing story.

[Jack Armstrong]

Gladys. I was in high school. I believe I was a sophomore in the banned. And this is embarrassing for odd reasons. So the trumpet section had decided that during this rest. A rest. If you don't know music is silence or you'd stop playing. But in this case it was actually silence during the song. During the rest, all the trumpet players were gonna. I forget, what if the noise was even pretend to burp or something like that. So it was like about bada bada bada. But everybody was going to do that. And then. And I didn't. But all the other trumpet players did. And the band teacher went bat crazy. Like band teachers do over anything.

[Joe Getty]

Yes. Yes. Because they hate life.

[Jack Armstrong]

Because they hate life. And they hate the fact that they're genius musicians usually. And how they're teaching a bunch of teenagers who couldn't give a crap about music. And it makes them so angry that they drink and yell at children. This is when used.

[Joe Getty]

Exactly.

[Jack Armstrong]

And hurdle things at them.

[Dan Snow]

Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

He used to throw his keys at people. His whole set of keys.

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Or the baton.

[Jack Armstrong]

He throw the baton at people, Erasers, all kinds of stuff. But anyway, he got so mad at people burping during the rest. And he went one by one, who did it? Who did that? And then everybody's just kind of sitting there and some people were smirking, whatever. And he went one by one and looked them in the eye and put their finger right in their face. Did you make that sound during the rest? And most. Most of them fessed up and said yes. But it got to me and I said no, because I didn't. So I had. I was like. It was like a triple whammy of awful. I don't think the band teacher believed me. The other kids were like, what a puss. Because I didn't. And then I was feeling horrible for fever and thinking I was lying and that my peers thought I was weak for not Joining them in the completely meaningless hijinks. But that's the kind of person I was. I didn't join in the hijinks.

[Katie Green]

And here we are all these years later, and it's still affecting.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's still affecting me. Not because it bothers me, because I didn't. I'd feel better if I had.

[Joe Getty]

Well, you may have been a trumpeter, but you've certainly earned the sad trombone.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's exactly. That's exactly right. I didn't join in meaningless. Nobody gets hurt. Teenage hijinks because I was too straight laced. Isn't that incredible?

[Katie Green]

And you still got yelled at for it.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I still got in trouble for it because he didn't believe me. I could tell he didn't believe me.

[Joe Getty]

So are there any more questions for Katie? Yes, I'm enjoying this.

[Jack Armstrong]

Have you ever been arrested? What's the biggest celebrity you've ever met?

[Katie Green]

Oh, I interviewed the cast of Jackass. So Johnny Knoxville and all those guys.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, cool.

[Katie Green]

And Robin Williams.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a big one. That's a really big one.

[Katie Green]

He was really sweet.

[Jack Armstrong]

At what point in his life later.

[Katie Green]

Actually, this was in 2011.

[Jack Armstrong]

So that's toward the end then.

[Katie Green]

Yeah. He was at. I was at a comedy show and his daughter was performing, and he was there to watch his daughter.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ah, cool. Bay Area guy. So, yeah, easy to run into San Francisco.

[Katie Green]

The Purple Onion.

[Jack Armstrong]

Do you get anything out of meeting celebrities at this point in your life?

[Katie Green]

Not really.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I don't really. After you meet up there and everybody should get to have the experience of meeting enough celebrities to realize it ain't nothing. Yeah. It's just. It ain't nothing.

[Joe Getty]

Usually fairly awkward or like.

[Katie Green]

I mean, you guys know this. Be in a position where some people might look at you as one, and you're just like, no.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, exactly.

[Katie Green]

Not at all.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And that's the weird thing about celebrity. It's all in the other person's head. It doesn't actually exist as a thing. It's. You can't measure it or anything like that.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. And while I actually 98% of the time, really enjoy meeting folks who say, hey, I recognize you, I just want to say I like the show because people are very nice.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sure. Oh, yeah.

[Joe Getty]

They often end up being really nice people who I enjoy chatting with the greatest experience, rather to illustrate what Jack's talking about is. And this has happened many, many times, we'll meet, like, a super avid listener who has a friend with them who doesn't listen or has never heard of us. Or was from a different part of the country or whatever. And you had one person about to go to pieces and the other like, hey, how's it going? So as some people have observed, fame isn't something you have, it's something they have.

[Katie Green]

That's a great way to put it.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. And don't tell. It's. It's. So anybody who aspires to fame, don't trust me when I say this. Yeah, if you aspire to have a successful business, I consider our quote unquote fame just to be like an after effect of having a successful business. But the idea that your self image will rise and fall based on the number of people who think you're cool or whatever. No you don't. Don't get into that.

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[Jack Armstrong]

So here's the serious thing I was going to do, which feels weird now, but maybe I need transition music in my mind. Have we ever used transmission transmission music? This is when you shift from second to third gear transition music from silly to serious. Can we do that, Michael?

[Katie Green]

Yeah, I think this one will work.

[Jack Armstrong]

Actually both ways here.

[Joe Getty]

Okay. You know, you're right. We used to have different silly to serious music than our serious to silly music.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is a song.

[Joe Getty]

This, this does work.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is a song Sam's gonna be dancing to. Girl. It would have been great in the 50s when the twist was popular. Anybody can twist. Wouldn't that have been awesome when there were dances, the monkey, the swim, anything that you just like you knew what you're supposed to do with your hands.

[Joe Getty]

And it was crazy simple.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I'm not doing a good job of transitioning to something serious. This Air Force pilot retired over the weekend who was involved in 9 11. And I had never heard this story or I had and I forgot it because I can hide my own Easter eggs. Anyway, this Air Force F16 pilot retired over the weekend after 40 years in the Air Force. He. His job was to take out Flight 93, the last plane that was still in the air on 9 11. And I had never heard this story in completion. I knew that we had scrambled fighter jets and that that was a possibility. I didn't know this. He's 61 years old now. He was in his late 30s at the time. And him and this other female pilot, Heather Penny, who was 26 at the time, were ordered to go up. This is after, you know, two planes that hit the World Trade center. One had hit the Pentagon, and there was another plane in the air. And we figured it out. And this had all occurred in, like, seconds. And this was all happening really, really fast. And they were scrambled and told to go up and. What was the actual phrase? Stop it. Their orders were to locate Flight 93 and stop it. That's all they were told. So him and this other woman went up, and he was the guy in charge. And he went up because he didn't want to ask anybody else to do this because he had an idea of how awful this would be. Oh, wow. They decided, him and this woman, that if required, they would hit the hijacked plane with their jets, making it a suicide mission. They were what? Yeah, he said that we couldn't figure out how to at first because our fighter jets were not armed with missile missiles. Oh. We didn't have any weapons. We were just. We just went up and we're told to stop that plane.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, my Lord.

[Jack Armstrong]

So you hadn't heard this either? I hadn't heard, no. Oh. So he and this woman said they. They planned to ram the front of the jetliner and she. He was going to hit it from the front, she was going to hit it from the back at the same time, flying at, you know, 600 miles an hour. And that's what they were going to do. But right before, they were already in the air and screaming toward the plane. Before it happened, they got word that the plane had gone down because we all know the passengers took over the plane and it crashed into the ground and they all died. This guy, the woman was single and childless. But this dude, I should give his name. I haven't even his name yet, have I? He's a freaking hero. Mark Sassville. He had a wife and two young children, ages 3 and 5 at the time. He said, it's a testament to those people that brought down that plane, that changed my life's family forever. He was gonna die.

[Joe Getty]

Oh.

[Katie Green]

Wife and two young kids going, okay, this is what I have to do.

[Jack Armstrong]

He said he didn't even think about it at the time. He said training just kicked in. It all happened so fast. They were given the order to take down the plane. Okay. And he talked to the woman. This is what we'll do. We'll fly into the plane. And it just all. I'm sure it was happening very, very fast.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. More toxic masculinity from him and her.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Wow.

[Joe Getty]

That's. That's incredible. How many people did those passengers on Flight 93 save? It's a number that'll never be known.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, we are.

[Joe Getty]

The flight was believed to be headed for what, the White House?

[Jack Armstrong]

That's what I was going to say. They're not certain still on that yet. There were some beliefs that it was the White House, some. That it was the Capitol, but either way, it was going to be the Capitol.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Either way, it was going to be bad.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Katie Green]

I'd be interested to know if he called his wife prior to getting in that jet.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh. And like, what he would say from reading. Just this short description of. There was no time for that. This was a. This is what's happened. There's still a flight in the air. Like, run to the plane, get in the air and just go and go. Yeah.

[Katie Green]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Well, if you read the 911 report, it was amazing how much confusion there was and trying to get planes in the air to defend D.C. or whatever. There's nobody even knew who to call to suddenly defend the homeland. And so enormous amounts of time elapsed before they got like a significant force up in the air.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Somehow I just happened to see the video the other day of George Bush reading the reading to those kids, and the person came and whispered in his ear, Mr. President, we're under attack. I understand why he did this, how he did it, because he was in shock himself. You know, he says he didn't want to, like, freak out the kids. He should have stood up right there and just walked out. The kids will be fine. The whole Americas, the whole country is about to be freaked out. So, yeah. Waiting another however many minutes it was before he did anything, and I don't know that was the best choice, but I can understand how. Yeah, that's. That's a lot to comprehend in a very, you know, all of a sudden, sitting in front of the press. Yeah, he was sitting there because I was just. For some reason. Oh. I was at some more recent interview where he talks about it, because now he is an old man. It's interesting to see the videos of him now he is an old man, but. And he was such a young man at the time, but he was talking about how he was looking at the back of the room and seeing all the press. They were all getting the alerts. So he knew, they knew. And that's a lot to have rattled through your brain at one time.

[Joe Getty]

I actually know a couple of people who know W1 a little bit one very, very well. He was in the press office for HW and then New W and his family too. And everybody who knows George W. Really, really likes him. And this guy who worked for HW for a number of years, he. He echoes the impression I'd always gotten. He said he's one of the most honorable and decent people he's ever known.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, well, lots of people say that, which is interesting. What happened in terms of that he was our choosing. Whether we choose our candidates now the way we choose our candidates. Yeah, we don't have any requirements for decency or experience or really anything.

[Katie Green]

Mental capacity, coherence.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hey, what are you gonna do?

[Mike Bagley]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Conan O'Brien went to Harvard and was involved in National Lampoon there and then went on to write for the Simpsons and Saturday Night Live and have his own show. And even with all that success, I think he's more successful now at age 60 than he's ever been in his career. He just sold his podcast dealio to Sirius XM for $150 million, and he's got millions of people that tune into his various works now. So good for him. Funny guy, creative guy. An interesting thing about his personality that I heard in an interview I want to bring up. But first, let's hear a clip of him on the Tonight show last night with Jimmy Fallon. First time he'd been back to the Tonight show since he got it taken from him back in the day.

[J]

This really nice young guy in a white shirt and a baseball cap starts chatting with me and he's saying, you know, Conan, I love the podcast. And I also, I really love the old late night clips. I watch them all the time. And, you know, I also really like the stuff you did with the Simpsons. And I'm like, he's so nice. I'm saying, thank you so much. Then we both go through the TSA thing. He goes through, I go through, I collect all my stuff. You know, the way you're kind of distracted. I put my belt on, get my shoes back on. I turn around, see the guy, white shirt, hat. And I go, you know what? Let's do a selfie. Come on, come here, let's do a selfie. And the guy goes, okay, let's go, you knucklehead. And I get him, like in a headlock and he does a selfie. And just as he's taking it, I look, my guy's over there. This is just a guy who's also wearing a white shirt and a baseball cap, which is Pretty effing common. So rewind that story now and see it from his point of view. He's waiting for his wife to come through. Colonel O'Brien comes through and it's like, hey, selfie, get in here.

[Jack Armstrong]

Come on, come on, get over here. That's what I'm talking about.

[J]

And told the guy, I feel so but you can delete it.

[Joe Getty]

And he was.

[J]

Looked like he was on the fence about deleting it. I felt terrible. But I love moments like that where I'm go right back down to whatever you think you've achieved in life.

[Joe Getty]

Immediately humbled.

[J]

There's a guy who thinks I met Conor O'Brien. He's just an insane a hole.

[Jack Armstrong]

That would be confusing. You're standing there, Conor O'Brien all of a sudden shows up. Let's help me.

[Joe Getty]

What? What? Okay. Oh, that's a great story. Oh, Lord and well told.

[Jack Armstrong]

God. Conan O'Brien flying commercial and taking off his belt and shoes. I mean, when was that? Or is he still do that? Maybe. I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I wonder does it. He doesn't even do the TSA pre check. It's not that expensive, man.

[Jack Armstrong]

So one thing I want to did you. So Conan O'Brien's probably really closer to your era, Katie, as being the big late night king. Ours. Yeah.

[Katie Green]

Oh, yeah. Huge. I love him. I think he's hysterically funny.

[Jack Armstrong]

He is. He is a funny, funny guy in a very unique way. Yep.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Katie Green]

I love watching his stuff where he goes out in the public and just messes with people. He's got a great series on YouTube where I think if you just type in Conan, he has his own channel and it's just all this stuff of him with like Kevin Hart having the intern drive and just completely screwing with her the whole time. It's just wonderful.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And what did I. Another Conan thing. Oh, I heard Adam Sandler on a different podcast talking about how when Conan. So Conan was a writer there and all a lot of those big stars from Saturday Night Live were there. And then when Conan got his own show, they were all so excited for him because they all liked him and Adam Sandler and David Spade and Chris Farley and all those people went over to somebody's house to watch his first show because they were all so excited that he was getting his big shot to be a big deal. And he did turn out to be a big deal. And like I've mentioned a few times, he just sold his podcast for $150 million to Sirius. After all his Success, So good for him. But even with all that, he was on somebody else's show and talking about how, and I think this is true for a lot of people, how no matter what has happened in his life, he's still the same guy he was in high school when in high school he was a very awkward, not very well liked weirdo with not very many friends. And he said he's still. That he still sees himself that way. He's still always uncomfortable. He just. He said he doesn't. At this point, he's 60 years old. He doesn't expect anything will ever change that. So no level of crowds, cheering, money, success, anything has changed who he was in high school. And even without the crowd's money and everything like that, I feel the same way too. So why. Why are. Why is who we were in high school baked into who we are for the rest of our lives? Whose cruel trick was that?

[Joe Getty]

I guess back when I would have been a cave boy, it just didn't matter. Life was so completely different for the first 99.9999% of mankind's existence. It was, you know, all right, look, you're of breeding age. You're a fighting age. You're of tracking down a mastodon and putting a spear in a mage. Let's get this done.

[Jack Armstrong]

When you're going to be dead by age 24, most likely.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Jack Armstrong]

So it didn't matter.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, we're just searching for yourself at age 48 as a caveman. Well, that's a rarity. I just don't know who I am.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've seen it work both ways, too. I've known a few people that were big deals in high school, and adult life has not worked out for them that well. But they still see themselves as the big deal, and it just kind of weird to be around, you know, Things don't look that great for you, but. Okay, good for you.

[Joe Getty]

Well, he's still got the nose in the air. Congrats. Looking good.

[Katie Green]

Makes it hard to feel bad for them, though, right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, Right, Right.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I don't. I don't. Yeah, I suppose so. I don't recall running into anybody who really answered to that description recently, but. Yeah, I don't know. I think I would pity them all the more, but again, I haven't brushed up against them, so I don't know. But getting back to the whole cave, I guess, you know, typical. If you're going to have like a midnight. A midlife crisis or, you know, what am I doing why am I doing this? Is this how I want to spend the rest of my life? It'd be like at age 17, as a caveman. Right, Right. All of this eating meat and sitting around a fire.

[Jack Armstrong]

I wonder if that's the biggest problem, if that's the biggest problem modern humans have is our brains and consciousness just was not designed to go past, like, hardly past age 20. Breed, win a battle, die next.

[Joe Getty]

Right, Right. Yeah. And I'd imagine if you. If there were scientists 50,000 years ago, if you were to say to them, what do you suppose happens to the brain around age 80? They would say, what the hell are you talking about? Why do you care?

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. Yeah. Or are you going to become disillusioned with Life at age 45? 45. Who do you know is 45? Says the caveman.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Yeah. Yeah. And if they are, so what? If you'll excuse me, there's a tiger chewing on my leg.

[Jack Armstrong]

But if you have imposter syndrome, I would say, if Conan O'Brien still has imposter syndrome, you ain't getting rid of yours either, no matter what you achieve. That's what I learned.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah? Yeah. You know, I became aware that. Well, I suppose I can go ahead and say it. My daughter, like so many of us, has a bit of that. And we were touring a law school the other day, and the two fabulous young women who were taking us around on the tour admitted to flaming imposter syndrome. And they were so sweet. They said, everybody has it. Everybody has it. Don't worry about it. You can do this. You'll be fine. And it was great. And I think more people need to know that. I tried to teach my kids that, you know, that feeling. Your big successful dad has it every day. Every day. Don't worry about it. Fake it till you make it. Seriously. But it's hard to convince people. They think, oh, you're just saying that to make me feel better. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

I remember an interview I saw Paul Begala. He was one of the people that got Bill Clinton elected president. And he was talking about what it was like to be at the White House and walk in there every single day. And he said, if you don't walk into the White House every day with imposter syndrome, there's something seriously wrong with you. Because everybody feels like, I can't believe I'm here. Why am I here? Of all people, Me.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Right. I am not good enough for this. I am not important enough for this. I see the ghost of, you know, Thomas Jefferson standing there in the corner. Hi Tom. Did you see the game last night?

[Jack Armstrong]

So I, but again kind of getting to the other side of it. I feel like I have known some people who don't seem like they've ever had any self doub one second in their lives and are they just pulling it off really well or do they actually not ever have any self doubt?

[Joe Getty]

I think those people probably exist. Katie, your, your opinion. I just think, don't think there are many.

[Katie Green]

I feel like if you. I feel like they're probably just hiding it. Well it's like a natural, a natural thing for someone to feel.

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[Joe Getty]

I think I would guess 80% of the people you perceive are that way are faking it and maybe 20% of those people actually have whatever genetic gift it is to be, you know, super comfortable and no imposter syndrome. I, you know it's. I didn't really have it until I became an adult and I guess I don't know. I don't either.

[Jack Armstrong]

But it's partially because I hadn't achieved anything. So what would I be an imposter about?

[Joe Getty]

I was just going to say as I kept running into things that were increasingly difficult, I would think, oh boy, I could, I could really fail at this. Does anybody around here realize I could completely fail at this?

[Jack Armstrong]

I still Katie, because I wear a suit to work most days, I still like walking down the street in a suit. Feel like people can look at me and say what's that guy do wearing a suit for? He's not a suit guy.

[Joe Getty]

Who are you trying to kids without.

[Katie Green]

Knowing a thing about you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. You just could tell by looking at me that's not a guy who wears a suit. Kind of act as that.

[Joe Getty]

You think he borrowed that suit or stole it or something like he's trying to impress. Look at the dip in the suit.

[Jack Armstrong]

She's trying to kid. Right? Exactly. That's what I think.

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[Joe Getty]

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[Dan Snow]

History has made this world of ours. History is the reason I'm talking to you in English from a place called the UK with its castles, its warm beer and cricket. It's why the United States doesn't have King Charles and its currency, but Canada does. I'm Dan Snow and I host Dan Snow's History Hit Podcast. If you want to know the origin stories of the cities we inhabit, why we've always been drawn dictators, or the long history of what's going on in the Middle east, we've got you covered. Learn about the past and understand our world today. Listen to Dan Snow's History Hit wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Steve Post]

Today, the 2004 NASCAR Cup Series championship was won in dramatic fashion.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, they changed right side tires. Only the entire wheel came off.

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But what happened throughout the year is what makes it one of NASCAR's biggest seasons. Hear all the stories on NASCAR Live presents 2004 Chasing History.

[Joe Getty]

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Was on NASCAR Live presents 2004 Chasing History. Listen today in the iHeartRadio app or on your favorite podcast platform.

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[Jack Armstrong]

It'S.

[Joe Getty]

The Armstrong and Getty show featuring our podcast One More Thing. Download it, subscribe to it wherever you like to get podcasts.

[Jack Armstrong]

When I mentioned the David Copperfield show that we went to the magician and how he was working too sexy for a show with lots of kids there. Lots of kids younger than my kids. Of course the younger kids didn't get some of the jokes, but like he asked a dad, stand up sir See, your. Your. Your wife and your kids. When's the last time you and your wife had sex in front of their kids?

[Joe Getty]

Wait, what?

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, and the last time you had. So seven days ago. He writes down the number seven for the trick. And last time you had sex, how long did the session last? And dad says 20 minutes. I'm not answering that question in front of my kids. It's weird.

[Katie Green]

I'm gonna start calling sex the session from now on.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Any time for a session, honey.

[Jack Armstrong]

That was a fantastic session.

[Joe Getty]

Maybe the ritual bastard just figures. I got one act. I'm not changing it for these bunch of rugrats.

[Jack Armstrong]

I actually told kids that it was a thing with aging. Sometimes when people get old, they just kind of lose track of what's appropriate and what's not. Because that's true. Right? And I think he might be there.

[Joe Getty]

You'd think some of the world's most famous performers would have figured that out by now, or had people.

[Jack Armstrong]

He's hella. He's hella old. The thing that made me laugh the hardest, and I couldn't say this on the show, it's inappropriate. And I know some of you don't like this language, but. So part of the deal he was. He made this. It's a long, drawn out story, but he's got this little Yoda baby Yoda type character or whatever and trying to get him home. Anyway, all of a sudden we're all staring at the ceiling, and all of a sudden a spaceship appears and it's floating around. He said, look at that. A spaceship. That made me laugh really hard.

[Joe Getty]

What?

[Jack Armstrong]

But anyway, so the other thing we did was we went to the sphere, and that's the great big giant ball, if you haven't heard anything about it. It got a lot of attention when it first opened because you two played there. But it's not just a concert venue. In fact, I don't think it's primarily going to be a concert venue. I think it's mostly going to be, like, movies and stuff like that. And so we watched this movie about planet Earth and the Big bang. And it was an opportunity to show you oceans and mountains and deserts. And I did get a little bit car sick. Motion sickness. Because you're floating around all this stuff and it's so giant, it's. I Forget how many K it was. 18K screen.

[Katie Green]

Oh, boy.

[Jack Armstrong]

And.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. No way I'm going to this 18K screen. That and the vertigo of sitting, like, at the top of vertical stands.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. It's like walking up a Mountain and 170,000 speakers. And it's really move at all? Yes. So that's cool. So when the elephants come stomping through, the bass is like, unlike anything you've ever heard before. I mean, even a great concert, the bass is just. Just stunning. And then the seats move too. So you get a full. Like the elephants are stomping through. It's loud, and you're kind of bouncing around.

[Katie Green]

It sort of sounds like sensory overload.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And I got a kid with sensory issues, so he. Was he actually holding my hand the whole show? Yes.

[Joe Getty]

Joe, did the. Those woofers, did they hit the brown note? The brown note is a note that all basists know about, and that is a particular note. If your amp is set up just right, that can cause people to poop themselves.

[Jack Armstrong]

But the other thing they had at the Sphere, and I was thinking about this because there was an article in the Wall Street Journal. We'll talk about this on the radio show tomorrow.

[Joe Getty]

Stop giggling. Look, Katie, the audience is not responding. They're a bad audience. You know what? You as the bass player, you're in charge of punishing them.

[Katie Green]

I just expect more from you. I expect more, Joe.

[Joe Getty]

See, that's. That's what's so delightful about me. You know, before many colors, so many different levels of humor before I move.

[Jack Armstrong]

On to the AI Thing, back to the Sphere show. So I'm sitting there and I was trying to decide how I'm going to talk about this so I don't get myself in trouble with various groups. I'm not going to mention the group, but it became clear to me that culturally, and this is another country, because they don't speak English culturally, some people just talk through shows because they were all from a certain area of the world and they just talked through the entire show. And I was giving them the look, but they were just so engrossed and out loud, like regular voice, not even whispering, like regular voice conversation, that I thought, this is clearly a cultural thing. This isn't a. Wow. This isn't a couple of rude people who need to be reminded to be quiet. They come from a part of the world where you just talk through shows, I guess. So in these parts of the world that I won't mention because I don't want to get in trouble. If you go to a movie theater, is everybody just sitting there talking out loud through the whole movie?

[Joe Getty]

Because that's what you think. He's gonna kiss her. I keep expecting her to kiss her. I don't know.

[Katie Green]

Good on you for figuring, you know, having that thought process prior to telling him to shut the hell up.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, they wouldn't have understood me because they clearly didn't speak English. But yeah, couple, a young couple sitting beside me and then a couple of older people behind me, all from similar.

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[Jack Armstrong]

And they just talked fully out loud the whole show. Even like super quiet parts, dramatic parts and everything like that. Just blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Weird. I guess that's just a cultural thing. In the United States we were quiet during shows.

[Joe Getty]

Some might say respectful of other people's experience. You know, I totally get why you did what you did. It sounds super cool. You got kids, they need to have experiences and see the world, blah blah blah. I may have been exactly when you're there doing that. Judy and I were walking through the woods taking pictures of birds and I am so happy that that's what I was doing. Spectacle at all.

[Jack Armstrong]

I was actually thinking watching this thing at the Sphere. I'm not sure why anybody would ever need to go anywhere or do anything ever again if this becomes normal. It was the clarity of the 18K screen, the sound and all encompassing. I don't know why I would need to walk inside one of those great big cathedrals in Europe. I had the full. I've been to one so I know what it feels like.

[Joe Getty]

Don't have smell o vision yet.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is the first time I've ever had the awe feeling that you get from doing things in person from a screen. And I thought, I think they finally replicated the in person experience for seeing a sunset, being on the ocean, whatever.

[Joe Getty]

Interesting. Now you are famously hard of smelling, hard of tasting. You don't taste things normally.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

Which I think has to do with your olfactory center in your brain or something like that. I disagree. You've got to have the smell. You've got to have the humidity. You've got to have the feeling of the air in a place interesting to really experience it.

[Jack Armstrong]

It.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway, so I read this mustiness of an old church.

[Jack Armstrong]

Even musty.

[Katie Green]

Yes.

[Joe Getty]

The smell of the hymnals.

[Jack Armstrong]

Things get pretty musty after a session.

[Joe Getty]

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[Mike Bagley]

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[Dan Snow]

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[Jack Armstrong]

And I'm championship winning crew chief Todd Gordon.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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