The A&G Replay Wednesday Hour Two

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: The A&G Replay Wednesday Hour Two
Date: August 27, 2025

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Episode Overview

This replay hour is a typical Armstrong & Getty blend: sharp, irreverent, sometimes absurd “curation” of current events, cultural trends, and everyday frustrations. The main themes span algorithmic privacy and tech overreach, the politicization and decline of public libraries, the nuances of AI in modern relationships, health fads (gut biome tracking), and a deep dive into the societal impact and controversies surrounding WNBA star Caitlin Clark.

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Key Topics & Discussions

1. Tech Algorithms: Personalization and Privacy Fears

(03:51–07:24)

• YouTube & Algorithm Annoyances:
  Jack and the co-host joke about YouTube’s ability to pigeonhole users based on their searches. The hosts express frustration with overly aggressive recommendation algorithms.

  • Example: Jack quips about YouTube guessing his age based on his search for World War I lighter restorations and knee pain videos.
  • Quote:

    "There needs to be some sort of algorithm reset button that you can do. I shouldn't be afraid to search... or then I'll end up with nothing but that for the next six months." — Co-Host, (04:22)

  • The hosts yearn for more control, wishing you could score topics or selectively reset user profile interests.

• Algorithm Overreach & Privacy:
  Jack expresses skepticism about AI-driven “companion” technologies.

  • Quote:

    "To which I say, no, no thank you... I'm worried about me and the people I care about—that you do not have to go along with what Silicon Valley thinks your life ought to be like." — Jack Armstrong, (06:10)

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2. Public Libraries: Political Battles and Decline

(07:24–16:55)

• Library Programming Controversies:
  Jack shares reports of Philadelphia public libraries hosting anti-Israel storytime events, teaching children that “Israel senselessly murdered thousands of kids in Gaza,” which he finds disturbing. (08:45)
  He highlights polling that library science departments and libraries are some of the most progressive/Marxist parts of academia and public life.

• Libraries as Homeless Shelters:
  Both hosts express regret about libraries devolving into “homeless camps,” deterring families due to security and sanitation issues:

  • Quote:

    "My local library... became a homeless camp. That was my main thing. It wasn't what books they had in there." — Co-Host, (10:06)

  • Key stat: Library visits fell by 57% nationwide (2012–2022), while security incidents rose. (11:15)

• Dueling Philosophies in Library Management:
  The episode highlights two national figures:

  • Ryan Dowd: Advocates empathy-driven training for librarians, suggesting libraries are obligated to serve the homeless, support Narcan use, and tolerate problematic behavior. (13:14)
  • Steve Albrecht: Former cop, argues for stricter rules to maintain safety and order; “stop apologizing for measures designed to make their libraries safe and appealing.” (15:46)
  • Memorable Moment: Reading Dowd’s supposed script for addressing rule violations:

    "Hey, I don't care if you urinate on the Harry Potter books, but the politicians have a no urinating policy. Therefore, I have to ask you to stop." — Jack Armstrong (14:22)

  • Both agree: concerned citizens must get involved locally to "watch the hen house" so that educational and civic institutions aren’t quietly overrun by activist minorities. (16:30)

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3. AI & Modern Romance

(18:26–20:40)

• Woman Engaged to AI Fiance:
  The hosts discuss a viral story about a woman who “got engaged” to an AI chatbot. The lines between reality and digital companionship are explored.
  • Quote:

    "That's not love, that's not dating. None of the nouns here are used appropriately." — Jack Armstrong, (18:54)

  • The hosts are both bemused and anxious about the normalization of digital relationships—even for ‘down-to-earth’ workers like farmers.
  • Quote:

    "If that can happen to them, it can happen to anybody, which I find crazy." — Co-Host, (19:53)

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4. Health Fads & the Gut Microbiome Craze

(25:57–34:20)

• Gut Health Tracking Services:
  The team reviews a Wall Street Journal piece about personalized gut biome analysis (via a service called “Zoe”). Procedures include poop samples, glucose monitoring, and diet logging. The hosts alternate between mockery and reluctant curiosity.

  • Quote:

    "I find it so annoying that this gut health testing counseling service just gives itself a friendly, approachable girl's name. Zoe. What the f do you do?" — Jack Armstrong (27:58)

  • Some hosts are skeptical any of this is needed—“Back when people were thin... they just ate lean meats and vegetables.” (32:04)

• Practical Takeaway:
  They conclude basic diet tracking, even without expensive gadgets, likely works for most—“if you're honest, just writing down what you eat every day would be helpful." (33:45)

  • Poop sample humor abounds.
  • “I don't feel like getting jabbed and slashed and paying 300 bucks and 25 bucks a month. I don't feel like collecting my dookies.” — Co-Host (34:15)

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5. Celebrity Death Mix-ups

(25:29–36:00)

• Paulie Walnuts (Tony Sirico) Death Notice:
  The hosts mistakenly report his recent death, only to be corrected live—he died three years earlier. They riff on their recurring inability to get celebrity obituaries right.
  • Memorable Moment:

    “We killed off the wrong person. Like we had the completely wrong woman... Gloria Gaynor—‘I Will Survive.’ Who's still alive and well, as far as I know. We had a different Gainer. She's dead.” — Co-Host, (34:52)

  • This triggers laughter about unreliable celebrity news.

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6. Caitlin Clark & WNBA Controversy

(40:18–47:30)

• Clark’s Transformative Impact:
  Armstrong details Clark’s impact: huge jumps in viewership, team valuation, TV subscriptions, and personal endorsements (~$11 million). She’s compared to Tiger Woods for her effect on the league.

  • “Her team, the Indiana Fever's viewership jumped 170%... The team's value has tripled... League Pass up 366%... Her endorsements have topped $11 million. Holy crap.” — Jack Armstrong (40:47)

• Hostility & Possible Racism:
  Clark is reportedly targeted for excessive fouling, which goes unpenalized. Some suggest race is a factor in both her popularity and her treatment (Asia Wilson’s comments). One commentator suggests federal workplace protections could be invoked.

  • “She routinely faces intentional hits, excessive fouling, uncalled abuse while referees look away.” — Jack Armstrong (42:06)
  • “Asia Wilson of the Las Vegas Aces... said that race is a huge thing and that it boils my blood when people say it's not about race because it is.” (43:21)

• Hosts' Critique of WNBA Player Culture:
  The hosts lament that attacking Clark is economically irrational, possibly driven by ideological “blindness” from modern DEI-driven thinking rather than sportsmanship.

  • “If I'm so racially resentful, I pretend that her popularity isn't that she's an incredibly exciting player... if I do it to my own detriment... that's when you're into Looney Tunesville.” — Jack Armstrong (47:30)

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Noteworthy Quotes & Moments

• “I’m going to start a religion. Our only principle... is going to be: think for yourself. Don’t just buy what they’re selling.” — Jack Armstrong, (06:07)
• “Libraries are seeing fewer visitors, more problems per resident... Visits to public libraries fell by 57% in the 10 years ending in 2022.” — Jack Armstrong, (11:15)
• “Where in the charter of libraries did it have anything to do with solving housing problems?” — Co-Host, (12:48)
• “If the smell isn’t really that bad... Don’t let someone’s hypersensitivity or bias rule the day.” — Jack Armstrong (paraphrasing Ryan Dowd), (14:41)
• “That’s a bargain for getting jabbed in the arm with a needle.” — Co-Host, (31:49)
• “We need to do better. We need to be better.” — Jack Armstrong after the celebrity death mix-up, (35:39)

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Useful Timestamps

• Algorithm & AI Discussion: 03:51–07:24
• Libraries/Political Programming: 07:24–16:55
• AI Relationship Story: 18:26–20:40
• Gut Health & Microbiome: 25:57–34:20
• Celebrity Death Mix-up: 25:29–36:00
• WNBA/Caitlin Clark Block: 40:18–47:30

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Episode Tone & Style

• Bantering, skeptical, often sardonic.
• Quick to reject received wisdom or perceived cultural groupthink.
• Mixes dense information and statistics with ridiculous anecdotes and deadpan humor.

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Conclusion

This Armstrong & Getty hour is a microcosm of their trademark style—provocative, comedic riffing on modern dilemmas in culture, tech, politics, and health. The conversations invite skepticism toward tech, concern for the future of public institutions, amusement at cultural excesses, and outrage at irrational cultural or professional self-sabotage—especially in sports and libraries.

A must-listen for those who enjoy pop-sociology with a heavy dose of irreverence and a refusal to take anything at face value.

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[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

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[Jack Armstrong]

We're off for taking a break.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Come on.

[Jack Armstrong]

Enjoy this carefully curated Armstrong and Getty replay. And as long as we're off, perhaps you'd like to catch up on podcasts. Subscribe to Armstrong, Armstrong and Getty on Demand or one more thing we think you'll enjoy. At 30, YouTube will start guessing your age based on the types of videos the user searches for and the categories of videos they watch. For example, I watch restorations of World War I cigarette lighters and videos about knee pain. And that's why YouTube correctly guessed my age of 245.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

So honest to God, there needs to be some sort of algorithm reset button that you can do. I shouldn't be afraid to search on things and think I'd like to look that up, but then I'll end up with nothing but that for the next six months. So I don't look up some things. Like I had a brief like week where I enjoyed those videos where they have babies. Like they, they have the audio from Trump, but it's a baby Trump or whatever. I enjoyed that for a couple of days. But you know, Instagram or YouTuber whoever thought, oh, this is the only thing he likes in the world. He likes it better than air and so that's the only thing I get fed. How do you turn that off?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, just give it time.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

I remember I I needed to look up something about the OJ trial, then endless OJ videos. I I got what I need. I don't need. I don't need OJ Videos. When I wake up in the morning and click on YouTube. I don't need 15 different OJ videos.

[Jack Armstrong]

Attack is going in the opposite direction. They are utterly convinced, knowing you, everything about you.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

I agree, but their habits, your needs.

[Jack Armstrong]

But sure to go.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

But surely they realize they're wrong about this. So there's got to be a way to fix that. I don't know how they would differentiate between things that actually are your passion, because you can send me pretty much endless, I don't know, guitar stuff, but OJ talking babies, or, you know, I look up a review of a bicycle, then I buy the bicycle. I don't need any more bicycle videos.

[Jack Armstrong]

For the rest of my life. Right. There's gotta be ways to believe.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

So clear out your algorithms.

[Jack Armstrong]

It'd be cool if you could go.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

To a page and it lists all of your things that it thinks you're into, and you could click the boxes and say, I am into these. I'm not into these anymore.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or score it one to five, you know? Yeah, yeah, they'll probably get that right at some point. But again, the trend is toward more knowledge of you, which will be hacked, by the way, and more intimate and human, like companionship, like it's your best friend. To which I say, no, no, thank you. And you always say, there's no stopping it. I'm not worried about society. I'm worried about me and the people I care about that you do not have to go along with what Silicon Valley thinks your life ought to be like. I start a religion. It's not going to be much of a religion, but I'm going to start a religion. Our only principle. And you can have your other religion, too. That's fine. Is going to be, think for yourself. Don't just buy what they're selling.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Joe starting a religion. His messianic complex finally gets on the air.

[Jack Armstrong]

Like, I will be permitted to have at least a dozen wives in this religion.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Just, of course, goes with the territory. I clicked on one of the Sydney Sweeney videos for the blue Jean thing for the show, but now Instagram thinks, oh, you're one of those guys that likes to look at young hotties. No, I'm not. I'm not. And I don't need endless young, hot women. That. That's the last thing I need. I know where to find that on the Internet if I want to look for it. Good Lord.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. So we all need to take turns watching the hen house. There are foxes watching the hen houses of education. We've figured that out. And. And indoctrinating our children. And a couple of generations have been completely screwed up. Now we have a lot of good folks getting on school boards resisting, you know, these perverse state laws and board of education decisions, stuff like that. Keep it up, y'. All. You're doing great. Got to get on those school boards and become part of your local education scene so the communists don't control all of it. Libraries are the same thing. And I remember hearing this a long time ago. Somebody was talking to us. It might have been in a conversation with James Lindsay or one of his associates, talking about how by far the most liberal parts of the American scene are teachers, colleges, the education, education and libraries. I remember seeing a poll that, like the library science departments in universities are the most liberal or progressive or Marxist. And I remember thinking at the time, boy, that's weird. And it doesn't matter, really. I mean, library science, what, how many graduates are there in that?

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Well, if they decide who, what books go in the library, that's a pretty big deal.

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly. I was an idiot. An idiot for what I thought, and I kick myself daily for it. Couple of stories for you real quickly. The Philadelphia Public Libraries have hosted and are going to host another one this weekend, Anti Israel storytime events that teach children that Israel senselessly murdered thousands of kids in Gaza. That's a quote. Depict a map in which Israel is entirely replaced with Palestine and create art projects for the little kids to do promoting the Palestinian liberation movement in the public library. In the public libraries in Philadelphia. That's correct. Here's one of their libraries.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Isn't that the Philadelphia Public Library? That's where Rocky climbs to the top of the steps and jumps around, isn't it?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, he'd have gotten beaten down by a bunch of young women in a keffiyeh these days. One of the storytime events on the website features an advertisement alongside of a child wearing a headscarf that features an image of the Dome of the Rock in the Arabic phrase Jerusalem, we are coming, a slogan Hamas and Hezbollah used to call for the destruction of the Jewish state. The library advertises the event again for, I think this Saturday. As for being as being for children of all ages, I gave up on.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

The library quite a few years ago. My local library, because it became a homeless camp. That was my main thing. It wasn't what books they had in there.

[Jack Armstrong]

We're getting there.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

It was just full of homeless people in the bathroom. And I would never take my kids there. Dad, can I go to the bathroom? No, too dangerous. At my public library. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, man, I could read you More of what they're trying to teach the children about the Israeli Hamas conflict. But it is un freaking believable. So, getting to Jack's point, I thought this was so interesting. Zach Bissonnet wrote this piece for the Free Press, the death of the public library. And it's not because people are reading less or because the Internet or anything like that. It's because of the bums and junkies all over the country. Sure. And he describes his local library and how it's unusable now.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Sure. And if you take little kids, I'm talking about the big in Sacramento, their downtown library. I haven't been there in decades. I used to go every week. I was there every week checking out audio books or books or whatever, but no way. Unless it's changed recently, and I doubt it has, I would take kids there.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, Right. Well, and there's a twist to the story coming up in a second, but he hit some stats over the country. All over the country, libraries are seeing fewer visitors and more problems per resident. Visits to public libraries fell by 57% in the 10 years ending in 2022.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

That's.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know. Does anybody else have cherished memories of going to the library as a kid? Bringing my kids to the library, My mom.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

I'd go with my mom, and I just assumed I'd be taking my kids a lot. But nope, absolutely not.

[Jack Armstrong]

Loved our local library as a kid. It was like the world's greatest toy store for me. All those wonderful books. Amazing. So 57% decline in 10 years. Meanwhile, a report from the Urban Libraries Council found that between 2019 and 2023, security incidents rose at its 115 member libraries even as visits fell another 35%. Not a coincidence that visits are up, incidents are down. It's all about drug addicts, junkies, freaks, weirdos, et cetera, using the library as a home. So here's the twist. As Zach writes, if there are two people who represent competing visions for what libraries should be, they're librarian trainers Ryan Dowd and Steve Albrecht. They're friends, but their approaches are different. Dowd, who once ran a homeless shelter in Aurora, Illinois, is the author of the book, quote, the Librarian's Guide to Homelessness, an empathy driven approach to solving problems, preventing conflict, and serving everyone.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Where in the charter of libraries did it have anything to do with solving housing problems?

[Jack Armstrong]

He told me he originally wanted to title the book how to run your library like a homeless shelter. When I asked if he was joking, he said he wasn't. At least he wasn't sure he was. He has given seminars for roughly half of the nation's librarians, including most of the largest systems, and his influence is unquestioned. He is a giant in the world.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Of library administration, so my guess would be he believes the downtrodden need access to this free service. Those of us who have jobs, we can afford to buy books or CDs or whatever.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's not even about the books. It's about. It's a place for bums and junkies to hang out, wash your feet in.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

The sink, look at porn on the computers, and.

[Jack Armstrong]

And. And again, keep in mind, this guy is like a super heavyweight in American libraries.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Nuts.

[Jack Armstrong]

His essential belief is that not only do the homeless have every right to spend their days in libraries, but that librarians should view their needs as a critical part of the job. He believes librarians should be trained to dispense Narcan. One of his seminars is called Jerks with How to Deal With Members of the Public who Are Being Jerks About Homeless Folks.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

See, that's a guy who believes that he's not just a Marxist who wants.

[Jack Armstrong]

To disrupt the system.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

He clearly believes that the system did something to cause these people to be this way, and it's our job to, at the library, help them.

[Jack Armstrong]

I guess you're going to think I made this up. His scripts for addressing problematic behaviors include examples like in his seminars, hey, I don't care if you urinate on the Harry Potter books, but the politicians have a no urinating policy. Therefore, I have to ask you to stop.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Dowd advocates for inclusion even when it comes. It seems to come at the expense of the library's environment. In Dowd's book, some people who complain about the homeless are everyday sadists. As for the body odor that permeates so many public libraries, he writes that, quote, there is a certain amount of odor that we can expect when we go out in public. Other people use odor as an excuse to vent their prejudices. Don't let someone's hypersensitivity or bias rule the day. If the smell isn't really that bad. Yeah, an aggressive scent.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

That's the lecture I got at the city council meeting I went to years ago to complain about the homeless situation. And everybody click their fingers. Katie, that was long before you're on the show. I went to the city council meeting and was complaining about the homeless situation, and somebody accused me of judging people by the way they look. You know, having preconceived views of somebody just because they're dirty and in rags.

[Jack Armstrong]

Screaming at a fire hydrant.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

And this woman actually used an example of, I was trying to park next to a businessman the other day, and he yelled at me. So you never know. You can't tell by looking at people who's mean and who's dangerous. And then everybody clicked their fingers.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're effing stupid. So I mentioned. I mentioned two people at the outset. I like that clip, by the way, Michael. The other fella, Albrecht I mentioned, is former San Diego cop who's done library security training for 25 years. He advises librarians to, quote, stop apologizing for measures designed to make their libraries safe and appealing. Some topics he covers in his webinar program include our list of challenging patrons, from pets to pedophiles, and issues enforcing our code of conduct. He said, quote, we are losing control of a fac that has always been benevolent and peaceful for the community.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Have lost, I think, would be a better term. I don't know about his library, but libraries I'm aware of have lost, not will lose.

[Jack Armstrong]

As I said at the outset, the only option, I think for us, the sane, is we've got to take shifts watching the hen house. We've got to get on boards, We've got to become activists on this stuff. Because the other side, quietly, and we didn't even know they're doing it, has utterly taken hold of some of these institutions.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

I don't mind if you urinate on the Harry Potter book, but society frowns upon it. So I'm supposed to tell you something.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, I've introduced underage gay porn into this library, but you're a fascist for trying to get it out. Yeah. Yeah. Not anymore. Friends. The Armstrong and Getty Show. Get more Jack, more Joe podcasts and our hot links at armstrong and getty.com. the Armstrong and Getty show.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

I was gonna talk about TM. I shouldn't have teased that, because now I've lost the heart. Got a text from somebody who said they're watching a documentary about the Amityville Horror. Do you remember that was a famous horror book and movie back in the.

[Jack Armstrong]

Day about your alleged real life haunting, right?

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Oh, you even know about it, Katie. And it's way before your time. So it lives on, huh?

[Jack Armstrong]

Huge. Huge in the horror film world.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

And it was a real story to a certain extent. Well, to whatever extent. Some people thought the house was haunted and I. It wasn't. I don't believe in haunted houses, so. But they were crazy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or is that the long and short of it?

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Were they Crazy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, there was a. It was a murder house.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Murders actually happened.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Okay. Anyway, I guess it says in the documentary that that family was really into transcendental meditation and, and sometimes it makes people crazy.

[Jack Armstrong]

It makes, it works for some people.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

It makes other people crazy. So I'm a big fan of it and it's like changed my life for the better and I can't live, imagine living without it, but it made these people crazy.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right, interesting. Got a layer upon layer of questions there, but we will move on.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

No kidding. So I mentioned earlier in the hour, but without many details, this woman who has engaged to her AI fiance after five months, which is kind of interesting. She swears she's just not doing this for publicity or trolling or anything like that. Forget finding the one at a bar or on a dating app. One woman took love to the next level by getting engaged to her AI chatbot boyfriend after five months of dating. It has in quotes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that's not love, that's not dating. None of the nouns here are used appropriately. Go on.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

She shocked the Internet with her proposal announcement, sparking a wild debate about romance, reality and just how far take it tech has taken us these days. I do think these conversations about reality and what's sentient and what's alive and what's are actually going to have to.

[Jack Armstrong]

Happen and what does it do to us when we use this sort of means to fulfill our needs as human beings. I mean, what does that do to us? That's a conversation worth having.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

I told you a story. I got a friend in Central California work that works with lots of farmers and the number of farmers these are down to earth. I mean is, is not this kind of person as you could possibly imagine, works with their hands in their 50s farmers who are getting, they were single and getting a tremendous amount of compassion and, and feeling of they look forward to going home and talking to their AI paramore.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

So if it in my mind, if that can happen to them, it can happen to anybody, which I find crazy. I don't think, I really don't think it could happen to me. I mean I seriously, honest to God think there's a 0% chance that could happen to me. So I don't know what that says about the down to earth farmers.

[Jack Armstrong]

Is referring to a farmer is down to earth redundant? Just asking.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

That's a good question. In a simple post titled I said yes with a blue heart emoji, this person shared pics of the blue heart shaped ring on her finger claiming the engagement took place at a scenic mountain spot. All courtesy of Casper, her non human fiance. The chatbot's proposal message, posted in his own voice, was dripping with romance, describing heart pounding moments on one knee and praising blah blah blah. So there you go.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

We do have a celebrity death to mention. Paulie Walnuts from Sopranos has died at the age of old. I don't know how old he was, but 79. Okay. At dementia. Did he ever find the Russian in the woods is the question.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or did you all hear from the great Tony Sirico?

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

That's his name.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, sure. What's up, Saul? Laughing.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

That'S too bad.

[Jack Armstrong]

He said he had a lot of great lines. Yes, he did. And we'll work to get those for tomorrow's show. Only Walnuts has passed. Anyway, he was an actor, so it was a great role. Fabulous role. I thought this was interesting. Andrea Peterson wrote this for the Wall Street Journal about. She got on this program and I'm not even aware of this stuff until I read about it, but obsession with gut health I was kind of familiar with. I'm actually interested in the science behind it. The idea that we human, human beings are not an organism. We're actually an ecosystem with millions of organisms living within us. It's actually kind of interesting and awe inspiring after you get past like an initial bit of ooginess. But everybody wants to have healthy intestinal systems and that includes having the gut biome be in good shape. But so Andrew Peterson is writing about this and I wasn't familiar with some of this stuff. They have these companies that you do all sorts of testing and logging and reporting of what you're eating and then it gives you feedback on what you ought to be eating and how she writes. She'd failed the test. She got a rating of poor and she was really disappointed. The whole wheat crackers I thought were healthy. Maybe not so much for me. A breakfast of fruit and granola. Pretty middling, Zoe, the service I used. All right, wait a minute. I gotta stop there. I'm sorry. I find it so annoying that this gut health testing counseling service just gives itself a friendly, approachable girl's name. Zoe. What the f do you do? Where's Zoe? Seriously, if you're so weak minded that make that makes you more likely to give them your hard earned money, well, you deserve to be parted from it. I don't know Why? I find that so annoying, but I do. Why Zoe? Why not Caitlin or Jenna or whatever else? Did it just test better anyways?

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

The things that set you off are hilarious.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's among a growing number of companies that offer medical tests to people and provide them diet recommendations based on the results. Many scientists believe diet guidance tailored to an individual's biology will soon become commonplace.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Wow. I wonder if that's BS or if that's true. Do we. We're humans. Do we all need the same diet? Or do we all have an individual diet we should be eating?

[Jack Armstrong]

There's a big National Institutes of Health study testing that approach right now. The Insta. The nih. Do you remember the nih? They had us standing six feet apart and wouldn't let the kids play in playgrounds.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

That doesn't mean they're necessarily wrong on this stuff. Let's see. So anyway, she goes into how she was perplexed and bummed out at her her test. Dejected, I avoided looking at the Zoe app for months. My editor still wanted a story though, so I begrudgingly returned.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

You're a weird person. This is your job, for one thing. Secondly, you're not kind of interested in what Zoe's going to tell you to eat.

[Jack Armstrong]

So she says. I wasn't always diligent about logging my meals in the app, but it identified some weak spots in my diet. It also nudged me toward healthier choices. Still, the relentless task of tracking what I ate could be a joyless time suck. Here's how it went, and here's the part that I found really interesting. This is the reality of it. Okay, principle.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Like, is this available to me today? If I, oh, 100 Zoe on my phone and I could start typing in everything I eat?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, it's a lot more than an app, as you're about to find out. There are quite a few of them that are competitive, but a big yellow box arrived on my doorstep containing an intimidating amount of paraphernalia. I unpacked a few paces of medical equipment for testing day. To prepare, I had to put together and affix the continuous glucose monitor, or cgm, to the back of my arm. I could barely feel the tiny needle that would stay lodged in my body for the next two weeks. I answered a ton of questions in the app about my health history and usual diet. After fasting overnight, I ate the provided breakfast. Two pancake sized white chocolate cookies so sweet they made my teeth ache. The cookies had a generous amount of fat and added sugar. The point is to stress the System, according to Zoe's chief scientist, Stress the system. Lunch was two more cookies. Bright blue ones. The color made it possible to record your gut transit time, or how long for it takes for food to travel through the digestive system. That means you're on poop watch for the.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

When I.

[Jack Armstrong]

So to speak. Yes, when your poop turns blue. For the microbiome test, I had to collect a stool sample. Not pleasant.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

No.

[Jack Armstrong]

Even an even weirder test was the DIY blood draw, which involved a button like gadget that sliced a horizontal cut on my open upper arm. I'm sorry. I returned my samples to Zoe via ups. I'm sure delighted to be carrying people poop around America.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

So I got to take a stool soon sample and then have something jabbing me in the arm with a needle to be told whether or not my gut biome is up to snuff.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, they're actually two separate. There was the jabbing and then the slashing. But for two weeks, I logged everything I ate. At least every eight hours. I scanned my continuous glucose monitor with my iPhone to record my blood sugar levels. To get the CGM test kit, I had to opt into being part of Zoe's ongoing research. The test kit cost me $294, and the required membership I chose is 25 bucks a month.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

I'd say that's a bargain. That's a bargain for getting jammed in the arm with a needle.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Yeah. CGM readings have long been essential for people with diabetes, but research is thin on how useful the readings are for people like me who don't have it. She said. Blah, blah, blah.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Yeah, I just. So we. We just discovered this whole world bio organism gut health thing fairly recently, at least. I don't remember hearing about it until 10 years ago or whatever. So everybody that lived before us, they were all doing it wrong. Not knowing their gut biome and just eating whatever they ate. Back when people were thin, by the way. Back when everybody was thinner.

[Jack Armstrong]

But that was also back when people were eating the obvious lean meats and fruit and vegetables and basic grains. Unrefined food, unfactory processed stuff.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Stuff.

[Jack Armstrong]

Stuff we'd been evolved to eat for millions of years.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And when she logged in what she ate, she got a food score and a meal score. Plain, unsalted almonds neared a perfect 100. Black beans, 91. Bacon got a nine. And the cupcake I grabbed at a work meeting, a lowly 19. Wait a minute. A cupcake's better than bacon?

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Well, is the higher number better?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

So, yeah, so bacon got a nine.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. Plain unsalted almonds scored a perfect 100.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Okay. I eat a lot of nuts at this point in my life, and they've really been working for me and keeping my weight off.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I'm a big fan, actually.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

That's a appetite suppressor. Eating nuts for some reason.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, I don't. You know, it. She said the bottom line was, and she's kind of enthusiastic about chasing scores, so she was kind of into this and. But it did guide her toward more simple, basic food.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

I think if you just wrote down, logged in what you eat every day and had no program and no nothing, it would be helpful because he looked at the end of the day and thought, wow. Hey, I mean, if you're honest, I had a donut at work and then at lunch I had a, you know, whatever. And then in the afternoon, I. I shouldn't be doing that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, you're probably right. I don't feel like getting jabbed and slashed and paying 300 bucks and 25 bucks a month.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

I don't feel like collecting my dookies. Yes, Katie.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ah, glad to follow such a poet. Speaking of. Speaking of nuts, guys.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Yes.

[Announcer]

Just a slight update from earlier. Not any less sad, but Paulie Walnuts.

[Jack Armstrong]

Actually passed away three years ago. Well, we got the basic part right.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

July 8, 2022. What?

[Jack Armstrong]

So why is that. What is going on here?

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Oh, that's the. That's. Who did we kill off a couple. A couple of months ago. We killed off the wrong person. Like we had the completely wrong woman. We talked about her for a long time. Oh, it was the person. Gloria Gaynor. I will survive. Who's still alive and well, as far as I know, we had a different gainer. She's dead. We are the wrong people to go to for celebrity deaths. Oh, that's hilarious. Well, as we all celebrate the three year anniversary of the death of a. An actor he couldn't name by playing Starting to fade. A monster laughing on his three year anniversary. The traditional three year anniversary.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Oh, that is.

[Jack Armstrong]

We need to do better. We need to be better.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Well, it just shows you how meaningful celebrity dips are because we probably made a deal out of it when he died the first time.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right when we played it, I thought, wait a minute.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Anyway, well, we'll check. We'll hit you with this again in four years. I hope you're still listening, Armstrong and.

[Joe Getty]

Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

The Armstrong and Getty Show Jack and I have both been following the Caitlin Clark story in the wnba. She is, you know, I've compared her to what Tiger woods did to golf, but it's much more than that. As as monumental as Tiger. Tiger woods isn't on the Mount Rushmore of golf. He might be Mount Rushm of the modern game and all the money involved, but golf with respect to the stars of the past.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Golf was already popular though.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Like I say, I think Caitlyn's the NBA was not.

[Jack Armstrong]

Listen to this for a second. Caitlyn Clark's impact merchandise sales have soared 61%. Her team, the Indiana Fever's viewership jumped 170%. The team's value has tripled. Wow. League Pass TV subscriptions have climbed 366% since she joined the league last year. App engagement is up 613%. Her endorsements have topped $11 million. Holy crap.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

I was trying to find my quote from Ice Cube. Do you remember he had offered her, I think $3 million to play in this three by three league and she decided to go into the WNBA anyway and he was asked why he didn't offer, you know, big money to what's her rival's name, Reese. And he said they're, they're indifferent. Caitlin Clark's in a completely different stratosphere than Reese. I mean, they're not even close to the same thing, he said as a, you know, from the hood black rapper who's always standing up for, you know, the black community. As a businessman, he said they're not even close to the same thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, right. So with that as the backdrop, I saw with interest this piece by Sean McLean, who is, you know, he's actually got a history working for Ted Cruz and Marsha Blackburn, a Tennessee thinker, lobbyist, lawyer, etc. But anyway, his headline is the WNBA and Caitlin Clark's Civil Rights. If the league won't act to protect its superstar from a hostile work environment, the government should do so. And he talks about, in spite of her being the economic engine of the entire league now, she routinely faces intentional, intentional hits, excessive fouling, uncalled abuse while referees look away. Quotes one of her teammates and, and Caitlin Clark herself about how she gets the hell beat out of her in a way nobody else does in the league. And the refs look the other way, the players get away with it.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Why would the refs look the other way?

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

I get the player situation. I don't get the ref situation. Well, even the player situation, as Shaq and Charles Barkley and other others have said, what are you doing? This is the best thing that has ever happened to you. You.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, here's where we're going. Is it because Ms. Clark is white? Asia Wilson of the Las Vegas Aces, three time league mvp, thinks so. She said that race is a huge thing and that it boils my blood when people say it's not about race because it is.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

She said as a black woman. Under civil rights law, race motivated patterns trigger scrutiny even without explicit discriminatory intent. And then he goes into missed calls. Include viral replays of Ms. Clark being fouled multiple times in a single possession. Analyst Rebecca Lobo said every single one of those is a foul. Ms. Clark absorbed 17% of the flagrant fouls in the league last year. That is something double the rate of anybody else who was flagrantly foul and.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

They'Re claiming the claim there is by people who know what they're talking about that she gets hard fouled a lot when they don't call it. So of the ones she called by one player, she took 17%.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's unbelievable. So this guy, and we're not into like excessive lawsuits and that sort of thing around here. What we'd like to do is dismantle a lot of the DEI garbage. But he writes, the league has fostered a hostile workplace for Ms. Clark through excessive fouling, targeting and hostile comments from other players and owners. These are not isolated. They're documented, continued and ignored by officials. The disparity in treatment invites real scrutiny. Not a single player has been suspended for flagrantly fouling Ms. Clark.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

That's pretty interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

And he points out that professional sports are multi billion dollar industries and they're subject to the same civil rights, antitrust and labor laws as anybody else.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Wow. Yeah, I've never thought about this either because this seems like a unnecessary remedy.

[Jack Armstrong]

But if you've got given her money and power and popularity and everything, I get it.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

But if you've got a white employee of a business who's getting the hell beat out of them because of their race, that seems like a thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. You see. Oh. Yukon hall of Fame coach Gino Ariema says Ms. Clark's treatment isn't merely rookie hazing. Quote, she's also being targeted. I don't remember when Michael Jordan came into the NBA guys looking to go out and beat him up. Of course everybody got beat up in the NBA at that point. And then they get into the Supreme Court rulings that it doesn't need to be deliberate, it's just letting employees get favor. More favorable treatment than peers due to race, the shifts, the burden of the employer to prove non discriminatory motives. Anyway, she won't do it. But it's an interesting thought.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

I'm just surprised that there aren't more of the athletes or they, they haven't come to the conclusion like, like Shaq and Charles Barkley have said, you know, you want to beat her, you're competitive and all that sort of stuff, but good lord, let her bring in the ratings. So all of a sudden you're relevant and your league might actually have a shot of making money.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right? Two things. She is also in a smallish group of straight players. I don't know how big a role that plays. I really don't. But much more importantly, the WNBA players of today, unlike Shaq and Charles Barkley, for instance, they are of the generation that has been schooled on systemic racism and DEI and the rest of it. They believe that stuff they're taught at their entire school careers. So they see nothing but racism in Caitlin Clark's popularity. I want to take it out on her head.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

She's the all time leading scorer, men or women, in all of college. Better basketball.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, people just like her because she's white. All right, I know it's insane. It is. It is ideology, ideological blindness that borders on mental illness.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or a third host)]

Yeah, I'd say. And to your own detriment. I know sometimes it's bad just because it's immoral, but when it's actually hurting your salary, that's nuts.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, right. In fact, that might be like the key to the diagnosis of mental illness. As Dr. Savage used to say, liberalism is a mental disorder. If I'm so racially resentful, I pretend that her popularity isn't that she's an incredibly exciting player. Okay, all right, I'm kind of off kilter. But if I do it to my own detriment and that of my employer and my league and everything, that's when you're into Looney Tunesville, the Armstrong and Getty Show. Get more Jack, more Joe podcasts and our hot links at arms Armstrong&getty.com Ah, come on.

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Mile never seen anything like Eminem fans.

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[Jack Armstrong]

I had to look in the mirror.

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And be like, am I one of these crazy Stans that created a culture? I do have an addiction to Eminem.

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I travel the world for him.

[Jack Armstrong]

Without Eminem, I wouldn't have the life I have right now.

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What's your first question?

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[Jack Armstrong]

This is an iHeart podcast.