The Best Weekend Talk Show In America April Week One Hour One

Summary

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Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: “The Best Weekend Talk Show in America April Week One Hour One”
Date: April 3, 2026
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Producer/Panelists: Katie, Michael, Radio Board Operator

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Episode Overview

This hour of Armstrong & Getty delivers the host’s unique spin on the top stories dominating the week: the U.S. conflict with Iran, the Artemis space mission, a contentious Supreme Court birthright citizenship case, and pop-culture oddities like the Kristi Noem’s husband “bimbofication” scandal. The lively roundtable format balances sharp analysis with irreverent humor, offering insightful context to political drama while frequently veering into memorable rants, offbeat banter, and biting social commentary.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. U.S.–Iran War: Progress, Risks & Public Perception

• [00:39] Katie introduces “the ongoing conflict with Iraq, the blast off of Artemis, the SCOTUS birthright citizenship case—all pivotal moments in history.”

• [01:06-06:04] Detailed examination of recent U.S. military ops in Iran:

  • Michael notes the Iraq conflict lasted over 8 years; contrasts with the rapid decimation of Iranian capabilities.
  • Jack tells an intense story about a special forces Chinook mission—its near-disastrous elements, underscoring the fragility and unpredictability of military operations.

    "He took four bullets in the leg and continued to fly his helicopter on the mission... If one of those bullets had hit him in the stomach or the head or the chest...mission is over." —Jack Armstrong [03:40]

  • Katie: “The loss of one helicopter could have doomed the mission...it was a fairly small hit-and-run mission.”
  • Both hosts agree that public impatience ("why isn't this over?") clashes with the realities of modern warfare—especially in “the TikTok world.”

• [06:04-08:19] Discussion shifts to presidential leadership and messaging:

  • Katie critiques Trump for "selling the euro escapade as a perfect, flawless, easy in, easy out," cautioning against public expectations of tidy, short wars.
  • Jack references a “leaked Trump speech” where the ex-president muses about “taking the oil in Iran,” but doubts public appetite for a drawn-out campaign.

    "I just don't think people are going to put up with the stock market hit...long enough for us to take the oil." —Trump (paraphrased by Jack) [07:21]

2. International & Political Reactions

• [08:23-09:38] Clips from a Trump speech: touting strategic progress and coalition building.

  “Our armed forces have been extraordinary. There’s never been anything like it… core strategic objectives are nearing completion.” —Trump (via Michael) [08:23] “We are going to finish the job and we're going to finish it very fast.” —Trump [08:42]

• [09:07] News bite: Iran retaliates with missiles against Israel; refuses ceasefire.
• [09:45-10:25] NATO and ally tensions:
  • Trump applies pressure on European allies, especially over base access and re-opening the Strait of Hormuz.
  • Katie (on British capability): their navy is now “utterly unable to project force in any significant way. That's a quote. Just sad.”

3. Diplomacy and Messaging from Iran

• [12:38-13:18] Iran's president pens a letter declaring U.S. an aggressor.

  “Dearest President of Iran, you have been chanting death to America from your podium my entire life. Signed, me.” —Jack Armstrong [13:04]

• Military veterans’ perspective: Many former Iraq/Afghanistan soldiers are “gung ho” about action against Iran after years of Iranian meddling and attacks on Americans.

4. Potential for Lasting Middle East Change

• [14:06-15:03] Katie offers a cautiously optimistic take:

  “If this is successful, even like substantially successful, it could usher in an era of peace and stability in the Middle east for decades to come...the last thing that needs to be accomplished is to neuter Iran and make them cut it out.”

  • Speculation about internal Iranian politics: “the book may never be written, but man, I would like to know what the internal power struggles are like right now.”

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5. Kristi Noem's Husband & 'Bimbofication' Scandal

• [15:23-19:07] The team pivots from geopolitics to viral scandal:
  • Jack, Katie, and crew dissect viral photos and texts from Kristi Noem’s husband, whose private online life includes dressing in women's clothing and messaging adult performers.
  • Segment is frank and mocking but emphasizes that “there's lots of stuff that makes the news of no great significance.”
  • Notable tidbits:

    “He corresponded hundreds and hundreds of messages with adult performers with massively augmented breasts to achieve a Barbie doll-like appearance.” —Katie [17:40] “He proclaimed he coveted huge, huge, ridiculous boobs. That's a quote.” —Katie [17:57]

  • Discussion of surprise and the couple’s “awkward” public ordeal.

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6. Trump Attends Supreme Court Birthright Citizenship Case

• [19:16-28:22] Deep dive into the US Supreme Court hearing on birthright citizenship.
  • Jack notes it's the first time a sitting president has attended such a hearing—raising questions about precedent, tradition, and presidential power.
  • Katie jokes Trump may have been “reminding some of those justices, ‘I appointed you...I'm your daddy. Who’s your daddy?’” [26:59]
  • Discussion features lengthy audio and breakdown from the oral arguments, focusing on the concept of "domicile," originalism, and the realities of birth tourism.

    “It’s a new world, but it's the same constitution." —Jack Armstrong [24:58]

  • Katie compares Supreme Court oral arguments to a law school class—lots of hypothetical prodding and historical querying.

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7. April Fool's Day & Radio Prank History

• [28:31-32:49] The crew reminisces about April Fool’s radio gags and their mixed legacy.
  • Jack never understood the “logic” of April Fool’s pranks: “I've never understood why if you do something and I react, scared or hurt or whatever, that I'm a fool. I'm the fool for believing you.” [29:05]
  • Producer Michael recalls being left “on air” during a fake on-air fight as a rookie board operator.
  • Discussion of whether pranking builds camaraderie or just sows distrust.

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8. Blue-Collar Jobs, Plumber Contempt, & Cultural Attitudes

• [32:51-35:48] Strong reaction to Jimmy Kimmel lampooning ex-plumber/now Homeland Security Secretary Markwayne Mullen.
  • Katie and Jack blast elitist “contempt for regular jobs” and praise the success and complexity of Mullen’s plumbing business.

    “Clever entertainer having contempt for a guy who ran a huge plumbing business. Explain that one to me, Jimmy. Go ahead. I have time.” —Katie [34:33]

  • Discussion of Mike Rowe’s “Dirty Jobs” work in raising respect for trades.

    “How is preparing yourself for nothing and doing nothing better than going out and doing an actual job?” —Jack Armstrong [35:20]

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9. Trump on Tiger Woods’ DUI

• [35:48-36:56] Light segment on Trump’s comments defending Tiger Woods after a DUI, blaming his pain and not substance abuse.
  • Katie dryly admonishes: “Don’t do whatever you want, anything you want. Just don’t kill a little kid on her bike, all right?” [36:42]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “The success or failure of these military missions hangs on so many tiny little things going right.” —Jack Armstrong [03:53]
• “Tell the people...look, you know the phrase 'going sideways' when you're talking about war. It will. It's just a question of how much and in what way.” —Katie [06:04]
• “The contempt for regular jobs and the adoration of getting a degree and not even having a job. It’s weird how not even having a job is held up above a lot of jobs.” —Jack Armstrong [34:40]
• “I apologize on behalf of younger me.” —Jack Armstrong (about April Fool’s pranks) [32:43]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [00:39] Overview of show topics: Iran war, Artemis mission, SCOTUS case.
• [01:06-06:04] U.S. special forces mission in Iran; lessons on military unpredictability.
• [06:04-08:19] Trump’s strategy and the challenge of public patience.
• [08:23-09:38] Trump’s speech, coalition efforts, and Iran’s missile retaliation.
• [12:38-15:03] Iran’s letters, U.S. veterans' attitudes, prospects for a new Middle East peace.
• [15:23-19:07] Kristi Noem’s husband 'bimbofication' scandal.
• [19:16-28:22] Trump’s Supreme Court attendance, birthright citizenship arguments.
• [28:31-32:49] April Fool’s pranks and the ethics of radio gags.
• [32:51-35:48] Jimmy Kimmel’s attack on Markwayne Mullen; the dignity of blue-collar work.
• [35:48-36:56] Trump defends Tiger Woods post-DUI.

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Tone & Style

• Sharp, conversational, irreverent, occasionally biting, with abrupt pivots between topics and a trademark mix of gallows humor and earnest debate.
• Frequent attributions and quotations; playful yet pointed takedowns of political and cultural elites.
• Banter between hosts and panelists offers both comic relief and additional commentary.

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For full context and flavor, listen to the whole episode. For those who missed it, this summary provides a comprehensive guide to the hour’s most engaging content and signature Armstrong & Getty moments.

Transcript

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Katie]

So much to cover this week, as always. The ongoing conflict with Iraq, the blast off of the Artemis mission, the SCOTUS birthright citizenship case, all pivotal moments in history. And all this week.

[Jack Armstrong]

So we do 20 hours of live radio every single week. If you want more of us, Armstrong and Yeti, find our podcast, Armstrong and Getty on Demand.

[Katie]

Now let's get back to the weekend talk show in America.

[Michael]

Iraq went on for eight years, eight months and 28 days. We are in this military operation, so powerful, so brilliant, against one of the most powerful countries for 32 days. And the country has been eviscerated and essentially is really no longer a threat.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I heard somebody make the point yesterday that Iran is a top 20 military in the world. They're nowhere near the United States, but they're not nothing. And we've been.

[Katie]

Unlike the NCAA tournament, you rarely see a 125 upset, though, in the military rankings.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. But the idea that it should be over in. I don't know what mainstream media thought or the public maybe, I don't know what the public, how long the public thought the war should last if you go to war with Iran, of course, as a number of people have pointed out. Maybe you should have given the speech selling the war like day one.

[Katie]

Absolutely. Legit point of view.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I think so, too. Maybe I'll do this later. But, for instance, I wasn't aware until yesterday how close the whole Venezuela thing came to going completely sideways and being a disaster. I mean, it came really, really close to being a entirely failed effort. And if that had happened, in what way?

[Katie]

Just a nickel version.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I could go through it here. Why not? It's pretty damned interesting. And the point of that being, if it had, first of all, all military operations, even, you know, even when you got the upper hand by far, can go south, because they're very, very complicated and there's lots of moving parts. And secondly, if it had not worked out, I think pretty damned obviously we wouldn't have been going into Iran. There would have been no public mood for going into Iran.

[Katie]

Sure.

[Jack Armstrong]

See if I can find this.

[Katie]

There ain't much of one. Now, Here, look, here's what I got. Oh, you got it. Okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

So. And this is the. The army chief officer that got the presidential medal of freedom at the State of the Union address. And Trump gave an abbreviated story about what he did. But he was the lead Chinook helicopter pilot going in with the Special forces troops that were going to run in and secure the ground and set up the whole thing. They started firing on us, fired on that helicopter. He took four bullets in the leg and continued to fly his helicopter on the mission, landed it, got the guys off so they could secure the ground so the next helicopters could come in and complete the mission. Then he went up and flew over and his gunman took out the dudes that were shooting at him that almost killed him. He then said to his co pilot, you need to take over. I'm about to pass out. And they got the, the helicopter out of there. If one of those bullets had hit him in the stomach or the head or the chest, he goes down, missions over, mission is over. I read some analysis of it by a variety of experts that it almost certainly would have failed spectacularly if one of those bullets had killed him or if he wasn't able to continue to fly with four bullets in his legs and everything else like that. And it's just a point that, that the success or failure these military missions hangs on so many tiny little things going, right?

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And at some point we're going to have that in Iran. Maybe we already have.

[Katie]

Honestly, four bullets all missing the big arteries in the leg is a bit of a miracle. I find myself surprised that the loss of one helicopter could have doomed the mission like that, but it was a fairly small hit and run mission, so I get it, I guess.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right? Yeah. Well, you know, I could read the whole thing if you want to, but the, the military people explaining on how that, that helicopter getting in there, landing, the guys getting off to secure this so the next helicopters could land, blah, blah, blah. It just, it all hinged on him getting through there and landing. They also didn't know, they didn't think there was any chance he was going to get shot at. Again, the point being that things could go sideways so fast. And as we get further into trying to secure various islands or chunks of land, landing an expeditionary force to get the uranium back or anything like that, we got a long way to go on this war. And if we're already at the why isn't this over already, period, I don't know if you can sell a war in the tick tock world lasting very long.

[Katie]

You know, this is a bit of a tangent. I think Trump may be a little complicit in that. Having sold the euro escapade is a perfect, flawless, easy and easy out. Don't do that. Tell, tell the people. All right, look it, because you know the phrase going sideways when you're talking about war. It's, it will. It's just a question of how much and in what way.

[Jack Armstrong]

Have you seen the thing that leaked out yesterday as Trump speaking to a private group?

[Katie]

Don't think so.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. I hadn't heard about it until last night and I started watching and it's about an hour long. I got about a, halfway through it. It's pretty darned interesting. So he's, it's not like private, private, like he's at a dinner with four other people. He's in a, like a, a ballroom little room there at the White House with what looks like, I don't know, 60 people and he's standing at a podium talking to him. But it's a private thing of all friends. Vance is there and Bondi and then staffers and then Erica Kirk is there and just, it's all friendly. It's supposed to be behind closed doors, private. They recorded it because they record everything, I guess, and somehow posted it to the public site very briefly. Some journalists grabbed it, downloaded it, and then it disappeared from the public site. So it wasn't meant for public eyes.

[Katie]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

And it's really interesting to hear Trump talk in a completely different voice. Just his, his manner is so different. Halperin posted it on his newsletter today and he said it's both interesting how different he sounds when he's speaking to friends privately and how the same he sounds. I mean, both are true. His, his information was the same. The way he talks was a lot, lot different. But anyway, at one point, the reason I brought this up was he said we really should take the oil. I mean, he said that was my big complaint with Bush is that we went to Iraq and we didn't take the oil. Why didn't we take the oil? He said, I think we take the oil in Iran, but I'm not sure the country's got the stomach for the timetable. Said, I just, I just don't think people are going to put up with the stock market hit and everything long enough for us to take the oil. So I guess we'll see. I thought that was pretty interesting. He's aware that public opinion is not on the side of this and that the timetable is really short.

[Katie]

Michael, let's hear 54 from the speech last night.

[Michael]

Our armed forces have been extraordinary. There's never been anything like it. Militarily everyone is talking about it. And tonight I'm pleased to say that these core strategic objectives are nearing completion.

[Katie]

And then he continues the thought and

[Michael]

we are going to finish the job and we're going to finish it very fast. We're getting very close. I want to thank our allies in the Middle East, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the uae, Kuwait and Bahrain. They've been great and we will not let them get hurt or fail in any way, shape or form.

[Jack Armstrong]

So how. What did Iran think of the speech? Well, here you go.

[News Reporter]

Meanwhile, Iran is responding to the President's speech last night by really doubling down. Firing several missiles at Israel overnight. Ballistic missiles. So far, most have been intercepted. However, we do know that some injuries have been reported. Iranian officials are also rejecting any ceasefire and vowing further retaliation after President Trump warned the US Will hit the country and I quote, extremely hard over the next two to three weeks.

[Jack Armstrong]

Gonna bomb them back to the Stone Age, but you gotta open the Strait of Hormuz, which came up in the news yesterday.

[Political Commentator]

The UK Prime Minister is leading a virtual summit today of 35 countries to try to build some kind of consensus on military or diplomatic effort, words to reopen the Strait. Obviously a response to that strong pressure from President Trump. But you heard Secretary Rubio say on Hannity the other night that, you know, if these countries are not going to allow the US to use those bases when it needs to, then NATO is a one way street and the troops are only in Europe for the defense of Europe, not for American interests. That's the message here from the White House.

[Jack Armstrong]

We have had troops in Europe for a very, very long time specifically to defend your countries from being invaded.

[Katie]

It wasn't for our benefit. Yeah. I also reference to the humiliation that the Brits are experiencing right now because they can't get their aircraft carrier, either one of them, up and running. They're in such terrible shape. They spend 60% of their time in dry dock getting fixed or in wet dock being fixed. But they don't have parts, they don't have the expertise to fix it. Their navy has been reduced, according to British media accounts, to utterly unable to project force in any significant way. That's a quote. Just sad.

[Jack Armstrong]

I thought this was darn interesting because, you know, the conversation of is there negotiation going on?

[Katie]

Oh, wait, wait, before we move on for that, because that's very important. Can't resist this. Speaking of NATO and our allies, 18 Michael.

[Michael]

Then I call up France Macron, whose wife treats him extremely badly and. Still recovering from the right to the jaw. And I say, emmanuel, we'd love to have some help in the Gulf. Even though we're setting records and knocking out bad people and knocking out ballistic missiles, we'd love to have some help. If you could. Could you please send ships immediately? No, no, no. Cannot do that. Do not. We can. We can do that after the war is won. I said, no, no, I don't need. After the war is won, Emmanuel. Many of them said, we'll be there after the war is completed.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's from that thing I was talking about, that private leaked out luncheon thing that he had. He made a joke about Macron's old lady beating him up.

[Katie]

Still recovering from that. Right to the jaw.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then he says he sees Erica Kirk sitting there and he said, oh, hey, Erica, I didn't know you're here. He said, I'll tell you what, what they're saying about you is awful. I'd sue their asses off if I were you. Sue their asses off. That's what Trump told her.

[Katie]

I've got some examples of that for later, but back to your.

[Jack Armstrong]

So a lot of mainstream media claiming that Trump's lying about this whole negotiating thing, that there's not actually any negotiations going on and who's it with all that, And I don't know who it's with. But this came out yesterday, was just

[Iranian President's Spokesperson]

a few hours before the address. Iran's president penned a letter to the American people saying that Iran is not a threat. In fact, he called the United States the aggressor. And he says continuing along the path of confrontation is more costly and futile than ever before. President Trump earlier, he claims that the Iranian president wants a cease fire, but a spokesperson for Iran's president says their country is determined to fight on.

[Jack Armstrong]

He penned a letter, did he, saying that they're not a threat to the United States. Can I pen a letter back to him? I don't know his address. Dearest President of Iran, you have been chanting death to America from your podium my entire life signed to me.

[Katie]

What do you mean? Actually killing Americans every chance you get. So shut up.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I heard one of my favorite pundits talking about running into some military guys in the bar, and he was interested that all of the former Iraq, Afghanistan veterans of those wars were gung ho about this because they all had. Had friends hurt or killed by Iranians, all of them. So they were gung ho about this?

[Katie]

Yeah. That is interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

All those roadside bombs and, you know, all the lost limbs and lost life and everything like that, those were bombs either developed by or completely made by and helped by Iran all those years.

[Katie]

Yeah, yeah. I wish there were any sort of honest discussion about this going on in a way that people would actually hear and think about because you know it. To say this is going to happen is ridiculously premature. But if this is successful, even like substantially successful, it could usher in an era of peace and stability in the Middle east for decades to come. Decades to come in a way that we've never seen before. All the stars are aligned for that. And the last thing that needs to be accomplished is to neuter Iran and make them cut it out. For what it's worth, in discussing the President of Iran's letter and everything, the book may never be written, but man, I would like to know what the internal power struggles are like right now. As I would guess everybody is trying to come off as the hardest hard ass that's ever hard assed.

[Jack Armstrong]

Meanwhile.

[Katie]

But I still think maybe we should talk to the Americans. But I'm a hard ass. I'm a serious hard ass. But we're getting killed, so I mean, that's gotta be vexing. I don't envy them. Yeah, we're probably the bombs falling on their heads. I don't envy that either.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know if I saw any news coverage yesterday of the Kristi Gnomes husband bimbofication story. Apparently we still have some decorum and standards where we just don't get into stuff like that on the serious shows. Because I didn't. I didn't see it anywhere. Did you?

[Katie]

I don't think it's of any great significance other than being interesting from sexual kink perspectives.

[Jack Armstrong]

There's lots of stuff that makes the news of. No, no great significance.

[Katie]

Like most of my gosh. Yeah, almost all of it. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I just was surprised nobody did it. So apparently the meme is going around the Marco Rubio finding out meme that has been going for quite some time. Marco Rubio finding out he's now the quarterback of the, you know, the Green Bay Packers.

[Katie]

The New York Jets. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I'm sitting on the couch in his uniform. We're not finding out he's the new Shaw of Iran. Marco Rubio finding out he's now Kristi Noem's husband. But it's a picture of him in pink spandex looking at a giant bra. Confused.

[Katie]

I've seen a couple of different versions of that. Yeah. Bimbofication.

[Jack Armstrong]

So Kristi Noem, who was the Department of Homeland Security secretary up until a couple of weeks ago.

[Katie]

Ice Barbie.

[Jack Armstrong]

And there are all the rumors which seem to be pretty fact based, that she was having an affair with Corey Lewandowski, which was Trump's original campaign manager that got him elected way back in 2016. Anyhoo. And then you had the weird thing of Kristi Noem being grilled by Congress and her husband sitting right behind her as Congress asked her about the affair.

[Katie]

Well, she. He had left at that point to catch a plane to probably a bimbofication conference.

[Jack Armstrong]

More on that.

[Katie]

Stay with us.

[Jack Armstrong]

And that's why we know anything about Kristi Noem's husband really is that he was sitting behind her at that grilling. Just awkward all the way around. Anyway, story breaks yesterday and whether or not Kristi Noem knew about it herself, I'm still skeptical. She's claiming the family had no idea. They were completely blindsided when all these pictures came out of him dressed in really tight tops with giant, giant balloons or something under his shirt to look like enormous boobs and his tiny little shorts and it's some sort of kink called bimbofication, which I don't know that I'd ever heard of.

[Katie]

And he corresponded hundreds and hundreds of messages with adult performers with massively augmented breasts to achieve a Barbie dial like appearance. No, it's Barbie Dial like it doesn't begin to describe it.

[Jack Armstrong]

No. And he didn't try to hide who he was at all in these.

[Katie]

Proclaimed he coveted huge, huge, ridiculous boobs. That's a quote.

[Jack Armstrong]

He was willing to share these pictures with his face well lit and very clear who he was with all kinds of random people who are into bimbofication.

[Katie]

Jack. His face is fully visible in several of the photos. One with a completely straight visage and others making a flirtatious kissy face with pursed lips. Back to you.

[Jack Armstrong]

I feel like the tiny little pink shorts are more offensive than the giant bazumbas.

[Katie]

Guy's successful insurance executive. He sent some of these performers over $25,000 via Cash App and PayPal as tips as they would, you know, do whatever he bid or engage in whatever conversation.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ian Christie. Been married for 34 years. Like high school sweetheart sort of couple.

[Katie]

He traded selfies with one woman he pledged to worship like a goddess, telling her, quote, you turned me into a girl before asking if he should put on leggings.

[Jack Armstrong]

But he was. He's straight, as far as we can tell.

[Katie]

I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

It doesn't matter, really.

[Radio Producer]

A straight guy thing to do.

[Jack Armstrong]

Those little pink shorts don't seem very straight, but I might not fully understand bimbofication.

[Joe Getty]

Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Katie]

This is the best weekend talk show in America.

[Jack Armstrong]

Trump has left the Supreme Court. CNN says Trump leaves Supreme Court as justices. Justices express deep skepticism of his birthright citizenship case, which we'll get into more of that in a second. But apparently that's the first time a sitting president has ever attended the royal arguments ever in our nation's history. Wow, interesting. You're not supposed to be able to leave unless, I mean, you can't. Once you're in there, you have to stay in there. Yeah.

[Katie]

You can't come and go from the Supreme Court.

[Attorney]

Now.

[Jack Armstrong]

You got to assume that doesn't apply to a president during wartime. What if I make some decisions on the whole war? You got to stay till lunchtime. Sorry, just the rules.

[Katie]

Chairman of Joint Chiefs is texting me. Your phone's supposed to be off, buddy. Okay, Trump, what if you have to go really, really bad? What if you raise your hand, say, excuse me, Mr. Chief Justice, I gotta go bad. It's gonna be, I mean, it's either here or in the bathroom. I'll leave that critical decision or up to you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Your honor, I wonder if Trump is going to say something about what he was hearing from some of the justices he appointed.

[Katie]

He's going to.

[Jack Armstrong]

You said he said some bad things about the justices last night. I didn't hear any of that.

[Katie]

Oh, it was terrible. I think we have, I thought we had that tape at audio. I don't see it.

[Jack Armstrong]

They're arguing whether over at the whole birthright citizenship thing applies the way it's being applied. Anybody that comes to this country, you have a baby here, they're a US Citizen with all the rights and services, taxpayer funded services that come with that for the rest of their lives, up

[Katie]

to and including some birth tourist, Chinese oligarchs, surrogate, who, as I put it indelicately earlier in the show, gets off a plane, squats on the tarmac at lax, pops a kid and then gets back on the plane, goes back to China, that kid's a U.S. citizen.

[Jack Armstrong]

I would care a lot.

[Katie]

Laughable.

[Jack Armstrong]

I would care a lot less if we weren't such a welfare state. But you get into this country any way you can and you have a kid here, that kid. Now I have to feed and house and medicate and take care of their medical bills for the rest of their life As a taxpayer. Correct kind of deal is that?

[Katie]

Well, we take care of illegals too in the blue states, but what are you gonna do? You gonna vote in the next election anyway? We ready for a little audio? Just to give you a sampling of what it sounded like? This is my man Neil Gorsuch with the. The advocate for the administration's position.

[Neil Gorsuch]

Whose domicile matters? I mean, it's not the child, obviously, it's your. It's the parents you'd have us focus on. And you know, what if, Is it the husband, is it the wife? What if they're unmarried? Who's domicile?

[Attorney]

Well, in, in the executive order, it draws a distinction between the mother and the father. It's really the mother's domicile. I think that would matter.

[Neil Gorsuch]

Well, but 1868 matters. You're telling us. So what's, what's the answer?

[Attorney]

The 1868 sources talk about parental. I'm not aware of them. Drugging distinction between mother or father. But they say the domicile of the child follows the domicile of the parents.

[Neil Gorsuch]

And how are we going to determine domicile? I mean, would we use contemporary sources on what qualifies as domicile in a state? Or do we look in 1868 and do we have to do this for every single person?

[Attorney]

And again, I don't see a strong distinction between those because of course, domicile is a high level concept, has been pretty consistent over centuries, which is lawful presence with the intent to remain permanently. That domicile. When you come to a new nation, you say, I'm here for to stay. You become part of their political community and you become akin to a citizen. And that's reflected very strongly in the case I cited before.

[Katie]

John Sauer is a brilliant attorney with a terrible voice. He really needs some sort of AI system. The concept of domicile is a high

[Jack Armstrong]

level theory between his voice and my not being particularly bright. I didn't really get much out of that.

[Katie]

Well, yeah, it's. It's not a question of bright. I was regretting not setting it up more thoroughly as I was listening to that. The question. Oh, man, I don't even want to get into the weeds. The question is, is the person passing through or do they live here? And that's a distinction that the lawyers are saying matters because the law was never, or. I'm sorry, the 14th amendment was never intended to reflect somebody who like came in to do business with a cotton company and then immediately sailed back to England.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm sorry, the guy with the horrible voice, was he arguing for the president's side or for the other side? So he's arguing for the president's side, that people shouldn't be able to come here, that it was all about slavery and we don't have slaves anymore. So this is all stupid, right?

[Katie]

Yeah, essentially. Let's go with clip 103 where he's explaining that there are all sorts of weird wrinkles in how people come to have kids in this country.

[Attorney]

There are 500, 500 birth tourism companies in the People's Republic of China whose business is to bring people here to give birth and return to that nation.

[Jack Armstrong]

Having said all that, you do agree

[Michael]

that that has no impact on the legal analysis before us?

[Attorney]

I think it's, I quote what Justice Scalia said in his Hamdan dissent where they had where like their interpretation has these implications that could not possibly have been approved by the 19th century framers of this amendment. I think that shows that they've made a mess. Their interpretation has made a mess of the provision.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, it certainly wasn't a problem in the 19th century.

[Attorney]

No. But of course, we're in a new world now, as Justice Lito pointed out, to where 8 billion people are one plane ride away from having a, a child who's a U.S. citizen.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, it's a new world. It's the same constitution.

[Michael]

It is.

[Attorney]

And as Justice Scalia said, I think in the case that Justice Alito was referring to, you've got a constitutional provision that addresses certain evils and it should be extended to reason easily comparable evils. He said that about statutory interpretation. I think the same principle applies here. And I think we quote that in our brief.

[Jack Armstrong]

So Garcia's saying it's a new world, but we have the same Constitution. He's making the argument that drastic changes in, for instance, the ability to travel shouldn't matter.

[Katie]

No, it's funny. It struck me and I'm learning more and more about law school because my daughter is in it right now that a lot of classes, you do your reading and there might be a lecture or whatever, then the professor says, Mr. Armstrong, and you stand up and you're like, oh, boy. And they say, and they ask you a probing question like that, you know, it's still the same Constitution. Why would we change the interpretation just because of the presence of air flights and you've got to explain yourself and you're understanding the law and that sort of thing. And so it strikes me that the oral arguments are like a law school class. A lot of the time they're just quizzing the lawyer on help me think through this. Think through this. I didn't get Robert's point Honestly, what the administration is saying is that the world has changed so wildly that the court decisions subsequent to the 14th Amendment in 1898 and 1910 and whatever else, they're irrelevant now. We've got to go originalist and look at the framing of the 14th Amendment. What did they. They mean? Not what some court in 1898 thought they probably kind of meant in the modern world. No, we've got to go back to the source and look at the source as the only lens through which we look at the modern interpretation.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why. Why do you think Trump was in the courtroom today?

[Katie]

I. I don't know. Part of me thinks he was. He wanted to intimidate a little bit or remind some of those justices I appointed you. All right. I'm your daddy. Who's your daddy? I'm your daddy. And part of me just thinks he thinks it's really, really important and he

[Jack Armstrong]

wanted to hear it. That second part could be true, although that would have been true for lots of presidents in cases they wanted to turn out a certain way and they didn't show up over there.

[Katie]

Yeah. The tradition was you would never do that because it could be seen as one branch interfering with the other branch or intimidation or whatever. I can't imagine entirely.

[Jack Armstrong]

He doesn't have any power to intimidate anybody, though. He can't remove them. He can't. He can't damage them in any way.

[Katie]

Well, if he whips up, like, the MAGA base against them, it could physically be dangerous or, you know, undermine the court, which I know Roberts is really concerned about.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know how he could whip up the mega base against them any more than the. The people who hate Trump have whipped it up against justices on the conservative side already.

[Katie]

Yeah. You know, the funny thing about Trump is he's so precedent upsetting in a lot of ways that when he upsets precedent, it's just. It's not that big a deal. I mean, no sitting president has ever attended Supreme Court oral arguments on a case that he was party to. Yeah, well, he does all sorts of crap.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And it just happened. And how. How shaken does the world seem to be looking around?

[Katie]

I think we're okay. I'm not saying I like it, but.

[Jack Armstrong]

So it's April 1st. You know what you do on April 1st? You go to a loved one who you have earned their trust over many, many years of being a certain kind of person. Then you say something crazy to them

[Katie]

that's a lie that causes them disturbing, frightening, sickening.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. It causes them some Unpleasant feeling. And then you say April Fools. You say to your husband, I've been thinking about it, and I want a divorce. And then when he's done crying or whatever. Yes, you say april Fools.

[Katie]

Right. It's funny.

[Jack Armstrong]

Maybe tell your little kid. Maybe tell your little kid you're moving and you're going to have. You're never going to see your friends again. And then you say april Fools. I'm just doing this routine because I. From a child. I've never understood April Fools. I just have never understood why if you do something and I react, scared or hurt or whatever, that I'm a fool. I'm the fool for believing you.

[Katie]

You're only introducing terrible things that turn out not to be true. Because that's almost a happy ending. How about really good things that you then reveal? Nope.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's not happening, you fool.

[Katie]

School's out today, kids. School's out today. You can play all day. April Fools. Get ready for school.

[Jack Armstrong]

Katie, do you ever work any radio stations where it was sort of obligatory that you did some sort of April Fool's prank? I feel like Joe and I did that way back in the day. I don't even hardly remember, though.

[Katie]

103 Rock is now 103 country playing. Yeah, country, it's all. Meanwhile, the country station across the street is 103 country.

[Jack Armstrong]

101 country is now 101 rock. All your listeners are outraged and they

[Katie]

call and they're angry and you say, we're kidding.

[Radio Producer]

I worked for a station that decided to fire the morning show on April 1, though. And being the phone screener during that debacle and trying to explain. No, this isn't. This isn't a joke.

[Jack Armstrong]

What?

[Radio Producer]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

That was bad timing.

[Radio Producer]

Yeah, no kidding.

[Jack Armstrong]

Given the history of morning radio, didn't we do the fake parade thing once? That's kind of a. A thing. Lots of people.

[Katie]

Yes, I think we did that once.

[Jack Armstrong]

It was kind of fun. Have you ever heard that before, Katie?

[Radio Producer]

No.

[Jack Armstrong]

Where you pretend there's a big April Fool's parade downtown and you. You go live down there and there's bands and all this, and there's no parade.

[Katie]

We described the floats. This was years ago.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Katie]

Yes, Michael.

[Radio Board Operator]

You guys don't remember the April Fool's joke you did?

[Katie]

Oh, right. Actually do. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Michael, tell the story before we go to break.

[Radio Board Operator]

I had just started with the show and what happened?

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[Radio Producer]

Gladys has to get in here.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Radio Board Operator]

I had to reach over to Grandpa.

[Katie]

Had to reach over and nudge Gladys.

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly. She fell asleep.

[Radio Producer]

Make sure she's alive.

[Radio Board Operator]

I was with the show maybe eight weeks and I'm running the board for them and they're doing their thing and they pretend to get in a fight, I believe, and they say bitter argument, bitter argument. And they storm out. They said, that's it, we're not doing this anymore. They just left me there

[Radio Producer]

right in

[Katie]

the middle of a segment.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Oh, forgotten. What did you end up doing?

[Radio Board Operator]

I can't remember. I don't know if I cracked the mic or if I went to a commercial or just. I just, I can't remember.

[Radio Producer]

Oh, my gosh. This audio has to be somewhere.

[Radio Board Operator]

It's on a reel somewhere.

[Katie]

Probably like literally a reel of tape.

[Jack Armstrong]

But that is similar to what I was mocking before. So here's some people that I work for. We're now going to make it clear that you can't believe anything we say or that we think cruelty to you, causing you emotional pain for our, for our pleasure is perfectly on the table.

[Katie]

Stress, terrible stress, gut wrenching stress.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're a young person, you've got a job.

[Radio Board Operator]

I just met you guys. I really, I didn't know them very well at all.

[Jack Armstrong]

We were horrible people.

[Radio Producer]

Now you'd be like, knock it off.

[Jack Armstrong]

We are much better people now, I think.

[Katie]

Oh, my God. I don't know. Less fun, evidently. Listening to you, we're less fun people.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God. I apologize on behalf of younger me.

[Radio Board Operator]

Oh, I still look back at it with joy.

[Jack Armstrong]

There you go.

[Joe Getty]

Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

We've decided to call this the best weekend talk show in America. And if you like it, download Armstrong and Yeti on demand. So I actually haven't heard this. I've only read people's complaints about it. So we're about to hear it. So last week, Jimmy Kimmel, who has a late night talk show, I guess was making cracks about the fact that Senator, former Senator Mark Wayne Mullen is now the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security and comes from a plumbing background which I guess is mockable in Jimmy Kimmel's world. Here's what it sounded like.

[Katie]

Don't worry, Trump's got a whole new

[Jimmy Kimmel]

generation of thinkers lined up, including his newly confirmed Secretary of Homeland Security, Mark Wayne. Chuck, Mike, Bruce, Dave Mullen. Maybe Mellon's better. He is the now former Senator of Oklahoma. Before he was elected to the Senate, Mark Wayne Mullen was a low level MMA fighter and a plumber.

[Neil Gorsuch]

That's right.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

We have a plumber protecting us from terrorism now.

[Katie]

Yeah, Mark Wayne Mullen took over his family plumbing Business when his dad was sick and turned it into a business. From I think it was three employees, something like that, to 200 or 300, managing changes in technology, personnel, you know, regulation growth, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, he's an idiot. Jimmy, you're way smarter.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, this is the backlash that it received from certain quarters. Even if Mark Wayne Mullen was just a regular plumber who I think on average they make like $200,000 a year. What? Your bachelor's degree in something or other that nobody's ever heard of and you've done nothing with would be better somehow. Where does that come from?

[Katie]

Well, in a clever entertainer having contempt for a guy who ran a huge plumbing business. Explain that one to me, Jimmy. Go ahead. I have time.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, the tittering of a crowd, though, also. It's just that we all know we've talked about this for years, the contempt for regular jobs and the adoration of getting a degree and not even having a job. It's weird how not even having a job is held up above a lot of jobs.

[Katie]

Well. And getting a useless degree at a grade inflated university, that doesn't teach you anything. And then getting some sort of low paying cubicle job as a result is admirable and lauded. And the guy running a giant plumbing business is a fool. That's just. I just, I can't dislike these people enough. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

That a lot of things, it doesn't matter to me. You know, think that all you want, enjoy your life, you're gonna. You're wrong. But as a cultural attitude, it's really bad for the country. So that, that's where, that's where it bothers me. It needs to, needs to be changed. I think Mike Row did a lot of good work on that over the last couple of decades. Just changing that attitude of how is preparing yourself for nothing than doing nothing better than going out and doing an actual job.

[Katie]

Right, Right. Yeah, I agree. Obviously. Coming up, a little final dissection of the no Kings rallies, which I think were ridiculous. Exercise in virtually nothing. But Jack tells me there is pushback. But first, inexplicable. Are you kidding me? Trump slash Tiger Woods News. President Trump has told the New York Post that he spoke with golfer Tiger woods following his latest DUI arrest in Florida, saying the legendary athlete lives a life of pain due to physical injuries, but is doing great. I've talked to him. I think he's doing great. He's doing good. He said he tested negative for alcohol, as you know, and he is under a tremendous physical pressure from his various ailments. You know, the back and the leg. He lives a life of pain. He has a lot of pain. He's an amazing guy. He's an amazing athlete. He does have pain. He doesn't have an alcohol problem, but he does have pain.

[Jack Armstrong]

Don't drive, dude.

[Katie]

Don't do whatever you want, anything you want. Just don't kill a little kid on her bike, all right? And you don't know in advance when you're going to do that. So stay the fish out from behind the wheel.

[Joe Getty]

Tyggy, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Katie]

This is the best weekend talk show in America.