The Bootie Rumble

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand: “The Bootie Rumble”

Podcast: Armstrong & Getty On Demand
Date: May 12, 2026
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Guests: Spencer Pratt (LA Mayoral Candidate)
Theme: Political disruption and public safety in Los Angeles; ongoing questions about Michael Jackson’s legacy; cultural debates over education, identity, and anti-Semitism.

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Episode Overview

This episode is a raucous, unfiltered deep dive into two hot topics: the disruptive LA mayoral campaign of reality star Spencer Pratt and a fresh wave of disturbing Michael Jackson allegations. Armstrong & Getty bounce between irreverent jokes, biting political takes, listener skepticism, and uncomfortable cultural reckonings, all while maintaining their signature mix of skepticism and humor. The show also touches on topics like law enforcement in big cities, education trends, and rising anti-Semitism.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Spencer Pratt for LA Mayor: The Reality Star Disrupts Local Politics

• Spencer Pratt, famous from reality TV, is running for mayor of Los Angeles, attracting attention for his no-nonsense, law-and-order platform.
• Pratt insists he represents “results” over party politics:

  “If there was a letter next to my name, it would be an R, but that R would stand for results. I'm coming in here with no tribal politics. I'm coming here to represent all Angelenos.” — Spencer Pratt (00:48)

• His campaign’s core issue: enforce laws to clean up LA’s streets, tackle crime, open drug use, and homelessness.
• Notable policy: Immediate citywide signage and a grace period for public nuisance crimes, followed by strict enforcement:

  “My plan is first three weeks, signs up across the city. No more nakedness, no more drug use, no more robbing, no more burning dogs in the street… And then once we start enforcing the laws, boom, Streets will be back.” — Spencer Pratt (02:27)

• Armstrong & Getty compare this approach to how San Francisco cleaned up certain areas merely through enforcement.
• Debate drama: The latest mayoral debate is canceled; both incumbent Karen Bass and Pratt cited conflicts, which hosts see as may be strategic avoidance.

Memorable Quote

“If you're a drug addict, you can just laugh at the law. Stop doing that, Seattle. That's what Spencer Pratt is saying about Los Angeles.” — Jack Armstrong (03:05)

Timestamps

• Pratt’s law-and-order plan & candidacy (00:43 — 05:02)
• Debate cancellation (05:17)
• Armstrong & Getty’s commentary on law enforcement & big cities (03:05 — 06:23)

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2. Attack Ads & Unions: The Backlash Against Pratt

• A new attack ad funded by public employee unions paints Pratt as out-of-step with LA, criticizing his opposition to union power and preference for policing over social workers:

  “Republican Spencer Pratt is the last thing Los Angeles needs for mayor. Pratt opposes using taxpayer money to build brand new houses for our unhoused neighbors… Pratt thinks LA needs thousands more police officers rather than more social workers. And Republican Spencer Pratt thinks public employee unions should have less power.” — Attack Ad, read by Jack Armstrong (07:42)

• The hosts mock the ad’s “scary” tone and question whether it will backfire—seeming to validate Pratt’s law-and-order message with regular voters.

Memorable Moment

“When’s voting day? How soon can I… Can I vote early? Can I vote twice? Probably.” — Jack Armstrong’s mockery of the attack ad (08:23)

Timestamps

• Union attack ad and reaction (07:42 — 08:48)

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3. Wider Political and Cultural Riffs

• Discussion of unreliable polls and potential election “skullduggery” in LA—ballot harvesting, poor signature checks, etc., and skepticism towards local polling.
• Armstrong brings up the disconnect between widespread support for voter ID and opposition from Democratic leadership.
• Ongoing concern about overdose deaths, untreated addiction, and the “cult of suicidal empathy” among policymakers:

  “Easing a young person into death on the pavement is not compassion.” — Jack Armstrong (06:41)

Timestamps

• Voter ID debate and mail-in voting (16:17 — 18:02)
• Commentary on the political “booty rumble” (18:02)

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4. Education, Technology, and Shifting Political Codes

• A tangent on how the cultural coding of tech and pedagogy has flipped: Teslas now “code conservative” due to Elon Musk; anti-cheating measures in colleges now seen as “right-wing.”
• Concerns that elite universities are making tests too easy or disallowing timed exams to accommodate every claimed disability.
• Sharp critique of AI-enabled cheating, academic decline, and the left’s embrace of “anti-knowledge” policies:

  “Full brain death is the most equitable result. Blah blah blah… Education solved. Playing field leveled.” — Quoting Nellie Bowles (12:11)

Memorable Quote

“All the CHAT GPT or CHAT GP cheating. That's kind of clever. Which is to make kids take tests in person, pen to paper, ass in seat. But colleges are now run by people who think that's crazy, unfair and wrong.” — Jack Armstrong (11:04)

Timestamps

• Education & AI segment (10:36 — 13:56)

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5. Media Fearmongering: Cruise Ship “Pandemic”

• Brief media criticism: sensationalist news coverage repeatedly warning about a possible new pandemic—long after experts have said there’s no cause for alarm.
• The hosts mock the redundancy and theatrical presentation of TV news:

  “Could this become the next pandemic?” (clip) — “They got me again.” — Spencer Pratt (14:55)

Timestamps

• Media sensationalism about pandemics (14:32 — 15:34)

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6. Michael Jackson Allegations: The “Bootie Rumble” Exposed

• Main story: Four siblings (the Cascio family), who were close to Michael Jackson, appear on 60 Minutes Australia alleging years of grooming and explicit sexual abuse—detailing new, graphic acts (including the so-called “Bootie Rumble” and even more disturbing alleged behaviors).
• Recap of the allegations, the context of the new biopic, the family’s relationship with Jackson, and skepticism from both hosts and audience.
• Emphasis that Australian “60 Minutes” is more tabloid and less reputable than the U.S. version, though the story is treated seriously.
• Hosts express deep unease and confusion about the truth, the timing of allegations, and the role of financial motives:

  “I still, I don't know where you are on it, but I still don't really know what I think Michael Jackson was or wasn't.” — Joe Getty (19:22)

• Discussion on the likelihood of the allegations being true, impact of money, and the difficulty of knowing the truth after so many years.
• Explicit recitation of allegations—Trigger Warning—includes descriptions of abuse, “Bootie Rumble”, and bizarre acts.
• The hosts swing between disbelief, disgust, and dark humor, maintaining the show’s irreverent style even when confronting very dark material.

Notable Quotes

“We're gonna play Booty Rumble now.” — Michael Jackson, as quoted by Eddie Cascio (29:11)
“He would also drink my urine. Well, and tell me. This is. This is how much I love you. I may be 12 years old at this time. Like I'm a child who's seeing a grown man do this.” — Dominic Cascio, as recounted by Jack Armstrong (29:32)
“Let's hope this isn't true. I hope it's a cash grab and none of that happened. God dang it.” — Joe Getty (33:06)

Timestamps

• Michael Jackson segment beginning (15:48)
• New abuse allegations, “Bootie Rumble” (29:11 — 30:05)
• Hosts’ reflections and skepticism (19:22, 33:06)

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7. Anti-Semitism and Societal Sickness

• Switches gears to discuss rising antisemitism, particularly recent stabbings of Jews in London.
• Critique of public figures who excuse or contextualize such violence by referencing Jewish support for Israel:

  “The Jew stabbing, it's not good. But we should talk more about why we might be Jew stabbing because they have a point. The real problem is not the Jews getting stabbed, but the bad, bad thoughts in the Jews heads…” — Jack Armstrong (36:10)

• Reads a letter from a listener warning that anti-Semitic scapegoating is a sign of “sickness in a society.”

Timestamps

• Antisemitism, listener feedback (34:17 — 37:59)

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• On Law Enforcement:

  “Unless you're part of the cult of suicidal empathy, all these things are utterly clear to you.” — Jack Armstrong (06:41)

• On Union Power & Politics:

  “Pratt thinks LA needs thousands more police officers rather than more social workers.” — Attack Ad (07:42)

• On Political Strategy:

  “How soon can I… Can I vote early? Can I vote twice? Probably.” — Jack Armstrong (08:23)

• On Michael Jackson Allegations:

  “We're gonna play Booty Rumble now.” — Michael Jackson as recounted by accuser (29:11)
  “He would also drink my urine. Well… This is how much I love you. I may be 12 years old at this time.” — Dominic Cascio (29:32)

• On the Difficulty of Truth:

  “I still don’t really know what I think Michael Jackson was or wasn’t.” — Joe Getty (19:22)

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Overall Tone

The episode is rapid-fire, sardonic, irreverent, and sometimes swings into the darkly comic—even when covering deeply serious or grotesque stories. Armstrong & Getty keep a skeptical distance from political narratives and popular news but don’t shy away from uncomfortable material, instead engaging it with a mix of incredulity, gallows humor, and, at times, openly stated uncertainty.

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Summary Timeline

• 00:43 — 06:23: Spencer Pratt’s LA mayoral campaign, law-and-order agenda, and city crime/homelessness.
• 07:42 — 08:48: Attack ads and union backlash to Pratt’s candidacy.
• 10:36 — 13:56: Shuffle to education policy, AI cheating, and shifting political codes.
• 14:32 — 15:34: Media’s pandemic panic and sensationalism.
• 15:48 — 33:06: Michael Jackson abuse allegations from the Cascio family, including explicit claims and cultural reflection.
• 34:17 — 37:59: Rising antisemitism, listener mail, philosophical reflection on societal illness.

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If you want unvarnished, sometimes uncomfortable talk radio with a blend of biting humor and hard questions, this episode of Armstrong & Getty exemplifies their take-no-prisoners style.

Transcript

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln radio

[Joe Getty]

studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center,

[Jack Armstrong]

Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Yeti.

[Joe Getty]

Do you identify with one particular party or the other? And if you do, how do you reach kind of everybody?

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah. Thankfully it's a nonpartisan race, but if there was a letter next to my name, it would be an R, but that R would stand for results. I'm coming in here with no tribal politics. I'm coming here to represent all Angelenos.

[Jack Armstrong]

Who that at Spencer Pratt, reality star and fed up Angelino running for the mayor of the great city of Los Angeles and getting a hell of a lot of attention for several different reasons.

[Joe Getty]

Mark Halpern predicts he's going to be the Pratt will be the next mayor of la.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, is that right? Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Getty]

His house burnt down, Mr. Pratt. That's part of his appeal. Look, my house burnt down and they ain't doing nothing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. It's impossible to rebuild in spite of Gavin Newsom and Karen Bass's all utterly, horrifically dishonest and unfulfilled promises. Yeah. And, you know, I don't want to

[Joe Getty]

get sidetracked, but do you know why did they cancel the debate tomorrow night?

[Jack Armstrong]

No idea.

[Joe Getty]

Some. Some weirdness. I'll have to look into that.

[Jack Armstrong]

No idea. So, yeah, he has been doing great in the debates. He's a colorful character. His manner of speaking is entertaining,

[Joe Getty]

but an entertaining reality star. You say in politics, you say, but

[Jack Armstrong]

his Sinceri is nobody. Nobody can doubt it. I don't think about concern for his city. And coming up, perhaps the boomerangiest backlashiest ad in the history of politics run against him. But we'll just start with 80 Michael. Here he is doing podcast, talking about, you know, problems he wants to fix.

[Spencer Pratt]

So when I'm mayor, my plan is first three weeks, signs up across the city. No more nakedness, no more drug use, no more robbing, no worse, no more burning dogs in the street, no more dog abuse.

[Jack Armstrong]

Very.

[Spencer Pratt]

On every sign, on everybody. So that. And we're going to go around, we're going to warn everybody, hey, got three more weeks of this. Like, clock's ticking. Just keep telling everyone. Just so the people that are aware, they're like, oh, wow, there's A new mayor in town, they may start leaving and. And then when the three weeks, or maybe we'll even do two weeks. Maybe people will want it faster. And then once we start enforcing the laws, boom, Streets will be back.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's the flip side of the clip we played for you last week of a drug addict in Seattle. He was testifying in front of, I think it was the city council, but he was saying the reason there are so many drug addicts here, and I was one for years, is because you make it so easy and comfortable to be a drug addict. And nobody gets arrested for breaking the law. If you're a drug addict, you can just laugh at the law. Stop doing that, Seattle. That's what Spencer Pratt is saying about Los Angeles.

[Joe Getty]

I wish we could get Spencer Pratt and Armstrong and Yeti T shirt that says enforce the law since that's what he's running on, Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And it works. You know, la's. I was going to make a joke about San Francisco. Hillier, cousin to the north San Francisco, elected Mayor Lurie.

[Joe Getty]

And I assume all they did to make, you know, you go to Union Square and walk around now, you don't see a homeless person. They just enforced the law. They said, you can't be here.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Where am I supposed to go? Somewhere else. Which is what I've been advocating for years.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. The Tenderloin, which is its own problem, but I think it is absolutely defensible that a city prioritize, you know, its sections as kind of a.

[Joe Getty]

Hell, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

A midway measure. You got to start somewhere.

[Joe Getty]

Absolutely.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Spencer Pratt]

All right, Next clip people forget is they can't lower the cost of goods. The only thing you can do to make things more affordable as mayor, which I will be able to do, is put more money in people's pockets when you put more revenue in the city. We're over here. They're always asking me, how are you going to balance this budget, Spencer? There's going to be no money to do us. We should be the number one city in the world. We should have money shooting out of ATMs. We're Los Angeles. There will be plenty of money when we let the systems work, when we let business work. How can you let business work if you have drug addicts going number two and number one in front of every cafe. We lost over 100 restaurants in LA. Not because they weren't good food, because you have drug addicts scaring people to go out.

[Jack Armstrong]

He's running against Karen Bass, utterly cynical political hack, slave of the unions, you know, Etcetera And a Democratic socialist by the name of Nithya Raman.

[Joe Getty]

So there were. There was supposed to be yet another mayoral debate tomorrow night, and I just kept reading how it collapsed because everybody was unavailable, but that seems to be the case. I don't know how you're not available like you schedule something else the night of a debate. But current Mayor Bass is not available, including Pratt, who said he's got a scheduling conflict, so they just canceled the debate. I thought when I originally heard it that. Well, of course Mayor Bass doesn't want a debate to happen because Pratt's doing really well all the time, and it just lets people, hey, that guy wants to enforce the law and get the

[Jack Armstrong]

drug addicts off the street, and she

[Joe Getty]

doesn't want anybody hearing that. But anyway, the debate fell apart.

[Jack Armstrong]

Let's skip to 84. Michael.

[Spencer Pratt]

My first 100 days is gonna be enforcing the law and making moms feel safe with their kids at parks in front of their schools. You cannot give zombies. Yes, they were human beings, but once you go on fentanyl or super meth, you're no longer a human being. It's not about, we need more beds. Not inside safe, not more affordable housing. No, we need medical mandatory treatment.

[Joe Getty]

That is so clearly true. We've been saying this, by the way, for many, many years. But I don't know what the answer is for somebody whose brain is fried and they're standing on the corner stealing from you and threatening you. I don't know what the answer is, but letting them hang out there is not the answer.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. Right. Enforce the law. Yeah, yeah. Unless you're part of the cult of suicidal empathy, all these things are utterly clear to you. And it's suicidal empathy, partly because it gets you hurt and killed and deteriorates your city, but it's also homicidal empathy. And a number of folks on the center left have woken up to this and are speaking out about it. Easing a young person into death on the pavement is not compassion. Making it easy to be drug addict until finally they overdose on fentanyl and nobody's around with the Narcan. Or if you overdose on other stuff, Narcan can't bring you around. That's not compassion. And what twisted sick conscience is that seen as compassion? Then? I promised you the Boomerangi anti ad. This is just part of it. It's entirely financed by the public employee unions who own the city of Los Angeles government, along with a couple of progressive organizations that get paid by them and the state government of California Republican Spencer Pratt is the last thing Los Angeles needs for mayor. Pratt opposes using taxpayer money to build brand new houses for our unhoused neighbors. Pratt thinks LA needs thousands more police officers rather than more social workers. And Republican Spencer Pratt thinks public employee unions should have less power. He does. Well, when's voting day? How soon can I. Can I vote early? Can I vote twice? Probably.

[Joe Getty]

That's supposed to be a knock.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's an attack ad.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Had the scary music. That's how you can tell.

[Spencer Pratt]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

And the scary violins. The violins of nastiness. Wow. I'm heartened to hear Halpern say he's got a real shot because I'd heard that in the polls it wasn't nearly as impressive as the buzz, but local polling is notoriously unreliable.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, because we all know how awful lot of national polls have been in the sample size and the methodology and the money spent to try to come up with good numbers. We way beyond anything you get in one city.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right? Right. It'll be interesting to see what sort of skullduggery takes place electorally. Vote harvesting. Harvesting stories and papering apartment complexes with ballots and then not really checking signatures, that sort of thing. Well, enforce the law.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I was going to talk about that more, but I don't want to talk about it anymore.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right.

[Joe Getty]

There'll be more times to talk about that in the future.

[Jack Armstrong]

Talking a little bit earlier how driving the most, you know, environmentally safe car available in America. Really the Tesla now codes conservative. Right. Because of Elon.

[Joe Getty]

I know that because I get flipped off on a daily basis practically driving my cybertruck around. I didn't know the thing you said, though, that cheating in school with AI is trying to crack down by then is considered right wing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. Reading something Nellie Bowles wrote about. With the arrival of chatbots, they're having to confront what the heck college is and what it's good for because everybody's cheating their way through. There was an article in the New Yorker on Will AI make college obsolete? And in New York Magazine one called Everyone is Cheating Their way Through College. So anyway, she writes, there's no. There's an easy solution. All the CHAT GPT or CHAT GP cheating. That's kind of clever. Which is to make kids take tests in person, pen to paper, ass in seat. But colleges are now run by people who think that's crazy, unfair and wrong. What about the kids with no hands? And every student has a letter from a doctor saying they have a condition that bars them from timed exams.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And it's amazing. Amazing. The more elite, quote unquote, the university, the more the kids get exemptions from taking exams in. In time.

[Joe Getty]

And you see, you're going to go out and get a job where they're going to say, I need this report by Friday to make a sales presentation. And you can't say, yeah, I can't do timed things like this because of my anxiety.

[Jack Armstrong]

A young law student who I'm well acquainted with was talking about how some of the people who are whooping arse in the class rankings get lots of extra time. Wow. And my. My friend who is in law school is a very compassionate person. But when I said, you know, when the client says, I need this by this afternoon, there's no such thing as I'm going to need extra time. I have a note for my doctor. Oh my God, we are so served. We're serving our children so badly by coddling like this. Anyway, let's see. Reading on. Anyway, two great essays this week which I mentioned here' Crazy part. The one the New Yorker Will AI make College Obsolete? For the crime of writing that New Yorker piece, J. Kang has been the villain of Blue sky all week, the notorious lefty social media site. He wrote this very funny take on X. Blue sky really is the weirdest social media site ever created. It's like the most toxic. Liberals built themselves a prison, then locked themselves up in it and now have 10 riots a day. Why would you do that? LOL and then she writes. Fascinating how the next tech wave is shaking out politically electric self driving cars that will make less air pollution and are safer are being coded as right wing and using artificial intelligence in school which undermines the entire existing knowledge economy and might turn our brains into banana puree is being coded as left wing. Very curious outcome. The anti knowledge, anti testing movement has gone so far that it is now comfortable letting kids just not think at all. Full brain death is the most equitable result. Blah blah blah it blah blah blah. Education solved. Playing field leveled. Moving on.

[Joe Getty]

That'll be an interesting one to follow. I didn't realize that was going that direction. Yeah, there's some pushback happening in the legal world around that Michael Jackson movie that my son liked so much. Among other things we'll talk about coming up. Stay here. Armstrong and Gettysburg Earn your applied Bachelor's degree in as little as three years,

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[Spencer Pratt]

So on Friday, after three days of

[Jack Armstrong]

reinsurance, I give you Nightline. A dream vacation turning into a floating nightmare. Authorities now working to stop the spread and track down passengers who've already left the ship, including to the U.S. the looming question could this become the next pandemic?

[Joe Getty]

They got me again.

[Spencer Pratt]

And by the way, did you check out the percussion on that? Could this be the next pandemic? The question of whether it was going to be the next pandemic had been

[Jack Armstrong]

asked and answered for three days.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, and that's a week ago. And they continue to do it. Last night I saw it on the news, they is this the next pandemic again? And then they go to an expert says not even close. Not a chance. All the experts say exactly the same thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

So what are we doing here? What are they responding to?

[Joe Getty]

I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

What's motivating that?

[Joe Getty]

I do not know.

[Jack Armstrong]

I mean, because viewership of one evening news or the other is fairly loyal. So aren't there listener their viewers saying y' all told us this last night and the night before last week. Right.

[Joe Getty]

Anywho, I'm glad Jon Stewart picked up on that. Coming up What's a Booty Rumble? A booty rumble is something Michael Jackson would do with little boys.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, what now?

[Joe Getty]

According to 60 Minutes Australia, in a new piece that they've got out, I have a feeling this is kind of pushback against that movie that left out all the child sex stuff. Yeah, let's not forget who he is. Okay. There's some details here I've never heard before.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh boy.

[Joe Getty]

Coming up.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh boy. Getting back to the question of elections and ballot harvesting and blanketing apartment complexes with ballots, which is the practice in Cal Unicornia, among other places. Got this great note from JT on, on Monday. You guys mentioned you need to show an ID in order to get. Oh, a listener, male, emailed in that they have to show ID in order to get their post op medications at a pharmacy where people are abusing like deadly drugs right outside. And so why is he got to jump through the hoops Story went in a different direction. But it got me thinking about the whole fake accusations about voter ID, I.e. claims by Dems that voter ID is racist and will disenfranchise millions of Americans. Isn't it a thousand times worse to be denying people their prescription medication for the lack of an id, which everybody seems to be able to come up with, yet there's no great progressive outcry based on the idea that people don't get their medications for lack of an id? Doesn't that tell you everything you need to know about people opposing voter id?

[Joe Getty]

Well, it's just politicians. They don't even represent their party because 70% of Democrats and black Democrats and everybody is in favor of voter id. It's just people in control of the party that fight it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Do you think it's to make voter fraud easier or because they know the very small number of voters who can't come up with an ID are virtually all Democrats?

[Joe Getty]

I think it's that one. Yeah, I think it's that one.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Maybe two thirds. A third backwards. A third. Two thirds. I don't know with authority, but there has to be an explanation for why you oppose something that's overwhelmingly popular.

[Joe Getty]

It's all a booty rumble as far as I can tell.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh boy. Stop saying that.

[Joe Getty]

Just teasing ahead to the Michael Jackson story again.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I just saw Zoran Mamdani brushed aside a question of whether his virulent anti Israel rhetoric is contributing to all the attacks on Jewish people in New York. He brushed it off. Brings up London. A couple of Jewish guys got stabbed and they asked a prominent Muslim media guy about It. And he said, yeah, well, it becomes more complicated because of course, many people in the Jewish community do support Israel and that becomes a problem. I think we need to be able to have these conversations, but at the same time all agreeing that violence is never the solution.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Not forgetting who Michael Jackson was.

[Jack Armstrong]

Coming up, Armstrong and Getty, they don't want to give me credit for anything. It's bs. They made it up. Ignorant fool. He is a mean. He's a racist and he's very, very, very devilish, man.

[Joe Getty]

We used to play those clips a lot. We, we've done. God, how many hours of radio have we probably done in 30 years on Michael Jackson from back in the day in his various court cases and the documentaries and all that sort of stuff?

[Jack Armstrong]

Quite a few.

[Joe Getty]

And I still, I don't know where you are on it, but I still don't really know what I think Michael Jackson was or wasn't.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, Right. Yeah. You left out his racial transition, by the way.

[Joe Getty]

That was the funny thing. So on snl, they're. They're fake. Tucker Carlson, who's really, really good, that's one of the things he was reviewing the Michael Jackson movie and when did it end? Before he became a white man. What are we doing,

[Jack Armstrong]

you know, to your question of what you really think about the charges and everything? I'm in the same spot. And if you're part of it is if you're a guy like Jacko and word gets around that you are guilty of, say, you know, child molestation and I'm a greedy, soulless show business parent whose kid interacted with Jacko. I'm piling on. I'm piling on. If there's a legit charger too, I'm thinking, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's money to be had here. So are one of the allegations true or half of them or two thirds of them or. I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

It's funny, I told my kids just the other day we were talking about this because my youngest saw the new Michael Jackson movie and really liked it. He went with his friends and they really liked it. And if you don't anything about the biopic, which features his nephew playing him and that's right. Supposed to be really good.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway, it's Jackson's whole career up until like, basically when his first solo album, off the Wall, came out, I think, or right after Thriller. Anywho, it's before all the child molestation stuff exploded. And some people thought that that was a really uncool cover up. Of his life story. Other people looked at it as a. Well, this is just a movie about his being one of the biggest music things that's ever happened in the history of the world.

[Jack Armstrong]

And as I mentioned the other day, it's actually interesting because they realized in shooting that legally they couldn't comment on. They couldn't profit from any of that. The Jackson family, the estate. And so they went to the filmmaker and said, we can't have any of this in there. And as we discussed, it's a happy accident because that would change the movie so much. Right. If you. Because, look, I don't know what the guy's guilty of or not. Brilliant songwriter, unbelievable performer, singer, the rest of it, all this stuff up into

[Joe Getty]

the movie where the movie ends, happened the way it happened to there. And the world was looking at him the way we looked at him there. So I don't know what to do with this story. And I actually told my kids, I said, I don't know that I think he's a child molester. I think he is a. All kinds of messed up because he's a child star and he. And. And all that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Child abuse victim.

[Joe Getty]

Child abuse victim. And maybe he just liked hanging out with little boys. Well, now we got this story today. The pushback on this story that you're about to hear is the sort of thing Joe just said, the family saying these families come out of the woodworks. You know, Michael befriended these families and these kids. And then the people see a money grab and, you know, you probably do get paid a couple of million dollars to go away, whether it's true or not. So this is from 60 Minutes Australia from Sunday night. I just did a little research because this is like the third week in a row that 60 Minutes Australia's had a story that makes news in the United States. Yeah, 60 Minutes Australia has nothing to do with 60 Minutes in the United States. It has none of the credibility built up over many, many decades. It's. It's a format that you can buy because it has the same clock and the tick, tick, tick. But there's no. There's no, like 60 Minutes United States. Barry Weiss has nothing to do with it or any of the people that want to hold on to journalistic credibility.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

It's more tabloid.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Doesn't mean this isn't true, though. But it's more likely. If it were 60 Minutes United States, it would be a lot more solid story. I'm just saying that, I guess, anyway, four siblings who were part of Michael Jackson's secret family revealed in an interview Sunday the vile ways that the late pop star allegedly groomed and sexually abused them as children. Uh, the Caskio family describe how Jackson did all this over many, many years. Lavish gifts, fame. You've heard this story many, many times. The four siblings filed a lawsuit in February alleging Jackson was a serial killer, child sex predator who abused them at the homes of Elizabeth Taylor and Elton John, among other. Many other places. Interesting to throw in that tad bit tidbit. Does that make your abuse better or worse if it's at Elton John's house? I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'd rather not be victimized at Elizabeth Taylor's pad, but.

[Joe Getty]

Or any other.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

He's a monster. He's evil. What he did was evil. He tricked the whole world into thinking he's innocent, a perfect human being. And he's not, said Dominic Cascio. I'm not sure that he tricked the world into thinking he's innocent and perfect. I don't know many people who think Michael Jackson's perfect for a while.

[Jack Armstrong]

Maybe he did.

[Joe Getty]

He carved up his face and turned into a different color, for one thing. I mean, even without the sex and

[Jack Armstrong]

we know he had the vitiligo. Don't write your emails.

[Joe Getty]

That makes him a little odd. Yeah, right there.

[Jack Armstrong]

So.

[Joe Getty]

The father of these kids met Jackson in the 80s while working at the Helmsley Palace Hotel in New York. He quickly became part of the singer's inner circle, and his family would often spend holidays at Neverland Ranch and travel the world with the King of Pop dude and his wife and his four kids were traveling the world with Michael Jackson. Yeah, that'd be pretty intoxicating.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my gosh.

[Joe Getty]

When you're just a regular working stiff.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. I remember hearing about this family. Are they aware? It's I. I'm channeling the. The beloved listener right now. Are they aware it's 2026. Where you been?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, this movie's out. That's gotta play a role. It's got to play a role.

[Jack Armstrong]

The fact and they got pissed off enough and offended enough that they thought he ought to be brought to heel for abusing us sexually for years.

[Joe Getty]

Or they thought now. Or they thought it would make get. Have a bigger splash because part of the make getting money to make it go away is how much attention it gets. Gets more attention with that movie out.

[Jack Armstrong]

Not a crazy argument.

[Joe Getty]

One of the siblings, Eddie, 43, now recalled the on the broadcast that he met the Thriller singer when he was only 2. When Jackson began visiting the family's New York home on late nights unannounced. So, Michael J. Huh? Why is my phone ringing?

[Jack Armstrong]

It's Michael.

[Joe Getty]

Can I come over?

[Jack Armstrong]

You ignorant fool.

[Joe Getty]

Says you. He'd visit the home unannounced. Just show up late at night. Knock, knock.

[Jack Armstrong]

Knock, knock.

[Joe Getty]

It's me.

[Jack Armstrong]

Cool.

[Joe Getty]

Can I come in?

[Jack Armstrong]

The biggest star on the planet says, I was just passing by. Can I come by? Can I come in? I guess you say yes.

[Joe Getty]

Let me text my son here real quick.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is stand by, everybody. Stand by. Important family business. Oh, wait a minute. We haven't. Okay, still standing by, waiting for word of Katie having a baby. If you weren't listening earlier, Katie called in from the delivery room to give us an update. If you missed it, it was heartwarming. Grab it via podcast. Armstrong and Getty on demand. You should subscribe downloads automatically.

[Joe Getty]

So back to Michael Jackson. Yes. So he'd show up at night home videos show the outlet captured Jackson's chimpanzee Bubbles, charming the children during one visit.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, before it ripped their arms off. I was thinking about it, you know, I. I'm not a big pop music

[Joe Getty]

fan, but I like Michael Jackson's music now more than I did in the 80s. For some reason, Thriller never grabbed me, really. But my kids are kind of into it and I've listened to it more in my amazing stereo in my car. And it is. It's pretty. It's pretty catchy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, it's pretty good. Quincy Jones.

[Joe Getty]

Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

But I was going to say, you know, if my dad had befriended Mick Jagger or something, right? And make it swing by. I'm not going to attempt to do my Mick. It's not good. And it's like. Yeah, it's passing by.

[Joe Getty]

What's going on?

[Jack Armstrong]

You guys still up? Come on in, Mick.

[Joe Getty]

We're going on a world tour. You want to go with us?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes.

[Joe Getty]

On your dad? We got to go. We have school.

[Jack Armstrong]

Who cares? Goal.

[Joe Getty]

Shut up. We're going to travel around. Yeah, exactly. That's a good way to put it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

The star wooed the children, all four of them. Eddie, Aldo, Dominic and. And another one that I can't pronounce. By taking them on lavish trips on his private jet on tour with him. And to meet world diplomat, here's the king of Zimbabwe.

[Jack Armstrong]

Welcome, children. I assume he sounds like James Earl Jones, the king of Zimbabwe.

[Joe Getty]

The superstars luxury gifts, however, were merely a facade for the decades of alleged grooming and sexual abuse that followed. My parents were young. For them to have such a big celebrity want to be friends with them. They definitely felt special, and so did we. He made us feel like we're his family, his kids, everything. The Casio siblings claimed the campaign of abuse occurred over 25 years, including at Jackson's Neverland Ranch and during the world tours. When you have the biggest superstar in the world in the 80s wants to be your friend, you're very vulnerable. Eddie claimed that Jackson. Here's where we start the year. This is not for your kids to hear. Okay? This starts to get pretty. I've never heard this stuff before. And we've done a lot of Jackson's segments in the years. Eddie claimed that Jackson started molesting him when he was 11 during the 93 dangerous tour, abusing him every night while the two shared a bed and well into his adulthood. That's when my world started to change. We were on tour, and that's what Michael started to get closer. Started rubbing me on my legs. I was sitting on his lap. And that's when the first kiss happened, where he kissed me on the lips. Several. Several of the siblings said Jackson had them participate in a disturbing game called the Booty Rumble.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, boy.

[Joe Getty]

We're gonna play Booty Rumble now.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh. What are the rules of Booty Rumble?

[Joe Getty]

Well.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, boy.

[Joe Getty]

He would lay on top of me with my genitals up against his while he would shake and he would kind of push up against me.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, boy.

[Joe Getty]

This is called the Booty Rumble. Okay, now prepare yourself for this.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my. There's more.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, this is.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Way, way past the Booty Rumble. He would also drink my urine. Well, and tell me. This is. This is how much I love you. I may be 12 years old at this time. Like I'm a child who's seeing a grown man do this. Dominic said. Aldo, the youngest of the siblings, came. Jack said Jackson began molesting him while the two lay in bed together and played video games. He just pulled down my shorts and started giving me oral sex. And he'd say right away, doesn't this feel good? See, I love you. I love you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

And one of them said the fact that he was willing to drink my urine made me think he must really love me. I don't know if that's why I'd react as a 10 year old.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I don't know because it didn't happen. You got a trusted friend explaining it to you and you think, I have no experience of this in the world. You have no idea how you'd react.

[Joe Getty]

He had never heard this one before. The siblings added that Jackson supplied them with prescription drugs and alcohol at a young age, including Jesus juice, which we've heard about before in documentaries and that sort of stuff, which was actually wine and Disney juice, which was hard liquor. What are you in the mood for a little Jesus juice or Disney juice? Been a long day.

[Jack Armstrong]

What? What? Jesus juice pairs well with this? Rib. Ribeye. You know what?

[Joe Getty]

It's been a long week. At a math test. Hit me with the Disney juice. He gave me Xanax and Vicodin at 11 years old and told me I'd be floating. I would love it. The casket siblings also alleged that the megastar instilled fear in them by training them for interrogation by their police and parents, causing the kids to be adamant that nothing abnormal was happening to them. While that's an interesting detail.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

He was training them in case anybody came along and asked questions. Okay. The pushback is that the Jackson estate says this is just a money grab by a family that thinks they can get money after this. Notably, these shakedown attempts come more than 15 years after Jackson's death, thus carrying no risk of being sued for defamation. The state said.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Which could be true.

[Jack Armstrong]

Absolutely could be. So, you know, I'm not going to draw a direct line because it would be disturbing, but if you're a parent and you go, I don't mean to the grocery store. I mean, you're gone. Who's going to raise your children? Don't let the state decide that. Don't let the state decide who gets your stuff. It will cause bitter fighting in your family. Unless there's some sort of miracle it take. Probate takes forever. You need to get to know Trust and Will. Trust and Will offers affordable attorney designed estate plans online that you can create in as little as 30 minutes. You know you need to do this. It's easy. Do it.

[Joe Getty]

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[Joe Getty]

Who's thirsty? I've got something for you. Okay. Is this is this Jesus juice. Disney juice or your urine? I'd really like to know which.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, Jesus juice before Disney juice. Just fine. Disney. That's too cumbersome.

[Joe Getty]

Oh my God, let's hope this isn't true. I hope it's a cash grab and none of that happened. God dang it.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's bs. They made it up. If it's a cash grab, that's despicable too, but in a different way.

[Joe Getty]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Cons I get.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. And. And children weren't abused.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, right, right.

[Joe Getty]

Would we, would we not hear until now, all these years later about the urine stuff if it, if that was a thing he did? Surely not, right? No.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hey, Macaulay again, why would you wait this long? Yeah, I mean, they couldn't have been betting on. I'll bet there'll be a movie come out. Right. And it'll end before his accusations and that's when we'll pounce.

[Joe Getty]

No, yeah, yeah, you're right. And when he was in the court in Los Angeles and that was the time to strike. If you had this story right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

This doesn't smell like.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, now, now, now, now. I will be using the term booty rumble with my wife though.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, stay tuned.

[Jack Armstrong]

The ignorant fool. Armstrong and Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Some of you did not like our Michael Jackson segment. We just to report the news. We can't control the news flow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. So on a totally different topic, and I started on this earlier, I wanted to finish it up. Interesting response to the random stabbing of Jews in London after a Somali born British man rampaged through a heavily Jewish London neighborhood, stabbed two Jewish men. There's Mehdi Hassan who runs the very successful Zittio news organization in Britain, arguing that violence is bad, but the real issue is the Jews. Quote, it becomes more complicated because of course many people in the Jewish community do support Israel and that becomes a problem. We need to be able to have these conversations but at the same time all agreeing that violence is never a solution. And as the Free Press writes, a guy stabs Jews on the street and this is the response. It becomes more complicated because of course many people in the Jewish community do support Israel and that becomes a problem. The Jew stabbing, it's not good. But we should talk more about why we might be Jew stabbing because they have a point. The real problem is not the Jews getting stabbed, but the bad, bad thoughts in the Jews heads and what we're going to do about them. That's so sick. We got this note from first initial N, who says some Very, very nice things about the show. You guys, and a different show that I'm not familiar with are the only ones who've stuck to your guns about antisemitism, despite everyone else choosing a side based on which way the wind blows. I particularly appreciate that you don't feel a need to knee jerk, support or reject everything someone on the right, especially President Trump or the left, does just on the basis of team spirit. If only more voices in the broadcasting podcast world would be so rational. And then they make points about candidates openly running on anti Semitism. Several in Michigan and at least one in Florida.

[Joe Getty]

All Democrats, though.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Mm. Second, they point out it's important to understand that Jews are the canary in the coal mine. When society starts blaming and scapegoating its Jews, the entire society is in danger. This is a historical reality. So this is not so much about Jews being in danger. As Mark Twain noted, the Romans, Greeks, Persians all came and made a loud noise and are gone. And the tiny persecuted Jewish nation survives somehow. It's Western society at stake. I've heard other people. Peggy Noonan's written about how when you see anti Semitism on the rise, that's a symptom of sickness in a society, then for some reason they point out a handful of Jewish people who've done terrible things and that, hey, look, we hate them too. They're. They're pieces of garbage. Um, but, gosh. So please don't judge the entire Jewish people by the actions of a few.

[Joe Getty]

I don't.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't think people do. They look for excuses to hate people they already hate. And then they talk about how it's scary just to go and come and go from synagogues and. And schools and stuff. So the vast, vast majority of Jewish people are proud to fly the flag of our country and are proactively involved in building its economy. We marry young, build famil, we're happy to have jobs and pay taxes. And if we're fortunate enough, we build businesses that employ dozens, hundreds of thousands of employees and pay them fair wages so they can support their families. What the hell is going on? Yeah. And they thank us again. Sure. It's the right thing to do. My God, I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

I didn't put any thought into it. It's just.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Try not to align with evil is a good policy.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. I don't know how you do what Tucker and now Megyn Kelly do. I. I really don't know how you do that. If you missed a segment, get our podcast, Armstrong, and getty on demand.

[Jack Armstrong]

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