The Cataclysmic fight

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand – "The Cataclysmic Fight"

Date: May 8, 2026
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Producer: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode is dominated by discussion of a major, hours-long naval confrontation between U.S. and Iranian forces in the Strait of Hormuz, the wider implications for Middle East stability, and the unpredictability of escalating conflict. The hosts also explore the economics and cultural shifts in American bowling alleys, critique anti-billionaire rhetoric (with a focus on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez), and discuss the psychology and history of revolutionary violence and terrorism, making connections to current global events. Several lighter moments and notable quotes provide both depth and levity to the episode.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. U.S.-Iran Naval Battle: Context, Escalation, and Dangers

[03:14–10:25]

• Incident Recap:
  The Pentagon reported that Iran fired missiles at U.S. Navy destroyers in the Strait of Hormuz; the U.S. retaliated with major strikes on Iranian military assets, including targets in Tehran.

  • Trump reportedly described the U.S. response as a "love tap," but the hosts emphasize its seriousness.
  • The skirmish lasted "four hours" ([04:18]) and involved significant damage.

• Scale and Consequences:

  • More than 70 oil tankers are blockaded by the U.S.; three Iranian tankers slipped out through Pakistani waters; the U.S. attacked tankers attempting to re-enter Iranian ports ([05:00–06:03]).
  • The possibilities for escalation are real and concerning:
    "This could explode into the biggest war in Middle Eastern history in an instant." — Jack ([06:32])

• Media Perception vs. Reality:

  • Joe revises his earlier judgments, noting that initial media reports minimized the scale of the U.S. response ([04:36–05:00]).
  • The hosts remark on both the secrecy and confusion surrounding "progress" in the region, highlighting the lack of clear end-game or public information ([07:38–08:47]).

• Human Cost:

  • The sea battle resulted in "ten sailors wounded, five missing" ([09:19]).

• Potential for Broader War:

  • The interplay of U.S., Iran, Israel, UAE, and possibly Saudi Arabia could "go nutty so fast" and drag in new parties, including if Iranian attacks threaten Chinese interests ([06:03, 08:05, 08:50]).
  • The hosts speculate whether Iran is intentionally provoking a "cataclysmic fight" as foretold in some interpretations of the Quran ([08:19–08:33]).

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2. Information Opacity and Frustration

[07:38–10:25]

• Lack of Transparent Reporting:
  • Joe expresses disillusionment with following the story due to a lack of visible progress or public details:
    "There doesn't feel like there's any progress toward a conclusion...all cloaked in a lot of secrecy." ([07:38])
  • Jack concurs, suggesting that the tit-for-tat attacks are ultimately "meaningless" unless countries move toward open confrontation or negotiation ([08:05]).

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3. Disease Outbreak on Ship – Media Coverage and Reality

[11:17–13:13]

• Contagious Illness Report:
  • A cruise ship outbreak of a deadly, not highly contagious disease (dubbed "kaka virus" by the hosts) preoccupies the media.
  • Jack draws a contrast with COVID: deadly but hard to catch ([11:18–11:59]).
• Contact Tracing Discussion:
  • Discussion of the process and the difference in risk ([12:31–12:52]).
• Comic Relief:
  • Babylon Bee's headline: "Dr. Fauci reports amazing results in gain-of-function research at his new cruise ship laboratory." ([13:02])

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4. The Changing World of Bowling: Capitalism on Trial

[13:14–22:10]

• Bowling Alleys Lawsuit:

  • A cluster of smaller bowling alleys (and leagues) are suing Lucky Strike, which operates over 350 centers, alleging monopoly behavior and cultural loss.

• Evolution of the Experience:

  • Newer bowling venues emphasize loud music, upscale bars, and corporate events versus traditional league play ([17:13–21:09]).
  • This shift is framed as a classic case of capitalism at work: the most profitable (not necessarily traditional) approach wins.
  • Jack: "By definition, if they can make it, make more profit, more people like it. It might not be the same people, which is what you're hating on." ([21:09])

• Personal Reflections:

  • Joe shares a memorable bowling night where his scores fluctuated wildly ([22:10]).

• Iconic Bowling Clip:

  • The hosts play a famous bowling sports outburst:
    "Who do you think you are? I am!" — Pro bowler Pete Weber ([22:55])

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5. Debating Billionaires: AOC, Capitalism, and Envy Politics

[25:43–30:54]

• AOC's View on Billionaires:
  • Clip played of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez stating: "You can't earn a billion dollars...so you have to create a myth of earning it." ([25:51–26:26])
  • Jack and Joe heavily criticize this as "idiotic" and "ignorant" ([26:29–27:04]).
• Power of Envy:
  • Joe: "The left has really learned to harness envy...very hard to get people to give up envy or self pity." ([27:23])
• Capitalist Counterpoints:
  • Jack: "If Elon Musk invents...electric car...how is he not supposed to end up a billionaire?" ([29:53])
  • Joe: "Their point of view...is that the person with the idea, who puts up all the money, when that pays off, should spread out all the money so they don’t get more than anybody else." ([30:32])

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6. The ‘Terrorist Mind’: History, Psychology, and Modern Parallels

[31:21–37:59]

• DC in Tennessee's Question:
  Listener email asks why Marxist ideologues pursue their goals—power, control, ideology, or something else? ([27:23–29:47])

  • Joe: "All of the above. Power and control...Marxism...is the grift you can't kill." ([29:09])

• White House Counterterrorism Strategy:

  • Noteworthy: New focus on state/threat group collaboration and "Red-Green alliance" (far left and Islamist cooperation) ([29:07–29:47]).

• Historical Precedents:

  • Joe shares Gary Saul Morrison’s analysis of Russian terrorist movements—dominated by educated elites, terrorism as a career, and the normalization of violence ([31:21–36:35]).
  • Parallels to revolutionary periods elsewhere (Cuba's leaders’ privileged backgrounds, Mao’s China) [35:22–36:35].
  • The hosts cite Dostoevsky (“Demons”) on terrorism, the dangers of radical chic, and the temptation of ideological violence:
    "To be able to destroy with good conscience...is the height of psychological luxury." — Aldous Huxley (quoted at [37:04])

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7. Debt Crisis, Redistricting, and Lighter Moments

[37:59–46:43]

• U.S. Debt Milestone:
  • America hits a new debt milestone outside of pandemic/war, with little public awareness ([39:59–46:29]).
  • "We did cross a line with debt this week where it's never happened like this other than wartime or during the pandemic...it's really the only story that matters. But nobody's talking about it." — Jack ([46:09])
• Redistricting Ruling:
  • Virginia Supreme Court strikes down Democrats’ redrawn House map—a win for Republicans, with Jack advocating for nationwide redistricting rules ([42:57–46:03]).
• Banter and Humor:
  • Jokes about cybertrucks scaring away dates ([43:32]);
  • Medical oddity: esophagus stretching ([44:14]);
  • Daiquiri machine flavors and low-carb diets ([38:03–39:24]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the U.S.-Iran Battle:

  • “If there's no ceasefire, you're not going to have to know. You just going to have to look at one big glow coming out of Iran and they better sign their agreement fast.” — Jack ([03:41])
  • “This could explode into the biggest war in Middle Eastern history in an instant.” — Jack ([06:32])

• On Media Reporting:

  • “What I said last hour, I'd like to revise...the shots back at them were much more significant than I was led to believe by the accounts I saw and read.” — Joe ([04:36])

• On the Opacity of War:

  • “There doesn't feel like there's any progress toward a conclusion...all cloaked in a lot of secrecy.” — Joe ([07:38])

• Satirical Take on Disease Outbreak:
  "Dr. Fauci reports amazing results in gain of function research at his new cruise ship laboratory." — Babylon Bee ([13:02])

• On Capitalism and Bowling Alleys:
  "By definition, if they can make it, make more profit, more people like it. It might not be the same people, which is what you're hating on." — Jack ([21:09])

• On Anti-Billionaire Rhetoric:
  “You can't earn a billion dollars. That's right. You just can't earn that.” — AOC, quoted ([25:51])
  “That is unspeakably idiotic and ignorant.” — Joe ([26:26])

• On the Allure of Revolutionary Violence:
  “The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people that they will have a chance of maltreating someone.” — Aldous Huxley, quoted by Joe ([37:04])

• Iconic Bowling Clip:
  “Who do you think you are? I am.” ([22:55])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [03:14–10:25]: U.S.-Iran naval battle and regional escalation
• [11:17–13:13]: Cruise ship disease (deadly but hard to catch); Babylon Bee joke
• [13:14–22:10]: Bowling alley lawsuit and capitalism
• [22:10–22:58]: Iconic bowling moment: “Who do you think you are? I am!”
• [25:43–30:54]: AOC on billionaires and the hosts’ response
• [31:21–37:59]: The "terrorist mind," history of revolutionary violence, elite radicalism
• [39:59–46:29]: National debt milestone and redistricting
• [43:32–45:10]: Cybertrucks and esophagus stretching banter

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Tone and Style

Throughout, the hosts maintain a signature blend of serious analysis, quick-witted banter, and occasional satire. They move deftly between sobering geopolitical realities, skeptical takes on media narratives, and everyday, often comical, cultural observations.

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For listeners seeking a comprehensive, insightful, and occasionally irreverent take on breaking world events, American society, and political debates, this episode of Armstrong & Getty delivers depth, humor, and perspective.

Transcript

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[Jack Armstrong]

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The Pentagon says Iran fired missiles at American Navy destroyers trying to cross the Strait of Hormuz and that the US Fired back, striking Iranian military facilities and command locations. Central Command describes the American strikes as self defense.

[Joe Getty]

In an interview with me tonight, President

[Jack Armstrong]

Trump called them something else, a love tap.

[Joe Getty]

Is the ceasefire with Iran still on?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it is. They trifled with us today.

[Joe Getty]

We blew them away.

[Jack Armstrong]

If there's no ceasefire, you're not going to have to know. You just going to have to look

[Joe Getty]

at one big glow coming out of

[Jack Armstrong]

Iran and they better sign their agreement fast. So they fired on our ships yesterday. We blasted the crap out of them, including hitting a bunch of targets in Iran, including in Tehran, the capital. And Trump said it was a love tap and the ceasefire is still on for whatever reason. Maybe it's just my own brain, maybe you don't do this, but whenever the news report sees Iran fired on US ships, the United States fired back, you know, destroying the small boats or something like that, I pictured being a very short little exchange. But for instance, the one that happened yesterday was four hours long or something like that.

[Joe Getty]

Was that right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. They never, they never let you know what a serious. That's a pretty serious battle, it seems like to me. Right.

[Joe Getty]

Just for the record, having heard that clip, what I said last hour, I'd like to revise because the, the shots back at them were much more significant than I was led to believe by the accounts I saw and read because I accused the President of not escalating properly to discourage that sort of activity. But it sounds like, yeah, just it was getting bad information.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, we had a bunch of targets within all of Iran in addition to blasting the crap out of the boats and rocket launchers that fired at our ships in the first place. So a couple of things that I didn't know. There are currently more than 70 tankers that the US forces are preventing from entering or leaving Iranian ports. 70 tankers that want to go through either for various countries or Iran's help. But according to this report, Iran had two big tankers that got out through some little portion that's actually Pakistani waters that we don't have the right to control. And the tankers got out with 5 million barrels of oil each. They got out and they delivered the oil which probably made Iran money, but we didn't allow to come back in. So we are firing on those tankers that are trying to get back in and as Joe said, they're not going to get their deposit back gangage deposit back on your tanker because we got

[Joe Getty]

to rinse out your tanker before you return it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm sorry. It was three, three over two days in the, over the past two days, three cargo empty national Iranian tanker tankers got out the US Navy blockade through some economic zone that we don't have the right to blockade. And then two of the three tankers were sighted on satellite trying to return and were blasting them. So yeah, where this is going. I was listening to an analyst on one of the cable news channels and every analyst has a completely different story. And I don't know if they're driven by their politics or their own just assessment of things or whatever, but it ranges from we're completely being embarrassed and pantsed on the world stage. Iran is about to collapse and this is the exact right thing to do and only Donald Trump could do it and you know, and everything in between. But one analyst who didn't seem to have an ax to grind said this could very easily, especially with the UAE being hit in the last couple of hours. This could explode into the biggest war in Middle Eastern history in an instant. If the United States gets engaged again and Israel says, well, if everybody's bombing, we're going to go back to taking out the enemies we've been wanting to take out forever. The UAE starts flying planes and bombing Iran because they said that's enough. Saudi Arabia decides they need to do something. It could, it could go nutty so fast. That's always been true in the Middle east, but extra true now.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, it finally dawned on me why I'm losing enthusiasm for following this day to day and even trying to understand what's going on. And it's that there doesn't feel like there's any progress toward a conclusion that because anything that is progress toward a conclusion seems to be cloaked in a lot of secrecy. These mysterious negotiations that are going on. And so the tit for tat attacks don't ultimately mean anything, I don't think.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, I Don't. I don't think the tit for tat things mean much either. But I do think Iran continuing to fire on the uae. I gotta believe at some point they're gonna say, that's enough, we've gotta defend ourselves.

[Joe Getty]

Here's the question that I don't expect you to answer. Are they egging their neighbors in the US on for the cataclysmic fight as foretold in their interpretation of the Quran?

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, why else? Well, because you're trying to raise the economic pain level of the world in general. So they call on the US to stop. But the way they're beating the hell out of the UAE is just,

[Jack Armstrong]

well,

[Joe Getty]

it seems to me a bad idea. Obviously they disagree.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, and if the reports are true that they fired on a Chinese ship, what the hell? What do you think? A clearly flagged Chinese ship. If Iran fired on that, what the hell they thought they were accomplishing? I can't even imagine. But a little more about the battle coming out yesterday, the sea battle that we were in, that wasn't just a tit for tat exchange for fire. I suppose in the overall scheme of things it was, but it lasted many hours. Ten sailors have been, were wounded. Five are missing after the engagement. U.S. soldiers, sailors. Oh, really? Yeah, that's what the current report is.

[Joe Getty]

Holy.

[Jack Armstrong]

So it's a full on battle.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Where this goes, right? I have no idea. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And that's against the vastly reduced Iranian Navy too. Reminds me how dangerous war is in particular naval battles.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, and how reduced their navy is or their stockpile of rockets or the nuclear program. Getting to your point of what? What do we know and what do we not know? No idea. The Washington Post with that story this week about all of the American stuff that got hit. Bases and rocket launchers of ours and all that, just different sort of stuff that hadn't been reported before. Iran did a better job of fighting back than we had ever heard. I have no problem with keeping that a secret in the, in the midst of a war. But yeah, there's. There's so much we don't know and we're not going to find out for a long time. I just hope it doesn't go nutty and throw the world economy into a depression and all that. But I guess we all hope that.

[Joe Getty]

I'm looking at the fact that Israel and Hezbollah are going at it hammer and tongs in northern Israel, slash southern Lebanon and I don't know, there's part of me that wonders whether the only Way to end all this stuff is it. Is for it to go big.

[Jack Armstrong]

Could be, actually. That was one analyst argument, but putting off the inevitable. I think that's what MBS was telling Trump on the phone the other day. Yeah, it's got to happen now. Now's the time we take out Iran, that that regime ends. Now is the time. There'll never be a better time to end that entire regime. So let's do it. Which he might be right. The other biggest story of the day that actually got more attention is all the passengers that got off that ship full of kaka virus and it's transmittable

[Joe Getty]

official name, but go on.

[Jack Armstrong]

And so they had got a bunch of them had gotten off the ship over the last two weeks, various ports and some of them have traveled back to the United States with a contagious, very deadly disease. So that was the headline story everywhere. It's not very contagious. It's pretty hard to get. It's very deadly. It's almost the opposite of COVID where if you were in the same giant room as someone with COVID you caught it, but the chance of it killing you is almost zero unless you were very old. This is the opposite. The chance of catching it if you're near someone who has it is very low. But if you get it, chance of.

[Joe Getty]

Get your affairs in order.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Chance of dying is pretty high.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

She's a heck of a thing.

[Joe Getty]

Well, you're not going to get freaking hantavirus. You're just not. You're not. You're not.

[Jack Armstrong]

What do I got to do to catch it? Have sex with them.

[Joe Getty]

Exactly. The rat?

[Jack Armstrong]

No, no, not the rat, the person. Oh,

[Joe Getty]

no. You probably have to just breathe the same air as them for a while. But you're not on the cruise ship. If you're listening on the cruise ship, I apologize. You're not in an enclosed space with either rodent feces or somebody who's full blown infected.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, they're trying to track down all the people that got off the ship, that returned home and everybody they've been in contact with, they're doing that whole contact tracing thing that was big at the very beginning of COVID Right, right.

[Joe Getty]

My understanding is the people who got off the ship got off of it weeks ago though, and I haven't heard of any, you know, explosion of COVID in various provinces of the Earth, so.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that reminds me, the Babylon Bee had a funny headline yesterday. Dr. Fauci reports amazing results in gain of function research at his new cruise ship. Laboratory.

[Joe Getty]

That's good.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that's pretty funny.

[Joe Getty]

That's good.

[Jack Armstrong]

I like that one. The world of bowling is being stood on its head and you think you don't care because you don't bowl much.

[Joe Getty]

Correct.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's a really interesting capitalism story, this lawsuit that's going on against the big bowling companies. And sometimes, sometimes the realities of capitalism are just, you know, they aren't there. They aren't the result you want, but ultimately it's the best system ever. But your old bowling alley that you used to go to in the way you liked, it might be coming to an end if it hasn't already. On the other hand. And I'll get to the story coming up next hour. And it's got to do with capitalism or next segment. How busy is it usually when you go into that bowling alley once every two years and bowl, there's like nobody there.

[Joe Getty]

Our favorite bowling alley was. Was super busy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Was it okay?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think that's an outlier.

[Joe Getty]

At least I think that's an outlier.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway. You left two pins. They're too far apart. You can't pick up that spare.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

We got a lot more on the way.

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

This next one says, mom, I know I can count on you. Open up and says to send me a Facebook video I saw on TikTok three years ago. Ice Bucket Challenge Pretty good Ice bucket. Up next is this one says, mom, I can't thank you enough.

[Joe Getty]

Open up says for letting me stay

[Jack Armstrong]

on your Verizon plan, Even though I'm 47,

[Joe Getty]

Boy.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I'll tell you what we'll do here. If you'll sit through this brief economics lesson that includes bowling, we'll play for you, arguably our favorite bowling clip of all time. We only have one bowling clip that we've ever liked, but it's. It's clearly that, yes, we'll play for that. You know what we're talking about if you ever listen. But. So I thought this was a really interesting story. And it gets to the way capitalism works. And one of the reasons that, you know, capitalism has a, like, it can have a negative feel to it sometimes, even though it's the best system that there is. So there's this lawsuit going on against Lucky Strike, which now operates more than 350 bowling centers across the country. They're being sued as a monopoly by a whole bunch of like little bowling alleys, but lots of bowling leagues and people that just liked bowling alleys the way they used to be. Now, Joe says his local bowling alley was busy, but my experience through my life has been if, if me and my girlfriend and another couple say, hey, let's go bowling, we go to the bowling alley and we always get a lane right now because it ain't that busy ever. And you can go in there and the beer and it's fun and you have a really good time. Be it to bowl in a like the 2/3 EMP bowling alley. And the beer is cheap and the shoes are whatever the shoes are and everything like that. And you have some snacks and you have a good time and you go home and then you do it again next year. But you don't bowl that often. So a lot of people really like that. I like that too. It's got an Americana feel. It reminds me of my youth when I was a kid. And you know, every once in a while, like, I remember our Cub Scouts going to a half empty bowling alley one time and bowling for a while and having a good time. They were always the same. Well, this Lucky Strike scene company has gone around the country buying up those kind of bowling alleys and turning them into something different. Entertainment venues with super loud music, upscale bars, expensive drinks. Way more corporate events. I don't know if your local bowling alley has any corporate events in the past, but now they have corporate events there. Less emphasis on league bowling, all these different things. And it's all for profit, Just to make money, say the people in the complaint. I was listening to NPR's version of this story today and I thought it was really interesting. And it gets to the whole view of capitalism and people. People were complaining that this company bought these bowling alleys that willingly sold to them because the guy, whoever owned it at the time, A guy or a couple of guys or whatever who owned the bowling alleys, hell yeah, I'll sell it for that much money, right? And then the company that buys it tries to turn it into something more profitable that more people would come to. And then.

[Joe Getty]

Oh yeah, I like, I like to. I would flip those phrases just because kids have gotten so indoctrinated away from the idea of profit being good, they want to do something more people like, which brings them more profit, right?

[Jack Armstrong]

By definition, if they can make it, make more profit, more people like it. It might not be the same people, which is what you're hating on. You liked it the way it was before when you liked it that way and you went in there to a, you know, a third full bowling alley and had cheap beer and it didn't have pumping loud music in a bar with an expensive drinks. But. But now there are more people there and it's making more money. And this happens so often now, in some cases, maybe the bowling alley ends up being worse and they cut costs and all that sort of stuff as the, as some of the lawsuits are complaining. But there are so many brands out there that aren't what you think they are based on your youth, appliance brands, clothing brands, whatever, that built up a reputation of quality. Somebody buys them, reduces the quality by a lot, but people keep buying it because it's got the name that is the cycle.

[Joe Getty]

An even cheaper version at a big box store.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is the cycle of capitalism and always has been and always will be.

[Joe Getty]

I delighted some bowling enthusiasts with my only bowling story the other night. The night in which I, playing with Rich the bass player, bowled a 97, 227, 101 in three consecutive games, which is amazing. Which if you're a golfer, it's a little like shooting 112, then 68 and then 103.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, we gotta jam in the best bowling clip of all time. This is one of the greatest bowlers of all time. After he threw a strike to win, strike to claim it. And he got it. Yes. That is why I did it. That's number five. Are you kidding me? That's right. Who do you think you are? I am.

[Joe Getty]

Who do you think you are. I am. Get it right.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's right. I did it. I did it. Whoever you think you are dying. That's some good bowling smack right there.

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[Joe Getty]

There's a certain level of wealth and accumulation that is unearned, right?

[Jack Armstrong]

You can't earn a billion dollars. That's right. You just can't earn that. That's exactly correct.

[Joe Getty]

You can. You can get market power, you can break rules, you can do all sorts of things. You can abuse labor laws, you can

[Jack Armstrong]

pay people less than what they're worth Y.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Right. And so you have to create a myth

[Joe Getty]

that since you didn't earn that,

[Jack Armstrong]

you have to create a myth of earning it.

[Joe Getty]

That is unspeakably idiotic and ignorant.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I don't feel like you're probably going to, but I don't feel like it. It requires a response. I assume if you're listening to this show, you don't agree with it. But what's so interesting to me, that's aoc. If you don't recognize the voice of the cute Bostonian bartender, aoc. I shouldn't say that. I'm not against, I'm not. Well, I'm not against regular people becoming congress people. I don't think being a lawyer makes you more qualified than somebody that's had regular jobs, for instance. But she has a very weird view of the world and the way it works.

[Joe Getty]

But idiotic is the word I would use.

[Jack Armstrong]

But the problem is, and that's such an easy sell, that sort of thing in terms of messaging and standing in front of big crowds, that is so much easier a pitch than, you know, dissecting the economics of how you become a billionaire and why that's not actually stealing from people.

[Joe Getty]

Well, I could do it in 30 seconds, but that it would have to. The problem is it would have to trump envy, which is and always has been one of the most powerful forces in politics. And the left has really learned to harness envy as their, their friend. And it's very, very hard to get people to give up envy or self pity. I mean, that's a hard job. So I, I played that to get us into the following discussion, which is going to bounce around a little bit, but got this note from D.C. in Tennessee who says, good morning, Fancy freedom and Big Jack mixing up Our longtime nicknames. I want to get right in, get some clarification on something I've been thinking about. And he says some very, very nice things about the show. Thank you very much, D.C. as someone who's looking to start a family in the next few years, I've been thinking a lot about the kind of values and environment I want to raise my future kids in. I believe strongly in personal responsibility, freedom, raising the next generation to understand what it means to be an American. And he agrees with much of what we say. One thing I'm still trying to fully understand, though, is the motivation between Marxist ideology, as you describe it, from your perspective. It's clear what the movement is doing and the direction it's pushing. But what I don't quite grasp is what the individuals promoting these ideas ultimately hope to gain. Is it about power, control, ideology, or something else entirely? I appreciate clarification. Well, yeah, all of the above. Power and control, basically the same thing. And the ideology is certainly as old as the 19. Around 1900 and actually a little before that. It's a completely different way of organizing society that people truly believe is better. They're murderously wrong. They're horrifically wrong. But Marxism socialism is the grift that just.

[Jack Armstrong]

You can't kill.

[Joe Getty]

All you can do is manage it, I guess. To that end, I was very gratified that the White House put out their national Security strategy. What's the actual name of it? Oh, US Counterterrorism Strategy for this year. And I was very happy to see they specifically cited they're gonna look into new and evolving collaboration between nation states and threat groups such as cartels. Point number two is we're going to investigate new and deepening alliances between the far left and Islamists, that is the Red Green alliance. So I was very, very happy to see that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, are you moving on from AOC's screed against billionaires?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, go. Yeah. Do you have more to say?

[Jack Armstrong]

No, I just. I just would like to know what her pushback would be on, you know, if. If Elon Musk's invents the first Musks. There's several of them in my sentence. If Elon Musk doubles swelling on clones.

[Joe Getty]

Clones, actually.

[Jack Armstrong]

If Elon Musk invents the first, like, really viable electric car that enough people love the world over to earn him billions of dollars, how is he not supposed to end up a billionaire? He would give enough of the profit back that, like, each employee is making six figures, even if you're just putting a bolt on A nut or what?

[Joe Getty]

Their point of view, and it's utterly unsupportable by any fact or understanding of human nature, is that the person with the idea and the patent, who puts up all the money, who takes all the risk when that pays off, should spread out all the money so they don't get any more than anybody else.

[Jack Armstrong]

Maybe a better example would be Bill Gates, who was the world's richest man, you know, most of my adult life, I guess, because of Microsoft. I mean, you talk about reaching a lot of people. Not that many people drive electric cars, but everybody was using some sort of Microsoft production for a long time. So you invent something that every single computer at home and at work in the world practically is using, you still shouldn't end up a billionaire.

[Joe Getty]

They make 12 bucks a pop and they sell it to 700 million people in the developed world. I'll let you do the math. Aoc what does that mean? And what's wrong with that? Well, she would. She would answer the way I answered before. Yeah, all of that profit, unholy profit, should be spread out among people, all people. So we don't really have time for this. I wanted to get into it, but how the Far left tapped into a money machine in the Free Press. Rui Teixeira, who's a moderate Democrat writing about how the right kind of populists on the left now are. It's as if they have rented the US Mint and are printing money as fast as they possibly can. There is money pouring into the far left radical crowd. Donations from. From $10 to 200. Generally speaking, it's enormously profitable. But I wanted to get to this instead, which also happens to be from the Free Press, but it's written by Gary Saul Morrison. It's called the Terrorist Mind. There is literary and historical precedent for the normalizing of terrorism. And he goes into the the current situation, but he describes the Russian terrorist movement which began in the 1870s, which seems a long time ago, but, you know, we were only a few years away from cars and planes. It prodigious dimensions. By the Beginning of the 20th century, between October of 05 and the end of 07, some 4,500 government officials and about the same number of private individuals were killed or injured in terrorist attacks. Newspapers included supplements entirely devoted to assassinations and expropriations. In the town of Bellostock, now Bialystok, one terrorist group consisted entirely of school children. The most evocative story of the routinely violent climate of the time concerns a newspaper reporter who asked his editor whether to run the new governor's biography and was told, nah, save it for the obituary. And who were these terrorists? Except in rare circumstances, they came not from the oppressed working class or peasantry, but from the ranks of the highly educated or prominent. Resorting to terror in this time and place became almost mundane and unexceptional. Many were the offspring of the very people who supplied targets. While a few were mentally unbalanced. Most were either inspired by ideology, the sheer thrill of killing, or both. Young men or women, when asked their intended career, often answered terrorist. An honored if dangerous profession, often a family trade. Commentators spoke of revolutionism, that is revolution apart from what might follow it as a goal in itself, along with art for art's sake. This was terror for terror's sake. And he. Well, he writes, parallel suggests we may be at the early stages of the Russian experience. And it comes readily to mind, as in Russia, alleged recent murders and attempted murders have been anything but uneducated. And he cites the murder of poor Brian Thompson, the recent White House correspondents Dinner Shooter and several others, and some of their idiotic reasoning, which we've gone through pretty thoroughly. But like the dinner shooter, do you think, when I see someone raped or murdered or abused, I should walk on? So no. His answer is no, I'm going to kill some people. And then he goes into the October 7th attacks, where within hours, 34 Harvard student organizations rush to express their approval. Such thinking results not from mental imbalance, ignorance or irrationality, on the contrary, to issues from ideologies claiming to advance social justice and viewing murder not just as morally permitted, but as morally necessary. Somebody had to do it. As Alan explained. I don't see anyone else picking up the slack. And he cites other historical examples. Mao's China, obviously, where it became very, very in vogue for a while to be at times literally murderous, radical. And then it goes away.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that book about the Cuban revolution that I've been reading, Cuba Libre, that I'm listening to is really good. It's amazing. Educated and well to do. So many of the leaders were, including Che Guevara, who was a doctor, if you didn't know that, and Fidel himself, who grew up incredibly wealthy compared to the surrounding area and was highly educated. He was a lawyer.

[Joe Getty]

I have not. I've read a fair amount of Dostoevsky and love him as an author, but I had not read Demons. I'll just read you what the author writes. The world's greatest political novel, Dostoevsky's Demons examined the beginnings of the terrorist movement in the 1870s. The novel portrays the revolutionaries harshly, but not so harshly as the smug, cowardly liberals who apologized for them, both because liberal support allows the radicals to succeed and because terrorism reveals what is already implicit in some liberal doctrines. But, he writes, whereas most 19th century thinkers imagine that the 20th century would create universal humanitarian progress, Dostoevsky, and only Dostoevsky, predicted it would, on the contrary, engender a political system more oppressive than any before. He foresaw in detail what we have come to call totalitarianism.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, he was a revolutionary himself. He hung out with that crowd and was sentenced to death. Then they didn't shoot him as a trick, but. So it's a hell of a trick. Yeah, he was actually up against the. He was standing up at the pole, blindfolded.

[Joe Getty]

Ready, aim.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, we're not going to kill you, but think about it. The next time

[Joe Getty]

he went, it went against the party line.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's getting pretty close. Anyway, he knew what revolution.

[Joe Getty]

Your pants close, certainly.

[Jack Armstrong]

God, I'd say.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, so he was describing the movement from the inside, just like Orwell was. And, you know, maybe I'll conclude with my. One of my favorite Aldous Huxley quotes that I love so much. I have it pinned in the studio. The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people that they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior righteous indignation. This is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it seems to be a human nature thing, huh?

[Joe Getty]

It's what we're seeing among the young people right now in some of the old revolutionary chic, radical chic jackasses. Just like Jack was describing Guevara and Castro. Or as Matt Taibbi described it so beautifully, the upper class twits promoting Revolution Space.

[Jack Armstrong]

We hit a milestone with our debt over the weekend.

[Joe Getty]

Way to go, everybody. Way to go, America. We are the number one country on earth.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'll hold off on that for a while, though, because we can't go all serious depressing stuff, especially on a Friday. We got lots of other things to get to. Gonna be a jazzy day. I think it'll be jazzy. About ready to switch on the daiquiri machine and start making daiquiris. I don't know what flavor we should go with this week. I got all kinds of different fruit here.

[Joe Getty]

Michael is on a low carb diet. He's proposing hamburger flavor tonight. Yeah, I can't have any sugar. Veto that at bakery. Hey, back to your point about not being too heavy in the rest of it. And I should have actually said this out lo. Part of my reason in bringing this up is that the world hasn't gone crazy, per se. All good sense and decency is not vanishing. This is a bizarre tendency of human beings that this burbles up every so often.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yep.

[Joe Getty]

You got to fight it. You got to push it back. And it'll probably go away again.

[Jack Armstrong]

Can you not have sugar? Even from fruit, Mike?

[Joe Getty]

I can eat fruit.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Okay, so they don't count.

[Joe Getty]

I just have to watch the amount. You sure?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Maybe like sweet and sour pork daiquiris, because that's got, you know, some sweetness to it. No, Jack, you love sweet and sour pork.

[Jack Armstrong]

I do. I don't know if I like. I don't know if I like it in daiquiri form, but.

[Joe Getty]

But in the green peppers.

[Jack Armstrong]

And now the pineapple.

[Joe Getty]

Ew.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why isn't that color? That's not a good color for a daiquiri. Yeah, that's the pork color. All right. Stay here.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Joe Getty]

the men's and women's tournaments will go from 68 teams each to 76 beginning next year.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, okay. So are they going to keep the same? So I don't know what the math is on that but you know a 16 has never beat a 1. Are you going to have like a 24? Has never beat a 1 and is never not lost by more than less than 50? Is that what it's going to end up being or is that they going

[Joe Getty]

to do it going to have like 24 playing games?

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know, I don't have any idea and I'm not interested enough to look into it. We do have some breaking news that I don't want to get bogged down on. Maybe we can talk about it later but the Virginia Supreme Court Court just struck down the Democrats redrawn House map which is a big positive step for Republicans cuz that was gonna be among the worst German in the country but not the worst. The worst exists already in several other states and has for years. And nobody talks about it as if this is a brand new phenomenon. Anyway, like I said, I didn't wanna get bogged down. Now I'm bogging us down.

[Joe Getty]

Bogger.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm a bogger. Couple things. Came across this meme yesterday that I thought it was funny. As a single guy who drives a cybertruck truck, somebody had a picture of one. I've seen a lot of things in my life, but I've never seen a female passenger in the seat of a cyber truck. Gotta admit, I've worried about that I ever get a big date, I pull up to their house in that I think there's like a better than 50, 50 chance. They're like that. It's a negative rather than a positive. It's like, oh wow, that's what he drives you.

[Joe Getty]

Well, if you consider your date diving behind the couch and pretending they're not at home to be a negative, then yeah, yeah, that's negative.

[Jack Armstrong]

I have to rent a car if I ever go on a date. Why does this car have Florida plates? It just does. Another thing I came across, I think I told the story a couple weeks ago, but my son was choking just mysteriously every single night. It was really quite scary and horrible and it lasted for a couple of weeks and we down sat, saw five different doctors. Then it kind of went away and we don't know why, which is disturbing because obviously could come back. Anyway, a friend of mine who worked in the medical field in a variety of things said, did he need to get his esophagus stretched? I said. I said, is that a thing? Said yes. My ex father in law had it done once a year. Get your esophagus stretched, please.

[Joe Getty]

Put me under for a week. Where do you go? That same shop in the mall. It'll pierce your ears. And what do they do?

[Jack Armstrong]

They jam something down there that's like small and then gets bit like a baseball bat. Like it's bigger as it gets flared out and they stretch. There you go. It's about big enough at you. We'll see you in a month.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, I can picture the device. The ladies are familiar with them.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's not a process I want to get done. Never seen a woman in the passenger seat of a cybertruck. I don't think I have either actually, now that I think about it.

[Joe Getty]

Not of her own free will, right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Not who was. Who wasn't bound. So that is a pretty big deal. The Virginia Supreme Court knocking down that redistricting thing. I wish, I definitely wish Congress would step in and say, okay, we got to have some rules here around redistricting. That, that, that makes it not ridiculous, but I don't know that that's going to happen.

[Joe Getty]

And no more mid decade redistricting is a popular thought. Just slow down the frenzy.

[Jack Armstrong]

We did cross a line with debt this week where it's never happened like this other than wartime or during the pandemic. And it is really bad news and nobody is talking about it in Washington, D.C. whether we talk about it today or not, I don't know if we'll get to it, but it's really the

[Joe Getty]

only story that matters. But nobody's talking about it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Are the Jews controlling the Department of Homeland Security? And a bunch of other things, as Tucker Carlson claims, no, no is the answer.

[Joe Getty]

Stay tuned for hour three, Armstrong and Getty.

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