The Chimp Says "Hold My Banana."

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand — "The Chimp Says 'Hold My Banana.'"

iHeartPodcasts | February 27, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode sees Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty at their sardonic best, opening with the dramatic standoff between Anthropic—one of the world’s leading AI companies—and the Pentagon over the use of artificial intelligence in military applications. The discussion dives deep into the ethical, strategic, and existential stakes of letting AI into national defense, with a side helping of the latest American cultural, political, and economic stories. Later, they welcome guest Steve Hilton, California gubernatorial candidate, for a spirited critique of California’s governance. As always, the hosts blend serious analysis with gallows humor.

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Main Topics and Key Insights

1. Anthropic vs. the Pentagon: An AI Showdown (02:59–16:38)

• Story Introduction: The Pentagon has threatened to revoke Anthropic’s (creator of Claude AI) contracts or seize its technology if the company refuses military application requests—prompting CEO Dario Amodei to stand firm on ethical boundaries.
• Nature of the Dispute:
  • Pentagon requests broader AI use; Anthropic refuses, citing red lines (no autonomous battlefield decisions, no mass domestic surveillance).
  • The Pentagon insists these restrictions jeopardize military operations “in critical moments.”
  • Deadline issued: Anthropic given until 5:01 PM EST to comply.
• Industry Response:
  • Sam Altman from OpenAI (ChatGPT) sides with Anthropic, emphasizing similar ethical boundaries.
  • Other tech giants involved in military AI pilot programs include Google and Elon Musk’s xAI.
• Ethical and Existential Fears:
  • Highlight: Fear that government or military control of advanced AI could spiral out of control (“Do they mean all of Anthropic’s AI capabilities or one specific aspect of it? Either way, that would be something.” – Jack, 03:24).
  • Concerns over “AI hallucinations,” reliability, and constitutional risks (“Putting it in charge of something that could undermine constitutional protections… yeah, it’s not ready,” Joe, 07:57).
  • Repeated doomsday humor: "Let me check my calendar… March 10th is doomsday," Joe deadpans about bureaucrats controlling AI (10:53).
• AI Ethics and Regulation:
  • Dario Amodei’s orientation as a “lefty, give peace a chance sort of guy” (Jack, 09:04); reluctance to enable lethal autonomous decisions or mass surveillance.
  • The Trump administration’s push to expand military use of AI (14:00).
  • Criticism of slow-moving government regulation in “a technology that changes on a day by day basis” (Joe, 13:36).

Memorable Quotes

• “This just… it feels like handing a machine gun to a chimpanzee. It just does not have a good, good feel. It feels a little doomy.” — Joe Getty (15:06)
• “Chimp says hold my banana.” — Jack Armstrong (16:30)
• “God, then it’s in the hands of bureaucrats.” — Jack Armstrong (10:31)

Notable Moments

• The hosts muse about how neither the tech companies nor the Pentagon fully grasp what they’re dealing with (“The Pentagon wouldn’t know what to do with it once it got it… The AI companies hardly do,” Joe, 03:51).
• Bemused speculation on whether China or rogue states might trust their nukes to glitchy AI (Jack & Joe, 15:17–15:40).

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2. Health and Economics Quick Takes (19:55–23:43)

• Papa John’s Closures: The hosts observe the fall of Papa John’s and the rise of frozen pizzas, peppered with banter about taste and East Coast elitism (19:55–20:52).
• Mortgage Rate Dip: Rates fall below 6%, but entrenched low mortgages (“the locked real estate market”) mean it may not unfreeze the market (20:54–21:29).
• Surge in Heart Attacks among Under-55s: Data on rising fatal first heart attacks despite broader improvements in heart disease rates. Causes: diabetes, kidney disease, drug use, and especially obesity affecting younger generations (21:29–23:43).
• Fat Acceptance: Both hosts denounce the "fat acceptance" movement while stressing they oppose cruelty (23:18–23:43).

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3. Steve Hilton Interview: California at the Crossroads (27:41–39:03)

• Hilton’s Background and Campaign Motivation:
  • Family fled communism in Hungary, lived through UK’s 1970s socialism—Hilton draws parallels with modern California.
  • Reaction against one-party rule, high taxes, union dominance, cost-of-living crisis.
• Campaign Platform Highlights:
  • $3 gas, cutting electric bills in half, first $100k income tax-free, ending free healthcare for illegal immigrants, making homes affordable.
  • Anti-corruption pledges: Claims of massive fraud in gas and cannabis taxes redirected to political activism (35:08).
  • Appointing a Director of Anti-Trafficking Initiatives, promising rapid action.
• Strategy and Outlook:
  • Asserts he’s “leading in all the polls,” winning TV debates “hands down” (“It’s not even close.” — Hilton, 32:47).
  • Relies on the presence of voter ID on the ballot to boost Republican turnout.
  • Critiques “weak and unimpressive” Democrat candidates.
• Gripes with California Politics: Democrats seen as beholden to unions/lobbyists; cynicism about who “made the mess.”
• Hosts’ Strategy: Lighthearted hope to “get in” with Hilton and attend the governor’s inauguration, as they did with Arnold Schwarzenegger (39:09).

Memorable Quotes

• “There's a bigger, deeper thing: I'm fighting to make sure this beautiful state that I love does not turn into the country I left.” — Steve Hilton (31:34)
• “We're the worst run state in America. We have the highest poverty rate, the highest unemployment rate, the highest cost of living, the unions running everything. They want to tax everyone to the hilt.” — Steve Hilton (29:17)

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4. Business Jargon We Hate (44:30–48:40)

• Listener Poll: Top hated business phrases according to Wall Street Journal readers:
  • Bandwidth (most hated, but both hosts confess to using it)
  • Circle back, decision tree, change agent, deep dive, growth mindset, hard stop (“I’ve never heard of that one… I’m going to start using that. This is a decisioning moment for us.” — Jack, 47:57)
  • “The juice isn’t worth the squeeze”—oddly, the hosts like this one.
  • Lament about people using jargon for status signaling and communication breakdown.
• Humorous Takeaways: Joe lampoons IT emails (“zero day vulnerability”), and Jack wonders if people really have the “instinct for how what they are saying is being received” (45:20).

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5. Brief Teasers & Coming Up

• Upcoming Segments:
  • Airport dress code debate (40:33)
  • The latest in the Epstein testimony with Hillary and Bill Clinton (43:49)
  • “Gender bending madness”—to be discussed (44:11)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Anthropic-Pentagon AI standoff begins: 02:59
• AI company ethics and regulatory dilemmas: 06:24–14:48
• “This feels like handing a machine gun to a chimpanzee…” (doomsday riff): 15:06
• Steve Hilton interview starts: 27:41
• Hilton on California + campaign vision: 29:17–36:17
• Jargon hatefest: 44:30–48:40

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “This is some of the most cutting edge technology on earth and the Pentagon wouldn’t know what to do with it once it got it.” — Joe Getty (03:51)
• “Anthropic… is probably the most conscientious of the people running AI… seems like a bit of a hippie around all this sort of stuff.” — Jack Armstrong (09:07)
• “It feels like handing a machine gun to a chimpanzee.” — Joe Getty (15:06)
• “Chimp says hold my banana.” — Jack Armstrong (16:30)
• On California: “We're the worst run state in America… and we got to change, we've got to go in a new direction.” — Steve Hilton (29:17)
• “We’re not gonna take it. Yeah, beautiful days, wonderful days. We all miss them.” — Joe Getty (40:15, nostalgic for earlier California politics)

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Tone & Style

• Wry, Skeptical, Alert: Hosts blend world-weary humor with genuine worry, especially about AI.
• Conversational & Candid: Back-and-forth banter, unfiltered opinions.
• Cynical about bureaucracy; cautious optimism about reform.

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Summary

This episode tackles the dramatic collision of AI ethics, national security, and regulatory failure, illustrating with the real-time news of Anthropic’s standoff with the Pentagon. Jack and Joe parse what’s at stake for democracy, privacy, and even survival, with characteristic humor and directness. Amid lighter segments on pizza, jargon, and housing, the Steve Hilton interview supplies a passionate, outsider take on California’s crisis of governance. The whole episode underscores the unpredictability of technology, the stubbornness of politics, and the enduring human urge to joke about the apocalypse.

Transcript

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[Steve Hilton]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio

[Jack Armstrong]

Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Steve Hilton]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

Anthropic and the Pentagon are locked in a city standoff over access to the company's powerful artificial intelligence. If Anthropic doesn't comply, the Pentagon says it will revoke the company's government contracts or seize use of the technology under the Defense Production Act. Anthropic CEO Dario Amadei responded, saying, these threats do not change our position. We cannot in good conscience accede to their request.

This is really an interesting story. The more I dig into it, it's kind of exploding today. Wall Street Journal and Washington Post both having exclusives about it. That was from CBS News last night, I think. What does that mean when the Pentagon says we might just take your technology? Do they mean all of Anthropic's AI capabilities or one specific aspect of it? Either way, that would be something.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, agreed. Yeah. This is a horrendous thing to say. It strikes me as a invading Greenland style unnecessary threat from the Pentagon. So I mean, that would be. This is some of the most cutting edge technology on earth and the Pentagon wouldn't know what to do with it once it got it. Very true. The AI companies hardly do. Well, they don't really.

[Jack Armstrong]

Very true. Which is one of the points Dario, the guy who runs Anthropic is always making. Anthropic's denying some of this stuff. The undersecretary this just across this is breaking the Undersecretary of State, last name Michael, told CBS that Dario, the CEO of Anthropic, is a liar. Oh, so full on dropped an L bomb on him. Let's get ABC's version of this story with Selena Wang.

Anthropic says they've got some clear red lines. That includes using AI on the battlefield, where it is AI and not humans that make the final targeting decision. And they're against using AI for mass domestic surveillance. Now the Pentagon, for its part, says they've got no desire to use AI for either of those use cases, but argues that the restrictions that Anthropic wants could jeopardize their military operations in critical moments.

We're going to hear more from that report, and I don't know if it's in one of these report, but the Pentagon has given anthropic until 501 today, East coast time to drop its objections or the Pentagon might seize Anthropics technology.

[Joe Getty]

What interestingly, and this is breaking, Sam Altman just came out and said, yeah, us too, us too. We, we agree with Anthropic about the limitations and, and what we will and won't do for the Pentagon. So he his. What's the. The umbrella company for ChatGPT?

[Jack Armstrong]

OpenAI.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, let's hear more of this report because I don't want to repeat what she's about to say. Go on.

I mean, artificial intelligence is so powerful. There are many use cases within the Department of Defense. And the Pentagon has been using anthropics technology as part of this $200 million AI pilot program within the DOD. And it's not just anthropic. There's Elon Musk's XAI, Google, OpenAI, they're also part of the program. But Claude, which is their AI tool, is very advanced and it is something that the military would want to keep on using.

And the other clip we have from her is that the Wall Street Journal reported that Anthropic was used in the capture of Mad Duro. So the Pentagon has already used that company. I didn't even know the Pentagon was working with Anthropic of the AI companies. For some reason they chose to, you know, partner up with that one. And some of the technology was used to catch Capture Maduro, which I'm sure is secret. We don't have any idea of. But Dario Amodi said in a statement late last night that Anthropic was ready to continue working with the Pentagon, but would not change its stance. Current AI systems are not reliable enough to power robotic weaponry without putting troops and civilians alike at risk. He said, oh, and existing laws on domestic surveillance do not account for the sweeping potential of AI snooping tools. In a narrow set of cases, we believe AI can undermine rather than defend democratic values. See, this is the sort of thing that Ian Bremmer's been talking about a lot, where amazing amounts of power are being concentrated in, like, single hands. We've seen it with Elon Musk around the world where he can drop a satellite system into Ukraine, for instance, and you get to communicate. The one guy decided that, which is absolutely amazing. Modi went on to say, well, more about. He's concerned about AI being used for robots on the battlefield. But, you know, his. His call on whether or not it is being used properly or is ready to go might be different than the Pentagon's.

[Joe Getty]

Sure, Sure. I was struck by that one sentence, though, given what we've all heard about the tendency for AI systems to have hallucinations and make bizarre mistakes or, you know, in my experience, it kept telling me, I'm not authorized to do that. And I kept telling it, yes, you are. And it kept saying, you're right, I am. And then 10 seconds later it would tell me, I'm not authorized to do this. And it just went back and forth. It was like Three Stooges routine or who's on first? Given that state, which will be different next month, but given that state of affairs. Yeah. Putting it in charge of something that could conceivably undermine all of our constitutional protections, our right to privacy, if you believe that exists. Blah, blah, blah. Penumbra, Bill of Rights. The argument, hey, that, hey, it's not ready to be given that awesome, you know, a set of. Of tasks.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that's one side of it. The, the. And that's all true, but the other side of it would be based on my reading of Dario in every interview I've seen with him or read and everything like that. He's a very lefty, give piece of chance sort of guy.

[Joe Getty]

That he's a hippie. He's a damned hippie. Is that what you're trying to say?

[Jack Armstrong]

He's. He's probably the most conscientious of the people running AI I think read that description of him yesterday that Elon retweeted that kind of called bull s on that. But at least his public statements. Dario seems like a bit of a hippie around all this sort of stuff and is going to be really hesitant to want his technology to be used, you know, on. On. On robots going across the land shooting bad guys. So you got that end of it, too.

[Joe Getty]

He's the son of Oppenheimer in that way, you know. You know, if you follow me, those who participated in the development of the atomic bomb, many of whom were very uncomfortable with the reality of it. I get that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, there's a couple interesting things here. One, I didn't realize we were this far down the road of AI being integrated with our national defense. Who did? And secondly, need a little clarification on that threat from the Pentagon for seizing their technology. Right. Whoa.

[Joe Getty]

You can either sell it to us or we're going to Take it.

[Jack Armstrong]

In other words, anthropic Claude, that whole thing is in the top handful of best AIs on planet Earth. And the government's going to take it. And like you said, they wouldn't know what to do with it anyway or. Or how to continue to grow it.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

God, then it's in the hands of bureaucrats. So the technology that the people at the top of these companies are trying to keep on the rails, either for conscientious reasons or financial reasons, then the government's got one of the best AIs on the planet. We all. I don't know about your trust in the government's ability to keep it on the rails.

[Joe Getty]

Let me check my calendar. I'm sorry. I hate to do this in the middle of the show. Yeah, that's right. March 10th is doomsday. Doomsday is approaching, folks. Does not this all reek of doomsday? Is doomsday. You got bureaucrats and or scientists both trying to wield technology. Nobody knows how it works, and it could kill us all.

[Jack Armstrong]

Is doomsday like a blue beaver moon? Is it like one of those things or. It's more like once a civilization sort of thing.

[Joe Getty]

It's always the second Tuesday of the month.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think they ought to make it

[Joe Getty]

on a Friday, you know, in case you. So I can all drunk or whatever, right? Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes.

[Joe Getty]

Katie, want to show up to work hungover?

[Jack Armstrong]

And don't forget that mercury is in Gatorade right now. All right. Mercury is in Gatorade.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

So I feel like I'm both unbelievably under qualified to comment on this story and absolutely qualified enough on a top level, 30,000ft level to comment on it, as anybody would be. We got the Pentagon working with one of your top AIs and they're having a battle over who's in charge of the decision making. That's a huge maybe, like you're joking about doomsday, like civilization altering conversation that's going on right now. In a Another post from Trump's top AI advisor accused Anthropic of fear mongering and pursuing regulatory capture, an attempt to bend the government to its will. Anthropic leaders have criticized one of the administration's key AI policies in recent weeks, all fitting in with the Pentagon thing that has exploded on the front pages today.

[Joe Getty]

Oh boy. One of the great problems with government regulation is that it's notoriously slow to adapt to a changing marketplace, changing technology, etc. That's why it handicaps economies. Look at France, look at Europe. And given that this is a technology that changes on like a day by day basis and is leaping forward toward God knows what, certainly on a monthly basis, how do you even deal with that?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, Washington Post on this story today. Unlike a gun or a jet engine, the uses that AI might find on future battlefields keeps changing every day. The Trump administration is embarking upon a vast expansion of the military's use of AI.

Wow.

Leading figures in the development of AI have long had ethical and legal concerns about giving AI the power to make life and death decisions. Well, that's specifically what they're asking Anthropic to do with the spec. With the incoming nuclear missiles. AI's got to make a call on whether we respond or not. That's asking AI to make a life or death decision. And yeah, and Dario is not comfortable with that.

[Joe Getty]

I'm. I'm reminded of the moving and tuneful Sting classic the Russians. I think the title was the in which he was talking about nuclear war and said, I hope the Russians love their children too. AI couldn't give a crap about your children or the Russians children, no matter how hard they teach it to.

[Jack Armstrong]

Excellent point.

[Joe Getty]

And it just, I. This just, it feels like handing a machine gun to a chimpanzee. It just does not have a good, good feel. It feels a little doomy.

[Jack Armstrong]

And is China going to put their nuclear umbrella in the hands of their best AI? That might not be that good.

[Joe Getty]

Well, and given the devastating power of AI in a hundred different applications, potentially certainly it could be a runt like North Korea unleashes some sort of horrific chapter in human history.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, wouldn't it be something serious? Show this is right, do me who wants to listen to this on a Friday comment, blah blah blah, pull your

[Joe Getty]

entrails out of your abdomen and burn you at a stake, etc. Etc.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know if that needs to happen if we go to all out nuclear war maybe. Wouldn't it be something if human beings were able to keep the lid on nuclear weapons for 80 years with the worst never happening? But all these big companies put AI in charge and AI just goes for it. Somebody fires something or thinks they fired something and the AIs respond and then all of a then we're at the big nuclear war everybody's worried about. Human beings could handle it. The super smart, super intelligent AI can't partially because of what Joe just said. They don't give a crap about your kids.

[Joe Getty]

Look at the chimp, he's got a machine gun. This will end well.

[Jack Armstrong]

Chimp says hold my banana. All right, we got more on the way.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Joe Getty]

Papa John's just said that they're closing hundreds of locations across the country. You know it's bad when no one asks why. Yeah. Business began dwindling when customers started upgrading to lunchables.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh wow.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. East coast media elitism.

[Jack Armstrong]

I feel like we've we talked about this with a number of pizza chains. I feel like Papa John's changed over the years too. Did my taste change or did it change? I used to love Papa John's and then the last few times I had it, I thought then I could be wrong.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I'd like to claim my don't eat those pizzas because I'm better than you. In fact, I have claimed that, but it's mostly because Judy and I buy like really good high end frozen pizzas.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, frozen pizzas come a long way. They've come a long way. That's what my kids like. There's a Couple of brands of frozen pizza they just love.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. So if we need it quick and easy, that's what we do.

[Jack Armstrong]

And it's so much cheaper.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, so much cheaper.

[Jack Armstrong]

We mentioned mortgage rates have fallen below 6% for the first time since pandemic days. So it's in the fives. Will this be enough to dislodge the locked. To a great extent real estate market where people don't move because what am I gonna sell my house? Move into a house half as much, half the size and have a higher house payment? Why would I do that?

[Joe Getty]

Sure. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And help. It'll help. But if you got like a, you know, a two and a half percent mortgage like a lot of people do.

[Joe Getty]

So.

[Jack Armstrong]

Still a long way from making sense. Probably.

[Joe Getty]

Hear, hear. Speaking of unprecedented, more Americans under 55 are dying of severe heart attacks than ever before. The proportion of adults age 18 to 54 who died of severe first heart attack rose 57% between 2011 and 2022.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, let me take some news. That's amazing. That's an astounding fact, given the fact that we're, I think, healthier and all that sort of stuff. Let me come up with some guesses.

[Joe Getty]

One, one more quick fact before you guess. It's especially astounding because overall heart disease deaths are improving.

[Jack Armstrong]

Energy drinks. I don't really have a good guess.

[Joe Getty]

Think about it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Just obesity.

[Joe Getty]

Mm.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. The increase among 18 to 54 year olds. Especially concerning because mortality from heart attacks has generally been declining. At least 3/4 of heart attacks among young and middle aged adults are first time heart attacks. He said risk factors driving the increase.

[Jack Armstrong]

Your first heart attack is your last heart attack. For a lot of people.

[Joe Getty]

That was kind of a weird statistic. Don't get hung up on it. Risk factors driving the increase include diabetes, chronic kidney disease and drug use. The study found. Blah, blah, blah. There you go. A lot of that stuff. To obesity.

[Jack Armstrong]

We're not just all of a sudden overweight, though. Been overweight for quite a while now.

[Joe Getty]

Obesity rates have skyrocketed certainly since the late 90s. Yeah. And now the people who have been obese since childhood are reaching the age of your candidate for the old ticker bomb.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't like talking about this.

[Joe Getty]

I know. I don't either. So let's stop. Coming up, the corporate jargon we hate the most. One more thought on it. The whole circle back to that. We'll put a pin in it. The whole fat acceptance thing is insane.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it is.

[Joe Getty]

I'm not gonna belittle someone or berate

[Jack Armstrong]

them or make fun of fun of

[Joe Getty]

them because I don't believe in cruelty. But anyway, well, enough said.

[Jack Armstrong]

When you sit around the house, you sit around the house.

[Joe Getty]

Oh my Lord. Bathroom doors, fitting through, et cetera. No, we're not going there. Got a lot of good stuff to get to though.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Joe Getty]

I'm no better than you.

[Steve Hilton]

I'm a 960sat guy.

[Jack Armstrong]

One of the odder attempts to be relatable than I can remember in running for presidential history.

[Joe Getty]

That was the Governor of Cal Unicornia, the current guy. Here's a guy who's running for the office, longtime friend of the Armstrong and Getty Show, Steve Hilton. You probably know him from the Next Revolution with Steve Hilton on Fox News or he formerly hosted the podcast California Rebel Base. Always good to talk to him. Steve, how are you sir?

[Steve Hilton]

Very well. Great to be with you guys. What a joke. Newsom just goes from completely useless, the most useless governor in America to a total joke. I mean, I don't know how he thinks any of this is helping him.

[Jack Armstrong]

Do you do so. I don't have any idea what you got on the SAT or the equivalent that you took in your country growing up, but what do you think his goal was there?

[Steve Hilton]

It's okay. I'm as dumb as you are, make me your president, right?

[Joe Getty]

And I'm sitting there thinking, number one, you just called me dumb. Number two, I want a smart guy.

[Jack Armstrong]

What are you doing?

[Joe Getty]

What are you working at?

[Steve Hilton]

You know Steve, speaking of unbelievable.

[Joe Getty]

Speaking of quote unquote, your country. I know something about your biography. That your parents fled communism in Hungary and started a new life in England where you grew up and worked and rose to levels of influence. It went to Oxford University, et cetera. I am, we are both rabid anti communists. But I'm guessing that part of your disdain for the mobbed up one party system in California is your family background. Is that a stretch or is that true?

[Steve Hilton]

Exactly. No, it's both parts actually. You're completely right. I've got a complete hatred of big authoritarian government that tries to kind of run your life and tell you what to do. I saw that firsthand when I was a kid. We'd go back to Hungary behind the Iron Curtain every year, sometimes twice a year. And I just saw what the rest of my family had to put up with. You can't run a business, you can't speak your mind, you can't. Everyone is forced to have roughly the same income. Basically Mamdani's dream in reality there, I mean I've been to state run grocery stores as a kid, I've seen them. You don't want them here. But that other part of it actually is the UK part because as I was coming of age politically, it was at the end of the 1970s, a decade of socialism in the UK. You can't call it communism, but it was very strong socialism. And it was a total disaster. You had sky high taxes, up to 98% on some people, the unions running everything. Unions in control of everything, massive regulations, businesses couldn't run their businesses. It was a total disaster until Mrs. Thatcher came along. And honestly, when I'm looking at what's going on in California today, it really reminds me of 1970s Britain, which was. And when we had the worst unemployment in Europe, the worst inflation, everything a disaster. And that's the kind of thing that we need to address here in California. We're the worst run state in America. We have the highest poverty rate, the highest unemployment rate, the highest cost of living, the unions running everything. They want to tax everyone to the hilt. They keep coming for more and more of our money for their bottomless money pit. And we got to change, we've got to go in a new direction. And actually one of the things I say, I'm on The campaign train trail the whole time is apart from all the kind of specific things I'm fighting for. $3 gas, cut your electric bills in half, your first hundred grand tax free. No more free health care for illegal immigrants so we can lower health care costs for you. A home you can afford to buy, make our state Cal affordable. I'm fighting for all of that. But there's a bigger, deeper thing I'm fighting to make sure this beautiful state that I love does not turn into the country I left.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, we've seen like for instance with San Francisco and electing a new mayor and the streets getting cleaned up, that even people on the left can get sick of their policies to the point of wanting to try something different.

[Steve Hilton]

Exactly. And you see it in all these debates that I'm doing. The first TV debate a couple of weeks ago, me against six Democrats, I wiped the floor with them. Honestly, it's not me just bragging. That was the vote from the statewide TV audience. I won by 66%. The next one was some Matt Mahan, the mayor of San Jose, the new entrant in the race with 17%. Everyone else was below that. Last night, a debate here in LA at the Skirball center with the Jewish community that was streamed and televised on Spectrum. And again the verdict was very clear. I beat all of them. Not for doing anything special other than telling the truth, which is after 16 years of Democrat one party rule, it's a total disaster. It's obviously time for change and it's time for an outsider to shake up this system. And these Democrats, I mean they know we need listen to them at these debates. They're all saying the same kind of things that I'm saying because it's the truth. But of course they've got zero credibility. How can the people who made the mess be the ones to clean it up?

[Joe Getty]

Well, and it's pretty well known if you study California politics that the Democrats are running to prove themselves as the most loyal lackey of the powers that be, including the public employee unions and the trial attorneys and a couple other super heavyweights. How, how long is it going to take before the public catches on that that's the reality, that the we're here for you and we're going to lower prices, blah blah, blah, is entirely charade.

[Steve Hilton]

I think they are catching on. I mean this is why I think I'm leading in all the polls. And as we have more focus on the race, we have more TV debates, I think it's going to become clearer and clearer that's why I've always said, I know people look at this race and they look at California. Oh, a Republican can never win. It's too Democratic. I've never believed that. I've never believed it's going to be easy to win. But I know that it's possible because people are sick of this. And you're seeing that now as more and more attention comes onto the race. And it's the other part of this I think is really important is I'm running this race in a way that we've never seen before. I'm putting together a team in advance to make sure we are really credible and ready on day one and people can believe that we really will make things different. So I've got running mates for Attorney General Michael Gates, the former city attorney from Huntington beach who sued Gavin Newsom on housing mandates and voter ID and the sanctuary state law. An incredibly strong fighter who's going to be with me in Sacramento making sure that my executive orders have the full force of the Attorney General Herb Morgan, running for State comptroller with me. He's going to be there fighting with me to root out the fraud. Just today we published our second fraud report. I've set up the California Department of Government Efficiency, Cal Doge. We announced that about a month ago. We are already getting to work on a volunteer basis. I've got a team finding the fraud. Just today, our second report. $1 billion over the last 10 years from the gas tax and from electric bill surcharges through the cap and trade scheme that was supposed to be spent on solar panels for low income apartment buildings. Only 72 million was actually spent on that out of a billion. Listen to this. $928 million siphoned off into Democrat political activism, voter registration.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Steve Hilton]

I know. That's our second report. The one before that was 370 million from the cannabis tax going to the same purposes. I mean, we're just getting started. So we're going to be ready on day one to deal with all this nonsense. And I think that's the difference this time that I'm putting together a serious team. I mean, just this week I was in LA in Figaro street, which has become the world capital, shamefully of child sex trafficking under the Democrats. I announced my plan to deal with it, including the appointment of a new director of anti trafficking initiatives. She was there with me. I've got the person who's been, she's been working on this issue for over a decade. This is a really serious effort. We're putting together. So by the time we get to November, I'm very confident that people will see. They already know it's time for change. They know we can't go on with this nonsense, that the only choice for California is what is it? You've got to put up with this nonsense or leave the state. That's ridiculous. So they already are. They don't need to be persuaded that it's time for change. What they need to see is a really serious, clear Republican alternative. And that's what I'm putting together.

[Joe Getty]

We were profound. We're glad to hear how fired up you are because there ought to be revolution in the streets in California, never mind a vote. I mean that ought to be a no brainer. But we're so discouraged. When Lan He Chen ran for controller, was endorsed by every major news outlet in California though he is a Republican and he still lost to a hack. Do you think just enough time has gone by? Enough decay has been so obvious to the average voter that they can't resist it anymore? What makes you think a Republican can win now if Lonhi couldn't?

[Steve Hilton]

A couple of things. I mean, Lonhi's a good friend of mine. He's a great guy. I agree with everything you said there. But the problem is that was the state controllers race and inevitably there's just less attention on that and so it's harder to break through and make an impact. The governor's race is where all the attention is. And as I am showing by winning like hands down, all these debates, I mean it's not even close. As I said earlier, the first TV debate I won, 66% of the statewide audiences vote for who won the debate. Then the Next Democrat was 17% same last night. And so I think it's the first point is that the governor's race gives you the opportunity to make the case more clearly and strongly to the statewide audience. Secondly, we've got a huge secret weapon this year which is all about because it's a midterm election, it's all about Republican turnout, boosting the Republican vote. The fact that we've got voter ID on the ballot this November is incredibly important because we know that although it's got widespread support, it's got majority support across California, including among Democrats. It's Republicans who really are passionate about voter ID for obvious reasons because it helps stop the cheating. And so the fact that we've got voter ID on the ballot in November, that's going to really help us get a big vote among Republicans. So that's another reason I'm very confident we really can pull it off. And then the final point. Look at who they're putting up. You know, I mean, get out of

[Jack Armstrong]

my effing,

[Steve Hilton]

as the president might say, Right then. They're not sending their best. You've got Mrs. Mashed Potatoes. You've got Fang Fang Swalwell. You've got the billionaire climate. Billionaire climate fanatic Tom Steyer. You've got this mayor from San Jose who. Even his supporters, who I know, they say the reason you got to vote for him, he's, quote, the least insane Democrat. Oh, come on. Do you think we can do better than least insane? They are. Their candidates are weak and unimpressive. And I think we can really pull it off this year.

[Joe Getty]

I really believe that Steve Hilton is fired up. He's running for the governor of California. Steve, we will talk again soon. Go get him.

[Steve Hilton]

Absolutely. Great to be with you guys. See you later.

[Joe Getty]

All right, thanks. Bye. Bye.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know what he needs Rob Lowe now.

[Joe Getty]

Talking about Rob Lowe.

[Jack Armstrong]

So talking to Steve Hilton.

[Joe Getty]

When you win the. If you win the Rob Lowe vote, you've won the stage.

[Jack Armstrong]

What we're trying to do here is. And we like Steve Hilton. We used to have him on on a regular basis. What we're trying to do here. We did this with Arnold when he was on the. On the upswing, and we became, you know, ingrained enough with Arnold that we got invited to inauguration and I was sitting like six seats away from Tom Arnold. I mean, that's how great it was. Wow. Rob Lowe up close. That's how fantastic it was.

[Joe Getty]

So now breathing the rarefied air.

[Jack Armstrong]

Breathing the rarefied air of Tom Arnold and Rob Low. So if we get in with Steve Hilton early and he's got a chance of winning, then we get to go to inauguration again.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. I'm all about the people of California.

[Jack Armstrong]

Thank you so much to Tom Arnold. That's a once in a lifetime.

Yes,

[Steve Hilton]

Arnold.

[Joe Getty]

Good Lord.

[Jack Armstrong]

I was going to ask Steve Hilton, are you going to get Twisted Sister? Is that the name of the band saying we aren't going to take it?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, my God. No.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, you're not gonna blow up the boxes. We got the brooms. We're gonna sweep them out of office and those sorts of things.

[Joe Getty]

We're not gonna take it. Yeah, that's a. Beautiful days, wonderful days. We all miss them. Oh, my God. All right, let's stop this foolishness. Coming up, the corporate lingo everybody's growing to hate. We'll hit you with the top top answers when they asked corporate folks that question.

[Jack Armstrong]

And the great airport dress code debate is really heating up. We'll get into that in hour three. Stay tuned.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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as much as I don't want to, I suppose we should touch on Epstein in hour three. What Hillary says, she said behind closed doors and six hours of testimony yesterday.

[Joe Getty]

You go ahead. I won't. I'll leave the room. I hate it. Hate it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Bill Clinton is on the stand today.

[Joe Getty]

The Clintons.

[Jack Armstrong]

And trying to figure out exactly what's going on here.

[Joe Getty]

What is going on here? It's madness. That's what it is. Also coming up, gender bending madness. A blockbuster report making progress, but still a long way to go. What percentage of the population do you think uses jargon, trying to sound smart or buzzy?

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

And what percentage of us are really

[Jack Armstrong]

annoyed by it or could never say it without being ironic? Just, I'm just like. I'm not built to say any of those things. Seriously?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. If you're surrounded by it constantly, it seeps into your vocabulary. And I don't hate everybody who, for instance, says, I don't have the bandwidth for that.

[Jack Armstrong]

I actually do say bandwidth quite a bit because it's such a good description.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. I got to admit, I've strayed. I've crossed the line. I've used it.

[Jack Armstrong]

But things like circle back or put a pin in that. There's just a gazillion different ways to say that. And that's just signaling that you're part of a certain kind of crowd. No, I've got lots of successful friends who use all those terms because that's, that's how you signal that you're at the top of the heap of understanding that sort of stuff.

[Joe Getty]

I guess.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes.

[Joe Getty]

And I've known some cops and military guys who throw around jargon, and they should know you have no idea what that means. And they should also know. If they know, they know that and use it anyway. So you have to ask them so they can demonstrate their expertise. That's incredibly annoying. In jivy. Just say it. On the other hand, some people don't have the instinct for how what they are saying is being received. And I think if you're a reasonably good performer of the task of doing this job, you do have that instinct. Anyway, here's your top business jargon. Phrases that people have grown to hate, according to Wall Street Journal readers. Bandwidth. That's number one.

[Jack Armstrong]

Interesting.

[Joe Getty]

You're not a router. Just say you're busy, pal.

[Jack Armstrong]

I should say I should stop saying that. It seems like such a good description to me.

[Joe Getty]

But no, it's funny. I hate jargon, but I disagree. Especially given our job. I don't have the bandwidth to get into the scandal at the Department of the Interior, for instance. It's a pretty good metaphor. Anyway, I love this. This guy writes an email recently arrived from our IT staff alerting us to a quote, quote, zero day vulnerability on our devices. I don't know what. Immediate update.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know what that means, but I want to run from that phrase.

[Joe Getty]

And he writes, yikes. What exactly did that mean? Was it as bad as it sounds?

[Jack Armstrong]

Zero day vulnerability.

Ooh.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, no, no. Let's see. Change agent. Another phrase. This is how a former colleague describes himself on resumes. While that might be an attractive descriptor. Descriptor to a company looking for an unemotional outsider to change, AKA whack. Half of an organization conjures for me someone on the midway at the fair wearing a money belt with pennies, nickels, dimes, and quarters. A change agent.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm a change agent. You hire me, I'm a change agent. You'll notice office supplies starting to disappear.

[Joe Getty]

Circle back. A classic I asked someone to do some research, and the response was, I'll check it out and circle back to you. Why couldn't they just say, okay, I'll send you my results, or I'll follow up. Decision tree. As in, let's reach up into our decision tree. It's just stupid decisioning. It's a pointless invention to give gravitas to the notion that action or choices should follow. For example, this is a decisioning meeting.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, I've never heard of that one.

[Joe Getty]

Completely unnecessary.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm going to start using that. I'll say that to my kids tonight. This is a decisioning moment for us.

[Joe Getty]

What's a misplaced effort to sound more important rather than to do some real work and, I don't know, make a decision? Deep dive. Oh, really? Not investigate, study, discern, discover, find out about, look into. You had to go with deep dive. Did you all go to the same MBA program? Growth mindset hard stop, hit the ground running among others.

[Jack Armstrong]

I was in an MBA program in the 80s when that was the hot degree. And yeah, people threw that stuff around a lot.

[Joe Getty]

I don't hate the juice isn't worth the squeeze. Sorry I don't hate that one.

[Jack Armstrong]

We got more on the way.

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