The Main Goal

Summary

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Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "The Main Goal"

Date: June 8, 2026
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Armstrong & Getty tackle themes of media bias, the state of the middle class, hedonic adaptation, global conflict—especially in the Middle East—and the nature of public discontent as a political driver. The discussion weaves in their trademark blend of sarcasm, self-deprecation, direct social commentary, and listener engagement. Strong opinions are expressed on everything from economic perception to U.S. foreign policy and media irrelevance. The hour reflects on America's cultural, economic, and political anxieties, unpacking headlines with candor and skepticism.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Middle East Crisis and U.S./Israeli Policy

• Ceasefire Breakdown: The hosts open with distress about renewed violence in the Middle East, highlighting that “the ceasefire is over” ([03:03]).
• Iran, Hezbollah, and Israel: Joe Getty notes that Israeli PM Netanyahu faces immense pressure, not just domestically, but from active military threats:

  “How about he's under pressure and that there is a country with a major military sending rockets and ballistic missiles at his capital…” – Jack Armstrong ([03:31])

• U.S. Diplomatic Posture: Trump’s public statements and actions in his appeal to both Iran and Israel were critiqued as weak and odd:

  “You’re better off not saying anything if you’re not going to do anything because it makes you look really weak.” – Jack Armstrong ([27:27])

• Moral Relativism: The hosts bristle at the “both sides must stop shooting” rhetoric coming from U.S. leadership, arguing that the circumstances are not morally equivalent:

  “There is a moral relativism aspect to the president posting, ‘Israel and Iran must immediately stop shooting.’” – Jack Armstrong ([28:33])

• Sam Harris Quote: The show references Sam Harris’s recent argument that the path to peace is fundamentally asymmetric:

  “If the Palestinians simply stopped killing Jews and stopped building a culture that celebrates pointless murder and martyrdom…there could be a diverse, tolerant, and prosperous society…” – Jack Armstrong, quoting Harris ([31:57])

Timestamps:

• [03:03] – Ceasefire commentary
• [17:23], [24:08] – Trump at NBA game and Trump’s posture on Israel/Iran
• [26:48], [29:23], [31:38] – Deeper dives into the Iran/Israel dynamics
• [31:56] – Sam Harris’s Substack excerpt

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2. Economic Perception and the “Hedonic Treadmill”

• Perspective on Wealth: Jack highlights a New York Times piece suggesting that the disappearing middle class is a statistical mirage; most Americans have gotten wealthier, not poorer ([04:01]-[05:02]).
• Hedonic Adaptation: The idea that people are caught on a psychological treadmill—no matter how much they have, they want more:

  “No matter how much you have, you want more.” – Jack Armstrong ([05:02])

• Personal Admission: Joe Getty admits coveting his neighbor's nicer house despite his own comfort, likening that envy to lust:

  “I have a very nice house. I went to see my neighbor, who has a slightly nicer house, and I came home thinking, ‘this house sucks.’ Which is inexcusable.” ([05:35])

• Society as Economic Beings: The critique is that modern society’s value system is driven by material possession and consumption—pushed incessantly by media, business, and policy:

  “Virtually everything that assaults our eyes and ears...is designed to make us think we are entirely economic beings.” – Joe Getty ([06:07])

• Cultural Observation: The famous bumper sticker, “If you had enough, would you know it?” resonates:

  “If I were to go back 5, 10, however many years and tell that person, this is what you’ll have now, would they be like, really cool or would they be disappointed?” – Jack Armstrong ([08:10])

Timestamps:

• [03:53]-[09:32] – Hedonic treadmill, economic well-being, and personal stories
• [09:59] – Political uses of manufactured discontent

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3. Media Critique & The Relevance of Legacy News

• CBS News & Scott Pelley: The hosts dig into a “pompous” Scott Pelley 60 Minutes segment that purportedly demonstrated flagrant bias by focusing solely on right-wing threats against judges for most of the story before briefly mentioning those from the left:

  “It was so incredibly biased...it went on for 15 minutes about all the violent threats...before they ever mentioned…the whole Kavanaugh thing.” – Jack Armstrong ([13:13])

• Irrelevance of Network Media: Jack and Joe both point out that the old prestige media institutions are no longer central to public trust or influence:

  “He’s treating it like this is a hallowed institution that matters to so many lives. I wish major news outlets mattered more, but they don’t.” – Jack Armstrong ([11:18]) “An unintended eulogy for legacy media and a portrait of a man blubbering in seething in denial of his irrelevance as a cultural document.” – Joseph (listener email read by Joe Getty, [42:33])

Timestamps:

• [11:15] – On Scott Pelley and CBS’s relevance
• [13:13]-[14:09] – Breakdown of the 60 Minutes controversy
• [42:33] – Listener critique of Scott Pelley and the legacy media

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4. Politics, Leadership & Manufactured Discontent

• Leadership and Contentment: The hosts muse on why politicians can’t—or don’t—advocate for the public to be satisfied with “enough”:

  “Nobody’s going to get elected by saying, ‘Look...your kids got enough dolls. What do they need more dolls?’ That doesn’t land.” – Jack Armstrong ([10:16])

• Political Incentive: Discontent is necessary for political change, and thus is often manufactured:

  “The only way to drive political change is through discontent. And if you don’t have it, you manufacture it.” – Joe Getty ([09:47])

• Quote from Polybius (via Tim Sandifer): Societies cycle from tyranny to democracy, but when the memory of tyranny fades, self-interest and demagogues take over, leading back to tyranny:

  “The populace, having grown accustomed to feed at the expense of others, seeks out a demagogue who institutes the rule of violence, confiscating the property of the rich for redistribution...” – Joe Getty quoting Sandifer ([40:38])

Timestamps:

• [09:47]-[10:33] – Manufactured discontent and leadership culture
• [40:38] – Polybius quote on the cycle of societies

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5. Rapid Fire: News Items and Pop Culture

• News Rewind: With the help of Heather Myers, the hosts riff on major headlines—Trump at the Knicks game, lawsuits over UFC at the White House, China’s commercial brain chip, smartphone use and falling birth rates, and the ban on vuvuzelas at the FIFA World Cup ([17:23]-[21:53]).
• Media Bubble: The reaction to Trump “storming out” of an NBC interview being the lead story while war breaks out is ridiculed ([18:21]-[18:54]).
• Cultural Decline in LA Politics: The show laments the outcome of the Los Angeles mayoral race as illustrative of “the machine” subverting true democratic outcomes ([44:43]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Media Self-Importance:

  "He's treating it like this is a hallowed institution that matters to so many lives. I wish major news outlets mattered more, but they don't." – Jack Armstrong ([11:18])

• On Economic Dissatisfaction:

  "We're signing the paperwork for being miserable the rest of your life. Sign here. Date it. Initial the second page. For being miserable the rest of my life, no matter what happens." – Jack Armstrong ([05:50])

• On Israel and Iran:

  "If the Islamic fascist, Muslim fundamentalist nutjobs would stop fighting, there would be peace. If Israel stops fighting, they will be killed. Every single one of them." – Jack Armstrong ([32:44])

• On Political Change:

  "The only way to drive political change is through discontent. And if you don't have it, you manufacture it.” – Joe Getty ([09:47])

• On Evolution and Desire:

  "I suppose it's an evolutionary thing to keep us grinding and striving for more to keep us alive." – Jack Armstrong ([09:01])

• On Social Comparison:

  "Comparison is the thief of joy." – Joe Getty, reading listener mail ([42:31])

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On-Point Segments (with Timestamps)

• Hedonic Treadmill & Economic Growth: [03:53]-[09:32]
• Middle East Deep Dive / U.S.-Israel Policy: [24:08]-[35:22]
• Media/Fake Objectivity/Scott Pelley: [11:15]-[14:09], [42:33]
• Listener Mailbag & Societal Decline: [40:38]-[44:52]
• Sam Harris & the “One-Sided” Nature of Peace: [31:38]-[32:44]

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Tone & Delivery

The episode balances critical, sometimes cynical perspectives with humor and open acknowledgment of their personal biases. Armstrong and Getty, in their typical style, cut through media pretenses, express exasperation over societal trends, and discuss world events using vivid metaphors, direct listener feedback, and memorable personal anecdotes.

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Summary for the Uninitiated

If you’re new to Armstrong & Getty, this episode offers a textbook example of their approach: incisive, irreverent, and unafraid to tackle unpopular truths, all while keeping things moving with banter and relatability. Their central message cautions listeners against uncritical acceptance of media narratives and the endless chase for more—be it wealth, status, or political power. Instead, they urge cultivating awareness (“hedonic treadmill”) and a critical mind toward the forces that shape national discontent—whether from media, politicians, or geopolitical events.

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For Further Listening

• Next Up: A deeper analysis of Trump’s Meet the Press blow-up (to be played in next hour)
• Past Topics Referenced: Clinton/Arafat at Camp David, Israel/Palestine history, “If you had enough, would you know it?” life questions

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(Advertisements, repeated sponsor reads, and banter not bearing on substantive topic have been omitted.)

Transcript

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[Jack Armstrong]

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Jack Armst and Joe Getty, Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

And now, here's Armstrong and Getty jumping back on the hedonic treadmill. Live from Studio C C, a dimly lit room deep within the Bowels of the Armstrong and Getty communications compound. And kicking off a brand new week. We're toiling under the title of the

[Joe Getty]

show, the Art of the Debacle, more like. Or if you prefer to Scott Pelly in Hole keeps Digging.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I just saw Tre Yin on Fox say, let's not make any mistake about it. The ceasefire is over. I thought that was quite a statement since that's. The government's not saying that. But

[Joe Getty]

this has not got a good look to it. It's not got a good scent to it. The situation in the Middle east and Trump being mad at Bibi and Bibi saying he's under pressure from his own people. Now. I can't stop now. Come on. It's just, it's, it's not looking good.

[Jack Armstrong]

Bibi's under pressure from his own people. How about he's under pressure and that there is a country with a major military sending rockets and ballistic missiles at

[Joe Getty]

his capital and one of their proxies sending more missiles from the other end of the country.

[Jack Armstrong]

What are you supposed to do if somebody's sending missiles at your capital?

[Joe Getty]

What would we kill them?

[Jack Armstrong]

What would any other country do?

[Joe Getty]

Kill him dead?

[Jack Armstrong]

We'll have more on that in a little bit. If you haven't been following that. The hedonic treadmill I was just reading

[Joe Getty]

about, it's a good one of those.

[Jack Armstrong]

And now I just got clothes hanging from it. Hey, unfortunately, we all are using our hedonic treadmills. We seem to be. Because it seems to be human nature. Interesting opinion piece in the New York Times today by a couple of economists who, you know, I'm glad they're making this argument and especially in the New York Times that, hey, this whole disappearing middle class story. Yeah. It's because so many people have moved into the upper class or the upper, upper middle class. It's not because people have gotten poorer. Everybody has gotten richer, including poor people. So we'll get into some of the stats on that. But it talked about how the problem is. And then it gets into the. How we, we have such a bad mood about the economy. 74% of people think the economy is going in the bad, wrong direction, blah, blah, all these different sorts of things. Even though we're way richer than we were decades ago. The hedonic treadmill, no matter how much you have, you want more.

[Joe Getty]

Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

There's just no getting around that as a, as a, as an individual human, apparently. And as a society.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. It's one of those things. You just need to be Aware of and call upon a higher power or a system of beliefs or something to try to quell in yourself. Oh, it's like terrible a lust. If you're in a monogamous relationship, you feel it, but you've got to master it. You've got to be in charge. I told a story a few weeks ago. A couple weeks ago. It embarrassed me, but I wanted to admit it. I have a very nice house. I went to see my neighbor, who has a slightly nicer house, and I came home thinking, this house sucks. Which is. Which is inexcusable.

[Jack Armstrong]

It is.

[Joe Getty]

But I was aware of the impulse. It was like sexual lust. And I thought, all right, you've got to be better than that.

[Jack Armstrong]

It really is. Well, yeah. Human beings have to be better than that or you're just. We're signing the paperwork. For being miserable the rest of your life. Sign here. Date it. Initial the second page. For being miserable the rest of my life. No matter what happens.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Sign here. Here, here. Yeah. I can't remember. I wish I'd kept a diary through my life. I'm a man who craves leisure. Anyway, I don't remember the first time it dawned on me that virtually everything that assaults our eyes and ears, say, except for friends and family, and that sort of thing is designed to make us think we are entirely economic beings. The only significance we have is as a buyer and. Or seller of goods and services. That's a horrible way to approach your life, I'd say.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or a possessor of them, certainly.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Just. Just possessing this item.

[Joe Getty]

Sure. Yeah, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then you're.

[Joe Getty]

The only thing that matters is.

[Jack Armstrong]

Is.

[Joe Getty]

Is the coming and goings of money and goods and the rest of it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. So you possess various things and you're assaulted, as you said, with. With ads on why you need a newer, better one or. Or you're selling off this one to get a newer, better one or whatever. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Another example of it might be. And this might have been when it clicked in my head, reading about various statistics about women in the workpl and that sort of thing. And the fact that journalism viewed their economic. Their earning potential and their economic independence. If their. Their man flaked on him or whatever, weighed those is incredibly important. And the spiritual aspects of motherhood were a throwaway. I mean, almost sneered at. The only things that actually count is you're breathing your last. Were viewed as like a used Kleenex you'd throw in the garbage. And I thought, wow, that's the way a lot of, you know, media and intelligence, you know, look at being a human being. And I'd like to reject it. I'm trying to reject it.

[Jack Armstrong]

It'd be nice if we could have,

[Joe Getty]

but it's hard in this sucky, sucky house of mine. Oh, I kidding.

[Jack Armstrong]

I, I mentioned this. God dang it. We've been doing this show for a long time, and this was decades ago. Might have been 25 years ago. I remember saying on, on this show, I was behind a car that had a bumper sticker that said, if you had enough, would you know it. And it blew me away. I mean, it stuck in my head. It really, really had an effect on me because it's, it's that, you know, it's that mindset of, whoa, wait a second. If I were to go back 5, 10, however many years and tell that person, this is what you'll have now, would they be, like, really cool or would they be disappointed? Oh, that sounds miserable.

[Joe Getty]

Is there anybody else with any more than that? That's what I need to know. Well, that's why it's a hedonic treadmill and not like a nice walk to the hedonic woods for when you get there. Everything's great, it's fabulous. You're super happy you're there. No, it's a treadmill.

[Jack Armstrong]

I suppose it's an evolutionary thing to keep us grinding and striving for more to keep us alive. The people that. People that continued to strive had enough to survive bad times or whatever, but that was like, you know, completely different world of, of luxury and most people looking at charts, and we'll get to them later. Very few people are starving to death. I mean, so once you get above starving to death and having a roof over your head, everything after that's kind of gravy.

[Joe Getty]

Delicious, delicious gravy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. Anyway, we'll talk about that. Good for the New York Times printing that, that piece by a couple economists saying, look, this whole disappearing middle class inequality thing is just not true. And here's the charts. So we'll talk about that later.

[Joe Getty]

The only way to drive political change is through discontent. And if you don't have it, you manufacture it. I know, you know, disregard contempt or, well, envy.

[Jack Armstrong]

In short, I almost said, I wish we could have leadership that could explain this to us, but we shouldn't be looking to political leadership for this sort of message, really. Anyway, in our lives, yes, we do have leadership.

[Joe Getty]

He was a carpenter in, in Israel way back in the day. It's speaking for, you know, myself, but

[Jack Armstrong]

nobody's going to get elected by saying, look you will. Trump tried it with you. Your kids got enough dolls. What do they need? More dolls? That doesn't land.

[Joe Getty]

No, no. Not the most approachable salesman for that philosophy, especially given his lifestyle.

[Jack Armstrong]

No kidding.

[Joe Getty]

Hey, how much gold plate do you need?

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Mark, we can save this. It's possible to land this plane. But right now, CBS News, in my view, is on fire.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, boy.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's out of touch in so many ways, including his belief that CBS News is still a big deal. I mean, he's, he's treating it like this is a hallowed institution that matters to so many lives. I wish major news outlets mattered more, but they don't. They just don't. There's like, there's like eight influencers out there who, who, you know, try on. Who open boxes for on an Instagram feed. He'll get as many viewers as you do. Scott Pelley, back when you had a job, boy.

[Joe Getty]

And I honestly think, I mean, is he just naturally slow talker or does he believe. Because in that clip it just reeked of. I believe everyone is hanging on my

[Jack Armstrong]

yes, every yes

[Joe Getty]

word.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, we're not. Well, and then. So we don't have time to get into this. We'll get into it later this hour. But if you didn't watch 60 Minutes last night, it was amazing. It was as if they designed it to have people attack them. Story one. I started watching it and I thought, whoa, you can't actually be doing this. The week of this controversy. You can't actually be doing this with your lead story. Are you. And they did. And it just kept going and going and going. And I was like, wow, what a, what a mistake. They did one of their classic 60 Minute stories and I'm a big 60 Minutes fan, but where it was so incredibly biased. I mean, it was just outlandish. It was all about violent threats against judges. And it went on for 15 minutes about all the violent threats, nasty things Republicans have said about judges that have put judges in fear before they ever mentioned. And it really looked to me that they tacked it in on the end because somebody said we probably ought to mention the whole Kavanaugh thing. 15 minutes in they mentioned any statements by Democrats about Republican judges of the Supreme Court.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

They acted like it was completely a one sided story, which is just ridiculous.

[Joe Getty]

Oh my God.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I thought, I can't believe you're doing this. The very week that this story exploded.

[Joe Getty]

Now, I don't want to get too far into the weeds, but aren't they encore presentations this time of year?

[Jack Armstrong]

Doesn't matter. I can't believe they ran that.

[Joe Getty]

Is it, is it the old double reverse Barry Weiss saying, oh, you're not biased. Look at this.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

They freshen up.

[Jack Armstrong]

They freshen up their stories even in the summer. I don't know. Anyway, we'll talk more about that later. And Scott Pelly's interview where he is just, I mean, pompous, oozing out of his orify. I almost said one specific orifice.

[Joe Getty]

Keep it general. Keep it vague.

[Jack Armstrong]

General orifice. We'll, we'll get to our headlines next and more news of the day. Thanks for joining us.

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Trump is going to game three Nick spurs tonight at Madison Square Garden and Knicks are up two nothing winning the first two on the road, which statistically very unlikely. They aren't going to win a national the NBA title, but Trump being there could be that could be quite the newsmaker.

[Joe Getty]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

For a variety of reasons. The fact that Manhattan is such a blue city to start with. But the New York fans were really, really enjoying these street parties outside of Madison Square Garden. Square Garden. They've been huge the first two games and they aren't allowed tonight because Trump's going to be there for security reasons. So you got all the people that would have been partying in the street. Tens of thousands ruined their party. So there's all kinds of people that are unhappy that he's showing up.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, they're going to be some booze and chance and God knows what else. It'll be exciting one way or the other. Hey, let's figure out who's reporting what. It's the lead story with Heather Myers. Heather, take it away.

[Heather Myers]

Joe and Jack, good morning. Happy Monday. Let's find out how the networks are covering the news, starting with this. Cnn. Trump's NBC interview ends abruptly. Same story from the LA Times. President Trump storms off NBC interview after claiming California elections were rigged. And from Ms. Now Trump explodes at Meet the Press host saying, you're either crooked or you're stupid.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now, we're gonna play those clips and it's interesting, but the fact that that has led so many newscasts when the war is back on in the Middle east is ridiculous.

[Joe Getty]

Ridiculous.

[Heather Myers]

Speaking of the war in the Middle east, from CBS News, Iran says attacks halted as Trump tells Tehran and Israel to stop shooting.

[Jack Armstrong]

I was looking at our friend Ian Bremmer's feed last night. He said the fact that a US President told Israel to not fight back when their capital is under attack is really quite amazing.

[Joe Getty]

It's insane. Israel should not stop shooting. They should do exactly the opposite and beat Hezbollah once and for good.

[Heather Myers]

All right, ABC News this morning. Nithya Raman overtakes Spencer Pratt in Los Angeles mayoral race.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, Spencer Pratt is not going to make the final two. That is just depressing. More on that later.

[Heather Myers]

ACLA US Attorney accuses California blocking voter roll audit amid legal battle. From cnn, Scott Pelly speaks. CBS News is on fire and Barry Weiss should be removed.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

We will bring you some unintentionally hilarious highlights of that interview as well.

[Jack Armstrong]

Scott Pelly saying there's a thumb on the scale for one side. Are you effing kidding me?

[Joe Getty]

That's how bubbly, bubbly bubble he is.

[Heather Myers]

From Newsmax, Trump on warsh. I want him to do whatever he wants on rape.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, right, yes. Interest rates. Yeah. Okay. We'll wait and see.

[Heather Myers]

From the Associated Press. Lawsuit seeks to stop the UFC fight on the White House south lawn for Trump's birthday.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why? What's the lawsuit about?

[Heather Myers]

They're saying that you can't have an event like this on federal parkland.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right. So you could have the, the trans chicks dancing around and doing a drag show on the White House salon for Biden. But you can't have the UFC fight. I don't like either one, particularly on the White House lawn.

[Joe Getty]

But. Well, and Obama having various performances and rappers and musicians and God knows what else. It's fine. Stop it.

[Heather Myers]

There's always a lawsuit. Things like this happen. We'll see how that one Works out all right. From the New York Post, China beats Elon Musk to launch the world's first commercial brain chip.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, I don't know that I got to look into that story.

[Heather Myers]

Yeah, that one's interesting. It's a person who was paralyzed from the neck down, and that brain chip allowed him to have some use of his arms and fingers. So that's exactly what Elon's been trying to do. From euronews.com how smartphone use is linked to falling birth rates, which is from 2007 when the smartphones first came out. Birth rate among girls ages 15 to 19 fell 71% and among women ages 20 to 24 fell by 43%.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Zap that that story along to us. Love to look more deeply into that.

[Heather Myers]

And for Reuters, FIFA bands vuvuzelas from World cup stadiums.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I like them. All right, thanks, Heather. Appreciate it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well done. Yeah, we'll dig deep into some of those stories coming up. Hope you can stay here. And we got a lot for you today. A lot happened over the weekend.

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wrestling.com Looks like these sides are listening to President Trump. Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps just announced they are halting attacks against Israel but maintain the ability to fire again if the Israelis target Hezbollah in Lebanon. This is a significant development and an indication we may be looking at an off ramp here after. After a whirlwind 24 hours across the region, I was speaking with President Trump as these missiles were soaring through the skies of this country. Getting his initial reaction. And the president told me what I would suggest to Iran. You shot your missiles. That's enough. Get back to the table and make a deal.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, well, that's tree angst of Fox. So over the weekend he got. Do you think Hezbollah does anything without Iran's okay?

[Joe Getty]

I, I don't know the proper number, but I'd say Iran has 83% control, something like that. Occasionally, you know, there are miscommunications, that sort of thing, but it's pretty controlled.

[Jack Armstrong]

I would certainly think that if they needed them to stop, they'd have the control to say no more.

[Joe Getty]

Agreed.

[Jack Armstrong]

100 control of that, I would guess. So Hezbollah's firing into Israel. Iran fires into Israel, including missiles and rockets and all kinds of stuff at the capital, Tel Aviv, which is just amazing. I mean, like a flurry of these things, a barrage. What do you suppose they were hoping to accomplish?

[Joe Getty]

I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

Just.

[Joe Getty]

It could be two, three layers deep. Provoke Israel into responding more harshly to get Trump to pissed at BB Netanyahu because he perceives Netanyahu is denying him the great deal that would solidify his reputation as the world's greatest deal maker. I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then trying to blow up some

[Joe Getty]

Jews is the, you know, the kind of the first layer of analysis.

[Jack Armstrong]

And sure, I assume there's more strategy than just trying to blow up some Jews.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Although that is their main goal in life. Yeah. Never forget that. They get up every morning with, yeah, another day killing the Jews. That's what I'm up to. I was talking to my son Henry about that yesterday on why it would be in a unique situation for Iran to have the bomb because he brought up. What about the crazy person in North Korea? He is a crazy person, but he's not crazy in the way of he thinks things would be better if he was dead. He's not that kind of crazy. Like, the leadership of Iran quite possibly is where they feel like the world would be better if they were dead, as long as they, you know, bring about the end of Israel.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Just as quick aside, I don't even know that I would agree that Kim Jong Un is crazy. I think he's, he views the world very differently than we do. But I was just reading about how North Korea, at least, you know, Pyongyang in the elite class, are experiencing a, an economic surge. It's doing really, really well, having sold a bunch of arms and men to Russia. And China's really interested in enhancing that relationship. So they're doing pretty well for a starving hermit kingdom. Just don't live in the countryside or you might starve. Anyway, back to Iran.

[Jack Armstrong]

I wanted to find the Donald Trump. So Donald Trump in the middle of the night posted this on Truth Social Israel and Iran must immediately stop shooting President Donald J. Trump. I really feel like that's got the look of the parent in the aisle of the grocery store who says, you stop it right now. And they keep going and you can't, can't or don't do anything else. You're better off not saying anything if you're not going to do anything because it makes you look really weak.

[Joe Getty]

Well, and I could certainly argue, and I am biased between Islamo fascism and our longtime allies in Israel, but it also has the view of the feel of like a progressive who will punch you in the face, then say nonviolence. Nonviolence. Not let's not escalate. Yeah, you got your licks in and now all of a sudden you're a good boy. Like Iran says it's halting Israel attacks after Trump says both sides should stop shooting. So the freaking IRGC is trying to play to Trump and say, yes, sir, we, we agree, it's time to bargain, it's time to talk.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. There is a moral relativism aspect to the president posting Israel and Iran must immediately stop shooting. Obviously, we're at war with one of these countries and an ally of the other that we give billions of dollars in military aid to. So to put them both together is just kind of odd.

[Joe Getty]

Well, not only that, but Israel hasn't vowed to wipe out every Lebanese person on Earth if it takes a thousand years.

[Jack Armstrong]

Come on. You know, maybe I'll get to that. Great post over the weekend by Sam Harris, the podcaster, if you know him, he's a well known atheist, but he really, really hates Islamo fascism. Got a statement on that we'll get to a little later. Can, can you play that? I forget what number it was. The one about the Houthis taking over. I hadn't even heard this angle. 53 there for us. Handsome.

[News Reporter]

But there was an interesting development earlier today when the Iran backed Houthis in Yemen got involved in the fight because not only did they launch two ballistic missiles toward Israel, the Houthis announced that they were closing the gateway to the Red Sea indefinitely. And it is known as Bab El Mandab, which translates broadly to the Gateway of Tears. And that is what it is referred to in the region because around 12% of the world's shipping actually passes there through the Red Sea. And so we're now looking at two international shipping lanes and more levers that the Iranians are trying to pull. Because they're backed in a corner, they don't have much leverage at the negotiating table.

[Jack Armstrong]

So that seems like a problem.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Then you've got this. Trump, who's doing lots of interviews, I guess, told the Financial Times that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will have to accept any ceasefire deal that the U.S. brokers because, quote, he doesn't call the shots. He won't have any choice. I call the shots. I call all the shots. He doesn't call the shots.

[Jack Armstrong]

Trump said, yeah, Axios and others are reporting that. I don't, I don't know exactly what that's all about. Again, I think that since, since you don't actually call those shots and it might be very clear like today that you don't have any control over that. I just, I just think that makes you look weaker rather than stronger. I guess he's hoping that him saying that, Trump's hoping that saying it out loud will lead to them, Israel doing what he said. But when you've got rockets, like I said earlier, when you're being, your capital is being shot at, what are you supposed to do? Just absorb it and hope the Iron Dome holds and not fight back?

[Joe Getty]

I was just gonna say the view within Israel and there's a great deal of pressure because, you know, with all due respect, they're thinking to the greater process and the regional bias and Trump wanting to make a deal with Iran, they're shooting at us, we're gonna shoot back. And not only that, we're gonna beat them. They're doing exactly what the United States would do. We're not gonna. Just barely, barely, you know, come to a very tense ceasefire. These guys have been vowing to wipe us out forever. We're on the front foot. We're gonna crush them. That's precisely what they have to do. God, history is clear in this regard. Oi.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I mentioned Sam Harris wrote a piece over the weekend for Substack. If the Palestinians laid down their arms, there would be peace. There could be a two state solution. There could even be a one state solution. It wouldn't matter. This is for the crowd that's out there waving the Palestinian flag through all of these things all the time.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

If the Palestinians simply stopped killing Jews and stopped building a culture that celebrates pointless murder and martyrdom at its highest values, there could be a diverse, tolerant and prosperous society between the Jordan river and the Mediterranean Sea. There could have been one 80 years ago. But if the Israelis laid down their weapons, there would be a genocide. This was Obviously true on October 7, 2023. And for anyone who's been paying attention, it has been true on every other day since the founding of the State of Israel. This is an oft repeated refrain, but that's the difference between the two sides. If the Islamic fascist, Muslim fundamentalist nutjobs would stop fighting, there would be peace. If Israel stops fighting, they will be killed. Every single one of them.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Right. I think the classic saying is if the. It used to be the Arabs, but if the Islamo fascists laid down their arms, there would be no war. If Israel laid down its arms, there would be no Israel. To that point. This is super interesting. Everybody seen, I think, or should have the Bill Clinton clip where he describes how Yasser Arafat rejected a great peace offer at Camp David, which would have given the Palestinian state 96% of the west bank land swaps. Capital in East Jerusalem. Clinton says Arafat lied to him, that the Palestinian leadership never actually wanted a two state solution. They wanted to destroy Israel. We've played that clip before. Maybe we can grab it and play it later tomorrow, et cetera. And once in a while you have like an Israel hater say, well, Clinton's biased, he's pro Israel, blah, blah, blah. And the interesting part of this is this Twitter account has this video of former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, who's a major Arab leader who is directly involved in negotiations. He says exactly the same thing from the Arab side. He talks about the Mena House conference in Cairo as well as the Camp David negotiations in 1978. All failed because the Palestinians repeatedly rejecting any offer. The Oslo accords were signed, but Because Hamas and the Palestinian and Islamic Jihad were not involved, they derailed the accords any chance for peace by initiating four years of suicide attacks in Israel. Then came the second Camp David negotiations in 2000, which Arafat agreed to, then rejected, and instead initiating his second intifada. And Mubarak explains in this video how the Palestinians refused to even participate in the Mena House Conference in 1977, describes repeated opportunities they were given, and he goes into great details. The Israelis were willing to negotiate on difficult issues like who would control security. The Palestinians, according to Mubarak, kept saying no and wasting chance after chance. He speaks with clear frustration about how for decades the Palestinian side has rejected peace initiative initiatives and realistic compromises. They don't want a two state solution. They want all the Jews to die.

[Jack Armstrong]

And so does Iran, and so does

[Joe Getty]

Hezbollah and all of Iran's proxies.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I don't know where that leaves us. I, I'm, you know, I'm a super hawk on this. I think we should just blast the hell out of Iranian military until they submit. I think that's the, the only way out of this situation. But I don't think that's what we're gonna do. I don't think that's what we're gonna do. I would be surprised if that's what we do.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Which means some sort of negotiation where they get money or continue to try to get a nuke or get to charge tolls in the, in the, in the straight where they didn't before or something.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. This is a very frustrating time for me because the administration is doing a lot of things that I think are absolutely great. The cracking down on fraud and reforming welfare. They're actually diminishing numbers of people on food stamps because of the you've got to work or volunteer requirements. There are a lot of good things happening, a lot of good directions, academia, school reform, blah, blah, blah. But boy, as I've said now for several months, the whole thing, the administration has a feel of something that's crumbling, that's falling apart, that's flailing. We'll see if you agree, though. The Welker Trump interview was not a good look.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. So we'll get to that. To kick off, hour two, he walked out of an interview on Meet the Press. But one of the things during the interview earlier, they got him all riled up was her pressing him on the, you know, during your campaign, you kept saying no more wars, no more wars,

[Joe Getty]

which is all about.

[Jack Armstrong]

I suppose that's an interesting side conversation to me. I wish Trump would do a better job of turning it around to what do you want to do? They're trying to get a nuclear weapon. Are you okay with Iran getting a nuclear weapon? I'm not. So regardless what I said on the campaign trail, we found out they're this close to a nuclear weapon. I got to stop it. I wish he was better at pivoting to that, because that is the question. The question is not what the price of gas is or what campaign promises were or anything else, really. It's are you okay with Iran getting a nuclear weapon?

[Joe Getty]

Or let me think about this for 10 seconds there. I'm ready. I campaigned on no unnecessary or unnecessarily long wars. This is a necessary war and it will be as short as humanly possible. But it has to happen. That's the difference. Kristen, what's your next question?

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, so he gets, he, he's got no ground to stand on arguing about the 2020 election being stolen in my mind. And that's the thing that got him so mad that he stood up and stormed out of the interview. So we'll play that for you later. It's exciting stuff. We got Mailbag on the way next. Stay here.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

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Don't miss the action of TNA Thursday Night Impact every week on AMC. For showtimes and more information, visit TNA wrestling.com yeah, the Houthis have just announced an official blockade of all maritime traffic by Israeli vessels, so that's not gonna stand. We'll see where that goes over the next several hours.

[Joe Getty]

All right, here's your freedom loving quote of the day. It's a lengthy one quoting from Tim Sandifer's fabulous, fabulous book proclaiming liberties, describing Thomas, the formation of Thomas Jefferson's political philosophy and that he was a big fan of the historian, the ancient Greek historian, Polybius, I guess he was Roman, lived a century before Caesar. He argued that societies go through a cycle. This will sound familiar, from freedom to tyranny that he called an acyclosis. Pointing to the violent experiences of the ancient Greek democracies. Blah, blah blah, constant civil war, the haves, haves, nots. Polybius argued that the pattern begins when the people, exhausted by tyranny, overthrow their rulers and remembering with terror the injustices they suffered, refused to select a new king, but established a democracy instead. This lasts quote as long as some of those who survive. I'm sorry. As long as some of those survive who experience the evils of the oligarchical dominion. But in the next generation, people forget what tyranny was like and lose their appreciation for freedom. They begin to lust for power instead. And the easiest way to obtain power is to give people money, either their own or money seized through taxes or foreign conquest. This practice ultimately wrecks the democracy because the populace, having grown accustomed to feed at the expense of others, seeks out a demagogue who institutes the rule of violence, confiscating the property of the rich for redistribution to his own supporters. That causes people to, quote, degenerate again into perfect savages and find once more a master and a monarch to control it all to keep the scam going. Human nature does not change. Mailbag, Drop us a note. Mail back@armstrong yeti.com Paul writes. This sums up your conversation this morning. Comparison is the thief of joy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Treadmill.

[Joe Getty]

Don't buy it, go with a peloton instead. How about this from Joseph. Joseph Scott Pelley's New York Times interview which we're going to play you highlights of is an unintended eulogy for legacy media and a portrait of a man blubbering in seething in denial of his irrelevance as a cultural document. It's fascinating.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, he's right about. He's wrong on two things. One, that they were an unbiased news organization and two, that it matters so much. His belief that CBS News matters so

[Joe Getty]

much at this point. Wow. Yeah, yeah. Elevated self importance. The Scotty Boy. You were an alternative, just like we're an alternative. There's no indispensable. The graveyards are full of people who thought they were irreplaceable. Moving along in America. In America, yes. What else am I talking about? In Portugal. America? Yes, you moron. Anyway, on the question of whether Graham Platner is handsome or not, he's a calm you Nazi woman kick abusing something ne' er do well Trust fund or

[Jack Armstrong]

Varian or a US Senator.

[Joe Getty]

Is he God, he is running for the Senate or is he handsome or not? Diane writes, guys, you are out of your minds if you think women are attracted that disgusting piece of protoplasm. He has zero appeal to anyone who's not drunk on their arse. That's rn. Rn Diane. It's funny I say drunk off their ass, but drunk on their. What do you say?

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't say either. I've never said either in my life. But if I were going to say one, I would say off.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, okay, let's see. DH in San Diego, quick look at the LA election results are baffling. Karen Bass was at 35% on election night. 63 votes. 63% of votes counted and has remained there till today with 83% counted and now the two lefties are way ahead. Did the ballot harvesters go into overtime after seeing Pratt winning? There's something stinking in la, and it's not just El Segundo. Unfair shot at El Segundo.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think it's worse than that National Reviews headline the Machine Won. That's the that's the reality, I think. And that's worse than if they stole it.

[Joe Getty]

The fact that they can control politics that way.

[Jack Armstrong]

We got a lot more on that story and others. Yeah, he ain't gonna make it. The the star of the election is not gonna make it into the final round.

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