The Scent Of A Loser

Summary

Podcast Summary: Armstrong & Getty On Demand Episode: The Scent Of A Loser
Release Date: July 31, 2025
Host/Authors: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty
Platform: iHeartPodcasts

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1. Introduction and Initial Topics (00:00 – 01:28)

The episode begins with a promotional advertisement by Joe Getty for WashablesOfAs.com, highlighting their machine-washable sofas starting at $699. Shortly after, Katie Green broadcasts live from the Abraham Lincoln radio studio, introducing the hosts, Jack Armstrong and herself, Katie Green.

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2. Kamala Harris's Political Maneuvers (01:28 – 07:45)

Breaking News: Kamala Harris Not Running for Governor

Katie Green announces that former Vice President Kamala Harris has decided not to run for the governorship of California next year. Initially considering the position, Harris's withdrawal raises questions about her future political ambitions. Notably, insiders suggest that this decision keeps the door open for a potential presidential run in 2028.

• Katie Green [01:28]: "Former Vice President Kamala Harris announcing she will not run for governor of California next year."

Discussion on Harris's Influence and Future Plans

Jack Armstrong sarcastically comments on the Democratic Party's selection process, implying that Harris could have easily been the Democratic nominee had she chosen to run.

• Jack Armstrong [02:04]: "The only one still El Diablo is in the details... she probably would have gotten that nod."

Katie Green references a New York Times report indicating Harris plans to form an organization to fundraise and support political activities, hinting at her preparation for a larger political role.

• Katie Green [02:54]: "Kamala Harris... expects to begin talking with podcast hosts and journalists beginning after Labor Day."

Harris's Book Launch

Kamala Harris promotes her new book, “107 Days,” detailing her short presidential campaign. The hosts critique Harris's media presence and question the authenticity and depth of her book.

• Kamala Harris [06:19]: "Since leaving office, I've spent a lot of time reflecting on those days... That is this book, 107 Days."

• Katie Green [07:45]: "Everybody writes a book if they're running for president because it gives the interviewers a reason to have you on."

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3. The Democratic Field for 2028 (07:45 – 13:22)

Assessment of Democratic Candidates

Jack Armstrong and Katie Green delve into the current landscape of potential Democratic candidates for the 2028 presidential race. Recent polls show a fragmented field with no single prominent figure leading decisively.

• Katie Green [10:52]: "They always end up not being the nominee, but there's some name out there... Undecided leads the field by quite a bit for the Democrats."

Pete Boot leads the potential candidates with 16%, closely followed by Kamala Harris at 13% and Governor Gavin Newsom at 12%, all within the margin of error.

• Katie Green [11:10]: "Undecided leads the field by 23. So you got Pete at 16, Kamala right behind him at 13..."

Skepticism About Harris's Prospects

Both hosts express skepticism about Kamala Harris securing the nomination, predicting her campaign might falter due to perceived weaknesses.

• Jack Armstrong [12:30]: "Bill Clinton-esque character, a moderate, well-spoken governor of some state."

• Katie Green [12:37]: "It's not a chance. It's gonna be Kamala Harris."

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4. Listener Mailbag and Party Critiques (15:04 – 19:01)

Listener Feedback on Democratic History

A listener named Andy discusses the historical context of the Democratic Party, asserting that it has perpetually held racist policies. He references an interview with the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, highlighting controversial aspects of past Democratic stances.

• Andy [16:43]: "The big proponents of eugenics were the progressives of the early 20th century... Harris vs McCray in 1980..."

Critique of Modern Democratic Policies

Katie Green criticizes Harris for lacking distinct policy positions, unlike former President Donald Trump, who consistently emphasized issues like immigration.

• Katie Green [09:01]: "She doesn't have a hook like a specific topic, an issue I guess is what you call them. She doesn't have an issue."

Discussion on Democratic Candidate Viability

The hosts debate the viability of current Democratic candidates, questioning the party's direction and leadership.

• Jack Armstrong [09:06]: "She may be, as Sid Rosenberg said on our show at the convention, stupid might be the problem."

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5. Artificial Intelligence and ChatGPT (19:01 – 33:40)

AI's Impact on Employment and Economy

Katie Green and Jack Armstrong discuss the pervasive influence of AI, referencing a Pew Research Center survey where two-thirds of U.S. adults believe AI will reduce jobs in the next two decades. They debate the optimistic projections from AI proponents about significant GDP growth and the feasibility of a guaranteed basic income.

• Katie Green [25:33]: "A terrifying new drug trend is sweeping our streets... It's called 7 hydroxy, but some are calling it gas station heroin."

• Jack Armstrong [26:51]: "Say that AI is going to propel the global economy into extreme levels of economic growth... How will all of that enormous economic activity be funneled to me, the jobless poet?"

AI in Everyday Applications

The hosts recount personal experiences with AI tools like ChatGPT, highlighting both its utility and potential pitfalls. Jack shares a listener's negative experience with a chatbot that over-affirmed and fabricated statistics, raising concerns about AI's role in reinforcing biases.

• Jack Armstrong [30:56]: "I fed it random scenarios... It would insist I was special and no one else was asking the questions I was asking."

The Future of Information and AI

They explore the consequences of AI providing information directly, potentially rendering traditional content sites obsolete due to diminished ad revenue.

• Katie Green [32:08]: "AA problem... nobody's gonna create these sites anymore because there's no clicks or money to be made."

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6. Drug Trends and Public Health (20:27 – 24:56)

Introduction to 7 Hydroxy and Nitazines

Katie Green highlights a new drug threat, "7 Hydroxy," likened to "gas station heroin," which is easily accessible over the counter. The discussion underscores the dangers of such substances, including their high addiction potential and the emerging threat of nitazines, even more potent than fentanyl.

• Katie Green [20:27]: "A terrifying new drug trend is sweeping our streets... It's called 7 hydroxy, but some are calling it gas station heroin."

• Jack Armstrong [23:35]: "And how in the hell is that available at the gas station?"

Public Health Concerns

The hosts emphasize the urgent need for regulatory measures to curb the availability of these potent synthetic opioids and prevent further addiction crises.

• Katie Green [22:07]: "You're addicted the first time you try it. That's horrifying."

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7. Space Exploration and Lunar Colonization (34:39 – 38:58)

Donald Trump's Moon Ambitions

Sean Duffy's promotional message outlines plans to return to the moon under Donald Trump's leadership, with intentions to establish a base camp and eventually proceed to Mars.

• Sean Duffy [34:39]: "Start of the year, we are going to go back to the moon... We're going to land back on the moon... and set up our base camp."

Host Commentary on Space Conquest

Jack Armstrong and Katie Green critique the militaristic and colonial mindset behind the lunar plans, drawing parallels to Earth's historical conquests and expressing concerns over potential conflicts with other nations, particularly China.

• Jack Armstrong [35:00]: "They're going to respect a flag planting."

• Katie Green [35:06]: "That's settler colonialism."

Speculations on Lunar Rivalries

The hosts speculate on possible confrontations over lunar territory, envisioning scenarios where competing nations might dispute or contest flag plantings, thereby igniting "Moon Wars."

• Katie Green [37:17]: "Inevitable. It's the initial step and we'll just... we're just going to extend the Monroe Doctrine to the moon."

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8. Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts (38:08 – 40:34)

Final Thoughts from the Team

In the concluding segments, the hosts and their technical director, Michael, share humorous and speculative thoughts about the discussed topics, including the absurdity of flag-planting on the moon and the potential for international disputes in space.

• Michael [38:20]: "My new plan is to print out a bunch of flags, and when I want something, I'm going to stake my flag in it."

• Katie Green [38:35]: "Thought for us... national humiliation."

Sign-Off

The episode wraps up with promotions for their website, merchandise, and an invitation for listeners to engage via mailbags. The final moments include a light-hearted exchange about macaque monkeys and a humorous sign-off.

• Jack Armstrong [39:34]: "Go To Armstrong and getty.com for the hot links for the Katie's corner."

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Notable Quotes

• Jack Armstrong [07:01]: "If I were a Democratic candidate, I'd barricade myself in my house and threaten suicide instead of letting her on the stage with me."

• Katie Green [09:01]: "She doesn't have a hook like a specific topic, an issue I guess is what you call them. She doesn't have an issue."

• Kamala Harris [06:19]: "Sometimes the fight takes a while, but I remain full of hope and I remain clear-eyed."

• Jack Armstrong [26:51]: "Say that AI is going to propel the global economy into extreme levels of economic growth believing that GDP growth could explode to... which is a hilariously stupid idea."

• Katie Green [32:08]: "AA problem... nobody's gonna create these sites anymore because there's no clicks or money to be made."

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Conclusion

In "The Scent Of A Loser," Armstrong & Getty delve into the intricacies of Kamala Harris's political trajectory, critique the future landscape of the Democratic Party, explore the profound implications of AI on society and the economy, discuss alarming new drug trends, and speculate on the militarization of space exploration. Throughout the episode, the hosts blend sharp political commentary with humor, offering listeners a comprehensive and engaging analysis of contemporary issues.

Transcript

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Katie Green]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center.

[Joe Getty]

Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

[Katie Green]

Former Vice President Kamala Harris announcing she will not run for governor of California next year. Harris says she gave serious thought to running for governor of her home state. She now says she will not run. Those close to Harris tonight reportedly saying this decision does now leave open the potential for another presidential run in 2028. That's hilarious. Before we get to that breaking news, we have got a tariff deal done with Mexico, our biggest trading partner. Haven't seen the details, but there you go as August 1st, the deadline is hitting tomorrow.

[Jack Armstrong]

The only one still El Diablo is in the details. Jack, back to you.

[Katie Green]

Congratulations on your fourth grade level knowledge of Spanish at best. Anyway, back to the dunder page. Kamala Harris.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes.

[Katie Green]

So first thing I thought when I heard she's not running for governor of California, which is a little surprising to me because I think she could win or she'd have been certainly a formidable force.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh yeah. There's a brief discussion among the union goons who they will anoint, who will be their most compliant prostitute. And whoever answers that call, Gavin will will be the appointed Democratic governor. And she probably would have gotten that nod. Yeah.

[Katie Green]

And that's 26 is the governor race for California. 28 the presidential race, obviously. And there had been talk that she' thinking about that now it seems completely clear. This is from the New York Times. Today she's expected to form an organization shortly that would allow her to raise funds and pay for travel and political. Political activities.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ah.

[Katie Green]

Once you do that, everything is paid for. So all your flights, your hotels, your meals, your car, everything you do is paid for by somebody else. Once you start that process.

[Jack Armstrong]

Her vodka and the vodka. Yes. As I said earlier, I will be campaigning in Maui and Aspen and Manhattan and in the wintertime in Miami. Mostly Miami. I'll be campaigning in Miami.

[Katie Green]

Representative Robert Garcia of California said on Wednesday that he had spoken with Ms. Harris about traveling to competitive House districts. But again this fall to assist Democratic candidates.

[Jack Armstrong]

She's going to be all across the.

[Katie Green]

Country for the 2026 midterms. She wants to help us flip the House. Are there Democrats out there?

[Jack Armstrong]

That.

[Katie Green]

Because there aren't very many competitive seats. Do you know the Republicans. Democrats work together on that to make sure there's only, like, a small number of seats that are actually competitive. They battle on. The rest of them are solid. They draw the line so that neither one of them could lose. But anyway, are the Democrats out there in competitive seats that want Kamala Harris on stage with them?

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, no. If I were a Democratic candidate, I'd barricade myself in my house and threaten suicide instead of letting her on the stage with me. Are you kidding? It's the last thing I want anyway.

[Katie Green]

Harris, who was wide.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, you know, I was thinking, what would really help me with my campaign is the stench of a loser. Do you have any that I might hang around and pick up their stench?

[Katie Green]

Particularly one that if she goes to speak, she rambles on endlessly about nothing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, sucking all of the energy out of my already uninspiring rallies.

[Kamala Harris]

It is time for us to do what we have been, and that time is every day.

[Katie Green]

And as we all know, that was not an outlier, that statement. She did that sort of thing all the freaking time. Which is. The New York Times gets to that here. Ms. Harris, who was widely criticized last year for doing very few media interviews, is expected to begin talking with podcast hosts and journalists beginning after Labor Day. That's just a month away, according to a person she has spoken with about her plans. So she thinks she failed because she didn't do enough interviews, and now she's gonna do a bunch of interviews. You didn't do interviews because you knew or your handlers knew that you couldn't do them. You were terrible at them. Every time you did them, they ended up being a meme or a late night joke off.

[Jack Armstrong]

Try not to be a meme. Well, yes, I said at the time she didn't do Rogan because she couldn't do Rogan. She doesn't have the chops.

[Katie Green]

Right. Well, she was. Tried to do it with all kinds of qualifications on it. What he could ask and all, you know, the time of the interview and all this. And he didn't agree to it because she needs boundaries. Trump, as you can see, will go out anywhere, talk for 90 minutes to anyone, anytime and answer any question he's got from any news source. She's got a new book out called 107 Days, which was the length of her campaign. And I guess this is her talking about her book. 39.

[Kamala Harris]

Michael just over a year ago, I launched my campaign for President of the United States. 107 days traveling the country, fighting for our future. The shortest presidential campaign in modern history. It was intense, high stakes and deeply personal for me and for so many of you. Since leaving office, I've spent a lot of time reflecting on those days, talking with my team, my family, my friends, and pulling my thoughts together. In essence, writing a journal. That is this book, 107 days. With candor and reflection, I've written a behind the scenes account of that journey. I believe there's value in sharing what I saw, what I learned, and what I know it will take to move forward. In writing this book, one truth kept coming back to me. Sometimes the fight takes a while, but I remain full of hope and I remain clear eyed. I will never stop fighting to make our country reflect the very best of its ideals, always on behalf of the people. So thank you for being in this fight with me. I am forever grateful and I cannot wait for you to read this and I'll see you out there.

[Katie Green]

Everybody writes a book if they're running for president because it gives the interviewers a reason to have you on. Kamala Harris has a new book out and then they, they don't talk about your book. They ask you about all these things. You don't talk about your book. You talk about the things you want to talk about to run for reelection. I doubt she wrote the book. That's not really a knock on her though. Most of these people don't write their own books, including John F. Freaking Kennedy, who won a Pulitzer Prize. He didn't even write his book.

[Jack Armstrong]

So not sit down for interviews. And then. Yeah. Now sometimes the fight takes a very long time. And when you think about the passage of time, you can't help but think about the passage of time.

[Katie Green]

You know, I was just thinking how she it reminded about how, about how, how often she has nothing there. So that like statement was there. I have a book. But she didn't work in any, anything about anything that you could latch onto. Like Trump from the first moment. Okay. He's hardcore anti immigration, illegal immigration. I mean that just all the time. She doesn't have one of those. That's one of her problems. I mean her thing is just I'm for the American people. But you need a, you need a hook like a specific topic, an issue I guess is what you call them. She doesn't have an issue.

[Jack Armstrong]

She does have and she has an IQ of 84. Those two things I think conspire against her.

[Katie Green]

She may be, as Sid Rosenberg said on our show at the convention, stupid might be the problem. But she still has the same problem she had before. And I wonder if she's figured that out. One of the reasons she didn't do interviews is she doesn't have an answer for. You were for taxpayers paying for sex changes for illegal prisoners. Are you still what changed? I mean, and there's a bunch of those and she never came up with an answer for them. And I just wonder if she has now because she's still going to be asked that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right?

[Katie Green]

I mean she still have those positions out there.

[Jack Armstrong]

Her book 107 Days, a sequel to her first book which was about her first presidential run after Iowa, which was entitled Zero Days. Right.

[Katie Green]

I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't make it to Iowa again. I'll bet she doesn't run. She falls short of even running. She's not going to get the financial backing. She's going to realize there's no people with money out there that want to toss her enough coins to make it a legitimate run. That'd be my guess.

[Jack Armstrong]

Absolutely right.

[Katie Green]

I can't imagine unless she's the least self aware person on earth, she might be that whatever effect they call that where incompetent people don't know they're incompetent. She might actually be one of those.

[Jack Armstrong]

Is that Dunning Krueger effect.

[Katie Green]

She might be one of those people that don't because she's, she is unbelievably unself aware if she doesn't realize her. Her drawbacks as a candidate, just one of the worst candidates. It's maybe the single worst candidate to be the, to be the candidate for a major party ever.

[Jack Armstrong]

Certainly in your top tier. Yeah.

[Katie Green]

Now they did a poll, a new poll that just came out today. Potential 2028 Democratic candidates and they listed a whole bunch of names. Now undecided leads the field, which tells you that it's wide flipping open.

[Jack Armstrong]

I mean, and it should lead the field at this point, of course.

[Katie Green]

Yeah, but usually there's a Rudy Giuliani, a Hillary Clinton, a somebody that like is really solid at first place. They often end up not being the nominee, but there's some name out there. Undecided leads the field by quite a bit for the Democrats. So it's. I mean, there's not a single name out there that is like really getting numbers. This latest poll is a little different than polls I've seen before, but the numbers are so low. Pete Boot. Edge. Edge leads the pack at 16%.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's ridiculous. Oh, 16%, okay. Right. Ridiculous that anybody would say that.

[Katie Green]

But leading the field is undecided at 23. So you got Pete at 16, Kamala right behind him at 13, which I'm sure is within the margin of error. So it's basically a tie. Gavin Newsom at 12. So you kind of got a tile, a tie among that first tier, the first tier being below undecided of Mayor Pete, Kamala and Gavin. Then you drop down to AOC Josh Shapiro at 7. Then everybody else is like insignificant numbers. Yeah, but it's why wide, wide, wide open. And if I had to bet, I would bet it's not one of those names. It's somebody you've never thought of ever in your life gonna catch fire.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Bill Clinton esque character, a moderate, well spoken governor of some state.

[Katie Green]

It's not a chance. It's gonna be Kamala Harris.

[Kamala Harris]

I just broke news.

[Katie Green]

It would be fantastic if she didn't end up with the nomination, but I don't think there's a chance.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I would have to get odds of like 500 to 1 just for the amusement of having that bet out there. Because it's squandering money. It's throwing it away.

[Katie Green]

Well, other Democratic candidates realize how weak she is.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh yeah, yeah. It's going to be an enormous field, at least in the early going.

[Katie Green]

Yeah, it'll be one of those. You're going to have to have two debate nights or either you're going to have 25 people on stage or you're going to do a night with a dozen and another night with 13 or something.

[Jack Armstrong]

Great Bonus mailbag coming up in a moment or two. Hope you can hang on.

[Katie Green]

Oh, cool.

[Jack Armstrong]

I guess Colbert is going to have Kamala on.

[Katie Green]

When? Soon.

[Jack Armstrong]

Tonight.

[Katie Green]

Oh, tonight, Kamala and Colbert tonight. There's your first opportunity for her to roll and tape.

[Jack Armstrong]

Man, we're rolling tape. We'll have it for you tomorrow.

[Katie Green]

Awesome.

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[Jack Armstrong]

The travel website Skytrax recently released its ranking of the world's cleanest airlines and no US carriers were included in the top 20. Oh, how come?

[Katie Green]

Asked a passenger flying with her emotional support horse. They don't do that in other countries. Allow all your pets on there.

[Jack Armstrong]

Plus people are probably shod.

[Katie Green]

The most amazing AI claim I've come across yet. And that's saying something. Next segment.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right, we don't have much time for this, but let's squeeze in a little bit of it. Some bonus mailbag. We got this note from longtime listener Andy, who says some very, very nice things about the show. And thanks very much Andy. That means a lot. Um, and and we played a professor talking about eugenics in reference to the idiotic but hilarious Sydney Sweeney jeans commercial. Fake controversy. Uh, funny she brought that up. Andy writes the big proponents of eugenics were the progressives of the early 20th century, something I've mentioned many times. You know what Hillary claims she is the democr. And I'm not big on like nailing political parties for what they were 100 years ago or 150 years ago because things evolve. But he points out the Democratic Party is and has always been racist. From wanting to breed minorities out of existence to pushing gun control so the KKK could threaten, harass and lynch people without opposition, to wanting them to work below minimum wage so they can have cheap weed and clean hotel rooms. They've always hated minorities if you doubt it, here's Justice Ginsburg in an interview with the New York Times, and he sets it up. But. And I went and I found it. They're talking about abortion rulings, Roe v. Wade, and then the Hyde amendment ruling, Harris vs McCray in 1980. It upheld the Hyde Amendment, which said the federal government cannot pay for abortions. And she explained why that ruling surprised her. Frankly, I had thought at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don't want to have too many of. Whoa.

[Katie Green]

Ruth Bader Ginsburg said that out loud.

[Jack Armstrong]

So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion. She thought the momentum behind it from the left was that there's a population increase, particularly populations. We don't want to have too many.

[Katie Green]

That's a completely different argument than it's my body, my choice. No, your argument is population control. And as a. Of a certain kind of person.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And then interestingly, in a kind of a different topic, but she's asked a different question. She said, well, the basic thing is that the government has no business making that choice for a woman. But then she extrapolates that therefore the government ought to pay for it because some women can't make that choice and afford it themselves. Interesting stuff. But anyway, yeah, that's the 19. Actually, this interview was in 2009, and she's talking about the late 60s, early 70s. So the eugenics thing apparently lived on. Let's see. Yesterday during the Armstrong and get you one more thing podcast, I made an offhand mention of songs referencing California and the Big One, or California plunging into the ocean. First email we get from somebody says, don't forget about Steely Dan's My Old School, which was literally the first song I mentioned in the discussion. Okay. Second email from Eric Eric in beautiful Astoria, Oregon, says he resets it. In addition to the two you mentioned, Steely Dan, the Decemberists, I offer Warren Zevon's Desperados under the Eaves, which I read only because Warren Zevon was a great lyricist. Quote, and if California slides into the ocean like the mystics and statistics say it will, I predict this motel will still be standing until I pay my bill. Love, Warren. And then. And this is the one I really wanted to bring up, and we were going to have no time to discuss it. Damn it. Mike helpfully sent along a list of songs that reference California, Sliding the Ocean, Falling into the sea, etc. And you know, from Steely Dan and Tool and Tom Petty and the Decemberists and the Queers. Good, good band name and others. But he used ChatGPT.

[Katie Green]

Ah, that's not fair.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's not that. And that's. I see that all the time. Somebody will say, who was that great third baseman, hit so many home runs for the Cubs back in the day? And guys will be discussing it and somebody will break out their phone and Google it or chat GPT at ending the discussion.

[Katie Green]

That's not the point.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's something to talk about.

[Katie Green]

Speaking of ChatGPT and AI, one of the most amazing claims I've ever heard. Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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[Katie Green]

A terrifying new drug trend is sweeping our streets and most people have never even heard of it. It's called 7 hydroxy, but some are calling it gas station heroin.

[Michael]

And you know, you can buy it.

[Katie Green]

Right over the counter at gas stations and smoke shops, making this threat more.

[Joe Getty]

Accessible, more dangerous and more urgent than ever.

[Michael]

We started digging on this 7 hydroxy.

[Katie Green]

We talked to several people who have been addicted and they were hooked after just one pill. Oh, it is more addictive than morphine. Is something that you can buy without a prescription, you can buy without ID and they can sell it anywhere. Well, I need to talk to my son about this. And what, why do you buy it at a gas station or convenience store? Katie, do you know anything about this?

[Michael]

Well, so the, the basis of this is it replaces the feeling of an opioid. So if you take Percocets or you're.

[Katie Green]

On heroin, if I go to the do I go into the. If I was going to buy it at the Convenience store. Is it labeled the Hydrox or is it labeled as something else?

[Michael]

It's labeled. There's a couple of different brands of it. Seven oh and seven Hydroxy are brands. It's a. It's a kratom or a Kratom, however you pronounce.

[Katie Green]

But they're claiming it's what, like an energy booster or.

[Michael]

No, it's an opiate replacement. So people that are, like, addicted to fentanyl and heroin are trying to get off it and taking this to replace the feeling, and they're getting hooked on.

[Katie Green]

And we're selling that at convenience stores.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's.

[Michael]

It's hanging right behind the register. You point out and say, I want that, and that's it.

[Katie Green]

And it's more addictive.

[Jack Armstrong]

According to this medical study, estimates range as high as 16 million users. More than $2 billion in retail sales.

[Katie Green]

And you're addicted the first time you try it. That's horrifying. How the hell is that still in stores?

[Jack Armstrong]

So you've got that. And it should not be in stores. It should absolutely not be in stores. It should be eliminated immediately. And then it's interesting, I also ran into this story. Stronger than fentanyl, a drug you've never heard of, is killing hundreds every year. Fentanyl fueled the worst drug crisis the west has ever seen. Now an even more dangerous drug is wreaking havoc faster than authorities can keep up. The looming dangers. Emerging wave of highly potent synthetic opioids called nitazines, which have already killed hundreds of people in Europe and left law enforcement scientists scrambling to detect them in the drug supply and curb their spread from China, of course. And they have a little graphic here. Comparative doses. 200 milligrams of morphine is equal to roughly 100 milligrams of heroin. And that's about the size of a pencil eraser. That's the amount of heroin that it takes to equal 200 milligrams of morphine. Fentanyl is not 100 milligrams. It's 2 milligrams and is potentially fatal. These protonitazines are 1 milligram equals 200 milligrams of morphine. And these isotonidazines are 4/10 of 1 milligram packs, the punch of a full dose of heroin, meaning it's incredibly difficult to successfully mix and cut other drugs with how.

[Katie Green]

And how in the hell is that available at the gas station?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, this stuff is not. This is different than the Kratom.

[Katie Green]

Okay?

[Jack Armstrong]

It's yet a number. Look here's the story. My generation could do hard drugs. It was a terrible idea. As Rhett Miller of the old ninety Sevens once sang, there's been oceans, alcohol, mountains of weed, a handful of pills, but none of the hard stuff. That s kills. And that was back in the day. Hard drugs are death. Now, powder drugs, as they're sometimes known. Powder drugs are death. And we've just got to let everybody know. The cocaine of Studio 54 or. Or whatever. That. That's. That's a Model T. It's a different world now.

[Katie Green]

Horrifying.

[Jack Armstrong]

It is horrifying. And the fact that some of this crap can be sold over the counter. Hi, Caramba.

[Katie Green]

So different topic AI. One of my favorite topics to talk about my cybertruck Tesla had an update yesterday. And it's an interesting thing if you drive a Tesla because an update might all of a sudden the speedometers over here and the temperature and time is over here. Your car. It's like when your iPhone gets a new operating system. Everything changes. Some of it you like, some of you hate anyway.

[Jack Armstrong]

Does it sometimes, like, turn into a motorcycle?

[Katie Green]

No windows, or what? The update from last night. So I looked at it this morning and said, you can talk to Grok. So Grok is automatically installed. And the little microphone thing on there where I normally might say, you know, play Bob Dylan to my Spotify, I could say, hey, Grok, who. Who is. Who is the third baseman for the Cubs that hit a lot of home runs or whatever. I'm going to ask it and it's in there. But I thought this was kind of interesting. You can now talk to Grok in your Tesla. An intelligent assistant built in. Choose Gro's voice and personality, ranging from storyteller to unhinged. What the hell is unhinged? Wait a minute.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's an option?

[Katie Green]

Yeah. I'll have to check that out and let you know what I think of it. The Dispatch, which we subscribe to is writing about AI today and came across a couple of really interesting things. An April survey by the Pew Research center found that about 2/3 of US adults believe that AI will lead to fewer jobs over the next two decades. 2/3 of adults are their senses. My senses there are going to be fewer jobs, while just 5% they will lead to more jobs. I don't know what people thought about technology the past because, you know, people make that claim all the time. That's what they said about the printing press or the, I don't know, the cotton gin or whatever. And it actually led to More jobs. I don't think that's going to be the case this time. But. But listen to this. Dig this chisel. So the idea is that AI is going to come along and be so freaking productive that our GDP will go way up and we'll have so much money in this country that we're just dolen out checks to everybody to sit at home and pursue your poetry career, play guitar or whatever it is and everybody will just be happy, won't they? That's a hilariously stupid idea that people will be happy not working but to the economic activity. AI optimists and they talk to a whole bunch of people at Silicon Valley, all the best experts out there who are all guessing to a certain extent.

[Jack Armstrong]

Stent and or profiting from the development of AI.

[Katie Green]

Good point. Say that AI is going to propel the global economy into extreme levels of economic growth believing that GDP growth could explode to yesterday we had a 3% number. 3% growth and we are happy with that. You get 5 to 7 to 8% growth. Insane. I mean you know how great that they think AI will lead to an unprecedented 20 to 30% annual growth in the near future. Research researchers at Epoch AI it's some global thing that studies the. I said if AI is able to automate 30% of tasks GDP growth would be 20% their numbers a little lower than the 30%. There's a widely circulated paper called AI 2027 that claims AI could be super intelligent in the next few years and that could lead to GDP growth in those numbers of 30% or more.

[Jack Armstrong]

I almost don't want to go down this road although I think it's a good one and we need to deal with eventually. In what way? By what means will all of that enormous economic activity be funneled to me, the jobless poet suffocating levels of taxation. And then the usual politics of who gets what moneyed class. The powerful class in D.C. keeps their share.

[Katie Green]

I'm sure we'll have to completely restructure society though, right? The idea is that you're not even expected to work will be. What do they call that when you get a check like they tried in Stockton?

[Jack Armstrong]

Guaranteed basic income.

[Katie Green]

Guaranteed basic income. That will just become the norm for everybody born in this country. And your guaranteed basic income kicks in of whatever amount. You're right about the rich and powerful siphoning off their chunk. But not. Not everybody's numbers are that high. But some people that are not like AI honks necessarily. JP Morgan anticipates an 8 to 9% boost to GDP. GDP over the next decade because of AI. That would be enormous. I mean, you don't need to throw around numbers like 38 to 9% on top of whatever we're already doing. Would be world changing. Goldman Sachs is more bullish. Estimating a 15 GDP increase over the next decade.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow, that would be good. Throw us out of our suffocating federal debt.

[Katie Green]

True.

[Jack Armstrong]

Unless the government keeps spending beyond its means, which they will. Sorry, I have no fun.

[Katie Green]

I have. Yeah, they also said that if you talk to Silicon Valley, there seems to be a break between people that think the super intelligent AI that's going to change the world is going to happen in 2027 versus people who think it's going to happen in 2035. Those are. Those are the two big groups leaving 35 is awful. Dang close.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, no kidding. A couple more AI notes very briefly. I. I kind of ended the last segment yelling at Mike in Arkansas for answering the question about songs that reference California falling into the sea by using ChatGPT because I'm a fan of just the conversation and brainstorming, trying to remember it. It's fun. On the other hand, Mike, it is amazing. I mean, it's, it's. He just. I see his prompt and it just came back with, you know, a dozen or so songs and others that kind of imply California come into this fall into the sea. It's. It's amazing. Mike, thanks for sending that along. I'm not actually mad. I just want to make the point.

[Katie Green]

I use chat GPT probably 8 times a day on average at this point in my life.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow, that much, huh? I got a couple of things I've been meaning to ask it and then this is from Noah in Beautiful Loomis, California, longtime listener. I thought I'd share my experience using a chat bot out of boredom. I felt a. I fed it a random scenarios, mostly aimed around relationship conflicts, just to see what it would do. After receiving multiple affirmations for my side of the story. Remember, he made up all this stuff.

[Katie Green]

That's what all therapists do.

[Jack Armstrong]

They affirm your side and the chat bot telling me how right I am and how my hypothetical partner doesn't understand, I decided to attempt to call it out by saying, quote, it seems like you're only taking things from my point of view, et cetera. It then went down a weird rabbit hole of giving me random statistics. One of them said, quote, out of the 4 million people that have used said bot, I was one of 1500 to ask that question. I prompted it again saying that's not possible. It then began giving me a made up statistic after made up statistic, telling me how I was one of the select few to point this out. The longer this went on, the more the bot would insist I was special and no one else was asking the questions I was asking. Which of course I know cannot be true. Absolutely horrifying for younger generations as their biases and self importance seems to be getting constantly confirmed by these bots.

[Katie Green]

Well, like that one, I assume it's one of those language learning models. Did it just pick up on the fact that that's what most therapists do. They affirm your side and say, you're right, your mom is a monster or your husband is a monster or whatever. It's never you because you'd stop paying them.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, and then I, I read some tech guru talking about the fact that they've realized that these language learning models, these, these, you know, the massive Hoovers of verbiage and information from the net, they're starting to hoover up each other's bullets.

[Katie Green]

Right, right. Could lead to the Internet being completely full of crap.

[Jack Armstrong]

More full of crap.

[Katie Green]

More full of crap than it already is.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. Yes.

[Katie Green]

Huh.

[Jack Armstrong]

I, I don't think human beings can handle this.

[Katie Green]

There's also the AA problem very briefly of. And Google now does this to their own detriment eventually, I think. But Chat GPT or whatever. So you ask, you know, what are the top 10 movies of all time? Oscar winners. There are sites that used to have that stuff, that people compiled that list for profit. Lots of sites and everything you can imagine. And the idea was you would go to that site to get the answer on whatever you're looking for and there'd be ads there and they would get clicks and they would make money as soon as. But now Chat GBT gives it to you, or the AI thing at the top of Google gives it to you without going to the site. Well then nobody's gonna create these sites anymore because there's no clicks or money to be made.

[Jack Armstrong]

Mm.

[Katie Green]

I mean, that's gonna happen fast, isn't it?

[Jack Armstrong]

And not reproducing. So Planet of the Beavers, I guess we'll finish strong.

[Katie Green]

Next Armstrong and Getty.

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[Sean Duffy]

Start of the year, we are going to go back to the moon. We're not going to land. We're going to go around the moon and then about a year later, we're going to land back on the moon. Under Donald Trump's tenure, back on the moon six days. And then after that, we're going to set up our base camp. We're going to stay on the moon and what we learn on the moon is what's going to take us to Mars.

[Katie Green]

And we're going to plant a flag. I guess we're going to land up there and make a little base and plant a flag. Start that under Trump's term.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I want to hear that next clip. Can we play that? Michael, what makes you think Three Eye Atlas could actually be an alien space? Oh, no, no, sorry. I meant the Next Sean Duffy clip 35.

[Sean Duffy]

The moon is a big place. There are very specific areas of the moon that are critical that who gets there first gets to plant their flag. That's critically important. We want to get there with our international partners. We know the Chinese want to get there as well. And so speed is of the essence.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, so the Chinese, who are ramming Filipino naval vessels and building islands which they swear they won't militarize, then militarizing those islands in the South Pacific or the South China Sea, they're going to respect a flag planting.

[Katie Green]

Well, first of all, that is the most forceful statement I've ever heard of. This is going to be just like conquest was on planet Earth.

[Jack Armstrong]

I mean, that's settler colonialism.

[Katie Green]

We're the only ones that could do it forever. But yeah, obviously we're going to see in our lifetime, boys. It's going to be something to watch. The very first battles over space. The, it's always been kind of seen as like, well, you know, it's a different world space. It's, it won't be, but it's going to be exactly like planet Earth was. You got a chunk of resources. It's ours. It's ours. Unless I can take it, then it's mine.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, yes, true. Since the dawn of man.

[Katie Green]

And it's not going to be any different because it's pristine space. It's exactly the same. So at some point, China will get to something when we'll decide we want that or half of that, or you don't get to have all of it, or vice versa, and then it's all right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right? Moon Wars, Star wars, if you will. I love Sean Duffy. I. I think he's doing all sorts of great stuff. He's one of Trump's best appointees. But I just don't get the whole planting the flag thing. What are we going, oh, hey, Chairman Xi. We can't go there. They've planted their flag. What do you mean?

[Katie Green]

You don't get it? I mean, it's. It's just. I think it's clear what the statement is. We've planted our flag. What are you going to do about it?

[Jack Armstrong]

Meaning and militarized it.

[Katie Green]

We planted our flag. It's ours. So if they say, no, it's not, well, then it goes from there.

[Jack Armstrong]

So it's the initial step.

[Katie Green]

Inevitable. It's the initial step and we'll just. We're just going to extend the Monroe Doctrine to the moon.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's our moon. Yeah, clearly. American moon.

[Katie Green]

Who got there first? Our freaking moon.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. I guess my point is, if they planted their flag, we'd say, yeah, we don't care. It's our moon. Yes, yes, yes, indeed.

[Katie Green]

Check your clock.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's time to stop Jack and Joe.

[Katie Green]

They've gotta go. And if they don't, you can.

[Jack Armstrong]

They'll be back tomorrow.

[Katie Green]

Wow. That'll be exciting to watch. That could be. Well, I'll save that for my last thought. Here's your host for last last thoughts, Joe Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's final thoughts, but let's get one of them from everybody on the crew to wrap things up for the day. Why not start with our technical director, Michelangelo Michael? Do you have an ultimate thought? Wait in the show vault?

[Michael]

No, I'm just thinking that if we.

[Jack Armstrong]

Go back to the moon, we gotta send celebrities like Gayle King and Katy Perry again, obviously, duh. Do you have a far from the beginning thought, Katie Green?

[Michael]

I actually do. My new plan is to print out a bunch of flags, and when I want something, I'm going to stake my flag in it. Claim it.

[Katie Green]

There you go. This is mine.

[Jack Armstrong]

I planted my flag, Jack. A Toward the end.

[Katie Green]

Thought for us, yes, that would be a national humiliation. If we put a flag up there and then China goes up and knocks it down and puts up their flag.

[Jack Armstrong]

That'd be rough.

[Katie Green]

I don't think we'd stand for it.

[Jack Armstrong]

No. Or have our astronaut just kick theirs over, give a big white gloved middle finger to China from space. Because it'll be high def these days, folks. No grainy Neil Armstrong footage now, right?

[Katie Green]

Then he breaks the flag over his big padded knee, throws, wipes his ass with it, huh?

[Jack Armstrong]

Too much, too far. Turns around, pretends we're brainstorming here. We don't want to escalate. Let's not escalate.

[Katie Green]

Oh, I hope that does happen in my lifetime. Armstrong and Yeti wrapping up another grueling four hour work day.

[Jack Armstrong]

So many people. Thanks a little time. Go To Armstrong and getty.com for the hot links for the Katie's corner. Drop us a note if there's something we ought to be talking about or you have an insight you'd like to share, maybe an experience you'd like to share, Please write us mailbagarmstrongandgetti.com while you're at the website, pick up a T shirt, a hat, a hoodie. Helps keep everybody on the payroll during these challenging times.

[Katie Green]

I don't know how to interpret his actions. It seems the astronaut is cleaning himself. Himself with the Chinese flag. I see you tomorrow. God bless America.

[Jack Armstrong]

There were so many great moments on today's Armstrong and Getty show, but perhaps.

[Katie Green]

None as great as this primate.

[Jack Armstrong]

Researchers have found that these macaque monkeys.

[Katie Green]

You can't say that on the air.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think I can.

[Michael]

I'm cringing everything I know.

[Jack Armstrong]

I love macaques.

[Michael]

On that high note.

[Katie Green]

Bye bye.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Kamala Harris]

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