The Teeth & Pancreas Package

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand — "The Teeth & Pancreas Package"

Date: October 29, 2025
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty

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Episode Overview

This episode is classic Armstrong & Getty: a blend of biting political commentary, irreverent humor, and a wide-ranging roundup of the day's big stories. The hosts dissect everything from U.S. welfare policy debates and political grandstanding to wild stories about escaped lab monkeys, economic upheavals, and labor market trends. Along the way, they inject running gags, media criticism, and their ongoing skepticism toward headlines—sometimes with a dose of mock exasperation at the absurdity of modern discourse.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Political Theater and the Weaponization of Hunger

[03:51–09:31]

• The episode kicks off with a satirical riff on the difference between "ant" and "aunt," which segues into discussion of politician Mamdani's allegedly fabricated story about Islamophobia post-9/11.
• The hosts quickly pivot to mock political narratives around food insecurity, particularly the accusation by Democrats like Gavin Newsom that Republican policy is “an intentional policy of hunger.”
  • Jack labels the notion as “typical lefty woven from whole cloth crap.” [04:30]
• Joe and Jack ridicule the idea that conservative politicians derive sadistic pleasure from cutting food benefits:

  “At our secret meetings, we conservatives, we just plot on how to starve people. So that's our real goal.” — Jack [05:37]

  • They decry the overblown rhetoric as “for 18 to 24 year old Ivy League grads or college students…a parody of itself.” — Jack [07:45]

Notable Quote

“A totalitarian regime that purposely starves its citizens to death. Yes. I would commit acts of violence against that.” — Jack [08:36]

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2. Israel, Hamas, and Escalating Tensions in Gaza

[10:03–11:56]

• Discussion of escalated Israeli bombing in Gaza and the latest ceasefire.
• On prospects for peace, Jack is pessimistic:

  “Hamas has zero interest in peace. And I'm really beginning to believe that the Arab states are not willing to bring the pressure to bear it would take…” [10:22]

• They review Israeli anger over a soldier’s death and disrespect of hostages' remains.

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3. Absurd News: The Escape of Diseased Lab Monkeys

[12:26–15:56]

• The headline story: “The urgent search for dangerous research monkeys that escaped from the wreckage of a crash on a Mississippi highway.” [12:26]

• The hosts milk the segment for its comic potential, riffing about tongueless backwoodsmen, the possible diseases (hepatitis C, herpes, and Covid), and the notion of buying a discount monkey.

  “I bought this monkey, it was super cheap. I thought, how could I afford not to? It bit me.” — Joe [13:38]

• They humorously imagine the consequences and the police response.

  • Jack: “Please. Some of these diseases, okay, but you gave him Covid. What are we doing there?” [14:47]

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4. News Headline Roundup with Katie Green

[18:49–22:32]

• Joe and Jack set up a rapid-fire review of major news:
  • Russia-Ukraine: No signs of Russian compromise.
  • Fentanyl replacement: Stronger opioids (nitazines) emerge, possibly with links to China. Jack is exasperated by the multiplying threat:

    “At some point you just take one drop of something and die, don't you?” — Jack [19:38]

  • UPS Layoffs: 48,000 workers cut amid shifting economic tides.
  • Gig Economy: UPS now using gig workers for deliveries.
  • Troop Pay: Billionaire steps in to pay U.S. troops during a government shutdown, his name made public by Trump.
  • Valley Girl Voice: Americans try to cut “like” from speech with “no filler words” trend.
  • Dictionary.com Word of the Year: “67” — both hosts mock the pick.
  • Money Habits: Americans spend nearly half their paycheck within 48 hours; relevant to current layoff wave.

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5. Economic Anxiety, Layoffs & the State of the Job Market

[27:11–34:19]

• Jack and Joe discuss the sudden wave of layoffs at Amazon, Target, and UPS—contradicting predictions of relative employment stability. Experts are “trying to figure out exactly what is going on.” [27:53]
• Personal anecdotes underscore the financial stress: people dipping into 401(k)s to meet bills.
• Discussion of paycheck-to-paycheck living, especially among millennials.

  “That sounds like catching up on bills to me.” — Jack [29:50]

• Concerns are raised about possible systemic risk or a coming downturn.

  “My life experience is when the stock market's setting a record every single day... Buckle up. Something is about to happen.” — Joe [30:32]

• AI's role: There are “two economies now”—AI-tech and everyone else.

Notable Quote

“There are two economies. There's the tech economy right now and the rest of us. And the tech economy is surging. The rest of us, not so much.” — Jack [31:14]

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6. Labor Market Shifts & UPS/Teamsters Standoff

[32:49–39:20]

• UPS's pivot to gig drivers explained: lightweight packages, labor cost savings, fallout with unions.
• Critique of the Teamsters for “bloated freaking contracts,” but empathy for the loss of good blue-collar jobs. Joe reminisces:

  “I used to lift boxes for UPS as a good paying job. The benefits were amazing…” [38:50]

  • He jokes, “I should have gotten all my teeth pulled or a new pancreas or something.” [39:15]

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7. Skepticism Toward Economic Reporting

[35:46–37:08]

• Both hosts rail against the quality of economic journalism, describing much of it as “all theory and often backward-looking theory.”
• Joe: “I have long said that the worst reporting that exists is economic reporting.” [35:46]
• Jack: “The dismal science, as they say.” [36:43]

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8. Mailbag and Lighter Antics

[41:57–47:08]

• A playful, listener-fueled segment with self-deprecating humor and a Churchill quote about dictatorships.
• Jack is ribbed for technological hypocrisy (owning a Cybertruck but professing love for simplicity).
• Discussion of the strategic value and the fate of Taiwan (with a strong pro-democracy sentiment).
• The guys poke fun at the climate change debate, referencing Bill Gates’ evolving views.

  “Sell your parka. Buy some shorts. That's my climate change policy.” — Jack [46:33]

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Additional Notable Quotes

• “In my world, if you fall on such hard times you need help from other people to give you money to eat, it doesn't include gourmet coffee.” — Joe [06:36]

• “You get people pretty worked up with that sort of crap.” — Joe, re: apocalyptic political narratives [08:33]

• "This is rarely a policy. Certainly not a policy of hunger." — Joe, dismissing hunger as a deliberate government policy [08:43]

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Memorable Moments & Humor

• The tongue-in-cheek ongoing joke about the difference between “ant” and “aunt.” [04:11]
• Lampooning conservative “secret hunger meetings” with fictional participants like Dracula and The Simpsons’ Mr. Burns. [09:05]
• Jack deadpans about the ineptitude of economic analysis and predictions — a recurring show motif. [36:43]
• Shtick about overlong World Series games and wearing rivals’ hats to “bring luck.” [25:37–27:12]

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Key Timestamps

• 03:51–09:31 — Hunger rhetoric, Mamdani story, SNAP benefits, coffee
• 10:03–11:56 — Gaza conflict, ceasefire, hostages, Hamas/Israel analysis
• 12:26–15:56 — Escaped monkeys story, comic tangents about disease and local color
• 18:49–22:32 — Katie Green headlines: Russia, China, UPS, gig work, pop culture, economics
• 27:11–34:19 — Job market, layoffs, personal finance troubles, economic warning signs
• 32:49–39:20 — Labor trends, union dynamics, gig economy, UPS/Teamsters tensions
• 35:46–37:08 — Critique of economic journalism and theory
• 41:57–47:08 — Mailbag, Churchill quote, audience engagement, lighter endnotes

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Tone

Irreverent, acerbic, and skeptical with flashes of genuine concern—true to Armstrong & Getty style. Both hosts oscillate between sharp skepticism about media narratives and pop culture, dry observational humor, and pointed political analysis.

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For New Listeners

This episode is a representative slice of Armstrong & Getty: if you want a blend of political satire, news roundup, off-the-cuff commentary, and slightly absurdist humor—with several big stories deconstructed in real time—“The Teeth & Pancreas Package” delivers.

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End of Summary.

Transcript

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[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Gary live from Studio C. Si, senor. It's a dimly lit room deeper than.

[Joe Getty]

The bowels of the Armstrong and Getty Communications compound in midweek pump day. So there's a camel in the studio. We're under the tutelage of our general.

[Jack Armstrong]

Manager, Mum, Donnie's beleaguered aunt.

[Joe Getty]

Like as is, as in his dad's sister. That sort of aunt.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. I, I, I, I. I'm not a Northeasterner, so I can't bring myself to pronounce it. Aunt.

[Joe Getty]

No, no, no, no, no, no. My son, one of my kids said that the other day. I said, we are not aunt people. No, we are ant people. We are not aunt people.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're no son of mine. Right.

[Joe Getty]

Get out of this house with your arms.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, exactly. If you. Oh, hello. Oh, that's his son leaving a theater of the mind. Yes, yes. If you're not familiar with that story, Mamdani trying to pitch himself and his family as victims of Islamophobia and just one of the many reasons he should be voted for. And cooked up this completely phony story about his poor aunt who was afraid to ride on the subways because she was a Muslim after 9 11. Just completely ridiculous. Typical lefty woven from whole cloth crap.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know this story.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, unbelievable.

[Joe Getty]

We got that coming up later.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's exciting. Yeah. He pretended to break down and shed tears. Even thinking about the horrors.

[Joe Getty]

I've come across this twice today, I think. Did we have a clip like this from Gavin Newsom, the governor of California yesterday? I think he's talking something about the. The hunger is the point, the government shutdown and the fact that the whole SNAP EBT food benefits thing is coming to an end here soon for a whole bunch of people.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, yeah. At our secret Meetings, we conservatives, we just plot on how to starve people. So that's our real goal. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Keeping in mind now that I'm a fancy coffee person with my fancy coffee machine, my fancy coffee that I mentioned on Friday, I was shopping for fancy coffee on Amazon and with your aunt with my. And the fancy coffee on there, like the expensive stuff though that I'm like, I don't know if I should buy. This qualifies for ebt.snap. you can use your SNAP benefits to buy ridiculously expensive whole bean coffee, which means you've got some sort of machine that grinds beans. Right. So what is, what is that? Anyway, I found that kind of odd. If I'm a SNAP benefit person, I'd say, how about we don't. That's not a good look.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, let's make it so as mum Donnie, my hero would say. So in your world, only the rich can afford super expensive premium coffees? In my world, yes, exactly.

[Joe Getty]

Yes, exactly. In my world, if you, if you fall in such hard times, you need help from other people to give you money to eat, it doesn't include gourmet coffee. Right, right. Seems crazy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, Jack's world, only the rich will drive 8 Series BMWs and own yachts. Armstrong loves coffee.

[Joe Getty]

You know, if I'm being honest with myself, because I had some at home and then I came here, I'm not sure after all the money I spent that it's better than the stuff out of the machine here.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh no, I'm not positive. Oh no.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway, so Gavin Newsom said something about, you know, the hunger is the point. Then I came across this, this career nutrition analyst in one of your big papers. New York Times, Washington Post, I remember which one called it an intentional policy of hunger that the President has created. How crazy is that, this idea that, I mean you joked about it a few minutes ago that that's the whole conservative thing is we, we want people who aren't doing very well to be hungry, maybe starve.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's the policy.

[Joe Getty]

That's the whole point of the shutdown. How long can we hold this out? Until people are starving? How could you say that with a straight face?

[Jack Armstrong]

That has got to just be for 18 to 24 year old Ivy League grads or college students. What a ridiculous thing to say. I mean it's like a parody of itself. And so it's got to be intended for, aimed at the soft headed, super enthusiastic progressive utes.

[Joe Getty]

Well, you know, it's in one of the major newspapers, they, they found some career nutritionist who would say that sort of crap? So they can quote him, that it's a policy of hunger. So the whole trying to get away from violence and politics all the time, if you've got each side saying there will be no more elections after this one, or their policy is starvation. Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

You could get people pretty worked up with that sort of crap.

[Jack Armstrong]

A totalitarian regime that purposely starves its citizens to death. Yes. I would commit acts of violence against that.

[Joe Getty]

Sure. Of course you would.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

The shutdown is both sides thinking there's good. Every time there's a shutdown, it's both sides thinking they're going to get some sort of political leverage out of this. And then they're often wrong. Just how this looks and how it makes people feel. This is rarely a policy. Certainly not a policy of hunger.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's an intentional policy of hunger.

[Joe Getty]

Can you believe it?

[Jack Armstrong]

We get together at our secret meetings with Count Dracula and the Texas shooter guy in the Simpsons. Who else was always in those meetings? Mr. Burns, obviously. Oh, and Bob Dole, inexplicably. And. And. Oh, Crusty the Clown. Right, Homer?

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

But Gavin Newsom actually said that the hunger is the point. Okay, so I guess that's still where we are with our politics.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hey, Gabby, just private between you and me, because I know you think I'm an a hole. I'm not, actually. I just think you're a terrible, terrible governor, and I say so with glee on a daily basis. It's got to be kind of a drag to have to court people so stupid that they would fall for that to your side, I mean, because I know you're not a stupid guy at all. So it's got to just be kind of. I don't know, you're slumming it, throwing stuff out there. That's that stupid. But that's the business you're in.

[Joe Getty]

We'll have to talk about later, because overnight, Israel pounded the crap out of Gaza with a whole bunch of bomb and then that sort of thing. Where do you think the ceasefire is currently?

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, they. It's back on. They bombed the crap out of them and then said, all right, ceasefire's back on.

[Joe Getty]

Well, do you think it'll. Do you think it'll hold or. No?

[Jack Armstrong]

I think the same thing. I've always thought, unfortunately, that Hamas has zero interest in peace. And I'm really beginning to believe that the Arab states are not willing to bring the pressure to bear it would take to get the dead enders to give up fighting. So Israel is back to Its only alternative, which is just decimate Hamas to whatever extent is possible. So they, at whatever cost.

[Joe Getty]

Hamas. Somebody with Hamas killed an IDF soldier on Tuesday. That's what Israel was responding to. They're also angry about one of the hostages remains that were returned having been murdered and or tortured to death.

[Jack Armstrong]

They have video actual starvation.

[Joe Getty]

They have video of. And I don't know what they were up to here. Hamas had taken the body to a location, dug a hole, put the body in the hole, then called the Red Cross and said, hey, we found a body. What was that all about, boy? I don't know. I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

But they also, one of them, they were trying to turned over. They'd already turned over another part of.

[Joe Getty]

Them, but they were trying to cover it up for some reason or maybe that. Maybe that's what it was. Maybe it was to try to make it seem like two bodies. It was two locations. Maybe that's what was going on there. But Israel is very upset about that for obvious reasons because you're not, you know, honoring your end of the deal if you're doing that sort of thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, Hamas, for their part, was just buying enough time to somehow reconstitute their forces. They're being just obliterated. And so said we got to agree to anything to buy. Buy ourselves some time, including returning the hostages. And that's what they did.

[Joe Getty]

We need to get to probably the world's lead story, which will be in our opening clip by starting the show officially. I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Joe Getty on this. It is Wednesday. Flipping Camel in the studio. It seems like, seemed like a funny idea at first. Every Wednesday we'll have a Camel in the studio. But I'm telling you, I'm not liking it anymore.

[Jack Armstrong]

I told you, don't sign the three year lease. You said, oh, but it's cheaper. I said you're not going to want.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Let's begin officially then, according to FCC rules and regulations. Here we go at mark. The urgent search for dangerous research monkeys.

[Joe Getty]

That escaped from the wreckage of a.

[Jack Armstrong]

Crash on a Mississippi highway.

[Joe Getty]

We got 21 monkeys that was on this.

[Jack Armstrong]

Heavily armed officers responding to the scene. Here's one of the monkeys right here. There one sitting right there.

[Joe Getty]

At least six monkeys escaping.

[Jack Armstrong]

Officials warning they might be aggressive towards.

[Joe Getty]

People and were potentially infected with hepatitis C, herpes and Covid. Oh, okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

So A whole bunch of monkeys escaped from a truck. I mean, you heard the tongueless guy there explain what happened.

[Jack Armstrong]

Tongue. Tongueless backwoodsman.

[Joe Getty]

Now, I don't think we should hire truck drivers that are illegals and can't pass the test. But just because you were born without a tongue doesn't mean you can't drive a truck.

[Jack Armstrong]

And that guy right there said dispatcher.

[Joe Getty]

And he said something about a bunch of monkeys. And the truck crashes and the monkeys escape and then they throw in at the end. Oh, by the way, they might have HIV and Covid and hepatitis and all kinds of.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hey, Joe, you don't sound good. What's going on? Ah, God. I got attacked by this monkey that was carrying hep C and Covid and herpes, and I just feel like crap.

[Joe Getty]

I bought this monkey, it was super cheap. I thought, how could I afford not to? It bit me.

[Jack Armstrong]

Turns out, yeah, it didn't look real healthy. But the guy who sold it to me assured me it was fine. That's my new bag. Plus, I couldn't understand much of what he was saying.

[Joe Getty]

I speak. You wanna buy my monkey? I speak tongueless. Luckily. So he said, There are 21 monkeys on this truck. We got 21 monkeys that was on this.

[Jack Armstrong]

200 from a monkey, but I'll give them to you for 200.

[Joe Getty]

One of the diseased monkeys probably yanked his tongue out. And it was.

[Jack Armstrong]

But he still persevered and called the cops.

[Joe Getty]

I'm sorry, sir, it sounded like you said. And my new band, the Coffin Monkeys, will be playing this Friday night. That's a lot of stuff for a monkey to have. You got the hep, you got the HIV for some of them. You got Covid. You gave him Covid, the horrible herp.

[Jack Armstrong]

Please.

[Joe Getty]

Some of these diseases, okay, but you gave him Covid. What are we doing there?

[Jack Armstrong]

Got monkeys running around with some weird lab created monkey. Covid. What is Dr. Fauci in charge of the. Was it Fauci? Trucking carrying monkeys. We got five of them on the run.

[Joe Getty]

I was. Wow. The police showed up heavily armed, and they said, there's a monkey crouching right over there and they're ready to do what they had to do to protect themselves.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I'm told that they actually euthanized the monkeys. Bluey, Bluey.

[Joe Getty]

Well, I'm sure they do.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

I live really close to a big monkey research center and so we're always on the lookout for that sort of thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ever vigilant. That's the way to be.

[Joe Getty]

I was watching Fox and Friends this morning and Brian Kilmeade said, this is the only story worth following as far as I'm concerned.

[Jack Armstrong]

I love Kill Me. He's a funny guy.

[Joe Getty]

The HIV monkeys the loose okay, we got Katie's headlines on the way. We got a lot of news to catch up on. Stay here. On the way.

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[Joe Getty]

Yo yo. Trump is still in Asia building up to tomorrow's big meeting with President Xi which is could have seriously global, historic long term results obviously with the two biggest economies and where our tariffs are going to land and all that sort of stuff.

[Jack Armstrong]

Something to look forward to.

[Joe Getty]

Excellent.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right, lot to talk about today. Let's figure out who's reporting what. It's lead story with Katie Green.

[Joe Getty]

Katie, so the police pull over this guy and say to him, where were you between five and six? He says first grade. Police went to beating on him with a wand. What?

[Jack Armstrong]

That took turns darker than I expected.

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Good grief. All right, starting with Fox News, U.S. intelligence agencies see no sign that Russia is ready to compromise on Ukraine.

[Jack Armstrong]

Neither do I.

[Joe Getty]

From the Free Beacon.

[Announcer]

A potent replacement for fentanyl is emerging.

[Joe Getty]

In the United States.

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States and experts say that China is behind it.

[Joe Getty]

What is it?

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These things are called nitazines.

[Jack Armstrong]

They're opioid.

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That's 43% stronger than fentanyl.

[Joe Getty]

I can't handle these new percentages of 800 times worse than this or that. What are we getting to? At some point you just take one drop of something and die, don't you?

[Jack Armstrong]

So is she gonna say, yeah, all right, we'll crack down on the fentanyl for you. Yeah, no problem. Meanwhile they're shipping this crap to kill our people and turn them into junkies. He was bringing their whole of society attack.

[Joe Getty]

See, they meant what time? Where were you between 5 o' clock and 6 o'? Clock? But the guy was being smartass. Oh, thank you for clearing that up.

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New York Post ups access 48,000 workers in sweeping cost cut push sparking a stock surge.

[Joe Getty]

I was wondering about the timing of that. Did they wait till Amazon made their announcement and thought okay, we'll slip this in end of the day and hopefully it won't bland quite as badly.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, a couple of headlines today related to that story. Tens of thousands of layoffs now because of a white collar jobs. And also UPS is hiring gig workers to do a lot of their deliveries to cut costs.

[Joe Getty]

Whoa, we got to talk more about that coming up. I got some more details that from.

[Announcer]

Breitbart.com JD Vance confirms that U.S. troops will be paid during the Schumer shutdown.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, we haven't talked about that billionaire dude who stepped in and said he's going to cover the check for the troops pay on his own. And he wanted to do it anonymously. But Trump put his name out there. Some guy I hadn't heard of, some dude Trump knows who's a patriot and want to make sure the troops got paid. And he's cutting a check himself for like $150 million.

[Jack Armstrong]

Holy cow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I missed that story. That's amazing. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

From the New York Post as well.

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[Joe Getty]

Okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

Apparently there is a trend going on.

[Joe Getty]

Right now, of course. It's called the no filler words trend.

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Where Americans are challenging each other to record themselves speaking for 30 seconds without using like or.

[Joe Getty]

That's a good idea.

[Jack Armstrong]

I love that idea. Yeah, it's There you go. I odd. It's worth doing. Yeah. There was actually a groovy morning radio game that they used to play sometimes called don't say oh and you would just have to speak for 30 seconds on a topic and not say at all. It's hard.

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[Joe Getty]

Is its 2025 word of the year. 67 is the word of the year.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

I hate it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Study.com needs to be shut down by the government if they're having to alter.

[Joe Getty]

Rules at school because of a particular word. That elevates it pretty high. No, no, no.

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly wrong. 180 degrees wrong. You ignore it, resist it, don't give in.

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Study finds average American spends 48% of their paycheck within 48 hours of receiving it.

[Joe Getty]

Wow, that's an interesting stat. Let's put that in with our stuff about all the layoffs coming up because it all fits together.

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And finally, the Babylon B heartbreaking terrorist shares how he got dirty looks while boarding a subway in a suicide vest after 9 11.

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That's into the Mandani's aunt story that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Joe brought us, right, who wasn't his aunt and none of that happened and.

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[Joe Getty]

The World Series the Dodgers beat the.

[Jack Armstrong]

Blue Jays in an incredible game that.

[Joe Getty]

Went 18 innings lasting 6 hours and 39 minutes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh yeah, it's one of the longest World Series games ever.

[Joe Getty]

That might explain some of the signs.

[Jack Armstrong]

That fans were holding up towards the.

[Joe Getty]

End of the game. I'll show you what I mean.

[Jack Armstrong]

This one said, well, I've officially gone from drunk to hungover.

[Joe Getty]

This next one said, I'm a Dodger fan, but at this point I'll root.

[Jack Armstrong]

For whoever ends this. Then this one said, when this started, the White House still had an East Wing.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. I was talking to a guy yesterday who had been at the last Dodgers game playoff game that went 18 innings. He was there and stayed the whole time. That was in what, 2018. And that was before the Pitch clock and it lasted like an hour and a half longer.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

So that makes a huge difference having the pitch clock in there. Toronto won last night. By the way, I'm continuing to wear my Dodgers hat because I think it's giving Toronto luck. I'm rooting for the Blue Jays. I can't believe how many people I've run ran into yesterday bleary eyed talking about having stayed up and watched that game.

[Jack Armstrong]

So you're. And this has been our trademark through the years, angering everyone.

[Joe Getty]

Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

By wearing a Dodgers hat, annoying non Dodgers fans and then rooting against the Dodgers, which has got to be profoundly annoying to Dodgers fans. As you were there.

[Joe Getty]

I like that plucky Blue Jays team. I think they're awesome. Anywho series is tied and it will be going back to Canada, which my son is very angry about. Canada can't win our World Series makes it very angry, which I understand completely.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes.

[Joe Getty]

So we mentioned yesterday the Amazon announcing firing a whole bunch of people and then later in the day there was stuff came out about Target and then this UPS story where they're getting what, a 48,000 something like that. Just a huge number of layoffs that they're gonna have. Come across a number of stories. And then I've got a personal anecdote that fits in with this. So a couple of different articles I've read in reaction to this where experts, economists are like huddling together, gathering, trying to figure out what exactly is happening this week, what is going on. There's not a clear cut, simple explanation for why this has happened all the time.

[Jack Armstrong]

All of a sudden.

[Joe Getty]

For most of 2025, the job market was described by economists as a no hire, no fire job market. And they expected it to last for a while. A stretch of time where you probably couldn't find a job if you're looking for one, but if you got one, you're probably going to be able to hang on to it. And then all of a sudden that fragile balance has been shifting and they're not consensus as to why, at least according to the Market Watch article that I'm looking at right here. And they're kind of in a. They weren't expecting this to happen over the last 72 hours, these announcements to be made. And so they're trying to figure out exactly what is going on. That combined with this antidote. Anecdote. Not an antidote. An antidote is what you need if those diseased monkeys get a hold of.

[Jack Armstrong]

You and need that quick.

[Joe Getty]

Yes, an anecdote. Singular Story that may or may not represent a larger theme such as this. Somebody who works in variety. It's a complicated. I'm not sure I quite understand, but it's a retirement planning sort of thing where you got your 401k and you're deciding how to use it, or some people taking money out of the 4k. Anyway, person texted me and said people are panicked right now that their job is really stressful because there's so many people that are like really in a panic looking to dip into their 401k because they're coming up short in a variety of places. Oh. And looking at. And they're having to try to talk him into, talk them out of the idea of doing that. But they're, they're, they're stuck. They come up short. Then you combine that with that story that Katie had in her headlines just a few minutes ago, and I don't know where this fits in historically, but right now, about half of the average American paycheck is spent within 48 hours of payday, with over a third gone in 12 hours. Millennials, not surprising. They're spending the fastest, burning through 40% of their earnings within the first 12 hours, which is more than any of the other generations. That's not surprising that the younger end is doing that, but. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

That sounds like catching up on bills to me.

[Joe Getty]

Of course it is. Yeah, absolutely it is. It's like I got, I got to spend, I got to make my car payment, my rent, my credit card, my, you know, whoever you owe money, I got to pay him, like right now because I'm behind and penalties are adding up and whatever else the situation is. And then we had that stat not that many weeks ago where the number of people 60 or 90 days behind on their car payment was the highest it's ever been.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

All of those things together. You know, try not to be the radio show you tune into to make you feel scared and miserable every single day. But I got a bad feeling. I mean, well, first of all, my life experiences when the stock market's setting a record every single day.

[Jack Armstrong]

Buckle up.

[Joe Getty]

Something is about to happen.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, especially when everybody is admitting, yeah, it's really just AI companies driving the raise, the rise in the stock market. Everything else is kind of stagnant, including consumer spending. I mean, that's just. It's so obvious what's going on here. I read a big analysis or tried to, a very in depth analysis of the AI boom, bubble or boom, and nobody's sure. A couple of economies there are There are two economies. There's the tech economy right now and the rest of us. And the tech economy is surging. The rest of us, not so much.

[Joe Getty]

I'm reading from CBS News quoting a couple of different financial publications. The announcements from Amazon and UPS and Target could be signaling that the Fed has good reason to be worried about the job situation across the country. No question, this is a shift no higher, no fire is a thing of the past. I like the way things come and go so fast. You know, a week ago, you know, it's a no higher, no fire economy. And then a week later it's a thing of the past.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right, I hadn't even heard the term. And it's over. Right?

[Joe Getty]

I know. I didn't even get to enjoy saying it. And it's over. These are major layoffs. The kind of which we only see in periods of real change in the economy. Okay, again, maybe buckle up. Maybe I don't. That stat. About half of people spend half their paycheck within 48 hours for all I know. It's always that way. I don't. Didn't get into comparing it to the past.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, which kind of takes the fun out of it.

[Joe Getty]

Exactly.

[Jack Armstrong]

So my question about your last sentence a couple of sentences ago. You only see these sorts of layoffs and periods of great change. Is this just another period of great change? The sort of which we're kind of used to, or is this mostly AI driven change?

[Joe Getty]

I don't know. The ups, it's a whole bunch of drivers and people like I used to do for ups stacking boxes is as many tens of thousands of the 48,000. But that doesn't mean it's not AI related. I mean, if you're getting hit by something AI, you might have to cut costs everywhere.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right? Yeah. The article in the Journal why UPS is increasingly turning to gig drivers for deliveries. The company has cut thousands of drivers as it tries to improve profitability. Instead of the iconic brown trucks, UPS has been funneling smaller, lower value parcels to gig drivers who use their personal vehicles to make deliveries. Part of a push by the company to reduce expenses that's involved. Excuse me. Buyouts and layoffs of 34,000 drivers and warehouse workers.

[Joe Getty]

As you mentioned, the only possible advantage of getting older, and I'm telling you, you gotta search to try to find few and far between. Any upside to getting older is you have been through a number of things before. And I remember the big crash. 2005 was the housing market crash. And then 2008, the whole bailout crash. But I remember a guy we worked with, very successful guy, owned a big business and he said, I got a whole bunch of employees buying houses. I know what they make. They shouldn't be able to buy a house. Something's going on here. My point being that these little anecdotal things you come across in your life can be pretty good indicators ahead of the giant front page Wall Street Journal alerts you to its story. Like this person I know who works in 401ks who said people are panicked and it's, it's an unusual situation where people are all of a sudden like I need to dip into my 401k to make payments. That's, that that means something.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, that's exactly the same sort of beast as our old friend the business owner saying that. Yeah, I remember that these people are buying big houses and I know what they make. There's something odd happening. Yeah. The other is we won't re litigate that. But yeah, there is a quick word from our friends at Simplisafe home security. You have stuff you want to protect it certainly your loved ones and the castle that is your home. That's why you got to trust Simplisafe home security. It doesn't just wait till somebody's already broken in. Like old systems, it stops the crime before it starts. With combination of AI security cameras that identify the threat and Simplisafe's professional monitoring agents.

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[Joe Getty]

I have long said that the worst reporting that exists is economic reporting. And if you dig into it much it's the they love to run with headlines. And then you get into the details and it's like one guy said maybe. And I Remember a friend of mine who was getting his graduate degree in economics and I just asked him something about it and he said, yeah, tell me something. He said, it's all theory and it's always stuck in my head because it is. It's all theory and often backward looking theory. Something happens, nobody predicted and then they come up with a theory for why it happened, but not for predicting the next big thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. I remember being so frustrated as I almost had a double major in economics in college, but it was the equivalent of a minor where I went and class after class I would take and think, I'm not going to remember a lick of this. And even if I did, it's useless. What are we doing here? The dismal science, as they say.

[Joe Getty]

You still got the whole supply and demand.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, that, that part. That quite useful. Yes, that is very handy. And why rent control is utterly idiotic and price controls always have been, always will be. Yeah, that sort of thing. Although, you know, every generation needs to relearn that one.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, Mark, Mark Halpern always does. The jokers. There's only two economists that understand the global economy and unfortunately they disagree.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, right.

[Joe Getty]

Is very true.

[Jack Armstrong]

One more interesting note from the UPS story. I did not know this ups, this is a logistics expert and former UPS executive. UPS Achilles heel is lightweight residential packages that don't offset the labor expense because everything's priced by weight and size and everything. So that's interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Well, they're not.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's what they're farming out to these gig workers.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, they're not keeping up with Amazon and FedEx. Amazon, which, you know, the gig worker thing. Amazon has had to have a huge effect on shipping with their model of we're gonna hair sketchy people in crappy cars to drive into your neighborhood, dig through their trunk and find a box and put it on your porch. That's not always my experience, but sometimes.

[Jack Armstrong]

It is as you, you know, deadbolt your door as you see them approach in your house. Oh, oh, they're an Amazon driver. Oh, okay. By the final, final, final note, the push to lower labor costs at ups not going down well with the International Brotherhood of teamsters, who represents three quarters of UPS's 400,000 employees in the U.S. the buyouts. According to union guys, the buyouts were aimed at replacing older and higher paid drivers who make 45 bucks an hour with younger drivers who make $23 an hour. Teamsters general president Sean O', Brien, the combative Sean O' Brien said ups is trying to weasel its way out of creating good union jobs here in America. And particularly that's in particularly. That's one way to look at it, Sean. The other way is now your bloated freaking contracts are unsustainable.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Or the competition came along and somehow they're doing it cheaper so you can't pay people $45 an hour anymore. Those days are over. Which happens in free market. I used to lift boxes for UPS as a good paying job. The benefits were amazing. Absolutely amazing. Best benefits I ever had. 100 no deductible on all my medical. It's too bad. I was young and healthy. I should have gotten all my teeth pulled or a new pancreas or something.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or both. Both. Get the teeth and pancreas combo package.

[Joe Getty]

Mailbag on the way and a bunch of other stuff. Stay here.

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[Joe Getty]

We're very pro free market around here. For some reason, the kind of downer economic news we were just talking about drove me to the Reddit anti work site that I like to check in on regularly with numb nuts and their numb nut ideas about not having to work. I've already got a couple of great posts I want to share with you an hour too.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm glad you thought of that. It's been too long. Also, I went with kind of a silly general manager today. At the beginning of the show. We always appoint an honorary general manager. I really should have gone with Maria Corina Machado who just won the Nobel Peace Prize, the democracy activist from Venezuela. What she has said about Trump blasting the Venezuelan drug boats out of the water will shock you.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I can't wait to hear this. And I didn't fully appreciate her until 60 Minutes pointed out what she's been doing the other night.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, she is a person of enormous courage. Yeah, yeah, really fantastic. Here's your freedom loving quote of the day in her honor. Today we start a series of quotes about dictators and dictatorships. This one from Churchill. You see these dictators on their pedestals surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police. Yet in their hearts there is an unspoken fear. They are afraid of words and thoughts, words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home, all the more powerful because forbidden. They terrify them. That's some good Churchillian stuff. Gives a shout out of your blood. Go get em Winnie. Mailbag, drop us a note, won't you? Mailbagarmstrongandgetti.com Ryan from Houston writes, Dear Cold Warrior and Old Simple Jack. Old Simple Jack has said he wants a car with the air conditioning. You just slide the blue slide to get colder and the red side to get warmer and a manual crank for the windows. But what does he buy? A cyber truck. Then he goes out and buys a fancy coffee maker. I claim Old Simple Jack needs to Come clean and admit he is old Fancy Jack.

[Joe Getty]

The cybertruck truck is a good a blast. The coffee thing though, that is simple. That's like basic. The most basic coffee making you can get is start with the bean, grinding it up, hot water, etc. Figuring out how to do it yourself.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, all right, maybe.

[Joe Getty]

But yeah, truck makes sense.

[Jack Armstrong]

Eric Formosa, last name from beautiful Astoria, Oregon, writes, that's the former name of Taiwan Formosa way back in the day. Guys, when it comes to the idea of defending Taiwan against the predations of the prc, I believe it is worth emphasizing that the Republic of China, aligned with the US since its formation in 1911, is more important than a supplier of high tech chips. Taiwan is a vibrant liberal democracy. Vibrant liberal democracy that deserves protection from not just us, but its friends in Asia as well. Japan, Korea. Well, we no longer have an official defense treaty with Taiwan. If you get a chance to visit there, you'll understand we have no better friends than that country. Whoops. Did I call the island of Taiwan a country? Darn tootin, I did.

[Joe Getty]

No, I agree with you. But I think the reality, at least right now, is the world is not willing to fight China for it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, just like the world is not.

[Joe Getty]

Willing to fight Russia for Ukraine.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm afraid you are correct. Frequent correspondent Paolo says. Guys, I'm not sure if you've mentioned this. Bill Gates is changing his tune on climate change. No, we've been wanting to get to that story. We haven't yet.

[Joe Getty]

To cover up his Epstein files.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, for God's sake. Let's see. Paolo writes, bill Gates is a pretty influential voice on climate change. He now suggests that we're too narrowly focused on reducing emissions and that we should spend more time on mitigation, on adopting, adapting to a warmer world, and on improving the lives of those most affected. You know, Bill Gates, as a young garage geek, was super crazy smart about writing software. And he built Microsoft and became for a while the world's richest man. Certainly still one of the world's most rich men. Still. But he could have asked me and I'd have told him that five years ago. You've just come around to that, Bill. That all of the yelling and marching and chanting and stupid laws and stupid blue cities has not put a dent in global emissions. And then a slight rise in temperature is a reality we just have to deal with. Welcome. We've been wondering when you would get here, but more on what he said and why'd you.

[Joe Getty]

Why'd you visit the island so many times?

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh boy, oh boy. Sell your parka. Buy some shorts. That's my climate change policy. It's simple, it's effective and inexpensive.

[Joe Getty]

It's not very expensive.

[Jack Armstrong]

How dare you. Okay, sweetheart, aren't you on the you're demonstrating for Hamas now, right? That's your new gig.

[Joe Getty]

Nvidia just hit a stock market.

[Jack Armstrong]

Record.

[Joe Getty]

That I find frightening, among other things. We've got to talk about an hour too. All in the way, if you miss a segment, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand.

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