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Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
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Co-host 2
Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty.
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Co-host 1
I think if you run the numbers here, you know, 25% chance it turns.
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Co-host 2
Out really well and there's a secular.
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Co-host 1
Country kind of emerges. I think 25%, it shuts down pretty quickly as as jihadists take over. Maybe a 50% chance. It looks like Libya, which is an ongoing state of conflict. Man, seeing how people happy those people were in Syria over the weekend. Bring it down. Those statues dancing in the streets, children, old people, people crying as they saw loved ones who were released from the prisons that they hadn't seen in decades. But you know, if you're old enough to have lived through the Arab Spring, you know how a lot of these turned out, unfortunately, right?
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Co-host 2
So an enormous couple of days for the people of Syria with uncertain future ahead. Also, the fall of the Assad regime has sent shockwaves. That's a cliche. I should have avoided it throughout the region and geopolitically as it's exp Russia and Iran is much, much weaker than they've been formerly. Where does it all go? Perhaps we'll discuss that with Mike Lyons, military analyst, who joins us now. Mike, I realize predictions are extremely difficult in that part of the world, but this is a big one, isn't it?
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Mike Lyons
Yeah, for sure. That was Admiral Sternis, I take it from his voice. Right. So 50% turns into Libya. Interesting analysis. I think that there's a higher probability that things go south very quickly. Unfortunately, it's just the human nature of what we've seen in history in that part of the world. But there is opportunity, no question. The main thing is what are these external countries like Turkey going to do to get involved? I see the United States and Israel are already going after military targets, taking away capability, military capability of this new group, this HTS group that seems to have taken control of the country right now, getting rid of their ammo dumps and keeping them from waging more conflict. But what Turkey would like to do is create this state of Kurdistan. I don't know, think of Syria becoming, let's say Balkanized and kind of chopped up. It's a big piece of land, not a lot of desert areas. So the cities are the built ups there. But what Turkey would like to do is find a home for 30 million people that are indigenous to that part of the world and call it a homeland. Now the problem Syria has as a country, it doesn't have a lot of natural resources, it doesn't export a lot of things. So to have a country you have to have all those things anyway. All those things you brought up, tremendously important as well. Russia is now weighed down the fact that they, they've lost a warm water port in the Mediterranean. The Iranians can't help either. So we'll just have to see. But I'm betting things are to go south before they get better soon.
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Co-host 1
Well, we have 900 troops there, 75 airstrikes yesterday. So we're involved at some level. I was reading this from the LA Times. Their headline in Syria, militias armed by the Pentagon are fighting those armed by the CIA.
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Mike Lyons
Yeah, yeah. It's likely a story as we have looked to prop up some groups. The problem though, this HTS group, the main rebel organization, is nothing more than a merger of different Al Qaeda facts. And Al Nusra in fact are one of their main supporters. And so as that was used in some ways to fight ISIS in that region, you're still at groups that are on the terrorist watch list, which is why I know that this administration is looking anywhere to get away. When you saw Jake Sullivan over the weekend talking about how well Israel has done because of the Biden foreign policy. Well, actually they've done well because they've not paid attention to the Biden foreign policy. That's really what's happened there not anything that this administration did. But this administration is looking for some victory as it walks out the door, as it cheapestly has the door kind of shut. Shut behind as it leaves. And if they can, if they can try to claim something that this will go well, they'll obviously try to take credit for it. So we'll see.
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Co-host 2
Yeah. Speaking of Israel and Iran, this is a huge blow to Iran. It's got to be. And to its proxies. I mean, Hezbollah, which has already had the hell beat out of it by Israel, now lacks a direct supply route. How significant is this?
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Mike Lyons
Yeah, incredible. The fact that exactly that land bridge now is torn between Iran, those proxy forces there as well inside of Iraq. That's why those 900 troops are there as they kind of, they straddle the Tigers Euphrates Valley there and try to shut those supply lines down. And a lot of the attacks that were taking place that we took over the weekend were against those militia forces that the Iranians support. So they've lost all of their proxy forces in Hezbollah, in Hamas, and then these small splinter groups that it's now open season for us, I'd say at some level, which is why I heard A10s, for example, were striking some of their targets there. So again, Iran is very exposed right now. They've never been weaker. Russia, to me, is no longer any kind of superpower whatsoever. And again, part of the issue is going and destroying that military equipment that Russia left behind. Because if that falls into the wrong hands, I think that the world is going to see increased conflict as Israel is looking to shore up its border on the Golan Heights with Syria as well.
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Co-host 1
So for a lot of our audience, I don't know what percentage, but a chunk of our audience would say this, we should stay out of it. We never get a good result. I don't want us involved at all. What's, what's your response to that?
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Mike Lyons
100%. There's nothing that we can do to influence anyone's side. Let's see what Turkey does. Let's see what Turkey's response is going to be. As they're in the region, let them do a lot of this dirty work. It does not make any sense to even send treasure there to, you know, pick one side or the other. The only thing we should do is continue to support our ally Israel, as I would not be surprised if this new organization that runs Syria declares some kind of jihad against Israel. So that'll just be another, you know, another target for Israel to take down that would Be, that would be bad because Israel would eventually accomplish that mission. And this, that's where this revolution then that just took place there would go down, would die in the ashes it would ever get off the ground. Because again, Israel's, Israel's at the strongest point right now, but there's literally not a single soldier, not a single dollar we should send their way right now at this point.
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Co-host 2
So you can clarify something for me, because I know we'll be pressuring Turkey not to go wild on the Kurds, who have been, you know, reliable US Allies. But. So are you suggesting that. Because Turkey's always been vehemently against some sort of Kurdish homeland, but is it now that the Assad regime is gone, they can carve it out of Syria that now they're in favor of it? Is that right?
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Mike Lyons
Yeah, yeah, that's right. They're against the homeland because most of them sit inside of Turkey proper and they don't want that to happen. They sit in Iraq, Syria, Turkey and Iran. And so this is similar to what happened in the 40s when, when Israel gets its own homeland set up by the, you know, kind of a world council. That's what. I would not be surprised if Turkey does, though, again, that Balkanization, they're going to, they're going to take Syria, what was once this big landmass, and whack it up into four or five different areas in different secular groups. The Druze, there's a Christian sect there in Damascus. There's all different areas that you can easily do this, but, but again, you have to create more of a republic because it's, you know, each of these different groups would be, have a, have a challenge surviving on their own. So, for example, if, if the Kurds, one of the reasons why the Kurds are so successful as an indigenous group outside is because they own oil rights in the northern part of Iraq. They generate revenue. If you have a country, you got to have a, you know, generate revenue. You have to have a military, all these kinds of things. You've got to figure all that out. When you try to redraw new boundaries here. The boundaries that Syria, Syria was created after World War I by colonial powers that just thought these were the boundaries that we were going to do. Same with Iraq, same with Kuwait, same with everything that exists there. And now they're falling into more of the natural position as to where they are based on the tribal people, where they live.
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Co-host 1
I think this question is relevant. So I was looking at the end of the year book lists in various publications because I like reading the best books of the year and there's this book that Steve called, wrote, I wrote read Ghost wars years ago, but the Achilles Trap, Saddam Hussein, the CIA and the origins of America's invasion of Iraq. And it's all about how we had four different presidents that were pro regime change and all our momentum toward Iraq and how we invaded and what did we get out of it and all that sort of stuff. You were there. Do you feel like I'm not trying to like relitigate Iraq, I'm just trying to figure out is that where your point of view comes from, of we should stay out of Syria, that we rarely get a good outcome?
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Mike Lyons
Yeah, we try to, we try to import democracy into places that can't, it won't take it, it won't hold there on any level. I mean it's just not going to work. What we should try is create the environment where we import capitalism. I think that's what failed in Iraq in the last 20 years. We overthrow the government and we have all these people with the pictures and their purple thumbs. But next thing you know the extremists and the reg start cutting their thumbs off because they just, they're not into democracy. They just don't, they don't have that this feeling of self rule. However, capitalism and money and wealth is more or less a human condition as well that's more easily transferred. So if you can create the conditions where businesses can exist, then democracy will follow. We've always tried to do it in the other direction. We try to implement democracy first and then capitalism hasn't worked and that's why it's failed. I think in Iraq if we could figure out a way to bring capitalism there first, bring the businesses first, I think then democracy would follow.
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Co-host 2
Alan, Americans in general have a naivete that would be charming if it wasn't so dangerous that they imagine either everybody around the world thinks like Americans do or they can be persuaded to. When you're talking about hundreds of year olds, religious, fundamentalist, fanatical movements that they're just nuts. That doesn't make me a racist. That makes me a realist.
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Mike Lyons
Exactly. You know, so much of the world, especially in the Middle east, this part of the world where the normal civilians go hours without electricity, they can't drink water from the faucet. There's so many things we take for granted here in our, you know, in our country that they don't have or their basic necessities that the government can't provide for. But no, that's Right. It's the real politic to how we should deal with this and we should get back to containment, get back to the countries that we know, our allies in that region and support them and make sure that they don't fall. But let the ones in the region take care of it. Let's say if Turkey is successful at carving out a Kurdistan, they solve a couple problems. They solve a revolutionary potential problem in their country. The Turks are concerned that the Kurds will all get together because there's 30 million of them. If they all get together, decide to overthrow the Turkish government, well, that creates a NATO problem then at some level. So that's what I think that the path we should go down.
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Co-host 2
Military analyst Mike Lyons. Mike, great to talk to you. Thanks so much for the insight.
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Mike Lyons
Great guys, thanks for having me.
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Co-host 2
Absolutely.
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Co-host 1
So I can't tell if I'm inconsistent or wise. I don't actually know. But as you know, if you listen, I'm big time supporter of us being involved in Ukraine and I think it's very important to the world order and I think it's directly important to the United States. And the Secretary of Defense, Austin announced yesterday another $1 billion in military aid for Ukraine. I'm all for supporting Ukraine. I am not for getting involved in these Middle Eastern countries. I just don't see what we've gotten out of it over the years.
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Co-host 2
Well, obviously the, the answer to that is long and complicated and probably book length. You know, I'm more than happy to engage in that chat if you want. It just has to do with our national interest, obviously, and which is I.
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Co-host 1
Feel like we get the same result whether we get involved or not in these countries. Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt.
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It's interesting. Mike Lines is 100% stay uninvolved in Syria and Trump, who's going to be president here soon and to some extent he is, is also. We have no business being there, so that's probably the direction we're going, for better or worse. We got a lot more on the way. You can join us anytime on the text line. 415295KFTC Armstrong and Getty if for some reason you were picturing me in my underwear, it would be Mack Weldon underwear. Oh, you weren't? Anyway, it would be Mack Weldon underwear. And also I'm wearing a Mack Weldon T shirt.
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I'm thirsty. Watch.
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Bartesian Representative
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Feel more seasonal in here already.
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Co-host 1
So I really see that you didn't grab any of them, Michael, and I understand why. Their first, like four jokes were all about the assassination of that United Healthcare CEO in Manhattan. And unfortunately, I saw blowback against that before. I saw the jokes would put a thought in my head. I hate that. I didn't think they were particularly out of line. And they're distasteful. I don't like being the joke police ever. If you're. If your intent is humor, you know, some of it's distasteful. And then, you know, if you don't like it, you don't like it. But I don't mind jokes about serious things. The. This stuff, the New York Times headline, some on social media see suspect and CEO killing as a folk hero. You know, that sort of like turning him into a folk hero. Stuff I am bothered by. But making jokes about things, either you.
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Co-host 2
Like it or you don't. I had the same experience. I ran into the online condemnation, thought, oh, I ought to listen to those jokes. And I found them much more innocent than they're portrayed. A couple of. Yes, one.
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Co-host 1
On the insurance thing, we got quite a few texts that are really interesting about the way insurance companies handle bills and people who work in the industry and stuff like that. And again, I'm uncomfortable with even getting into that because there's a certain bit of the killer getting his way. It's kind of like when you read a school shooter's manifesto and take his argument seriously.
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Co-host 2
Yeah, I get that. Ethically, I'm uncomfortable going into it. Although there are. It's beyond denial that we have serious issues with health care and insurance and stuff in the country and a lot of people get hurt and a lot of people are mad. So I get it. Yeah, we shouldn't buy the discussion with the blood of this poor son of a gun who's gunned down on the pavement, but it is a legitimate discussion. I just hate to even imply that therefore, it's okay to shoot people in cold blood, right?
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Co-host 1
Well, we got some texts about it. We'll get to them later this hour.
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Co-host 2
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Co-host 1
Oh, you just ruined their Christmas. I hope you're happy. You roll the Christmas probably every Christmas to Come.
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Co-host 2
Because the pain of this day will linger in their memories. Anyway, a woman whose name is definitely not Jan wonder whether if she got her husband a present from the Armstrong and Getty store, whether it would get there in time for Christmas. Yes, but do it today.
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Oh, I need to do that. I actually had that thought over the weekend.
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The premium mang hoodie flying off the shelves. People are loving the cut the crap T shirt. And the hot dogs are dogs as well. Armstrong andgetty.com. how is it crass commercialism?
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Co-host 1
How do you feel about me buying family members Armstrong and Getty stuff? Does that seem.
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It's a little odd? Is it? It's fine if he would like it.
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Here's a gift to you. You helping me by wearing an advertisement that puts more money in my pocket. Yes, Michael.
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Co-host 2
I bought family member stuff. Yeah, they liked it. Yeah. And I don't know if you've seen the books. The money actually doesn't go in our pockets, but I remember. Well, this is a long story.
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Co-host 1
People listen to the show because they see the advertisement. That's what I mean.
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Co-host 2
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's. That's good point. Yeah. Oh, we've just got 30 seconds. Like if I bought my parents, it's good stuff.
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Co-host 1
Hey, I bought you a billboard on i80 in your name for Christmas advertising the radio show.
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Co-host 2
Well, it's. It's a warm wearable that they can say, look, this is my brother, my son, my. Whatever. I don't know. Do whatever you want.
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Co-host 1
Trump did an hour plus interview on Meet the Press yesterday. Kind of got obscured by the news.
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Donald Trump
Well, I don't want to be breaking up families. So the only way you don't break up the family is you keep them together and you have to send them all back.
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Co-host 2
There you go. Trump, in response to the inevitable question, you say you want to deport people. Are you going to separate families?
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Co-host 1
Always asked from the point of view of it being bad, even though he ran on that, got elected, and 60% of people approve of it. So I just, it just drives me nuts.
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Co-host 2
I'm, whenever we talk about this, I'm reminded of my youthful idea of living in Germany to work and study and stuff like that, because I studied German and thought that might be interesting. And it became clear that there were severe limitations in getting into the country than staying in there. And working was very, very difficult. You had to get permits and stuff like that. So I, and I accepted that. I thought, well, that's unfortunate. But it is what it is. The idea that I would go to Germany, sneak in, and then when they say, hey, you don't have authorization to be here and you certainly don't have authorization to work, me saying, are you going to separate me and my family? And what would the Germans say to that? Well, they'd say it in German so you wouldn't understand it, folks. But what it would mean essentially is be quiet and get back in line. It's not our problem.
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Co-host 1
We got a bunch of clips. But I thought maybe the most important one that should have gotten a lot of attention but didn't from Trump was when he was asked about the Iran on retrib retribution, he said, I'm really looking to make our country successful. I'm not looking to go back into the past. I'm looking to make our country successful. Retribution will be through success. Okay, there's your Hitler for you. There's your Hitler. There's your there will never be another election again.
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Co-host 2
Well, and he has made that point repeatedly. The retribution is how successful we're going to be. That lays it to rest. But it's such a good clickbaity narrative. The lion liars in the media and Kristen Welker is their unholy princess. They just can't leave that narrative alone. Stop it. There are real problems with Trump. Quit making stuff up.
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Co-host 1
Right.
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Co-host 2
By the way, I'm told Daniel Penny has been acquitted in the death of that homeless lunatic on the New York subway.
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Co-host 1
Wow. So it's over for him.
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Co-host 2
Yeah. Yeah. Nice job. What a horrible shame. Somebody had to die, but enforced the law in New York.
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Co-host 1
Yeah, well, you don't want to die. Don't go jumping on a subway car, threatening a whole bunch of innocent people. That'd be a good way to avoid it. Poor Daniel Penny. What a trial he has been through. Shouldn't use that term. What a. You're the word guy. Come up with a word. What a difficult period of his gauntlet.
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Co-host 2
Journey, whatever.
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Co-host 1
Yeah, journey is good. What a horrible thing to have to go through when all you did was you're the one alpha male in the room who is willing to try to stop this guy from hurting people. Everybody on the train car was thrilled that you did something about it, and you came this close to going to prison.
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Co-host 2
Yeah. All right. So back to Trump and Welker. A lot of people have enjoyed this clip. It's 37, Michael. They are discussing January 6th in general. Officials say that the order never came in for national guards on January 6th.
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Bartesian Representative
Let me ask you this about January 6th.
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Donald Trump
Benny Thompson wrote in a statement that he has destroyed all evidence.
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Co-host 2
Let me ask you this about January 6th.
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Donald Trump
I wish you could be a. If you, you know, you have such potential. If you could be just non biased. You hurt yourself so badly. I'm telling you, they deleted and destroyed all the evidence. Everyone knows it. And you slough it off like it doesn't mean anything.
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Co-host 2
No, I'm just saying they deny it.
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Co-host 1
That's all I'm saying.
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Donald Trump
Kristen, if I did it, you would be standing up in that chair shouting at me. And you know what I'd do? I'd say, you got me.
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Co-host 1
My main takeaway with that is, okay, you're gonna ask him about January 6th again and try to get him to admit to something or whatever. Do you, I assume, Kristen Welker, you don't like Trump and don't want him to have power and be elected. You're helping him. You're helping him. Yes, the majority of people are like, whatever. Move on to something else. I know a lot of super hardcore Trump haters would love to talk about January 6th for the rest of their lives, but that's not where most of America is.
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Co-host 2
Well, no, America saw it and they had a choice between Trump and then Biden and then Harris and thank goodness said we're not electing either one of them. So yeah, he brings with him that baggage. But let's, let's look to the what, what are we accomplishing by relitigating it at this point? And Jack and I were both harshly critical of Trump then and I have not changed my opinion of his activities on the day one iota. I still condemn it. And yet here we are, excuse me, in the year 2024 with a hell of a lot on our plate. Let's get on it. So speaking of which, Kristen Welker, who again, I should have written out all of my various insulting adjectives I'd had in my head to use for her because I find her obnoxious, smugly one sided and snotty, just not a good person. Anyway, she brought up the federal minimum wage in clip 39B. You see that one? Michael, I don't know if you remember this, but during the debate in 2020, I asked you if you would raise the minimum wage. You said you would consider it. And so my question for you is now that you are going back to the White house for these 19 states that voted for you, are you going.
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Donald Trump
To raise the feds are very low number. I will agree it's a very low number. Let me give you the downside though. In California, they raised it up to a very high number. And your restaurants are going out of business all over the place. The population is shrinking. It's had a very negative impact. But there is a level at which you could do it. Absolutely.
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Co-host 1
What is that level?
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Donald Trump
I don't know. I mean, I really don't know. I can say this. You have a lot of businesses that are open and thriving because of the lower minimum wage. If you raise it too much and you understand this, if California went crazy, they went crazy. And people, the restaurants are closing, all of them, many more people are hurt.
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Co-host 2
So I hear you saying similarly to what you said in 2020. Will you consider is this something you're going to look at?
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Donald Trump
I'd want to speak to the governors. And the other thing that's very complicated about minimum wages is places are so different, Mississippi and Alabama and great places are very different than New York or California, I mean, in terms of the cost of living and other things. So it would be nice to have just a minimum wage for the whole country, but it wouldn't work because you have places where it's very inexpensive to live, where a minimum wage which is eight or nine dollars might be, you know, might have very much, very little effect because the cost of living in certain places is really low.
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Co-host 1
This makes me so tired.
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Co-host 2
I know.
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Co-host 1
So first of all, he's the leader of what is now the working class party and the raising the minimum wage polls, well, it's unfortunate. I think with a five minutes of explanation, you could explain to a lot of people why it's not actually good for you to raise the minimum wage. But Trump realizes, you know, the party that he's leading. But even when he states to her there's a downside to raising a minimum wage, she just completely blows that off and goes with the next question of obviously it would be good for everyone to raise a minimum wage. I feel like I should inject here one of, from one of your Thomas Swell so well quotes on Twitter about the minimum wage. The minimum wage law is very cleverly misnamed. The real minimum wage is zero. And that is what many inexperienced and low skilled people receive as a result of legislation that makes it illegal to pay them what they are currently worth to an employer.
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Co-host 2
Well said. Very succinctly said. Trump frustrates me always because he does just a half assed job of explaining some of the principles that I hold dear. But you know, he is what he is. But the federal minimum wage is. To call it irrelevant is to exaggerate how relevant it is. It is a complete non factor in anyone's life. It's a silly discussion. If states want minimum wages, they should pass them. There is, you know, with the exception of a couple like enslaved immigrants who are probably trying to escape right now, and I wish them well, there is nobody in America who is exchanging their labor for a wage that they are unwilling to exchange their labor for. Nobody. If you don't want to do a job at a particular wage, you will not take that job. The idea that the government can somehow, especially the federal government, prop up some sort of minimum, it's just, it ignores everything that is the most fundamental about economics. It's just silly. It's a silly question. I mean it's, it's pretty silly on the state level. On the federal level, it's completely ridiculous. Say you're gonna have a minimum wage for coon Holler Kentucky. And what is that gonna do for the people in Seattle for instance, or la? Nothing. It's just dopey Kristen boy.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Donald Trump
The press has to straighten itself out because, honestly, it's lost all credibility. Based on the press, I should have gotten no votes. None. And yet I got the highest number ever. And the reason is because I'm able to go on a show even like yours. Even though you're very hostile, I'm able to go on a show like yours. No, you are.
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Bartesian Representative
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We covered a lot of policy grounds.
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Donald Trump
It's fair only in that you. You allowed me to say what I say, but, you know, the answers, the questions are, you know, pretty nasty. But.
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Co-host 1
But look, that's true.
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Donald Trump
You know, you would think the press would like to see strong borders, great education, a powerful military. So we have A country left and all these different things, and somehow they don't want to see that.
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Co-host 2
As always, I wish I could, you know, be the fly in or not the fly in the wall, but the voice in Trump's ear and have him say, like you've pointed out, Jack, many times, you ask every question from the perspective of liberal Americans. More than half the country is conservative. Ask a question from their perspective once, you might like it.
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Co-host 1
Yeah. And on some specific issues like the deportation, there's polling that shows the vast majority. It's an easy. It's a 6040 win for deporting illegals.
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Co-host 2
Right.
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Co-host 1
So why, why ask it from the point of view of the 40?
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Co-host 2
Speaking of which, she asked every single one of her immigration questions from the perspective of AOC pretending to cry in a parking lot miles away. Phoniness 31. He's talking about, you know, deporting people and, you know, both ends of the equation.
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Donald Trump
You know, the people that have been treated very unfairly are the people that have been online for 10 years to come into the country. And we're going to make it very easy for people to come in in terms of they have to pass. They have to be able to tell you what the Statue of Liberty is. They have to tell you a little bit about our country. They have to love our country. They can't come out of prisons. We don't want people that are in for murder. We have to get the criminals out of our country and we got to do it.
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Co-host 2
Yeah, we're going to let the good people in, the smart people we can use, and we're going to get rid of the murderers. But what about separating families? What the hell?
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Co-host 1
So we got some. We had the conversation earlier about that United Healthcare CEO getting assassinated in New York and how awful that is. And anybody who acts like that's a way to fix problems is a lunatic. But we got some interesting comments on the insurance industry and things that people have observed and experienced that are worth discussing. So we can do that when we come back. Stay tuned.
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I remember when we broke this down when she was touring the us the amount of money she brought into LA the three nights I think she played there in various cities. It is a huge economic boom if they boom boom if she came to your town. And now she's finally finishing up a two year long tour so she can fully focus on Travis Kelsey and the Chiefs playoff run. TMZ is saying the United Healthcare CEO Murder Person of interest has been detained by the police. I don't see that anywhere else. Oh no, Interesting. CBS has it now a person of interest is being questioned in Pennsylvania and the United Health Corps CEO's murder could be nothing, could be everything. We'll find out.
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They probably got him.
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Co-host 1
I'll bet they do too. So we already had the discussion of whether or not we should be dignifying the guy's probable arguments about healthcare costs and being out of control, which we kind of are, by bringing it up. But we got these texts. My wife works for an oncologist here in California as a billing specialist. So all she does is bill insurance companies. And she tells me that the dirtiest thing the insurance companies do is repeatedly deny certain services, hoping the bill will go away. And it works because the biller gets tired of trying. What you guys said about doctors losing money on medical Medicare patients is 100% true. I think we've all experienced that. It seems like they just say no at least once to see if you'll go ahead and pay it. And then sometimes like I just ignore it and eventually gets paid, which is a very frustrating way to have a system.
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Co-host 2
Right? Yeah, I can picture that. And again, none of this justifies gunning a man down in cold blood. Not even close. But yeah, I could see as a policy, yeah, hey, just deny everything. If people have the wherewithal to reapply Then give it to them. But we'll cut 4% that way.
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Another point of view, different topic. I can guarantee you that if insurance companies approve everything doctors recommend, we will soon be given MRIs every time we have a headache. The problem is fair resolution of what's medically necessary. And that's hard to achieve when the person making that determination is employed by the company that has to pay the bills. We may need a separate independent board to make such decisions rather than a claims agent. Claims agent who thinks he's going to move up the corporate ladder by being hard nosed and save the company money.
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Co-host 2
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Mike Lyons
Yeah.
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Well, I remember though on the.
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Co-host 2
I wouldn't claim for a second that it's not sometimes unfair and immoral.
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Co-host 1
Yeah, I know somebody right now keeps getting denied for they got a black spot in their lungs, something like that. They can't get approved for or any mri. What's the other one? The other ones, CAT scans or whatever. I had that at the beginning of my cancer where they just. Yeah, that. The insurance company hasn't agreed to that yet. So we're gonna. So you could. I finally paid cash. I paid 1200 bucks out of my home pocket and went to a different place. I figured out which one was the cheapest, drove 45 miles and had it done there. Paid cash, it got reimbursed by the insurance company. But the fact that they wouldn't do it right off the bat was highly annoying given the fact we were already down the road to something wrong. So sometimes it's very frustrating. Again, does not justify murdering the CEO who has nothing to do with this decision.
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Especially because. And that the correspondent made reference to this. We were talking about it earlier. The unholy relationship between the government and the private health insurers and how the government has forced them into an incredibly difficult spot where they're making a lot of profits, but they're essentially we the rate payers are getting ripped off. But more on that to come.
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