The Weirdest Negotiation Ever or Welcome to Scambodia!

Summary

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Armstrong & Getty On Demand — “The Weirdest Negotiation Ever or Welcome to Scambodia!”

Date: April 20, 2026
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty

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Episode Overview

This episode tackles the wild landscape of current global and domestic affairs, zeroing in on the chaotic state of negotiations with Iran (the “weirdest negotiation ever”), Cambodia’s cybercrime-driven economy (“Scambodia”), and the war’s tangled politics, public opinion, and media coverage. The hosts deliver headline reactions, dig into AI anxiety, Supreme Court “shadow docket” controversies, quirky news items, and listener mail—all while maintaining their trademark irreverent banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. “Scambodia”: Cambodia’s Criminal Economy

(03:01–03:41)

• Joe Getty introduces the dark side of Cambodia, sarcastically dubbing it “Scambodia”:

  “I was just reading how in Cambodia the highest skyscraper in the nation is being built by a criminal syndicate...They run a good deal of the government and the economy. Cyber scammers. They’ve got the whole, like, slave camps full of poor third worlders who are slaving away...trying to steal from your checking accounts every day.”

• Jack Armstrong: "I'll be damned."
• Joe Getty compares Cambodia’s scams to “banking in the United States”—the country’s most significant industry.

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2. The Iran War: The “Weirdest Negotiation Ever”

(03:50–14:26, 34:19–35:02 — main segment, continued in hour two)

a. Fractured Power & Negotiation Chaos

• Confusion and power struggles within Iran: Civilian leadership vs. Revolutionary Guard (IRGC).
• Joe Getty:

  "It's a little like saying an attorney says, 'Yeah, he can't do that.'”

• Multipolar power situation: Even with external pressure, it’s unclear who controls war decisions.
• Ongoing frustration with political/military punditry:

  “Too many generals on television, all with different takes.” (06:17)

b. Media Portrayal & Domestic Political Breakdown

• Jack Armstrong:

  "Depending on which cable news channel you flip on, you get different points of view...Now almost 70% of Americans think the war was a bad idea. And Trump's approval rating is the lowest ever been. I don't know how long you can run a war like that.” (08:26–09:27)

• Media rooting for/against different sides; domestic unity is gone during wartime.
• NPR's framing of the ceasefire as if only Western actions jeopardize peace, ignoring Iran’s provocations.

c. Trump’s Persuasion Problem

• Joe Getty:

  “When the book of Trump is written...they will have to mention that he had almost a magical ability to connect with common people...And an absolutely miserable inability to disarm people who disagree with him and change their minds.” (10:05–10:56)

• Lack of effective communication for the war’s purpose and stakes.

d. Looming Ceasefire Deadline

• “Dicey 48 hours” before deadline; threat of major attacks if Iran doesn’t comply.
• Joe Getty:

  "The world's weirdest ceasefire, which, again, will lead back into the world's weirdest negotiations." (11:14–11:42)

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3. Supreme Court “Shadow Docket” Controversy

(26:32–34:19)

• Recent NYT exposé examines the court’s increased use of so-called “shadow docket”—emergency stays/decisions without full briefing or arguments.
• Joe Getty critiques the alarmist narrative:

  “To portray it as some sort of out-of-control conservative court is once again silly, especially given, if you're a student of the court at all, it was an out-of-control progressive court for like 65 years...”

• The expansion of executive power, not ideology, largely forces the court’s hand.
• Calls for improvement: Supreme Court should provide more reasoning even in expedited decisions.

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4. AI Fears—Bill Maher’s AI Segment Reaction

(25:30–26:32)

• Jack Armstrong:

  “Bill Maher...said for the first time in 23 years, he seriously considered doing [his closing] without jokes because he thinks AI is the most important thing he’s ever talked about and people aren’t taking it seriously...”

• General agreement that the public isn’t paying enough attention to the transformative (potentially dangerous) impact of artificial intelligence.

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5. Eclectic & Absurd Headlines

(17:38–21:51)

• China’s in-car toilet: Debut of a car seat that converts to a toilet, complete with a smell-exhausting system.
• Bear suit insurance scam: Two individuals sentenced for defrauding insurers in a bear suit—long a favorite A&G story.
• Neighbor attacked for pounding schnitzel: Literal case of meat-flattening noise causing strife, not a euphemism.
• Shreveport mass shooting: A brief, somber reference highlighting frustration over recurring mental health/violence crises.
• Army bear attack: Two soldiers in Alaska survive a bear attack using bear spray; “If it’s brown, lie down. Black, fight back. White, say goodnight.”
• Pot poll: Young people now less likely to support legal pot than older voters, suggesting generational shift as marijuana potency increases.

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6. Education & Online Degrees

(22:03–22:11)

• New trend: Students finishing full online degrees within weeks.
• Joe Getty: “College is so easy. If you do it online, they can get through an entire degree in weeks.”

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7. Quirky Sidebars & Listener Mail

(35:02–39:20, 41:29–45:36)

a. Duck Update

• Jack’s saga caring for a mother duck and her ducklings—includes using a pool ramp to help them escape.
• Jack Armstrong: “Now I got a duck pond is what I have.”
• Joe Getty: "The ducks will crap prodigiously in your pool. But you know, if you're fine with that..."

b. Crow Friendliness

• Listener writes about befriending crows at work; A&G note that crows are extremely smart (“as smart as a seven-year-old,” per Jack’s son).

c. AI Chatbot Tone

• Jack complains about chatbots’ cheerleading tone:

  “I’m really getting tired of the way chatbots talk to me like they’re a junior high cheerleading coach.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Cambodia’s cybercriminal dominance:
  Joe Getty (03:01):

  "Scams are to Cambodia, Iran..."

• On Iran Negotiations:
  Joe Getty (05:43):

  “You can either use the fancy political science term, a multipolar power agreement, or you can say nobody's sure who's in charge.”

• On Generals on TV:
  Jack Armstrong (06:17):

  “Too many generals on television, all with different takes… it's just like their opinion, man.”

• On War Messaging:
  Joe Getty (10:05):

  "...he had almost a magical ability to connect with common people who were of a bent to agree with him...and an absolutely miserable inability to disarm people who disagree..."

• On America’s Hypocrisy About the Pope:
  Joe Getty (24:50):

  “Liberals suddenly love the Pope…But now because he’s feuding with Trump, MSNBC loves this guy.”

• On Bear Attacks:
  Jack Armstrong (21:42):

  “If it's brown, lie down…black fight back… white say goodnight. That’s the rules on the bears.”

• On Crow Intelligence:
  Jack Armstrong (43:54):

  “My son Henry told me...a crow is as smart as a seven-year-old.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• “Scambodia” discussion: 03:01–03:41
• Iran negotiation & war analysis: 03:50–14:26, 34:19–35:02
• Supreme Court “shadow docket” critique: 26:32–34:19
• Bill Maher’s AI warning: 25:30–26:32
• Headline off (China toilet, bear suit scam): 17:38–19:23
• Army bear attack/animal headlines: 21:20–21:51
• Duck update: 35:02–37:41
• Listener mail & crow stories: 41:29–45:36

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Tone & Style

• The episode maintains a sardonic, conversational, and rapid-fire tone—mixing sharp insight with irreverent humor and pop culture references.
• Frequent asides, personal stories, abrupt transitions, and a blend of serious analysis with absurdity.

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Useful for Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode is a signature blend of Armstrong & Getty’s skepticism, broad-ranging knowledge, and improvisational chemistry—offering a fast-moving yet comprehensive snapshot of the world’s weirdness and the nation’s fractured state, all filtered through their distinctively wry lens.

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Transcript

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

to dust off my Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons voice for this first one first headline title Weirdest Negotiation ever. Second Choice welcome to Scambodia. Scambodia I was just reading how in Cambodia the highest skyscraper in the nation is being built by a criminal syndicate and. And they run a good deal of the government and the economy. Cyber scammers. It has become one of the world's. They've got the whole, like, slave camps full of poor third worlders who are slaving away at risk of beatings, trying to steal from your checking accounts every day.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'll be damned.

[Joe Getty]

Giant national, giant industry. It's like, you know, banking is the United States. Scams are to Cambodia, Iran.

[Jack Armstrong]

Tensions flare as ceasefire deadline nears. Roughly the headline everywhere. As in the next 48 hours, either the deadline will reach it, end its end, and the blasting of the country and wiping out their bridges and power plants as promised will happen, or we punt again. And I don't know how many times you can punt before nobody takes you seriously, before you're the parent that says one more time. Ah, he never listens. Right.

[Joe Getty]

And I don't have the complete list in front of me. Jack, I'm sure you could augment what I've got at the top of my head, but I mean, the. There is a ceasefire. No, there's not. The strait is open. No, it's not. There's, you know, shipping. It is now back open. No, it's not.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that.

[Joe Getty]

Weirdest negotiation ever.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, well, that is what we had been talking about for a long time. And the Wall Street Journal has got the best information on that I've seen so far. This war of the who's in charge? That's the whole problem is the political leadership said, strait is open, and the Revolutionary Guard said, no, it ain't, and fired on some ships, so. And the Wall Street Journal had a good rundown of that. We'd all been wondering that. And that might be the crux of the whole problem. In fact, it almost certainly is.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I would love it bring that. And I've got a great piece by Eli Lake, who's actually in charge in Iran, so probably a similar tech.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, but so a lot of the, you know, taco BS or whatever might. Because if you make a threat and then you realize they want to agree, but they can't because they got, you know, a militia that won't allow them to. I mean, do you bomb them and follow through on your threat when they're trying to agree but can't. I mean, that's a difficult situation.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. You can easier either use the fancy political science term, a multipolar power agreement, or you can say nobody's sure who's in charge. But the problem is, if you like to bring enormous pressure against, say, the civilian leadership. We're going to bomb your dams, we're going to take down your electric grid, we're going to smash your bridges, blah, blah, blah. And the IRGC has got at least a 50% say and maybe more. They're saying, yeah, go ahead, we don't care.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

So you've not exacted or you've not applied pressure where it needs to be pressured. And my gosh, if you can't even figure out where to apply it, what's a boy to do?

[Jack Armstrong]

Too many generals on television, all with different takes. We learned, I think from Mike Lyons years ago that there's like a thousands of retired generals out there. So whenever you hear a retired general, it's like the voice of, well, this is, this is, this is the person that knows it's not. It's just another cable talking head who has more experience than you, but it's just like their opinion man.

[Joe Getty]

Anywho, it's a little like saying an attorney says, yeah, he can't do that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, exactly. But so, you know, depending on which cable news channel you flip on, you get different points of view. Like Ms. Now is relentlessly negative and we've lost the war. And this is the biggest mistake any president has ever made. They honestly say that on a regular basis. But I was watching News nation, they had two generals on and first general says at the end of this 48 hours, if they haven't opened this straight, I think we need to follow through on our campaign of wiping out their bridges and power plants and everything. And then so the host said, went to the other general, I think, maybe thinking maybe she'd get a different answer. What do you think? I agree. At the end of 48 hours, we need to apply the pressure we've been threatening. So at least there are some generals out there that think, yeah, we got to bring the hammer at this point or, you know, or what.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. I get so pissed off about the, the organizations and there are quite a few of them, not just Ms. Unwatchable, that their obsession with Trump and their viewers obsession just leads them to outnown anti Americanism. It just makes me insane. So I can't focus on it. It's clearly an oddly progressing conflict for the reasons we just cited about. Nobody's quite sure who's in power, where to exert pressure. But goals will have to evolve and it will be super interesting to see after this next round of, I suspect, the very sort of strikes you were describing. What we decide is and is not achievable. And how we go about achieving that, which is achievable, which may just be. All right, set them back 20 years and keep working on the sanctions and the rest, I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, in democracies, you kind of need the support of the people to prosecute a war very long. And the latest polling is continuing to go the wrong direction. You got the combination of it's bad timing that you had an administration that for whatever reason, didn't feel like they needed to sell this war at all before they launched it to the American people. And that coincided with a time in America where half the country is going to go against the president no matter what they're doing, even during wartime. So you got. Now almost 70% of Americans think the war was a bad idea. And Trump's approval rating is the lowest ever been. I don't know how long you can run a war like that before House members, senators, whoever, start to think, I can't keep going out there and trying to sell this. I can't, I can't change my position just because of who I am. But I actually thought, geez, I wonder how much, if it's 70%, though, I don't know how much. Are you, how many of you listening right now are like, what the, what the hell are you talking about, Jack? Because I still think it was a good idea, necessary.

[Joe Getty]

But

[Jack Armstrong]

the, the, the rooting for the other side thing is, you know, this is, this is new territory. I was just listening to npr, presented it as the ceasefire will hold, as Iran says the ceasefire will. The lagree to the ceasefire as long as Israel continues to not fire on Hezbollah.

[Joe Getty]

So it's.

[Jack Armstrong]

As long as, you know, Israel and the United States do the right stuff, Iran will allow the ceasefire. It's when we do the wrong stuff, it has nothing to do with them doing the wrong stuff like pursuing a nuclear weapon or hanging protesters in the street or whatever the hell it is.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I see the, the Russians, the, some of the dead Soviets rotting in hell saying, boy, this whole undermining the US from within campaign has just been more successful than we even dreamed. They fell asleep. They let their education establishment get taken over by, you know, for a couple of generations. And it worked. It's worked beautifully. When the book of Trump is written like a good one, an authoritative one, they will have to mention that he had almost a magical ability to connect with common people who were of a bent to agree with him and his basic attitudes. I mean, amazing ability by a Manhattan developer millionaire to do that. And an absolutely miserable inability to disarm people who disagree with him and change their minds.

[Jack Armstrong]

Just.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, one of the worst I've ever seen.

[Jack Armstrong]

So we got a really dicey 48 hours to come because the tomorrow is the deadline on the current. You got to open the straight back up or we're going to bomb you. You know, back to the Stone Ages,

[Joe Getty]

the world's weirdest ceasefire, which, again, will lead back into the world's weirdest negotiations. Yeah, just. Just to make myself clear, that comment about Trump being a miserable persuader was about the approval ratings for the war. I don't think anybody's made an even reasonably eloquent case for the war outside of, like, our show, maybe, and others, and certainly nobody within the administration. It's just all so. And I. I don't mind, like, Pete Hegseth's demeanor. Sometimes it's just a little over the top. But chest out, throwing punches, you know, you're either with us or against us. That's great. Unless you find yourself going against the majority of the American people and you have to reach out generously again, disarm them, not punch them in the face, intellectually disarm them. Say, hey, I listen, I totally get you have concerns. They're legit concerns, and I appreciate you bringing them to us. Here's the way I look at it, and it's just like no voice within the Trump administration doing that. I think Marco could probably do it, but he's weirdly kind of sidelined.

[Jack Armstrong]

I appreciated 60 Minutes taking the nuclear threat seriously last night. Like, that nuclear material is dangerous. They were close to getting a bomb, et cetera, et cetera. So that's probably a Barry Weiss influence on that lead story last night, which we will talk more about later. We should start the show officially. I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Joe Getty on this. It is Monday, April 20, the year 2026, where Armstrong and Getty and we approve of this program.

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It's like, we're the United States. We run the oceans. So have somebody on there who speaks English if you don't want to get

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I think they should go with more of a conversational sort of. I'm not the sort of guy that tells other people what to do, but if I were you, I'd get out of the engine room now.

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[Jack Armstrong]

We'll run through some of the headlines coming up and more news from the weekend. Oh my God, did Bill Maher on his show Friday night have a great piece on AI? Oh, shilling piece on AI? Oh no.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, so many of them are.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, and lots of other stuff. I gotta go do a duck update. I got hit up by so many people wanting to know how the Ducks were doing over the weekend. All. All that on the way.

[Joe Getty]

Stay here, Armstrong and Getty.

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Katie. Katie.

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The pregnant news lady is out, so we will handle the headline duties. And here's my first hilarious headline for you.

[Joe Getty]

I got a pretty good one too. Let's have a headline off.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's hard to beat this one. Okay, so China is really trying to take over the world of making cars, you know.

[Joe Getty]

Oh yeah. Doing pretty well at it too. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then we, we might block them from allowing. From allowing them to have their cars in the United States, which is really an interesting thing. Anywho, China develops an incar toilet that they will debut next car show.

[Joe Getty]

Michael. I knew he'd come strong and he did. That's pretty good.

[Jack Armstrong]

Somehow the seat slides back and then there's a toilet there to sit on. And then it's got something to do with the exhaust sucking the smell out

[Joe Getty]

of the car or something. Oh, the Chinese clever devils. Yeah, if you get a self driving car and a toilet.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my God.

[Joe Getty]

That's. That's the second Simpsons adjacent headline we've had today too. Together with weirdest negotiation ever. All right, so that's, that's very good. Mine was going to be from the New York Times to humans who used a bear suit to defraud car insurers are sentenced to jail.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, we've been on that story for a long time. It came to its fruition over the weekend. We'll have more details on that. That's one of our favorite stories all time. We've been talking about that for a couple of years.

[Joe Getty]

Well, finally justice has been done. Because if you go soft on people using bear suits to defraud car insurers,

[Jack Armstrong]

what are you going to get?

[Joe Getty]

You're going to get rampant. People using bear suits, you know the rest of it.

[Jack Armstrong]

The best part of that story is that in the courtroom, the whatever expert they had on there said, it seems to me from the video that is clearly a person in a bear suit.

[Joe Getty]

Is that your testimony, sir? Are you an expert? No, I'm not an expert. I'm just, I'm looking at it. I also like this one. Neighbor attacked for pounding schnitzel too loudly. Really sounds like a euphemism.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

He's actually flattening meat for it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm on the schnitzel. An interesting headline that we'll have to dig into a little more. The repaying the tariffs program has begun. Remember the Supreme Court came in and said that. Yeah, that whole Liberation Day tariff thing you did, Trump, that's illegal. You can't do that. So then immediately the question was, what about all the people that paid? Businesses, individuals, whoever paid all that money? Well, they got a forget whatever it is, $138 billion fund to pay people back and the application process for that. And who gets it? New doesn't sounds impossible, but more on that later.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's probably not intentional. I'm just going to run through a few real quickly here. You may have heard about the domestic horror shooting in Shreveport, Louisiana, I think eight children dead. Good God. Guy lost his mind. Just terrible, terrible, terrible. Moving along quickly because what are you going to say? We need better, better mental health care in America. President Trump signed an executive order Friday after we went off the air to make certain psychedelic drugs more available to treat mental health conditions. Gonna give them a try anyway. Oh, on the other hand, the other side of that coin, what does pot really do to your brain? Science is getting further and further figuring that out.

[Jack Armstrong]

I have got a great poll came out. I think it was Pew. But I'll get into it later. Who thinks pot should be legal? Young people are less likely to think it should be legal than older people. And I wonder if it's because the young people, they're using what pot is now. The old people are voting on what pot was when they were young. Right. And it ain't the same.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

It should have a different name.

[Joe Getty]

It's definitely a possibility. Yeah. And I agree with that last point. Second bear reference in this segment, two US army soldiers based in Anchorage were injured after a brown bear attacked them during a training exercise on Friday. They're currently receiving appropriate medical care. Both soldiers able to ward off the bear using Browns Bear spray Rather well,

[Jack Armstrong]

my son, the Boy Scout is big on the if it's brown, lie down, black fight back, white say goodnight. That's the rules on the bears. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Chilling.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

How about I just fight either way? Yeah, you die tired. Hey, do me a favor. Bite off my head quick. Don't like, start on my liver because that would be really painful. Oh, geez. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And we got to get into this headline later. Students are speeding through their online degrees in weeks. Alarming educators.

[Joe Getty]

College is so easy.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you do it online, they can get through an entire degree in weeks.

[Joe Getty]

Oh boy. I want to hear that. Yeah.

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[Joe Getty]

I love Hypocritical America. I really do. See, liberals suddenly love the Pope. The guy who does exorcism, doesn't believe in gay marriage, no women priests. But now because he's feuding with with Trump, MSNBC loves this guy.

[Jack Armstrong]

He got a big speech on the

[Joe Getty]

floor from Chuck Schumer. Eric Swalwell sent him a dick. Oh, my.

[Jack Armstrong]

Good joke. Bill Maher pointing out what we pointed out last week, that the media, which is atheist, particularly hates the Catholic Church and the Pope. All of a sudden, his word matters above all. And you've insulted him, Mr. Trump. How dare you. Which is just hilarious.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, my God. A president contradicting the Pope. This is terrible. That's hilarious.

[Jack Armstrong]

But anyway, I want to talk about. Bill Maher screeded it on AI. He brought some facts that we've brought before about AI, but this is what I thought was powerful. He said he's been doing that show for 23 years. He said for the first time. Then he does this section at the end, New Rules or whatever it is, this little comedy bit. He said for the first time in 23 years, he seriously considered doing it without jokes because he thinks AI is the most important thing he's ever talked about and people aren't taking it seriously. Of all the things he's been upset about, different wars or Trump or Bush or whatever, he considered doing it without jokes for the first time in 23 years because people just aren't paying attention to what a big deal AI is. And then he gets into all the quotes, which we will get into a little bit later. I would agree. I think. I think. I think people are missing the boat on this. If you're not into it.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I've got a weird, weird counter argument to that, but I'll hang on to it for now. I read with interest. I got all Sorts of alerts over the weekend that the New York Times had a giant expose on the inner workings of the Trump Supreme Court, John Roberts, arch conservative, blah, blah, blah. I saw the headlines and the shadow docket.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I'm glad you're going to talk about this, because I saw the headlines and it looked very scary.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. It's also known as the emergency docket, but they prefer to call it the shadow docket because it's Jack in the shadows. Do you get it?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, I think clearly, I think by

[Joe Getty]

looking at him, I think I do get it. It's absolutely so. And the New York Times went to into great detail about how for more than 200 years, the. The court has worked at a slow, deliberate pace. It weighs written briefs, it has oral arguments. Then they listen, they read, they consult their clerks, they debate in private, they write detailed opinions and dissents and. And chat with each other and the rest of it. Then all of a sudden, all of a sudden, the Supreme Court went apes. In 2016, was it for the first time. It was at the very end of the Obama years when he tried to suddenly change environmental law, the EPA and what the EPA could do. The court put out an emergency stay, and since then they've been doing it a great deal. And the New York Times went to great pains to reinforce their readers absol. Erroneous preconception that the current Supreme Court is somehow stacked and Every decision is 6 to 3, with the Conservatives just slavishly executing whatever Trump wants. You could still claim that in the wake of several big decisions.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

But that's the beautiful part about being in a bubble.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that's what Bruce Springsteen told me last Monday night.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, for God's sake. That brought me down. Oh, I didn't see that one. Doubled me over.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've been listening to tons of Bruce since I went to the concert and really into it because I enjoyed it so much. And I keep thinking, why you're so good at this. Why did you have to do that? Why'd you have to decide to be a MSNBC pundit? But anyway, back to you.

[Joe Getty]

It's like Thomas Sowell is delivering one of his absolutely brilliant, brilliant addresses to an audience, and then he stops down for 10 minutes to play the ukulele and he's terrible. I'm just learning to play this. And this is. What's the name of that song, honey?

[Jack Armstrong]

The Hawaiian song.

[Joe Getty]

And his wife's got a yell from the audience. Oh, that's right. And then he painstakingly. Why Would you do that? Just don't. Anyway, so the New York Times own published these 10 year old leaked emails showing the justices wrote one another before what some now regard as the pathbreaking rule that gave birth to the modern Shadow docket, a 2016 one paragraph order that stayed President Barack Obama's attempt to force power companies away from fossil fuels, something he did without congressional approval, trying to put, as I recall, carbon under the purview of the epa, even though it was never listed as a pollutant. Congress hadn't changed the laws. There's just no reason to do it other than the President wanted it to happen. And the Chief justice wrote blah blah, absent a stay, the clean power plan will cause and is causing substantial and irreversible reordering of the domestic power sector before this court has an opportunity to review its legality. And so we're going to stay it for now. And again, the New York Times took great pains to portray it as some sort of partisan plot. And then I'm appealing to Jed Rubenfeld, who's a terrific professor, one of the sane ones at Yale Law School, author of many books about the law and not a flaming progressive. And he writes because the New York Times told the story as an almost personal clash between the Democrat Obama and Republican appointee Chief Justice Roberts. Some see the leaked memos as proof of how partisan the emergency docket is.

[Jack Armstrong]

Is.

[Joe Getty]

Then he explains it. He says, personally, I don't read the memos that way. To my eyes, it looked like Roberts and the four other justices felt Obama had plainly exceeded his statutory authority, just as the court a few weeks ago in current time found that President Trump had exceeded his authority in the tariffs case. In both cases, a majority of the justices refused to let the president make a massive new policy intervention on the basis of a statute that didn't seem to give him that power. And he says the critique of the shadow docket, that it's a political unprincipled tool of conservative justices recently boosted by the ridiculous KBJ is not. It's just not accurate, he says. And the long and short of his statement, and I think virtually every constitutional lawyer and author that we've ever talked to would agree, it's that the modern president makes sweeping new pronouncements outside of Congress much, much more frequently. Frequently than they did 20 years ago. So that's why the, the emergency docket is busier than it used to be.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, like I said, I just saw the headlines and some of the headlines around the headlines out of this and this was because I think this was the big front page Sunday New York Times story that still for the chattering classes matters. And it was seen as a big revelation of something horrible going on in the Supreme Court. And you're saying it's not?

[Joe Getty]

No, no. He points out that now the emergency rulings have favored Trump. According to one count in 2025, the administration asked the justices for emergency relief 25 times and won 20 of them. But bear in mind that the government has complete discretion to pursue emergency relief, but it only does so in its strongest cases, the ones it thinks it will probably win. As a result, it can be difficult to know whether arguments against the emergency docket should be taken seriously or whether instead they're actually smokescreens for disag with the court's decisions. And he cites a KBJ in particular who's, well, you know, I don't know how deeply we want to get into it, but the long short of it is she makes ideological arguments from the far left that just aren't supportable and then yells that this is an evil, out of control conservative court.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's just not true.

[Joe Getty]

But he does point out, which I appreciate, that there is something wrong with the expanding shadow docket it and they need to get better at it because it used to be rarely invoked, now it's invoked a lot. So for instance, they usually, they announce their the decision with little or no legal reasoning behind it. They just issue the stay. And he mentions one where a district judge had ruled that immigration officers in LA could no longer make brief stops of illegal aliens based on certain criteria. We talked about that last week. The court stayed that injunction in a one paragraph opinion containing not a single word of legal reasoning. Justice Sotomayor passionately dissented with a fair amount of reasoning. And then she says, or he says. To his credit, Kavanaugh wrote a substantial concurrence, which last week prompted a stinging rebuke, blah, blah, blah. But at least he was explaining so people could understand what was going on. So if there's fault to be found in the Supreme Court, if you're gonna do this, fellas, you gotta find like an interim thing between one paragraph, this ain't happening. And like the usual way, long drawn out way it works. But to portray it as some sort of out of control conservative court is once again silly, especially given if you're a student of the court at all. It was an out of control progressive court for like 65 years. Nobody seemed to matter mind much. That's funny, isn't it?

[Jack Armstrong]

So we'll get into Iran in hour two. The war. The strait was open very briefly, then the Iranians fired on a ship, then closed it again. We've never stopped our blockade. Iran tried to run a boat through yesterday. We said, you better stop fired on it. Marines boarded it. So that's where things are. The deadline for the wiping out of their civilization is tomorrow.

[Joe Getty]

That's a little Middle east style hyperbole. It's fine. It'll be fine.

[Jack Armstrong]

Quoting the president, the man who could actually do that if he wanted to.

[Joe Getty]

I want to get more into that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, we'll, we'll get into that in hour two. And a quick duck update in just a second.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Get your trial bag, your jump start trial bag for your dog today. Just cover the shipping. Go to roughgreens.com use the code ARMSTRONG. That's rough greens.com r u f f greens.com discount code ARMSTRONG. Rough Greens. We make any dog food better. I needed some quack greens for the baby ducks. They don't make such a product, I guess. So where. Where did we leave off on Friday, people? I just was following the Twitter and the text line and a lot of people followed throughout the show wondering how the baby ducks were going to turn out if you weren't there. I broadcasted from home because a bunch of baby ducks and a mom had shown up in the pool and couldn't seem to get out. And mom abandoned them, I thought. And we took the ducks in the house and had them living in a box. And then mom came back and then I released the ducks back into the water.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Now the last we all heard was you had released the ducks back into the water. Mama duck was back. Oh, joy. Joy? I asked. Well, you got to get them out of the water again eventually, right? You tried the ramp. Yeah, I seemed to be a successful experiment. That's the last we all heard.

[Jack Armstrong]

I put a ramp in the pool and mama, they swam around in the pool for quite a while. They seem to be really enjoying themselves. And then at some point, I saw mama lead them up the ramp and they went off into the bushes and then off into the park and everything nearby my house. So that's, that's where things are. Seemed like a happy ending. They have not returned.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

Everybody seemed to be perfect, perfectly happy.

[Joe Getty]

Although you don't and now need duck food.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Joe Getty]

I was confused.

[Jack Armstrong]

All the baby ducks followed mama duck out of the pool and they seem to be perfectly happy. Now people have told me that, that since that was successful, that duck is probably going to return to my pool to raise ducks in the future, which is fine with me, I guess.

[Joe Getty]

I don't care.

[Jack Armstrong]

Doesn't bother me. We're not swimming in the pool this time of year.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Okay, that's a good point because I have had a similar situation and the. Pardon the, the Frank talk, friends. But the ducks will crap prodigiously in your pool. But you know, if you're fine with that. You like ducks.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, fine to me. I don't care. Kids don't use the pool anyway, which is what I always suspected about having a pool.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, really?

[Jack Armstrong]

I never wanted a pool in my life.

[Joe Getty]

Sometimes they don't use it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Last year, super hot year, one kid used it twice, the other kid zero.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

It ain't worth it for me.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. I've got to win. We don't have a pool right now. I would really like when my wife gets in one twice a year. I, I a lot more frequently. But yeah, that the costs are year round. Electricity for the pumps to the chemicals, they're a pain to maintain.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it's a lot of work. If you love it, it's just like everything else. It's a lot of work to have a horse or a boat or pool or whatever. If you like doing it, it's great. But if you're not going to do those things, it ain't really worth it. And apparently we're not gonna. So now I got a duck pond is what I have.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Well, put some plants in there and like rocks.

[Jack Armstrong]

A duck pond. I like having a duck pond. I don't need a pool because I've never swimming in it.

[Joe Getty]

Well, world's most gigantic koi pond. Just get the water to, you know, where it's good for fish. And can I get a gigantic aquarium?

[Jack Armstrong]

Piranha, alligators, beavers, otter.

[Joe Getty]

Absolutely. Sure. All otters would be delightful.

[Jack Armstrong]

Some otters. That's what I'll do. We've got milk.

[Joe Getty]

Great. We'll get like a hammerhead shark.

[Jack Armstrong]

That'd be co. Got mailbag. Next. Armstrong and getty duck watch 26 bro. Put the duck back.

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[Joe Getty]

Great choice.

[Jack Armstrong]

Very perceptive. You nailed it. I'm really getting tired of the way chatbots talk to me like they're a junior high cheerleading coach. They gotta quit. They gotta quit. It's driving me nuts.

[Joe Getty]

Here's your freedom loving quote of the day. Continuing on. I think we started this the other day. Quotes from Karl Popper. Dr. Joe and Reno sent these along and I appreciate it. There was some really good stuff here. The enemies of freedom have always charged its defenders with subversion. And nearly always they've succeeded in persuading the guileless and well meaning. That's very much what's happening on today's school campuses. You know, defenders of freedom are the racists and the bigots and the homophobes and the whatever else. It's. That's not free speech, that's hate speech. Yeah, yeah. Well said, the great Carl Popper. Mailbag. Continue on with that series. Little brain food for you to chew on, huh?

[Jack Armstrong]

Too much brain food for a Monday. I don't know if I can handle it.

[Joe Getty]

Drop us a note, would you please? [e-mail] hey guys. The curse. I can't read that. Thanks, Crystal and Marie. You know, it's way too complimentary. Wow. It's just.

[Jack Armstrong]

We read all the hate stuff. Why can't we get something from somebody who likes us?

[Joe Getty]

I know, it's really nice. A lot of you good people write really nice things. We see them, we comprehend them. I can't answer all of them. Thank you for your kindness. Everybody's a grifter. Everything's clickbait right now in the world. We try not to be either. Some of you who are like way out in the ideological spectrum may accuse us being. But we're not.

[Jack Armstrong]

I hope you like that.

[Joe Getty]

Perhaps you'll recommend the show to a friend. To the Duckmaster from the crow whisperer, Kevin the Texas Marine, with some congratulations to Duckmaster Jack for what my co workers have called the Crow Whisperer. That would be Kevin himself. Befriending birds can be fun. I've made friends with crows at my work. One will hang out on my toolbox and talk to me. A couple of my co workers mocked me for it. Yet now leave food for them as well. Crows are amazing. They have. Their communications networks are extensive and their memories last for years and years and years.

[Jack Armstrong]

My son Henry told me the other day, he said, because we saw a crow. He said a crow is as smart

[Joe Getty]

as a seven year old. Yeah, okay. They will Absolutely. Remember anybody who menaces them or I've heard them that offering them a shiny object in the springtime, much like a meth head, you offer a crow some like shiny like tinsely stuff or something for their nest. They will remember you as a friend and somebody who is kind to them. So I got to try that sounds kind of cool.

[Jack Armstrong]

That always reminds me of one of my favorite jokes. The crows seem to be calling his name thought caw.

[Joe Getty]

I love that. Just realize you may have made friends for multi generational animal lives. Can't speak for ducks, but crows and ravens teach their offspring. Who's a good person who's bad Hope Henry appreciates this since my neighbor who fed ducks a couple years ago now has several. Every early spring, am I going to

[Jack Armstrong]

be running from flocks of ducks though?

[Joe Getty]

That being said, anyone willing to save a random animal's life is good person. Update your dating profile with pics in that vid. Thank you Kevin the Texas Marine. Jared, on the other hand, says make sure to remind Jack to tell Hitler Happy birthday today. It's his actual birthday, right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, that's right.

[Joe Getty]

All you stoners and neo Nazis. School Nazis. Right, right. What pot actually does to your brain. Later on in the show, more and more studies coming out. Yeah, yeah, we were talking about. I was talking about how the auto fill in Google gave me a really, really weird result the other day. I was asking about what do you call someone who is attracted? But I just said what do you call someone who is. And it said attracted to robots?

[Jack Armstrong]

And I'm like wait a minute, what the hell?

[Joe Getty]

I was like, I meant like a doctor who treats the foot. I was looking for podiatrists and he gave me that. And Robert writes, my wife recently informed me that the prompts for potential searches that come up are evidently tied to your previous searching and browsing history. Similar to YouTube suggestions, there's more to this note. We'll delve back into that.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's interesting. Okay, we got a lot more on the way. We'll check in on the war with Iran an hour too. If you missed a segment, get the

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