The Wrongest Thing I've Ever Heard

Summary

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Episode: "The Wrongest Thing I've Ever Heard"
Date: January 16, 2026
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty

Episode Overview

In this episode, Armstrong & Getty dissect the political maneuverings of California Governor Gavin Newsom, particularly his recent appearance with Ben Shapiro on Newsom's own podcast. The hosts highlight Newsom's evasive media strategy, especially on contentious issues like gender identity and parental rights, and explore broader social topics, such as declining birthrates, economic responsibility, the ethics of billionaires, and more. Mixing sharp critique, humor, and listener emails, the episode showcases why Armstrong & Getty remain a mainstay for listeners skeptical of political optics and concerned with cultural trends.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Gavin Newsom’s Political Media Strategy

(03:15 - 14:40)

• Newsom’s Political Adaptability:
  The hosts discuss how Gavin Newsom has adapted to the "Trump era" of aggressive and sometimes caustic communication, abandoning the more optimistic, Reagan-style messaging for sharp, sometimes combative rhetoric.
  • Quote, D [Host]:
    “He’s decided I’m going to do it the same way Trump did… Prior to Trump, when did any governor, president, senator, anybody go negative on their Merry Christmas, Happy New Year’s messages?” (04:03)
• Social Media & Podcasting:
  Newsom is capitalizing on new media, hosting his own podcast and inviting right-leaning figures like Ben Shapiro—yet, according to the hosts, this is not really about dialogue, but about “credit” for engaging without risk.
• Handling Adversarial Guests:
  Joe and D speculate that Newsom intentionally cedes the floor to outspoken guests like Shapiro, offering evasive, noncommittal answers to avoid producing viral soundbites that could be used against him.
  • Quote, D [Host]:
    “He knows if he answers some question with a clip anybody can grab, people will hear that… He gets the credit for having the guy on without the sound bite. That was the whole goal.” (08:09, 14:07)

2. Gender Identity, Parental Rights & Political Evasion

(06:29 - 13:37)

• Newsom’s Non-Answers:
  Newsom repeatedly dodges direct questions from Ben Shapiro regarding whether “boys can become girls” or if parents should be notified about social transitions at school.
  • Quote, Gavin Newsom:
    “Health and safety. Health and safety… But this idea that people are going to public schools and coming back, having surgeries and coming back the next day is absurd.” (06:41)
  • Quote, Michael Knowles:
    “The fundamental question… is whether boys can become girls.” (08:45)
  • Quote, Gavin Newsom:
    “Yeah, I just. Well, I think I’m… For the grace of God…” (09:50, repeated at 13:23)
• Host Critique:
  Armstrong & Getty lambast the non-answers as “a master class in evasion,” pointing out the tactical avoidance of making any policy commitment or clear statement.
  • Quote, Joe Getty:
    “If there’s anything to learn from Gavin Newsom, it’s a master class in evasion.” (11:17)
• Policy & Education:
  The hosts bring up the seeming contradiction in teaching gender identity in schools while claiming the affected group is “so few people.”
  • Quote, Joe Getty:
    “If it’s such a vanishingly small number of people, why is that such a big part of the curriculum in California public schools?” (12:13)

3. Notable Quotes and Running Jokes

• Hosts repeatedly parody Newsom’s evasive refrain:
  • “Yeah, I just… Well, I think I’m… For the grace of God.” (13:23, 13:37, recurring joke)
• The hosts joke about using Newsom’s phrase as a catch-all excuse for any tough question or awkward scenario (13:37-13:50).

4. Social Commentary: Birth Rates and “The Wrongest Thing I’ve Ever Heard”

(21:16 - 23:31)

• Declining Birth Rates:
  Discussion of Britain’s record low birth rates and youth perspectives on parenthood. A young woman states she doesn’t want to lose her “sense of herself” by having kids.
  • Quote, Joe Getty:
    “That may be the wrongest thing I’ve ever heard in my life.” (22:12)
• Cancer Survival Rates:
  The hosts briefly discuss improved cancer survival rates and changing statistics, highlighting the importance of up-to-date medical information.

5. Economic Responsibility & Listener Emails

(27:18 - 36:01)

• Intergenerational Debt Metaphor:
  A listener compares governmental debt to a grandparent racking up credit card vacation debt, then passing it to their children.
  • Quote, Joe Getty:
    “That is what we are doing as a society. It is highly troubling that we, as a political system, are so easily conned…we just don’t pay attention to it.” (29:50)
• Billionaires & Marxist Critique:
  The hosts discuss wealth creation, recent left-wing proposals in California like a billionaires' tax, and the ideological opposition to homeownership from activists.
  • Quote, Joe Getty:
    “They have a child’s understanding of what motivates people to produce. If you think nobody should have billions of dollars, do you believe the government should have that money instead?” (35:28)

6. Antisemitism, Right-Wing Factions & Media Personalities

(38:04 - 39:43)

• The hosts read and analyze an email from a self-described alt-right listener, filled with antisemitic language and conspiracy theories about right-wing media figures. They criticize and lampoon the worldview, illustrating the division and toxicity in some right-wing movements.

7. “Boy Aquarium” & Host Banter

(39:54 - 40:12)

• Amidst the heavier political discussion, the hosts enjoy a lighter moment sharing the term “boy aquarium” (“women who like hockey players call going to a hockey game going to the boy aquarium”), showcasing their trademark humor.

8. Greenland Trivia & Cultural Odds and Ends

(43:28 - 45:54)

• Armstrong & Getty marvel at the demographics and lifestyle of Greenland, its high reliance on shrimp exports, and unusually small population—offering comic relief and trivia.

9. Sports Segment: NFL Coaching & Hiring Practices

(46:05 - 48:59)

• The hosts discuss NFL coaching moves, particularly a new coach prioritizing a meeting with the team's quarterback before ownership—using it as a springboard for conversation about communication, workplace compatibility, and sports culture.

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Memorable Quotes (with Timestamps and Attribution)

• “He’s decided I’m going to do it the same way Trump did…” — D [Host], (04:03)
• “If there’s anything to learn from Gavin Newsom, it’s a master class in evasion.” — Joe Getty, (11:17)
• “That may be the wrongest thing I’ve ever heard in my life.” — Joe Getty, (22:12)
• “I just… Well, I think I’m… For the grace of God.” — Gavin Newsom, (09:50, 13:23, recurring)
• “They have a child’s understanding of what motivates people to produce.” — Joe Getty, (35:28)
• “Why are you driving 150 miles an hour with a machine gun in the back? I… For the grace of God.” — D [Host], parodying Newsom, (13:37)
• “If it’s such a vanishingly small number of people, why is that such a big part of the curriculum in California public schools?” — Joe Getty, (12:13)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Intro & Show Opening: 03:01–03:15
• Newsom’s Political Strategy & Trumpification: 03:15–05:55
• Newsom’s Evasive Interview Tactics: 06:29–14:07
• Host Analysis of Newsom/Shapiro Exchange: 08:09–13:37
• Cultural Topics—Birth Rates, Cancer Survival: 21:16–23:40
• Economic Responsibility / Listener Mailbag: 27:18–36:01
• Discussion of Right-Wing Factions & Antisemitism: 38:04–39:43
• Boy Aquarium Banter: 39:54–40:12
• Greenland & Trivia: 43:28–45:54
• NFL/Coaching Stories: 46:05–48:59

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Tone and Language

Throughout, the Armstrong & Getty style is conversational, irreverent, and occasionally biting, blending pop culture references, policy skepticism, and dark humor. They lampoon political double-speak and media optics, while inviting listeners to view both popular and fringe ideologies with a critical, sometimes mocking, eye.

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Summary for Non-Listeners

This episode is a thorough, often humorous, critique of modern political communications and societal trends. Armstrong & Getty analyze Gavin Newsom’s evasive media strategy (with Ben Shapiro as foil), discuss the broader implications of non-answers on controversial issues, and touch on everything from birth rates and economics to sports culture and right-wing infighting. The show’s signature: turning political analysis into a relatable—and often laugh-out-loud—conversation.

Transcript

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Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Gav.

[D]

So Gavin Newsome is turning out to be a more wily political character than I thought he was going to be in terms of attempting to run for president. And I don't know if he surrounded himself with really good people or he just, he's, you know, he's, he's picked up the vibe of our modern times. He's decided to. What's the saying? You say it sometimes, like wrestling with a pig. You don't want to, you get down in the mud, the pig likes it and you get dirty or something.

[Joe Getty]

That's the essence of it. Yeah. Lincoln. Quoting Lincoln.

[D]

It's funny, I heard that the other day and it was attributed to Bill Clinton. It was originally Lincoln.

[Joe Getty]

That's my understanding.

[D]

Don't attribute quotes to Bill Clinton that were Lincoln.

[Joe Getty]

Absolutely not.

[D]

But Gavin Newsom has decided, okay, this is the way.

[Joe Getty]

Monica, come on over here. That was Clinton. Gavin Newsom is still wearing that song, baby. That was, that was also Clinton. Four score and seven years ago. That was Lincoln. Back, back to you.

[D]

He might have made her wear the top hat. I don't know. Could you put on, could you put on the top hat? So Gavin, I think has decided that, okay, this is the era we live in. I could try to go all like Ronald Reagan, you know, forward looking rhetoric and, you know, lead the American people into a new way, but I don't think that's where we are as a nation. I'm going to get, I'm going to do it the same way Trump did. And I mentioned this the other day, Gavin Newsom's New Year's tweet where he said happy New Year to all of the deeply disturbed losers on the far right who support the president. I mean, that is, that is straight out of Trump. I mean, prior to Trump, when did any governor, president, senator, anybody go negative on their Merry Christmas, Happy New Year's, messages.

[Joe Getty]

Only a couple of crackpots through American history who are all widely seen as crackpots.

[D]

And which he went on to say in his in his New Year's Day tweet, we will never forgive him for marching soldiers into our beautiful cities, raising taxes so he can give your money to, to his rich friends, his stupid tariffs, ripping babies away from mothers, throwing grandmas off of health care, blah, blah, blah. He's a total fraud, total coward and total loser.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

Happy New Year.

[Joe Getty]

All about checking the grandma here.

[D]

If I find out an elderly woman.

[Joe Getty]

Doesn'T have her children's children, well, then I keep her on. It's just the grandmas. I hate the grandma.

[D]

And then Gavin ends with fine rhetoric. Happy New Year after that. So, so he's decided I'm going to play in the, you know, the new rules.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[D]

Which might be smart. And one of the things, apparently, is to have a podcast. Gavin Newsom has a podcast and he invited Ben Shapiro, the podcaster and radio show host himself on.

[Joe Getty]

Ooh, mistake, mistake. Ben's in a different weight class than you, Gavi.

[D]

I don't know. I haven't, haven't listened to this yet. But I have a feeling since Gavin didn't actually say much, he let Ben just go on and on and on and on and on a lot. I think I know what the strategy is there, but we've got a couple of clips of the back and forth between Ben Shapiro and Gavin Newsom from Gavin's own podcast. Let's just start with the first one, Michael.

[Michael Knowles]

Why does the parent not have an absolute moral ability to receive that information and requires that a requirement, talking about translation for teachers to turn over that information.

[Gavin Newsom]

Health and safety. Health and safety.

[Michael Knowles]

Parents are there. But if a teacher truly believes that a parent is a threat to a child, they can report it to child services.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Gavin Newsom]

So health and safety is still the standard. So that you maintain that standard. That standard is the law.

[Michael Knowles]

That's a lot of wiggle room for a teacher to apply.

[Gavin Newsom]

It's also. But it's a lot of law in terms of the weight of that law and that responsibility to take care of it, make sure your kids are safe. But this idea that people are going to public schools and coming back, having surgeries and coming back the next day is absurd.

[Michael Knowles]

No, but there are, there are certainly cases in which, in which kids are being, quote, unquote, socially transitioned at school without parents knowing about it. I know some of the parents to whom this has happened.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Gavin, I will credit him and this is a purely cynical analysis. I will credit him with being good at the non answer, the non statement, the evasive series of words.

[D]

Well, I feel completely unenlightened by that clip. I feel like I got nothing out of that on any. In any way whatsoever. But I think what Gavin might be doing here. And so our producer Hansen listened the whole thing and said, it's almost entirely Ben Shapiro talking. It's like Ben Shapiro took over the podcast. I think Gavin, he wants. Nobody. Very few people are going to listen to any of this. Listen to the podcast at all. He knows that if he answers some question with a clip anybody can grab, people will hear that. Like happened on what other podcasts that was on, where he said, well, it's a matter of fairness, you know, and.

[Joe Getty]

He got Charlie Kirk. Yeah, that's right.

[D]

Charlie Kirk. The late Charlie Kirk. The Jews must have told Charlie Kirk to. Or his wife working with the Jews told him to say that. And he traveled in time to. Anyway, Gavin answered one of those questions, got killed. People heard the answer, don't say anything. So he's thinking, I'll get the credit. I'll be able to stand up in a debate. I've had Ben Shapiro on my podcast. I. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Joe Getty]

I'm willing to reach across the aisle.

[D]

I sat there and didn't say anything. Nobody heard the clips, so it did no damage. I think that's the strategy, and I think it's pretty smart. Well, I'd like to hear the next.

[Joe Getty]

Clip, frankly, because I enjoyed the first clip. I thought it was interesting. Go ahead, Michael.

[Michael Knowles]

The fundamental question that lies at the root of all of this is the question that you're not wanting to answer, which is whether boys can become girls.

[Gavin Newsom]

Yeah, I just. Well, I think I'm. For the grace of God. Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

I mean, I appreciate the sympathy. I also feel terrible. Anybody who's suffering with any sort of.

[Joe Getty]

What just happened? Is there like a glitch in the audio or something?

[D]

Well, you know, famous in talk show circles. Clip from the Charlie Kirk show, where it was portrayed by people as Gavin Newsom going soft on the trans issue or something. He didn't say a freaking thing. He's never said anything on any of these topics. And he just did it there.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, there was the absence of advocating for his point of view, but it was a big nothing.

[D]

Can a boy be a girl or a girl become a boy? Well, there but for the grace of God.

[Joe Getty]

For the grace of God.

[D]

What?

[Joe Getty]

What?

[D]

Anyway, let's do it. Again.

[Michael Knowles]

The fundamental question that lies at the root of all of this is the question that you're not wanting to answer, which is whether boys can become girls.

[Gavin Newsom]

Yeah, I just. Well, I think for the grace of God.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, I mean, I appreciate that. I also feel terrible for anybody who's suffering with any sort of.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, I think it's mental or.

[Gavin Newsom]

Physical, but generations for time immemorial, you know, God bless. I just, I, I don't know.

[Michael Knowles]

I just don't understand.

[Gavin Newsom]

I don't know. Why is it such a. I'm curious. I understand the political potency of it.

[Michael Knowles]

It's not politically potent, but it's just.

[Gavin Newsom]

How so few, we're talking about so few people.

[Michael Knowles]

It's not about that, that are, that.

[Gavin Newsom]

Are struggling with, with, with, with, with gender identity issues. A lot of remarkable people, a lot of wildly successful people, and they've gone in their life, have incredible lives. I just, I don't know. There's so much hate and bigotry, so much condemnation.

[Michael Knowles]

This is the part where I start to object. Yeah, okay.

[Gavin Newsom]

The idea that you may not be spewing it.

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[Michael Knowles]

But the app, this is the business. Terrible people who say lots of terrible things. But yes, it is not an act of bigotry to say that a boy cannot become a girl. Nor should my children be taught in K through 12 public schools that a boy can become a girl. Yeah. That is not an act of bigotry. That's an act of rationality and biological simplicity.

[Gavin Newsom]

I respect your point of view.

[D]

Man. I think Ben Shapiro is a, is a, maybe a genius. I mean, he is so good. But Ben, why didn't you stop and say, wait a second. What? You didn't say anything there. Can a man become a woman? You can't just go, well, you know, I mean, it's there but for the grace of God. You know what?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. If, if there's anything to learn from Gavin Newsom, it's a master class in evasion. I mean, there were probably half a dozen different methods of evasion he employed there, including, he was sitting there talking with the very intelligent, very rational, very fair minded Ben Shapiro. And to avoid answering his question, he cited bigots and haters out there in the cosmos somewhere. And Ben certainly tried to say, well, that those people have nothing to do with me. I'm sitting here right now asking you the question, please answer it for me and then we can talk about the bigots.

[D]

Well, I have lefty friends who say the exact same Thing. So it must be an actual feeling that it's such a tiny percentage of the people, and they're good. They're mostly nice people. So why do we talk about this so much? The reason we talk about it so much is that you're teaching my kid this in school, for one thing. And you made me, at my restaurant, change my bathrooms at the point of law.

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[Joe Getty]

Putting you in your bathroom aside for the moment, I would say to Gavin Newsom, if it's such a vanishingly small number of people, why is that such a big part of the curriculum in California public schools?

[D]

That's a good one.

[Joe Getty]

Every single grade has to be taught that boys can become girls. Why is that, if it's such a small deal? And honestly, I know the answer to that question. I don't know if Gavin even does. But again, it springs straight out of Michel Foucault, Frantz Fanon, and all the philosophers of France and then Germany who pushed critical theory as the social Marxism that would win the day. This was in the mid 20th century. And again, they wrote books. Their names are on the spine. They say exactly what they believe, what they want to happen and how they want it to happen. And we are witnessing all of that. But when somebody like me says that's what's happening, then they go paranoid, critical there. What does that have to do with just not being bigoted against transgender girls and. Oh, please.

[Gavin Newsom]

Yeah, I just don't. I think. For the grace of God.

[D]

That's something. I'm going to start answering every question.

[Joe Getty]

Play it one more time. Michael.

[Gavin Newsom]

Yeah, I just. Well, I think I'm. For the grace of God.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. I just. I think that. Give up. By the grace of God. Okay. I just think, you know, I do. By the grace of God.

[D]

So I'm gonna say, if I get pulled over, why are you driving 150 miles an hour with a machine gun in the back? I. I just. I get, you know, there. For the grace of God.

[Gavin Newsom]

Yeah. Well, I think I'm. For the grace of God.

[Joe Getty]

Why do you have lipstick on your face and red hairs on your sweater? Well, I. You know, I think, you know, by the grace of God. Honey. Anyway, I'm going to bed anyway. Love you. Good night. Wow. Wow, wow, wow, wow.

[D]

I do think, though, he's trying to avoid this sound bite that would be played today. Nobody's playing any sound bites that I know of from the Ben Shapiro podcast appearance, and that's what he's trying to avoid. So he gets the credit for having the guy on without the sound bite. That was the whole goal. That'd be my guess.

[Joe Getty]

And if he were to articulate his strategy, it would be. Oh, yeah, just don't give him anything, even if you have to babble nonsense.

[Gavin Newsom]

Yeah. I just don't know.

[D]

I think. Or if he does 90% of the talking and you say nothing. That's not a win for Ben. That's a win for me.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. Nobody will be persuaded. Nobody will hear that and have their mind changed.

[D]

Oh, I completely forgot. Is that. When is the college football championship game? Is that tonight?

[Joe Getty]

Any second now. Something. Looked that up real quick.

[D]

Just saw a tease up there. Miami and Florida and Indiana. I'm looking forward to that one.

[Joe Getty]

Would they have that on a Friday night?

[D]

Probably not.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know.

[D]

We should know this.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[D]

This is the sort of thing you turn on the radio to know from people who supposedly know it.

[Joe Getty]

I could figure it out in 10 seconds.

[D]

Katie, what can you tell me? It's Monday. Monday. Okay.

[Joe Getty]

There you go. They got sub smartphones.

[D]

Why does it make more sense to have it on a Monday than a Friday? Because people aren't busy on a Monday. More eyeballs.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know. I'm much. I'm much more likely to watch the entire thing and all the commercials and everything on a Friday night than a Monday night.

[D]

Me too, actually. Well, people go out on Friday nights. Do they?

[Joe Getty]

And watch football.

[D]

Yeah. And watch football games.

[Joe Getty]

My case. Yeah.

[D]

Anyway.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, whatever.

[D]

They know what they're doing. They're the money makers. They're the. They're the money changers. Or what is that? That their people use. The Jews. Money lenders.

[Michael Knowles]

What?

[D]

It's the Jews again?

[Joe Getty]

What are you. Kansas. Candace Owens. Nick Fuentes.

[D]

Nick Fuentes.

[Joe Getty]

And who hates Candace Owens?

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[D]

And Alex Jones did a show together yesterday mocking Candace Owens and taking her on. If you're into that whole alt right world thingy. Maybe we'll talk about that a little bit later. We got more stuff on the way. Stay here.

[Gavin Newsom]

Yeah, I just. Well, I think I'm for the grace of God.

[D]

Yeah.

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As some of you know, over the years I've amassed a large collection of socks. Around seven or eight years ago, people started noticing my colorful socks on TV and started sending me pairs. So many socks that I thought, why not try to get into the Guinness.

[Joe Getty]

Book of World Records? So after inventorying all of the socks, describing each one, photographing them and putting.

[Michael Knowles]

Them into a 262 page spreadsheet of all 1531 unique pairs, no duplicates, and we've heard back, it's official. I now hold the Guinness world record for the world's largest sock collection.

[D]

Of course, the question from the ladies is, is he available? Congratulations on having the most pairs of socks, sir.

[Joe Getty]

I would like, maybe you can put it on people's driver's licenses. A list of people who reacted to that story with wow, cool. And a list of people who reacted with the hell, no kidding, that's a different person.

[D]

Four big NFL games this weekend. The spreads real quickly. The I'm surprised. The Bills are a point and a half favorite over at the Broncos. I'm surprised by that one because the Broncos have been really good. A lot of people are picking them.

[Joe Getty]

To go to the Super Bowl. Anyways, be about the matchups, Jack. It's all about the matchups.

[D]

Our 49ers, seven and a half point underdogs at the Ospreys. New England favorited home by three over the Texans. And the Rams a road favorite at the Bears by three and a half.

[Joe Getty]

That does not surprise me. It was crazy that the Bears beat the Packers. Anyway, great action though. If it's anything like last weekend. Holy cow. Katie, bar the door. Katie, you don't need to be. It's an expression. I don't have a board bar or a door really. Anyway, should be exciting. So a couple of completely unrelated things. Britain has I think once again hit the lowest birth rate ever. Far, far below replacement. Right, folks wanna have a baby?

[D]

No.

[Joe Getty]

Okay. Let's see.

[D]

That's me reenacting Britain no longer having children.

[Joe Getty]

That's perfect. Yeah. And how common that is across the, the developed world, the Western world. The only thing that's leapt out at me is they talked to one intelligent young woman about why she's not gonna have kids. And she has a list and, and one of the things she would lose, she says, is her sense of herself.

[D]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

To which I would respond, that may be the wrongest thing I've ever heard in my life.

[D]

That's good. I've never heard that phrase before, but that is. That is correct. That is the wrongest thing anybody's ever said. You lose the sense of yourself when you become a parent.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, well, what are you going to do?

[D]

All parents are like, you probably shouldn't be a parent. You have such a lack of insight.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. There is a bunch of stuff to the interview that I found interesting. You know, we don't, we don't really have time for this, but Scott Adams, the Dilbert cartoonist who is much less controversial than the kickings he took in his obituaries in the lefty media would have you believe. But he was a fairly rare death from prostate cancer, particularly aggressive sort. The five year survival rate for all sorts of cancers have jumped enormously in the last decade or so. Wow. For all cancers, it's 70%. Survival's increased from 54 to 69% two decades earlier for regional cancers that have spread beyond the primary tumor, from 17% to 35% for metastatic cancers that have spread elsewhere in the body and all sorts of statistics like that.

[D]

And the information's been going the right way for a long time. So anything you ever heard about any cancer might be outdated.

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[D]

Oh my God, the microwave smells disgusting today. Holy crap.

[Joe Getty]

Somebody trying to dry their socks in there or something?

[D]

I think the overnight guy found some roadkill and brought it in, cooked it up.

[Joe Getty]

Mmm, raccoon. Oh it's so gross.

[D]

And I put my coffee in there and I gotta hold my nose while I heat up my coffee, hoping my coffee doesn't grab some of the smell.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, it will, it will. It'll soak it right up.

[D]

What the hell?

[Joe Getty]

So I'm probably the only person in America who's amused by this, but I remember as a kid that occasionally you'd have a special, a TV special entitled something like the Night of a Thousand Stars. It'd be like a variety show and there'd be like six or seven stars. And I would think there's not a thousand, there's like six.

[D]

Gabe Kaplan, Lily Tomlin.

[Joe Getty]

Exactly. The King Sisters. Anyway, maybe someday when Jack, you are out or sick or something like that, I'm gonna do the show of a Thousand Emails and it'll just all be mailbox cool because a lot of you good people drop us notes that are just really, really well thought out and perceptive and funny or outrageous or whatever and. And we don't have time to get nearly to all of them, which is, you know, fine. But a little bonus mailbag today because we didn't get a chance to do much email during our number one of the show and we try to squeeze in a few. Anyway, here's some of the four described good points, like Rick, formerly of San Francisco area, now Texas. Last week he made an interesting comparison between how as a society we are leaving these huge bills and debt to our children and hardly anybody is paying attention to it, much less up in arms. It's absolutely true. And in comparison, you said if we as individuals did the same thing to our children and grandchildren, we'd be viewed by most everyone as terrible people and monsters. For example, you mentioned, and the premise is that if our personal debts had to be paid by our heirs, for example, you mentioned buying a fancy sports car, much larger house than needed at age 75, knowing it was wasted money, not caring since the bill would be passed to your kids, got me thinking. I couldn't agree with you more on the analogy, but your example didn't go far enough. Because at least with a fancy sports car, two large house, it's an asset, it's tangible.

[D]

That's a good point.

[Joe Getty]

A truly apt example for how we as a generation, a few generations, are screwing. The next generation would be the 75 year old man who pays for a vacation entirely on credit or buys some other experience than he can't afford, then passes that debt to his children.

[D]

Yeah, you have to picture a world where, and this doesn't work this way, obviously, where your credit card debt when you die goes to your kids.

[Joe Getty]

Right?

[D]

But yeah, it'd be more like that. You Got nothing out of it. I went on vacation without you, spent $40,000 and now you're going to pay for it after I die.

[Joe Getty]

And your kids, who are busting their asses, they've got a couple of kids, they can barely make their house payment. The rest of it. And you are, you know, buying drugs and taking cruises on a credit card, you know, they will have to pay off. That is what we are doing as a society. And it's. It is highly troubling to me that we, as a political system are so easily conned, duped, flattered, or bribed that we just don't pay attention to.

[D]

This is a tangent, and I can't give any details because it's somebody I like, but I was in a meal situation recently at a restaurant with a bunch of people. It was known who was paying for the meal. One of the people was paying for the meal. One of the other people, when the waitress came by for the table, let's get a blah, blah, blah. And I was like, did you just order for the table? A bunch of stuff when that person is paying.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[D]

All right.

[Joe Getty]

Well, we get no details. I could see in a very, very few relationships that might be okay. This wasn't.

[D]

This was way out of line. What mindset would that be where I.

[Joe Getty]

Would think that, okay, the American voter. I don't know.

[D]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway.

[D]

Yeah, it's that sort of thing. Is that sort of thing.

[Joe Getty]

Speaking of dollars and. Oh, oh, you know, that reminds me, we. Gosh, we're always in such a hurry, Jack. We need to slow down, relax, smell the roses, etc.

[D]

Touch grass.

[Joe Getty]

Touch grass. Talking about the British birth rate, one of the points that they made. Last segment in that article I touched.

[D]

On was that I don't want to have a baby.

[Joe Getty]

If again, just. It's like I'm right there in the bedroom with a British couple. It's just amazing. Like Brando anyway, that without immigration, the British population would be dropping. And the welfare state of the modern world depends entirely on economic growth and population growth. Without it, it collapses. And nobody will recognize that.

[D]

You have been saying this for years. And it makes sense that the reason these governments allow people to come in is you have to have a growing population to make it work. But I've never heard anybody say it.

[Joe Getty]

I know, I know.

[D]

Wouldn't there be somebody in government, it would say, look, we need to have a growing population to make this whole system function?

[Joe Getty]

They don't want to admit it. They don't want to admit that it's A pyramid scheme, the welfare state. Because it wasn't when it began when workers outnumbered the old 6 to 1. It wasn't. It was a perfectly reasonable system. Anyway, moving along. Speaking of dollars and cents, frequent correspondent Paolo on the topic of billionaires. There are people who believe nobody should have that much money. I know couple of practical questions for those. You want to throw in something there?

[D]

Yeah. Well this was a mom Donmi thing. Mom Donnie thing. That communist housing person.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I got more on her too. She's a frickin fruit. Well she's a Marxist.

[D]

And then we're voting for it in California here soon. 5% one time tax on billionaires because billionaires some they did something sneaky or they wouldn't have a billion dollars or.

[Joe Getty]

They nobody needs that much money. Well, so you're gonna take it from.

[D]

Them and do what with it?

[Joe Getty]

You know what, as long as we're on the topic before we get to Paolo's email real quickly. That co Weaver Marxist bemoaned white middle class homeowners during a recent podcast appearance was a couple of years ago. Her goal she said is to undermine the institute of home ownership. White middle class homeowners are a huge problem for rent the renter justice movement. Unless we can undermine the institution of homeownership and seek to provide stability in other ways. I don't know, it's really difficult organizing situation we find ourselves in. Moving along.

[D]

She's a for real communist. Anybody claiming Mamdani is not a communist. He's not. He come up blah blah blah. This word, that word collectively blah blah. Look who he put in charge of housing.

[Joe Getty]

She's communist.

[D]

Clearly a communist.

[Joe Getty]

There's a little more to this. We need a national movement to pass universal rent control to limit landlords ability to endlessly profit on our homes, to give tenants the right to form a tenants unit where they live and to really block evictions. But rent control is not enough. People need money. We need to tax billionaires and transform that into cash assistance for renters. We need to chip away at homeownership. Blah blah blah. And then my favorite part, this is my favorite part. She also seemed to argue that landlords do not have a legitimate claim of ownership of their properties. Quote, you know if you piss off your landlord you could be forced out. And something that really pisses off your landlord is not paying rent for a year and a half because you can't. Landlords really don't like the idea that a tenant could live. That a tenant could be allowed abled and Allowed to stay in something that they consider themselves to own.

[D]

Consider themselves to own? They bought the building with their own money. They're making the payment.

[Joe Getty]

Well, yeah, she's talking about the renter. Considers that they own that space even though they haven't paid rent in a year and a half. And it ought to be illegal to evict them. Holy crap. All right, back to Paolo's email. Couple of practical questions for those folks who believe billionaires shouldn't have that much money. Do we also need to limit how much value billionaires are allowed to create? Has Elon Musk, for instance, produced so much value for society that he should stop it already and give someone else a chance? Or should he be free to produce as much as he likes but no longer be compensated for it? This line of thinking gets very stupid very fast.

[D]

No kidding.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, they don't think it's stupid. It they think, no, you should just keep creating value and not be compensated for the increase because you have enough money already. They have a child's understanding of what motivates people to produce. If you think nobody should have billions of dollars, do you believe the government should have that money instead? Whom do you think is more likely to produce something of value with a billion dollars? An Elon like character or the government? I'll take my chances with the quirky billionaire, thanks. That's pallo. You know, and my favorite thing to ask these people is, all right, if I come up with a really good.

[D]

Idea.

[Joe Getty]

That one person likes and that makes me a dollar, should I keep my dollar? Well, yes, of course. What if a thousand people like that idea and I make a thousand dollars? Yes, on and on. What if 1.3 billion people really, really, really like my idea and each one of them makes me a dollar, Should I be able to keep those dollars? Well, no, because you have enough already, I guess. How is that evil? Explain that to me. Commie idiots. I'm sorry, that last part probably didn't help the discussion. Let's see. All right, a word from Simplisafe. And then our favorite angry, anti semitic, worst stupid, young, alt right listener who I've ignored for weeks because I don't want to platform that sort of view, but it's interesting to take a look at. We're discussing that sort of ideas, a set of ideas earlier today, so we'll get to it. Simplisafe home security. My gosh, they are fantastic. They do not have a big buzzer go off after your home's already smashed up like old systems do. SimpliSafe uses AI powered cameras outside your home to spot real threats. Instantly alert live agents and then those agents take action while the intruder is still outside. They can talk to them, let them know they're being watched, watch, blast a siren, light them up with a spotlight, call the guy. It's great. It's so different.

[D]

I love having Simplisafe at my home. And you can get 50% off any new system right now, this month only. You know, there are no contracts with Simplisafe because they believe you're going to like it and want to keep using it. Other companies have to rope you into a year or two contract because they think, yeah, you're probably going to leave.

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[D]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I've got some great insight on this phenomenon too. The little Nazi, Nick Fuentes, he's certainly not see adjacent. Anyway, where is that? Okay, Nick Fuentes feels the same way as you guys about Candace and Tucker. They've never been part of the movement. They've always been viewed with suspicion. Seems like their sole purpose is to undermine valid criticism of Israel and Jewish power. It's called skin suiting. It's a CIA tactic. Look it up.

[D]

Skin suiting.

[Joe Getty]

So they're pretending to be part of the cause and coming off as they.

[D]

Or Candace and Tom Tucker. Okay.

[Joe Getty]

Even though I find Tucker's been. Anyway, they're pretending to be part of the cause, then saying idiotic stuff to discredit the cause.

[D]

And that's called skin suiting, right?

[Joe Getty]

Yes. As far as Nick's popularity, what the GOP and Con Inc. Are concerned with is the under 30 crowd. Even the likes of J.D. vance and Don Jr. Can't even go to a Turning Point USA rally without getting pelted with questions about Israel and Jews. Your show will be much more entertaining in about two years when. And oh, I'm about to use a bad word for homosexuals. But you know, obviously we're not using it and get over it. Your show will be much more interesting in about two years when Jack's boys have the same Politics as me. The only white men under 30 who support Israel are beta male faggots. Sincerely, Justin the Truck Driver who support Israel.

[D]

Is that what it ended with?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Anybody who supports Israel are beta male faggots under the sway of international Jewry.

[D]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

Yes, it's interesting. It's like a trip to the zoo. Looking at that.

[D]

That reminds me, I just came across a term you're going to find amusing.

[Joe Getty]

Want to go ahead?

[D]

Boy aquarium.

[Joe Getty]

Do tell.

[D]

Women who like hockey players call going to a hockey game going to the boy aquarium because all the glass around there and you just get the funny.

[Joe Getty]

That is really, really funny. I love that.

[D]

Want to go to the boy aquarium tonight? Okay, we got more on the way. Stay here.

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[Chelsea Handler]

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[Joe Getty]

That.

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[Gavin Newsom]

Hey everybody.

[D]

I heard that a truck in Ireland was carrying a load of seafood when.

[Joe Getty]

It crashed into a ditch and set.

[D]

15,000 live crabs free.

[Joe Getty]

Pretty much the best case scenario after.

[D]

Telling your friends I got crabs from a truck driver.

[Joe Getty]

That's a. That's a coarse joke and I don't approve.

[D]

You. Yeah, I found that off putting.

[Joe Getty]

I wouldn't expect to see crabs on the menu in Ireland, but that makes me an ignoramus I guess they got an ocean.

[D]

That reminds me I was watching Mark Halperin's man. If you like news, you really ought to check out his podcast or video casts he puts out on YouTube every day. Day he does a really good newscast. Anyway, he did a deep dive on Greenland with all kinds of interesting information. I didn't know about Greenland. Anyway, they're almost entirely a fishing exporter. I mean it's like almost a hundred percent and most mostly shrimp.

[Joe Getty]

I mean it's like I said yesterday. Yeah, shrimp and subsidies. They are a. That's all they got.

[D]

They are the biggest socialist anything subsidized group of people anywhere in the world. As you were pointing out yesterday but all leaning on shrimp. You have it. I mean you talk about a non diversified. It makes the the Arabs and oils seem like they're the United States.

[Joe Getty]

Right?

[D]

If the shrimp thing goes south, we're all we're all doomed is something.

[Joe Getty]

But you just gotta make sure people don't hear the message from big crawdad.

[D]

So the population is what, about 50,000 people you mentioned yesterday? It's like the size of Mexico, which I didn't have a good grasp. It's five California's in size. That's easier for me to grasp because I've driven back and forth top to.

[Joe Getty]

Bottom California many times.

[D]

California is very, very large. Greenland with 55,000 total people is five California's. That is stunning in terms of size.

[Joe Getty]

There are individual suburbs of like all of the big cities in California and some of the medium sized cities, cities that are double and triple the size of the entire population of Greenland.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Individual towns with nice houses in a, in a high school, a new high school they just built.

[D]

Yeah, like the college town I live in is bigger than the population of Greenland.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[D]

And as you said yesterday, they have less than 100 miles of paved road in a country that size. Wow, that is like. It's so not part of the modern.

[Joe Getty]

The first world, rest of the world.

[D]

It's just, it's incredible.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, it's, it's, it's an untamed, icy wilderness.

[D]

NFL action this weekend, which I'm very, very excited about. And I know a lot of our audience is just based on our demographics. John Harbaugh, one of the best coaches in all of the NFL is going to the New York Giants. And I just thought this was interesting. I wonder what your take is on this. Before he signed with the Giants, so they wind and dined him him, it took him out to a fancy restaurant and he met with the owners for a long time and everything like that. And he ended up agreeing. He said, I'll be back. And they all kind of shook hands and laughed. And so the sign that that's an agreement and he's gonna make $20 million a year for five years. $100 million. Nice money if you can get it, Wolf. But he met with the quarterback for two hours before he met with the owners. And that is being seen as like. That was the. What he needed to decide whether or not he wanted to go there. What do you suppose he talked to the quarterback, the young up and cominging quarterback about before he decided to come there? What would you guess?

[Joe Getty]

That's, that's a really interesting story slash question. I would guess it was that he wanted to make sure that he could communicate with him that they, you know, they, they, they. What's the word? The kids, they vibed.

[D]

You Think it was a vibe.

[Joe Getty]

Talk to him about his system and. Yeah.

[D]

I mean, because.

[Joe Getty]

Because you're coming in as essentially the CEO and you've got a star performer. You've got the guy who the company all looks to, your salesman or a scientist or whatever. You got to make sure you get along with the guy. I think that's it.

[D]

Interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Tell them about your system and say, I know it's going to be disruptive for you, but here's how I think it'll be great for you as a player. I've looked at you as a player, and we're going to free you up to do the things you do best, blah, blah, blah, blah. Make sure they can come to an agreement. Agreement. Because if they can't, if they butt heads, like, right away, like, you know, like Aaron. I'm always pissed off. Rogers, in the last couple of stops he's made, that's just. That's. That's a recipe for failure. That's my best guess. Yeah.

[D]

And you think if he went and met with him and just, like, just didn't like him, he said, I don't want to deal with this guy every day.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. He. He could have the option of going to the owners and saying, hey, and I don't remember the kid's name. The Giants. I pay more. More attention the west coast teams these days. But. But he's a Jackson Dart. Jackson Dart, of course. With an X. Yeah. Very cool name. Anyway, he'd say, yeah, it's Jackson and I don't get along. So are you comfortable with, like, looking for another quarterback if you hire me, or do you want to keep looking for a coach who gets along with this guy? It's probably because John Harbaugh had all the options in the world. Right. The Ravens just got rid of them because they wanted to excite their fan base. Hey, it's change. It's new. It's a. We're getting rid of one of the great coaches in the game, but this is new.

[D]

Yeah. Well, his brother is coaching what's left of the 49ers tomorrow. And all the injuries are caused by an electromagnetic force, according to an article in the Washington Post today. Maybe we'll talk about that later. That's an interesting story.

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[Chelsea Handler]

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