The Yoke of Taxation

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: The Yoke of Taxation
Date: September 4, 2025
Podcast: Armstrong & Getty On Demand (iHeartPodcasts)

Episode Overview

In this episode, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty blend humor, political commentary, and cultural observations as they discuss the ongoing debate about taxation on tips, government spending, the Super Bowl experience, recent political hearings, the reporting on COVID data, and a surprising new study about sea level rise. Through spirited banter, they critically examine current policies and public discourse while keeping the tone light and engaging.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Political Gossip & Congress Antics

• Senate Hearings & Politician Jabs
  • The episode kicks off with irreverent jokes around politicians (notably Cory Booker’s engagement and Rashida Tlaib references).
  • The hosts react in real-time to clips of Elizabeth Warren grilling RFK Jr. about pandemic data and CDC trustworthiness.
  • They frame congressional hearings as “gotcha fests” aimed at viral moments over substance.
    • Quote: "It's a gotcha fest. It's just an attempt to get you to lose your temper or put you in a position where you can't answer the question." — Joe Getty (44:00)
  • Both voices mock the lack of constructive dialogue in hearings, suggesting that meaningful exchanges would be far more productive for the country.
  • Memorable moment: Jack jokes about Karl Marx's beard being "reanimated and come to life" as they watch the Senate (10:19).

2. COVID Data, Vaccines, and Public Confusion

• Armstrong and Getty highlight confusion around COVID death statistics, citing divergent incentives for hospitals and flaws in reporting.
  • Quote: “They would count it as a COVID death if you died of a heart attack, but also had COVID.” — Joe Getty (10:46)
  • They play and dissect a pointed exchange between RFK Jr., Elizabeth Warren, and the (hypothetical) Secretary of Health and Human Services regarding the reliability and availability of COVID fatality and vaccine efficacy data.
    • Quote: "You have had this job for eight months and you don't know the data about whether the vaccine ... that's the problem, the data by the Biden administration absolutely does." — Jack Armstrong (24:20)
  • The hosts discuss the broad chaos and accuse both the CDC and broader government of not tracking or reporting meaningful numbers accurately.

3. Super Bowl Experience – The High Cost of Attendance

• Joe Getty reveals his plan to finally attend a Super Bowl in person is dashed after learning of ticket prices exceeding $10,000—even without travel/hotel costs (05:44).
• They riff on comedy schemes for sneaking into the event, referencing past experiences sneaking into concerts and posing as stadium vendors.
  • Memorable moment: "How about the vendor uniform walk in backward, if they don't notice you, I get." — Jack Armstrong (06:16)

4. Ukraine War Policy and US Involvement

• Coverage of shifting US positions on Ukraine, referencing reporting by Mark Halperin.
• They note the binary approach of "all-in or all-out" on US support and scoff at the oversimplification.
  • Quote: "Trump's either going to go all in on helping Kyiv and Europe win the war or he's going to walk away. Those two choices." — Joe Getty (08:10)
• Both suggest gray areas exist, dismissing the idea that policy decisions can be so clear-cut.

5. Sea Level Rise Study and Climate Change Narratives

• Highlight a new Dutch peer-reviewed study suggesting actual local sea level rise is much lower than what has been projected by models (12:00–16:00).
  • Quote: “It's crazy that it had not been done. I started doing this research in 2021 ... and there were none to study.” — Jack Armstrong (12:54, quoting Voortman)
• The hosts challenge narratives driven by models, critique the financial incentives behind crises, and liken current climate panic to previous historic scientific scares.
  • Quote: "A crisis, whether real or imagined, is the reason given to move enormous amounts of money around—from taxpayers to the recipients of taxpayer money." — Jack Armstrong (15:30)
• They express skepticism about whether such research will ever break through the dominant narrative.

6. Taxation on Tips & The 'Yoke' Metaphor

• Detailed exploration of the new middle-class tax cut bill and its provision to eliminate taxes on tips (31:08–39:22).
• They discuss the practicality, anticipated loopholes, and the surprisingly narrow scope (only 2.5% of Americans work in tipped jobs).
  • Quote: "The suffocating oppression of taxation will no longer crush the humble American rickshaw operator." — Jack Armstrong (39:13)
• Dissect the Treasury’s list of 68 jobs eligible for the deduction—finding humor in unexpected inclusions (e.g., strippers, musicians, locksmiths, rickshaw drivers).
• They riff on the absurdity of government-picked winners and losers among tipped occupations.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I was listening to Al Gore.” — Joe Getty (12:19), on why he put his house on stilts.
• “Are you a trustworthy person? ... If you had an employee who told you they weren't trustworthy, would you ask them to resign, Senator?” — Jack Armstrong, channeling RFK Jr. (45:06)
• “We are so ill served by both our media and our leadership. It’s really discouraging.” — Jack Armstrong (48:57)
• “Seventy miles from my house, I thought I'd save money, but the cheapest ticket was ten grand!” — Joe Getty (05:44)
• “Declare it. Or not.” — Jack Armstrong (36:42), about cash tips.

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Political & personal banter (04:15–07:27)
• Ukraine war update & US policy (07:27–10:10)
• Congressional COVID hearing & data confusion (10:10–16:11; 23:37–24:59)
• Sea level study and climate skepticism (12:10–16:26)
• Taxes on tips—policy breakdown and jokes (31:08–39:22)
• RFK Jr. vs Elizabeth Warren exchange (clip & analysis) (23:37–24:59, 44:33–47:20)
• Final Thoughts (personal reflections, Super Bowl, health & beer) (50:21–51:48)

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Flow & Tone

The tone is fast-paced, irreverent, and skeptical—typifying Armstrong & Getty's signature approach. They poke fun at themselves, politicians, and the general public, while still engaging deeply with the issues at hand. Frequent asides, dry humor, and sarcasm are prominent throughout. Occasionally, segments are punctuated by affectionate self-mockery or nostalgia, as in their discussions about sneaking into events or enjoying simple pleasures in Europe.

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Conclusion

This episode of Armstrong & Getty provides listeners with a humorous yet critical review of recent headlines about taxation, government spending, public health policy, and media coverage, tying the themes together under the concept of “the yoke of taxation.” By serving up skepticism, wit, and a little policy breakdown, the hosts succeed in making complex (and often frustrating) issues accessible and entertaining—while never letting listeners forget to question the motives and narratives behind the day’s big news.

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Useful for those who missed the episode:

• Grasp the heart of current debates about taxing tips and the political mechanics behind policies.
• Understand how COVID data confusion and climate reporting are questioned, both in media and by policymakers.
• Get a taste of Armstrong & Getty’s comedic approach to current events, with healthy doses of skepticism and snark.

Transcript

[Jack Armstrong]

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Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

And now here's Armstrong and spaghetti. 56 year old lifelong bachelor Cory Booker finally engaged.

[Joe Getty]

Interesting. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Which means Rashida Tlaib is no longer.

[Joe Getty]

The only one with a beard.

[Jack Armstrong]

Two jokes, price of one. Wow. Oh, who it wasn't? It was Ilhan Omar. I've been meaning to bring this up. Her her latest financial disclosures say she's worth as much as $30 million all of a sudden.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. As happens with lots of people in government.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Speaking of government, Elizabeth Warren is on the war path. Hey, how are you? Hey, how are you? She is currently grilling RFK Jr. I don't know what they're saying, but she's shaking her head and smiling in disbelief and he's waving his hands around and shouting so we'll bring that to you when we get it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm surprised that she's attacking him as he does have red skin.

[Joe Getty]

That's true. I earlier on the show committed to I'm going to go to the super bowl this time. I've never been to a Super Bowl. I would like to have, I'd like to have the experience to be able to talk about on the air. And super bowl is always the same as my age, so it's always been easy to remember It's Super Bowl 60. I'm 60 years old, but it's local so it's like 70 miles from my house so I wouldn't need a hotel or airfare. So I was just asking a someone I know who has been to many Super Bowls supporting their favorite team. Since I don't need airfare or a hotel, what is it going to cost Me a couple thousand dollars to get a ticket. And this person said, last time I went, cheapest ticket I could find for one person was ten grand.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, what?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, that can't be, can it?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I don't know what they could find or how hard they looked, but.

[Joe Getty]

They have connections, so I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

It could be that the real football fans snap up the cheap seats because that's the best they can do. And it's all corporate geeks who have the. The high dollar ones who, like, free up their tickets.

[Joe Getty]

There's got to be a way. Anyway.

[Jack Armstrong]

How about the vendor uniform walk in backward, if they don't notice you, I get.

[Joe Getty]

I buy. I buy one of the hot dog things I get, right? I do a little research, find out what the uniforms look like. I get a. I buy one on Etsy or have one made.

[Jack Armstrong]

And you act like you just walked out of the exit and say, oh, my God, I forgot my hot dogs. You gotta let me back.

[Joe Getty]

I forgot my tongs.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. I can't just hand him a hot.

[Joe Getty]

Dog with my bare hand.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's disgusting. I gotta get back in there.

[Joe Getty]

Sure, that would work. And then, of course, I don't have a seat, so I have to walk around the entire super bowl with my hot dog outfit pretending I have hot dogs. Everybody's yelling me, hey, I'm starving. What the hell? I don't have any.

[Jack Armstrong]

I actually did that once. It's. It's a line from a who song. People walking sideways pretending that they're leaving. I actually did that at the intermission of concert once and got in.

[Joe Getty]

Really?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Interesting. Okay, I'll keep that in mind for the future.

[Jack Armstrong]

Great show, too. It was Stevie Ray Vaughan in, like, 1984, so. 84. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

The war in Ukraine is still. Now Bernie is waving his hands around and all worked up saying something like that.

[Jack Armstrong]

But we'll get to that later.

[Joe Getty]

The war between Russia and Ukraine continues. Remember all that excitement from a couple of weeks ago and Putin and Trump. Trump met and all that. Nothing came of that. So the European leaders are meeting today to talk about what they can do in terms of security guarantees to try to bring this thing to an end. And they're asking Trump, basically, you know, what can we count on from the United States? The Trump administration is offering air power and intelligence, although, you know, it's a very vague term, so the. The devil would be in the details on that, too. Trump today, just a little bit ago, said he's really pushing Europe to stop buying Russian oil once and for all quit buying oil from Russia and, and to punish China for their backing of Russia throughout this whole thing. And we'll see where that goes. I thought this was interesting reporting from Mark Halpern, who has a lot of sources in all levels of government. Today. He said the time is almost up on Trump's deadline of 50 days or whatever, you know, for the, for the hardcore sanctions. The conversation, the binary conversation that's being had in his administration, according to Mark Alpin's reporting, is Trump's either going to go all in on helping Keev and Europe win the war or he's going to walk away. Those two choices. Got to go all in with Europe to help Ukraine win or not our deal, not our circus, not our monkeys.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Huh.

[Joe Getty]

I'd say, huh.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. And I'm not even sure what to make of that because there's gray area.

[Joe Getty]

I'm sure it's not all in all in because we went all in. We would, you know, launch a nuclear strike on Moscow.

[Jack Armstrong]

But, well, an all out is a bit fuzzy too from me. I mean, if like Britain says, hey, we want to a bunch of these missiles, he'd say, no, you can't.

[Joe Getty]

No, I'm sure we would never stop selling stuff to people. But if we pulled our intelligence that were, I mean, that's very valuable.

[Jack Armstrong]

Don't do that. That would be a big move.

[Joe Getty]

I personally am voting for a closer to all in than all out. I'll tell you that because I think it's important to the message it sends the rest of the world. But I know a lot of you're.

[Jack Armstrong]

A neocon and a warmonger or some chicken hawk. I'm just, I'm trying to save people that the trouble of writing their angry text and. Or email. Yeah. Oh, speaking of global issues, I thought this was interesting new first of its kind of jump.

[Joe Getty]

So I'm just reading the. What CNN's got up there, man. Bernie is waving his arms around like he's out of his mind and RFK Jr is fighting back also. So I don't know what they're talking about.

[Jack Armstrong]

Karl Marx's beard has been reanimated and come to life.

[Joe Getty]

But apparently Kennedy said at some point, and he's right, nobody has any idea how many people died of COVID And Elizabeth Warren said, how could you possibly be so ignorant? No, we don't know. We know that we don't know because that was well documented toward the end of all this that they would count it as a COVID death if you died of a heart attack, but also had Covid.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes.

[Joe Getty]

If you got hit by a car.

[Jack Armstrong]

Killed yourself because your wife left you. Right.

[Joe Getty]

Or if you got hit by a car and you had to happen to have Covid when you forgot to look left when you stepped into the crosswalk.

[Jack Armstrong]

Because there were huge financial incentives for hospitals to deal with COVID patients. Right.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway. Elizabeth Warren. What a crank she is. Please.

[Joe Getty]

She speaks with fourth tongue. We all know it.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's. That's true enough. Speaking of which, as I began to say, a new first of its kind study by Dutch researchers finds no evidence of a global acceleration in sea level rise because of climate change. This is a peer reviewed study. A global perspective on local sea level changes is published in the Journal of Marine Science and Engineering. It's the first study to be based on local data taken from coastal sites around the world rather than on models based on extrapolations. The study conducted analysis of more than 200 tide gauge stations worldwide. And it cuts against the long standing belief among climate scientists and activists that the climate change is leading to rapidly accelerating sea level rises. The research conducted by a Dutch couple of guys you've never heard of, found that the average rate of sea level rise in 2020 is only around 1.5 millimeters per year. I was worried about that. 15 centimeters per century.

[Joe Getty]

That ain't a lot. I spent all that money to put my house on stilts for nothing. Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know where your house is. That was cautious.

[Joe Getty]

Well, yes. I was listening to Al Gore.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. So climate scientists and scientific literature and media have been saying 3 to 4 millimeters per year. So this is meters per year. Well, that's the, the harem scarum.

[Joe Getty]

I can't even imagine how you measure that. That's so tiny.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And. And so what they're saying is the, the actual rise is either a half of that or less than a third. I'm sorry, around a third, depending on which number.

[Joe Getty]

One millimeter a year. How could you possibly measure that?

[Jack Armstrong]

The one scientist said he could not believe that no researcher who had come before him had performed an analysis of real world local data. The scientist name is Voortman. He says, quote, it's crazy that it had not been done. I started doing this research in 2021 by doing the literature review who has done their comparisons of the projections with the observations and there were none to study.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. So it's all been models that, as we all know, could be way wrong. And they use those projections.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Wow. And interestingly enough, this was done with External funding. This was a hydraulic engineer who's involved in flood protection and coastal infrastructure adaptation projects all over the world. And he said, I just need to know the facts. And I couldn't find anybody looking at actual data.

[Joe Getty]

Be like, if you're trying to predict how fat you're going to be without ever weighing yourself.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

You're just guessing based on if you continue to eat pie at the rate you eat pie, you could be £9,000 by next year.

[Jack Armstrong]

And this Voortman guy said, well, how much did you gain? Like, you know, 2022 and 2023. And the answer came back. Nobody's actually, like, weighed Jack. And he's. And his response is a very polite. Are you effing kidding me? So for the vast majority of stations, he says the differences between the two curves were not significant. That gets deep into the methodology. Anyway, his takeaway is that, no, the sea level are rising, but at a fraction of what they're said to be rising. And there are only a very small percentage that showed notable increases or decreases in sea level. The rest were practically the same.

[Joe Getty]

Hmm.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, is this gonna be completely debunked.

[Joe Getty]

In our lifetimes to where it just, like, becomes a. A story for the history books?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. It'll be referenced in the same way that we reference the coming ice age harem scarum talk of the 1970s. Yeah, I. I think so, sincerely. And I don't have a. A seal on this ice floe. I hate to say I don't have a dog in the fight because I find dog fighting. Abh. But, yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't have a herring in this seal feeding frenzy. But, no, I think we're going to realize, yeah, the climate is changing. The climate is always changing. Human activity has had some effect on it. But one of the effects has been global cooling, which I think I talked about a few weeks ago, because some of the particulate matter in the air blocks sunlight, and so it's actually cooled the globe. And it's actually more complicated than that. That's not a good thing necessarily, if it's true. But what you need to always, always, always remember is that a crisis, whether real or imagined, is the reason given to move enormous amounts of money around.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

From taxpayers to the recipients of taxpayer money. It can be global warming. It can be.

[Joe Getty]

The.

[Jack Armstrong]

The police need to be defunded because of an alleged penchant for killing black men. It can be a werewolf epidemic. It doesn't matter. It's just important to have a crisis to justify the moving of enormous amounts of money.

[Joe Getty]

Right? And just human nature. I mean, so even if you believe the first study, when another study comes along that would take away your livelihood and the billions of dollars you want to spend on various things, how likely are you to pay attention to that as opposed to, you know, stick it in the desk drawer and worry about it later?

[Jack Armstrong]

Why did the Biden administration, in their last moments in office dole out billions of dollars to the likes of Stacey Abrams and people like that? Because every single GD person involved in the whole green thing votes Democrat all the time. So you keep them financed. It's entirely a measure to retain power, nothing to do with the level of the ocean in the Netherlands and everyone knows it. And everyone knows your bad built butch body.

[Joe Getty]

You're right. I don't know if any of this RFK junior stuff is actually good. If it is, we'll play it for you. Stay here.

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Ugh.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient.

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[Joe Getty]

He'S running mutation. White male covered in mud and underwear.

[Jack Armstrong]

Nah, man.

[Joe Getty]

You had a chance. You had a choice. I was scared, bro. Okay, what's that?

[Jack Armstrong]

I was scared, bro. Headline man covered in mud wearing only a Speedo. Runs from Idaho Springs. Police. Why don't they have this guy's first name?

[Joe Getty]

What did the miscreant done?

[Jack Armstrong]

They were trying to serve warrant credit card fraud and stolen identification. But they found him in the hot springs mud bath and confronted him about his alleged credit card fraud. Oh, his name is Alec Bogus, but is so totally bogus what you did with my credit cards. Alec Bogus. Bogus denied the claims before the officers mentioned the warrant. From a different county. Told him he'd be going to jail. Well, not putting up with that. He leapt from the mud in his Speedo and. And, and, and took to the hills.

[Joe Getty]

Excellent plan. Because people always get away and then they never hear from the police again and they just go on to live perfectly fine lives. Happens all the time, right?

[Jack Armstrong]

The cops who have your name and address and your charges and a warrant and the rest of it, they'll just get bored and move on.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, hands.

[Jack Armstrong]

Totally bogus.

[Joe Getty]

Which of these clips is the very best clip of RFK Jr being grilled by someone, which is your favorite executive.

[Jack Armstrong]

Producer Mike Hanson whispering into our ears?

[Joe Getty]

Except he's not whispering into my ear because he doesn't know what the best one is.

[Jack Armstrong]

If he doesn't, who does?

[Joe Getty]

I don't want that one.

[Jack Armstrong]

I hate to have Elizabeth Warren's voice on the air at all if I can avoid it.

[Joe Getty]

Let's go with 36 to just. Again, some basic facts.

[Jack Armstrong]

Do you.

[Joe Getty]

Do you accept the fact that a.

[Jack Armstrong]

Million Americans died from COVID I don't know how many. You're the Secretary of Health and Human Services.

[Joe Getty]

You don't have any idea how many.

[Jack Armstrong]

Americans died from COVID I don't think anybody knows because the.

[Joe Getty]

There was so much data chaos coming.

[Jack Armstrong]

Out of the CDC and there was diverse incentives, and these are models.

[Joe Getty]

You don't know the answer of how.

[Jack Armstrong]

Many Americans from COVID This is the Secretary of Health and Human Services. Do you think the vaccine did anything.

[Joe Getty]

To prevent additional deaths?

[Jack Armstrong]

Again, I would like to see the data and talk about the data. You have had this job for eight months.

[Joe Getty]

And you don't know the data about.

[Jack Armstrong]

Whether the vaccine that's the problem is.

[Joe Getty]

That they didn't have the data.

[Jack Armstrong]

The data by the Biden administration absolutely does.

[Joe Getty]

I think we get the gist of that. So. But on that one, I think there's going to be some questions that I agree with the questioners about. Like Cassidy, the Republican was beating him up pretty good on some things he's done that is in effect denying people the opportunity to even get vaccines if you want to get them. But we don't know how many people died of COVID because of the way they were counting.

[Jack Armstrong]

We don't know the day the data was chaos. As a rfk, he's right about that. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And since you don't have any idea.

[Jack Armstrong]

How many people died. Bull crap.

[Joe Getty]

I know all of these hearings.

[Jack Armstrong]

You've had this job for eight months and you still don't know. I just told you no because the data is ridicul.

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[Joe Getty]

Ah, come on.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient.

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The show today on day one of the NFL season to go to the super bowl this year as I've never been then I was talked out of it in subsequent hours. So I will not do that. I was talked out of it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why? How in two hours time.

[Joe Getty]

A fellow broadcaster has been a handful of times said they have been and have nothing to add to talking about the super bowl having been multiple times. Oh. Which is the only reason I would go because I just always assumed there'd be all kinds of stuff that I would experience. It'd be fun to talk about. But they said that is not true because it is so overwhelmingly a made for TV event. It's not, you know, for a regular season baseball, NBA, you got to be able to get fans in there. You got to have the fan experience. Has got to be good enough to make the whole thing work. The super bowl doesn't.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

They have fans there for all kinds of corporate reasons. And you know, it'd be weird if the crowd was, if it was an empty stadium. We don't need them. It's a multi billion dollar four TV event and nothing to gain by being a fan according to them.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Maybe we can pursue this off the air. I, I have faith in your ability to observe and tell tales.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And. And make it clear how not fan oriented it is if you're there. Which interest.

[Joe Getty]

If I could go for free that would be worthwhile. But $10,000? Probably not since I could fly to Hawaii, spend a week in a nice hotel, watch it on TV and fly back for the same amount of money.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, you got a point there. So speaking of money, look, the whole no tax on tips thing in the big beautiful bill which is now the middle class tax cut bill, the middle class opportunity bill, they changed the name of it.

[Joe Getty]

I didn't know that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, they're, they're yeah. Trying to like change the name of it in the popular consciousness for the purposes of winning the midterms and because you know, Republicans in general are up against not only the Democratic Party but the entirety of the media practically. And so people for instance get the idea that the bill actually raise taxes on the middle class to cut it for billionaires or the billionaires get the biggest benefit which even the New York Times has debunked. But that's what a lot of people think. So yeah, they're trying to re spin it by renaming it. But anyway, the whole no tax on tips thing is ridiculous and always has been. It was just an effort to Win Nevada, which is fine. You have to win to hold office. Although, you know, I do have a little bit of sympathy for the idea that a. A tip is a gift, it's not a wage. But anyway, the list of who gets to deduct it and who doesn't is a bit unintentionally funny because it's not all taxed or tipped employees. But the list of who does get to deduct it up to $25,000 is. Is interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Well, there's going to be a lot of effort, too, to restructure your. The way you're paid at your job so that some of it could be called a tip. Maybe we can do that. Maybe if we could get a big chunk of our salary, be called a tip, then we don't pay taxes on it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, so we were talking earlier about how NFL teams play, pay the minimum salary to the superstars, but they then give them ginormous signing bonuses because you can amortize that over many, many years to keep under the salary cap anyway. Yes, we should be tipped, and generously 20%.

[Joe Getty]

I think we had good service.

[Jack Armstrong]

Guessing game just for chuckles. What percentage of Americans work in tipped jobs tipped industries?

[Joe Getty]

I'm gonna go 10%.

[Jack Armstrong]

2.5.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

I would have missed that completely.

[Joe Getty]

And I thought I was going low, so. It's very low. Okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. I wasn't trying to hang you out to dry or anything. I just. I was surprised by that number. It's about 4 million Americans.

[Joe Getty]

That's all.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Initially, it was unclear what jobs the tax deductions would apply to. Now the Treasury Department has settled on an expansive but fair list and released it this week. Policy in effect through 2028 on tips up to $25,000. That's the maximum deduction. The 68 jobs that qualify were separated into eight categories by the Treasury Department.

[Joe Getty]

What's with the. They hand you the thing with your credit card sticking out at the top, and your choices are like, it's not 20. Usually the choices are 18, 22, and 15 or something like that. What is that trick? They're hoping that you'll round up. You think, well, I'm not the kind of person that's going to stick them at 18. I guess I'll go 22. Unless you want to do custom, and then you press custom and you got to go to another screen and you got to type in the numbers and you just don't want to do it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I believe you have answered your own question quite accurately.

[Joe Getty]

Okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's exactly. It Virtually every single thing we ate in Europe was like that. They show up with a little machine, bingity, bangity, bangity. You've paid, you're gone. There's no. They bring you the check. You quick go for your credit card. But they've walked away already and they finally come back and get your credit card. Fifteen minutes later you're like, where the f are they? I want to get out of here. No, none of that. None of that. It was great.

[Joe Getty]

I was gonna give you three quid, but I'm only gonna give you two.

[Jack Armstrong]

Guinea now stick that in your hog's head and then smoke it or something. 68 jobs to qualify. 8 categories. Beverages and food service. Which is exactly what you'd think the list is. Kind of funny, but do we have time for this? Not really. Entertainment and events, including gambling dealers, gambling change persons and booth cashiers. Gambling, cage workers, gambling and sports book writers and runners. I don't. But.

[Joe Getty]

So you're supposed. You. You're supposed to tip the person dealing the cards when you play blackjack or something.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you win, generally you lay a little love on them, which I don't know why when you lose, they don't lay any damn love on me. And the cage workers like you, you swap out. Yeah, I don't know. Dancers. So tip those dancers. Exotic or otherwise. Musicians. And they're counting strippers.

[Joe Getty]

So part of that 2% of people.

[Jack Armstrong]

Who get tips are strippers, right? Musicians and singers, disc jockeys. Accept radio.

[Joe Getty]

Wait a minute.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is unfair to. Its Corey.

[Joe Getty]

I told you what the traffic is and I don't get a tip.

[Jack Armstrong]

I put traffic in weather together on the aids. No tips for you. Entertainers and performers, digital content creators, ushers, lobby attendants and ticket takers, locker room, coat room and the dressing room attendants.

[Joe Getty]

Some of these nobody was paying taxes on anyway. I mean the musicians.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you were, you're a fool.

[Joe Getty]

If you're a musician who gets a tip, that means you're a person standing on the corner with a hat in front of you singing a song at a busy, you know, part of town.

[Jack Armstrong]

You sure?

[Joe Getty]

Paying taxes on that?

[Jack Armstrong]

Come on. No. In fact, I often, like when I'm getting my hairs cut or whatever, I will hand the person the tip and say, as opposed to putting it on the credit card, I'll say, let's keep the government out of the tipping process.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, good for you. I should do that. That. Yeah, yeah, that'd make me a better person.

[Jack Armstrong]

Declare it. Or not. Anyway. Hospital. I'm sorry. Hospitality and guest services. Baggage Porters and bellhops, concierges, hotel, motel and resort desk clerks. Are you paying tips on all that?

[Joe Getty]

So I give you two bucks for putting my. My bag on the cart. You're gonna. Well, I better write that down. Make sure the government gets a cut. What?

[Jack Armstrong]

That's 11 cents in taxes, and by God, I'm gonna pay it. Maids and housekeeping, cleaners. Then in home services, here are the people you can tip. They can deduct it. Home maintenance and repair workers, home landscaping and groundskeeping workers, home electricians, home plumbers, heating and air conditioning mechanics and installers. I have never tipped somebody who fixed my air conditioner.

[Joe Getty]

You tape your landscaper? I've never paid for a landscaper. I've lived places that had them. But you tip them? I thought we just worked out a deal.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, you pay them. Home appliance installers and repairers, home cleaning service workers, locksmiths. Locksmiths. Roadside assistance workers, locksmiths.

[Joe Getty]

Boy, I'll tell you what. Every time I need a locksmith. Once in your life, let's see.

[Jack Armstrong]

You got personal services that include both pet caretakers and tutors, among other things.

[Joe Getty]

You tip your tutor? I haven't. I have quite a few tutors, but, yeah, I just. We worked out a wage.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Personal appearance and wellness. Everything from massage therapists and shampooers to tattoo artists. Recreation instruction. Yes.

[Joe Getty]

The number we don't know is what percentage of people were claiming this money on their taxes anyway. And it's got to be incredibly low.

[Jack Armstrong]

Zero percent is how many. Recreation and instruction, golf caddies, self enrichment teachers, recreational and tour pilots, tour guides and escorts.

[Joe Getty]

What the hell's a self enrichment teacher? I haven't tipped him or her in a very long time.

[Jack Armstrong]

Maybe if you were more enriched. You know who to tip, jackass.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, nice job today. I am walking out of here enriched. Af.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sports and recreation instructors. And finally, transportation and delivery, which includes parking and valet attendance, taxi and rideshare drive, rideshare drivers and chauffeurs, shuttle drivers, good delivery people, personal vehicle and equipment cleaners, private and charter charter bus drivers, water taxi operators and charter boat rickshaw, pedicab and carriage drivers.

[Joe Getty]

The rickshaw peddlers will no longer have to pay taxes on their tips.

[Jack Armstrong]

The suffocating oppression of taxation will no longer crush the humble American rickshaw operator.

[Joe Getty]

The yoke of taxation no longer weighs on the shoulder of the man peddling your rickshaw down the street free of the rickshaw. Okay, we might. If there's a good clip, play RFK junior Getting yelled at because that's going on right now. Or, among other things, that we'll finish.

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[Joe Getty]

Ah, come on.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient.

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[Joe Getty]

I can't imagine how tiring it would be to ever be grilled by Congress at one of those hearings because it's just, it's just, it's, it's a gotcha fest. It's just an attempt to get you to lose your temper or put you in a position where you can't answer the question. Look bad. So dumb.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, and it's completely pointless. I mean, you can gut your way through it. If something was being accomplished, you could screw your courage to this taking place. But excuse me, you're just there to generate jazzy, you know, video for people to watch 20 seconds of get misinformed and go about their evening.

[Joe Getty]

That is an excellent encapsulation of what happens. Yes, Elizabeth Warren questioning RFK Jr. Head.

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Of the CDC that if she refused to sign off on your changes to the childhood vaccine schedule that she had to resign.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, I told her that she had to resign. Because I asked her, are you a trustworthy person?

[Joe Getty]

And she said no. If you had an employee who told.

[Jack Armstrong]

You they weren't trustworthy, would you ask.

[Joe Getty]

Them to resign, Senator?

[Jack Armstrong]

So I'm sorry, but this is not.

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What she has said publicly.

[Jack Armstrong]

She has said. I'm not surprised about that.

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So you're saying she's lying?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. Every conversation I had with her, there were witnesses. This is the same person that less than a month earlier, you stood next.

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To her and described her as unimpeachable. And you had full confidence in her and that you had full confidence in her scientific credentials. And in a month, she became a liar.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, you should ask her what changed.

[Jack Armstrong]

And by the way, a month ago, you were voting against her because you.

[Joe Getty]

Thought she was either incompetent, ineligible, or.

[Jack Armstrong]

Unsuited to the task. I was afraid she was going to bend the knee to you and Donald Trump.

[Joe Getty]

That is hilarious.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. RFK Jr. For the win.

[Joe Getty]

That is hilarious. You voted against her. Now you're horrified that I fired her.

[Jack Armstrong]

Come on, man. That was. We need more of that in these earrings. What? Are you joking? You. Let's talk about you for a second. Yeah, let me hit the ball across.

[Joe Getty]

The net back to your side of the court for a moment.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm not a giant RFK Jr fan, but that was beautiful.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, no kidding. What an interesting character he is. What, did he spend a dozen years as a heroin addict or something like that?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, he was on the smack for quite a while. And then my problem with the guy has to do with the fact that he's a plaintiff's attorney who specialized in milk and money out of medical companies, pharmaceutical companies, and that sort of thing. So that's his. That's his orientation. Has he been able to set that aside in his role? His fans would say, yes, I'm not sure. But I tell you what, And I think 98% of Americans would vote with me. What if she. All the senators, both the. The chieftain there, the chief is there. There's no female equivalent of an Indian chief, is there? The native people. Very, very sexist. I don't like it.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway, they never get knocked for that.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, of course not. Of course not. Doesn't fit the narrative. But what if she were to ask him questions like she did, and he gave answers and she says, interesting, because that conflicts with this, and he answered that, and they discussed it like adults and we all learned something. I think 98.8% of Americans would vote for that, and it never happens.

[Joe Getty]

Well, wouldn't it be great if candy canes grew out of the ground also. Oh my God. Kind of la la land do you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Expect to live in beautiful dream? I would ride the pony I'm gonna get for Christmas across the landscape harvesting candy canes.

[Joe Getty]

He will toss a bear carcass in front of your bicycle too.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's funny. It was funny then, it's funny now. That's a funny gag.

[Joe Getty]

Or if you got a whale head, you need to get between here and there and he's got a van, he will transport that for you.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think it was a article in the New York Times. Opinion piece. Of course. The opinion piece. News story. It's the same thing in the New York Times, but they mention that Kennedy, who now advocates protecting whales once saw the head of a whale off a dead whale. And that was. Well, no, that's the problem. That was the sentence as I explained it didn't mention the fact that it was a whale corpse. The whale you could have cut off his head or attached a second one or whatever. Wouldn't make any difference to the damn whale. It was dead. He doesn't better than that, he doesn't.

[Joe Getty]

Go deep sea diving with chainsaws just because he loves removing the noggins from.

[Jack Armstrong]

Whales and watching them suffer. Aquatic Jack the Ripper. No, no. Oh, we are so ill served by both our media and our leadership. It's really discouraging.

[Joe Getty]

Oh my God. No kidding. So the actual government conversations are dumb and then the reporting on them are dumb. And where are you, where are you supposed to get your actual information about anything?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. I tell you what, the chainsaw, the whole Maha thing, make America healthy again. There's a lot of that that I am a big fan of and we don't have time to delve into it now, but let's get into it tomorrow. Really interesting piece I read by a gal, the title of which is My family went off ultra processed foods for a month. The results surprised us.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I'd like to hear that.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know if I could start it as an experiment has become our new diet.

[Joe Getty]

It wouldn't be easy.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, no, it wasn't. That's one of the points she makes. But they found the rewards to be far greater than they'd even hoped.

[Joe Getty]

Hmm, I might have to look into that. Check your clock.

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[Jack Armstrong]

They've gotta go.

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And if they don't get canned, they'll be back tomorrow.

[Joe Getty]

Here's your host for Final Thoughts. His name name is Joe.

[Jack Armstrong]

Getty let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew to wrap things up for the day, beginning with our technical director, Michelangelo. Michael, what's your final thoughts? All right. My wife is away tonight. I've got a 77 inch TV. I can get my own dinner.

[Joe Getty]

There you go. And the NFL starts tonight.

[Jack Armstrong]

It doesn't get any better.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's pretty good. I love my wife, but still it's pretty good.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've said Katie Green is off. Can't wait till she's back. Jack, do you have a final thought for us?

[Joe Getty]

Yes, I do. So I've had a cold for a few days now and so I haven't been to the gym, I haven't worked out, I haven't done my exercising and I haven't been eating that well. It's amazing how quickly you can pack on pounds. I mean, it's just shocking. Shocking. I get on the scale and I think, is this thing broken?

[Jack Armstrong]

No, you know, I'm changing my final thought inspired by about that. I was just thinking this. I really fell in love with having a pint in the middle of the day in Britain.

[Joe Getty]

There you go.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, a nice tall beer with lunch and that sort of thing. At 4, John, nobody got drunk or disorderly or stupid or anything. It was just nice. It was relaxing. Then you forge on with your day. Oh, I'm drinking way too much beer now. Oh, I'm going to get so fat. So, yeah, I got to swear off of it. It's got to be an occasional pleasure.

[Joe Getty]

What beer are you going to?

[Jack Armstrong]

The one in front of me.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've been drinking a lot of peyonis.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, that's. Is that Italian?

[Jack Armstrong]

I think it is.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty wrapping up.

[Jack Armstrong]

Excuse me.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Yeti wrapping up. Another grueling four hour workday.

[Jack Armstrong]

So many people. Thanks. So little time. Good. Armstrongandgetty.com for the hot links. Drop us a line if there's something we ought to be talking about. A perspective you want to share, send it along. [e-mail] We've got some great, great swag for you. The light hoodies, very popular. Grab it at the site.

[Joe Getty]

See you tomorrow. God bless America. Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

There were so many great moments on.

[Joe Getty]

Today'S Armstrong and Getty show, but perhaps none as great as this.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wait a minute. That is unfair to its core.

[Joe Getty]

I told you what the traffic is and I don't get a tip.

[Jack Armstrong]

I put traffic in weather together on the Ace.

[Joe Getty]

Bye bye.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Never seen anything like Eminem fans.

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This is the story of a fan base.

[Jack Armstrong]

I had to look in the mirror.

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And be like am I one of these crazy stans that created a culture?

[Jack Armstrong]

I do have an addiction to Eminem.

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I travel the world for him.

[Jack Armstrong]

Without Eminem I wouldn't have the life I have right now.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

This is an iheart podcast.