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Hey, it's Bobby from the Bobby Bones show. I had an incredible time at this year's iHeartRadio music festival and even got the chance to hang out with Diplo and Bailey Zimmerman while I was there. How did Ashes come together?
Armstrong
Diplo?
Diplo
I pulled up real quick. He was about to leave on tour. You're about to jump in your tour bus and we had like three hours.
Bailey Zimmerman
It was really cool. He literally just like randomly showed up to my house and I'm like, oh, hey Diplo, what are you doing? He's like, I have a song that I want to show you. And I was like, okay.
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And now here's Armstrong and get it. Kids don't like capitalism and I think a lot of it has to do with social media. The clickbait, right? Rage bait works better in social media and gets more people's attention. And if Mondomini is out there saying you're getting free housing, you're getting free transportation, you're getting cheaper groceries and that's what they're going to respond positively to, is there any way that can work? No, no, of course not. No. Look, we have a financial literacy problem in America. That's great. Mark Cuban, one of the most successful capitalists in history as a billionaire, saying to Bill Maher, when Bill Maher asked, can that work in New York City? No, of course not.
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No, the other guy, whoever it was. Oh, Andrew Ross Sorkin talking about how we have a financial illiteracy problem that's 100% correct. Yeah, absolute correct.
Armstrong
Because the freaking teachers are socialists. So no, they're not going to teach you the financial literacy that says no capitalism. Free markets are good in this way and here's why. Rent control and government run grocery stores and all these things have been tried, don't work. Your teacher's not going to do that because they believe in socialism.
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Right. God, you can talk people out of believing in rent control, for instance, in three minutes. And three minutes is a little luxurious. You give me two and a half, I'm pretty sure I can get it done. But if you're never exposed to that sort of thinking that again, socialism is the greatest scam ever designed, I think. So on that topic, kind of sorta. And the next stuff we're gonna talk.
Armstrong
About is Andrew Ross Sorkin, who's the hero of the left for, you know, financial stuff, said, no, it can't work.
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Right, right. Yeah. So this is kind of a looking at the left thing having to do with online culture. But I came across a piece really well considered and written piece in the Free Press about how a lot of young conservatives are getting swept up in really ugly stuff online into, you know, neo fascism and, and the whole, like manosphere. The manosphere, the whole what's his name? Cooper, who talks to Tucker and tries to claim that Churchill was a bad guy and Hitler was misunderstood.
Armstrong
All those historian Daryl Cooper, who's not.
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Actually an effing historian. Right, Exactly. And. And how a lot of young people on the right are getting swayed by this stuff too. So it's not entirely a lefty proposition, but the headline in the Wall Street Journal over the weekend, girl, take your crazy pills. Antidepressants recast as a hot lifestyle accessory. Influencers tout the drugs, but many unsuspecting followers find the side effects take the fun out of life. And they give a bunch of examples of like this one. Stay at home mom. She felt lonely, overwhelmed at times, paralyzed with anxiety and self dou. And so she heard a former MTV star talk up Lexapro on a podcast. She searched for the drug on TikTok. Her go to information source and found Lexapro Talk and similar niche online communities where women in their 20s and 30s praised the benefits of antidepressants. She posted a video asking for help. Someone recommended a telehealth company. She answered a quick questionnaire. And an online nurse protect practitioner slash drug dealer prescribed a generic version of Lexapro. Bottle arrived a couple of days later. And then this gal from Texas.
Armstrong
That's that easy to get on the SSRIs. I mean, most doctors are gonna throw it at you anyway, based on my experience. But she didn't even have to leave her house.
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So she immediately starts posting TikTok videos of herself running to the mailbox for a pill package, taking a dose using such hashtags as Lexapro Baddies and get help, mama. In the months that followed, she gushed over the pills to her thousands of followers. She. For a time, she belonged to a social media movement that's given antidepressants a makeover from a stigmatized metal medicine to a healthy lifestyle accessory for enlightened and empowered young women.
Armstrong
When did it get stigmatized? I must have missed that, because gazillions of Americans are on it.
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Yeah, well, it's gotten less stigmatized. But here's my favorite part. Millennial and Gen Z influencers, some paid by Telehealth companies, evangelize antidepressants on TikTok and Instagram using hashtags like Live laugh, Lexapro, Lexapro Girly, Lexa Ho, and Zoloft Gang.
Armstrong
Lexa Ho.
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I know. Recasting the medications as pop culture touchstones. And on TikTok, hashtag antidepressants has surpassed 1.3 billion views ET cetera. Then they go into this list of, you know, attractive young women and stay at home moms that, that tout the benefits of the medicine and get thousands of followers and talk thousands of people into doing it who they then give them up and wean themselves off because it makes them miserable and ruins their lives. But they do that pretty quickly or quite pretty quietly rather. And the videos of hey, here's my actual long term experience, those don't get nearly as many views.
Armstrong
I'm sure that's true. I know plenty of people that are on SSRIs who swear by them and are happy with them, but if you are put on them or go on them and you don't need it, I guess it makes you really flat and life feels quite unpleasant, right?
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Crushes your libido, weight gain, etc. Just yeah, everything is kind of flattened. So anyway, I just thought again, this is the, the democratization of ideas where an idea can reach millions of people worldwide when if it was just happening in your town, the person you know selling it would be told over and over again that's a bad idea and probably let it drop. And on a similar topic, I found this really, really interesting. Who did this? 2024 Presidential Election Study big survey. Mental health challenges are an important part of my identity. Among boomer males, 73% of them essentially said no matter what psychological challenges I face, I will not let them define me.
Armstrong
Right. That used to be a feeling for most people is like youe would not allow yourself to believe you have any of those things. And then even if it were true, proven, you'd want to kind of keep it on the down low because he didn't want it to be your thing.
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Well, and I wouldn't want people to look at me and say, oh, there's Joe, he has anxiety.
Armstrong
Right?
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I mean, I know there's, there's a dozen things, maybe 50 things I'd rather have you say. And there's Joey's nay hole. I mean for instance, it's, it's better anyway.
Armstrong
There's Joe. Man, can he dance.
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So please, like, like a stare, please. So 73% of boomer males essentially said no matter what psychological challenges I face, I will not let them define me. 72% of Gen Z females said essentially mental illness is an important part of my identity. 72% said mental health challenges are an important part of my identity.
Armstrong
Yeah, that has been my experience in a variety of ways with that generation in hiring for sitters and a variety of different things. Is everybody Explains really early on what their. I have anxiety so I have to do this or I have OCD or whatever it is.
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Right, right. Both Gen Z men and women view their mental health as an important part of their identity at a rate over five times that of boomers, for instance.
Armstrong
Well, unless you're older and you grew up in that culture, how are you ever going to go through a rough patch in your life now where you wouldn't take some sort of drug for it? Because I mean all your friends are. And rough patches. I've had rough patches that lasted a freaking long time, I'll tell you that. Sometimes they do.
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Oh yeah.
Armstrong
Sometimes based on my own decisions, I've.
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Witnessed young women bonding over their mental health challenges. It's, it's part of the whole, you know, lionization of the victim victim culture in essence. And it's supported online in a lot of ways that are really, really interesting.
Armstrong
Maybe that ought to be a lesson that they teach more people is you might go through. Not might, you will go through many periods of your life where there are weeks or months or maybe half a year where you're really down because this or that happened and then you'll come.
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Out of it right. But you'll feel like I don't know what the point is because you're on a journey to discovering what the point is. And sometimes that takes a long time. That's not mental illness, that's life.
Armstrong
Yeah.
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But I think it's worth going back to the previous article that was pointing out that a lot of these people are sponsored by the people selling the pills.
Armstrong
Of course.
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Yeah. And, but they dress it up in like there's this one influencer, what's her name? Cute chick, you know, dressed kind of sexy, she's funny, she's wacky. Elena Davis, 35 year old influencer, made this video in 2023 of her dressed like she's going out to the club laughing and taking her pill. And, and, and make it a big deal of how great it is. She weaned herself completely off them a couple of years later because they essentially screwed up her life.
Armstrong
Yeah.
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Good lord, the Internet is a bad place to be. Unplug it.
Armstrong
Did the laws change around medicine somewhere where these doctors that have never met you can prescribe you things that you used to have to go see her.
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Yeah, yeah. There's been kind of an evolution through the de. Evolution because there's all kinds of drugs.
Armstrong
You can get on just by you. Basically you just pay for them and you check some boxes on a form and they say, sure, we'll send them to you. You've never met me. You haven't taken any blood work.
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That reminds me, I got to pop my daily Viagra. I like to be ready. You know, like the Boy Scouts say, be prepared. Huh.
Armstrong
Well, that's interesting.
Diplo
Okay.
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Oh, speaking of the young woman thing, thank you everybody for recommending it. I've already seen it. I'm editing it. An absolutely brilliant piece about the feminization of America and the effect that that has had. And it is. Well, I just called it brilliant already. I will reaffirm it's brilliant and we'll bring it to you tomorrow. Maybe in this hour. Tomorrow. Anyway, a word from our friends at Web Root. Far scarier than any haunted house or skeleton on your neighbor's lawn is being vulnerable to cyber criminals. Seems like every day they're cooking up new ways to trick text scams, data breaches, something new every day. That's why this Cyber Scaries month, you need Webroot Total protection.
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Nice and maybe they're biting, but don't go fishing off the coast of Venezuela right now. Trump had some strong words for the President down there. Also, some new news about peanut allergies. It's good news for the first time in a long time. And a bunch of other stuff on the way, so stay here.
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Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby from the Bobby Bone Show. I had an incredible time at this year's iHeartRadio music festival and even got the chance to hang out with Diplo and Bailey Zimmerman while I was there. Check this out. So how did Ashes come together? Diplo?
Diplo
Well, I kind of briefly met Bailey. I think at Morgan's show, one of them. And I think he's just the guy in Nashville. He's cool as hell. And I had a new kind of sound I wanted to do and I think he's the one guy that could carry it. And I came to his house, I had a show, I pulled up real quick, he was about to leave on tour, you're about to jump in your tour bus and we had like three hours play the record for him. We kind of like got a scratch and then he handled it on his own on the road.
Bailey Zimmerman
Yeah, it was really cool. He really just like randomly showed up to my house and like, oh hey Diplo, what are you doing? He's like, I have a song that I want to show you. And I was like, okay. And then now we're here playing it live.
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In English recently offering mediation.
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He has to stop that.
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He has offered everything.
Bailey Zimmerman
He's offered everything.
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You're right.
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You know why?
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Because he doesn't want to around with the United States.
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Language from the president of the United States saying that President Maduro of Venezuela does not want to blank eff around with the United States, which he probably doesn't, actually.
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No, indeed. He's making a show of toughness. But behind the scenes, of course, you're saying, hey, hey, hey, let's ratchet this down, buddy.
Armstrong
So he blew another drug boat out of the water the other day. Two people survived. And then we're sending them back to their countries of origin or something like that.
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Yeah, yeah. And talking tough to the good folks in Colombia as well. Really tough. We used to have a pretty decent relationship with them, but then they started electing leftists and going back to the whole coca production thing.
Armstrong
So, yeah, so different story. Last week we were mocking health advice that experts had been giving us throughout the years that turned out to be not only wrong, but the exact opposite of what we should have been doing. Eat trans fat. Yeah, diet stuff. Eat trans fat instead of butter is like you would only give that advice to someone if you wanted to kill them or if you hated them.
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You didn't have the nerve to shoot him, so you tried to kill him with a heart Attack.
Armstrong
Right. So we've been doing the same with kids and peanuts for 20 years. It turns out, actually, we've known this for a while. The rest of the world has known this for quite a long time. I will read. I think maybe we had this guy on back in the day. He wrote a book called An Abundance of Caution. Anyway, he said, and this comes out of the headline, peanut allergies have plummeted in children Study shows. Why is that? According to this guy who wrote this.
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Book, they're out of fashion.
Armstrong
American pediatricians, the experts, recommended against early exposure to peanuts for kids. Do not give little kids peanuts. Do not let them eat anything with peanuts in case they have an allergy. And we've been doing this for 20 years, which was the opposite of what we should have been doing, causing great harm to untold numbers of kids. They did this because, despite the facts that for decades, for instance, Israeli kids had been eating peanuts from a young age and a very low incident of peanut allergy in lots of other countries. And even despite a belated shift in US Guidance, evidence was there in the open that exposure was. Exposure to peanuts was preventative.
Diplo
Yes.
Armstrong
Yet out of abundance of caution, we went the other direction, leading kids to live lives where you have to be scared to death of every coming in contact with one molecule of peanuts or it will kill you.
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Right. Well, that reminds me, so much of study after study has shown this. I mean, it's absolutely unmistakable. Kids who live in societies where they're not hyper clean, they let the kid crawl around on the floor. They got animals coming in and out of the house or whatever, they have far, far fewer allergies and much more robust immune systems. Keeping kids hyper clean doesn't do them any favors. I'm not in favor of letting your kid crawl around in an outhouse or whatever, but you dive down into it.
Armstrong
Particularly bad example. I don't think anybody was going to do that.
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Well, I picked an extreme. But yeah, it's. That's not doing your kid any favors, keeping them hyper clean. But zillions of dollars worth of products are sold to you, and they convince you that to be a good parent, you should never expose your child to any dirt or grime or germs or certainly not peanuts.
Armstrong
So what happened here? You had. So some people are allergic to peanuts. Very rare in its natural setting, it would seem so. But then. So you had a couple of kids die, and then we went crazy the other direction. Like some people have peanut allergies. We don't know have. Why. So don't let any kid eat peanuts. And then you created this allergy.
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Yes.
Armstrong
In lots of kids. To where you can't have peanut butter sandwiches at school. And people live in fear for their kids lives because they actually have a peanut allergy.
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Now you get pretzel pretzels on airplanes, which is fine because I like pretzels, but that's a. That's why.
Armstrong
Probably a lower concern with the kids living their lives of fear of dying. But Joe did not get peanuts on airplanes. So let's.
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I found them very satisfying as snacks go. I don't appreciate. They are taken.
Armstrong
I eat lots of nuts. We might actually start endorsing a particular nut company because they are an appetite suppressant. I really like that about.
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Oh, I eat nuts all the time.
Armstrong
Yeah.
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Love them. Yeah. Katie, grow up.
Armstrong
No, I will not grow up.
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You're about to be a mother.
Armstrong
Yeah, exactly. You're about to be a mother. And a kid's gonna be hilarious. Probably.
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Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby from the Bobby Bones show. I had an incredible time at this year's iHeartRadio music festival and even got the chance to hang out with Diplo and Bailey Zimmerman while I was there. Check this out. So how did Ashes come together, Diplo?
Diplo
Well, I kind of briefly met Bailey, I think at Morgan's show. One of them. And I think he's just a guy in Nashville. He's cool as hell. And I had a new kind of sound I wanted to do, and I think he's the one guy that could carry it. And I came to his house. I had a show. I pulled up real quick. He was about to leave on tour. You're about to jump in your tour bus. And we had like three hours, played the record for him. We kind of like got a scratch. And then he handled it on his own on the road.
Bailey Zimmerman
Yeah, it was really cool. He really just like randomly showed up to my house. I'm like, oh, hey, Diplo, what are you doing? He's like, I have a song that I want to show you. And I was like, okay. And then now we're here playing it live.
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You can listen to the full episode out now, wherever you get your podcasts. And big shout out to my friends at Hyundai for making this possible. Had a blast cruising around festival weekend in the all new Palisade hybrid.
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So it's fourth down and one yard. Fourth and one. The Chiefs at least pretend they're going to go for it in the football game yesterday against the Oakland or, I'm sorry, the LA Raiders. Even Tony Romo the announcer though, knew they weren't actually going to go for it. They were going to do what they call a Hard count. The quarterback goes up there and goes, hike. And you try to get the other side to jump off sides because they get all excited, and then you get a penalty, and then you get first down.
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And so you have the guy shift around, and then you go again. Then they have him shift around again. The defense is like, would you stop it? We're not gonna jump.
Armstrong
It basically never works. But anyway, this is how it unfolded yesterday on 4th and a foot. Tried to draw him offside.
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Oh, there they go.
Armstrong
He's faking it.
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Yeah, they got it. You had given up on that one. You thought for sure it was a draw, didn't you?
Armstrong
The Andy Reid draw him offside. I believe Pete Carroll even knows this. So what happened there was. It was a fake play. It was a fake hard count. Patrick Mahomes goes up to the line and says loud enough for the microphones to pick up his effing. Never effing works.
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And he's looking toward a sideline like, why are you making us do this stupid thing?
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Armstrong
And then when the Raiders are probably either laughing or relaxing or whatever, they do hike the ball and run the guy, and then they make the first step. That's a pretty funny play to run, especially when you win. 41 to nothing.
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Yeah, I'd have kept that one under wraps for when you really needed it. But the fake, fake play.
Armstrong
Yeah, no kidding. Save that one for a serious game where you actually need it. Anyway, that was fun reading this in Bloomberg yesterday. Bloomberg, which I just subscribed to. Can I do this, y'?
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Armstrong
Who can do this? You're better than me. So the world is crafted this way in so many different ways. Like Amazon suggests, go ahead and buy whatever you want to buy because our return policy is so great. But a lot of it is thinking that people like me will never get around returning it.
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A healthy enough percentage. It's a winner for them.
Armstrong
Lots of businesses are. You can return the same time you want, but, you know, even send you the label, but they think you'll never get around to it. A lot of subscriptions are. We're going to give you an incredibly low price to subscribe to this now. It goes up at the end of the month, but the first month is so cheap. How could you not, right? And I think. You know what? That's perfect. Like I just did with Bloomberg. Bloomberg News. $99 for the first two months. Then it goes to $40 a month.
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Which is a lot change.
Armstrong
We have 40, $40 a month.
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Armstrong
After the first two months, all I got to do is remember to cancel it before the two months are up. Now, will I remember? No, but I'm gonna try very hard this time.
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Set yourself a calendar alert, an alarm.
Armstrong
I do that sort of thing, but I'm such an f up that. Oh, yeah, there's the alert. Good for me. So as soon as I get home, I'm gonna. Whatever, but. So they were talking about this.
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Article.
Armstrong
From several years ago that got a tremendous amount of attention about avocado toast. If millennials are so poor, is all the millennials talking about, we can't own homes, we can't make it like you could, and blah, blah, blah. If millennials are so poor, how come they eat avocado toast? It was this guy who writes an economic column, was always out to brunch on a Saturday or Sunday morning, and the place is packed with millennials eating $20 toast. And he said how this doesn't fit in with. Is it just life decisions, why you don't have any money? There's. And then there's a certain amount of truth to that. You've been to Europe, you eat avocado toast, but you don't have a down payment for a house. Do you think any of those things fit together at all anyway? No.
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No.
Armstrong
Okay. When I was your age, I hadn't been to Europe. But you've been all over Europe. Okay, whatever. But the point in Bloomberg is that those days are no longer true anymore. The statistics for American millennials have changed rapidly. Some 55% of millennials now own homes on average Millennials. And this is the stat that blew me away. On average, millennials are now nearly a third richer than baby boomers were at the same point in their lives, adjusted for inflation.
Getty
Wow.
Armstrong
So it's just not factually true that millennials are so much poorer than previous generations are behind the eight ball. I think the expectations are way different. Yeah, probably right, but.
Getty
Well, the oldest millennials at this point are in their 40s. Is that right? I can never remember too many GPT.
Armstrong
What? What? The millennial age is there for us, Katie. Millennials are from whenever. It's funny. I did this just yesterday with Gen Z because my kids were wondering if they were Gen Z or not. And they both are. And then they got into an argument because my 15 year old said, you're not Gen Z. I mean, technically you are, but clearly not. You watched completely different YouTube videos than I did when we were kids. And Stuff like that. Wow. Slicing it very thin. That's something to gauge it on.
Getty
Millennials are from 81 to 96. Well, that is actually if you were born in 81. Yeah. Heck, mid-40s.
Armstrong
Yeah. So you're 44. But. So 55% of millennials now own a home. And on average, millennials are now. Now nearly a third richer than baby boomers were at the same point in their lives. The Federal Reserve bank found that millennials own $1.35 for every dollar boomers did at that age.
Getty
Okay, Boomer.
Armstrong
Millennial household's average net worth was around $90,000 in 2016, but it's now estimated to be four times that size. Have having ballooned at an unusually fast pace. A lot of it having to do with where the stock market is now versus where it was 2016 when that article came out about avocado toast and whatnot. One of the interesting things about this, though, is that the gap between the richest and poorest millennials is now $64,000 wider than it was for boomers when they were the same age.
Getty
Oh, my.
Armstrong
So there's a real have and have nots among millennials now. I like to, just because it reinforces my own life choices, like to believe that a lot of your financial situation has to do with the choices you've made. Not only like education and employment, but how you spend your money specifically. And again, this. This is a burr in my saddle because every poor person I know, and I've hired many of them who complains about being broke has been to freaking Europe. I have never been to Europe when I was that age. Okay, Boomer, you maxed out your credit card, you backpack across Europe, and now you can't afford. I almost dropped an espo. Now you can't afford S. That's not my fault. I wanted to go to Paris too, but I didn't. You know why? Because I didn't think I could afford it. And you know what? I was right. I couldn't afford it.
Getty
Yeah. So true. Oh, boy.
Armstrong
And you know how often I ate out and we didn't have avocado toast back then, but you know how often I ate out at restaurants when I was at age 00? I never ate out at a restaurant. Why?
Getty
Have you heard of restaurants? Did you not know they were there?
Armstrong
I couldn't afford it.
Getty
Yeah, yeah. Oh, I came across just a great indictment of Cal Unicornia. And it's kind of a warning for Mamdani voters about how California its so called progressive policies have absolutely you know, how do you want to put this encased income inequality in cement? They make upward mobility impossible. Progressive policies paralyze upward mobility. Super interesting. Maybe squeeze that in next segment.
Armstrong
Let me read just a little more from this because it's interesting. And I ended up getting in a conversation with my kids about how the whole generation thing has a lot of flaws because, I mean, you can't cut it off right at 1981. Like, Joe and I are Gen Z by one year. But the idea that we're drastically different. Gen X, the idea that we're drastically different than the people one year older than us is of course, silly.
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I can't even talk to my sister. She is a year older than me. I don't even know what the hell she's talking about. Going on about Hitler and winning the Great War and the rest of it.
Diplo
I just.
Getty
I don't even know.
Armstrong
That's funny. Americans of all ages have a penchant for latching on to stories that label the generations neatly. It's an inclination that can veer into tribalism. Which is why Harvard professor Louis Mend has compared general. This is. This is up our alley. Has compared generational analysis to astrology.
Getty
It is practically that, yeah, Gen Z came up with that whole generational analysis because they're so stupid.
Armstrong
Generations do play an important role in our lives, but not a solely determinative one, of course. And while it's easier to blame older people for an economy's failings and simpler to use averages to frame an unexpected recovery, broad generalizations distract us from the two challenges. True challenges, the world we live in, blah, blah, blah. I like this one. Avocado toast wasn't the first trope millennials were fed about themselves. In the years just after the 2008 financial crash, the predominant narrative about millennials was one of laziness and entitlement. Their supposed intellectual failings were profiled in a famous book called the Dumbest Generation.
Getty
Yes, well, we let the schools get away with not teaching them anymore. So to what extent that is true, you know, we're to blame.
Armstrong
And Time magazine had back in the day about millennials, the Me, Me, me generation. Millennials are lazy, entitled narcissists who still live with their parents.
Getty
That's just fact.
Armstrong
What's not true in that headline?
Getty
So, a couple of thoughts. I've always hated the whole generational analysis thing, honestly, because, you know, I look at my so called generation, you put me in a room with nine other Gen X people. The number of people I'm willing To say I'm just like them is it might be one, and I probably shouldn't because that person's better than me. Well, I mean, it's just silly.
Armstrong
A bunch of them.
Getty
There are cultural commonalities, but a bunch.
Armstrong
Of them would be 20 years younger than you, so you would not have a lot of commonality on a bunch of things.
Getty
Second thing is, I've learned so much from the world of sport. And, you know, I tried to teach my kids this, but no longer am I their sole influence. And it's too bad. In at least one or two cases, we would show up to a baseball field and I was often playing third base at that time, and the infield would suck. It was uneven. There were rocks in it. I was going to be getting ground balls in the teeth all day long. It was like, oh my God, here we go. Both teams were playing on the same field. What are you going to do? You're there. That's your situation. That's your reality. Or like in golf, it's a miserable, cold, rainy day. Somebody is going to walk away with the trophy in their hands and be able to talk about it for the rest of their life. Show up and play. So the field the other guys played on was better. What do you do now? Show up and play.
Armstrong
I say you go to the latest brunch place and have some avocado toast.
Getty
I do enjoy avocado.
Armstrong
Show people pictures of your backpacking around Europe, then talk about how you can't afford a car.
Getty
Mallorca was so amazing. It was so amazing. Their avocado toast was a little spicy there. That's the Spanish, though. They're spicy cooking.
Armstrong
All right, I probably made my.
Getty
So how California has kept the people down. That's weird. That's the opposite of what the Gavin Newsom and progressives say they're doing.
Diplo
And.
Getty
This is pretty funny. I don't want to give it away, but a belated Happy Columbus Day slash Indigenous Peoples Day to everyone. A humorous note on that celebration coming up next.
Armstrong
And you are right, the key to the Patrick Mahomes thing is that he had two F words.
Getty
Yes, this effing. Never effing works.
Armstrong
That makes it so much better. All right, we got lots on the way. Stay here.
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Hey, it's Bobby from the Bobby Bones Show. I had an incredible time at this year's iHeartRadio music festival and even got the chance to hang out with Diplo and Bailey Zimmerman while I was there. Check this out. So how did ashes come together.
Diplo
Diplo well, I kind of briefly met Bailey, I think at Morgan's show, one of them, and I think he's just a guy in Nashville. He's cool as hell and I had a new kind of sound I wanted to do and I think he's the one guy that could carry it. And I came to his house, I had a show, I pulled up real quick, he was about to leave on tour. You're about to jump in your tour bus and we had like three hours play the record for him. We kind of like got a scratch and then he handled it on his own on the road.
Bailey Zimmerman
Yeah, it was really cool. He really just like randomly showed up to my house and like, oh hey Diplo, what are you doing? He's like, I have a song that I want to show you. And I was like, okay. And then now we're here playing it live.
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Armstrong
Hundreds of people in Portland sent a message to ICE to leave their city by riding their bikes naked through the rain. And you're not gonna believe this. It didn't work.
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Portland's gonna Portland, you know. So a belated happy Columbus Day to all who celebrate. Maybe it's Indigenous Peoples Day to you. I love this from the Beacon, Washington Free Beacon. A lot of Democrats burnish their woke credentials, of course, by celebrating about and talking about Indigenous Peoples Day. And they have a list. The official X account for House Democrats posted a picture of a bison. There you go. Governor Tim Waltz of Minnesota. Remember, he was going to teach America the new version of masculinity. He attended a Native American ceremony. According to his website on the shore of Bidimaka Skull, which is probably just some suburb of Minneapolis, Representative Ayanna Pressley declared, we are all on stolen land. Alas, the esteemed congressman.
Armstrong
That is true, but so is everybody else. Yeah, so is everyone else.
Getty
So we stole it from. Stole it from somebody else.
Armstrong
Yeah, exactly. That's the main thing is whoever we stole from stole it from somebody else.
Getty
So here's the business end. Ayanna Pressley declared we were all on stolen land. Alas, the esteemed congresswoman declined to set a timetable for vacating her million dollar plus vacation home on Martha's Vineyard. Or no epic as the island is known by its rightful owners, the Wampanoag tribe of Gay Head. Who need to change that name. That's not a good Name.
Armstrong
Yeah.
Getty
Anyway, some Democrats weren't so keen to acknowledge the made up holiday. Barack Obama, who owns a $19 million waterfront mansion on stolen Wampanoag land, declined to comment. Elizabeth Warren, the Powwow Chow Cookbook contributor who made history as the first woman of color on the Harvard Law School faculty, was also eerily silent. Could have something to do with the fact that Warren, sometimes referred to as Pocahontas or Foca Hontus, advanced her career by falsely identifying as a Native American. Blah, blah, blah. If anyone exists on stolen land, it's Warren, the fake Indian white lady who amassed a fortune by exploiting affirmative action. She lives in a $4 million Victorian mansion near the Harvard campus founded on the ancestral lands of the Massachusetts tribe.
Armstrong
She lives in a. As a socialist lives in a four million dollar house.
Getty
That is correct. Wow, that's absolutely.
Armstrong
I think I'm gonna have a beer.
Getty
Yeah, I would do. Drink up. Hell, you got the. You fooled everybody. So do we have time for this? Barely. Great piece by John Fund, National Review. He's talking about the Road to Serfdom, the brilliant work by Friedrich Hayek. Middle of the 20th century. It warned that socialism, which he saw really taking hold in Europe, Britain in particular, if it it took hold in centralized economic planning and control, it would lead inevitably to the erosion of individual freedom and opportunity. And sure enough, he's right. People in eastern Europe took 50 years to successfully revolt against their masters. And they segue in this discussion to a demographer at California's Chapman University, Joel Kotkin, who's written some really interesting stuff. This model could best be described. He's talking about California as oligarchical socialism, the redistribution of resources that would meet the basic material needs of the working class and the declining middle class, but it would not promote upward mobility or threaten the dominance of the oligarchs. This represents a sea change from the old industrial economy. Rather than acquiring property and gaining some self sufficiency, see, workers can now expect a surf like future of rented apartments and frozen prospects. Unable to grow into property owning adults, they depend on subsidies to meet their basic needs. And he's describing how California now makes it super easy to live. You know, subsidized rents, rent control, whatever, you know, lots of generous social programs, food. But they've crushed business. They've crushed on entrepreneurialism. It's. You can't start a business and grow it in California unless you've got superhuman stick to itiveness. Yeah, they've crushed upward mobility while waving the flag of. Look at Us taking care of the downtrodden. They've done the worst thing you could do to the downtrodden keeping them downtrodden.
Armstrong
Text. We got about the last segment before we take a break. Yeah, I'm changing the radio station. Too much yelling and screaming. Too much coffee. You think it's entertaining? It's not. It's irritating. I'm gone. So. Okay, I apologize for that.
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Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby from the Bobby Bone Show. I had an incredible time at this year's iHeartRadio music festival and even got the chance to hang out with Diplo and Bailey Zimmerman while I was there. How did Ashes come together? Diplo?
Diplo
I pulled up real quick. He was about to leave on tour. You're about to jump in your tour bus and we had like three hours.
Bailey Zimmerman
It was really cool. He really just like randomly showed up to my house. I'm like, oh, hey Diplo, what are you doing? He's like, I have a song that I want to show you. And I was like, okay, you can.
Bobby Bones
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Episode: There's Joe & Man Can He Dance!
Date: October 20, 2025
Podcast Host: iHeartPodcasts
This episode of Armstrong & Getty dissects pressing social trends, generational divides, and cultural quirks in their inimitable, irreverent style. Joe Getty and Jack Armstrong scrutinize topics ranging from capitalism's reputation among the youth and the rise of "antidepressant culture" on social media, to generational financial myths, shifting attitudes toward mental health, and a humorous look at rituals around Indigenous Peoples Day. As ever, the show amplifies the show's signature blend of social commentary, satire, and bantering insight.
Timestamps:
[02:58] – Start of capitalism/socialism discussion
[03:56-04:46] – Mark Cuban, financial literacy, and educational bias
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[05:04-05:32] – Young conservatives and toxic online ideologies
Timestamps:
[05:32-07:43] – Antidepressant influencer culture
[10:47-12:13] – Attitudes toward mental health, identity, and generational divides
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[09:43-11:18] – Survey results and commentary
Timestamps:
[20:31-24:10] – Peanut allergy advice reversal and societal effects
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[31:36-38:05] – Generational wealth breakdown, avocado toast, and stereotypes
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[47:13-49:18] – California, socialism, and mobility
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[44:40-47:10] – Columbus Day, performative politics, and satire
On financial literacy & socialism:
"Because the freaking teachers are socialists. So no, they're not going to teach you the financial literacy that says no capitalism. Free markets are good in this way and here's why..." – Armstrong (04:06)
On rent control & economic myths:
"You can talk people out of believing in rent control, for instance, in three minutes. And three minutes is a little luxurious..." – Getty (04:24)
On TikTok antidepressant culture:
"Millennial and Gen Z influencers, some paid by Telehealth companies, evangelize antidepressants on TikTok...using hashtags like Live laugh Lexapro, Lexapro Girly, Lexa Ho, and Zoloft Gang." – Getty (07:24)
On generational mental health identity:
"Both Gen Z men and women view their mental health as an important part of their identity at a rate over five times that of boomers..." – Getty (11:07)
On medical reversals:
"You had a couple of kids die, and then we went crazy the other direction...Then you created this allergy in lots of kids." – Armstrong (23:12)
On generational wealth myths:
"Millennials are now nearly a third richer than baby boomers were at the same point in their lives, adjusted for inflation." – Armstrong (32:50)
On generational analysis:
"I've always hated the whole generational analysis thing, honestly...the number of people I'm willing to say I'm just like them is...it might be one..." – Getty (38:22)
On progressive policies and mobility:
"Progressive policies paralyze upward mobility. Super interesting. Maybe squeeze that in next segment." – Getty (35:55)
"This represents a sea change from the old industrial economy. Rather than acquiring property and gaining some self sufficiency...workers can now expect a surf like future of rented apartments and frozen prospects..." – Getty paraphrasing Kotkin (48:00)
| Segment | Approx. Timestamp | |-----------------------------------|----------------------| | Capitalism & Socialism, Youth Attitudes | 02:58–05:04 | | Young Conservatives & Online Influence | 05:04–05:32 | | Antidepressant Culture & Influence | 05:32–12:34 | | Generational Mental Health Views | 09:43–12:34 | | Peanut Allergy Crisis & Medical Myths | 20:31–24:10 | | Generational Wealth: Millennials vs Boomers| 31:36–38:22 | | Generational Analysis Critique | 38:22–39:54 | | California, Socialism, & Mobility | 47:13–49:18 | | Columbus/Indigenous Peoples Day Satire | 44:40–47:13 |
The episode maintains the classic Armstrong & Getty mix of skepticism, sarcasm, and candid humor. They punctuate serious topics with moments of satire, self-deprecation, and playful banter.
In "There's Joe & Man Can He Dance!", Armstrong & Getty offer a rapid-fire, witty, and sometimes barbed dissection of today's social, generational, and policy debates. Even as their tone veers from critical to comedic, the show leaves listeners with pointed questions about how culture, policy, and personality shape American life—and a reminder not to believe everything they see, hear, or scroll past online.