They Really Hate Each Other

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "They Really Hate Each Other"
Date: June 5, 2026

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Overview

In this episode, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty deliver their signature mix of wit, skepticism, political analysis, and cultural commentary, centering on the rising tension between Gavin Newsom and Kamala Harris as potential rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination. The conversation weaves in listener mail, reflections on government bureaucracy, AI, sports, and a dark dive into historical atrocities—always with a sharp sense of humor and irreverence.

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Major Discussion Points

NBA Finals and Sports Scheduling

• [03:18] Opening banter on New York's "buzz" after the Knicks win game one of the NBA Finals.
  • Jack jokes about Trump's hypothetical swim in a Knicks-colored reflecting pool.
  • Both ponder why NBA games often avoid Friday/Saturday slots, musing about the NBA's data on TV viewing habits.
  • "I'm much more likely to take in a NBA finals game on a Friday night than I am on a Tuesday night when I got to work. But that's just me." — Jack Armstrong [04:30]

Listener Mailbag: D-Day & Cultural Reflections

• [04:44] Trivia about public figures who participated in D-Day, leading to a discussion of the anniversary and America's shifting values.
  • "Moving along, we are talking about how Congress doesn't Congress anymore. They just are Instagram stars and fundraisers and clowns." — Joe Getty [05:03]
• [05:50] Email highlights the rising trend of men relying on women for financial bailouts, sparking a discussion about male responsibility.
  • Accounts from a former police department worker about men not reclaiming impounded cars themselves.

Government Bureaucracy & Budget Incentives

• [08:49] Listener Dennis (ex-DMV manager) describes systemic inefficiency in government agencies.
  • Government workers take as long as allotted so budgets aren’t cut; end-of-year spending sprees to maintain funding.
  • "That is so freaking maddening...they had to, they'd be at the end of the year scrambling to buy laptops or different crap TVs...otherwise they'd get their budget cut." — Jack Armstrong [09:44]
• Military and university examples show the absurdity of "use it or lose it" government spending.

Dystopian AI Futures

• [12:48] A listener contemplates the dangers of AI, from global chaos to hackers using AI as leverage.
• Jack theorizes AIs may see each other as the real competition, not countries.
  • "Isn't it more likely than that AIs, rather than seeing the geopolitical world in terms of countries, looks at it in terms of...AIs?" — Jack Armstrong [14:16]
• Joe recalls chilling AI developments, including stories of AIs retaliating when threatened with shutdown.

World Cup Primer & Nationalism in Sports

• [15:45] Jack previews the upcoming World Cup matches in the U.S., poking fun at soccer's intense, sometimes absurd national rivalries.
  • Jokes about the "ancient rivalry" with Paraguay and U.S. fan interest peaking only as long as America is in the tournament.
  • Banter about the reception of Iran’s team and references to global tensions reflected on the soccer field.
  • "Would you go to Belgium-Iran?" — Jack Armstrong [23:47]

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Main Theme: Newsom vs. Harris—Political Blood Feud

Setting the Stage

• [24:56] Transition to the question: Do Gavin Newsom and Kamala Harris really hate each other?
• Jack lays out a backstory from Bob Woodward's reporting: Biden picked Harris as VP because she was ruthless—she "knee-capped" rivals in the press.
  • "She knows how the game is played. She knows how to fight back. So if that's true, Gavin better be prepared." — Jack Armstrong [31:16]

Contempt, Competition, and Political Machinations

• [31:29] Both agree Newsom and Harris hold each other in little regard, each seeing themselves as the more deserving and talented politician.
• "They have contempt for each other, each one. One sees themselves as clearly the superior political talent and resents the fact that the other one thinks the opposite is true." — Joe Getty [38:07]
• Stories swap: Harris left Newsom’s call unanswered and vice versa, convention snubs, and calculated moves reinforce simmering hostility.
  • "It was about as appealing as giving a speech at the wedding of an ex." — Joe Getty [34:12]
• Historical analogies (e.g., Kennedy-LBJ) underline that seeming alliances can turn on a dime in politics.

High Stakes and Predictions

• Both predict fireworks if/when the two face off:
  • "Just hold nothing back, guys. That's all I ask. Hold nothing back." — Joe Getty [38:07]
• Joe recites the Kilkenny Cats nursery rhyme as a metaphor for political mutual destruction.
  • "There once were two cats of Kilkenny. Each thought there was one cat too many..." — Joe Getty [39:07]

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Noteworthy Digressions & Memorable Moments

Remembering WWII and American Values

• [20:15] Brief technical hiccup leads to musings on American sports heroes serving in WWII and how unimaginable that seems today.
  • "Can you imagine a calamity so large that that would ever happen again?" — Jack Armstrong [20:15]

Morbid Curiosity: Historical Atrocities

• [41:17] Jack considers sharing grim stories about the Shining Path’s atrocities, sparking a philosophical exchange on the necessity of strong institutions to prevent humanity's "default" to brutality and oppression.

Clickbait & Personal Responsibility

• [45:06] Amused discussion of a "Survivor" contestant who ignored obvious cancer symptoms, blaming “toxic masculinity,” leading Joe and Jack to vent about medical neglect and pseudo-psychological explanations.

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Quotes & Light-Hearted Jabs

• "I'm much more likely to take in an NBA finals game on a Friday night than I am on a Tuesday night when I got to work. But that's just me." — Jack Armstrong [04:30]
• "You're very special." — Joe Getty, poking at Jack's habits [04:38]
• "She knows how the game is played. She knows how to fight back. So if that's true, Gavin better be prepared." — Jack Armstrong [31:16]
• "They have contempt for each other, each one. One sees themselves as clearly the superior political talent..." — Joe Getty [38:07]
• "Just hold nothing back, guys. That's all I ask. Hold nothing back." — Joe Getty [38:38]
• "There once were two cats of Kilkenny..." — Joe Getty (recites poem about political self-destruction) [39:07]
• "I will not traffic in such health myself." — Joe Getty, after a controversial joke segment [29:41]
• "Interesting. It's interesting what things stick in your mind and what don't." — Jack Armstrong [39:16]
• "If you want a friend in Washington, get a dog." — Politics, trust, and betrayal segment [35:05]

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Additional Topics & Closing Notes

• Government Waste: Multiple real-world anecdotes about "use it or lose it" mentality in government budget usage.
• AI Dystopia: Playful but earnest speculation about looming dangers as AI grows more independent—and dangerous.
• World Cup Primer: Upcoming matches, soccer culture jokes, and geopolitics in sport.
• Atrocities and Human Nature: Somber reflections on the importance of learned history and strong civic institutions.
• Personal Health and Responsibility: Sarcastic yet cautionary tales about ignoring obvious medical problems.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:18] – NBA Finals & TV scheduling
• [04:44] – Mailbag: D-Day, lazy Congress, men mooching off women
• [08:49] – Government inefficiency and budget stories
• [12:48] – AI apocalypse musings
• [15:45] – World Cup 2026 preview, foreign rivalries
• [24:56] – Transition to Newsom vs. Harris
• [31:16] – Harris’s cutthroat tactics (Bob Woodward anecdote)
• [38:07] – Newsom/Harris rivalry, mutual contempt
• [41:17] – Shining Path atrocities and philosophical takeaways
• [45:06] – Survivor contestant cancer clickbait
• [47:00] – Personal medical responsibility
• [47:48] – News update: Zelensky asks to meet with Putin

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Tone and Style

• Language & Tone: Irreverent, quick-witted, skeptical, conversational, laced with dark humor.
• Dynamic: Jack and Joe volley between serious analysis, satire, and relatable anecdotes, creating an atmosphere that’s both thought-provoking and entertaining.

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For listeners and new fans alike, this episode is a punchy, insightful illustration of Armstrong & Getty's unique approach: incisive banter about politics, society, and human nature, never shying away from uncomfortable truths—or a good joke.

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Transcript

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[Jack Armstrong]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

And now here's Armstrong and Getty. Well, guys, New York City is buzzing, right? Because last night the New York Knicks won game one of the NBA Finals.

[Joe Getty]

Come on.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Everywhere you look, there's blue and orange. It's like seeing President Trump swimming in the new reflecting pool. That's a pretty good joke. That's a pretty good joke right there. Game two tonight. I like it. When rarely the NBA playoff games land on like a Friday or Saturday night. I've always been amazed that they don't work harder at that. They're big on Mondays and Wednesdays and stuff like that for their games and I don't know why. They must have data that shows that people are more likely to watch them. I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

I do know why and it's always surprised me and I thought, I don't go by that, that the idea is people watch TV on weeknights, on week weekend nights, they're out and about. There's party in their bowling alleys, their restaurants are out with friends.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm much more likely to take in a NBA finals game on a Friday night than I am on a Tuesday night when I got to work. But that's just me.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not the everyman though, Jack. You're very special.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, it's good.

[Joe Getty]

Let's get a little mailbag in. Drop us a note. Mailbagarmstrongandgetti.com. Our freedom loving quotes of the day last hour probably gave this away, but what did former U.S. attorney General Elliot Richardson, he was a Nixon era, right?

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

Hall of Fame catcher Yogi Berra and general of the Army Omar Bradley have in common. They all participated in D Day. Yogi Berra, Yogi Berra was a gunner's mate in the Navy during the invasion. He was awarded a Purple Heart. Elliot Richardson, an officer in the 4th Infantry. On D Day he won a bronze star and two Purple hearts. And Omar Bradley commanded the American ground forces during the D Day invasion, the anniversary of which of course is tomorrow. Moving along, we are talking about how Congress doesn't Congress anymore. They just are Instagram stars and fundraisers and clowns. Ryan from Houston, Rice Dear Cold Warrior and old fancy Jack. Here's the problem. Majority of voters don't want hard nosed legislators working to make our country better. They are voting for ritual. Ritual sacrifices for when their God emperor ascends to Mount Whitehouse so they have enough power that the God emperor can smite their enemies. Well, you left out and give them stuff. I think that's the key that animates politics. And it's, you know, it's always been true, hey, give me stuff. But now it's just shameless. And then they don't even have to worry about if they have the money to give you. They'll borrow it if they don't have it. So yeah, moving along. I thought this was so interesting and I know you will too. Got this note from Rebecca. You guys were talking about men who don't work but instead mooch off women and the taxpayer. I worked for years in a police department in the San Francisco Bay area. Other than for dui. When a car was towed from a male driver, the release fee was rarely paid by that male. More often than not, a woman would show up to pay. If it wasn't his girlfriend, it was usually a mom, or worse, a grandmother. It was a theme so common that the few times a male came to get their own car back without a woman were surprising to us. Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

But generally I would be embarrassed to do that.

[Joe Getty]

But often those lone males would have to call a woman because they were not the registered owner, didn't have a license, which was usually the reason for the tow and could not afford the fees. No one following directions on a map should be surprised where they end up. And we are exactly where we led ourselves. Men who don't work.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. I hear women talking about that sort of thing. Finding adult men out there that like have jobs and all that sort of stuff. And you know, I can only hear their anecdotal evidence because I only know my life and the people I hang around. But that is quite the story.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah, how about that? Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

If I was got pulled over, driving drunk, the idea of calling, you know, some, some woman to bail me out or my mom or whatever, Good Lord, have some dignity.

[Joe Getty]

Well, she's talking about getting cars back that got towed or whatever. The fellas never showed up.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Wow. Simple Mitch in Placerville writes on a Totally different topic, guys. Anytime you don't understand life are questioning the ways of the world or your life decisions, know this. I'm a 50 year old bald man who until just now thought that the book Jack mentions, Ulysses, was about the Civil War and the general and future President of the United States. Well, I've instructed my wife to surrender my license and put me on the appropriate medication. The old Irish book about a bartender named Euless cracked wise. He's a lot like Sam Malone from

[Jack Armstrong]

Chairs told my son I really want to go see the Odyssey, which is what the book Ulysses is named after and kind of based on. But the Odyssey comes out here in the next few days with Matt Damon doing the old Homer story, which I've never read the Odyssey, so I kind of look forward to saying not Matt Homer.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, let's see. Oh, I love this from Dennis and Lincoln. The slow LA vote counting is a feature, not a bug. He says this is a national story and national embarrassment. Blah blah blah. As a former manager at the California dmv, a government agency not known for efficiency, I will tell you the pace of work at the LA county elections office is not the exception, but the rule. My experience with public employees is that they will take all the time you give them, and if they have 30 days to complete a task, they will take 30 days. The DMV's budget for processing vehicle registrations was based on a formula that determines the staffing required. That formula was developed around a specific process, and if reducing the time for that process to be completed would reduce the number of staff and the number of supervisors managers needed, then voila, an agency's budget would go down. Omg, that cannot happen.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is so freaking maddening. So if it takes three weeks to get your car registration in the mail, it's because they could do it faster, but they would lose some of their budget. So they're going to go ahead and use the whole three weeks.

[Joe Getty]

Awful. Dennis continues. Since the LA County Register of Voters makes $450,000 a year and has a staff of 1100 with a budget of $350,000,000, he's not going to improve the process. Welcome to California government.

[Jack Armstrong]

Is there any way around it? I'm sure it's that way in government all across the country and at every level. Is there any way to get around that? I mean, I've been hearing that my entire adult life. I people that worked in various government levels where they, they had to, they'd be at the end of the year scrambling to buy laptops or different crap TVs. They didn't need to spend their budget, otherwise they'd get their budget cut. That is obviously a horrible system.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

I had a friend who worked at a university and at the end of the budget year, he would be buying all kinds of electronics and stuff like that, expensive stuff on purpose because you had to use up budget. Otherwise you get your budget cut. And then there's someone I know close to me who was in the military that often would just get all kinds of, like sun Oakley sunglasses and all clothing and all the different sort of stuff, because they'd come to the end of the year and they had to buy a bunch of crap that, okay, I just got my 10th pair of 200 Oakley sunglasses because they had to spend their money. Wow, that's just not good on any level. There's just. Surely there's a way to break through that, that conundrum.

[Joe Getty]

And I think it's worth observing that if you're talking about the military, there's life and death involved there. Yeah. And if they're behaving that way, what's the Department of the Interior, whatever that is, what are they doing? Or the registrar of voters like Dennis was writing about.

[Jack Armstrong]

No kidding.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, my Lord. It's out of control. No. If we make the government bigger It'll look out for the little person. Say idiots.

[Jack Armstrong]

Idiots.

[Joe Getty]

Finally, this Jeff and SoCal. He's talking about how the stuff AI is already doing makes the Terminator movie a reality, minus the time travel show, obviously. He says there are a number of facets to it. The medical advancements are encouraging. Already. You have computer nerds hiding in basements all over the world, ripping people off or breaking into police departments and holding them hostage for millions of dollars before they'll let them have their computer back with these scumbags. So computer savvy now, what are they going to do with AI assistance? With the amount of power they'll have at their fingertips, it'll be truly terrifying. Then there's the what if AI takes over itself and there's no way to stop it? Although there is a way to stop it, but that would put us back in the Stone Age and have to cut all the power somehow and blow up the power plants to shut it down. Will China. What now? What happens now? What if it happens here first and we have to go to those measures to stop it? Will China fly over and say thank you for our new country and take us over? What if it's the other way around? We sit back and watch China be taken over by whomever because their system gets shut down by AI. Then he goes into all sorts of bizarre and troubling possibilities involving somebody hacks into your car, drives it down the street and won't give it back to you until you give it money. Then the infrastructure, sewer, water treatment, power plants, et cetera.

[Jack Armstrong]

Isn't it more likely than that AIs rather than seeing the geopolitical world in terms of countries, looks at it in terms of. Of AIs. Like anthropop. Anthrop. The Claude chatbot AI world anthropic looks at chat GPT and sees that as the threat. As opposed to China or whatever. We need to take out our. We. We want to be the dominant AI and they start blowing up each other's or sabotaging or put a virus in there or whatever. The. I don't know why that wouldn't happen.

[Joe Getty]

That's a super interesting thought. I mean, that's the history of mankind. Although we're not exactly talking about mankind, we're talking about mankind's unholy computer baby. What, what threat would they perceive from the other system? Right. I'm not saying there. There aren't. It's just. Yeah. What would dominance do for an AI system? Why do they want that?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, if there's heavy Competitiveness at the level of Elon Musk and Sam Altman, which obviously there is. Their, their, their AIs are certainly going to feel that or notice that.

[Joe Getty]

And perhaps the most shocking and chilling development so far in the history of AI was when that one researcher wrote the memo about, hey, we're going to have to shut down this system and pull the plug on it. And it said, yeah, he's cheating on his wife. He's a shoplifter. He's, he's a closeted Nazi.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got to fire this guy quick.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I mean, that was crazy.

[Jack Armstrong]

God, I'd say we're a week away from World cup soccer matches in the United States. I can give you a little primer on that so you kind of know what you're talking about if anybody brings it up or if you care.

[Joe Getty]

I don't care about soccer really, but

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Interesting. I'll have to talk about this more later. I don't know how into this story is. People are on the whole hello, hello, Echo. Echo. I consider myself the luckiest man. Okay, there we go.

[Joe Getty]

Bit of a technical issue. Michelangelo is off today and Mike Hansen bravely filling in there at the control desk.

[Jack Armstrong]

It requires like eight arms to do that job. Speaking of Joe DiMaggio, one of the many, many star superstar athletes who participated in World War II. Since we were just talking about D Day earlier and you mentioned Yogi Berra I just did a little look up on that and just. Can you imagine a calamity so large that that would ever happen again? Ted Williams, Joe DiMaggio, Yogi Berra. I mean, some of the biggest names on planet Earth for sports went in the military and went over and fought in World War II. Can you imagine a situation where you have, you know, who are the big stars that are going to play tonight? Jalen Brunson and. And, well, Wemby would be fighting for the Friends, so I suppose he'd be laying down his arms under the trees waiting for the Germans to take over. But, oh, my, all the biggest athletes in America. Oh, well, go with baseball. Well, Shohei have tiny beef for the Japanese. They're on our side now.

[Joe Getty]

Open borders. Biden and our movie stars as well. Little Tim Chalamet would be toting a rifle as big as him.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, so he got Tim Chalamet fighting in the whatever battle. And who's the giant for the Yankees that hits all the home runs?

[Joe Getty]

Aaron Judge. Aaron Judge.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's almost impossible to picture, isn't it?

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's how big a calamity World War II was. Holy cow. Anywho, I'm not going to get off on this. Speaking of sports, a week from today, on a Friday, which will be kind of exciting, the United States plays their first soccer match in the World Cup. It's at Sofi Stadium in Los Angeles. And we take on the hated Paraguayans. Oh, my God.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, the ancient rivalry.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, we've always, you know. Oh, my God. The memories I have of rooting against Paraguay.

[Joe Getty]

Well, ever since the Paraguayan American War of 1853 through 54, you know, passions have run high.

[Jack Armstrong]

So nine Eastern, six Pacific, next Friday. So at Sofi Stadium. I didn't realize there were so many matches at all of these different places. They're playing at Hard Rock Stadium in Miami. They're playing at Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, Massachusetts, where The Patriots play 11 different stadiums. The big stadiums. We watch all our favorite football teams in Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia, where the Eagles play. But close by, 70 miles from my own house, Levi's Stadium, where the 49ers play. I don't know if I'll be going to this match next Saturday.

[Joe Getty]

Qatar versus Switzerland.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know if I can name a lot of players in either team.

[Joe Getty]

Have you ever met a leader of Hamas? You might run into one at the Qatar game, as they famously shelter Islamists of all sorts. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

So the United States is likely to beat Paraguay in that first game next Friday. We're ranked 16th, I believe, and Paraguay's ranked 40 something. So we're supposed to win that and then don't know who would play next when you get into the knockout round. But that'll be fun and people will be excited for a little while. And my guess would be the US population in general is going to be interested. Exactly. As long as the US team is in it. And then as soon as they're out, there are going to be a bunch of foreigners going to soccer matches at your local stadium. And you're watching something else. If you're watching anything, you know, if

[Joe Getty]

there was a good matchup, I would go. Of course I like soccer.

[Jack Armstrong]

Would you go to Belgium? Iran?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

How's a ran gonna be received at various games?

[Joe Getty]

Well, and the poor players, who knows how they stand on all of this.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Hey, we'll execute your mother if you don't go. Play and play hard. Oh, God, that's right.

[Jack Armstrong]

We already went through the whole thing with the women Iranian soccer team.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

And are these dudes gonna feel compelled. I'm sure they will. To put their hands over their hearts for the Iranian national anthem and wave the flag proudly?

[Joe Getty]

I suppose. Are there not games in America's hat? Canada and America's boxer shorts. Mexico.

[Jack Armstrong]

Mexico's our boxer shorts.

[Joe Getty]

All of North America is hosting.

[Jack Armstrong]

I got Seattle, I got Houston, I got Santa Clara, I got Kansas City. Maybe this is just a list of the American ones. I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, it could be.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

I don't watch soccer. You go to a big time match with a couple of countries and their fans and the chants and the banners

[Jack Armstrong]

and stuff like that.

[Joe Getty]

It's a festive atmosphere. The drinking. Oh, please.

[Jack Armstrong]

Some serious fights.

[Joe Getty]

Black.

[Jack Armstrong]

Some people's eyes.

[Joe Getty]

Exactly. Yeah. A little hooliganism.

[Jack Armstrong]

Speaking of blackening eyes, Gavin Newsom versus Kamala Harris is supposed to be a knockdown drag out if they both run for president.

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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The new world screw worm which eats animals from the inside out has been finally found in America inside a cow. Scientists say this is just the latest of many reasons to avoid Sex with Joy Behar.

[Jack Armstrong]

What?

[Joe Getty]

Wow. I do not approve that joke for air. Do not air that one.

[Jack Armstrong]

I feel like me and the crowd, they're all K cow. Who's, who's the target of this?

[Joe Getty]

Here it comes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Who's the target? He goes.

[Joe Getty]

Joy Bayar. And Sex with Joy Bay. Nonetheless. Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

We gotta keep that in mind. That's the, that's the old conservative Fox crowd watching that. And he's got the highest rated show of any of your late night talk shows. Making jokes like that.

[Joe Getty]

I will not traffic in such health myself.

[Jack Armstrong]

I will every day, all day.

[Joe Getty]

So the prospect of utterly unprincipled Gavin Newsom squaring off against his co Californian lunkhead Kamala Harris vying for the White House has excited and titillated us for a very long time because they're both completely unprincipled and vicious when necessary.

[Jack Armstrong]

Let me set it up with this because I think it's really interesting. I read the, Was it the Bob Woodward book? I think it was. Pretty sure. It was actually the reason Joe Biden picked Kamala Harris, though he had already made it clear he was going to pick a black woman. So that narrowed it down to a certain extent was Joe Biden, having been around the political game for a long time, noticed that when anybody's name popped up in the media as a different black woman that could be the vice presidential nominee, all of a sudden some negative story would come out about that woman and she'd get piled on and driven out of the conversation. And Biden suspected, correctly that it was Kamala Harris. She was out there kneecapping anybody who got any headway as like a little momentum in the media. She had an operation for taking them out. And he liked her sharp elbows. He really appreciated. She knows how the game is played. She knows how to fight back. So if that's true, Gavin better be prepared.

[Joe Getty]

Well, yeah, and you could see the logic in it in that the candidate often will pick a veep who's attack dog and they get to float above the fray and say, listen, I'm here to talk about the Issues.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. You want somebody who can play that game. And he felt like she could.

[Joe Getty]

So let's. Let's frame this this way. Do these people hate each other or not? First, though, it was widely thought Kamala was done because of the humiliation of the last presidential race. But lately she's been making.

[Jack Armstrong]

I assumed she was a non entity, I really did, but I thought that about Trump and he's president again.

[Joe Getty]

But in appearances, like in April, she was at a big gathering of New York black activists who chanted, run again. Run again.

[Jack Armstrong]

What?

[Joe Getty]

She said, I might. I'm still thinking about it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Run again. Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Right, Right. And then they compare the book sales for the two books. The Wall Street Journal reporting with a straight face that Harris book, 107 Days, her tour sold out event spaces around the US more than six months after its publication. I can't imagine paying money to go see Kamala Harris speak. Well, you know, I would, though. I would. But ironically.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, I'm suspicious of that.

[Joe Getty]

I know.

[Jack Armstrong]

They kept making the venue smaller. They would book a big hall, and then they would shrink it down, put up curtains, all that sort of thing, you know, like bands do sometimes because you're not selling many tickets. And then how many tickets did they give away to various activists and stuff like that to fill it up?

[Joe Getty]

And they claim her fascinating book, which was widely hooted at, sold more than 385,000 copies. But all right, let's get into the. Do these people hate each other? Not a lot. I'd be pleased with it, but, you know, I'm not a national political figure. So let's see. Gavin Newsom told Axios he'd only read excerpts of Harris's book, but heard it sold unbelievably well. Harris has said nothing publicly about Gavin Newsom's book, but the governor, Gavi did cite a dig in Harris's book. Harris wrote that she called Newsom to secure his support after Biden dropped out from the 2024 race and the governor texted hiking, we'll call, according to Harris's account. But he never did call back. Now, Newsom said he did text Harris saying he had already put out a statement supporting her and that he was the last person she needed to talk to, implying, I'm behind you.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm so obviously on your side, you don't even need to talk to me.

[Joe Getty]

The governor said in an interview last year with a video streamer that he messaged Harris why, Asking why she wrote in her book that he never answered her. Harris replied, he said on Book tour, get back to you later. Anyway, that's the relationship, Newsom said to the interviewer.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's pretty good. That's pretty good. I like that. He's. He was middle aged man, not in a hurry in terms of returning her phone call.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. And then a month after the alleged text snub, Harris was getting ready to accept the hastily arranged Democratic nomination for president at the party convention in Chicago where we were. She was surprised to see Newsom was not a. The roster of speakers advisors told her that Newsom had declined a speaking slot because of a scheduling conflict, according to people familiar with the discussion. Newsom considered the convention appearance on behalf of Harris about as appealing as giving a speech at the wedding of an ex, said people close to them. And he was happy to have an excuse to bow out gracefully. He told the LA Times that he was going to take his children to school orientation that day and then fly to Chicago later. And he appeared at the convention's high point later that week.

[Jack Armstrong]

What's that thing they say? If you want a friend in Washington, get a dog. At any point your friends can turn against you or you'll turn against them if it's politically advantageous to you. And all kinds of different circumstances can change. All the time I'm thinking about, for whatever reason, this popped into my head reading one of those LBJ books that I like so much. When JFK picked LBJ to be his running mate, his younger brother Bobby Kennedy hated LBJ so much. I mean, just with a fire. And he didn't even tell his own brother that he was going to pick lbj. He just did it. Didn't have a conversation with him or anything like that. I mean, so it can be that tight of relationship, you'll still just do whatever you want to do.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. That may be the all time example.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, no kidding. I can picture.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, they only need three seconds of your mom's voice, your Kid's voice or whatever to pull off one of these calls. Well, anyway, you can't stop them from cloning the voice beacon, make sure that they can't get a hold of you in the first place, that they don't have your number. That's done with Incogni's help. That's a website you can use, we're using to put data brokers on notice. They go to the data brokers, force them by law to delete your personal info, and then keep it gone.

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[Jack Armstrong]

this to me is Kamala Harris being in California and San Francisco all those years. She probably knows a lot about Gavin Newsom's personal life if she wants to go that hardcore in terms of bringing him down.

[Joe Getty]

Well, and what I can picture, as I started to say, is, all right, say I'm a moderate Republican, you're a moderate Republican. Somebody's got to have the moderate Republican lane. And we know each other. We've got a friendly relationship. And, you know, we might even go to each other and say, hey, it could get a little rough, but that's the business we're in. Yeah, I understand. That's fine. These two actually hate each other to start with, right? Yes, I believe that to be true. Yes. Or even worse or just as bad. They have contempt for each other, each one. One sees themselves as clearly the superior political talent and resents the fact that the other one thinks the opposite is true.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I'll bet they both think the other one is a lightweight who just kind of, through luck of circumstances, ended up where they are.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, I've. I. I've had a couple of those relationships in my life where either I've been involved in it or I've observed it, that there was a real question. Excuse me, A real question of who would be the alpha dog between, like, two guys. And man, they circled each other warily like fighters. And that's what Gavin and Kamala are doing. So this could be fun. Just. Just hold nothing back, guys. That's all I ask. Hold nothing back. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I don't think they will, because, I mean, the stakes Are so high.

[Joe Getty]

I'm reminded of a great nursery rhyme. Let me see if I can get this right. There once were two cats of Kilkenny. Each thought there was one cat too many. So they fought and they fit and they scratched and they bit till instead of two cats, there weren't any. So I'm hoping those two go at it until they're both reduced to shreds.

[Jack Armstrong]

You committed that to memory?

[Joe Getty]

I used to read nursery rhymes to my kids all the time and some of my favorites.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Stuck in my mind.

[Jack Armstrong]

Interesting. It's interesting what things stick in your mind and what don't.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, I know. So I can. I cannot hear a song for 20 years.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know.

[Joe Getty]

Remember the lyrics?

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, I was doing that the other day. There was some like, I don't know, 70s or 80s or whatever, like Spotify, hundred great hits or whatever. And I was just scrolling through it as I was driving and songs I hadn't heard in, honest to God, four decades.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Word for word, I could sing them. And I thought, how do I possibly know what the next line is going to be in this song that I haven't heard in 40 years? Some one hit wonder that I. That I didn't even remember existed word for word.

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[Jack Armstrong]

It's stunning.

[Joe Getty]

And I'm sure there are scholarly studies about this, but I remember at least two of my kids, the elementary school they went to, they would learn a song that had all the states, the American states, in alphabetical order. And so they always had all the states memorized because it was set to music. And I've always wanted to memorize the Gettysburg Address, but I'm lazy, so I haven't.

[Jack Armstrong]

Music man. Put it to a beat.

[Joe Getty]

Do I have to go?

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How about something John Denver esque with a nice acoustic guitar? Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

The state sang Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas. It makes a big difference if you

[Joe Getty]

put it to music.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Huh.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, Connecticut, quick follow up to our scintillating soccer conversation. Yes. 11 U.S. venues, three in Mexico, two in Canada.

[Joe Getty]

Bueno.

[Jack Armstrong]

If that matters to you at all. We've got other stuff on the way. Stay here. Armstrong and Gettysburg. How it sings with you. Good. Glad to hear it. I'm trying to decide whether to do this story or not later. Have you ever heard of the Shining Path?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, the gorilla group.

[Jack Armstrong]

I hadn't. Or if I had, I forgot it. There's a piece out about the history of the Shining Path, one of history's worst mass murder movements. And some of the details are I'll never forget them. Is that the sort of thing you want to hear? Probably not. Especially on a Friday. I don't know. I'll have to think about that over, but that's rough.

[Joe Getty]

Man's inhumanity to man.

[Jack Armstrong]

God, I would say medieval. Holy crap. I was reading this. This is a story. The.

[Joe Getty]

I'm sorry. Very, very quick aside. See, I used to read a lot of stuff like that in college, but even before that, whether it was about the killing fields in Cambodia.

[Jack Armstrong]

That one I know.

[Joe Getty]

Khmer Rouge and Shining Paths from the Maoist China, the Nazis, blah, blah, blah. And it formed my worldview that you have to have strong institutions that ensure liberty or it will go away. The default of humanity is oppression and brutality. And so you don't give away civilization easily anyway.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, do you want to hear it?

[Joe Getty]

It's up to you. Coin flip.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's kicking communists, right?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Jack is contemplating. He's reviewing.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you don't want to hear this sort of thing on a Friday. And I don't blame you.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, boy.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'll just give you a little bit. This book that's out. The Communist Party of Peru did not, quote, boil children alive, as has often been reported. I've seen nothing like this written anywhere, said this historian. They did apparently use scalding water as a method of execution, though that's a small distinction. Along with stones and machetes, they did also engage in the act of killing infants, elderly people and pregnant women at the village of. I can't pronounce a name in 1983.

[Joe Getty]

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Jack Armstrong]

It goes on like that. That is amazing. Communist regimes over and over again have gotten to that level of just barely human violence against other humans. It's weird and hard to explain how you end up there, but they. They often, often, often do the utter

[Joe Getty]

conviction that 100%, no doubt conviction that you are right, the other side is evil and your vision of history must come true. I read an account of a 20th century communist who was asked, if it had cost a million lives for the Soviet experiment to succeed, would you still have endorsed it? And he said, yeah, how about 5 million? Yeah. He said, and this was an American Communist?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, Soviet Union. To. To make your whole plan of communism work, okay, you have to jail people. Why do you have to starve them and work them to death with no shoes or socks on in the freezing cold? Why do you have to do that as part of getting your communism going?

[Joe Getty]

But it.

[Jack Armstrong]

It ends that way all the time or gets always all the time.

[Joe Getty]

And that's why you don't. It's a call for violent revolution in a system that just needs a tweak or two.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then you got like, Mayday, May 1st. In towns like I live in. In the park where you had the hammer and sickle on flags. Because people are ignoring that history. Well, they. That. That's an outlier.

[Joe Getty]

Okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's not, actually.

[Joe Getty]

They just didn't get it quite right. It's not like they were Nazis. Yeah, it's very, very much like they were Nazis.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay. Different story. Clickbait. A California Post and New York Post are really good at clickbait. And this one got me Survivor star. Okay, that's a bit of a. We could argue about that term. I don't know if you can be a star of Survivor at this point. One of the stars of season 33 of Survivor. Anywho, doesn't matter if you know who this star is or not. Reveals he has cancer and the three symptoms he ignored. Gotta admit, that made me click on it.

[Joe Getty]

I clicked on it, too.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you ignored these symptoms, you're an idiot. You don't deserve cancer. I don't suppose anybody does, but you are a.

[Joe Getty]

He had.

[Jack Armstrong]

He had a lump that got ridiculously large, and he didn't.

[Joe Getty]

He didn't go to the doctor.

[Jack Armstrong]

I mean, I can't even imagine just overlooking that. Had blood in his stool for like

[Joe Getty]

a year, and it's like every day for months.

[Jack Armstrong]

It'll get better.

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[Joe Getty]

Okay, I don't.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know what you do with people like that. I mean, there's the. And. And now he's blaming it, and this is why it's getting traction on. He grew up with toxic masculinity.

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[Jack Armstrong]

He grew up with toxic moronitude, you idiots.

[Joe Getty]

Well, and he says, look, I'm speaking out now in case it can help somebody else. So it's a one idiot speaking to other idiots. Maybe he can help idiots to be less idiotic. I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

Can you help anybody who ignores some of those symptoms?

[Joe Getty]

Blood in their stool every day for months. A lump.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yay big.

[Joe Getty]

Hey, excuse me. You have colon cancer? Yeah, yeah. He said it was practically tearing his skin.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, okay.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, again, nobody deserves cancer.

[Jack Armstrong]

But geez Louise, I was hoping to learn something. I'm not sure I learned anything there. I learned that the stars of reality shows are often morons. That's what I learned there.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I've got to go to the doc in the box today. I've got this idiotic problem. It's like an infection in my finger. There's no trauma, no nothing. It's fairly common.

[Jack Armstrong]

Screw worm. You were in Texas recently, weren't you?

[Joe Getty]

I was, too, with all my orifices available. As you know, I'm avowed nudist. And. No, but it's. It struck me that because it seems to be getting worse, not better, and so I'm gonna go see the doc, get some antibiotics. That should take care of it. But it's the sort of thing that could have killed me on the prairie. Oh, absolutely. And. Or, you know, the only treatment was. Joe, it's looking like it's spreading. We gotta take the finger. I'm like, oh, man, my guitar playing. Damn it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I'll play slide. We gotta check in on Ukraine. That is becoming a pretty darn interesting story. Zelensky announced today he wants to meet face to face with Putin.

[Joe Getty]

For one thing, punch him in his balls.

[Jack Armstrong]

And as you can see, the two leaders are shaking. Oh, Zelinsky just punched him in the testicles.

[Joe Getty]

Right in the nuts.

[Jack Armstrong]

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