They're Bent

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand – “They’re Bent”

Date: August 22, 2025
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Podcast Theme: Candid, irreverent conversation about the news—politics, culture, education, security, and more, with personal anecdotes and pointed opinions.

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Jack and Joe tackle a range of news stories and social trends with their trademark bluntness and humor. From offshore betting on kids' sports to shifting NFL cheerleader norms, from deep dives into the Ukraine/Russia conflict and U.S. “lawfare,” to AI’s impact on classroom integrity, they navigate current events with skepticism and eye-rolling laughter. They also discuss a Navy espionage case and lament the state of political discourse, government overreach, and “woke” media.

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Key Discussion Topics & Insights

1. Offshore Betting on Little League Games

[02:49-03:54]

• A report reveals that overseas betting (like BetOnline in Panama) on Little League World Series has doubled and now exceeds wagers on WNBA, tennis, and soccer matches.
  • Quote:
    “That’s not a good look for soccer or the WNBA that there are more people betting on Little League baseball…” — Jack [03:18]
  • Jack and Joe are disturbed by the possibility of game-fixing involving kids.
  • Joe: “Where there is sports betting, there is an effort to fix it. … those two things coexist 100%.” [03:54]

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2. Male and ‘Effeminate’ NFL Cheerleaders: Culture Clash

[04:00-08:51]

• Jack expresses surprise that NFL teams now feature effeminate male cheerleaders dressing as women, reflecting on changing norms versus fan expectations.
  • Questions the intent: “Who’s that for?” — Jack [04:48]
• Joe calls it another example of “woke DEI stuff” persisting in media and sports.
  • “The march forward in education and media and sports… they seem to bend over backward to be enlightened and woke.” — Joe [05:17]
• The conversation touches on activist pressure, particularly from groups like the Human Rights Campaign.
  • Joe: “That blackmailing outfit… They go to the NFL… say, ‘We want transgender cheerleaders, or we’re going to tell everybody what a homophobic, dangerous…’” [06:43]
• Segment capped with parody (“Bud Light’s Real American Heroes”) lampooning old perceptions of male cheerleaders.

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3. Federal Workforce Shrinking – Reaction

[09:30-10:20]

• Jack highlights news that the federal government will lose 300,000 workers by year’s end—a major reduction since WWII.
  • “Would be the largest single year reduction since World War II. Obviously the big government crowd is horrified…” — Jack [09:44]
• Joe responds from a taxpayer’s perspective:
  • “We’ve been growing it and growing it… we’re drowning in debt… Something’s gotta give.” [10:10]

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4. Putin’s Demands in Ukraine – “Peace” is Surrender

[11:34-14:37]

• Reuters reports Putin will only stop the war if Ukraine surrenders the Donbass, stays neutral, and bans Western troops.
  • Jack: “In other words, what we’ve been saying… Putin has no interest whatsoever in ending this war.” [12:16]
  • Joe references Trump’s tough rhetoric about not letting Ukraine win if it’s only allowed to defend, not attack.
    • “Trump saying hey, there’s no defense if you don’t have a good offense.” [13:05]
  • They discuss the possibility of U.S. policy shifting to allow Ukraine offensive use of U.S. weapons.
• Joe sums up the situation:
  • “Putin’s Ukraine summitry was a big con. …That’s not something Trump is likely to sit back and just take.” [14:01]

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5. “Lawfare,” John Bolton’s FBI Raid, and Political Retaliation

[19:33-32:19 and 28:42-32:19]

• News breaks that John Bolton (Trump’s former National Security Advisor) had his home raided by the FBI regarding classified documents.
  • Jack: “That’s a big story either way… if it’s legit… or just going after enemies to scare them… Big story.” [19:33]
  • Joe suggests Trump may be using the same tactics Democrats have used on him: “Lawfare.”
    • “You’re gonna engage in lawfare against me… okay, here’s how it feels. We gonna do this.” [30:19]
• They reflect on the toxic cycle of political retaliation (impeachments, raids) and hope the cycle eventually burns out.
  • Jack: “So maybe… we go through a couple of rounds of that. Everybody realizes… you gain nothing… then we stop doing it again.” [31:03]

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6. AI and the Disruption of Classroom Integrity

[21:39-24:26]

• Jack chats with a local English teacher about managing student writing in the age of ChatGPT and AI.
  • In-class writing is now essential, since take-home assignments can be easily faked.
  • Jack describes how students can prompt ChatGPT to write just-barely-passing essays.
• Producer Katie reveals a detective trick: ChatGPT still uses an “extended dash”—a telltale sign in written work. [23:25]
  • Quote: “If you ever get something written, you’ll see there’s a longer dash than there should be… that is the indicator that these people are using ChatGPT.” — Katie [23:25]
• Joe and Jack agree that more education must happen live in the classroom; it’s the only way to ensure students’ work is genuine.

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7. Navy Espionage Conviction and Media “Wokeness”

[33:13-40:37]

• They discuss the news of a Navy sailor (Jinchao Wei) convicted of spying for China, noting the media’s reluctance to name him or note his ancestry.
  • Joe: “As I heard the headline unspooling, I was waiting for the name. Chinese ancestry.” [33:41]
  • Jack: “CNN report I saw did not give his name. They gave a drawing, not a picture…” [33:47]
  • The hosts critique media for omitting facts out of fear of “racism” accusations, calling it “malpractice” and “woke.”
• They recap the pattern of Chinese intelligence recruiting Chinese-Americans via flattery, blackmail, or threats to family:
  • “It might be one of those—China reached out… ‘Your family back home…’” — Jack [35:05]
• Betrayal often motivated by money, flattery, or dissatisfaction, not ideology.
  • Joe: “This guy betrayed his country for… $12,000.” [35:11]
  • Jack: “It’s often really, really stupid.” [36:30]
• Ultimately, the story ends on the futility and sadness that befalls most traitors.

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8. Regulation, Innovation, and ‘Rent-Seeking’ – The Table Saw Story

[47:09-49:43]

• Joe details a WSJ story about a table saw equipped with a safety feature that prevents injuries—but at great expense.
  • The manufacturers lobbied to make their technology mandatory, a maneuver Jack compares to tire air pressure monitors.
  • Joe calls this “rent-seeking”—using regulation and patents to mandate your product and corner the market for profit, rather than competing.
    • “That is rent seeking, that’s petitioning the government instead of competing…” — Joe [49:31]

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9. Quick Hits:

• Pub Culture and Gen Z ([50:28-50:38])
  • British pub owners are baffled that Gen Z now lines up single file at the bar due to COVID habits—upending centuries-old, crowded “belly up” traditions.
• Friday Night Lights ([44:42-44:53])
  • Jack is headed to his son’s high school football game, classic American tradition.
• Border/Prison Projects Blocked by Environmental Review ([45:17-46:38])
  • “Alligator Alcatraz” immigration facility must be dismantled after an environmental suit, fueling Jack and Joe’s skepticism about environmental rules as tools for political or legal sabotage.
  • “The number one way to shut down any project… is the environmental stuff.” — Jack [46:00]

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Notable Quotes

• “Where there is sports betting, there is an effort to fix it… those two things coexist 100%.” — Joe Getty [03:54]
• “Effeminate male cheerleaders—the hell? What the hell is… Who’s that for?” — Jack Armstrong [04:48]
• “It’s still on the march forward in education and media and sports…” — Joe Getty [05:17]
• “I just, I’m just shocked… it just seems like thumb in the eye of your average fan.” — Jack Armstrong [06:13]
• “That blackmailing outfit [Human Rights Campaign]… They go to the NFL… or we’re going to tell everybody what a homophobic, dangerous… You use speech as violence…” — Joe Getty [06:43]
• “300,000 fewer federal workers… largest single year reduction since World War II.” — Jack Armstrong [09:44]
• “If you ever get something written, you’ll see there’s a longer dash than there should be… that is the indicator that these people are using ChatGPT.” — Katie (producer) [23:25]
• “This guy betrayed his country for… $12,000.” — Joe Getty [35:11]
• “CNN report I saw did not give his name. They gave a drawing, not a picture…” — Jack Armstrong [33:47]
• “That is rent seeking. That’s petitioning the government instead of competing and participating in the free market.” — Joe Getty [49:31]
• “Politics isn’t getting any more gratifying.” — Joe Getty [33:13]

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Tone & Style

• Conversational: The hosts riff, joke, and occasionally digress; sometimes irreverent, but grounded in opinionated analysis.
• Skeptical: They’re quick to lampoon “woke” trends, bureaucratic overreach, and media omissions.
• Cynical humor: Political fatigue and social absurdity are greeted with sarcasm or mockery.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:49 — Offshore Little League Betting
• 04:00 — NFL Cheerleader Culture Shift
• 09:30 — Federal Workforce Cuts
• 11:34 — Putin’s Demands/Zelensky & Ukraine
• 21:39 — AI and Cheating in Classrooms
• 28:42 — Bolton FBI Raid and “Lawfare”
• 33:13 — Navy Spy Case/Media “Wokeness”
• 47:09 — Regulation “Rent-Seeking”
• 50:28 — Gen Z and British Pub Lines

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This episode delivers the Armstrong & Getty blend of skepticism, humor, frustration, and insight for listeners craving sharp, unvarnished commentary on the state of America’s politics, media, and culture.

Transcript

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Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty Armstrong and Getty. And now he here's Armstrong and Yeti.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, that's not a good look for soccer or the WNBA that there are more people betting on Little League baseball or tennis.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that, that story's distasteful in several different ways.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

First of all, what's become of Panamanian offshore sports betting? It used to be so reliable, so respectable. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then I suppose the concern is, you're bribing the kids. Do you tell the second baseman, hey, I'll get you a PS5 if you strike out in the third inning or whatever.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, no, we don't want that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Where there is sports betting, there is an effort to fix it that just those two things coexist 100%.

[Jack Armstrong]

Speaking of sports, follow up the last hour. Apparently I am wrong about this. So a fair amount of attention given to the fact that Minnesota Vikings had these two male cheerleaders. Who then when I finally, and I thought, whatever, there's always been male cheerleaders. And then when I saw the two dudes, I mean, they are very effeminate. They, they, they try to act like women. They, they wear the women's cheerleading outfit. We were informed by an emailer that lots of teams have male cheerleaders. And my reaction was, yeah, I know, they always have. You got a couple of strong guys that toss the women in the ear. I just, NFL Insider just contacted me and said, no, every team now, lots of teams now have the effeminate cheerleaders. That's a thing. So effeminate male cheerleaders the hell? What the hell is a good question. Who's that for?

[Joe Getty]

That is another example of where normal people are relieved that a lot of the woke DEI stuff is being pushed back primarily by the Trump administration. Insane people across America. It is still on. The march forward in education and media and sports is kind of a special case because they seem to bend over backward to be enlightened and woke.

[Jack Armstrong]

But why? How are they not more aware of their audience? Isn't that like the least likely audience in America to want to embrace effeminate men dressed as girls as their cheerleaders? NFL crowds.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. I just, I think the NFL in particular is a league full of fast, violent, strong young men who occasionally do bad stuff. It is toxic masculinity all over it. And so they're just ultra, you know, hyper aware of being politically correct, to use the old term in way. And like Major League Baseball abandoning Atlanta for the All Star game after the George Floyd thing because the voting law changes. That was one of the worst, stupidest things I've seen any major organization do. It was inexplicable and inexcusable, but slightly. But it shows you how far they go.

[Jack Armstrong]

But a slightly complex story. This one is not. Your customer base ain't into the whole trans thing. And now you got dudes dressed as chicks, as cheerleaders. Who do you think you're serving? I just, I'm just surprised by. I don't care. It doesn't bother me. It's not gonna have any effect on how much I watch or whether I go to a game or anything like that. And I don't hate the people that are doing it. It does, but I'm just shocked. It just seems like thumb in the eye of your average fan.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I used to occasionally listen to sports talk radio and became aware that, that that whole world is only kind of dimly aware of this social, you know, controversies and stuff that we deal with all the time. The whole woke thing, they're only barely aware of it and so they really don't know how to handle it. And so they overcorrect constantly. I mean, the idea that you need like kind of sort of trans cheerleaders jumping around right now is. It's bizarre. But you've got like the Human Rights Campaign. I think that's the name of the organization that's that blackmailing outfit. They learned everything they could from like the Jesse Jackson's of the world, where they go to the NFL, for instance, and say, look, we want transgender cheerleaders, or we're going to tell everybody what a homophobic, dangerous you. You use speech as violence. You're homophobic, you're transphobic. We'll say that you're. You're causing people to commit suicides. Or you can do this for us. And the companies in the leagues, they give in over and over again. They used to. A lot of companies have booted the HRC out now. They were kowtowing to them for a while, but they're not anymore. Thank goodness.

[Jack Armstrong]

This used to be the view of male cheerleaders. Bud Light presents Real American Heroes.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Male football cheerleader.

[Joe Getty]

Mr.

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[Jack Armstrong]

It all comes down to you.

[Joe Getty]

Will you call for a perky pyramid.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or a Pepe line dance?

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[Jack Armstrong]

The way to hacking sack.

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[Jack Armstrong]

That's gonna count for something.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

And the fact that it was the lead singer from Survivor. Is that right?

[Joe Getty]

Yes, absolutely. Yeah, it's absolutely fantastic.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, so I was wrong about the cheerleader thing that's sweeping the nation. I guess they think their fans want that.

[Joe Getty]

Whatever.

[Jack Armstrong]

Who even notices the cheerleaders at a game anyway? You almost have to be watching on TV to know to know they're there. Unless you have seats right by where they are, otherwise you're just not going to see them.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Couple of news items for you. We mentioned this earlier, but a few of the details. There will be 300,000 fewer federal workers on the government payroll by the end of this year than there were at the beginning of the year. That amounts to a loss of about one in eight federal civilian workers. Would be the largest single year reduction since World War II. Obviously the big government crowd is horrified by this and what can we do to protect our federal workers?

[Joe Getty]

The rest of us who are taxpayers.

[Jack Armstrong]

Think, yeah, it's almost certainly the government is big enough to be able to absorb that. And I'm glad to hear it.

[Joe Getty]

Right? And look, we've been growing it and growing it and growing it and we're drowning in debt and drowning our children and grandchildren in debt. Something's gotta give.

[Jack Armstrong]

And Reuters with a heck of an interesting report about where Putin's head is on the whole peace deal. We'll tell you about that right after.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Claims it is talking to three sources familiar with top level Kremlin thinking about the whole peace process. That has been the number one story in the world for the last week. They got three sources saying that Putin is going to demand or is demanding standing by his demands that Ukraine give up all of the Donbass region, which Zelensky has said is a no go, because that's just that would be absolutely giving them a launching pad to go into Kyiv. At some point. Ukraine needs to renounce ambitions to join NATO and remain neutral and no keeping Western troops of any kind anywhere in the country.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that seems reasonable.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, as was pointed out by Zelensky and others, that would be basically surrendering and setting yourself up to be completely taken over in the near future. If they have no troops to protect them and they give up that staging ground for attack on the Capitol, game over. So in other words, what we've been saying the last several days, Putin has no interest whatsoever in ending this war. You know, I, you can't blame him for coming out and say, yeah, I'll stop if you give me everything I want without losing any more soldiers, I suppose, but if you don't, I'm going to keep fighting.

[Joe Getty]

Interesting statement from the president on social media in mostly all caps, but not entirely. This is a very serious thing, but I can't restrain myself. I'll read it as he wrote it. The president posted on social media after there are a couple statements from the Kremlin that made clear what Jack was just saying, posted on social media that President Biden would not let Ukraine fight back, only defend. And it is very hard, if not impossible to win a war without attacking the invading country. There is no chance of winning. So Trump saying Hey, there's no defense if you don't have a good offense. Gotta have a good offense.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's interesting because the end of this Reuters article included, does that mean that Donald Trump will move forward with the sanctions and tell Ukraine they can use the weapons we've given them for offensive attacks into Russia? And that, that tweet or post would lead me to believe he's, he's okay with that. Going to be okay with that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

That, that moves us into a different phase of the war if we're giving him more weapons and saying, you know, do what you got to do.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. One of Trump's faults is that he throws a rock at every dog that barks, to paraphrase Churchill. But being pantsed on the world stage by Putin just jerked around. I mean, because the headline, the Wall Street Journal, and I think the editorial board is Putin's Ukraine summitry was a big con. And I don't, I don't think you can disagree with that. Honestly. That's, that's, that's not something Trump is likely to sit back and just take.

[Jack Armstrong]

Boy, things could get exciting.

[Joe Getty]

Rosie o' DONNELL Saying something stupid brings his wrath. This will surely get his attention.

[Jack Armstrong]

Like I've been saying, get as mad at Putin as you have been at Rosie o', Donnell, would you? At least once. I talked to an English teacher yesterday about how AI is affecting the way she's teaching English class for freshmen in high school. Among other things we got coming up. Hope you can stay here.

[Joe Getty]

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[Joe Getty]

Democrat Senator Amy Klobuchar says clips of her saying Sydney Sweeney has perfect breasts are fake videos, but admitted she did say Governor Tim Waltz rocks a solid B cup.

[Jack Armstrong]

That one didn't do it for me. Can you play a different one? Michael?

[Joe Getty]

The Democratic Party's finances are in trouble after spending $15 million to pay off Kamala's. But at least they'll get half of that back in bottle returns. The whole Kamala's a drunk narrative, this.

[Jack Armstrong]

Is never ending theme of leaning on it. Um, so Trump's former national security advisor had his home raided this morning. John Bolton, which could be a big story either way if it's legit that they're going after documents that Bolton was one of the many people leaking things he shouldn't have been leaking as part of the whole Russia hoax because he hated Trump so much. That's a big story if it's just going after enemies to scare them. Hey, say bad news, bad, bad things about me on cable news. And the feds will be looking through your home looking for stuff that's a big story. Either one of them are a big story.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I don't know which it is yet.

[Joe Getty]

Unsettled times, no doubt.

[Jack Armstrong]

But Trump has said something about it. Maybe we'll have that for you later. I noticed on cable news he is wearing a hat today. The usual red hat with white letters that says Trump was right about everything. That's what his hat says.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

And it like it just doesn't even hardly make a mark because we live in such weird Times. I mean, 20 years ago, President wearing a hat like that would have been crazy. But no, we live in different times. Last night. So I'm at this barbecue, I mentioned a church nearby. I have like blocks from where I live, a school I didn't even know was there, which I find Interesting. Kindergarten through graduating high school. Didn't even know I was there. But it's a small church school and not a ton of students. Pretty small. And my neighbors are involved in that church. And his wife is 9th grade English teacher. Anyway, I got into the conversation. First thing I asked her is, what are they reading in 9th grade English class? And they're reading the classic, which I thought was really cool. You know, Of Mice and Men and Lord of the Flies and the stuff you read, you should be reading. Is it probably as a freshman in.

[Joe Getty]

High school, a lot of got a nice compare and contrast to that with government schools coming up later in the show. Stay with us.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay. But anyway, I brought up the idea of AI like is. AI started to become a thing. Oh yeah. I didn't even get the. I didn't even get the sentence out of my mouth before she responded to that. And it's a. So like we've talked about and read about, she has to do in class writing assignments to get a sense of where their writing is and to. And then. And then at least has that to compare to things that could get turned in that don't look anything like that. And it's had that happen apparently a couple of times where a paper gets tuned in. Like, I've seen your writing. I know you're writing. This is not your writing.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

But I think that's the direction they're definitely going to have to go in college where your. Your writing assignments are in class, because otherwise I don't see how you're going to stop it especially. And I brought up to her the example we had heard. I think it was from the San Francisco Chronicle, you know, kids being smart enough to say, hey, chat GPT, write a paper about Lord of the Flies, that would get me a B as a freshman in high school so that it doesn't come off as like, you know.

[Joe Getty]

Right. You're the New York Times book reviewer.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right? Yeah. And that she grimaced at that. Oh, geez. Yeah. Because that, that could make it tough. But.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, boy. Yeah. I was gonna say the quality thing is one aspect of it, but I know you have to use. And I have no idea how they work, but these anti AI apps yourself, because it recognizes the signatures somehow of artificially created writing maybe.

[Jack Armstrong]

And for now. So that's the problem with that. Yes, Katie.

[Joe Getty]

So I have to tell you guys, there's one indicator where you can tell if somebody used chat GPT.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

So if you click the dash on your keyboard, just the one click, quick little dash, you See, it's a short line. Yeah. Chat GPT has an extended dash. So if you ever get something written, you'll see there's a longer dash than there should be. And that is the indicator that is all over the Internet that these people are using Chat GPT.

[Jack Armstrong]

Interesting. I will look for that. And now that you say that, I do recall looking at things that has longer dash. Surely they'll fix that though. See, that's the problem is everything you come up with the whole AI bots are going to be, you know, correct very quickly. But I think I love the idea of all levels of schooling moving toward the actual education in the classroom to try to figure out where kids are. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

[Joe Getty]

I would agree. Absolutely. And emphasizing grasping of ideas.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Opposed to regurgitating content. But you can do that in class too. But yeah, it's got to be in class. It's just, it's obviously the trend.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And I don't think there's any other way to do it. Is Trump doing what people were doing to him? They used Lawfare against him, so he's going to use it against them. I hope that's not what's going on today. Among other stories on the way Armstrong.

[Joe Getty]

And Getty.

[Jamie]

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[Joe Getty]

Oh, hey. Hey.

[Jamie]

Thanks for meeting me here on such short notice. This place isn't bugged, is it?

[Joe Getty]

Bugged? Wait, Jamie, what's going on?

[Jamie]

It's just you're my only lawyer friend and I need your professional opinion. Do you see that brand new Hyundai Tucson out there? Yeah, that's all I paid for it.

[Joe Getty]

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[Joe Getty]

And I'd walk into a room with.

[Jack Armstrong]

Him with a foreign country and the foreign country would give me everything because.

[Joe Getty]

They said, oh, no, they're going to.

[Jack Armstrong]

Get blown up because John Bolton is there. He's a not a smart guy, but.

[Joe Getty]

He could be a very unpatriotic guy. We're going to find out.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know nothing about it. I just saw it this morning.

[Joe Getty]

They did a raid.

[Jack Armstrong]

So Trump's national security advisor from his first term had his home raided while he was there by the FBI early this morning. Agents showed up and started going through all his stuff and carrying out computers and papers and stuff like that. Trump says he didn't know anything about it. Bolton's an unpatriotic guy. He thinks we'll find out the charge. Well, let's hear from. Or do we want to hear from? I don't know if I want to hear from. I changed my mind. I don't want to hear from. But Cash Patel basically said in a statement that they believe there's all kinds of security leaks that are going on and classified information. Yeah, the same thing that has happened to a whole bunch of different people over the last several years. The classified. You got classified stuff that you shouldn't have, or you leak classified stuff you shouldn't have. And maybe Bolton was part of the whole. The leaks around the Russia investigation because he hated Trump. So we'll find out. I guess.

[Joe Getty]

So you were talking about lawfare and we're against it, and so we can't be for it if our side does it. But you know, Jack, I'm like a kaleidoscope with my ever changing moods and I, I gotta admit, there's part of me that thinks you could make the argument. I haven't settled on this argument. But you can make it that Trump is saying, oh, this is how we're gonna do it. You don't like me as a candidate, so you're going to make a giant deal out of me having classified documents, even though every president leaves with some classified documents, because everything is classified. And again, I'm not arguing this point of view, but I'm thinking it. It's worth hearing. And, and you're gonna engage in lawfare against me. You're gonna make up crap. You're gonna have compliant attorneys who, who run on. I'm gonna get Trump for something, cook up charges. Okay, here's how it feels. We gonna do this.

[Jack Armstrong]

Let's do this.

[Joe Getty]

And then both sides decide, yeah, we, we shouldn't do this anymore.

[Jack Armstrong]

Think that's the way that you go through the cycle. I hope that's the way you would go through the cycle again.

[Joe Getty]

I'm not arguing that that's true, but I want to consider it.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's like the impeachment thing is everybody agrees that if the Dems take over the House, they're going to impeach Trump again. And you know that if Kamala would have won, I could hardly get that sentence out of my mouth. That if Kamala would have won or Biden would have won and there was a Republican House, they would have impeached them. So we're just going to impeach. If the other side has the House, you will get impeached as a president now. So maybe then the same thing happens is what you just said. We go through a couple of rounds of that. Everybody realizes you spend a lot of time in political capital, you gain nothing because they're never convicted. And then we stop doing it again.

[Joe Getty]

Maybe so far. And granted, you know, it's only August a year one. Good gracious. I'm not sure I have it in me to survive four years. Anyway, it's only August. But only a couple of cranks in the Democratic Party have seriously talked about impeaching Trump this time. I think the, the normal people, the steady hands, the reasonable people are like, no, we don't, we don't want to just do that all the time.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that's interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Bad.

[Jack Armstrong]

Look, all my favorite pundits say it's a hundred percent that the Democrats take the House. They're going to impeach Trump.

[Joe Getty]

For what in particular?

[Jack Armstrong]

The plane. Taking the plane from Guitar or. I mean, just a whole bunch. A bunch of different things you could go after.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Doesn't mean you're going to win. But.

[Joe Getty]

And your.

[Jack Armstrong]

But, yeah. Crypto stuff. And your base would feel like, hey, we're fighting. Finally, we're fighting. One more thing. On the Bolton raid on this report.

[Joe Getty]

His security clearances and his security detail that he had a government subsidized. Subsidized. Excuse me. Security detail was stripped by President Trump. He said that it was unnecessary. Bolton says that he is at risk from the Iran regime of potential assassination attempts or other sorts of plots or.

[iHeart Announcer]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

So Bolton's making the argument that, hey, Iran has made it clear out loud that they're trying to assassinate me still. So I don't know if I could be losing any security clearances or protection or anything like that. So that's another wrinkle in the story.

[Joe Getty]

Politics isn't getting any more gratifying.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, it's not.

[Joe Getty]

It absolutely is uplifting.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's not going in the right direction, as I often point out. What is going in the right direction. Did you see this story about the Navy sailor convicted of espionage the other day?

[Joe Getty]

I did.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's troubling, isn't it? He confused.

[Joe Getty]

Nobody's willing to say this, but as I heard the headline unspooling, I was waiting for the name.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Chinese ancestry.

[Jack Armstrong]

Is he.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, 100.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow, that's interesting. The CNN report I saw did not give his name. They gave a drawing, not a picture. And I thought in the drawing, he looks Chinese. Is he Chinese?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, there's. There's a mug shot. There's his service picture. His name is known. It's out there. Of course, CNN is a pile of crap. I mean, criticizing them is just, wow. Unnecessary. Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

So they're so concerned that will lead rednecks or somebody to think everybody from China is a spy or something, lead.

[Joe Getty]

To racism and a backlash against Chinese Americans.

[Jack Armstrong]

They leave out the Occam's razor detail.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, this guy confessed to selling technical and all kinds of other different stuff and sending manuals for our big ships over there and, you know, stuff that we. You wouldn't want to give to the Chinese. He was recruited by a Chinese intelligence officer through social media in February of 2022. And it might be. I don't know, but we know this happens on college campuses. It might be one of those. China reached out to him and said, hey, you know, your family back home is going to have some real problems you could avoid if you would just do a little. Take a couple pictures with your phone.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Of these blueprints or whatever and just send them off to us. Pretty easy to do.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. This guy betrayed his country for. Get ready for this. $12,000.

[Jack Armstrong]

That makes you an idiot, but maybe you're being threatened at the same time. Don't. Don't know that.

[Joe Getty]

Exactly. And the way they lure people in like this pots, and I suspect he's just a. Pots, as opposed to a dedicated communist. But, yeah, they will. They will say, hey, we've identified you as A prominent Chinese American or something like that. We're all very proud of you, blah, blah, blah. Send us a picture of yourself for local paper and you'll think, yeah, what the hell? And then they'll say, hey. And then they'll ask you to do something that is still legal and still ethical, but getting closer to the line. And they'll offer you a few bucks for your trouble. Then they'll ask you to do something that's just a couple inches over the line of ethics or your oaths or whatever. And at the point that you do that, or maybe like the next one, they've got you. Well, they say, look, you're going to keep going or we're going to report you and you're going to go to jail.

[Jack Armstrong]

As somebody who's read a lot about the various traitors to their country over the years, you know, CIA agents, FBI agents or whatever that have done this sort of thing, it is very often somebody who's just angry because they didn't get a promotion or mad at their wife.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, it's just.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's often really, really stupid.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Or piddling amounts of money.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Or, you know, and sometimes it is ideology. But I mean, if you're like up with communism, that makes you an idiot. Right. So between stupidity, greed and like just being grumpy, people will betray their country for that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And then summative is it is just flattery. They flatter you and make you feel really, really important in your job. You don't feel important, but they make you feel like you're doing something important and that that alone. Like Kim Philby, one of the most famous spies of all time. That seemed to be a lot of his thing. And he was also a half a communist, but he just thought he was.

[Joe Getty]

Well, in a man named Kim. Kim. That had to eat at him, Right? Is that part of it?

[Jack Armstrong]

He just thought he was going to be a giant star and big deal in the Soviet Union when he finally escaped and went over there and they stuck him in an apartment alone and used him for nothing for the rest of his life. He just died there alone and sad.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Which is, you know, they'd gotten everything they wanted out of him, but he thought he was going to be, you know, like talking with the Kremlin and part of their all. But no, once they were done with him, they were done.

[Joe Getty]

Senior advisor.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, exactly.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Nothing.

[Joe Getty]

Just a sad end, if you can get it.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's almost always just a sad, pathetic ending to these spies.

[Joe Getty]

It's horrible. Yeah. No kidding.

[Jack Armstrong]

But you're, I'm glad you brought that point that the guy's got Chinese ancestry.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

The, the chance that that's not a factor in this story is very low, isn't it?

[Joe Getty]

Well, yeah. Yeah. And again, whether he's just a putz, the victim of blackmail, a greed head, or you know, they've got his uncle or his mom in the gulag, I, I don't know. Go ahead, say something. I'm checking.

[Jack Armstrong]

But it's, but it's so unlikely that it's nothing than for news organizations to leave that fact out.

[Joe Getty]

Oh yeah, they're. They're completely bent. They're woke.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's malpractice.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, it is. They're terrible at their jobs.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't watch the news. That's a good choice, son.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah. Well done, lad. There's hope for the next generation. Jin chow Wei of 25 years old was found guilty on Wednesday by a federal jury. That's unbelievable.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've heard this story at least three different times on different networks and never heard his name.

[Joe Getty]

That's wild.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well. And not. And also not wild. Not. Not the least bit surprising.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. So he was recruited. Stop with the pop up ads. He was recruited online by a person they later identified as a Chinese intelligence officer who initially posed as naval enthusiast. Few days later, Wei told a friend he thought that he was on the radar of a Chinese intelligence organization because he was in contact with someone who is extremely suspicious and interested in the maintenance cycle of naval ships and wanted him to walk the pier to see which shop ships are docked on a daily basis for money. He said he was no idiot and this is quite obviously effing espionage. But that's weird. Whether they bribed him or that was some sort of. That's why.

[Jack Armstrong]

Did he think he was being a double agent then or what?

[Joe Getty]

I don't know. Because that was just a friend, right? That he told. He was arrested in August 23rd as he arrived for work. Plenty of evidence during his post arrest interview with the FBI way said I'm screwed. When they asked him why he said that I'm sharing the unclassified document to. I mean document with him. I'm not supposed to do that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well then why did you, you putz?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, see, I'm just thinking this guy's a putz.

[Jack Armstrong]

Could be.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, you know, he might be like a dedicated Chinese spy playing the putz. That's, you know, it wouldn't be the first person to do that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Freaking putzes. What do we do about them and.

[Joe Getty]

Fake putzes even worse.

[Jack Armstrong]

We got more on the way. Stay here.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Joe Getty]

Oh, hey.

[Jamie]

Hey. Thanks for meeting me here on such short notice. This place isn't bugged, is it?

[Joe Getty]

Bugs. Wait, Jamie, what's going on?

[Jamie]

It's just you're my only lawyer friend and I need your professional opinion. Do you see that brand new Hyundai Tucson out there? Yeah, that's all I paid for it.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Depending on where you live. High school football season is back around here. It starts tonight, Friday Night Lights. And my son is playing drums. He doesn't play football, but he plays drums in the drum line. And we'll be playing at a football game. And I will go watch.

[Joe Getty]

Excellent. Excellent. It's a beloved American tradition. It is. So a handful of stories worth at least touching on. Federal judges ordered much of Alligator Alcatraz dismantled. Probably because the name's too cool for him. As we've highlighted the immigration customs, people have decided to name all the prisons something really groovy.

[Jack Armstrong]

What was the one? The Indian Cornhusker?

[Joe Getty]

Clink. That was stretch.

[Jack Armstrong]

But what was the other one Indiana had?

[Joe Getty]

It was something Depot. The deport depot. Was that it? Oh, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway.

[Joe Getty]

Which, by the way, they tried to make merch that Looked like Home Depot and Home Depot threw a fit, so they canceled all the merch. Why?

[Jack Armstrong]

Why are they closing Alligator Alcatra? Too many people eaten by alligators.

[Joe Getty]

Some US District judge lady of the Southern District of Florida said Thursday that The government had 60 days to remove fencing, lighting, generators, sewage facilities and other major parts. She ordered a halt to new construction, said it shouldn't accept any detainees. It was all an allegation that the government failed to conduct a required environmental impact review.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

And ignored other legal requirements.

[Jack Armstrong]

Man. The number one way to shut down any project if you want to, or just drag it out to make it cost more, if that's your game, is the environmental stuff.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah. That's why a lot of those laws and regulations exist. And we'll get to something similar in just a moment or two. It's not to protect the environment. It's so that you can sue somebody and demand higher wages for your union workers. For instance. Happens in California all the time. Of course, I'm afraid we're coming off as if we don't care about the Florida panther and the Florida bonneted bat that live in that area. Need to be protected, evidently. All right, so what about illegals that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Need to be eaten by alligators if they try to escape?

[Joe Getty]

Well, right. Yeah. Yeah, what about that? So, well, maybe some of the illegals who are eating the dogs and cats of Springfield, Ohio, eating the bonneted bats and Florida panthers. So that would be an environmental life.

[Jack Armstrong]

Life comes full, full circle.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. You know, I should probably do this similar story here. Yeah, I'll do it, but this is great. Kim Strassel, brilliant writer, Wall Street Journal Opinion Page. The tale of the rent seeking saw.

[Jack Armstrong]

I saw this.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, you did? It's about a table saw that this, this guy invented that senses with, you know, various. I think it's electric sensors, light sensors, something like that. I can't remember I read it. But it senses flesh. So if your finger gets by the saw blade close to the saw blade, it super quick clamps breaks on it and stops the blade.

[Jack Armstrong]

That sounds awesome.

[Joe Getty]

It's fantastic. It's also very expensive. And when you do that, how much.

[Jack Armstrong]

Is your thumb worth, Joe?

[Joe Getty]

My thumb in particular. Not only is it expensive to build the thing with the sensors, but then when it does clamp down, kind of ruins the brake pads in the saw blade. And you've got to, you know, redo stuff. It's an expense every time the thing kicks in.

[Jack Armstrong]

But you still have your thumb.

[Joe Getty]

That's true. Both of them. If you're lucky. Oh, my gosh. The Gary Condit thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, God.

[Joe Getty]

Tabloids claiming his wife had no thumbs back in the day.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a throw.

[Joe Getty]

Why did that pop into my.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know. Because you're on cold medicine.

[Joe Getty]

I'm on too many drugs. Yeah. Anyway, so. Plus they mentioned that there's the obvious liability problem of a no thumb sawing. Sawing off somebody's thumb. The lawyers would. She didn't have thumbs. That's right. It was craziness. Yes. She had both of them. Anyway, so the people who made this saw, instead of like marketing the hell out of it, and they went to the government and said, hey, this ought to be mandatory to protect people's thumbs. You need to pass this regulation. And they did some good old fashioned lobbying for a very, very long time. And then there's another maneuver where they said, and I tell you what, you do that and we'll give up our patents so everybody can protect their thumbs. But they didn't really. It was a legal dodge and they enforced the patent like crazy. So they got the government, the Biden administration, to mandate you had to use and buy these saws with the safety mechanism.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's like the air pressure monitors on tires, which are so incredibly unneeded. If you want one, fine, buy it as an option. But mandating them all the cars was the sort of thing this is.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, but. So this was purely to enrich the people who make this saw because they know, they knew we have the patents. We can sell everybody on safety and make big contributions to politicians and they'll pass this and everybody looks good and we all get crazy rich and don't let anybody else use our patents. So we've cornered the market and Kim's writing about how that is rent seeking, that's petitioning the government instead of competing and participating in the free market. You know what I didn't get to a British story. I wanted to get to Britain's pub culture is being disrupted because Gen Z insists on lining up single file at the bar instead of bellying up to get a drink. What? It's making bar owners insane.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wait a second. How would this possibly be?

[Joe Getty]

Pardon me?

[Jack Armstrong]

How would this possibly be? The whole bar thing's been around for thousands of years. Why would it change all of a sudden?

[Joe Getty]

Covid, stay with us. If you can't subscribe to the podcast. Armstrong and Getty on demand. Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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