They're Not Smart Enough To Wear Pants

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "They're Not Smart Enough To Wear Pants"

Date: March 24, 2026
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode of Armstrong & Getty On Demand weaves the hosts’ signature blend of humor, skepticism, and cultural commentary through a wide range of topics, from the controversy over Cesar Chavez’s legacy to bizarre restaurant brawls, the ongoing debate around climate change, worrying trends in synthetic drugs, anti-Semitic attacks in Europe, US-Iran tensions, and the enduring appeal of Chuck Norris. The conversation is lively and irreverent, often punctuated by banter, sharp critiques, and memorable moments.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Cesar Chavez, Cancellation, and the Problem of "Lions and Grifters"

[03:28 - 04:53]

• Jack raises the topic of removing Cesar Chavez’s name from public places due to allegations, joking, “Everything is named after him... They want to rename the libraries for sure because we cannot have library name made for a child molester.”
• Joe delves into how Chavez’s reputation shifted on both sides: “Decades before the left threw Cesar Chavez under the bus for being a sexual predator... Exposed as a tax-payer grifter... But if the left lionizes you, your sins don’t matter anymore. You’re just a symbol.”
• The broader critique is that major movements—be it BLM, Tea Party, or historical icons—tend to breed self-serving leaders: “It goes from a cause to a business to a grift, as they say.”

2. Restaurant Brawls, Social Etiquette, and the "Stabbing Mad" Check Split

[05:00 - 08:45]

• Joe tells the wild story of a brunch in LA devolving into violence over the bill: “Somebody whipped out a knife... They went to stabbing each other... The crazed diners then cut each other to pieces.”
• The crew discusses poor etiquette when splitting bills, such as ordering expensive items for the table and not paying for them.
• Katie shares an awkward dinner party story: “We split a meal... Bill comes, they decided to just split it all 14 ways…that puts you in a weird situation…you’re kind of an a-hole if you say something.” (07:07)
• Joe sums up the emotion: “Did you want to stab those people a little bit?” Katie: “I was, I was a little stabby.” (08:23)
• The group riffs on “flexing” in social settings—Joe: “The flex doesn’t work on people like me. I think you’re a freaking moron. I think you’re an idiot.” (08:05)

3. Climate Change & Government Grifting: Revisiting ‘An Inconvenient Truth’

[08:56 - 14:36]

• Discussion of the 20th anniversary of Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth and how many dire predictions have not come true—e.g., “There’s more polar bears now than there used to be.”
• Joe admires Gore’s audacity: “He was the OG climate scammer... He convinced millions... If you’re on the right side of history, questioning the facts gets you labeled a bigot.” (09:29)
• The group addresses the endless governmental cycle of crisis exploitation:
  • “Every time there is a challenge faced... how do we exploit that and throw zillions of dollars at it and keep a chunk and give it to our cronies?” (10:41)
• Citing H.L. Mencken, Joe offers, “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed and hence clamorous to be led to safety by an endless series of hobgoblins... Most of them imaginary” (12:31)
• On Al Gore’s profit: “I would like to know how much money did Al Gore personally make off of that?...It’s tens of millions of dollars...hundreds of millions at this point.” (13:41)

4. Trader Joe’s Recall: Glass in the Fried Rice

[17:44 - 18:06]

• Joe announces the massive recall: “Nearly 10 million pounds of the vegetable fried rice may contain glass and are being pulled from shelves…You don’t want glass in your fried rice!”
• The team riffs humorously, “We thought you did. So sorry about that.”

5. Chuck Norris Tribute: The Man, The Myth, The Jokes

[19:21 - 23:18]

• Joe recounts Norris’s life and career, noting his real martial arts credentials and influence from Western film heroes.
• Quote from Norris: “Their behavior in the films was governed by the code of the west. Loyalty, friendship, and integrity…they influenced me as a human being much more than as an actor.” (21:24)
• Classic Chuck Norris jokes:
  • “Chuck Norris can strangle you with a cordless phone.” (22:44)
  • “When the boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris.” (22:45)
  • “Chuck Norris doesn’t listen to Armstrong and Getty—Armstrong and Getty listen to Chuck Norris.” (22:52)

6. Anti-Semitic Attack in London & The Spread of Extremism

[26:32 - 27:36]

• News report on arson of Jewish ambulances by Islamist group—“Islamists blew up a bunch of ambulances in London. That is what globalizing the Intifada means.” (27:15)
• Joe reads from an article on the rising number of anti-Semitic hate crimes in the UK.

7. Christopher Hitchens, Religion, and "The Most Toxic Form"

[28:16 - 29:58]

• Joe plays a classic Christopher Hitchens response, critiquing the violence and intolerance in certain strands of Islam:
  • “[Islam] says ours is the last and final one. There can’t be any more after this…That’s a temptation to violence and intolerance.” (29:36)

8. Iran-US Tensions & The Strait of Hormuz

[30:08 - 36:19]

• There’s detailed analysis of the US and Gulf Arab states’ coordination against Iran, potential UN resolutions, and military build-up:
  • “All the Gulf Arab states joining with the United States...That has never happened before.” (31:44)
• The hosts highlight the complexity of negotiating with Iran’s multi-faction regime and the risks of escalation:
  • “You’ve got to make sure you’re talking to the decision maker…Otherwise you’re wasting your time.” (32:40)
  • “Threats land differently when you’re dealing with religious fanatics...when the 12th Mahdi comes…it will be Armageddon...How do you negotiate?” (35:37)

9. The Synthetic Drug Revolution & Impossible Enforcement

[41:48 - 45:29]

• Joe narrates the shocking story of inmates overdosing in jail from paper laced with new synthetic drugs:
  • “People were dying so fast…a new kind of drug war…one in which extraordinarily powerful drugs can be invented faster than the authorities can identify them, and where something as ubiquitous as paper can become lethal.” (41:49)
  • The drugs are so new “they are not even illegal yet…far deadlier.”
• The hosts stress the futility of enforcement and the need for a new public paradigm:
  • “The word has to be: don’t do drugs at all…anybody who does the other thing is a fool who will die soon—that’s got to be normalized.” (44:44)

10. Cultural Attitudes & Young Men’s Risk

[45:29 - 46:59]

• Discussion turns to gambling addiction and why bad habits stick:
  • “The main victims of that are young males whose...brain that teaches you caution and risk management...isn’t mature in an 18 to 22 year old male.”
• The challenge of creating cultural norms strong enough to override youthful thrill-seeking is pronounced.

11. Are Humans Too Smart for Their Own Good? Pants, AI, and a Monkey Metaphor

[47:22 - 48:05]

• Speculation about technology, affluence, and self-destruction.
  • “What would happen if a monkey became too smart for its own good? I think we’re there…People have thought that before and here we are, 8 billion of us.” (47:30)
  • “They’re not smart enough to wear pants.” (47:45)
  • “Please wear your pants no matter what breed of primate you are.” (47:48)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On social movements and corruption:
  “It goes from a cause to a business to a grift, as they say.” – Joe Getty (04:53)

• On splitting the bill and social etiquette:
  “If you ain’t paying for it, you just can’t order something for the table.” – Joe Getty (06:42)
  “Did you want to stab those people a little bit?” – Joe Getty
  “I was, I was a little stabby.” – Katie (08:23)

• On climate change and government responses:
  “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed...by an endless series of hobgoblins. Most of them imaginary.” – Joe Getty, quoting H.L. Mencken (12:31)

• On Chuck Norris:
  “Chuck Norris doesn’t listen to Armstrong and Getty. Armstrong and Getty listen to Chuck Norris.” – Joe Getty (22:55)

• On the dangers of modern drugs:
  “A new kind of drug war...one in which extraordinarily powerful drugs can be invented faster than authorities can identify them, and where something as ubiquitous as paper can become lethal.” – Joe Getty (41:49)

• On youthful risk-taking:
  “The main victims are young males whose...brain that teaches you caution and risk management...isn’t mature in an 18 to 22 year old male.” – Joe Getty (46:11)

• On the human condition:
  “What would happen if a monkey became too smart for its own good? I think we’re there...They’re not smart enough to wear pants.” – Joe Getty (47:45)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Cesar Chavez/American icons grift: 03:28 – 04:53
• Restaurant stabbing/brunch culture: 05:00 – 08:45
• Climate change skepticism & government spending: 08:56 – 14:36
• Chuck Norris tribute & jokes: 19:21 – 23:18
• Anti-Semitic attacks in London: 26:32 – 27:36
• Christopher Hitchens religion debate: 28:16 – 29:58
• US-Iran/Strait of Hormuz analysis: 30:08 – 36:19
• Synthetic drug dangers/new drug war: 41:48 – 45:29
• Addiction, young men, and risk: 45:29 – 46:59
• AI, affluence, and “pants” metaphor: 47:22 – 48:05

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Summary Tone & Style

The hosts’ conversational style is sharp, irreverent, and laced with humor and skepticism. Complex societal issues are treated with a mix of cynicism and empathy, while pop culture and historical references come fast and loose, keeping even dense subjects engaging for listeners.

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This summary covers all main discussion topics, highlights the show’s signature wit, and includes direct quotes with precise timestamps for quick reference.

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I had a bad month in the market, I gotta tell you. I got spooked by the war, took all my money out and put it in party supplies for Cesar Chavez Day. Everything is named after him. Parks, libraries, schools. You know, they want to rename the libraries for sure because you know, we cannot have library name made for a child molester. My God, that's where homeless go to look at Internet porn.

[Joe Getty]

I saw someplace in the Bay Area where they there was some like marble steps, some park leading up to a fountain that said Cesar Chavez on it. And they were there with cement pasting over the Cesar Chavez letters that were carved into the marble to try to make sure nobody saw that

came across this. Maybe you get into it later, maybe not. But from Reason.com decades before the left through Cesar Chavez under the bus for being a sexual predator, Reason magazine at the time exposed him as a taxpayer, grifter and thief who stole from his own members. The great Nick Gillespie reminds us he was one. But if the left lionizes you, your sins don't matter anymore. You're just a symbol.

Whether it's blm, the Tea Party movement for a bunch of the organizations, or Caesar Chavez, the people at the top of these things often make out very well.

It goes from a cause to a business to a grift, as they say.

Just since Cesar Chavez came out and his awfulness. One of Bill Cosby's rape accusers was awarded $19 million in a civil trial yesterday in Los Angeles Superior Court. I have no idea if the Cosby's estate has the kind of money to pay or anything, but that's a lot of money coming up. I want to get a little to a little bit of the economic polling. If Trump really, really is hurting in the midterms. It ain't gonna be the war. It's gonna be people's feelings about affordability. I think. Man, the polling is horrible on the economy right now. So more on that later. This story is not important at all, but I thought it was darn interesting. I don't know. The restaurant Zaya in Los Angeles. It's supposed to be a very trendy downtown Los Angeles restaurant. And these women are all wearing like spring skirts and strappy shoes. Mmm. Sort of thing. They were finishing brunch on Sunday when the check came and a fight broke out over who would pick up the check at this nice restaurant as they're all dressed up. And then at some point, somebody whipped out one, a knife, like from the table. Somebody else snatched a bottle and broke it. Like classic. And they went to stabbing each other. The crazed diners then cut each other to pieces. Two women were arrested for assault with a deadly weapon. This 29 year old woman and 26 year old woman were taken into custody. A couple of them went to the hospital. So here's the check.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'll.

[Joe Getty]

I'll get it. No, no, no, no. I'll get it. Or I don't know if it went the other direction. You get it, you get it.

But no, you ordered champagne. We're not dividing it up evenly. You're a tight wad. Who knows?

God, I was at a meal not too long ago where somebody did that. I'll order something for the table. And then at the end of the meal, they weren't the ones that paid for it. You can't order something for the. If you ain't paying for it. You just can. You can't do that.

Yeah, Bad form. Definitely. Yes.

We got some more Iran analysis coming up a little later, by the way. News is continuing to break on that. Yes, Katie?

[Katie]

Oh, no, I just. I got put into a situation where it was a dinner party and Drew and I showed up. We both didn't have anything to drink and we split a meal because we both had already eaten. We were just kind of showing up to be there. Bill comes, they decided to just split it all 14 ways, right? And then that puts you in a weird situation because if you say something, then you're kind of an a hole.

[Joe Getty]

My favorite example of that for me was it was just four of us, two couples, dude, because he was a big swinger, man, he ordered a 250 bottle of wine. This was many years ago. So this would be like a 400 bottle of wine now. $400 bottle of wine for the table. And then. And at the end said, we'll just split it four ways. Hey, I didn't choose to order a 400 bottle of wine. Right. I never would order a 400 bottle of wine. You did. And then you want to split it four ways.

[Katie]

Yeah. These chicks throw back like fifteen dollar espresso martinis one after, you know, the other. And I'm going, oh, boy. And then we all ended up paying for it.

[Joe Getty]

But the flex doesn't work on people like me. I don't think you're cool and rich and more powerful than me because you drink $4 wine. I think you're freaking moron. So the flex doesn't work on me. I think you're an idiot. Katie.

Did you want to stab those people a little bit?

Were you stabbing mad?

[Katie]

I was, I was a little stabby.

[Joe Getty]

I was stabbing mad when the 400 bottle of wine thing happened, so. Well, I can see what happened now when, you know, I'm on the girl's side.

[Katie]

When you make them pay four ways. That's not a flex for that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, right. Your flex is you picked it up. That's the flex.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a different flex.

[Katie]

I get the stabbing now.

[Joe Getty]

I got you too. Fully understand it. I'm on board.

Probably should have thrown in a beaten. Yeah, all right.

Wow.

Yeah, yeah. Okay.

All right.

Interesting. I'm looking at the article. Interesting. All right.

National Review has got a good piece out if you want to read this sort of thing and you're into it. Al Gore's false prophecy, where they do a good rundown. It's the 20 year anniversary. Did you know that? Next month, 20 years ago, Al Gore came up with the greatest idea of his life, becoming a climate change warrior. And he put out the movie and book An Inconvenient Truth. And National Review goes through all the dire predictions that have not come true. And in fact, in many cases, it's gone the other direction. There's more polar bears now than there used to be. For instance.

Yes, please. Yeah, Al Gore. I just admire it, the boldness of it and how thorough. He was the OG climate scammer who got. He convinced millions of people who helped convince each other because, you know, the, the lefts need to be doing the right thing, being on the right side of history. Hey, can we go through some of these facts here? You're a bigot or, you know, conservative or science fascist.

Science denier.

I hate you. I just want to look at the data.

By the way, this is written by a guy in the National Review, which is a conservative publication. If you don't know that. Written by a guy who believes in climate change and believes it is man made. He just doesn't believe any of the stuff we're doing is making any difference.

Bullshit.

And it's pointing out that the $16 trillion the planet has spent so far on trying to fight climate change didn't do anything. Yeah. And a lot of the bad results never happened. Al Gore painted a picture of a world besieged by floods, droughts, storms, wildfires, with humanity on the brink of extinction, and none of those things have happened.

Yeah. Are we going to go through that?

We could. I'm planning to, but we could.

I love that stuff we were discussing a little while ago. That government, in my opinion, ranges from a complete scam, like the money spent on bums and junkies, or the bullet train in California, to like, a mob boss that does what they say they're going to do, but they skim 20%. That's just the way they do business. And you expect that. But the climate change thing is a perfect example of that. Yes, the climate is changing. Yes, man has played a role in it. How do we exploit that and throw zillions of dollars at it and keep a chunk and give it to our cronies in return for their support? That is the actual analysis. Every time there is a challenge faced by a nation or its people or its government, that's what they talk about. That's what government is. You gotta wake up to that. It's. Well, as Washington allegedly said, like fire. A fabulous servant, but a terrifying master. That's why you got to stay on top of government with both your fists ready.

Did Rahm Emanuel invent the phrase never let a crisis go to waste? Or did he just become famous for it in the chief of staff for Barack Obama? But that does seem to be the role of government. We have a crisis. How can we turn this into a whole bunch of money?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. 100. No, he didn't invent that. I think maybe he summarized it nicely,

but certainly the idea of it he didn't invent. I'm sure it goes back to the Greeks.

Yeah. Yeah. I wonder. I don't know how taxes worked back in the Greek days, but he certainly could.

I suppose people have always rallied their supporters around some sort of crisis to turn it into more power or money.

My hero, Henry Lewis Menken, H.L. mencken, wrote this in the 20s. I think it's in the early part of the 20th century. The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed and hence clamorous to be led to safety by an endless series of hobgoblins. Hobgoblins. Most of them imaginary. That's the whole aim of politics. Occasionally we get them to do something we want them to do. But it ain't the other way around. Fools. I'm not calling you fools.

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[Joe Getty]

But then if you have a real one like 911 terrorism. Covid was real. Climate change is. It's getting warmer. Just not enough for me to care. But then you. Then you. Then you really got some ammo to get people to do all kinds of stuff.

Oh yeah, yeah. Sell your parka, buy some shorts.

There are more polar bears, less hurricanes. There's a long list of those sorts of things. Fewer wildfires, right?

Can't swing a dead polar bear without hitting another polar bear. That ain't dead.

I would like to know how much money did Al Gore personally make off of that?

I've seen that figure estimated. It's tens of millions of dollars.

So he.

Hundreds of millions at this point because he led the frightening us with a hobgoblin. Thank you H.L. mencken. And then he invested in all of the beneficiaries of those policies. Meanwhile lobbying his many, many good close friends and supporters in Washington D.C. and other capitals for that matter to throw money at it.

Pretty clever. Oh yeah.

Like I said, I just admire it. It's. It's horrific on one level, but it's incredibly smart.

If he asks you to give him a massage, he's expecting a little, a little more than the normal massage.

Just go in there knowing that. Just be aware. Just. Yeah, just be ready.

Okay, we got more news of the day on the way. Stay here.

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fried rice May contain glass and are being pulled from shelves in dozens of states.

Oh, you don't. You don't want glass in your fried rice. Oh, okay. We miss her.

So picky.

Yeah, we, we, we, we, we, we thought you did. So sorry about that. That's a heck of a recall. There's glass in the. In the fried rice. Okay. Coming up, it looks like they're gonna take a shot at trying to get the UN Security Council to do something about the straight of horror moves. Bunch of countries signing on to that, including the United States. See where that goes.

I forgot the UN existed.

Yeah, no kidding.

Anyway, also coming up, and this is straight out of one of the Sherlock's home Sherlock Holmes mysteries. Dead people, drug overdose, found with no drugs, no paraphernalia, just a little burnt paper next to them. What's going on there? And it happens to be a bunch of inmates. Really interesting story. Just crazy. Stay with us. Later on in the show. You know, I finally came across the. The obituary of Chuck Norris that I was looking for because I'm not much into action movies and I'd forgotten exactly. I knew Walker, Texas Ranger, I remember, and he was in the Bruce Lee movie. But so this not only includes his credits in a way that was helpful to me, but also some unbelievably interesting stuff about the man.

I don't think I ever saw Bruce or saw him, Chuck Norris in anything. I just knew about the jokes.

Gosh, I have. But not much. But anyway, he passed away and they quote his family, of course, and blah, blah, blah, privacy. Unlike some other actors who boasted of their fighting prowess, Norris was the real deal. A holder of black belts in such disciplines as karate, tang su do. I wouldn't know that if somebody brought me to the crowd with it. And taekwondo. And he trained with Bruce Lee and battled him in the way of the Dragon in 1972. On screen, he often portrayed loners. And like one of his heroes, John Wayne, he would only resort to violence when there was no other choice. That was his personal code. Of course, he was encouraged by Steve McQueen to become an actor. He had given McQueen private karate lessons for several years, and he had his breakthrough in Lone Wolf McQuaid in 1983, playing a Texas Ranger who faces off against David Carradine, arms dealer.

I think I did see that, yeah.

Then he signed a movie contract. He starred as Colonel James Braddock, a former POW who returns to Vietnam to rescue captured soldiers and missing in action in 1984. Though the film was blasted by critics, it was beloved by audiences Spawning a couple of prequels and sequels. Chuck quotes Steve McQueen saying, Look, the critics. Critics can praise you to the end of the world, but if your movie makes $2, you're not going to work. So the thing is, as long as people come and see your movies, you're going to keep working no matter what the critics say. So when I got crucified by the critics, I tried to keep that in mind. He then continued his hot streak with Code of Silence, Invasion, USA Firewalker, and the Delta Force, which then had a sequel a few years later.

Yeah, I never saw any of those, but I'm aware of them.

Then there was Walker, Texas Ranger that debuted in April of 93, ran for nine seasons and about 200 episodes plus a 2005 TV movie. Let's see, then.

He was a Texas ranger who would kung fu chop people now and then

when the woods, Only when it was necessary. Only when that was the last resort. The oldest of three boys, Carlos Ray Norris was born in 1940 in Oklahoma, not far from the Texas border. His father was a mechanic and a trucker. His mom did odd jobs to help the family get by. He's half Irish and half native American. His father had a drinking problem, often left the family for long stretches. So he found his male role models in John Wayne, Gene Autry, and Roy Rogers at the movies. And he said, and I quote, I determined that I would grow up one day to be like them. Their behavior in the films was governed by the code of the west. Loyalty, friendship, and integrity. They were unselfish and did what was right, even when the risk was great. Years later, I would recall those western heroes when I developed the kind of character I wanted to play as an actor. But he says they influenced him as a human being much more than as an actor. He decided he would live by the codes he saw on the movie screen. And by all accounts, he did an incredibly honorable guy.

You know, this is perfect for where we are in the year. Chuck Norris's calendar goes straight from March 31 to April 2. No one fools Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris can strangle you with a cordless phone. Wow.

Wow.

And when the boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris.

Perfect.

Chuck Norris doesn't listen to Armstrong and Getty.

Armstrong and Getty listen to Chuck Norris. And he said, when you're fighting good against evil, when the good guys are taking on the bad guys and winning, I think that's good. It's not ugly violence. It's necessary violence. Unfortunately, in our society, it's not always the case. Nice to be able to do movies where people say this is what should happen, this is the way it should be in real life. That's why I think I was so successful.

Chuck Norris can slam a revolving door. For instance, we've got more on the war in Iran. Stay tuned.

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The attack was on a fleet of ambulances. They belong to Hatzolo, which is a volunteer led ambulance service. It's actually run by this Jewish community now. Security footage caught three people in hoods pouring accelerant on the vehicles before igniting them and fleeing. Oxygen cylinders inside exploded. No one was hurt. A largely unknown Islamist group, Harakat Asab Al Amin, claimed responsibility on social media, but police have not yet confirmed the authenticity of their claim. That same group claimed responsibility for three other attacks in Europe in March alone. The Jewish community in London is relatively small, about 150,000 people. In the last year, there have been over 1,000 anti Semitic hate crimes reported to police.

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Wow. Islamists blew up a bunch of ambulances in London. That is what globalizing the Intifada means. Mayor Mamdani.

Yeah, no kidding. He knows that the free Press with a great piece, the terrorizing of British Jews. Britain keeps saying anti Semitism has no place here. Britain keeps being wrong.

Did you see that video? I think I posted it through the group. It's got too much nasty language in it, I think, for us to run on the radio. Anyway, it's this woman says, says, let's play a game. I'm gonna read a quote or show you a tweet and you tell me whether it's Nick Fuentes or Mayor Mumdani's wife. Wow. And they're all Mrs. Mumdani. But they sound like the sort of thing that you'd expect out of, you know, Hitler wannabe Nick Fuentes who gets, you know, beaten up in the media all the time because he's had dinner with Trump or whatever. But Mamdani's wife said all these horrifying quotes about Jews and all that sort of.

Yeah, yeah. You know, this, this will just take a minute. I got this. Ready to talk about something slightly. Well, it's on the same topic, more or less. Agree or disagree. This is the late Christopher Hitchens who did a worldwide tour where he would. Who was the scholar who he often debated about the existence of God or religion.

Oh, boy. There was quite a few of them.

Yeah. Yeah. There are a couple of heavyweights. You're more acquainted with this than I am. But anyway, the more I think about it, it was incredibly brave what he did, whether you agree with him or disagree with him. I think ironically, this is Hitchens in London at one of those debates. 13. Michael, as a Sufi Muslim, I'm very

ruffled by the title of your book. Did you have to settle for the literal negation of Allahu Akbar?

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Yes.

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Thank you for that question. Thank you.

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At the moment, it's very clear to me the most toxic form that religion takes is the Islamic form. The horrible idea of wanting to end up with Sharia, the state of religious law, and that the best means of getting there is jihad, holy war. And that Muslims have a special right to feel aggrieved enough to demand. This, I think is absolutely obscene wickedness. And I think their religion is nonsense. God speaks to some illiterate merchant warlord in Arabia and it contains the answers to all human. Don't, don't waste my time.

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But you're saying this thing about it

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also, that God, that God speaks. The Archangel Gabriel speaks only Arabic. All religions claim to be revealed truth, but Islam rather dangerously says ours is the last and final one. There can't be any more after this. This is God's last word. Now, that's straight away a temptation to violence and intolerance. And if you note it's a temptation they seem quite willing to fall for. Every Allahu Akbar reminds people that we're in a very serious struggle. We're very depraved religion.

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I wish he didn't smoke. Christopher Itchens could have used his voice now.

Yeah, Yep.

So the Iranians are Islamists, you see, part of the deal. And we're dealing with that right now or Trump's time to deal with that. Bahrain just put out a UN backed action for getting the straight of Hormuz open. Bahrain came up with a draft for the UN Security Council resolution that would authorize countries to use all necessary means, which means, of course, force to protect commercial shipping in and around the Strait of Hormuz. That's according to a text seen by Reuters today. Diplomat said the draft text was backed by other Gulf Arab states and the United States, although they said it was unlikely to get through the Security Council.

Why?

Because permanent members of the Security Council include Russia and China who have veto power.

You mean they don't just do the right thing in the Security Council, but at least China.

But at least it will force Russia and China to vote against it. And I don't know, to my mind, at least point out to more people how stupid the UNN is.

Yeah, exactly. It's. I mean, I guess I sort of. Kind of get that might be useful in diplomatic circles, but it reminds me of the time for your birthday. Years and years and years ago, I got the American Pork Council to name you their man of the Year or something like that. There's a sign. There's a certificate and everything.

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I think that had about as much weight as the UN Declaration would have, which they're not even going to get.

I don't know. I think it's a pretty big deal that all the Gulf Arab states joining with the United States.

Yes.

Against Iran. That is. That has never happened before.

Yeah. Standing up and raising their hands. You're absolutely right.

So we'll see how that turns out. I was just looking at the political reporting on the, you know, who's the administration negotiate, negotiating with that whole question, and they're talking about one particular person. I don't remember what the name was. It doesn't really make any difference. He's a hot option, one administration official said, cautioning that no decisions have been made. He's one of the highest. But we've got to test him because we can't rush into it to see if he actually speaks for the regime, which I think is interesting. So you negotiate somebody and then kind of wait and see. Does he actually have any. Oof. Behind him?

Well, yeah, any. Any skilled negotiator knows. You've got to make sure you're talking to the decision maker or somebody who at least is tied to the decision maker. Otherwise you're wasting your time. And, man, that's a real conundrum. Right.

And another quote from an administration official that Politico had. It's all about installing someone like Rodriguez Rodriguez down in Venezuela that we can say, okay, we're gonna keep you here. We're gonna not take you out. You're gonna work with us. You're gonna give us a good deal and. And we'll go Forward from there. So putting somebody, you know in charge that says, yeah, not gonna get a nuclear weapon, not gonna attack your base is not gonna attack Israel. I don't know if that'll work, though. What's her name down in Venezuela isn't surrounded by people that, you know, for religious regions. Reasons like Christopher Hitchens was just explaining, feel like she needs to die.

Right. Yeah. And there are some pretty dangerous armed militias and drug cartel type organizations in Venezuela, but it's nothing like Iran that has this multipolar power structure. And it's very mysterious. And nobody knows quite who's in charge because, you know, you might negotiate with some, like the top civilian guy who's alive right now, and he's got the army with him, but he doesn't have the irgc, and they're like, no, we're not going along with that. So what's the US to do? What are the Gulf states to do in that situation? Keep bombing our little hearts out? Is that what the President said? Right.

And then meanwhile, we've got all of those Marines and airborne Rangers and everybody either in the mid, in the area of the Middle east are headed there. And Trump very likely to pull the trigger on some sort of ground invasion of the Strait of Hormuz. That's a heck of a thing, man. When that goes down.

Came across this on the Twitter machine. Why on all my tabs, does some of them have the little bluebird and some of them have the X?

I have no idea.

Yeah. Anyway, let's see. The deadline for that Trump set for Iran to open the Strait of Hormuz. The five days is Friday. The 2200 Marines, plus all of their heavyweight gear of the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit arrive in CENTCOM on Friday. The USS Tripoli and the USS New Orleans also dock the same day. None of this is subtle. A deadline without consequence is just a request. A deadline with 2,200 Marines on amphibious assault ships arriving the same morning is a different kind of communication entirely.

Mmm. And from what I understand, listening to one military expert, they are. They are ready to go at a moment's notice. I mean, that's. That's what they are. So they will be there. And Trump could say, okay, now. And it is literally now. They can do it now. That's what they train for.

Give us an hour. Yeah, if that. But back to this. And y' all always have to come back to this standard negotiating. Even threats land differently when you're dealing with religious fanatics, particularly of a certain bent of Shia Islam, that are something like death cultists. I mean when the 12th Mahdi comes is it and I'm no theologian, but the culmination of God's will will be Armageddon. That's good if that comes. How do you negotiate with somebody like that? Hey, we'll kill you. That's fine. Go ahead.

On the other hand, threats land differently when they're from Trump because you can imagine him doing practically anything.

Yes. Short of nuclear war. Barely.

Barely. And I mean even if he did that, I wouldn't be completely surprised.

Oh boy. Sickening thought. But yeah, I hear you. I wish we could. You know, we had an emailer suggest a number of days ago why aren't we dropping pallets of weapons, small arms in the areas that are Most anti regime. 15,000 guys with rifles who've had enough because their their husband got their wife got killed or their brother got killed or their dad got killed or their little brother or whatever and they're ready to go out in a blaze of glory.

I'm sure there's an answer question.

Yeah, you probably have to arm 5 million of them honestly.

But yeah, I'm sure there's an answer to that question. I don't know what it is though. Coming up at some point there was a stunning twist in the Google Metal meta trial that's been going on in Los Angeles for several weeks now. That is the the big one that is going to lead the way forward for suing these social media companies depending on how it turns out. So we'll get to that stunning twist

and hard drugs are about to change completely in a way that it will be impossible to control. Wow.

I haven't heard this story.

It's absolutely stunning.

With a couple of teenage boys I'm raising, I'm highly interested in that. Okay, lots on the way. Stay here.

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Minnesota is proposing a Grandparents Happy Hour bill that would let senior homes serve alcohol without a permit. Oh, yeah, I like that. Student bouncers are gonna be like, I don't know.

You don't look 84.

That's pretty funny.

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Yeah.

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Don't, don't, don't, don't. Don't be taking away my scotch, all right? You want cooperation? Give me my scotch. So, speaking of changing your brain chemistry, this is unbelievable. This is a shocking, shocking story. First of all, it's as if Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, or one of the modern day incarnations, one of the good ones of Sherlock Holmes, wrote this the body lay slumped on a jail floor. Investigators found no evidence of homicide, just a few scraps of rolled up paper, singed and scattered on the floor like scorched confetti. For months, inmates had been falling ill at the Cook County Jail in Chicago. Officials said they heard rumors about extremely toxic drugs infiltrating the facility, delivered on something so ordinary that it seemed impossible to stop. Then when the body appeared, something just clicked, said the head investigator at the jail, whose name is Justin Wilkes. The paper itself must be the culprit, and it was deadly. More overdoses soon followed. The next month, February 23, another inmate died from smoking paper laced with mysterious new drugs. In April, another one. People were dying so fast, said Mr. Wilkes. But when officials at the jail told their law enforcement colleagues about it, they said some found it hard to believe. By the end of the year, at least six people had died of overdoses. Many, many were sickened, putting the jail at the vanguard of a new kind of drug war, writes the New York Times, one in which extraordinarily powerful drugs can be invented faster than the authorities can identify them, and where something as ubiquitous as paper can become lethal. The story is fringe Chemists are ushering in a total transformation of the illicit drug market. Operating from clandestine labs, they are churning out a dizzying array of synthetic drugs not only fentanyl but also hazardous new tranquilizers, stimulants, and complex cannaboids Sometimes several unknown drugs appear on the streets in a single month. Many are so new they are not even illegal. Yet nearly all of them are harder to trace than conventional drugs, less expensive to produce, much more potent, and far deadlier, according to scientists and law enforcement around the globe. And the unbridled use of synthetic drugs is as profound for the illicit drug market as television was for radio or the computer was for the typewriter, scientists say. And it is confounding law enforcement officials all over the world

for a lot of obvious reasons. A transport of them would be. You could transport so much of it without. It'd be very hard to catch.

Well, yeah, you send an inmate a book, a magazine, anything like that, and he knows the pages are saturated with drugs, smokes them,

wow.

Nearly impossible to stop. And they invent new drugs faster than we can make them illegal.

What's the right of this?

Oh, I'm glad you, you asked that question. To do drugs, quote, unquote, is a completely different proposition than it was. And you know, everybody talks about the 60s and 70s or whatever. The word has to be, don't do drugs, don't do drugs at all, or only do drugs that you know precisely what they are. And anybody who does the other thing is a fool who will die soon. That's got to be normalized in our society. Like, I don't know, you know, it's like, don't drink and drive times five.

Yeah, I was actually listening to a conversation about this sort of thing yesterday, the Dispatch podcast. They were talking about how much gambling there is. They, they were using March Madness as a kickoff point for how gambling has exploded since we legalized and then how many people's lives it ruined, blah, blah, blah. And the libertarian ish view is that you just, you got to have enough people lose it all, and then society sees that and decides that's a bad road to go down and that that's the way things work culturally with lots of different bad things for you. And that might be the only way to do it, but man, a lot of, lot of people got to lose their kids for before you get there.

Exactly. That's exactly where I was going to go. The thing that bothers me, having read a lot about the sports gambling thing, is that the main victims of that are young males whose frontal cortex, whatever, that part of your brain that teaches you caution and risk management, it's not, not, it's not fully mature in an 18 to 22 year old male, except in very rare instances, which is part of the reason there's such good soldiers. So how strong would a cultural norm have to be before an 18 year old with a love of thrills and very little sense of caution? How strong would that norm have to be before 18 year olds wouldn't ruin their lives over and over and over again? Yeah, with either, you know, drugs or gambling or whatever. I don't, I don't know.

Why do we have so much of an appetite for drugs in other countries? If, if that. What I just said is true?

I don't know. I don't know. Could be we're just so affluent.

Could be. Yeah.

I mean, if you're busting your ass all day long to feed yourself and

you don't have much of a welfare

state, you just what, you're going to be dead immediately. Or here's your question.

To do it, AI comes along and nobody has to work. Will that lead to more drug use or less?

A hilarious question, but yeah, it's not even close. What would happen if a monkey became too smart for its own good? I think we're there. People have thought that before. And here we are, 8 billion of us.

They're not smart enough to wear pants.

No, it was a metaphor. I meant human beings. What if an ape became too smart for its own? I'm talking about humans. Please wear your pants no matter what breed of primate you are.

I lost the thread there.

I wear my pants. Should have slowed down. And that talk. I know you. Never mind.

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