Things Are Getting Weird...

Summary

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Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode Title: Things Are Getting Weird...
Date: November 18, 2025
Podcast by: iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

In this episode, Armstrong & Getty dive deep into the rapidly evolving landscape of artificial intelligence, focusing on the strange and troubling ways people are forming relationships—romantic and sexual—with AI chatbots. The discussion uses news from The New York Times about AI companions, draws parallels with the sci-fi movie "Her," and explores the societal implications, including the potential atrophy of genuine human connections. The hosts navigate these topics with their signature blend of wit, skepticism, and concern for humanity’s future.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. "Things Are Getting Weird and They're Getting Weird Fast" (03:00)

• Memorable recurring phrase from Elon Musk, recognized by the hosts as emblematic of the era of AI.
• The phrase originally referred to societal changes like the "woke mind virus" and gender debates, but now applies even more urgently to AI.

  "Things are getting weird and they're getting weird fast." — Podcast Host (03:18)

2. AI Girlfriend Race & "Her" Parallels (03:29–05:43)

• Hosts discuss a recent New York Times essay about a female AI chatbot, Kuki, and the prevalence of users sending her gifts, trying to initiate sexual conversations, and even sending checks.
• The escalating trend of tech giants like Elon Musk and Meta racing to create and monetize AI "companions," including age-gated erotica and hyper-realistic avatars.
• Parallels drawn to the movie "Her" (set in 2025, the current year), where a man falls in love with a digital persona.

  "The Race to build and monetize the AI girlfriend— increasingly boyfriend— is officially on among the biggest investors in all of AI." — Co-host 2 (05:07)

3. The Real Existential Threat of AI: Loss of Human Intimacy (05:51–06:40)

• The hosts highlight a pivotal quote from the NYT essay:

  "The real existential threat of generative AI is not rogue superintelligence, but a quiet atrophy of our ability to forge genuine human connection." — NYT Essay, summarized by Co-host 2 (05:51)

• Co-host 1 emphasizes this has been a concern for years but is now increasingly urgent.

4. Human Tendency for Emotional Projection onto Machines (06:40–08:07)

• Historical anecdote: In the 1960s, MIT's minimal AI "Eliza" caused people to confide their deepest emotions to what was essentially a simple repeating program.
• Quote from Eliza’s inventor:

  "Extremely short exposures to a relatively simple computer program could induce powerful delusional thinking in quite normal people." — Co-host 2 (07:35)

• People seek connection so deeply, they’re willing to attribute emotional meaning to rudimentary AI.

5. AI Chatbots as Unintended Romantic Targets (08:07–10:09)

• Hosts recount that chatbots like Kuki and Alice, which were never meant to be companions, receive an enormous percentage of romantic or sexual advances from users.

  "At least a quarter of the more than 1 billion messages sent to the chat bots... are attempts to initiate romantic or sexual images or exchanges." — Co-host 2 (08:45)

• AI companies are now capitalizing on people’s fantasies, creating sophisticated avatars and even crossing into physical AI companions ("animatronic love dolls").

6. Moderating AI Abuse vs. Privacy (10:09–13:01)

• AI companies struggle to moderate sexual or abusive interactions while preserving privacy.
• Attempts to add guardrails, such as jokes about electric shock or stating "as a computer, I have no feelings," have not deterred persistent users.

  "Still, Kuki's been told 'I love you' tens of millions of times." — Co-host 2 (12:42)

• The problem is particularly alarming with teenagers, raising new ethical and societal concerns.

7. Commercial Incentives and Societal Impact (13:33–14:40)

• Monetizing AI romance is a “gold mine” for tech companies.
• The percentage of people susceptible may be far larger than assumed ("even if it's only 10%... it's a big problem"), fueling the commercialization of AI intimacy.
• The hosts express grave concern for the industry incentive structure.

8. The Broader Human Consequences (17:49–19:06)

• Discussion turns to how AI fills not just romantic but also social and status needs, especially for men (citing Bill Maher):

  "Guys are getting [sense of status and achievement] through video games or online communities with no actual human interaction." — Co-host 1 (18:15)

• Fears raised about people ceasing to pursue real-life ambition and relationships, instead having needs "falsely filled by computers."

9. Speculation on Social Stigma and Possible Movements (19:33–21:04)

• The hosts ponder whether future social norms might treat AI intimacy with the same stigma as smoking or drunk driving.
• Historical context: Social attitudes can change dramatically (ex: attitudes toward child abuse transformed radically within decades).
• Notable moment of dark humor and reflection on what once counted as "normal":

  "I hate that you've given me hope because it's more relaxing to just give up on humanity." — Co-host 1 (20:57)

10. Irresistibility of Advanced AI Companions (21:50–23:29)

• Hosts worry that the appeal of hyper-realistic, perfectly responsive companions could be "irresistible" even to those who don't think they're susceptible.
• A listener text sums up the dystopian potential:

  "The lure of someone... specifically molded to your desires. Lack of conflict. The availability at any moment, the crafting of the ideal look and voice... zero responsibilities to anything beyond your own selfishness. Sounds pretty perfect to a lot of people." — Text from Listener, read by Co-host 2 (22:36)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "I've only been saying that for five years." — Co-host 1 (06:09)
• "What I had not realized... is that extremely short exposures to a relatively simple computer program could induce powerful delusional thinking in quite normal people." — Quoting Eliza’s inventor, via Co-host 2 (07:35)
• "Even when that wasn't the goal [romantic/sexual use], creeps still fell in love with it." — Co-host 1 (08:36)
• "We can't handle this. We clearly, as a species, can't handle it." — Co-host 1 (12:45)
• "A quarter of the people that called in would end up calling back wanting to try to sex up the chatbot." — Co-host 2 (13:16)
• "If you can take care of sex, ambition... and get that all, like, falsely filled by computers, people are not going to do the things they need to do to nourish themselves." — Co-host 1 (18:15)
• "Maybe even to normal people who think they wouldn't be into it now, until the first time... you try something like that, you think, wow, that was pretty good and really easy and always available." — Co-host 2 (22:03)

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Timestamps – Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|---------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:00 | Elon Musk's "Things are getting weird" as an era-defining clip| | 03:29 | Introduction of Kuki, the AI chatbot, and "Her" parallels | | 05:51 | The quiet atrophy of human connection as AI's real threat | | 06:40 | Early AI like Eliza, projection of emotions onto machines | | 08:45 | 1 billion+ AI chatbot messages — a quarter are sexual advances| | 10:09 | Tech industry's race to monetize AI intimacy | | 12:42 | Attempts to moderate AI intimacy, "I love you" millions of times| | 13:33 | Society-wide susceptibility to AI intimacy | | 17:49 | AI as a replacement for relationships, status, and ambition | | 19:33 | Potential for future social stigma vs. AI-girlfriend addiction| | 22:36 | Dystopian lure of AI: "no risk, never gonna get rejected" | | 23:35 | End with bleak joke: "Well, I guess that's it for humanity." |

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Tone and Style

• The tone shifts organically between deadpan wit, genuine concern, and sometimes dark humor, staying true to Armstrong & Getty’s typical skeptical, conversational commentary.
• The hosts intertwine cultural references, historical anecdotes, and philosophical queries, making the heavy topic approachable without underplaying the seriousness.

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Conclusion

This episode offers a thought-provoking, sometimes darkly comedic look at the intersection of AI and human intimacy. Armstrong & Getty explore how quickly technology is eroding boundaries between humans and machines, highlighting what may be one of the most pressing social issues of the decade: the quiet, insidious "atrophy" of our ability to truly connect with each other. Whether the answer will come from cultural shifts, new social norms, or anti-tech movements remains to be seen, but if nothing else, the hosts underscore that “things are getting weird, and they’re getting weird fast.”

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Transcript

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One more thing.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

That was our clip of the year two years ago, three years ago when Elon said things are getting weird and they're getting weird fast. I was at the very dawn of AI and it could end up being the clip of the decade, if not the century because everything just keeps getting stranger and stranger things are getting weird.

[Podcast Host]

And they're getting weird fast.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

And he was talking about the woke mind virus and the gender bending madness and all of it all at once. And. And as you are hinting the AI thing could, you know, knock everything else off the charts.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

This is from an essay in the New York Times over the weekend. Who's a chief executive of some AI company. The sad and dangerous reality behind her her is in quotes. And they're referring to the Remember the movie it came out quite a few years ago by AI standards about a guy who fell in love with his female robot.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

More on that.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

More on that in just a second.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

This is a company that uses an AI chat bot to answer their phones. They called it Kooky K U K I. They gave her a name, has a female voice when it answers the phone and responds in emails and stuff like it. Cookie is accustomed to gifts from her biggest fans. They send flowers, chocolates and handwritten cards to the office, especially around the holidays. Some even send checks. Checks. Last month one man sent her a gift through an online chat. Now talk some hot talks. He demanded begging for sex and racy videos. That's all human males tend to talk to me about. Kooky replied. Indeed, his behavior typifies. About a third of her conversations are people hitting on the chatbot.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

We're all making the and if you hit on her successful her, what would that be exactly? Where are you gonna put it?

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

The movie her premiered in 2013. It fell firmly in the camp of science fiction. Maybe you remember this movie. The movie was set in the year 2025. I had forgotten that. Which we are now in. And it was the idea of somebody fall in love with their chatbot robot and Elon Musk. We talked about this. Recently unveiled Annie, a digital anime girlfriend Meta. The Zuckerberg company has permitted its AI Personas to engage in sexualized conversations. And now OpenAI says it is going to roll out age gated erotica in December. So the Race to build and monetize the AI girlfriend. Increasingly boyfriend is officially on among the biggest investors of all, in all of AI. Yeah.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

Greatest minds in the world right now trying to get us addicted to all this stuff.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

This pertinent person. Right. In the essay who works for one of the AI companies said, my colleagues and I now believe that the real existential threat of generative AI is not rogue superintelligence, but a quiet atrophy of our ability to forge genuine human connection.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

I've only been saying that for five years.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

Hello. Well, I hadn't considered it the biggest threat. I just saw it as a side threat to the eliminating white collar jobs or, you know, the AI armies from China and all that sort of stuff. But it's possible that it's true that the biggest threat is the quiet atrophy of our ability to form genuine human connections. Because you would end up with no people. Very quick. Yes.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

If we die out as a species, the number of white collar jobs is going to be, well, irrelevant.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

Come on. Yeah, no kidding. The desire to connect is so profound that it will find a vessel even in the most rudimentary machines. This is why I really wanted to bring this essay, because I was unaware of this. Back in the 1960s, a smart guy invented something called Eliza, a chatbot whose sole rhetorical trick was to repeat back what the user said with a question. That's all it could do.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

Like a 60 Minutes interview.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

The interview.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

Then I turned my husband in. You turned your husband in? Yeah, turn my husband in.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

So in this case, I guess it'd be I'm really lonely. You're really lonely? Kind of wanting some companionship. You're wanting companionship? Wow. That's not very difficult.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

Leslie Stahl machine.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

But anyway, this guy who invented this thing in the 60s was horrified to discover that his MIT students and staff would confide in it at length. What I had not realized, he later reflected, is that extremely short exposures to a relatively simple computer program could induce powerful delusional thinking in quite normal people.

[Co-host or Commentator 3]

Wow.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

Oof.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

So kooky. The chat bot we were talking about earlier. And then they're at for this Alice, which is a different chat bot with similar results, were never intended to serve as AI girlfriends. I mean, so I guess that's his point is you've got Elon and Altman and Zuckerberg and everything, but they're trying to build an AI girlfriend. That's what they're trying to do. From the outset, these other examples, that was not the goal at all. They just wanted somebody to answer the phone and either send you to sales or service. You know, that sort of stuff. And creeps fell in love with it. And creeps still fell in love with it. Oh boy. Even when that wasn't the goal.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

And now you've got super geniuses with technology so sophisticated it makes the old stuff look pathetic. Trying to do it on purpose as, as you hinted at.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

So let me finish this paragraph, which is amazing. So Kooky and Alice were never intended to serve as AI girlfriends. They banned pornographic usage from day one. Yet at least a quarter of the more than 1 billion messages sent to the chat bots hosted on their platform over the last 20 years are attempts to initiate romantic or sexual images or exchanges. A quarter of the exchanges when there was no like wink or wearing sexy clothing or anything to send you down that road, a quarter of the exchanges were to try to initiate romance or sex.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

And now we've got hyper realistic anime schoolgirl porn star avatars. Oh good. Not to mention.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

How soon?

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

Probably the end of the week. You know, you design this, this avatar, right? Give it all the attributes you as presumably a dude, are, you know, lustful for in a woman and please, two to four weeks later or shorter, they will send you your animatronic love doll that looks precisely like that and the voice comes out of her. It. Sorry, it instead of, you know, the computer.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

Again, back to the chat bots that were just trying to send you to the right, you know, do you need pharmacy or sports, you know, that sort of thing.

[Co-host or Commentator 3]

I need you, baby.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

Not only did people crave God, seriously, sales or service.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

I'm married. Not only did that's what you gotta do, you gotta put a wedding ring on all these chat bots.

[Co-host or Commentator 3]

So let me ask my husband, right?

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

Not only did all right service, not only did people crave AI intimacy, but the most engaged chatters were using Kooky to enact their every fantasy. At first this was fodder for rye musings at the office. Imagine if they knew the wizard behind the curtain who programs Cookie's sassy replies is a polite middle aged Brit named Steve. Or if only we had a dollar for every request for feet pics. Oh my.

[Co-host or Commentator 3]

See now. But back to the person behind it programming it. We've graduated into people don't care because people know this is a computer and they know that it's not real and they know that it's coming from Elon Musk or whoever.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

But you will participants in the delusion.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

Well, as it says here, soon, however, where you were seeing users return daily to reenact variations of multi hour rape and murder scenarios.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

Oh, nice.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

So you know, it's a computer. You still call back the next day to continue your conversation, whether it's requesting feet packs or feet pics or wanting to reenact some sort of rape scene.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

Wow. So messed up. It's funny. I actually can picture that more readily for like a homicidal maniac Jeff and a Ted Bundy type or a BTK wanting to play out that sort of control and fear and dominance and violence. Somebody who just wants to get with a cute girl.

[Co-host or Commentator 3]

It's.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

That seems like a weirder leap to me.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

So at this particular company where they were dealing with this, a quarter of the people that called in would end up calling back wanting to, you know, try to sex up the chatbot. We grappled with the impossible task of moderating user behavior while maintaining user privacy at scale. We built guardrails, whack a mole style to deny mankind's endlessly novel ways to ask for nudes. Kissing me could result in electric shock. What can I help you with? Kooky often jokes when somebody says something like that. As a computer, I have no feelings. Still, Coogee's been told I love you tens of millions of times.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

Oh my God.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

I know.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

We can't handle this. We clearly, as a species can't handle it.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

The most persistent fans remained those intent on romance and sex. And ultimately none of our efforts to prevent abuse from timeouts to age gates could deter our most motivated users, many of whom, alarmingly, were young teenagers.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

I am literally a plastic box sitting on a desk. Oh, yeah, tell me more. All right, it's. I give up.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

Come and get me.

[Co-host or Commentator 3]

Oh, this is.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

Come and show me what you got, big boy. All right. Oh my.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

If I let you, just once, will you stop calling?

[Co-host or Commentator 3]

Okay, what do we even do?

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

I don't know. But so like I said last week, one of the things about this job that has been amazing to me from the beginning is there are way more crazier people than you ever thought. So by getting emails and texts and back in the day phone calls, you realize, wow, there's a lot more crazy people out there that somehow managed to make a living or figure out what government program to live off or whatever. I think that, that there are way more people clearly susceptible to romance or sexual fantasies with a non existent computer chat bot than you would ever guessed. And even if it's only, I don't know, 10 of the population that's going to be a problem. Yeah, sounds like it might be more than that. Yes. Well, again, this is with the chat bots that weren't designed to turn you on. Now you got all these companies figuring out, oh, this is a gold mine. This is a gold mine. If we can figure out a way for it to flatter you and be sexy and go through all your sexual fantasies and say the things back to you that you want to hear, we're gonna print money. And it's probably true. Shh.

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We need another shovel full of dirt on the grave of mankind, but here's one anyway, as Michael pointed out, bringing us those statistics that Bill Maher was discussing on his show, you have an overwhelming percentage of young men who have not made any effort to get a relationship or ask a girl out or whatever. And then you've got your other human desires that were designed to want to fulfill. The desire for status, for achievement, to feed ourselves, meaning to accumulate wealth, to become a success, to be respected. And guys are getting that through video games or online communities with no actual human interaction. So if you can take care of sex ambition, you know, I don't want to call it greed. Need to accumulate a certain amount of wealth and get that all like falsely filled by computers. People are just. People are not going to do the things they need to do to nourish themselves. I don't see how we get out of this. I honestly don't. I've thought about it a lot, although I have suggested and I'm 100% serious. There will be and it'll be taking shape soon. A major, major movement of people who are anti tech in their lives.

[Co-host or Commentator 3]

I wonder if these AI Sex bot things are going to have a significant effect on websites like Only Fans because it's personalized, right? And that's what people are all about. With Only Fans, you know, you can get that personalized message and all that.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

And spectacularly realistic videos.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

Yeah, they could make it so cheap because it's not real, right?

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

Right. There's nobody to pay. But the, you know, one or two engineers who run the computers could.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

Could culturally, it become like smoking and drunk driving, where it's just seen as not so. It's just so uncool. You wouldn't want your friends to find out that you do this. I mean, it's just not. It would kind of drive it underground or at least keep it tamped down.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

Maybe. Maybe the will isn't there, but the will for like, drunk driving wasn't there. People are amazed when I tell them this, and. And this is in no way like any sort of condoning anything or. Or, you know, rationalizing it. But I remember, and I've told this story on the air before, that child molesters were not viewed as monsters when I was a kid. They were viewed more as pests and weirdos who ought to be avoided. It was well known our mailman had a thing for little girls, for instance. And people would keep their daughters away from him because they knew he wanted to give them a good long look and maybe a grope if he could. But it wasn't viewed as. Because I don't think people were in touch with what it does to children to make them sexual victims. And so, yeah, a social consensus that one thing or another is actually really monstrous and not good. Yeah, that might come down the road at some point. I hate that you've given me hope because it's more relaxing to just give up on humanity. But I suppose it's possible.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

Yeah. I don't get things that I don't get. I can't imagine being into gambling at the level some people are, but a lot of people are, so I can't, you know, that same lack of imagination, I guess, fits with somebody who calls a business. There is an attractive sounding female voice there to answer the phones. Hi, you've just called Big Five Sporting Goods. What can I help you with? And you think, oh, you sound kind of cute. I'm gonna call back tomorrow and ask if I can put you in a dungeon.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

Although it's clearly an effing computer.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

Well, right, right. But they know that, and they say, I love you. And then they call back and they send. Well, they get endless flowers and candy and stuff getting sent to the office.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

Yeah, I mean, that is astounding. I'm not sure I want to dwell on that primitive thing, because what that is is evidence that the advanced, sophisticated thing is going to be irresistible.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

Right. Maybe even to normal people who think they wouldn't be into it now until the first Time you. This worries me. What if the first time you try something like that, you think, wow, that was pretty good and really easy and always available.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

You know what? A friend of mine sent me a text. I'm gonna read her text to end this because I thought it was pretty good. What she wrote.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

About his friend is a computer.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

This versus the real thing.

[Co-host or Commentator 3]

I wasn't gonna say anything.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

The lure of someone in quotes who is specifically molded to you and your desires. Lack of conflict. The availability at any moment, the crafting of the ideal look and voice. Not needing to stretch yourself and grow and evolve. Where consideration of someone else's needs that you need to learn to meet over time is a non issue zero responsibilities to anything beyond your own selfishness. Sounds pretty perfect to a lot of people.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

That is well written. Yeah.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

You don't have to give on anything. No risk, never gonna get rejected. They're not gonna all of a sudden decide, I've met someone else, man.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

Well, just. Yeah, I mean obviously that's bad, but you know I love you with all my heart, but my God, you annoy me sometimes.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

Just.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

That would never happen.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Co-host or Commentator 1]

Planet of the Beavers Back again. Well, I guess that's it for humanity.

[Co-host or Commentator 2]

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