This Is Who We Are Now!!!

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand: "This Is Who We Are Now!!!"

Date: June 22, 2026
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty

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Episode Overview

This episode of Armstrong & Getty centers on American patriotism ahead of the nation’s 250th birthday, generational attitudes towards the country, the influence of education, the technology of self-driving cars, and societal perspectives on fathers. With their trademark mix of sharp humor, skepticism, and cultural commentary, Jack and Joe explore why pride in America has waned, how cultural stereotypes of fatherhood manifest, and why some technologies spark disproportionate fears. Sprinkled throughout are their reactions to current headlines, discussions of social science, and spirited critiques of both progressive and conservative culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The State of American Patriotism

Timestamps: 03:39 – 15:38

• Declining Patriotism Statistics

  • Jack and Joe discuss how pride in America has plummeted, citing polling:
    • 2001: Nearly 90% extremely or very proud (pre-9/11)
    • 2017: 75%
    • 2026: 56% overall → 90% of Republicans, just under 30% of Democrats
    • "I would suggest 20s for Democrats." (Jack, 05:37)

• Influence of 'Presentism' and Education

  • They lament how historical figures are now painted primarily by their flaws, especially regarding racism, which colors young people’s attitudes.
    • "All they do is talk about what a racist he [Teddy Roosevelt] was... Let us explain to you why they were actually terrible and why America doing this was terrible." (Jack, 03:58)
  • Joe describes it as "the horrible egotism of presentism," and accuses education of teaching kids America is shameful (04:35; 05:44).

• Bill Maher’s Take on Patriotism

  • They play and react to Bill Maher analyzing the decline of patriotism and how it transcends administration—it's about foundational pride.
    • "You can't take back the flag in an hour if the rest of the time you treat patriotism as something vaguely embarrassing." (Jack, 07:00)
    • "I think it's interesting that he [Maher] is willing to say or notices the Democratic Party is not patriotic. It's almost hard to imagine not being in favor of the country you live in." (Jack, 09:41)
  • Joe adds, "In failed, miserable countries, it's pretty common [to lack patriotism]." (10:13)
  • They blame progressive control of education for “infecting” the country’s self-view, comparing it to a nation-wide sepsis (12:37; 13:34).

Notable Quote:

"If somebody put a gun to my head and made me bet in some weird compulsory casino, I would bet that we can't save the patient. I hope I'm wrong. I pray I'm wrong. I work, I get up in the morning trying to make myself wrong."
— Joe Getty (13:34)

• Cultural Shift & National Resilience
  • Jack posits that thriving national cultures have lifespans, and America may have turned from an energetic, positive country into a “spoiled, entitled, trust fund country.” (11:48)
  • Joe: “We allowed the far left to get hold of our education system... I could see a Marco Rubio or a Rahm Emanuel or somebody like that doing the right things... but it won't be like it was, I don't think, until we like get control of the education system again and get the infection out of our bloodstream." (14:29)

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2. Millennials, Gen Z, and Burnout

Timestamps: 15:19 – 15:49

• Joke about establishing “detention camps or prison islands for Gen Z” in response to reports of young people being “burnt out” at work at an early age (15:09).
• They riff on how if you’re “already burnt out at 23, life is gonna be long.” (15:19)
• Implication that cultural, educational, or societal factors may be contributing to both burnout and lower national pride.

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3. Technology & Autonomous Vehicles

Timestamps: 20:03 – 24:28

• Tesla Crash & Public Perception

  • Jack and Joe discuss a fatal Tesla accident where the driver claimed to be using autopilot, comparing public reaction to mistakes made by humans vs. technology.
    • "Every time a self driving car makes a mistake, it makes national news... Human beings make mistakes thousands of times across this country every single day, including fatal ones, that don't make any news." (Jack, 20:42)
    • Joe remarks on the irony of a new, overall safer technology getting outsized blame for rare accidents.

• Insurance and the Future of Driving Rights

  • They predict that eventually, humans may lose the right to drive as autonomous cars become safer and insurance companies refuse to cover human drivers:
    • "No insurance company will give you insurance... driving yourself could become the province of the very very rich and nobody else. Unless you're a lawbreaker." (Joe, 23:29)
  • Jack: "I think, I don't know how many decades this will take, but it'll be really frowned upon. The idea of a human being piloting a two ton vehicle down the street. That's crazy." (24:18)

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4. Satire in Sports & Social Issues

Timestamps: 28:25 – 29:50

• They critique Major League Baseball’s supposed overemphasis on cultural issues (as mocked by The Babylon Bee), joking about the fictitious rebranding to “MLBTQ+.”
  • "This is who we are now. Nothing is more critical to the mission of Major League Baseball than gay stuff. This rebranding reflects the core purpose of our league, which is to talk about who is having sex with whom." (Satirical quote, 29:14)
• Joe: “At publishing time, Manfred announced further plans for league to promote tolerance by banning all Christians from playing... that’s pretty good.” (29:49)

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5. Stereotypes & Reality of Fatherhood

Timestamps: 30:38 – 42:29

• Criticism of Media and Academic Portrayals

  • They review Alex Berenson’s essay arguing that pop culture paints dads as hapless fools, especially compared to practical, competent mothers.
    • “For decades, if not generations, the media has stereotyped fathers as goofy, hapless fools who depend on their superhero wives to pay the bills and take care of their kids.” (Joe, 31:42)
    • “I don’t even think I’ve met that dad.” (Jack, 34:29)
  • Both agree the stereotype doesn’t match families they know, in which fathers are involved and responsibilities are fairly shared.

• Consequences of Negative Stereotypes

  • “These lies... discourage men from being fathers, and they discourage fathers from being the kind of fathers they want to, can and should be. I believe that completely.” (Joe, 36:26)
  • They argue that consistent, responsible behavior—like “getting up and going to work every day”—is a key form of heroism and fortitude learned by example (Jack, 37:40; Joe, 38:39).

• Gentle Parenting, Authority & Boundaries

  • Critique of "gentle parenting" and academic advice suggesting parents avoid punishment or direct orders.
    • "Has this worked for anybody?" (Jack, 40:35)
    • Joe: "You'll behave as I wish cause I'm your father. Period." (41:19)
    • Jack: “Before you become a parent, you can’t imagine yourself saying, ‘Because I said so’. But once you’re a parent, that is a very good reason for you to do something." (41:51)

Memorable Quotes:

"Structure is comforting, particularly for children who are just beginning to understand the world and its complexity. Too much choice can produce paralysis and anxiety."
— Joe Getty (46:28)

"Dogs and kids both are happier when they've got strict rules."
— Jack Armstrong (46:53)

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6. Modern Life, Anxiety, and Choice Paralysis

Timestamps: 47:00 – 48:00

• They discuss how modern society’s unprecedented freedom and abundance of choices can be overwhelming and lead to anxiety.
  • Joe: "For the first time in human history... you can be anything, marry anybody, buy anything... Human beings have never been confronted with so many choices about everything that was just kind of decided for you." (47:15)
• Jack: “Too many choices is making us insane.” (48:00)

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7. Closing Thoughts & Humorous Wrap-Up

Timestamps: 48:12 – 49:42

• Final thoughts on AI replacing Cliff Notes, ease of cheating on homework, and how technology changes basic daily habits for younger generations.
• “Anything you ever read... You could easily, in 10 minutes, get everything you need to know.” (Jack, 48:41)
• Ends with humorous banter, including Jack claiming the worst flavor in his mouth was “excrement”—but makes it clear it was cow excrement. (49:33)

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Notable Quotes (with timestamps)

• "All they do is talk about what a racist he [Teddy Roosevelt] was... Let us explain to you why they were actually terrible."
  — Jack Armstrong (03:58)

• "This is so self serving and it's, you know, Orwellian, trying to pervert your history so you don't know who you are as a people anymore."
  — Joe Getty (04:35)

• "It's almost hard to imagine not being in favor of the country you live in..."
  — Jack Armstrong (09:41)

• "We allowed the far left to get hold of our education system... we can't save the patient. I hope I'm wrong. I pray I'm wrong."
  — Joe Getty (13:34)

• "Every time a self driving car makes a mistake, it makes national news... Human beings make mistakes thousands of times across this country every single day, including fatal ones, that don't make any news."
  — Jack Armstrong (20:42)

• "You'll behave as I wish cause I'm your father. Period."
  — Joe Getty (41:19)

• "Structure is comforting, particularly for children... Too much choice can produce paralysis and anxiety."
  — Joe Getty (46:28)

• "Dogs and kids both are happier when they've got strict rules."
  — Jack Armstrong (46:53)

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Segment Timestamps

• Patriotism & Presentism: 03:39 – 15:38
• Gen Z Burnout: 15:19 – 15:49
• Self-Driving Cars: 20:03 – 24:28
• Sports & Society Satire: 28:25 – 29:50
• Fatherhood, Stereotypes & Gentle Parenting: 30:38 – 42:29
• Choice & Modern Anxiety: 47:00 – 48:00
• Closing Humor: 49:33 – 49:42

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, wry, and sometimes cynical with frequent sarcasm and pointed cultural critique.
• Jack often adopts a tone of exasperated frustration; Joe provides both data and dry humor.
• The show pivots seamlessly from serious reflection to satire.

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Takeaway

This episode offers a bracing look at how American pride, authority figures, and norms have changed under the pressures of shifting culture, education, and technology. Jack and Joe probe the roots of cynicism in younger generations, the portrayal of dads in pop culture, and the challenges of parenting against a backdrop of too many choices and conflicting advice—blending sharp criticism with their signature humor and personal stories for both levity and depth.

Transcript

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[Joe Getty]

broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Get Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

And finally new everybody has to start getting a little more excited for America's birthday. Come on, our big 250 is coming up. It's on July 4th for the kids in our public school. And I think that's a pretty big deal.

[Joe Getty]

That joke.

[Jack Armstrong]

I get it and I get why people laugh. But it angers me since I got two kids in school, it angers me and just reminded me this is not a school thing. But my son was watching, I think it was Netflix. I got a bunch of biography documentaries on about various big names throughout our history. And Henry started watching the Teddy Roosevelt one and he came and he said I had to turn it off. He said all they do is talk about what a racist he was. Just, you know, the way everything is now, everybody from the past in America, let us explain to you why they were actually terrible and why America doing this was terrible.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. Which is a deliberate tactic. But it's also that horrible egotism of presentism where you pick out an Abraham Lincoln and explain how you're so much better than Lincoln was because you have modern attitudes. It's just so self serving and it's, you know, Orwellian trying to pervert your history so you don't know who you are as a people anymore. So Bill Maher was talking about patriotism and the 200. Well, specifically the 250th birthday of the country. And we're gonna play you some of that. I was struck, and we talked about this last week, that back in 2001, pre 9 11, by the way, nearly 90% of Americans were extremely or very proud of their country. Just under 90% of the and in 2017, it was 75%. And now overall, it is 56%. And it's 90% of Republicans and just under 30% of Democrats.

[Jack Armstrong]

I would suggest 20s for Democrats.

[Joe Getty]

29. Yep. Of all ages. Yeah. Correct.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

And Democrats are a much younger cohort in general than Republicans. But, yeah. And. And I would argue. And I'll keep this brief, and then we'll get back to Bill Maher. As I often say, kids learn what they're taught, and they've been taught by their entire. By the school system, their entire lives for the reasons we've talked about, that they should be ashamed of being Americans, they should be ashamed of their privilege, and that it's a bad country, it's the most racist country on earth. They actually were saying that during the woke apocalypse.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, and if you don't feel that way among your young, hip crowd, you're kind of an idio. You kind of. Yeah. You're really, really a poltroon.

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[Joe Getty]

So I was glad to hear Bill Maher talking about this the other night.

[Jack Armstrong]

Every election year, Democrats seem to remember patriotism for about an hour at their convention when they're trying to win back swing voters. The whole message of Kamala's speech in 2024 was take back the flag. That's why she talked about America like a pageant contestant.

[Podcast Narrator (My Favorite Murder segment)]

The greatest privilege on earth. The privilege and pride of being an American.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hard to believe she lost, huh? Well, you can't take back the flag in an hour if the rest of the time you treat patriotism as something vaguely embarrassing.

[Joe Getty]

Vaguely embarrassing. I would say specifically, contemptibly embarrassing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. If some. If you're. I can picture certain picturing certain specific people, but if they're, like, standing around having a drink or whatever and somebody said something up with America. Ish, it would be vaguely embarrassing. Everybody kind of uncomfortable that that person. Uncomfortable for them that they said this sort of thing out loud, right?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah. Indeed. Yeah. He goes on.

[Jack Armstrong]

I remember from 1976. Oh, yes, I remember. I was 20 and I wore a bicentennial T shirt that whole summer. Inflation was around 6%. Mortgage rates were almost 9. There was actually a thing called the Misery Index. The average person earned far less than they do today. They had a smaller house and watched a tiny TV that had three channels, mostly I Love Lucy reruns. The closest thing we had to euphoria was Three's Company. Our AI was Cliff Notes. Women had just won the right to get a credit card without their husband signing off on it. And there were no women on the supreme court and only 19 in Congress. You think filling up your tank is a headache now? Back then, being online meant you were waiting for gas.

We ran all those stats a week or so ago. Somebody pointing out how much worse the situation was for the average American in 1976 than it is now. Yet we were more fond of our country, right?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, almost universally.

[Jack Armstrong]

Final clip LA had smog days, buildings had asbestos, radio had disco Duck. Things were bad, man, so bad I was forced to sell everyone drugs just to cheer them up. And yet. And yet it didn't stop us from making 1976 one big. Did he freak off for America? Because ask Joe Biden, you only turn 200 once. So come on, it's the 4th. Don't let this year's 4th become another excuse for partisan sulking. Let it be an excuse to be really hungover on the fifth.

I think it's interesting that he is willing to say or notices that the Democratic Party is not patriotic. It's. It's almost hard to imagine not being in favor of the country you live in. I can't quite wrap my head around that. He can be very unhappy with a current administration or various policies. But you really, you're not patriotic. How often has that ever happened anywhere on earth in the history of the planet where people aren't patriotic about the country they live in?

[Joe Getty]

In failed, miserable countries, it's pretty common there. Even then there's a certain national crime.

[Jack Armstrong]

So you just said something there. So in failed, miserable countries, it's common to not be patriotic. How about in successful. Will continue to be successful countries? Does that happen?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah. Well, it's happening now in ours because those who want to overthrow the system have gotten hold of education, so they've convinced a couple of generations of kids this is a failed and miserable country. In spite of all the evidence. It's really, it's rough. Rich Lowry was writing about this and he says even if you have contempt for the party in power, and this, you know, the whole let's not make this about Trump, for God's sake, is true on both sides of the aisle. We'll get to that later. But even if you have contempt for the party in power, there's the country's founding, its constitutional system, its stupendous wealth, its great heroes, its victories in two world wars, its natural beauty, its endlessly interesting, fair minded and inventive people to feel proud of. Many Democrats are unmoved by these things or consider them sources of embarrassment. The founding tainted by racism, the constitutional system, an antiquated obstacle to progress. The economy rigged by and for billionaires. The our heroes, feet of clay or worse. And the key word here is systemic, as in systemic racism, which suggests that racism is not a product of historical circumstance but endemic to the American project itself, probably irredeemable.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that's all internal, domestic stuff. How about the view you're taught about our role in the world? We make the world worse and cause wars and make it more violent, not make it less. Yeah, I'm very cynical about this. Like, incredibly cynical about this. I don't think it'll turn around. I think that growing positive, aggressive, happy cultures have a lifespan to them. And for some of. For whatever reason, they just. They have a lifespan to them and we've turned into spoiled, entitled, trust fund country that is gonna complain about our amazing lot in life until we've destroyed it.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I think that is part of it. It's the whole cycle of strong, tough times and strong people, et cetera, that we all know. The other half of it is, though, as I said, we allowed the far left to get hold of our education system. And you think the battle is probably lost. Maybe. I just can't admit it. I'm reminded of certain tragic circumstances where an infection got out of control and the patient turned septic and died. Sometimes at a healthy young age. I've got to admit, if somebody put a gun to my head and made me bet in some weird compulsory casino, I would bet that we can't save the patient. I hope I'm wrong. I pray I'm wrong. I work, I get up in the morning trying to make myself wrong. That the infection of our education system thereby, thereby the hearts and minds of our children. It's too late to solve. I hope I'm wrong.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, we used to think a cataclysm could turn it around. The pandemic was a cataclysm and it made it worse.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. But this is. Yes, because it's fundamentally different than it ever was before. That supports my theory. Before, we were a family that bickered like crazy. We were a couple of brothers that fought a lot. But if, by God, somebody threatened our sister or threatened our family, we would band together and be absolutely inseparable. That was the United States for a couple of centuries. But now, because kids have been taught to hate their country, if a threat comes, they divide into their camps. They're no longer part of the family. They're ashamed of the family. That's the difference.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think 9, 11 happened. George Bush went to 90 some percent approval rating. Would that happen with any president of either party at this point? I don't think so.

[Joe Getty]

Not a chance. Unless they transcended party. And this too shall pass the incredibly divided Trumpian era. But what happens next? I don't know because of the factor of the kids like I've been talking about. I could see a Marco Rubio or a Rahm Emanuel or somebody like that doing the right things in the right way and rallying the country and it being a lot better than it's been lately. But it won't be like it was, I don't think, until we like get control of the education system again and get the infection out of our bloodstream.

[Jack Armstrong]

So you got some posts?

[Joe Getty]

Oh yes, I am calling for detention camps. Very cush, very humane. Perhaps prison islands for Gen Z. Oh,

[Jack Armstrong]

I got a thing about how the young crowd is so tired of they're burnt out at work. If you're already burnt out and you're 23, it's gonna life is gonna be long.

[Joe Getty]

That is so funny. I can't even summon up a laugh. It's like so funny. It's horrifying.

[Jack Armstrong]

I got the stats on that. I think I might have a reason why they might be right or where they might actually be feeling that. I think so. Anyway, lots of stuff on the way. Stay here.

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Hetty she starts dating Howard Hughes, the aviation tycoon. Do you know a lot about him?

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I mean, I watch the Aviator so I know everything Leonardo DiCaprio has allowed me to know about him. But incredible innovator, right?

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for answers after a Tesla crashed killing 76 year old grandmother Martha Avila. Her daughter Jennifer Barber was in the backyard when authorities say A Tesla Model 3 was speeding before veering off the road slamming into the family's home in Katy, Texas where Avila was inside. The 44 year old driver, Michael Butler allegedly told deputies he was using his car's automated driving system. Now investigators are working to determine if that technology played a role.

[Jack Armstrong]

Was having this conversation with someone over the weekend gonna be interesting to watch

[Joe Getty]

the rollout of this?

[Jack Armstrong]

Every time a self driving car makes a mistake, it makes national news, people. Human beings make mistakes thousands of times across this country every single day, including fatal ones.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

That don't make any news.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I was thinking about that as I listened to it. The, you know, you spend your life trying to figure out humanity and by the time you do you die. But yeah, here's a new technology that's unquestionably great but wait, it caused a problem and everybody's like really? What, what happened with this new technology?

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. And I am, I'm really concerned. I think this will happen. We're going to have the right to drive taken away from us. I do think this will happen at some point and the argument will be these things are safer. They won't even need to mandate it. No insurance company will give you insurance. I'm not gonna let you pilot this with your hands and wreck the be much more likely to wreck the car and me have to pay for it as an insurance company. When in you know, self driving car my, my risk goes way, way down. So that's what will happen over time. But for right now anyway,

[Joe Getty]

we react

[Jack Armstrong]

to the rare somebody getting hurt by, by, by a computer much more than we react to human beings. And there is some psychological weirdness there. If my kid got run over by a self driving car, it would somehow be like worse than if a person made a mistake and I'm not sure why or seem More unfair, not worse. Where you know, I don't know how it could be worse but more unfair somehow or more preventable somehow or something.

[Joe Getty]

I don't even know what I'm trying here. The person making human error is part of the world we live in and always has been. You just accept it as being human. But a company introducing a technology that goes sideways and kills somebody. Let's rectifiable.

[Jack Armstrong]

Maybe that's it. I've grandfathered in the the chance that a idiot 25 year old driving way too fast in our neighborhood might run over a kid.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

But a self driving car, Nobody was ever predicting robots killing someone or as

[Joe Getty]

you pointed out many times a middle aged soccer mom in a minivan driving way too fast all the time.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know but I, I, I don't know where this is going. I don't know if states will allow the self driving cars like fully autonomous vehicles for those of us don't. I don't know when that will happen. Insurance companies still allowing you to drive then when they turn out to be safer. This, this is all going to happen fairly soon.

[Joe Getty]

I think I could see you could self insure for collision and damage to the other vehicle. I mean if you have enough money you can. But, but liability insurance, if without the, you know, you know how insurance works. You have a huge pool of people and you dilute risk. In essence you spread it out so you pay a fraction of it because only small percentage of people ever need to make a claim. But if they do what you've suggested, they'll do. And I think you're right. Yeah. You will have to like have your own ability to pay off any liability claim which could run into the millions of dollars. So driving by driving yourself could become the province of the very very rich and nobody else. Unless you're a lawbreaker. I can see that easily.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think it, I think, I don't know how many decades this will take but it'll be really frowned upon. The idea of a human being piloting a two ton vehicle down the street. That's crazy.

[Joe Getty]

Thoughts on fatherhood coming up. Stay with us Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

I keep forgetting to look up When's the next time United States plays soccer? We kick the ass of Australia on Friday and I've looked this up like three times and I can't remember it because I don't care.

[Joe Getty]

Damn it. You care enough to look but not enough to remember.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Anyway, I'll figure that out while you're

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talking by speaking of sports. I love this. Then we'll get into the substance of the segment. But the Babylon Bee, which rarely disappoints MLB Rebrands to MLBTQ plus in an effort to better reflect the league's values, Major League Baseball announced that it had officially rebranded from MLB to MLB TQ plus. On the heels of a controversy over players writing Bible verses on their league mandated pride uniforms, Commissioner Rob Manfred felt it was time to make the league stance on gender and sexuality crystal clear. Quote this is who we are now. Nothing is more critical to the mission of Major League Baseball than gay stuff. This rebranding reflects the core purpose of our league, which is to talk about who is having sex with whom. We're not here to just throw a ball around or collect hits, saves and wins. This isn't about some game. This is about sexual deviancy. Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

This isn't about some game. This is about sexual deviancy.

[Joe Getty]

According to league sources, several players pushed back against the change, asking if they could instead just play baseball. Quote I'd like to just throw the ball, said one pitcher on condition of anonymity. You know, like baseball, try to throw strikes and get people out and all that. I'm just not quite making the connection between this game and gay stuff. At publishing time, Manfred announced further plans for league to promote tolerance by banning all Christians from playing that's pretty good.

[Jack Armstrong]

Soccer, the world's most popular sport. Or so I'm told.

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So it is.

[Jack Armstrong]

Australia, two nothing. We're in first place in the group D standings by a lot. And we take on two. You got to play everybody in your group. So we beat Paraguay, we beat Australia. The only other team left in our group is Turkey. And we play them on Thursday. They have zero points so far because they have accomplished nothing in their first two games.

[Joe Getty]

Boy, we are gonna smoke turkey, huh? How about, let's see.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or we're gonna.

[Joe Getty]

What if. Deep fry. We're gonna deep fry. No, that's not a thing in sports.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ring their necks.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. There you go. Winner. Love it. And I'm sorry, when do we play turkey? Have you forgotten already? Because I have. Within five minutes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Because I don't care.

[Joe Getty]

Turkey Thursday. Turkey Thursday. That's right. Yeah, exactly. That's how I'll remember. Thank you. So I thought this was wonderful. None of this is anything we haven't talked about, but Alex Berenson wrote a piece for the Free Press that fathers are not mothers. And he writes about, and we have decried this for the longest time, the stereotyping of fathers in the last 50 years or so. Maybe he says it starts practically at birth. He remembers reading the Berenstain Bears for his kids. And in every book, hard working, practical Mama ran the house, she cooked, cleaned, took care of the cubs, Pot bellied, entitled dopey, Papa got in the way. He was surprised at how unsubtle the message was, and it shouldn't have been. The idea that fathers know Father knows best is long gone. And for decades, if not generations, the media has stereotyped fathers as goofy, hapless fools who depend on their superhero wives to pay the bills and take care of their kids.

[Jack Armstrong]

When did they write Berenstein Bears? Because I actually had this conversation over the weekend as we're trying to nail down when did the turn happen? Where all the sitcoms, TV shows portrayed dad as a just really more in the way than helpful. You did. The family tried to succeed despite dad being in the way all the time. Early 90s sometime, because you know you had Huxtable in the 80s with the Cosby Show. Somewhere in the 90s, the dad became a mostly a detriment to the family. Thank God mom can overcome his idiocy and sloth and everything to make the family work.

[Joe Getty]

The Berenstain Bears actually started in 1962 and stretched on for years and years after that. I think that's when it became when you're talking about, like, omnipresent. And I was thinking about this very thing, having read that paragraph back in the actual, really male dominated paternalistic culture of the earlier part of the century and everything idea of skewering, that was a way, you know, humor does this. It questions power and it suggests changes that might be good. And it was fine during the Father Knows Best era or whatever to, to poke a little fun at dads and their foibles. But then it passed some sort of weird tipping point where it became not a challenge to authority, but like punching down in the way that a lot of progressivism is that men are stupid and toxic and must be kept down and fathers must be mocked at all costs, because to let up on that beating would be to embrace the patriarchy. I guess it's like, you know, you still see all these programs for women in college and trying to get women to college and, and women in the law and stuff like that. And like, women dominate undergrad and grad school and law schools. And it's like, all right, when do you stop punching? Or, or when do you just admit it's something different? And I think that happened with dads. Anyway, he points out that meanwhile, feminist academics crank out research claiming fathers coast in married households where both parents work. They don't do any of the child caring or housework or blah, blah, blah. And he points out he knows lots of folks, middle, upper middle class, suburban, urban families. He knows, he said nobody conforms to that stereotype. He doesn't know anybody who does.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't.

[Joe Getty]

Much less everybody. Oh, no, not at all. Me neither. I don't even think I've met that dad. Nope. Yeah. Anyway, he says in all the families he knows, childcare is split mostly equally. Sometimes when the fathers are the primary wage earners, they get a break a little bit. Same split occurs in reverse, though, when the women of the house make more, et cetera, et cetera, you in your home. This may not be the case. This is not about everybody. This is true for everybody. It's just that the stereotype is far, far from accurate. And then he, he goes into some stereotypes. The, the blue collar dad, the emotionally distant blue collar dad who hardly notices his daughters and whose interest in his sons begins and ends with their ability to put a perfect spiral on a football. But other than that, blue collar dad ignores the job entirely. Meanwhile, the white collar daddy describes.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Where.

[Joe Getty]

Where is that? I can't remember. Where the hell is that? It doesn't matter. But the point is, in both Cases, dad is uninvolved, pretty much useless. And throughout academia, Hollywood and the media, the only good dad is a feminized, gentle. Oh, there it is. If the white collar dad father is a fool who tries but fails to share parenting, his blue collar counterpart ignores the job entirely. So at least white collar dad's enlightened enough to know he should try. But he's still an idiot and a buffoon. Throughout academia, Hollywood and the media, the only good dad is a feminized, gentle parent who never raises his voice, is always ready with a hug, and never lets his kids take a risk or get hurt. In other words. In other words, the only good dad is a mom. And here he gets to the point. These lies, and they are lies, have real consequences. They discourage men from being fathers, and they discourage fathers from being the kind of fathers they want to, can and should be. I believe that completely. Then he goes into, you know, some of the, some of the things to embrace as a dad that I also thought were terrific, you know, have. And he goes into a bunch of detail. Have fun, don't complain. Children complain. You're stoic, be tough, reject gentle parenting and its idiocies.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, the underappreciated part, I think is. Is probably the stuff that's difficult to identify because you don't understand the way you have. Just absorb it, being around you. And that would just be that seeing someone who doesn't complain much gets up, just, just the getting up and going to work every day, just that without ever mentioning it. But what that puts into your brain as a. Oh, this is what people do without even thinking about it. It's just like it's built in subconsciously. To your mind, this is what my life is going to be because this is what I've seen my whole life. There's, there's no value too high. You can put on that as a, As a. Just forming a worldview for a person.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. I would agree this is kind of a. A tangent, but I remember when I was a lad or a young man, I had a boy's. I don't know, do we get the harp for that? Yeah, I can see kind of a fuzzy coming into focus. Me as a young fellow with the harp.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

It will be allowed.

[Julian Edelman]

Glad.

[Jack Armstrong]

Are you slim?

[Joe Getty]

Well played. Oh, am I slimmer. Handsome as a devil. Anyway, what was I saying? Oh, that's right. I had a boy's view of heroism. And there are certainly heroes like this. They're rushing into a burning building to save somebody. You know, the hero in battle, which is absolutely a legitimate sort of hero. But I had not, not really comprehended the idea that often heroism is the day after day grind because there's no burst of adrenaline and clarity of purpose.

[Jack Armstrong]

No.

[Joe Getty]

It's just gutting it out.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And what's more heroic than that?

[Jack Armstrong]

I know I've talked about this before. Well, that's what Richard Nixon was talking about earlier in that clip we played with his dad. But I've talked about this before, the whole tough guy thing, where I have known some guys are really into being tough guys. It's funny, most of them that I'm thinking of were not dads in the traditional sense. I wonder what that's all about. But anyway, it was the tough guy was who could beat up who. No. And they were also people that weren't great at getting up and going to work every day for their whole lives. That is what requires toughness. The going to just the steady living life, denying yourself the things, the pleasures of life, you know, to provide for your family. That's way what requires way more toughness than an individual fist fight. But that is not what's portrayed by some doofuses I've known in my life who consider themselves tough.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, same is true of you moms too. 100% sure it's carrying the load and carrying it and carrying it and carrying it. That's heroic.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I, that always goes without saying. I just. Since yesterday was Father's Day.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. Indeed. In the mood for a blast at gentle parenting.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sure, always.

[Joe Getty]

Here's how Brown University of course, explains. Gentle parenting is all about the parent child relationship. Parents are meant to display empathy, respect and understanding by communicating and connecting with their children. Contrary to many other styles of parenting, punishments are not part of gentle parenting. They are seen as unnecessary, disruptive to the parent child bond and as training children to an external reward rather than to their own internal emotional and moral compass.

[Jack Armstrong]

Has this worked for anybody?

[Joe Getty]

No, never. Here's an example, a specific example again from Brown University. And boy, I take all my marching orders from Brown. They offer a potential speech to a gentle father that he might give to his son. Because you never hold anybody accountable for what they do. You just sympathize with them. So son hurls a toy at his sister.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've seen that sort of thing.

[Joe Getty]

You were mad, so you threw your toy at your sister. But throwing your toy could hurt your sister. Let's think of some other things we can do when we're feeling mad that wouldn't hurt anyone or Anything else? And he writes again.

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[Joe Getty]

Two huge mistakes. First, you imply being mad might justify throwing the toy. You're offering an excuse for an unacceptable action. More broadly, you're implying to your child that you need to justify your demands for him to behave as you wish. You do not. You'll behave as I wish cause I'm your father. Period. Then through time, whether your stewardship is wise and justified becomes clear. But no, you don't have to justify your orders every time you give one.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. That's why before you become a parrot, you can't imagine yourself saying, because I said so. But once you're a parent, that is a very good reason for you to do something. Because I said so. It's a very good reason.

[Joe Getty]

And of course, that doesn't mean you're acting arbitrarily. Means your children need to understand that you may discuss choices with them and consider what are reasonable objections they have. But once you've given them an order, you expect them to follow it. Your family has a chain of command. You are at the top. Period.

[Jack Armstrong]

Period.

[Joe Getty]

With kindness and patience and compassion. But you're at the top most of the time.

[Jack Armstrong]

Maybe 98% of the time. But I can't claim. Claim always.

[Joe Getty]

The game was just about over. Did you have to mention that?

[Jack Armstrong]

Now I'm sorry. We will finish strong Next Armstrong.

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Hedi. She starts dating Howard Hughes, the aviation tycoon. Do you know a lot about him?

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I mean, I watch the Aviator, so I know everything Leonardo DiCaprio has allowed me to know about him. But incredible innovator, right?

[Podcast Narrator (My Favorite Murder segment)]

She says he's a, quote, very strange man. But they do get along really well.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Give us examples.

[Podcast Narrator (My Favorite Murder segment)]

I know they do get along intellectually and in fact, she helps him design a faster plane. She takes a look at what he's designed. It's got these square wings and she's like, that doesn't make sense. And so she finds the fastest bird and the fastest fish and sketches out a drawing of like what the two would look like as a plane. And that becomes the plane that we know today. And he calls her a genius.

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Final follow up thought or two on what we were just talking about. Alex writes, what's so dumb about the gentle parenting model is that it presumes children don't want to be told what to do. Of course children want to be told what to do. Structure is comforting, particularly for children who are just beginning to understand the world and its complexity. Too much choice can produce paralysis and anxiety guidelines. I would put it like that. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Dogs and kids both are happier when they've got strict rules.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

The choice makes them uncomfortable and scared psychologically. It's just horrible to, like, feel. It makes kids feel, from what I've been told, because I didn't grow up this way. Just like, insecure. To not have boundaries and rules.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Yeah, yeah. No sense in what's normal. I'm reminded something really thought provoking I came across a few months ago about how for the first time, one of the reasons everybody has so much anxiety these days. And I wish I had time to look into it more, but is that for the first time in human history, you can. Can live anywhere you want. You can do anything you want for a living. You can be any generation or. I'm sorry, you can be any religion. You can have sex with anybody. You can buy anything. It goes on and on and on. Human beings have never been confronted with so many choices about everything that was just kind of decided for you. You can marry anybody you want, Dump them, marry somebody else of the opposite sex. It's just too much.

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We've got to talk about that more.

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Here's your host for Final Thoughts, Joe Getty.

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Let's get a final thought from everybody in the crew to wrap up the day. Here he is pressing the buttons in the control room. Michelangelo. Michael, what's your final thought? Yeah, Bill Maher, earlier in the hour, he mentioned Cliff notes back in 1990.

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And I hate to confess it, but there were probably times in my English class when I didn't exactly read the book and those Cliff Notes came in. Well, maybe handy, you know. That's shameful, Michael. I hope you're still ashamed today. Jack, a final thought.

[Jack Armstrong]

Boy, I never thought about that. I'll just use this for my final thought with. With AI Bots. Oh, my God. Anything you ever read. Give me a paragraph on what that book's about.

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About.

[Jack Armstrong]

Give me a little more about this character. That character. You could easily, in 10 minutes, get everything you need to know.

[Joe Getty]

Right. I tell you what, I changed my mind. Give me three paragraphs on it now. Five. Yeah. Oh, craziness. Too many choices is making us insane.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty wrapping up another grueling four hour workday.

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Let's make that clear.

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