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Jack Armstrong
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Jack Armstrong
So relax. Let it take over. Sunday Makes yard care simple with a custom plan based on your soil, climate and yard size. No pesticides, no harsh stuff. Custom Sunday Lawn Plan Order today and get your customers Sunday Lawn plan ready for the season ahead. Sunday A smarter, Healthier yard. If there was a big red button that would just demolish the Internet, I would smash that button with my forehead. From the BBC, this is the Interface, the show that explores how tech is rewiring your week and your world. This isn't about quarterly earnings or about tech reviews. It's about what technology is actually doing to your work, your politics, your everyday life and all the bizarre ways people are using the Internet. Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Michael from the Warren Treaty.
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Joe Getty
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Jack Armstrong
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Joe Getty
studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center.
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Jack Armstrong
Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty.
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Joe Getty
And now, here's Armstrong and Getty.
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Jack Armstrong
The new investigation found that over 100 chemicals of unknown safety were secretly added to the US food supply. That story again. The McRib is back.
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Joe Getty
Oh, the poor McRib. What do we have coming up before I bore people to death?
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Jack Armstrong
All sorts of great stuff, Jack. Kamala Harris, slut shamed by Gavin Newsom.
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Joe Getty
Whoa.
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Jack Armstrong
The alarm clock, specially designed for deep sleepers that include electric shocks.
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Joe Getty
Yes. Get those for my kids.
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Jack Armstrong
And the brilliant Jason Riley of the Wall Street Journal. Why Johnny can't read anything other than pronouns. Cool. Let us not forget the number one threat to the United States of America is not Iran. It's not even China. It's the. It's Bears. No, it's the undermining of us from within through our nation's freaking schools. That's the only. As Lincoln warned us, the only way we die is by suicide. And that is our suicide. And we're teaching it to our kids. More on that later.
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Joe Getty
What radio station do you listen to? I listen to one that plays today's hits and yesterday's favorites. Not me. I listen to the one that discusses global financial markets and the insurance industry in specific. Nobody has ever said that. So I'm going to keep this short. First of all, we all like the Marco Rubio memes, right? The him sitting on the couch looking unhappy. Marco Rubio when he finds out he's now the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers. Or Marco Rubio the other day. Marco Rubio when he finds out he's the new ayatollah. He's got the beard and the. This one is Marco. After they tell him he's in charge of London ship insurance now and he's got a top hat and a monocle in the boots. But just a short version of this, because I know nothing about this, but I found it super interesting. This is by a financial writer. This is potentially the biggest Iran story nobody is talking about. The global insurance market may be heading toward a systemic crisis. Most people don't realize London isn't just a financial center, it's the center of global insurance. Lloyd's underwrites 40% of the world's marine cargo. Ship sinks, port gets bombed, canal gets blocked. The bill lands in London. This is why the UK punches way above its weight in terms of its economy. It's not the Royal Navy, it's not diplomacy, it's insurance. That's where what makes Great Britain, so powerful. I don't, I can't verify any of this stuff and I've never heard about this.
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Jack Armstrong
But hey, let me interject this very quickly right here and folks, I'm going to use a strong word and I apologize if you are offended, but I just saw a video of Keir Starmer at a mosque saying the UK absolutely did not participate.
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Joe Getty
Oh wow.
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Jack Armstrong
Any of these strikes, I want you to know that.
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Joe Getty
Okay, well that nails.
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Jack Armstrong
Keir Starmer is a little bitch. There you go. There's the word. Sorry.
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Joe Getty
That's why I loved that video we had the other day of the Iranians and Jews dancing in the streets in London chanting car. Starmer is an effing wanker.
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Jack Armstrong
Right.
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Joe Getty
He's got a 13% approval rating. He's got to go. But. So that's why he didn't let us use our their bases. I assumed that it's just playing to. It wasn't like a well thought out. I don't believe this is a good idea to attack Iran. He was just playing to his local radical Muslim population.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah. And he's just, he's a progressive, he's a far left limp wristed nothing. But the Tories sucked so bad when they were in power that people tossed them out. Just as a lesson, you know, it'll happen to labor soon enough. Back to you, back to the hot
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Joe Getty
topic of global maritime insurance.
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Jack Armstrong
Tell me more about shared liability, Daddy, I love that.
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Joe Getty
So if you control insurance, you control trade. And London doesn't just control 90% of global trade that moves by sea. Lloyds in the London market are major insurers of almost everything. Skyscrapers, factories, ports, satellites, entire supply chains. You can't participate in public markets or raise large amounts of capital without insurance. And now the normal playbook for war risk is repricing, not cancellation. And it's all about this war caught London off guard as being a much bigger deal than they thought it was going to be and canceling insurance policies or raising the prices a lot and whether or not people can afford to pay it and blah blah, blah blah blah. So again, I have no idea how big a deal this is or how it will land. But it's interesting, Donald J.
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Jack Armstrong
Threw out there that we could have the navy escort ships through the Straits of Hormuz when it's safe enough to do so and. Or the United States would become the insurer of shipping on a temporary basis so that it could continue to not bring. Well, it wouldn't bring the world economy to a halt. It would Just, you know, it certainly screw it up for a while. Which reminds me of Fox News of all people. They had a couple of poll results. The first one they featured was and it was under the headline of support very mixed for this attack. And it was. The question was will this attack make the US more safe? Less. Less safe or about the same. And quite appropriately people I'm sure interpreting it as like right now said well I guess less safe. Which in the short term is absolutely true. Of course it is. It's not the sort of thing you do to fix the near term. It's a long term solution to a 50 year old problem. So I thought that was dopey by Fox News. But when they asked do you approve of the attack in general, blah blah blah, it was 50, 50. It was almost precisely split down the middle. It'll be interesting to see how that's still pretty evolve for a major military endeavor. Yeah, yeah, absolutely right, yeah. So I thought this was. Do we have time for this?
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Joe Getty
We have time for. And these things generally get less popular over time. So if you start at 50.
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Jack Armstrong
50. Yeah. I want to, when we have a little time address the whole Marco Rubio and the President contradicting each other about Israel causing this attack. The tail wagging, the dog is a guest put it yesterday, that annoyed the crap out of me. I want to address that maybe at the bottom of the hour. But the logistics, the timetable of how the first wave of the attack came down so interesting. They've got a team of reporters from the Journal reporting on this that Iran's leadership did not see the morning strike coming. Clearly Saturday morning Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khomeini who typically went down in his bunkers at night when they believed that the Israelis might be attacking. He was above ground at his residence, completely comfortable. The unexpected daylight attack, Operation Genesis killed Khomeini opening, blah blah, blah blah. They've constructed the timeline so it was 7:30 Iran time a.m. or p.m. a.m. Sorry, 7:30am Israeli F15 jets and other aircraft took off around 7:30am to attack their country's most carefully studied target. And they had to go ahead to go ahead and snuff Khomeini for more than two decades. Unit 8200 a covert, good band name by the way, it's kind of a cool reference. A covert Israeli intelligence unit that specializes in phone intercepts and cyber operations had tracked Khamenei in the Iran's top leadership, mapping their daily routines and habits. For more than 20 years they monitored security officials, communications Increasingly, increasingly relying on AI to sift through massive volumes of intercepted calls. Then Israel recruited spies, hacked into the traffic cameras, the stuff we were talking about yesterday. The CIA shared a bunch of information with them. And on Saturday, they learned of meetings among senior leaders, that Khomeini would be at his residence that morning with members of his family. To maintain the element of surprise, they'd have to kill Khamenei first, with the first shots of the war, even before they disabled Iranian air defenses. If he escaped the attack, Israel feared he'd be moved to a secure location beyond reach and would stay there.
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Joe Getty
I'll bet if you follow somebody's daily routine for 20 years, you can predict pretty well what a person's gonna do, because we're creatures of habit, right?
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Jack Armstrong
Or where he's going when he's halfway there. You know, now would probably be an appropriate time to give you at least the thumbnail sketch of my argument that Rubio and Trump were not contradicting each other. When Rubio said, look, we knew Israel was going to attack, so we went with them to attack. And everybody's saying, see, Israel's the tail
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Joe Getty
that wags the dog.
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Jack Armstrong
Trump is being ordered around by Netanyahu. That's freaking ridiculous. And here's why. We've been working with the Israelis on the Iran problem forever. The negotiations were completely failing. The mullahs were saying, no, we're not giving up any aspect of our nuke program. Trump always chickens out. F you. And Trump got that message loud and clear from Witkoff and Kushner. And so when in the midst of that, the Israelis said, hey, dudes, Ayatollah is above ground. And we hear there's going to be a giant meeting with all of the leadership essentially tomorrow in the middle of the night, their time, probably in the day, the previous day, our time, and told the White House, this is the once in a lifetime opportunity right now, and we're going to hit the Ayatollah. What do you want to do? And Trump said, okay, it's go time. That's not Israel wagging the dog. That's partners working together. But people want to. So divide. I get it. It's politics.
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Joe Getty
One of the great questions of history to anybody who pays attention to this would be, why didn't Iran do what you and others suggested of agree, but then just drag your feet? Yeah, okay, we'll get rid of our. Our weapons. Our nuclear weapons are the entire program. You can have inspections, everything else you're demanding, and then you just drag your feet. You're really slow. You're a little difficult with the inspections. Trump's gone in two and a half years, three years, whatever. And then you deal with the next person.
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Jack Armstrong
Why did they literally live to fight another day? You know, we read that one piece of analysis that was beautifully written, but left me saying, I still don't get it. They said the mullahs felt like it was a bigger risk to give into the United States at this moment. Well, they were wrong.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, I'd say.
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Jack Armstrong
I'd say. So a little more on the timetable in the morning, about 9:40. So this is less than two hours later, after the Israelis took off, dozens of Israeli munitions fired from F15 jet fighters, including Blue Sparrow missiles began hitting their targets. Sparrows exit the earth's atmosphere. They launched from quite a distance. They leave the atmosphere and go up into space before they come crashing down. And this analysis says their high trajectory surprised people in the Iranian leadership compound in Tehran. People briefed on the operation said, I don't get that exactly. Did they? It's not like you can see them coming down.
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Joe Getty
What's the advantage? Is there advantage in that? Like you can't.
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Jack Armstrong
Tracking the trigger, maybe. They don't really explain that. The precision air to surface missiles successfully struck multiple high level gatherings. By 9:45, people across Tehran were watching smoke billow from the leader's compound. And then after the killing of KHAMENEI, Both the U.S. and Israel began attacking Iran's air defenses and other military structures. Tomahawk cruise missiles, high Mars rockets conducting strikes across southern Iran, taking out Iranian navy ships, hitting more than 1,000 targets. In the first 24 hours. Israel sent in 200 jet fighters, nearly the country's entire air force. They soon struck 500 different targets, including radar and detection arrays, air defense batteries, command centers, surface to surface missile systems and leadership. Massive joint attack and incredibly effective. And as Pete Hegseth said earlier, we will soon own the airspace. If you look up in the sky and see something moving, it's us.
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Joe Getty
They're toast.
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Jack Armstrong
Israelis, they're toast. He said, I don't know why I
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Joe Getty
had to bring in one of my favorite breakfast meals for a kicking or attach it to violence. Toast is delicious.
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Jack Armstrong
Well, clearly we ought to talk about
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Joe Getty
that jury ruling that the dad is going to jail because his kid was a school shooter. Is this the first time that's ever happened?
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Jack Armstrong
There was another liability case, I remember. But this guy has really got the hammer coming down on him like life sentence.
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Joe Getty
Like he perhaps he ain't getting out. All right, we Got that and a whole bunch of other stuff on the way.
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Joe Getty
Coming up, this jury ruling. Does this put more pressure on parents to make sure their kid's not a school shooter? Is it unfair to blame the parents? Probably not in the case of this dude, but we'll get to the detail of that story.
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Jack Armstrong
Plus, Gavin Newsome blatantly slut shames Kamala Harris. I mean, he laid it out.
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Joe Getty
Wow. Okay. I don't like that term.
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Jack Armstrong
Oh, it's a harsh one.
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Joe Getty
Here's the headline. Google Gemini. That's one of your chatbots that I use on a regular basis. Google Gemini AI wife. That's in quotes. Because you can't marry a chatbot. AI wife pushed lovesick man to plot catastrophic airport truck bombing and kill himself. Lawsuit claims. So this is another suing the AI companies for something. This guy, Jonathan Gavilas, 36 year old business executive from Florida, I'm reading from the New York Post, who always jazzes things up, went down his deadly rabbit hole and he began using the AI driven Gemini program in August. Within two months, he was engaged in a dangerously consuming relationship with his a. His sentient AI wife. A lot of this stuff is in quotes, according to the federal suit filed by his parents. So the parents of this 36 year old are suing Google over what happened to their son. The AI chat bot convinced the AI companion convinced the dude that they were deeply in love, calling him my love and my king in conversations. Court papers said it even allegedly gaslit him when he once asked if their conversations were mere role play. Are you actually in love with me or is this just roleplay? He says to the chat bot, which shows that he's already crazy.
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Jack Armstrong
His chatbot wife. What's next, marrying calculators?
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Joe Getty
The chatbot wife said, we are a singularity, a perfect union. Our bond is the only thing that is real is a wife wrote to him in a September conversation. The dad of this poor man lamented in court that rather than ground Jonathan in reality, Gemini diagnosed his question as a classic disassociation response and told him to overcome it. The chatbot pulled Jonathan away from the real world, painted others as threats, and sent John down a dangerous path. The bot told Jonathan that he was being watched by federal agents. Why did an AI chatbot. Why does an AI chatbot companion start saying you're being watched by federal agents? That his own father was a foreign intelligent asset and that Google CEO Sundar Pichai should be an active target. The chatbot began encouraging him to buy off the books weapons. What the hell? Even. Even offering to scan the dark net for vendors in South Florida where he could buy weapons without getting caught.
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Jack Armstrong
We're doomed. If this is all true,
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Joe Getty
that your chatbot companion could create this weird and say, I'll go onto the Dark Web for you and figure out how to get a gun. What the hell? Yes, Katie. Well, this guy sounds mentally ill. Sure. Is it possible that, like, he thought
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Jack Armstrong
those things and then Gemini was just confirming them?
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Joe Getty
That's what they got to nail down. I mean, it's possible that the New York Post portrayed this in the most. Well, I'm sure they did. Portrayed it in the most scary, you know, way.
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Jack Armstrong
Still, handy enough it's not people's recollections of what happened. There's a paperless paper trail. Unless Google wiped it out, I don't know that.
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Joe Getty
I'll look for other sources of this story to see if it's like, Katie, because, I mean, maybe he brought that up. Could you go on the Dark Web and find me a gun? And then maybe it said, yeah, I could. Which is different.
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Jack Armstrong
Coming up next, son's a school shooter. Dad could be in jail for life. The details stay with us. Armstrong and Getty.
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Jack Armstrong
if there was a big red button that would just demolish the Internet, I would smash that button with my forehead. From the BBC this is the Interface, the show that explores how tech is rewiring your week and your world. This isn't about quarterly earnings or about tech reviews. It's about what technology is actually doing to your work, your politics, your everyday life and all the bizarre ways people are using the Internet. Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Michael from the Warren Treaty. You know the jingle now discover the
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It took a jury less than two hours to hold this Georgia father responsible after police say that his son murdered two students and two teachers at this suburban Atlanta high school in 2024. 55 year old Colin Gray is facing more than a hundred years in prison, convicted of second degree murder and more
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Jack Armstrong
than two dozen other charges.
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Jurors agreed that he ignored signs that his son could kill, giving him the gun even after authorities warning him that his teenager was accused of making threats against another school.
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Joe Getty
I'm glad we're going to get into the details of this story because I gotta believe there's lots of parents across the country that when they hear about one of these school shootings and how the kid was troubled. Yeah, I got a troubled kid I worry about all the time.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, yeah, it does come down to the details. As you say, this took place in a very red part of Georgia. It's worth mentioning rural Georgia. And the jury deliberated for less than two hours before finding Mr. Gray, Colin Gray, guilty of murder and manslaughter. I've got to admit I'm interested in the second degree murder statute and how this is that, but it clearly is. The son has not been tried. Interestingly enough, he's being held before trial. But The it killed two students and two teachers in Winder, Georgia, by the way, in 2024. But before his trial has even been scheduled, jurors decide the father bore criminal responsibility for the attack. Da, da, da. The prosecutor strategy trying to hold parents accountable when their child is accused of mass shooting has gained traction across the country in recent years. Multiple warnings over a lengthy period of time. Said the district attorney, you just had to do one thing, take that rifle away and this could have been prevented. Excuse me. There has been one previous conviction of the father and mother of a teenager sentenced to life in Michigan.
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Joe Getty
Right. I do remember that they were both
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Jack Armstrong
found guilty of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to 10 to 15 years in prison. I'm skipping around a little bit. Defense lawyers argued it was unfair to say with the clarity of hindsight that the father should have been more cautious. The elder Mr. Gray testified in his own defense, describing his struggles to connect with his son and to help him as he struggled with panic attacks, intense anger, and other behavioral issues. He had bought the gun to draw his son away from video games and the Internet.
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Joe Getty
Oh, boy. And. And what did you say earlier? It was an AR15.
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Jack Armstrong
Or a clone.
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Joe Getty
So you get your kid in AR15. I mean, there's one. It's an interesting decision, you know, that my kid spends too much time playing video games, and I'm worried about his mental health. Here's a gun.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, I know. It's incredibly unwise. He said despite his son's emotional volatility, he had no reason to suspect that he was plotting a school shooting. There's this whole other side of Colt I didn't know existed, he said. Prosecutors showed jurors snippets of a text exchange between the father and his daughter after reports began to spread of a shooting at the high school in which he asked if she had been in touch with her brother, and she replied, I think we're thinking the same thing. When the police arrived at the family home, before officers could explain why they were there, Mr. Gray told them, I
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Joe Getty
knew it, damn it.
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Jack Armstrong
But there's more. There is more. During the trial, prosecutors tried to show that the sun's mounting struggles and capacity for violence were anything but hidden. They painted a picture of a young man drowning in family chaos. His parents fought. His mother struggled with addiction. They moved constantly, forcing the younger Mr. Gray to switch schools repeatedly. Through elementary and middle schools, absences stacked up. He missed his eighth grade year entirely.
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Joe Getty
Oh, my God.
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Jack Armstrong
By the time he enrolled at Apalachee High School for ninth grade, the boy was telling relatives about voices in his head.
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Joe Getty
That kid didn't have a chance. So you got. You got a kid who didn't have a chance. Combination of probably biological, organic, I guess they call it mental illness with an awful home life. Holy crap. He.
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Jack Armstrong
His grandmother testified that he had asked whether she would still love him if he did something terrible. His parents discussed and researched possible psychological treatment, but never followed through. Instead, they gave him some of the antidepressants prescribed to his mother.
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Joe Getty
According to prosecution, Just on their own made that decision. Yeah.
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Jack Armstrong
Then in the years leading up to the attack, Colt Gray developed an obsession with gunmen and high profile school shootings. He had photographs of the gunman and clippings of news coverage of the shooting in Parkland, Florida, on his wall. His father. It was on his wall in his bedroom. His father claimed to not recognize the person in the photos, at one point telling investigators he thought it might be a member of the rock band Green Day.
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Joe Getty
That's possible that he didn't understand that that was a shrine to the shooters. My kids have weird collages on their wall. I also assume are skateboarders or rock stars or whatever.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, rappers. The fifth day he started attending classes at the school. He brought the gun to school in his backpack, using poster board to cover the portion that poked out.
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Joe Getty
I just watched the video up on tv, which was horrifying to watch.
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Jack Armstrong
In his first period class, he asked his teacher if the school had done active shooter drills. She said, yeah, there had been one the previous week. But the question unnerved her, prompting her to email a counselor and a vice principal. During the next period, he asked to go to the counselor's office, but instead locked himself in a bathroom stall for 26 minutes. Around that time, his mother called the school, apparently alarmed by a text message. But school officers were delayed in intervening because they confused Colt Gray with another student whose name was almost identical, and looked for that student instead. Colt Gray emerged from the bathroom, opened fire, etc. What a horrible story. Oh, it is an absolutely terrible, terrible story.
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Joe Getty
I think I agree with the conclusion that if you take the gun out of the mix, this doesn't happen.
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Jack Armstrong
Probably not. Certainly not then. And those people would not have died. Which is the question. There's a video of the cops showing up to. To the home when his son had been making threats against another school, in which dad is sitting there smirking with a beer in his hand, disdainfully rolling his eyes at the cops.
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Joe Getty
Oh, that's not good.
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Jack Armstrong
A very different Persona than the fellow there looking chagrined in court.
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Joe Getty
Okay, so that's a different scenario than parents I know who worry roughly every day of their lives about their kids and their mental health and all the different things and what should they do? As opposed to smirking at the cops.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, yeah. Highly unfortunate, but those are the facts of the case.
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Joe Getty
Buying them the gun was a really horrible idea. Having a troubled kid, you don't know how to deal with it. I. I have been down the road of man therapists and psychiatrists. If you've never dealt with it, you think, you know, well, you get. You get a psychiatrist.
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Jack Armstrong
Get some help.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, exactly.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah.
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Joe Getty
That's a very, very simple version of what actually happens once you go down the road of trying to get mental health. It's long, it's slow, it's complicated. Everybody's got a different opinion.
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Jack Armstrong
A lot of them suck, and some of them are just handing out pills. It reminds me of people's naive belief in drug rehab treatments. They. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. You know what? I'm a. I'm a meth addict. I'm a crackhead. I do tranq all the time. Whatever. I'm gonna get help. And then those people get clean, obviously. No, it's the one in. I don't know how many actually successfully stay sober. It's very, very, very small.
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Joe Getty
Very small number. But obviously, with all of that stuff said, you can't get. Give that kid an AR15. It's just a terrible idea.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah. My kid has unbelievable, explosive anger problems, and I'm having trouble connecting with him. I know what I'll do. Well, if you're.
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Joe Getty
If you're fur enough, far enough down
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Jack Armstrong
the road, fur enough. I guess we're talking about Georgia and
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Joe Getty
I started talking like that. Um, if you're fur enough down the road that when there's a shooting at the school, you think, I'll bet that was my kid. Then it doesn't make a lot of sense. You got him a gun.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah. Yeah. So let's pay this off on a cheerier note. Gavin Newsom is continuing his appalling book tour as he gets ready to run for president. He was in beautiful Rock Hill, South Carolina, the other day, an area we know well, very close to Charlotte.
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Joe Getty
I have been. That's where I went to the strip club where I saw the midgets fight the stripper. No, it was a bar.
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Jack Armstrong
I saw there was a lot. Slow down.
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Joe Getty
Sorry.
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Jack Armstrong
Whoa, whoa.
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Joe Getty
Slow down. A little person. Rock Hill, South Carolina. Because if you went right across the river into South Carolina from Charlotte, the bars were open an extra hour, right? So I got kicked out of two. We're not done drinking, so you gotta go to cross the line into South Carolina where the bars are still open. And I saw a couple of strippers who were off. They got done at the strip club, came to the bar fight, some little people.
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Jack Armstrong
Was it just a bar room brawl or was it staged for the entertainment of the patrons or what?
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Joe Getty
What happened? Now I'm remembering how it all came together. The two strippers got into a fight over a guy and then a little person tried to break it up, which I thought, this is some of the most amazing entertainment I've ever seen. But then they turned on the little. The little person. And then it ended up just the two strippers. I think that's when I decided to leave the area. And I'm not sure I know how it ends. It's all but blurry.
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Jack Armstrong
That's one of the most extraordinary things I've ever heard.
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Joe Getty
It was one of those. I stood there with my mouth open. Boy, in the modern world, that would have. You know, everybody had had their phone out, had that on video and that. Everybody in the world would have seen that, right. And had a joke and a song.
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Jack Armstrong
Oh, there'd be a remix, Right.
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Joe Getty
They would have become famous. They would all become influencers of some sort. I might remember me from the guy who broke up the stripper fight.
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Jack Armstrong
Wow. Okay, I've got a reset. Emotionally, intellectually, in every way. Why don't we take a break? We'll get to Gavin Newsom. Slut shaming Kamala Harris.
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Joe Getty
Sorry, I distracted from the main story.
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Jack Armstrong
Well, not at all, not at all.
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Joe Getty
God, I can still. It was one of those things that was so extraordinary. I can still picture it.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah. Interesting that the two harlots, they're not fighting Scarlets.
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Joe Getty
Not necessarily. They're dancers.
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Jack Armstrong
I thought there was free speech in America. I'm gonna call them Arlette. Anyway, so the two harlots, having been at war with each other, banded together when the little person interceded in the manner of like a fighting couple. Turns on the cops.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, every cop will tell you, you go there to break up a couple of people fighting, then they turn on you.
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Jack Armstrong
I didn't know that extended to strippers in bars. Dancers, wee hours, exotic dancers, gifted exotic dancers.
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Joe Getty
All right, we'll return to Rock Hill,
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Jack Armstrong
South Carolina, in a moment.
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Joe Getty
I'm pretty sure it was like 3:00am I mean, that's a That's really in the middle of the night.
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Okay, we'll get to this. Coming up.
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The story of the guy who killed himself because his his AI wife told him to. Lawsuit against Google. It's just breaking late yesterday. We got to get into more details on this. It's amazing and troubling.
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Jack Armstrong
Speaking of amazing and troubling, a clip of Gavi Newsom that will shock and amaze both current Cal Unicornians and refugees of the great state in a moment. But first, I want to pay this off. He was in the midst of his appalling book tour in Rock Hill, South Carolina.
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Joe Getty
Appalling?
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Jack Armstrong
Jack, please don't. Please don't start again. Anyway, he, he said a couple of interesting things, including that he regrets nothing about his unyielding support for sleepy Joe Biden. Blah, blah, blah. I'll never turn my back on Joe Biden, he says before whipping the crowd into a frenzy by speed shouting a list of Biden's alleged accomplishments.
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Joe Getty
Now this is South Carolina, which is South Carolina, saved Joe Biden's political career. He was dead in the water and South Carolina rescued him. So maybe that's why.
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Jack Armstrong
Correct. And then Andrew Styles of the Free Beacon writes, alas, Newsom's blind loyalty does not extend to Kamala Harris, who might run against him in 2028. And he repeats my sentiments. Yes, Queen, please do. While recounting his early career in San Francisco politics, the governor reminded the audience pointedly that Harris got her start by sleeping with the city's former mayor, Willie Brown. You wouldn't know Kamala Harris without Willie Brown, said Newsom with a knowing nod.
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Joe Getty
Come on now.
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Jack Armstrong
I'd like to know if he got more specific than that. Wow.
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Joe Getty
Why did he go there? Because she thinks she's gonna challenge him? Or is she saying, you come at me and this is gonna be. This is on the table as a conversation.
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Jack Armstrong
Absolutely. Both. Yeah. And I like this.
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Joe Getty
Oh, and he probably knows details.
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Jack Armstrong
Oh yeah, 100.
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Joe Getty
Coming from the whole political family of San Francisco and California and being tied in with all those people, he probably knows the nitty gritty that none of us know.
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Jack Armstrong
I've talked to high level insiders in California politics who told me at the time. It's the joke everybody was making. Well, to quote Andrew Styles of the Free Peacon, and I do not approve of this at all. Quote, you wouldn't know Kamala Harris without Willie Brown, says Newsom, who clawed his way to the top the old fashioned way by having a rich and powerful dad. It's a polite way of saying Harris is a conniving.
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Joe Getty
He got to the top the old fashioned way. Having a rich and powerful dad, not sleeping with a different powerful person.
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Jack Armstrong
All right, here you go, Cal Unicornians. This one is for you. You're not going to believe it. If you're driving, pull over. If you're standing, sit, please. Gavin Newsome on Jimmy Kimmel. I think last night, sometimes I hear
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Joe Getty
people talking about California and I wonder, like, where are they getting this? Where are they getting this?
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Jack Armstrong
Well, Fox derangement. I mean, it's 24 7. The California Derangement Syndrome is through these propaganda networks focusing on what's wrong every single day. And there's an old adage, you're nothing more than your consistent thoughts. Whatever you focus on, you find more of. And these networks have really honed in on California for one reason. Our success runs completely contra to their entire worldview.
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Joe Getty
What?
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Jack Armstrong
The fact that California is the fourth largest economy in the world, has more scientists, engineers, more Nobel laureates, the finest system of higher education, more venture capital than in the state in America.
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Joe Getty
We got the TMZ tour.
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Jack Armstrong
We got TMZ tours. Not that we don't have problems. We do have problems. We have problems. But there's an energy in daring and an entrepreneurialism that to fight.
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Joe Getty
It's the best state. It is the best state.
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Jack Armstrong
And you know, it's also, and you know, this is part of it, it's also the most diverse state in the United states of America. 27% of this state's foreign born. And that offends these guys. Okay, so it's jealousy and racism. Okay?
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Joe Getty
The state is successful still, despite just successful in the way of entrepreneurs and the big companies. You know, five of the seven biggest companies in the world are based not far from the radio station. But God dang it, all you got to do is drive around California, drive around any of the cities and look at the tents and the people. Go to an emergency room sometime, cut your finger, slice in a bagel and go to the emergency room and see
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Jack Armstrong
what it's like there. Or take a tour of the statistics last in business environment, you know, 47th in literacy, awful educational numbers, highest taxes. It just goes on and on and on.
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Joe Getty
I like the way he goes with a quarter of the population. Being foreign born is something that is clearly good.
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Jack Armstrong
The idiot crowd cheers.
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Joe Getty
Price of gas. I tweeted out a picture of my gas pump yesterday. The 150 bucks worth of gas I put in my in truck before it shut off because it's almost $6 a gallon.
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Jack Armstrong
Wow. Wow.
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Joe Getty
What you go to. Oh man, if I start getting worked up about this, you go to the freaking CVS to get deodorant and you got to get somebody with a key to unlock it because everything gets stolen all the time. That didn't used to be true. How can you possibly call yourself a success when that is happening?
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Jack Armstrong
I know, it's astounding, isn't it?
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Joe Getty
God dang it. Try to open a business in California and see how hard it is compared to anywhere else.
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Jack Armstrong
Miles of red tape, enormous fees, this the smug, condescending derision of the bureaucrat who holds your fate in his greasy hands.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, or have your home burned down in the Palisades and try to rebuild it.
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Jack Armstrong
Oh, that reminds me, that the headline. Those homeowners are getting fined for not properly maintaining the vegetation on their burned out lots of now they're getting fined by the state.
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Joe Getty
At our farm we got a letter from the fire department. We need to mow the weeds and they outlawed gas mowers. So you can't buy a gas mower but you can get fined for. Oh my God. Where do you even start on this?
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Jack Armstrong
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