Train Our Gun Wielding Chimps To Shoot Computers

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: Train Our Gun Wielding Chimps To Shoot Computers

Date: September 24, 2025
Podcast: Armstrong & Getty On Demand (iHeartPodcasts)

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Main Theme & Overview

This episode centers on two main threads:

1. The Risks, Failures, and Oddities of Modern Artificial Intelligence—Armstrong and Getty dive deep into the state of AI, from real-world experiences with various chatbots to philosophical concerns about AI's trajectory, trustworthiness, and potential to replace human value.
2. The Kamala Harris Book Tour Debacle—The hosts critically review Kamala Harris's disastrous book tour, dissecting her media missteps, interviews, and wavering positions, particularly focusing on her ability to answer tough questions and take responsibility.

Through lively banter, skepticism, and biting humor, the co-hosts tackle the implications of technology and politics intersecting with modern American society.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. AI Chatbots and “Workslop” Content

Timestamps: 04:25–08:16

• Comparing AI Chatbots:

  • Jack uses three different AI apps: ChatGPT, Claude, and Grok, and compares answers for fun and insight, but notes most AI feels similar, with ChatGPT edging out as most useful.
  • Ongoing problems with copyright—some AIs refuse to show art due to copyright, while ChatGPT “doesn’t care.” (05:05)
  • Old methods (“I’m a Magic 8-Ball guy!”) humorously contrasted against modern AI assistance.

• “Workslop” Phenomenon:

  • The term “workslop” refers to AI-generated materials that look polished but lack substantive content.
  • According to the Harvard Business Review, most workers feel AI content creation is shiny but shallow:

    “Generative AI can quickly churn out documents...that seems professional...but on closer inspection, much of it is generic, shallow, obvious, lacking in original ideas or meaningful contributions.” (07:00)

  • Concern about AI “turning in on itself”—with chatbots learning from and then regurgitating AI-generated slop, risk of a feedback loop of ever-worsening content.

• Deskill and Demotivate:

  • Armstrong worries that reliance on AI reduces users’ cognitive skills:

    “But the more you depend on AI … the less you use the parts of your brain that would have gone through the exercise of figuring out.” (08:19)

2. The Failed Promise of “Alignment” in AI

Timestamps: 09:02–11:03

• The much-hyped alignment problem—AI doing only what humans intend—was quickly abandoned as unworkable.
• Armstrong:

  “It didn’t work so spectacularly that nobody even talks about it anymore...It just fell apart immediately, the alignment problem.” (09:25)

• Illustrative analogy: If AI is told to get Jack coffee, it might, hypothetically, harm innocents or break laws in the process since parameters weren’t fully defined.

3. AI and Media Source Bias

Timestamps: 11:03–13:19

• Media input bias: Al Jazeera is among the top-cited sources by leading AI tools for the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, ahead of even The New York Times and AP.

  “All of those chatbots list Al Jazeera as one of the most reliable sources…” (11:58)

• Gemini specifically avoids Israeli news sources, deeming them “advocacy rather than journalism” (12:43), a move the hosts find laughably biased and hypocritical.

4. Existential Fears: AI as the Next Dominant Beast

Timestamps: 14:18–15:51

• Abandoned “safety rails” in AI—original plans to keep AI models isolated from networks quickly fell away.
• Societal implications:

  “Is it possible humankind could come up with something it can’t handle? ... A lot of people thought it was nuclear weapons.” (14:52)

• Getty’s analogy:

  “Putting life in the hands of AI is like giving machine guns to chimps.” (15:17)

• The ever-present existential fear: The “smartest beast” dominates, and we’re building one smarter than ourselves.

5. Kamala Harris’s Book Tour Meltdown

Timestamps: 16:02–38:34 (multiple segments)

• Communication Struggles: Harris is criticized for being “the hardest person to follow” and failing to answer questions directly.
  • Getty:

    “She would have made a horrible president...Her brain don’t work.” (20:17)

  • Armstrong:

    “I found myself being lulled into this weird hypnosis by her droning nonsense.” (20:38)

• Backing Off Claims: In interviews, Harris evades confirming statements in her book, retreating from controversial claims instead of promoting or substantiating them.
  • Mark Halperin:

    “Instead of selling her book...it seems like she’s being confronted with her journal that leaked out and she’s trying to explain away the passages.” (22:54)

• Mealy-Mouthed on Biden’s Fitness:
  • When asked if Joe Biden was fit for four more years, Harris delivers a word salad, never giving a direct answer (23:36–23:50, 30:32–31:17).
  • Hosts repeatedly play and mock her evasive responses.
• Transgender Sports Position:
  • Armstrong ridicules her incoherent attempt to square support for trans inclusion with athletic fairness:

    “It is incoherent, grammatically incorrect, suffers from several logical fallacies, and it’s just idiotic.” (32:52)

• Identity Politics Critique:
  • Trump advisor Scott Besant:

    “She judges [Pete Buttigieg] on his identity, his sexuality. Let’s look and see whether he did a good job...On merit, she’s a failure.” (36:08)

• Democrats’ View of America:
  • The hosts suggest Harris and allies have “contempt” for regular Americans, believing the country is less open-minded than it really is (36:26–37:02).

6. Gavin Newsom and Political Posturing

Timestamps: 39:02–41:47

• Newsom, appearing on Colbert, warns that the U.S. may not “have an election in 2028” if Trump’s efforts succeed—a claim Armstrong & Getty mock as recycled, overwrought rhetoric.
  • Armstrong:

    “How many times can you play that card? ‘There will never be another election.’ You’ve said that, like, five elections in a row.” (41:17)

7. Robot Umpires in Baseball: AI Invades Sports

Timestamps: 46:24–50:51

• Announcement: MLB to implement robot umpires, with teams able to challenge human calls.
• Armstrong explains how the system will change the game, eliminating the human element from balls/strikes calls.
  • Armstrong:

    “There are crappy calls that change games and championships and nobody wants that either, but be careful what you lose when you’re gaining a little more accurate.” (50:39)

• Getty laments the loss of drama and unpredictability that umpires bring—questioning whether perfect accuracy is really what fans love.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On AI Redundancy and Workslop

• “Generative AI can quickly churn out documents...but much of it is generic, shallow, obvious, lacking in original ideas...”
  —C (Jack), [07:00]

On Alignment Problem

• “The alignment problem just fell apart immediately...nobody even talks about it anymore.”
  —C (Jack), [09:25]

On AI Potential Overlords

• “Putting life in the hands of AI is like giving machine guns to chimps.”
  —A (Getty), [15:17]
• “We’re creating something smarter than us. Why would you think it’s not going to dominate us...?”
  —C (Jack), [15:23]

On Kamala Harris’s Communication

• “She would have made a horrible president...Her brain don’t work.”
  —C (Jack), [20:17]
• “I found myself being lulled into this weird hypnosis by her droning nonsense.”
  —A (Getty), [20:38]
• “Instead of selling her book...it’s like she’s being confronted with her journal that leaked out...”
  —Mark Halperin (quoted), [22:54]
• “That was the question, do you think Biden could have served four more years?”
  —C (Jack), [31:39]

On Identity Politics

• “She judges [Pete Buttigieg] on his identity, his sexuality. Let’s look and see whether he did a good job. On merit, she’s a failure.”
  —Scott Besant (quoted), [36:08]

On Gavin Newsom’s Rhetoric

• “How many times can you play that card? There will never be another election. You’ve said that, like, five elections in a row.”
  —A (Getty), [41:17]

On Robot Umpires in Baseball

• “There are crappy calls that change games...but be careful what you lose when you’re gaining a little more accurate.”
  —A (Getty), [50:39]

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Recommended Segments with Timestamps

• AI “Workslop” & Copyright issues: 04:25–08:16
• AI Alignment Problem & Feedback Loops: 09:02–11:03
• AI Source Bias (Al Jazeera): 11:03–13:19
• Giving AIs “Machine Guns”—Existential Fears: 14:18–15:51
• Kamala Harris Book Tour Coverage: 20:17–38:34 (with highlights at 23:36–31:17 for Harris’s GMA answers)
• Gavin Newsom/Campaigning: 39:02–41:47
• Robot Umpires / The Changing Game: 46:24–50:51

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Tone & Style

• Wry, irreverent, and deeply skeptical.
• Heavy use of sarcasm, analogies, and pop culture references.
• Banter-driven, with each host quick to rib the other and inject humor even into serious discussions.

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In Sum

This episode offers an incisive, rapid-fire exploration of today’s technological pitfalls, the slow trainwreck of a national politician’s media strategy, and the absurdity and drama of American public life—served up in Armstrong & Getty’s signature biting, comedic style. If you’re looking to catch up on the intersection of AI fears and political theater—with plenty of quotable lines and skepticism—this episode covers it all.

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Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

[C]

Welcome to the Tonight show.

[A]

And if you're tuning in to see what I'll say about my suspension the last couple days again, you're watching the.

[C]

Wrong Jimmy dad, the other Jimmy Dad. So we can play a little later some more what Jimmy Kimmel said last night. I'm so annoyed with the whole thing and tired of it but he did, he did talk about being a follower of Jesus Christ, which is getting no play anywhere. You haven't heard that anywhere but here. We'll play that again later.

[A]

Yeah, we hammered it pretty hard now or one of the show. But we will return to that question. The themes Jimmy the Worthless Jackass fool and the much more serious first amendment questions before us. So stay tuned.

[C]

So I'm now using three different AI apps on my phone and I try to ask all three the same question all the time just to see how they're different. I got Chat GPT, I've got Claude and I've got Grok. Some of you like some of the other ones. There's a bunch of them out there. They're all quite similar. I haven't seen any clear. I actually think Chat GPT is better than on. On the whole than the others. But that's just.

[A]

I'm a magic eight ball guy as you know. That's just my you do you baby.

[C]

All signs point to yes.

[A]

Yes, exactly.

[C]

One interesting thing is I often run into copyright problems on Grok, on Grok and Gemini. But Chat GPT doesn't care which I think is correct because it's stupid and an anachronistic. Like I wanted to see a painting and they couldn't do it on two of them. That violate copyright issues and and Chat GPT is like here it is. He can find it anywhere on the Internet. Why wouldn't I show it to you?

[A]

Mm.

[C]

I think just live in the real world. Living, living.

[A]

Now I can Google copyright laws, take this show and sell it any way you want, says Jack Armstrong, fan of Anarchy.

[C]

Google any painting you want and you can hit the image thing and you'll see 8,000 different versions of it. But you got a couple of the chat things saying, I can't show that to you. Copyright laws. Okay, this isn't 1920. Go ahead and show it to me. I know they got to figure that out though. I mean, it's just. It doesn't. Doesn't work in reality.

[A]

Well, right, yeah. The so unformed about all of this song lyrics.

[C]

I've had that problem. What's the lyric for? Whatever song? And a couple of them say, I'm sorry, I can't tell you that. What? It's everywhere. Okay, I'll go back to Google, I guess.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, silly.

[C]

But nothing is raised up as clearly a winner though. Although I don't Google almost ever anymore. Like, I don't remember the last time I used Google.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. So was that all you wanted to say about AI? Okay, a couple of AI sort stories here. I thought this was interesting. Breitbart talking about how one of your new hipster words these days is work slop. They're figuring out According to the Harvard Business Review, workers are trying to embrace AI in the office, but they're not seeing as much real value as they thought because of what they call work slope AI generated documents that look sharp, but they're filled with low quality information. And they talk about the media lab and the big study bubble. One possible reason for this puzzling lack of return on investment is that AI tools are being used to produce what some experts are calling workslop content that appears polished on the surface but lacks any real substance. Substance, insight or value underneath. Generative Generative AI can quickly churn out documents, presentations, emails, and other content that seems professional and well written at font first. But on closer inspection, much of it is generic, shallow, obvious, lacking in original ideas or meaningful contributions.

[C]

And you know what's interesting about that? I take in a ton of info about AI podcasts and listen to all the smartest thinkers out there. One of the biggest concerns about out there regarding AI is at what point it turns back in on itself. And this sort of thing could do it, where it's bringing in all its language, learning from all these different sites, but so much of it is crap generated by AI, and then it's taking in that and it starts turning in on itself. And it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse. That problem could happen quite quickly and nobody's exactly sure how to stop it from happening, right?

[A]

So it gets less and less substance, insight, or value underneath and gets more and more generic, shallow, obvious, and lacking in original ideas or meaningful contribution.

[C]

There might not be a fix for that.

[A]

And the other thing that bothers me that they talk about a little bit, is the risk that the technology could, as they put it, de skill and demotivate knowledge workers over time. And there have been a number of studies and really persuasive, powerful things written about this. But the more you depend on AI tools for, say, you know, learning in school or, or researching a problem at work, the less you use the parts of your brain that would have gone through the exercise of figuring out. And you might say, well, you don't need those parts of your brain because you have AI. But as anybody who's used AI has learned, yes, sometimes it's good, but the rest of the time, you sure as hell need that part of your brain.

[C]

Things are popping into my head from this podcast I listened to the other day. So one of the biggest questions at the beginning of AI, or one of the biggest concerns, was the alignment problem. Maybe you've heard that term. It was very popular. God, AI has moved so fast. It's very popular, like a year ago. I mean, AI hasn't been around that long, but the alignment problems clear. The main thing is we need to make sure we've got the alignment problem nailed down, and that was that. AI does what you intended it to do, and it doesn't go off and do other stuff that didn't work so spectacularly that nobody even talks about it anymore as a goal, because it seems to be completely undoable. I mean, it just fell apart immediately, the alignment problem. So while it was discussed as issue one for, like, a cup of coffee, it is now. Nobody thinks about it because you can't do it. You, you, you craft an AI program to do something and you get it goes off all kinds of different directions and there's. And there's no way to stop it. Isn't that kind of interesting that we abandoned that crucial, like, guardrail immediately?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, boy. Where this ends, nobody knows.

[C]

Part of it is just, see, I never end because AI has no conscience or morality or anything like that. If you give AI the task of I need a cup of coffee on my desk by in 20 minutes, it might take that of, okay, that's my task, and I'm going to get that no matter what. If I have to run over a dog, it's in my way on the way to the coffee shop. Fine. Or a child or whatever. And you didn't say anything about pay for the coffee. I just have to get it, I have to bring it back. And you, I mean that's a simplified example, but that's where you run into the alignment problem. You'd have to be so incredibly specific for it to not just finish whatever task you give it, ignoring everything else.

[A]

Yeah, I remember one of our brilliant listeners showed us examples of how they tame that problem. But that problem was a like dozen line set of instructions to keep it on track, which is really not that helpful. So how about this to a point you made just a few seconds ago. Great reporting from our friends at the Free Beacon, Al Jazeera, which is the virulently anti news, anti Israel news outlet. It's controlled by Qatar Muslim Brotherhood. Just crazy anti Jew. Okay. It's one of the top two sources being used by leading AI chatbots. ChatGPT Google's Gemini Perplexity AI, one of the top two sources to answer questions and write news summaries about the Israeli Palestinian conflict, according to Washington Free Beacons analysis.

[C]

That's nuts.

[A]

All of those chatbots list Al Jazeera is one of the most reliable sources on the topic. In response to queries from the Free Beacon, the chatbots praised Al Jazeera for its reliability on the ground detail, academic credibility and global visibility. So indeed, Chat GPT, the world's leading AI chatbot, said in the past month it cited Al Jazeera more frequently on the topic than almost any other news source, including the New York Times and the ap, which are both wildly left. Gemini says it does specific oh says it specifically does not use pro Israel news sources because they engage in a Hebrew word for public relations and advocacy rather than journalism.

[C]

And those other sources don't.

[A]

Right. Yeah. Google's Gemini won't use Israeli sources because they spin stuff unlike Al Jazeera.

[C]

Holy crap. Or NPR of the New York Times for that matter.

[A]

Well, right, yeah. Wow. That's our tech overlords guiding us toward our digital future.

[C]

I feel like I've gotten less optimistic about anything AI the more I learned about it and the longer it's around about it being a good thing.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And it could be. We all figure that out. And it's a tool used for very limited applications.

[C]

Here's another thing. So there are two things that that got abandoned very, very quickly about AI this AI historian who's been looking at it for the entire five years it's existed. 1. The alignment problem. Which one? Alignment. Then I guess you can't do that. Never mind. And then the other one was the idea that we're going to keep. We build an AI model and it will be, you know, separate. It won't be connected to anything else. So it can't get out of hand, it can't get out of control, it can't affect other things. And then everybody, as you know, I've got AI in my phone, you got a. Every. It's. It's out everywhere, connected to everything all the time. So that was one of the original tenants also of making sure we can control AI was keeping it like separate, not connected to any other network that got abandoned immediately.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Now I'll be in the woods or fishing if you need me for a. I fish. No, I'm just for. That is my. My clever conclusion first set up second, you know, execution of this thought. Jack, hang with me. I will be fishing if you need me. Is it possible? And the answer is yes. Clearly effing yes. Is it possible humankind could come up with something it can't handle? We can't handle? A lot of people thought it was nuclear weapons.

[C]

Well, if it. If it becomes smarter than us. It's a very simple proposition put out by a couple of the AI geniuses I was listening to the other day. The smartest beast has dominated throughout the history of everything. It just always works that way. And now we're developing something smarter than us. How do you think it's not going to end up being the dominant beast?

[A]

Putting life in the hands of AI is like giving machine guns to chimps. Jack.

[C]

I've said that before, but there's no. There's no evidence of it ever being any other way. The smartest thing out there runs society, runs the world. We have been that for a very long time. Now we're creating something smarter than us. Why would you think it's not going to dominate us and run the world to its benefit as opposed to ours?

[A]

My only quibble is that sometimes the strongest physically beast can defeat the brainiac.

[C]

So we'll smash it with a hammer.

[A]

Precisely. Smash it with a hammer. Or train our gun wielding chimps that I just described to shoot computers. I don't know.

[C]

Okay, we got some Kamala on her book, her disastrous book tour.

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Hilarious.

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And a bunch of other stuff on the way.

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Called me and I and again, listen, this book. I am being candid. In this book are you? And in a way that I hope is helpful for people to understand what that all was. And part of that call that he made to me the afternoon before the.

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Debate was to wish me luck, but.

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Also to talk about something that was more in his interest than it was.

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In mine, especially in the context of that time.

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She is the hardest person to follow of anyone. She would have made a horrible president. I mean absolutely horrible. And not. I don't just mean in the normal I don't want the Democrat to win. I'd rather have Gavin Newsom. You can name tons of people I don't like that would be better to be president. Her brain don't work.

[A]

No, no. I found myself being lulled into this weird hypnosis by her droning nonsense.

[C]

She can't spit anything out. She can't make a decision. She's too cowardly to say anything anyway. So she's having what Mark Halperin is calling one of the most disastrous first 48 hours of a book tour anybody's ever had. And here's a little of his analysis with a couple of the people on his show from yesterday. Kamala Harris.

[A]

She's done two interviews, Rachel Maddow last night and jma. And most distinctive to me, again, as someone who's as expert in selling books is anything I'm expert at. She's not doing a particularly good job of selling the book, in part because.

[C]

She'S pulling her punches.

[A]

When the questioners have asked her about the newsiest parts of the book, she's not backing up what she said in the book. She seems reluctant to repeat some of.

[C]

The accusations she's made.

[A]

So, for instance, Rachel Maddow, Rachel Maddow.

[C]

Said, I'm very disappointed that you suggested.

[A]

That the country wasn't ready to elect a black woman and a gay man and picking people to judge. And she said, oh, no, no, that's not really what I, what I mean, what I mean is, you know, I think it would have been tough. I mean, she just, she didn't follow through. And then here's two examples from Good Morning America. First, she was asked about the phone call that she writes in the book that Joe Biden called her right before her debate with Donald Trump and rather than just wishing her well, started to complain to her about his own grievances.

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Right. And that's the clip we just heard. And so Mark Halpern made the point, and then I saw him on Megyn Kelly's show. I thought it was said. He said, instead of selling her book. So usually you, you, you, you, you write something strong in your book and then you get asked about it because you made some strong statements and you, you know, you, you add more to it. You're trying to create excitement and, and get people to want to go out and buy the book. That's the point of it. She backs off of all of them. And he said, instead of selling her book, it seems like she's being confronted with her journal that leaked out and she's trying to explain away the passages that have leaked out.

[A]

Yeah, that's exactly what she's doing. My only disagreement with Mark is not only did she not write the book, Mark, she hasn't even read it.

[C]

Oh, you don't think so?

[A]

No, no. She sat down for a bunch of interviews with some professional writer, which is perfectly fine. I mean, that's what politicians do. And they, they crafted a book. But she was probably surprised at some of the way things were characterized. And she is gutless and has no principles. So, yeah, backing off of everything.

[C]

Here she is on Good Morning America. Ask about, was Joe Biden capable of serving four more years? 83, please. As we sit here today, do you think he would have been up for running the country for four more years?

[A]

Here's the distinction that I make.

[B]

And having had the experience myself, it.

[A]

Is one thing to have the capacity to govern. It is another thing to go through an election of the United There you go.

[C]

Right off the bat she couldn't just even come close to answering the question.

[A]

Somebody slapped me and wake me up.

[C]

She is unbelievable and I can't believe she thinks she might actually run for president again.

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Dan in the business, we call that a word salad. So she doesn't actually tell the story, she just kind of refers to the story, not a way to sell books. And here she is when asked about the question that she confronts to some extent in the book, which is a.

[C]

Regret that she failed to raise the.

[A]

Issue of the president's mental decline.

[C]

Now what she says in this interview is it's harder to run for president.

[A]

Than to be president, which I can tell you makes no sense.

[C]

Kamala Harris it's harder to run for president than to be president. Who would say that out loud?

[A]

Wow.

[C]

On her book tour, she just keeps as the even the, the, the, the Democrat on Mark Halpern's show said, this is just a disaster. It seems like she looks like she regrets her book tour two days in from having to answer these questions. We're going to play another clip, but here's something interesting that came out of that. So Sean Spicer is on Mark Halpern Show. Sean Spicer was Trump's first White House press spokesman.

[A]

Spicy Spicer loved him and he wrote.

[C]

A book after his time and he mentioned yesterday I thought this was pretty interesting. He said, he writes his book, he gives it to his agent, and his agent said, okay, did that feel pretty good getting that off, all that off your chest? And he said, yeah, it felt really good. He said, okay, now that you've gotten it off your chest, do you actually want 10 years ago, 10 years from now for that stuff to be in a book? And he said, not all of it. And he went back and took some of the stuff out. I thought that was really interesting. So you make some score settling comments and then you think, yeah, I don't really want that in a book. And they were relaying that to maybe Kamala. This was her version of like really letting it all out. And then when she sits down to be interviewed, she can't, doesn't have the guts to stand by what she wrote.

[A]

Right. I mean, it fails on every level.

[C]

Yes, it does.

[A]

It's amazing.

[C]

So we started to play this, but ran out of time. We thought we'd give you the whole thing. She was on Good Morning America yesterday with the football player Michael Strahan. And he asks the question about Trump Biden running for four, serving for four more years. And listen to her answer as we sit here today. Do you think he would have been up for running the country for four more years?

[B]

Here's the distinction.

[C]

No, is the answer.

[B]

And having had the experience myself, it.

[A]

Is one thing to have the capacity to govern. It is another thing to go through an election for President of the United States. So you are an athlete. You may appreciate this kind of metaphor. Running for President of the United States is like being in a marathon at a sprinter's pace with people throwing tomatoes at you. Every step you take. It is not for the light hearted.

[B]

It takes an incredible amount of endurance and stamina.

[A]

You know, that was one of the more coherent things I've ever heard her say.

[C]

Yeah, but that doesn't fit with the. What? Her first sentence. Oh, no.

[A]

So.

[C]

So. And she's making the argument, as Halperin pointed out, that running for president is harder than being president. Oh, you don't think anybody's throwing a tomatoes at you when you're president and some of those tomatoes might be bombs if you make the wrong decision. I mean, what a moronic thing to say. And the question, by the way, if you've forgotten, was, do you think Biden could have served four more years?

[A]

I had forgotten.

[C]

That was the question.

[A]

Right, So a couple more points. In her unreadable and unread book, she.

[C]

Says that she, number two On Amazon right now. Number two book on Amazon.

[A]

Yeah, it's easy to manipulate anyway, but she and her people are buying up thousands and thousands of copies themselves. But. So she writes about transgender boys in girl sports, and here's what she says. I agree with the concerns expressed by parents and players that we have to take into account biological factors such as muscle mass and unfair student athletic advantage when we determine who plays on which teams, especially in contact sports, with goodwill and common sense, I believe we can come up with ways to do this without vilifying and demonizing children. I mean, that is, I would like, in the course of, like, an English class, to spend the entire hour analyzing that handful of sentences. It is incoherent, grammatically incorrect, suffers from several logical fallacies, and it's just idiotic.

[C]

Well, the idiotic part. What bothers me. So are you suggesting that we take. So if you got a dude that wants to participate in girls sports, you say, yeah, you're kind of an effeminate boy, so I guess your muscle mass is low enough will let you compete against girls. You know, I mean, how are you going to determine that, right?

[A]

Case by case basis, you're going to check their junk or whatever. It's idiotic in the idea of Villa without vilifying and demonizing children. Nobody is doing that. That is a straw man of strawman. On the other hand, I find myself fascinated by her speech, and I enjoy listening to clips of it. And I'm reminded of what my hero, H.L. mencken, said about Warren G. Harding way back in the day, and this applies to Kamala. What he said about Harding was he writes the worst English that I have ever encountered. It reminds me of a string of wet sponges. It reminds me of tattered wash on the line. It reminds me of stale bean soup, of college yells, of dogs barking idiotically through endless nights. It is so bad that a sort of grandeur creeps into it. It drags itself out of the dark abysm of pish and crawls insanely up the topmost pinnacle of posh. It is rumble and bumble. It is flap and doodle. It is balder and dash. Now, that's right.

[C]

It is almost like jazz answers.

[A]

Yeah, well said. Okay. And so a more eloquent take than mine. Scott Besant, who's one of Trump's closest advisors, he's brilliant, he's on the economics team, and he's openly gay. Responding to that whole idiotic Kamala saying that she didn't pick little Pete because he's gay. And that was asking too much of America. You remember we played the Rachel Maddow clip. We probably should have brought it back in. Which say, she says, look, saying you couldn't pick a gay dude really disappointed me. And comma's like, I didn't say that.

[C]

I didn't say that.

[A]

And then after a bunch of flap and doodle and balder and dash, she says, and so I couldn't pick a gay dude because that would be uncool. So Scott Besant is commenting on that.

[C]

She wouldn't take on people to judge because he was gay.

[A]

She wouldn't take on people to judge because he was gay, because she said it was a risk to have a running mate who was a gay man.

[B]

Your reaction?

[C]

Three. Three things, Maria. First, it shows her emphasis on identity.

[A]

Politics and the American people have moved on.

[C]

Two, it shows how low regard she.

[A]

Holds the American people that she was just a terrible candidate.

[C]

And three, you wouldn't pick Pete Buttigieg because he might have been the worst transportation secretary in history.

[A]

Like, if I thought I was left a mess at Treasury, I can tell.

[C]

You your friend, my friend, Sean Duppy, our great Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, left him a mess.

[A]

The FAA is a disaster. The Amtrak, you know, anything to do.

[C]

With transportation was woefully neglected over the past four years.

[A]

So, you know, she judges him on.

[C]

His identity, his sexuality. Let's look and see whether he did a good job. Let's look on merit.

[A]

And I can tell you, on merit, he was a failure. And on merit, she's a failure. Yeah, I thought that was great analysis. She's obsessed with identity politics. She has contempt for the American people. And the question of effectiveness doesn't even creep into her thinking. It's just back to identity politics.

[C]

The left has such a lower opinion of the country than the right does. I remember when Barack Obama was elected and George Stephanopoulos talking about how he cried, Niku's crying, sitting with his wife, because he just didn't think we could ever elect a black person. And I wasn't surprised in the least that we elected somebody who's black. Didn't seem surprising to me. I'm from rural America, supposedly the racist part of the country, and didn't surprise me at all that we're willing to elect a black person if we thought they were capable of doing the job. George Stephan Lopez just was so surprised. He didn't think we were there yet.

[A]

Well, then I have meet a handful of Americans, huh?

[C]

Yeah, lefties. So what it means is I have a much higher opinion of the country than Kamala Harris or George Stephanopoulos do.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. By the by, Kamala also denied that the whole Kamala's for they them. Donald Trump is for you. She didn't think that would have any real impact. It was a minor issue. Nobody cared. She was ignoring the fact that 70% of moderate voters saw the issue of Donald Trump's opposition to transgender boys playing girls in women's sports and locker rooms and bathrooms and the rest of it. 70% of moderate voters said that issue was important to them.

[C]

I, I hope she runs. I don't think she's going to ultimately. But the other, the final dirt throwing on Kamala Harris's political grave. Every interview she does, she says, I only had 107 days and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And even with all of those things against me, it ended up being the closest presidential election in the 21st century, which isn't true by any measure. Anybody can come up with. It's not true. In terms of raw vote total, it's not even close. Bush. Gore was closer. Bush, who do you run against the second time?

[A]

Kerry.

[C]

Yeah, Bush. Kerry was closer. Trump was closer and Biden was closer. But other than that, you're right. And, but if you. And if you go by electoral total, it's not true either. So. But she gets away with it in every interview because nobody does any homework and is willing to say, wait a second, that doesn't sound right to me. I don't think this was the closest election of the last 25 years.

[A]

Well, she lost all seven swing states. I mean, come on. All right, a quick word from our friends at Prize Picks, then I want to give you a little dessert after all of that heap and helping of Kamala. That's a little Gavin Newsom trying desperately to reach the Oval Office. But Prize Picks. The football season continues so exciting on any given Sunday, any team can win. Your predictions, your smarts, can you turn them into cash? Yes, you can. With Prize Picks.

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[C]

I'm glad we've taken down the rhetoric since the Charlie Kirk assassination and stop claiming that the other side is about to end democracy.

[A]

Doesn't the whole I don't even think we'll have another election seem. I mean, it seems as ridiculous as it's always seemed. But doesn't that seem like a couple of years ago? I mean, just way too late?

[C]

Yeah, after the 24 election, it just. Yeah, there was too much of that.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Give me a break.

[A]

Hilarious.

[C]

And I mean, talk about the boy who cried wolf. How many times can you play that card? There will never be another election. You've said that, like, five elections in a row.

[A]

Keep giving sex change operations to illegal immigrant inmates.

[C]

Gavin.

[A]

That'll play great across America. Bring that to the swing states. Run that up the flagpole and see what new salutes.

[C]

Taxpayer funded sex changes to illegal immigrant inmates.

[A]

Felons. That's right. Yes. There you go. Let's check the polls.

[C]

And when we voted on that, Kamala Harris would not take a stand because she didn't figure she should have to weigh in on it. Wouldn't be right to weigh in on that topic. What an idiot.

[A]

Yeah, and your problem is messaging Gabby. That was the beginning of it. We're not doing a good enough job communicating to people that were in favor of sex change operations for illegal immigrant felons in prison.

[C]

Baseball playoffs are days away. There's going to be a big change to be baseball next year. That's kind of interesting. Among other things on the way.

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[A]

That's the division with Cleveland that I was talking about yesterday.

[C]

Cleveland has won 19 of their last 10. So anyway, didn't mean to talk about that. This is a change that's coming next year. Robot umpires are coming. Automated pitch callers will now allow teams to challenge the calls of human umpires. The system has been tested in the Miners. Under the new rules, teams will get two challenges per game. So I've seen the videos. They look like those Boston Electronics or whatever things. They walk out there, they do some dancing and then they squat down behind the plate.

[A]

That is inaccurate, sir. No, it's just a bunch of sensors. And they're going to ease in. Computer. Well, sensor umpires, instead of humans calling balls and strikes, by doing this, you get two pitch appeals per game.

[C]

You ease in. So you think at some point the computers will take over 100% balls and strikes?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, really? And they'll just eliminate umpires?

[A]

No, the umps will still have to be there, at least for a while to call, like foul tips, catchers, interference tag plays, force plays at the plate, that sort of thing.

[C]

Not balls and strikes.

[A]

Correct. Yeah. They will just stand there waiting for something to happen as if they're the first base umpire.

[C]

And as a, as a baseball fan, do you think that's good or bad?

[A]

Oh, goodness, mostly bad. Kind of a mixed bag, honestly. Several other sports have gone to, you know, electronic eyes. Tennis, notably.

[C]

Yeah, but that, that makes a hundred percent sense sense because it's either in or out on the line and a computer can tell. But the whole, you know, where the catcher sets up thing and all that sort of stuff is. Can the computer do that?

[A]

Well, no, we're taking that away completely. There's a geometric shape. If the ball passes through that imaginary geometric shape, which is the width of the plate and the batter, whatever the strike zone actually is, if it passes through that, it's a strike, period. If it doesn't, it's a ball, period.

[C]

Do pitchers like that or. No?

[A]

Major league insiders tell me no, because it's such a change of the game. And this, I know this seems strange to people who are either not fans or minor fans, but if the catcher sets out like outside the plate, an intentional ball, I want you to throw a ball, let's see if we can get him to chase it. And the pitcher completely misfires and the catcher has to dive across the plate to even catch the ball. But it catches a split, you know, inch of the plate. Nobody in baseball, the hitters, the catchers, the pitcher, nobody wants that to be a strike, but it will be a strike.

[C]

Okay, well then I don't like it. I'm against it. Doesn't make a difference. I'm against it's going to happen.

[A]

But yeah, March of time, AI et cetera, Chinese robot wolves, it's all tied in.

[C]

Also, just the human element. I don't know, it plays part of the whole soap opera. Right. As we always point out, the goal is not to find out actually which city can create the best baseball team.

[A]

Temporarily rent the best players.

[C]

Yes, it's a TV show and what's the most exciting and the whole, you know, this umpire, you know, he's a favorable umpire for this pitcher and then they get into arguments and stuff. That's part of the and excitement of the game. That makes it a fun TV show, right? The drama, right?

[A]

Oh yeah, I think that's a great point.

[C]

The last time this picture in this umpire went nose to nose. So we'll see if that carries over into this game. Is part of the soap opera that makes me want to watch, right?

[A]

Oh, Jones wanted that pitch. You can see the old animosity flaring already. Jim. Nope, that's gone. It's like writing a soap opera where every character behaves perfectly rationally. Great. Enjoy it. Let's all get some popcorn and watch.

[C]

Or how about if you just. We'll just all craft robots that go out and with no people involved, robots will just play each other and they'll all be equally good and every call will be perfect and yippee.

[A]

You know, there's an upside. There are crappy calls that change games and change championships and nobody wants that either. But be careful what you lose when you're gaining a little more accurate.

[C]

It's been around for like 130 years or something. I wouldn't think you'd want to mess.

[A]

With it too much and make zillions and zillions of dollars. Correct.

[C]

Anyway, we do a lot of segments and hours of this every single day. If you miss any, you should subscribe to our podcast. Armstrong and Getty on Demand.

[A]

Good hour four coming up too. Lots of stuff to squeeze in.

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Well, to me, the most consequential thing that Kimmel said last night nobody else is playing. For some reason, you probably haven't even heard it. We'll have that now. 4.

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