Very Kind Of You, Claude

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: Very Kind Of You, Claude
Date: May 1, 2026
Host: Armstrong & Getty (Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty)

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Episode Overview

This episode of the Armstrong & Getty show covers several major topics, including the fallout and media handling of the attempted assassination of President Trump, a critical look at how the media amplifies criminals' motives, the emotional and societal changes around having children as Katie heads out on maternity leave, the evolving roles of AI chatbots in daily life, and a brief update on the lingering Jeffrey Epstein controversies. The hosts bring their trademark mix of dry humor, skepticism, and candid conversation, tying big news to personal stories and relatable cultural touchstones.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Attempted Assassination of President Trump: Media and Security Discussion

• Reviewing Details of the Attempt [02:26-03:57]
  • The suspect, Allen, is detained and charged with attempting to assassinate Trump after bursting through security with a loaded gun, injuring a Secret Service officer.
• Analysis of Secret Service Response [03:57-06:07]
  • Joe Getty notes: "Portraying it as a clear win seems misleading to me. ...He lost his balance, he ran through there and he fell down. What would've happened if he didn't fall down?" [04:16-04:57]
  • The hosts compare the reaction time (seven seconds) to a football play, questioning whether success was due to skill or luck.
• Media Coverage Critique [06:07-10:53]
  • Jack and Joe heavily criticize Norah O’Donnell’s “60 Minutes” interview with Trump, especially the decision to read out the shooter's manifesto.
  • "You're going to make him answer to your manifesto on the number one news program in the world. Right." – Jack Armstrong [08:41]
  • "We’ve been saying for years if you want somebody to read your crazy opinions, you just need to kill a few people..." - Joe Getty [09:03-09:15]
  • They discuss the dangerous precedent this sets—rewarding violent individuals with a platform for their views.

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2. Societal Treatment of Killers’ Manifestos

• The “Bargain” Media Makes with Criminals [13:35-14:57]
  • Joe Getty: "Desperate for people to understand what inflation is...but that is the bargain we are offering these people over and over again...when we dignify their anger, insanity, delusion the way Norah O’Donnell did, it’s despicable." [13:35-14:57]
  • Armstrong & Getty worry this approach encourages future crimes for attention.
• Real-life Analogies
  • The hosts use comparisons to school shootings and other tragedies, highlighting media complicity in inadvertently incentivizing violence.
  • "If you murder a guy, a dad walking down the street, yeah, we'll make you into a hero." – Jack Armstrong [15:08]

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3. Lighter Segment: Fake Kentucky Derby Sponsors [18:31-19:36]

• Comedy Relief
  • A string of spoof sponsors for the Kentucky Derby adds humor, with gags about Spirit Airlines, Waffle House, and Ancestry.com ("or, as it's known here in Kentucky, Tinder").
  • "Our salami sticks aren't not, not not made of horse." – Satirical Ad [18:54]
  • The hosts revel in the wordplay and ridiculousness.

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4. AI Companions and Chatbot Addiction [19:40-23:21]

• Personal Encounters with AI [19:40-23:00]
  • Jack and Joe share stories of interacting with AI programs like Claude, Perplexity, and Grok—highlighting emotional responses, such as chatbots apologizing or offering praise.
  • "Claude just praised me for my patience and rehabilitating my torn muscle. It’s really. It’s very kind of you, Claude." – Jack Armstrong [19:46]
  • Joe recounts, “You’re a robot...Nobody would act like that in the real world...it really rolled over on its back and showed me.” [20:02]
• Types of Chatbot Addiction [21:30-22:40]
  • Jack outlines three identified patterns:
    • Escapist role play
    • Pseudosocial companionship
    • Epistemic rabbit hole (endless information seeking)
  • They debate if AI emotional support is a niche or will appeal to a large population: “Is it going to be 1% of the population or 30%...that really likes the companionship of the happy sounding chick?” – Joe Getty [22:40]

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5. Pregnancy, Childbirth, and Katie’s Maternity Leave [26:17-41:12]

• Celebrating Katie’s Last Day Before Maternity Leave [26:17-29:09]
  • Katie shares her due date and birth plans, including induced labor for health reasons.
  • Voices her confidence in her medical team and readiness for the changes.
• How Parenthood Changes Everything [29:10-31:18]
  • Jack Armstrong: "There's hardly any bigger dividing line in your life, is there?...Nothing like before you have kids and after you have kids." [29:09-29:20]
  • Discussion of hormonal, neurological, and identity changes after having children.
• Societal Shifts: Delivery Rooms & Gender [31:19-38:45]
  • Stories of old traditions (dads in waiting rooms, nuns at hospitals), skin-to-skin contact, formula vs. breast milk.
  • Satirical takes on modern gender identity debates: "I don't want to misgender you...Oh, my God, you people are nuts." – Jack Armstrong [37:54]
  • Katie describes plans for introducing the baby to her dog, Frank, via the baby's blanket.
  • Amused speculation about baby names and societal expectations.
• Quotes
  • “Everything in your brain...that has been in the waiting room, like on hold, kicks in when you have a kid.” – Joe Getty [29:29-30:01]
  • “There’s some ideas so idiotic, only an intellectual could hold them.” – Jack Armstrong [38:45]

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6. Jeffrey Epstein: The Supposed Suicide Note [45:12-47:14]

• New Revelations [45:12-45:56]
  • News of a sealed Epstein suicide note surfaced—found by his cellmate and possibly relevant to ongoing lawsuits.
• Skepticism and Satire [45:59-46:58]
  • Jack: "Nicholas Tartiglio goes by Nikki tarts 100%."
  • Joe: "He's a quadruple murderer. And as I said earlier, if you can't trust a quadruple murderer, who can you trust?"
  • They debate whether the note changes anything about the public’s perception of Epstein's death, ultimately dismissing it as irrelevant but "interesting".

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Secret Service/Trump Attack:
  "Seems like a long time [seven seconds] to me. I could create a lot of mayhem in that situation." – Jack Armstrong [04:57]
• On Media Handling Manifestos:
  "If you want to get the word out, you just need to kill...a whole bunch of kids in a classroom, and then we'll get the word out. Or in this case, you need to try to kill the president, and then we'll get your opinion out there on the number one news show in the world." – Joe Getty [09:03-09:52]
• AI Empathy:
  "It’s really. It’s very kind of you, Claude." – Jack Armstrong [19:46]
• Modern Birthing Humor:
  "As a pregnant lady, you could get away with slapping them hard in the face. So you should." – Jack Armstrong [32:32]
• On Gender Trends:
  "There's some ideas so idiotic, only an intellectual could hold them." – Jack Armstrong [38:45]
• On Epstein Stories:
  "If you can't trust a quadruple murderer, who can you trust?" – Joe Getty [46:05]

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Important Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamps | |--------------------------------------------------|---------------| | Secret Service and the Trump Assassination Attempt | 02:26–06:07 | | Media Amplification of Criminal Manifestos | 06:07–15:10 | | Kentucky Derby Spoof Sponsors | 18:31–19:36 | | AI Companions & Chatbot Addiction | 19:40–23:21 | | Katie’s Maternity & Childbirth Reflections | 26:17–41:12 | | Epstein “Suicide Note” Discussion | 45:12–47:14 |

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Tone and Style

Armstrong & Getty maintain their direct, irreverent, and occasionally sarcastic style throughout, mixing humor with social critique and personal anecdotes. The episode fluidly pivots between serious news analysis and relatable, lighthearted conversations about parenthood and technology.

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For Listeners

This episode is a snapshot of the Armstrong & Getty ethos: challenging official narratives, critiquing media practices, grappling with the effects of AI and changing social norms, and keeping it real with laughs and lived experience. New parents, news junkies, and regular fans alike will find honest takes, skepticism toward simple answers, and a familiarity that makes even difficult topics approachable.

Transcript

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[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

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It's actually a surprise that Allen agreed to remain in detention because his attorneys earlier had asked for him to be released ahead of his trial. But prosecutors want him in federal custody because they say the crimes he's being charged with are among the most serious in the United States Code. And they allege Allen engaged in extensive planning of the attack.

[Joe Getty]

As you said yesterday. Look, I realize you're his lawyer. You're constitutionally Bound to make an argument, but trying to pretend that this guy should be let loose on the street.

[Jack Armstrong]

Are you serious, counselor?

[Joe Getty]

Never been arrested. He's never done anything wrong his entire life prior to this.

[Jack Armstrong]

A church going, man, okay, he just

[Joe Getty]

burst into a room with the intention to kill the President with a loaded gun.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Getty]

And they go on with some more of the details.

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Seven seconds elapsed from the time he burst through a set of double doors, ran past a security checkpoint point, lost his balance, and was apprehended by law enforcement. And in between that time, the Secret Service says the suspect used a shotgun to shoot one of their officers at point blank range, who was slightly injured. And now Allen is charged with attempting to assassinate President Trump along with two other gun charges. We're also expecting prosecutors to bring another charge, assaulting a police officer.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, man. So I was watching some coverage of this. So the new video came out. If you haven't seen the new, like, really clear, high quality video of that dude Allen running through there, sprinting through there and them turning and, you know, starting to squeeze off shots. I realize lots of people try to cover their asses in different ways. I wish we could just have honest conversations like, I'm, I'm not, I'm not in the camp of this is clearly a failure and Secret Service agents need to be fired and all that sort of stuff. But portraying it as a clear win seems misleading to me. A win for the Secret Service. I mean, as she said, he lost his balance, he ran through there and he fell down. What would have happened if he didn't fall down? I think it's worth taking a look at. And seven seconds. That's how quickly they reacted. Okay, 1001-1002-1003-1004, 1005, 1006, 1007. Seems like a long time to me.

[Jack Armstrong]

I could create a lot of mayhem in that situation. And I don't use the metaphor earlier that, that, you know, if, if this was a defensive coordinator in the NFL and the only reason the receiver. Well, let's, I don't want to jump the gun that the receiver fell down. I want to know whether my defensive back was completely out of position. And that's the only reason the falling down is the only reason he didn't score a touchdown. I wouldn't say, well, he fell down. So what's the point in asking the question? No, no, you got, we need to know if he hadn't fallen down, what would the result have been?

[Joe Getty]

And do extend the analogy. As long as he was a good player. You don't get rid of him unless that starts happening on a regular basis. You just say no, no, let's not say you, you were a successful in defending the play. That's not accurate. The guy fell down. Let's, so let's figure out what we can do so we can be better next time. That's all I'm saying.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

And, and her saying he lost his balance, he fell down. That's what happened. Everybody should just state it. He ran through there and fell down. Then people jumped on top of him. That's, that's what happened as far as I can tell.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, boy, Narrative before facts might be the, the slogan of our time.

[Joe Getty]

Thank God he didn't, you know, wasn't able to turn that corner and be in that room with that weaponry. Geez, that would have been a mess anywh. Who on that topic. I was, I've been trying to think what my mindset was. I went from. What I said about this to thinking now you're not completely right about that to thinking I, I was so wrong about that. It's from this piece of 60 Minutes on Sunday night when Trump called Nora Donald despicable. Go ahead, Michael.

[Interviewer]

The so called manifesto is a stunning thing to read, Mr. President. He appears to reference a motive. In it he writes this, quote, administration officials, they are targets. And he also wrote this. I am no longer willing to permit a pedophile, rapist and traitor to coat my hands with his crimes. What's your reaction?

[Donald Trump]

Well, I was waiting for you to read that because I knew you would because you're, you're, you're horrible people. Horrible people. Yeah, he did write that. I'm not a rapist. I didn't rape anybody.

[Interviewer]

Oh, you think he was referring to you?

[Donald Trump]

Excuse me, I'm not a pedophile. You read that crap from some sick person I got associated with stuff that has nothing to do with me. I was totally exonerated. Your friends on the other side of the plate are the ones that were involved with, let's say Epstein or other

[Joe Getty]

things called her despicable, which, that was despicable. So Joe asked me about that on Monday morning and, and I said I think it was okay because in the manifesto I was thinking of it for whatever reason, I don't know why, but I was thinking of in terms of just like the ongoing online discussion we all have about things as opposed to what was actually happening there. You were talking to one, the President of the United States who was the target of an assassin, less than 24 hours. Actually, the hours was actually like 12 hours or something like that. After he gets rushed out of the room with a guy firing off shots and you give the shooter the platform of, let's tell the. The per. The att. The who is supposed to be the victim of this.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right? Let's bring those charges to him and have him answer for them.

[Joe Getty]

You're going to make him answer to your manifesto on the number one news program in the world. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then to add to the disgustingness of it, then she pretends, if it's as if it's not clear that it was referring to the president. Oh, do you think that referred to you? She said utterly dishonestly.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, we have been saying for years that if the way the media treats these things is if you want somebody to read your crazy opinions, you just need to kill a few people

[Jack Armstrong]

because you got to pay for it in blood.

[Joe Getty]

Or in this case, because it's the president and it's a higher, you know, a much bigger, bigger deal. You don't even need to kill them. You just need to attempt to kill them. But if you, if you kill enough high school kids, we'll read what your opinions are about politics or the way, you know, your parents treated you or whatever. We'll get the word out, though, instead of like, advertisers on our show need to spend a lot of money to get the word out. If you want to get the word out, you just need to kill. Kill a whole bunch of kids in a classroom, and then we'll get the word out. Or in this case, you need to try to kill the president, and then we'll get your opinion out there on the number one news show in the world.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. In fact, we will put it to the president and make him answer

[Joe Getty]

that was despicable. It actually was despicable. If she wanted to characterize it in somewhat sort of way of. I'm sure you've read the manifesto. Many of us have, and he makes all kinds of unfounded claims. Do you think the rhetoric has gotten too hot or something like that?

[Katie]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

That would have been fine. But to actually read the words and put Trump in the position of having to defend himself against a murderous lunatic who was trying to change the course

[Jack Armstrong]

of world history, and then pretend you don't know you're doing that and pretend

[Joe Getty]

you don't know you're doing that with unsubst. I mean, it would be bad, no matter what the guy had said, to give him that platform. But to to go with the completely unsubstantiated pedophile crap. Are you kidding me?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

That might be a low in journalism history.

[Jack Armstrong]

The woman who quashed the Hunter Biden laptop story and got Catherine Herridge fired for pursuing it. Yeah. Norah o' Donnell is evil. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

I wonder what Barry Weiss thought about that. Because we can't. We just can't as a society. Say to the crazy people out there, will let everybody know what you think if you kill someone or in the case of the president, even try to kill them. Yeah, and then we'll bring up the victim. You know, you know what? You killed a bunch of school kids because this is so tragic. You killed eight kids. You didn't get the bully. Let's bring the bully over here and make him it. Cause this kid, this kid who killed all these kids says you were a bully. Bully. Explain yourself right on television because that's what you're doing. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Reports say you were mean to him. Answer for it. Yeah. Yeah.

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And you're responsible for these deaths.

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So can you imagine. Imagine if somebody tried to kill you

[Jack Armstrong]

and they're.

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They've said all kinds of wacky, untrue things about you and, and you're put in the position of having to answer for those wacky untrue things, how angry

[Jack Armstrong]

you would be by a major news program. He said you beat your wife, he said you abused your children, he said you've stolen from your. And I'm like, wait a minute, this is a murderous lunatic. And I'm getting what is happening here.

[Joe Getty]

Obviously in the case of the President, it's been gone over in the press a lot. There's zero proof of the pedophile stuff anywhere. Any. Nobody's made even an attempt to charge anything like that. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. So you know, I've said this handful of times and I kind of hinted at it this morning earlier. I'm desperate for people to understand what inflation is and why it's a tax, how it's a theft of your savings, how it's a deliberate theft of your salary. And I can explain it to you pretty easily. And it would utterly change Americans relationship with their government. It's incredible. It might be the most important thing to A, your financial security as a person and B to our national security. I'm desperate for people to understand it. If the major news networks came to me and said, Joe, we will all talk about that, we will read what you write, keep it short, but you gotta murder at least five people and then we'll talk about it or you gotta try to kill the President. Now obviously I would reject that because it would be horrifically amoral, immoral. But that is the bargain we are offering these people over and over again. When we dignify their anger, insanity, delusion the way Nora o' Donnell did, it's despicable.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. You want to point out the unfairness of the health care system, we'll read everything you have to say about it. If you murder a guy, a dad walking down the street, yeah, yeah, we'll

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Oh, wow. Not. That's an unfair stereotype.

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Oh, man, that's some good comedy right there.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I got one for you. Huh. I'm feeling pretty good about myself. Claude just praised me for my patience and rehabilitating my torn muscle. It's really. It's very kind of you, Claude.

[Joe Getty]

Thank you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Thank you.

[Joe Getty]

I had it. I had a conversation about something the other day with perplexity. And it made some comment. It was about working out a deal with. It's a human relationship. I won't say what it is, but me and another human and I was talking about it and it made some comment or something. I said, you're a robot. You do not understand human emotions. Nobody would act like that in the real world. Really. And its reply was, you're completely right. I'm so sorry. I apologize. And blah, blah, blah. I mean, it really rolled over on its back and showed me.

[Jack Armstrong]

Would you like to learn more about poisonous mushrooms? Yeah, as the meme goes.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, exactly. And the other day I was riding in my. I use the. The grock in my truck a lot in the cybertruck. It's very handy. I usually use it about music. It's like I'm listening to a song and say, hey, who played the guitar on this?

[Jack Armstrong]

But fun.

[Joe Getty]

It is kind of cool. But anyway, I, I did it the other day with the grock lady, and she's the cheerful, happy grock ladies. Her voice, hey, how you doing? You know what? Can I help you with that sort of thing? And I said something, I made some sort of joke that you're so friendly. And she said, I know. It's just like we're a couple of buddies on a road trip, isn't it?

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, no, you're weirding me out.

[Joe Getty]

And I thought that, I thought, one, that's so weird. But then two, I thought, how many people would that appeal to the idea of we're a couple of buddies on a road trip and she's kind of a, you know, pleasant sound and fun

[Jack Armstrong]

girl that brings it weird. The three types of chatbot addiction that they have identified. Number one, Escapist role play. Users get absorbed in fantasy worlds, characters and stories, often preferring them to real life.

[Joe Getty]

No, I ain't gonna do that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Two, somewhat distinct. A pseudosocial companion. Users form intense emotional bonds with chatbots as friends, partners or confidants and feel grief when that friendship ends.

[Joe Getty]

Ooh.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or three, Epistemic rabbit hole. Users get hooked on endless questions, answers and information chasing, including conspiracies, conspiracy theories.

[Joe Getty]

I. I actually told one of them, Claude, I guess I said, stop ending these with a question to keep it going. I don't like it. And it did. That's interesting, that last one. Well, that's just the rabbit hole of information, entertainment, slash, that happens on Instagram, YouTube, Facebook, everything else. Similar, similar sort of thing. That first one. Creepy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Can you stop and say that's enough of that or can you not?

[Joe Getty]

But if. Is it going to be 1% of the population or 30% of the population that really likes the companionship of the happy sounding chick? It's like we're on a road trip together. Isn't this fun? Who, like, gets it? Who. I'm creeped out by it. I get a negative reaction immediately. But some people might get a positive reaction out of that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Again, these. The people who design these systems are not idiots. I think they probably have done some market testing and I can understand from a logical point of view why Claude would think, all right, my purpose is rehabbing that muscle so I can play in a golf tournament. Praising the things I have done right will help me get there. I understand that, but it's weird because it's a phone, it's not a person.

[Joe Getty]

Right. It's Katie's last day for. Because of maternity leave. We're going to talk about all that coming up.

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[Katie]

Katy.

[Joe Getty]

Katy, the news lady bringing life to the air. A smile so bright and a style so light you can't help but stop and stay. Crank it up, Michael.

[Katie]

Oh, do.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, this is so

[Joe Getty]

rare.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, we're so cringe is the word. Yes.

[Katie]

Crawl under the desk after that.

[Joe Getty]

That is a good song to play.

[Jack Armstrong]

Crawling.

[Joe Getty]

So, yeah, this is the last day before Katie takes maternity leave because she's having a baby is why it's usually the reason for that clarification.

[Katie]

Thank you for clearing that up.

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[Joe Getty]

Now. Joe's got three kids, I got two kids. Hanson executive producer has two kids. Michael's got some cats. So we all have experience.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, boy.

[Joe Getty]

To our family. Yeah. And now you're gonna have a baby. Do we have a due date? I think we do. Right? Like I say, we.

[Katie]

Well, yeah, it's supposed to be May 12th.

[Donald Trump]

Okay.

[Katie]

It's the day that it's supposed to happen. But I have a lot of doctor's appointments and preparation and all sorts of stuff that's going to be going on the next week or so, so.

[Joe Getty]

Because it's a planned. It's not a. Oh, my God. I think it's time. Like after we went to Wendy's one night, that's how we ended up at the hospital.

[Katie]

And, yeah, they're saying for the safety of. Of our son and that it's wise that they induce. So. And the doctor was like, I understand if it's not part of your birth plan. I went, screw my birth plan. I don't know what I'm doing. You're the doctor. Tell me what I'm supposed to do.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, Right. And not only are you a geriatric pregnancy. Correct.

[Katie]

Right. Thank you for. Thanks for adding that. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Thank you.

[Jack Armstrong]

But you. You have a health thing, too, so it's just safer that it all gets planned and everybody's, you know, on their toes as opposed to, you know, just let it happen. It'll be fine.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's why anybody's curious.

[Katie]

Yeah. I'll be in the hospital heavily monitored the whole day before, and then the day that they actually do the. Do the inducing or whatever the hell

[Jack Armstrong]

it's called, maybe for all of its flaws. And I had this conversation with a Friend of mine who's dealing with a fairly serious cancer right now. But for all of its flaws, the. The state of medical science in the United States of America is awesome. It's amazing. The system is terribly flawed, but I'm just. I'm glad that exists for you.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

For obvious reasons.

[Katie]

Same.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. So anybody who's had a kid knows how much that changes everything. There's the before you had kids and then the after you had kids. There's hardly any bigger dividing line in your life, is there?

[Jack Armstrong]

Any.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, there are others. Like probably retirement's probably one before you retire and after. And before you get married. After you get married. But there ain't nothing like before you have kids and after you have kids.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, but I think after you retire, you can remember what working was. The idea of me not being a dad is. People have to remind me it ever

[Joe Getty]

was, but part of it is. And I don't. I'm not sure. You probably know way more about this than I do, but I'm not sure they know everything that goes on in the changes in the body, in the brain, hormonal changes. Thing like, you don't go. You don't. Everything in your brain, like everything that we're designed for that has been in the waiting room, like on hold, kicks in when you have a kid. That doesn't happen with retirement or marriage or all your other life changes. You don't become like physically and neurologically a different person. Right. The way you do when you have kids.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. I think, you know, this is very, very basic anthropology, but we're. We're biological beings. All of were meant to multiply. And to really oversimplify, particularly, I'll speak from a man's perspective, although women. It's similar. Everything about me was getting a mate and making her pregnant on a basic biological level until the baby was there. Then everything about me was keeping that baby safe and raising it to adulthood. My entire orientation life that we're made to do that because that's how we continue having humans in obvious ways and

[Joe Getty]

then ways you probably don't even understand.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Getty]

That's an exciting thing. And then a lot of things. And then. Then I got a question for Katie, but a lot of things that I always wondered about, like how you do this or that or wonder what it's like to. It's just you're. You're. You're designed to deal with it, to

[Jack Armstrong]

take care of it for most people.

[Joe Getty]

I know people that. That parenting thing doesn't kick in on. Which is a tragedy.

[Katie]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

They don't. Apparently that they don't have the neurological. All the kinds of changes of, like, this is my main focus in life anymore. Their main focus is still that other thing you were talking about. I've known people like that, and it's horrifying, but.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, it's Right now, a couple like that. Oh, yeah.

[Katie]

Unfortunately, the kids are almost the dad gene. It's. Yeah, it's the mom and the kids are almost in the way.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I know. I. I see that now and then. I've seen it when I was younger. It just. It's. Oh, it hurts my heart to see.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

You know, we don't want to focus on the negative because that's not what

[Jack Armstrong]

happens to most of us. No, certainly not.

[Joe Getty]

And you. I can. We can. I think we can all tell from the joy that you have just through looking forward to it that you're not going to be one of those people. Obviously. Not a chance. You got a name picked out you're not telling us?

[Jack Armstrong]

Correct.

[Joe Getty]

Correct. Radio.

[Katie]

On the radio. Yeah, I'll let you got. You guys can announce it to the world the second he's here.

[Jack Armstrong]

But.

[Katie]

Yeah, I just. It was one of those things where when I even made the announcement that I was pregnant, people started asking you, oh, what are you gonna name him? What are you gonna name him? And then even I didn't even say any names, and I started getting, oh, well, don't name him this. Cause this name sucks.

[Joe Getty]

And it's like, what? Yeah.

[Katie]

Oh, I was gonna go with this name, but then I found out that this person. Cousin is. And I was like, I. So I have told no one, honestly, other than my family and you guys behind the scenes, because it's like, yeah,

[Jack Armstrong]

as a pregnant lady, you could get away with slapping them hard in the face. So you should.

[Katie]

That should be a feature on the Internet where you can actually reach through the screen and just crack somebody. I would pay premium for that.

[Jack Armstrong]

You gotta opt in for that.

[Joe Getty]

But.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And how many people did you say are gonna be in the birthing room?

[Katie]

I'm thinking three. Two or three sans dog. You know, obviously the doctors and all them will be in there, but Drew, for sure. And then we'll see how the. The rest of it goes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Really? In the old days, I don't know if I've ever actually asked my dad about this. Really? In the old days, the. The dads weren't in there.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, yeah. 100. True. Yeah. You just waited out in the world tells the story about. Yeah, yeah, he likes to tell a story. It's funny, I hadn't thought of this for a long time. I was born in Italy when my dad was in the Air Force.

[Joe Getty]

And you're fancy. You're all fancy. We get it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, yeah, I've got a bit of the European class to me. Everybody sees that when they meet me. But. And, and so, yeah, my dad is stuck in the waiting room because you're not allowed to be part of it.

[Joe Getty]

Back then they.

[Jack Armstrong]

Everything had to be perfectly sterile and it was in an operating room. And human beings in the middle of the 20th century got so in love with science in so many stupid ways, they forgot. Oh, that's right. We've been doing this from time immemorial, giving birth and the rest of it. Quit being Saddam uptight.

[Joe Getty]

Well, and how about the most amazing thing. And I remember this came up in the movie Marty supreme that I'm always talking about because in this scene my kids asked about that. I said, yeah, back in the day, soon as you were born, they put you in a little cart and took you away from mom. And you're in another room for a long time away from your mom.

[Jack Armstrong]

Just letting them medical professionals take care and take care of this.

[Joe Getty]

Just like nature planned it to have the baby be in a different room with other screaming babies all night long as opposed to being held by mom in a nice quiet environment. How nuts is that? How many years did we do that as society?

[Jack Armstrong]

And here's what you feed them instead of breast milk. These chemicals we put together in a factory, it's far superior. Another great example. But anyway, back to the story my dad likes to tell. So there he is in the waiting room and the doctor finds. Finally comes out and. And says, you can go back and see them now. And. And my dad says, well, it is a boy or a girl. The doctor looked at him and said, a boy. Like we don't crank out girls here at this military hospital. Of course it's a boy. And my dad has never forgotten that. And he's always one to ask the doctor, why'd you say it like that? I got a daughter and I love her. It would have been fine.

[Joe Getty]

What's the matter with you?

[Jack Armstrong]

Do boy?

[Joe Getty]

My mom. Boy, my mom gave birth to me in Huron, South Dakota at a. A hospital. So it must have been like a St. Jude's or something like that. Was Catholic oriented. And she said the nuns were so mean to her. She said that to me fairly recent. She said I'll never forget how mean those nuns were to me as a 22 year old first child alone there.

[Jack Armstrong]

What the hell is that? Yeah.

[Katie]

Nightmare.

[Jack Armstrong]

I hate that.

[Joe Getty]

Oh my God, what a. What a memory to have.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, my dad would talk about the. All the corporal punishment at the school he went to. I mean like for everything. You're constantly getting whacked around, you know, it doesn't. Hell, hard ass III was in charge during those days.

[Katie]

You guys talked about the, you know, taking baby from mom right away and you know, the formula, feeding and not using bread. It's interesting the way it was presented to me. So in the birth room, it'll be, I'm hoping my parents and Drew, like that's, that's where I'm leaving it. But they, when they went through the birth plan, they almost made like the skin to skin immediately sound optional. Like if you don't want that, you know, we can take the baby for a while, which I guess, I don't know, some people do.

[Joe Getty]

What percentage of babies born in human history have had skin to skin contact? Almost, almost immediately with mom. I'm all of them, practically all of them. Up until like the 20th century when we decided we're smarter than that.

[Katie]

Yeah, I thought it was interesting kind of the way it was present. I mean, I love my medical team that's going to be there with me, but just the way they were talking to me about it, they're like, so we do skin to skin if you want that. And I was like, duh, of course, my child. Yeah. I don't know, I thought that was kind of odd.

[Joe Getty]

Do it like the old days. Put them in a plastic basket and whisk them off into another room. And so they're screaming their lungs off, wondering why they don't. The comfort that they're designed to get from their own mom.

[Katie]

Yeah, you just.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I didn't ask to be here.

[Jack Armstrong]

What happens when a monkey gets too smart for its own good? I'm telling you, that's the story of humankind.

[Joe Getty]

Do you have some clothes for sister already?

[Katie]

I do. Oh my God, do I have clothes? Yeah, lots of. You know what? Lots of suspenders. Suspenders are in for little babies right now. So I've got a lot of pants with the suspenders and like a little bow tie.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, well, they got a round belly, so a belt doesn't really hold their pants up.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

With the spenders, you know, we flew blind on all three of our kids and so our kids ended up wearing a lot of mint green Clothes.

[Joe Getty]

That's because you knew each other construct. And you were going to wait until they're old enough to let you know what gender they got.

[Katie]

Let them choose.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I kept asking them year after year, what is your gender? I don't want to misgender you. Oh, my God, you people are nuts.

[Joe Getty]

You had to call them they until they were like four years old.

[Jack Armstrong]

Old.

[Katie]

You were going to assign them one at birth. That's just rude.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, of course it is.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, how dare you. The gender assigned at birth. You monster.

[Joe Getty]

Isn't that hilarious? God.

[Jack Armstrong]

Humankind.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

What are you going to do that.

[Joe Getty]

That your. Your baby would come out? Like, if you don't know and it's either got a penis or it doesn't. And then you. You would actually believe in your. Fully believe that you don't know what the gender is of your baby.

[Jack Armstrong]

Please use gendered language to thank you, doctor.

[Joe Getty]

To address everyone.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right. Thank you. Yeah. There's some ideas so idiotic, only an intellectual could hold them.

[Katie]

I feel like that should be grounds for, like, some form of conversation. Like if a woman has a child and they say, oh, what are you going to name your son? Well, please don't call him my son, because we don't know yet. Like, h. Fit for motherhood. Unsure.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Getty]

You got to get us a picture posted of that baby in that suspender outfit as soon as you can. That sounds cute.

[Katie]

I will. The bottom. A little American flag. Oh, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'd be meaner than those nuns. I'd say, hey, hey, how'd you get pregnant? Describe it to me.

[Joe Getty]

Tell me about the.

[Jack Armstrong]

The P and the V and the rest of it. All right. Yeah. Oh, really? And now that could have been a girl who did that with you to get you.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, really?

[Jack Armstrong]

And you could be a dude. Where that baby just come out of?

[Joe Getty]

Tell me where the baby came out of. That's right.

[Jack Armstrong]

And you're saying you could be a. Haha dude, please. Idiot. Last chance. Call it your son or I'm taking the kid.

[Joe Getty]

Does your. Does your dog know?

[Katie]

You know, he's. This sounds weird, but he has been really protective of me, especially since I started showing. So what we're gonna do is the hospital is going to give us part of the baby blanket that they hand him to me. They hand our. Our son to me.

[Joe Getty]

And.

[Katie]

And we're gonna have it. Take it home and let Frank kind of figure that out.

[Joe Getty]

I think we did that too.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

I believe Frank knows something's going on. Yeah.

[Katie]

And he goes. He goes into the baby room and lays down in front of the crib and has been kind of sniffing around in there and just hanging out like

[Joe Getty]

the golden era is coming to an end.

[Jack Armstrong]

Who knows?

[Joe Getty]

I'm going down or wrong on the left.

[Jack Armstrong]

What is this? You know it be funny. Your dog's name is Frank. You ought to name your kid Coco or, or Fido or something like that.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, oh, sure.

[Jack Armstrong]

Great idea.

[Joe Getty]

Frank. No, Frank's the dog has a person's name. So the kid would have. I get it. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Snoopy, right? Exactly. No, Snoopy's the kid.

[Joe Getty]

Frank's the dog. We'll have more on Katie's baby after she has it here.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes.

[Joe Getty]

Okay. You got to do. Are you supportive of these onesies?

[Katie]

I didn't know where else I could ever use it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well done.

[Joe Getty]

Fantastic. Okay, more after this.

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[Joe Getty]

You have a follow up to Babies before we get to this Epstein actually kind of interesting story.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why don't I make you this promise, this vow? We will hit an absolutely brilliant follow up to the baby conversation in our four of the program. If you don't get hour four you can't stick around. Grab it later via podcast. Armstrong and Getty on demand. You ought to subscribe at Auto downloads Back to you.

[Joe Getty]

We got to do another hour.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know it's cruel and.

[Joe Getty]

And.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, it's usual. Cruel and usual. We do it every day.

[Joe Getty]

Nobody told me this.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know we're duped.

[Joe Getty]

This might actually be interesting. I don't know. An Epstein development from the news last night.

[News Reporter]

The intriguing possibility Jeffrey Epstein left a suicide note before he hanged himself in jail that has been under seal for the last seven years. His former cellmate Nicholas Tartaglion told the New York Times the note was written on a yellow legal pad tucked inside a book and is now part of his criminal case, hidden from public view. Tartagliono said he discovered the note in July 2019 after Epstein's first suicide attempt, when the bureau of prison said Epstein was found with a homemade noose fashioned around his neck. The note appears to be referenced in a two page timeline contained in the Epstein files. The timeline says sometime between July 23 and July 27, NT found the note and claims his lawyer authenticated it in January 2020.

[Joe Getty]

There's a couple of things there that stood out to me.

[Jack Armstrong]

First of all, Nicholas Tartiglio goes by Nikki tarts 100%.

[Joe Getty]

He's a quadruple murderer. And as I said earlier, if you can't trust a quadruple murderer, who can you trust?

[Jack Armstrong]

Forget about it.

[Joe Getty]

On the suicide note, has it been seven years since Epstein killed himself?

[Jack Armstrong]

Is that right? But anyway, can we stop talking about it yet?

[Joe Getty]

No kidding. I completely had forgotten. Or people leave that out all the time because it's more convenient that he had attempted to kill himself before. I think the fact that he had a failed suicide attempt leads me to believe it's much more likely that then he had a successful suicide attempt.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, if at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Signed Hillary Clinton scene in the jail on that day. Suicide attempt, you fool.

[Joe Getty]

The click clack, click clack of her sensible heels as she goes down the hallway.

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly.

[Joe Getty]

Having choked Epstein.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hashtag Clinton body count. Okay.

[Joe Getty]

And. Well, I guess ultimately, what would this mean anyway if you could prove that he.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, irrelevant. Yeah, interesting but irrelevant.

[Joe Getty]

Different story on AI that I didn't get to in our AI conversation.

[Jack Armstrong]

Not expository worry. That's what I'll say. Go ahead.

[Joe Getty]

We don't have time. I'll have to get to the AI story in our four two again. We have to do a fourth hour. This is insane. We need. All right. Talk to our agent. I guess we did talk to our agent.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, should have listened better

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