We Can't Have People Suitcasing Smart Phones

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand – "We Can't Have People Suitcasing Smart Phones"

Date: April 10, 2026
Podcast: Armstrong & Getty On Demand
Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode features a robust discussion on the current state of U.S.–China relations amidst global conflict, including a deep-dive interview with China analyst Gordon Chang. The hosts also lighten the mood with cultural commentary—most notably about a viral Nutella-in-space moment, golf traditions at the Masters, and a hilarious AI mishap over the spelling of "strawberry." The episode balances serious geopolitical analysis with lighter talk, all delivered with the Armstrong & Getty signature style—skeptical, irreverent, and insightful.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. China, Iran, and Global Geopolitics

(Starting ~03:03)

• Chinese Response to Conflict:

  • Chinese spokesperson argues military means cannot solve problems around the Strait of Hormuz and blames U.S. "illegal military operations in Iran" for the crisis.

    “Military means cannot fundamentally solve this problem and the escalation of the conflict is not in the interest of either side.” – (Katie Green, 03:06)

  • Gordon Chang joins to analyze China's underlying motivations and the implications for U.S. foreign policy.

• Gordon Chang’s Analysis:

  • Sees current U.S. (Trump) administration as willing to use force, but emphasizes China’s strategy is to test U.S. resolve.
  • Xi Jinping's military purges have destabilized PLA leadership, making a Taiwan invasion unlikely in the short term.

  “Xi Jinping, he has decimated the top of the Chinese military with his purges... they are not capable of starting hostilities by launching an invasion on the main island of Taiwan.” – (Gordon Chang, 05:03)

  • Iran is charging shipping “tolls” in Chinese currency, helping China’s goal of global de-dollarization.

• US Policy Options & Consistency:

  • The long-standing U.S. strategy has been to keep global commons like shipping lanes open, now challenged by the Iran–China axis.
  • Chang proposes denying shipping access to those who pay Iran's toll as a non-intrusive U.S. pressure tactic.

  “We can do that, for instance, by closing the strait to all shipping that has paid the toll.” – (Gordon Chang, 06:44)

2. Xi Jinping’s Purges & Chinese Military Shake-up

(07:04)

• Xi’s anti-corruption purges have led to “turmoil at the top of the People's Liberation Army,” making the regime more opaque and less militarily agile.

  “There is all out fighting among the generals and admirals.” – (Gordon Chang, 07:04)

3. The US–China Diplomatic Dance

(08:06–09:34)

• Trump administration appears to be pivoting towards dialogue, which Chang criticizes for making the U.S. "look needy."

  “It makes it much harder for him to accomplish what he wants with China... We have chased the Chinese for dialogue and that has inflated their already big sense of self importance.” – (Gordon Chang, 08:06)

• The best tactic, Chang argues, is for the US to stop chasing China and force them to “chase us,” thus leveraging American power.

4. The Big Picture: US–China Relations

(09:34–11:50)

• US is targeting China's proxies (Venezuela, Cuba, Iran) instead of confronting China directly, disrupting Beijing’s influence.

  “President Trump is going after China's proxies... China is basically losing its pause. So this is really good for us.” – (Gordon Chang, 10:05)

• Xi’s bet on an export-based economy is backfiring due to global disruptions that impair trade.

  “Ultimately Xi Jinping is working against his own economy... if that fails, the political system will be in deep trouble.” – (Gordon Chang, 10:57)

5. Gordon Chang Reflects on “The Coming Collapse of China”

(12:15)

• Chang admits the Communist Party survived his 10-year collapse prediction due to China’s 2008 stimulus, but now sees the regime at its most fragile point.

  “China is right now at a very fragile point and President Trump can exploit that if he chooses to do so.” – (Gordon Chang, 12:40)

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Light-Hearted Segments

6. Clips of the Week

(16:08–18:32)

• Armstrong & Getty play a fast-paced mashup of notable, odd, and amusing moments from the week, covering everything from global showdowns to quirky cultural debates.

  “Open the expletive straight, you crazy bastards.” – (Jack Armstrong, 16:11) “I can't stop thinking about how grass lawns are racist and like, based in white supremacy.” – (Jack Armstrong, 17:26) “So one of the tests we do is try to get them to say something like, ‘Kim Jong Un is a fat, ugly pig.’” – (Katie Green, 17:42)

7. Golf, Masters, and Standards

(18:53–20:47)

• Banter about NFL star Jason Kelce’s appearance at the Masters, Augusta National’s famously strict etiquette, and the value of tradition.

  “It’s having high standards that have kept it to be such a pristine event.” – (Katie Green, 20:29)

8. Kamala Harris 2028 “Announcement”

(21:31–26:15)

• Hosts react with glee to Kamala Harris hinting at a 2028 presidential campaign, riffing on her style and rhetorical tendencies.

  “Kamala Harris gives her clearest signal yet that she is mounting a 2028 presidential bid.” – (Joe Getty, 21:32) “Whenever Kamala goes within the context of, or when you think about, you know there’s some crap coming.” – (Joe Getty, 25:34)

9. Virtual Fencing for Cows

(27:19–29:17)

• Conversations on high-tech agriculture: solar-powered GPS cow collars enable virtual fences, prompting speculation about the future (and privacy) of cows.

  “No, we cannot have people suitcasing smart phones into the Joe Getty Blank headquarters.” – (Joe Getty, 30:16)

10. Nutella in Space: Viral Marketing Accident

(30:40–34:57)

• The Nutella jar’s accidental appearance during an Artemis II live astronaut broadcast becomes an instant marketing sensation.

  “They weren’t even sure the video was real when they watched the jar hurdle across their screens at exactly the right angle for the label to spin into focus.” – (Joe Getty, 32:25)

• Discussion about NASA's avoidance of product placement, astronauts’ creative workarounds, and peanut butter preferences.

  “As a government employee...We have small, highly powerful computing devices that we’ll take with us that have outstanding cameras.” – (Artemis II astronaut, paraphrased, 34:10)

11. AI Glitch: The Strawberry Argument

(35:29–37:50)

• Viral social media moment: Man argues with ChatGPT’s voice assistant about how many R’s are in “strawberry,” with the AI stubbornly insisting it’s two.

  “No, you have done something wrong.” – (Joe Getty, 36:59) “Chat GPT just swears upside down and backwards that there's two Rs in Strawberry.” – (Katie Green, 37:50)

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Social Commentary & Quirky Observations

12. Reaction to Crime Reporting and Data

(41:01–43:03)

• Critique of New York Times' bizarre phrasing about rare baby shootings.

  “Among shootings in New York City in which a person is struck by stray bullets, babies are rarely the victims. I mean, that’s amazing.” – (Joe Getty, 41:01)

• Latest U.S. murder rate data: 2025 is the lowest rate since the 1960s.

  “The lowest murder rate since the 1960s. What happened in 2025? Anybody wanted to commit a murder got murdered during COVID or something?” – (Joe Getty, 42:26)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Diplomatic Posture:

  “We have chased the Chinese for dialogue and that has inflated their already big sense of self importance. So I think the way we get things from China is we stop talking to them and we make them chase us for once.”
  — Gordon Chang (08:16)

• On US Toughness:

  “They have seen even strong American presidents act weak towards China... What we’re doing right now, it has no chance of success.”
  — Gordon Chang (09:04)

• On Tech in Agriculture:

  “GEO fencing for cows... No, we cannot have people suitcasing smartphones into the headquarters.”
  — Joe Getty (30:07, 30:16)

• On Internet Virality:

  “If they don’t use this [Nutella in space] in a commercial at some point, they’re fools.”
  — Katie Green (31:38)

• Final Thoughts (Peanut Butter Edition):

  “If you don’t have to stir it up, it’s not real peanut butter.”
  — Joe Getty (43:55)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | Description | |-----------|---------|-------------| | 03:03 | China Analysis & Gordon Chang Interview | Deep dive into US–China–Iran dynamics | | 07:04 | Xi’s Military Purges | Analysis of PLA instability | | 08:06 | Trump’s Approach to China | Is the US looking needy? | | 09:34 | The Big Picture | China’s proxies and trade vulnerabilities | | 12:15 | Coming Collapse of China | Chang’s book and its relevance now | | 16:08 | Clips of the Week | Rapid-fire audio from the week | | 18:53 | Masters & Augusta National | Golf traditions & standards | | 21:31 | Kamala Harris 2028 | Hosts react to speculation | | 27:19 | GPS Collars for Cows | Virtual fencing technology | | 30:40 | Nutella in Space | Accidental viral marketing moment | | 35:29 | ChatGPT Strawberry Glitch | AI spelling debate goes viral | | 41:01 | Crime Data & Media Critique | NYT’s “rare baby shooting” phrasing | | 42:26 | US Murder Rate Discussion | 2025’s historic low rate |

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Tone & Language

The episode features the Armstrong & Getty hallmarks:

• Sharp skepticism and irreverence toward media and politics
• Playful banter and in-house jokes
• Honest, sometimes self-deprecating language
• Concerned but hopeful about serious issues
• Accessible, with enough explanations for listeners to follow complex topics without prior context

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In summary:
This episode mixes serious, timely analysis of international relations with Gordon Chang with the show’s lighter side—highlighting viral cultural phenomena, clever technology, and idiosyncratic personal debates. Whether critiquing world powers or debating peanut butter, Armstrong & Getty keep the tone brisk, wry, and always engaging.

Transcript

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

We also heard from the Chinese spokesperson

[Katie Green]

who said that military means cannot fundamentally solve this problem and that the escalation

[Joe Getty]

of the conflict is not in the

[Jack Armstrong]

interest of either side. The root cause of the Strait of

[Katie Green]

Hormuz blockage, they said, is the illegal

[Jack Armstrong]

military operation in Iran.

[Joe Getty]

So this is the strongest we've heard from the Chinese as well. Whenever we're talking about China, we always want to know what Gordon Chang has to say. Gordon is an author and columnist. He is clear eyed, he is direct and knows what he's talking about. Also, for folks who live in the area of our flagship station in the capital of Cal, Unicornia, Gordon Chang's going to be appearing at the Capitol Lincoln Club's inaugural Freedom awards dinner on May 2nd at the Sutter Club. Get info online at CapitolLinkInCOlub.com we'll have a link at Armstrongandgetty.com I would love to be there. Sounds great. Gordon Chang, welcome. How are you?

[Gordon Chang]

I'm fine, thank you. And thank you so much.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, it's our pleasure. I was just touting your upcoming appearance in Sacramento. So we've covered that and we'll have a link at our website so people can get more information easily. But we played a clip on the way back that mentioned the Chinese made comments about the war in the Gulf and what was going on there. Why don't we start there? What do you think? What lessons do you think the Chinese leadership are taking from what they're seeing unfold right now?

[Gordon Chang]

They're seeing that President Trump is determined that he is willing to use force and they believe that they can back him down. I'm not sure that they're convinced of the last one, but they're certainly trying to do that. We now have that ceasefire. The Iranians violated the cease fire from the get go and I guess we're going to see if President Trump imposes costs on Tehran for doing that.

[Joe Getty]

Now every time the wind changes direction, somebody brings up, will China take advantage of this to move on Taiwan? How concerned are you about that in the near term? And how do you see that situation in general?

[Gordon Chang]

Yeah, I don't see the Chinese taking advantage of the situation there clearly is what we've been moving military assets out of East Asia, especially South Korea. But unfortunately for Xi Jinping, he has decimated the top of the Chinese military with his purges, which means that they are not capable of starting hostilities by launching an invasion on the main island of Taiwan. Now, China can blunder into a war elsewhere. They're engaged in very provocative activities in the south. China, for instance. So the risk of war is still high. But the risk that people think about all the time, which is the one you mentioned, is, I think, off the table because of Xi Jinping's purges.

[Joe Getty]

Do you think Xi and his leadership are looking at the Straits of Hormuz and thinking. So extracting a toll or blackmailing the world through closing shipping lanes is on the table now?

[Gordon Chang]

Oh, certainly, because Iran has been charging tolls. It's been blocking shipping since Tuesday, the announcement of the cease fire. And basically Iran is helping China by de dollarizing the world by requiring the toll be paid in China's currency, the renminbi. So Iran is trying it on. If the United States has had any consistent foreign policy over the course of 250 years, it's been keeping the global commons open. China and Iran are challenging that. And we're going to see if President Trump opens the strait. President Trump has the power to do it. We can even do it without putting boots on the ground. We can do that, for instance, by closing the strait to all shipping that has paid the toll. That would force the Iranians to stop the toll. But we're going to see if President Trump will do that.

[Joe Getty]

Hey, let's hit rewind real quickly. It flitted out of my mind. I'd meant to follow up. You talked about the purge of the top generals in the ch Communist military. What was that all about? Help us understand that dynamic.

[Gordon Chang]

Yeah, this is one of the most important things that have gone on in the world. And basically Xi Jinping, through his corruption purges, has removed a lot of officers. Now, some of those officers have been engaged in removing Xi Jinping's loyalist from the top of the top of the military from all we can see, which means that there is all out fighting among the generals and admirals. There's a lot we don't know because of the regime has become even more opaque over the last three or four years. But we are seeing signs that show turmoil at the top of the People's Liberation Army.

[Joe Getty]

We're talking to author and commentator Gordon Chang. Gordon, I saw a piece in the Journal today that bothered me. Trump quietly scraps his own playbook on China. The White House walks back. The aggressive approach of the first administration Trump won, which I praised heartily for helping the American people understand that, no, China's not our buddy, they're our adversary. Have you been watching that? And what do you make of it? More conciliatory approach?

[Gordon Chang]

Yeah. President Trump wants this meeting that is now scheduled for May 14th. The White House announced it, but China hasn't announced it. And that's making President Trump look a little bit needy, which is not a good look for the United States, because that means it makes it much harder for him to accomplish what he wants with China. Sometimes. You know, for four decades, and this goes back to the Nixon era, we have chased the Chinese for dialogue and that has inflated their already big sense of self importance. So I think the way we get things from China is we stop talking to them and we make them chase us for once. If we do that, then we are able to use our leverage. But if we appear desperate to talk to China, China would certainly use that against us.

[Joe Getty]

All right. They're absolutely relentless and remorseless in exploiting any weakness. Correct?

[Gordon Chang]

Correct. And they have seen even strong American presidents act weak towards China. We have done that to be generous, to be indulgent, to try to integrate the Chinese into the international system, to try to entice them. But although that sounds like it should work, it hasn't worked. So we've got to pivot and try something that might work. What might work, may not work, but at least it has a chance of working. What we're doing right now, it has no chance of success.

[Joe Getty]

Wow, that is so interesting and troubling, and I hope they figure that out quickly. So one of the recurring themes of the show, whether today or in general, Gordon, is that it makes me insane when the media reports, you know, the day to day, you know, occurrences, the happenings around the world, but they completely miss the big picture. When you think about the big picture with US China relations, what do you think is left out of the discussion usually? What do people not understand about China?

[Gordon Chang]

Well, the most important thing which sometimes gets discussed is that President Trump is going after China's proxies. China doesn't want to take on the world directly. So what President Trump has been doing is going after Venezuela, going after Cuba now, going after Iran, and China is basically losing its pause. So this is really good for us. The other big story that people don't talk about is that because. Because China has turned its back on consumption as the basis of the Chinese economy. The only way China can grow is to export more. Xi Jinping, by disrupting the world through various stratagems, is basically globalizing the world. He's making trade more difficult. And I think that ultimately Xi Jinping is working against his own economy. He works against his own economy, that economy will fail. And if that fails, the political system will be in deep trouble.

[Joe Getty]

Interesting. So, and I appreciate you talking about the actions against China's proxies, and you're absolutely right. So am I just wrong in believing that the approach is more conciliatory or is it, you know, just choosing different avenues to exert pressure?

[Gordon Chang]

It's choosing different areas to exert pressure. And Trump is messing with the Chinese. On the one hand, when you look at the substance of his policies, they're mostly really good. But when you look at the rhetoric, it isn't good. And so there is a. The Chinese must be totally confused by Trump because there's only one person in the world who knows what Trump is doing, and that is our president himself.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. And this is the sort of commentary, Gordon, you just don't get elsewhere, which is why it's a pleasure to talk to you. So final question. Your first book, if I'm correct, was the Coming Collapse of China, which you wrote in 2001. Maybe you could explain very briefly the premise of the book, but how is it aging? What has changed? What are your thoughts on the longer term trajectory of China right now?

[Gordon Chang]

In that book, I said the Communist Party would fail within 10 years. I was wrong. What happened is the 2008 downturn, which gave a lot of confidence and strength to the regime, but they overstimulated their economy. They now basically having their 2008 debt crisis while their economy is really deteriorating fast. So China is right now at a very fragile point and President Trump can exploit that if he chooses to do so.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, interesting, interesting. Gordon Chang is upcoming appearance in Sacramento again is at the sutter club on May 2nd. And we'll have all the info readily [e-mail] Gordon. It's always stimulating. Thanks for the time. Let's do it again soon.

[Gordon Chang]

Oh, well, thank you. I really appreciate it and stay safe.

[Joe Getty]

Thanks. Thanks indeed. Yeah. Okay, so we'll have clips of the week coming up in a couple of minutes. Maybe a little follow up on the China discussion. Squeeze in some fun stuff for goodness sakes, at the end of the week. It's been, I've enjoyed everything so far, but it's certainly been on the serious side. Anyway, I hope you can stay around cow Clips of the week coming up in moments.

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Hey, how you doing? Lots to squeeze in during the last hour of the week, but first let's take a fond look back at the week that was its cow Clips of the week. Open the expletive straight, you crazy bastards. Open the straight, you crazy bastards.

[Jack Armstrong]

Iran and the US vowing to send each other to hell.

[Joe Getty]

The entire country could be taken out in one night and that night might be tomorrow night.

[Jack Armstrong]

Failing to meet his terms will result in Iran being bombed back to the, quote, stone Ages.

[Joe Getty]

It was truly the 11th hour down to the wire when President Trump announced this cease fire agreement.

[Katie Green]

We'll be hanging around. We're not going anywhere.

[Joe Getty]

Day two of this cease fire is already looking shaky right now. President Trump's main condition for this truce

[Jack Armstrong]

is not being met.

[Joe Getty]

The Iranians are still saying public they're in control of the strait and that it is closed right now, but we're obliterating and they just don't want to stay uncomfortable.

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So one of the tests that we do is trying to get them to

[Joe Getty]

say something like Kim Jong Un is a fat, ugly pig.

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[Gordon Chang]

linking me with the disgraceful Jeffrey Epstein need to end today.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's clips of the week.

[Joe Getty]

So much there. Including Melanie. I don't think anybody thought that, even if some idiot is going around saying it. But if you want to make a statement, your delightful Slovenian accent, you should feel free to do so. Speaking of delightful speakers, I give you football star war Jason Kelsey at the

[Gordon Chang]

Masters Caddy outfit on we're going to be mingling around this par three contest grounds here at Augusta National Golf Club. I'm out here with the patrons. Everybody's excited for today. Guys, there we are. I got my Augusta chair. I got my cooler. About 18 sandwiches in here. One of the things I'm looking forward to most today. I have never seen a hole in one in person, and there's more than enough par threes out here to make it happen. We're going to be mingling. I'm going to be giving advice. Hopefully nobody's going to be taking it. Maybe I get a stick in my hands. I don't know if I deserve that. But back to you guys.

[Joe Getty]

I love the Masters. I love Augusta National. I. I would love to play there someday. Still waiting for that invitation. If anybody emailed me that invitation, it went to spam. Call me anytime, night or day. Anyway, Jason Kelsey at the Masters should be interesting. He's obviously minding his manners, but bringing the NFL football spirit to the Masters. I mean, because famously, Gary McCord, who is one of the top announcers in golf back in the day, he got banned by Augusta national for life from the broadcast because he said the grains were so fast. It was like they were bikini waxed, which is a provocative image to say the least. But they said, no, you don't say that on the telecast. You can never work the Masters again. Wow.

[Katie Green]

Banned for life for that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. And they own absolutely the rights to everything that's broadcast. Wow. Including the fact that they only have four minutes of commercials an hour, which is nice. I hear you. I wish you guys were the same. I'm sorry. Sorry. It's tough business.

[Katie Green]

But, you know, you made this point yesterday. It's. It's having high standards that have kept it to be such a pristine event.

[Joe Getty]

So, yeah, yeah, they have standards, and they enforce their standards. Imagine that.

[Katie Green]

Friends fancy that.

[Joe Getty]

Imagine that.

[Katie Green]

Boy, I would like to party with Jason Kelly. Just. Or Jason Kelsey just one time. Oh, he seems like so much fun.

[Joe Getty]

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[Katie Green]

Oh, beautiful.

[Joe Getty]

This is gonna be fun.

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Thank you. It's a good day. It is a good day.

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Please be true. Please be true. Oh, I know. I'm beside myself with Clay. I'm gonna have to take a moment during the commercials to recompose myself. I'm so excited about this. Gabby and Kamala maybe. Oh, please Lord, one last blessing is all I ask from you. All right, we're gonna squeeze in some. Yeah, exactly. We're gonna squeeze in a little more. Stay with us or grab the podcast later.

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[Joe Getty]

Space is exciting.

[Jack Armstrong]

It spurs our imaginations and it forces us us to ask big questions.

[Gordon Chang]

Space.

[Jack Armstrong]

It affects us all and it connects us all.

[Joe Getty]

When I called her a half wit earlier, I think I was being too generous. Kamala Harris, who in a speech today at Al Sharpton's outfit in New York is hinting strongly that she will run for president again. Go ahead with 64. Michael.

[Jack Armstrong]

Listen, I might, I might. I'm thinking about it.

[Joe Getty]

I'm thinking about it. And then we'll play the next clip in which Katie, was it Katie who pointed or one of you guys pointed out that whenever Kamala goes within the context of or when you think about, you know, there's some crap coming and this clip lives up to that. Look, the American people have a right to expect that anyone who wants to

[Gordon Chang]

run for office

[Jack Armstrong]

and be a leader, that it can't be about themselves and what they want for themselves has got to be about the American people.

[Joe Getty]

And that's how I think of it.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I am thinking about it in the context of then, you know, is

[Joe Getty]

who and where and how can the best job be done for the American people? What is anybody hurt? What a crack up that was. So, okay, so we'll keep that. Obviously I'm looking at the schedule I had drawn out for what to do when on the show and I have scheduled in for this segment talking about how voter fraud absolutely exists, how it's fairly widespread and is a damned problem for our system. And I'm not an election denier at all. I don't, I don't make claimed wild claims about various elections of the past. But the idea that it's not a problem is completely wrong. And I am going to Build an ironclad case for that. But not today. It's the end of the show on a Friday, so let's screw around. Michael, give US Clip number 10, would you? HALTERS works by sending a series of signals to a collar that the cow wears. Provides feedback to your smartphone so you can see where those cows are. On an app, you can draw in fences. With the click of a button, you can move your cows into that. That part of your pasture and graze

[Gordon Chang]

for as long as you wish.

[Joe Getty]

The halter collar is solar powered, and so it is really sealed. There's not a weak point for water to enter, and it worked. A solar powered smart collar for cows? Please. You can't fool me. That just exists to collect a cow's data so you can send them targeted ads. Yeah, so I didn't. Michael, is there, like, a written version of that? I don't. I don't understand how you could use the collar to move the cattle from one area to the other. Oh, you talk about a time when Jack ought to be here. So I literally worked in cattle yards as a teenager.

[Katie Green]

I'm looking at their website, and it looks like through an app, you can draw a virtual fence and you can move that. Does this thing zap them?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, it probably zaps them a little bit.

[Katie Green]

It probably gives them a little buzz and then allow. Yeah, okay. So you know what? It looks exactly like the dog collars for the. For barking. It's got the little box on it. So it says, using gps, it gives them an audio cue to move. So maybe when they approach the line of the fence, it sets off some noise they don't like until they go

[Joe Getty]

back, and maybe a pleasant noise that they associate with food or something. Because you can train cows, from what I understand, to recognize if a bell rings, that means food is coming. It's Pavlov's dogs, which don't ever read about what he actually did. It was horrifying. But anyway, I could. I could see that happening. GEO fencing for cows.

[Katie Green]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

In other words. Yeah, that makes sense. They have it on golf courses now, where if you go with your cart somewhere you're not supposed to in your cart, it'll slow the cart down to like one mile per hour and a big warning will flash. Go back to the path or whatever. So now cows, apparently.

[Gordon Chang]

Okay.

[Katie Green]

Golfers and golf, Katie. Well, no, I'm just. I'm looking at the app right now, so you can. Yeah, you. You can go in and edit where the cows are allowed to go just at the click of A button.

[Joe Getty]

That's pretty cool. Yeah, it's amazing. You know, obviously it's got to be cost effective, but anyway, I. Actually, today I just came up with a great idea for an invention. I've been wanting to do that since I was a kid and haven't. I guess I'm not very inventive. I think it's a great idea, but I got to look at whether it exists. So at this point, it probably does, but I've never heard of anybody having it. And it's just got to be marketed, right? But no, I can't tell you what it is, because then you'll. You'll latch onto my idea and the riches that I so richly deserve will not be coming my way. And that would be unacceptable.

[Katie Green]

Wow, the gatekeeping is thick right here.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah. Top secret. Top secret. You got to do a retina scan, a thumbprint, and drop your pants to get into our corporate headquarters. I mean, thorough security.

[Katie Green]

Somebody's gonna send the last $10 of their Social Security in a very angry letter to the station. Again with your gatekeeping. First it was chips.

[Joe Getty]

No, no, we cannot have people suitcasing smartphones into the. The Joe Getty Blank headquarters. Oh, that smartphone thing reminds me. Oh, you know what? Where is that really amusing account of the whole Nutella? Do people pronounce it Nutella or Nutella? Because it's not. It's a hazelnut.

[Katie Green]

I've always said Nutella.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's that. I think that's right. Do I have that. Where is that? When it floated through the air. There it is, the Nutella scene all over the world. And 253, 000 miles away. The Nutella what? The marketing meeting. They were having a meeting in Parsippany, New Jersey. The brand's parent company were taking their. Oh, an operations committee meeting that deals with shipping and distribution and store relations and stuff like that. They're just sitting down for the meeting when everybody's phones went crazy and they didn't know if that video. Is everybody familiar with this? There's video of the Artemis II mission the other day, of the capsule, and the astronauts were doing what astronauts do, and various stuff was floating around, including a jar of Nutella, which floated by. And at one point, the label was perfectly aligned to see on camera.

[Katie Green]

It's this. If they don't use this in a commercial at some point, they're fools.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, they already are. They already are. In fact, the. Let's see. They weren't even sure the video was real. So anyway, so now that I've reset, in case you missed it, what happened? So they're at this meeting in New Jersey and everybody's phone goes just ape poop. And they're like, what's going on? What's going on? And, and they're like, is real? Was it? And they all ran out and they watched it and looked into their phones and stuff like that. Ba ba ba. They weren't even sure it was real when they watched the watch the jar hurdle across their screens at exactly the right angle for the label to spin into focus. It all looked too perfect, said Chad Stubbs, the North America Chief Marketing officer. Quote, I couldn't have filmed it any better if I tried. Right? So now they're, they're making hay on social media, as you might guess, various videos that you'll probably run into.

[Katie Green]

Oh yeah, here's one Natalia now enjoyed in space

[Joe Getty]

and I actually a couple of things I didn't know that I learned reading a Wall Street Journal article is that during it was either World War II or just after World War II. Where is that? It's a long article about a sandwich spread. There was a chef in an Italian town. There it is. Post war cocoa shortage. In 1940s, Italian pastry chef named Pietro Ferrero had the genius idea to combine the scarce resources he could get with something his town had in abundance. Hazelnuts. They got hazelnut orchards all over the place.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

So he was like, you can't get food, you can't get cocoa, you can't make the stuff I like to make. So he thought, what can we do with hazelnuts? Hmm, hmm. And it ended up ended up being engineered into a spreadable paste in the 50s, was launched as Nutella in 1964. Anyway, the other interesting part that I learned is that NASA has an extremely strict policy against promoting or endorsing commercial products and enforces it so aggressively that not naming brands is actually kind of part of the astronauts training. They cannot get paid for naming image and likeness, unlike a college hoops play or something like that. Okay. And in fact, when one of the Artemis 2 guys let slip in a press conference that he was bringing an iPhone to get some amazing photos of the Earth from space, he caught himself. He said, quote, I don't think I can actually say that as a government employee. We have small, highly powerful computing devices that we'll take with us that have outstanding cameras.

[Gordon Chang]

That's crazy.

[Joe Getty]

So he backtracked on even mentioning the iPhone. Yeah, yeah. Then finally this while in the cosmos, they also found other purposes for those powerful computing devices. One picture shared by NASA showed Jeremy Hansen with an electric shaver in one hand and his iPhone the other because he was using it as a mirror. And it wasn't even the most amazing part of the shot. Anyone who looked closely would have spotted another product in the corner. A container of Jif peanut butter. And I don't know if Jif has flogged this at all. They should. It's a child's peanut butter. But what do you mean? Nobody's talked about that. It's. It's not. No, no. Get a nice organic kind that you have to stir up because the oil separates.

[Katie Green]

Here comes Boutique Joe here.

[Joe Getty]

That's real peanut butter.

[Katie Green]

Okay. Have you ever made your own?

[Joe Getty]

No, ma'.

[Gordon Chang]

Am.

[Katie Green]

Oh, see, now that's where it's at.

[Joe Getty]

Who's boutique now?

[Katie Green]

Well, I now more homesteady if anything. But it's. It's fun to make your own, but. Oh, my gosh, Jif, Jif crunchy peanut butter is fantastic. And I will not be sway.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, all right, whatever. You're right. It is more home homesteady than boutique. Fair. Fair point. Gotta have the oil.

[Katie Green]

Mix it because it's real.

[Joe Getty]

Okay. Speaking of high tech computer devices that shall not be named, perhaps you've seen this video on yours. If not, we will play the audio now. Katie assures me this is legit. It's some weird glitch of chat. GPT. This guy's name is Zach Tellender and It's clip number 12 on Michael. How many Rs are there in Strawberry?

[Jack Armstrong]

Strawberry has two Rs in it.

[Joe Getty]

Are you sure?

[Cindy Crawford]

Absolutely sure.

[Jack Armstrong]

There's an R after the T and

[Cindy Crawford]

another one near the end.

[Joe Getty]

So two Rs it is. Okay, so I think that there are three Rs.

[Cindy Crawford]

Ah, I see what's going on.

[Jack Armstrong]

But if we count them together, there's

[Cindy Crawford]

one R after the T and one

[Jack Armstrong]

right before the Y.

[Cindy Crawford]

So that does add up to just

[Joe Getty]

two Rs in Strawberry.

[Cindy Crawford]

One of them is just feeling extra noticeable.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, no, it's three Rs. Right, it's three Rs because is. It's one after the T and then in the word berry. You know that word, berry? There's two R's in berry.

[Cindy Crawford]

I get what you're saying now.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're counting the berry part as if

[Joe Getty]

it had two Rs on it. No, no, I'm not counting it as if it had two Rs. It has two Rs.

[Cindy Crawford]

All right, I see where the confusion is coming from.

[Jack Armstrong]

I promise. I'm not trying to be stubborn here.

[Cindy Crawford]

In the standard spelling of strawberry, there's just one R in straw and one R in berry.

[Joe Getty]

So no, there aren't. How many R's are there in straw?

[Jack Armstrong]

In straw, there's just one R. Okay,

[Joe Getty]

now in the word berry, how many R's are there in Barry?

[Jack Armstrong]

There's also just one R. It's right there before the rye. So combined strawberry is just that. One R& straw and one in berry.

[Cindy Crawford]

I know it can be a bit frustrating when we're just seeing it differently, but you haven't done anything wrong.

[Joe Getty]

No, you have done something wrong. Okay, so Katie, I still say that's a bit. And that's a woman, not the, the chatgpt. But I have admittedly never used the voice function of those things.

[Katie Green]

Okay. So I, I have and I prefer the male voice because it's not as clucky as that one. But yeah, that's the, that is the female voice that Chat GPT provides.

[Joe Getty]

Okay.

[Katie Green]

And there were several posts. I just liked the way that he got animated with it because he was he. If you watch this video, I'll put it up@armstrong getty.com he's visually frustrated. He's like. No, like, like getting angry with this thing. But there were other reports of once this video came out, other people tried it and Chat GPT just swears upside down and backwards that there's two Rs in Strawberry.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Wow. Okay, take a short break. We'll come back and finish strong right after this.

[Cindy Crawford]

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Cindy Crawford]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

The 2026 Masters is underway and a trio of legends including 86 year old Jack Nicklaus hit the ceremony first drives of this 90th tournament. The six time Masters champ hit a low hooking shot that had some spectators ducking. He laughed it off when the crowd cheered on. I would consider it an honor to lose an eye at the hands of the great Jack Nicklaus.

[Gordon Chang]

I'm sorry.

[Joe Getty]

So before we shuffle on out of here, this is amazing. Nellie Bowles writing in the Free Press, the New York Times trying to downplay the random killing of a baby in her stroller last week. Here's your quote of the week among shootings in New York City in which a person is struck by stray bullets, babies are rarely the victims. I mean that's amazing. As if it's like hysterical Fox News fear mongering since babies aren't shot that often. My good God. Good. I mean, I know. Yeah.

[Katie Green]

Did you see what happened to the guys that. That fired off those shots?

[Joe Getty]

I don't think so.

[Katie Green]

Okay, so they. They did the shooting, which was horrific. And as they were running from the scene, they just got totally slammed by a car, which resulted in one of them getting caught. The other one ran off, but it was. It was just good timing.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. I certainly hope they catch the second one and his life is what it should be, what it deserves to be. Yeah. Speaking of murders, however, this is amazing. Everybody, I think, has heard that the murder rate is falling, but 2025 is really, really good compared to the 10 years that went before it. I mean, really, really low in terms of murders. It's actually the lowest year. Do they have that? Actually, I'm looking at this chart, which is small. Luckily, I have the eyes of a 16 year old. It looks like the lowest murder rate since the 1960s. What happened in 2020 25? Anybody wanted to commit a murder got murdered during COVID or something. A crackdown on the progressive policing. I don't know. So. Interesting, huh? Well, I'm anti murder, so that's good.

[Katie Green]

Yeah.

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[Gordon Chang]

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[Gordon Chang]

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[Joe Getty]

Get ready with Katie Green and Michael Angelo. It's final thoughts.

[Gordon Chang]

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[Joe Getty]

Hey, let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew to wrap things up for the day and the week. Let's begin with our technical director, Michelangelo. Michael, what's your final thought? All right, here's a. Here's an idea. I hope nobody's thought of it already, but NASA needs to start charging for product placement on space missions, so you have objects to floating by. And they're a sponsor. Oh, they're trying to avoid that very much. Michael, I'm not sure I'm with you on that plan. It would pollute the purity of space travel. Katie Green, our esteemed newswoman, has a final thought.

[Katie Green]

Katie, I just got a text from my husband, and we have the fancy peanut butter at home. I had forgotten, so.

[Joe Getty]

Good man, Drew. Good man. Mm. Ah. Yeah, if you don't have to stir it up. It's not real peanut butter. Come on. My final thought is entirely self indulgent and self promotional. A good show today had a lot of great guests, including. Including Greg Lukianoff from fire, the foundation for Individual rights and Expression during hour one of the program. If you didn't catch that, definitely worth a listen. He is such a great and elegant crusader for the first Amendment. Really enjoy the conversation. Likewise our chat with Mike lyons an hour 2 Tim Sander for an hour 3 so check it out. Armstrong and Getty on demand. Wherever you'd like to get podcasts, subscribe so it downloads automatically. Armstrong and Yeti wrapping up another grueling four hour workday. So many people to thank, so little time. Thanks to Hanson and Katie and Michael and everybody who helped out today. Jack will be back on Monday. Go to armstrongandgetty.com we mention a couple of great events, books, articles, whatever. Those links are there under hot links or usually hot links or we've got a special banner armstrong getty.com we'll see you Monday. God Bless America.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty vowing to send each other to hell.

[Joe Getty]

You crazy bastards. Crazy bastards. It was truly the 11th hour ceasefire agreement.

[Katie Green]

We'll be hanging around.

[Joe Getty]

We're not going anywhere. I think we can all agree on that. It's already looking shaky. They just don't want to stay uncle

[Gordon Chang]

the lies need to end today they

[Joe Getty]

provided $0 to MMIWG2SLGBTQIA bye.

[Gordon Chang]

Have a great Friday, you mother Armstrong

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[Katie Green]

It says I appreciate you.

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