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Jack Armstrong
This is an iHeart podcast broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center.
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Joe Getty
Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
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Jack Armstrong
Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty.
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Trey Inkst
The Iranians continue to launch waves and waves of ballistic missiles into this country overnight. We understand there were 65 missiles and they were targeting a variety of locations. We could hear the explosions in Tel Aviv as some were intercepted overhead by Israel's advanced missile defense systems and also.
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Michael Lyons
Saudi Arabia and Jordan helping knock those things down. And we're prepared to help if we have to if things get really ugly. Including we're sending the USS Nimitz carrier strike group toward the Middle east right now to bulk up our ability to help Israel if things get worse than they are now. It's, it's pretty, pretty war. Now Iran officially declared war the other night, right?
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Jack Armstrong
Keeping in mind, and I must state this for the fellas and very few women in the silent service, anytime we have a couple of submarines in waters within a thousand miles, we have one of the strongest militaries on earth poised to unleash holy hell. So yeah, it sits a real show force adding that carrier group to it. It's difficult to imagine what the mullahs think they can accomplish by lobbing ordinance at Israel. I guess you have to do something. Are they hoping for a lucky hit that brings down high rise apartment building or something and kill so many people? Israel says, oh, nope, nope. All that stuff about we've got to deny them a nuclear weapon and any cost is worth it. We've changed our minds, let's have a peace treaty. I guess that's what they're hoping for.
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Michael Lyons
Supreme Leader Khomeini declared war on Israel as Iran's opening missile sabo rain down in Tel Aviv. The Zionist regime made a grave mistake, he said in a televised address. Life will become bitter for them without a doubt. They should not think they struck and it's over. No, they started this and triggered a war. We will not allow them to walk away unscathed from the great crime they have committed. And then the plan was apparently to unleash about a thousand aerial this and that, drones and missiles toward Israel. But turns out Israel took out a bunch of the missile launchers and or the people who would have ordered them launched. So the number and the response was way, way, way, way smaller than the weird beard was hoping.
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Jack Armstrong
The Zionist regime was not content to just take that blow. They as trade yanks continues. The empire strikes back.
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Trey Inkst
The Israelis are striking back, taking out top intelligence officials from the Iranian regime, including the country's chief intelligence officer and his deputy. They also took out what they say are one third of the ballistic missile launching positions, despite the fact the Israel have air superiority over the Iranian capital of Tehran. This is expected to continue for a number of days, if not weeks, as Israeli forces are trying to weaken the Iranian regime and target the country's nuclear facilities.
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Michael Lyons
I saw Trey Inkst have to run to a bunker over the weekend while he was doing a live report. People are dying in Israel. Not in large numbers, but people are dying and being injured.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, Trey's a terrific reporter, by the way. Last clip from him.
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Trey Inkst
The assessment is that Iran has around 2,000 ballistic missiles and the Israelis have been able to take out some of the stockpile. They've been able to target, like I said, a third of the launching positions. But this still gives Iran the capability to fire hundreds of ballistic missiles into this country. These are not like the rockets that came from Gaza or from southern Lebanon. These are missiles that can take out entire blocks in major cities like Tel Aviv.
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Michael Lyons
Uh, it's on. I mean, it is a war.
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Jack Armstrong
War.
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Michael Lyons
I thought this was interesting. The Atlantic was talking to Donald Trump and making the argument that a lot of your base doesn't like to be involved in any of these wars. And you ran on America first and America first means not getting, you know, involved in things that we have nothing to do with. And Trump said, and I thought this was a really good answer to the Tucker Carlson crowd or the Tulsi Gabbard or whoever. Well, it's now pretty clear that that Tulsi Gabbard video she put out was because she knew as the dni, that it was all about to go down. And she was trying to influence her boss, Donald Trump, toward, you know, not getting us involved and worried about nuclear war and that sort of stuff, because she's a non interventionist or whatever you want to call that crowd anyway. Trump said, well, considering that I'm the one that developed America first and considering that I invented that term, I think I'm the one that decides that. Trump said, for those people who say they want peace, you can't have peace if Iran has a nuclear weapon. So for all those wonderful people who don't want to do anything about Iran having a nuclear weapon, that's not peace. So I like him just stating to that crowd, well, I invented American first, so America first. So I get to define it. And my definition is includes Iran not getting a nuclear weapon. I really like Rand Paul and agree with him on practically everything except for this. I think he's a kook on this. He was on one of your talk shows yesterday and he said, well, he has a weird way of talking. I don't know what that accent is. But he said people have been debating what is a just war for centuries. You know, when do you go to where. When do you not go to war? He said, but anyway, preemptive or what was the. What's the other word? Preemptive, or when you're trying to stop something from happening. Preventative. Any preemptive or preventative. War is not just this war is not just. I thought that's a crazy standard. So you're going to get your next. Let your next door neighbor who's been vowing to kill you get the greatest weapon ever developed by man. Because if I stopped him, that'd be a preventive war, and that's unjust. Once he gets the weapon, that's when I'll go to war with him, after he's killed me. That's a crazy way to look at the world.
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Jack Armstrong
Like you. I love Rand on domestic politics, but yeah, that's a crackpot point of view, honestly. Interesting to point out. A year ago, Israel was struggling, bogged down in Gaza, the earlier days of it, surrounded by Hezbollah and Hamas, all backed by Iran, under pressure from Biden's White House to stop fighting. Now it's reshaping the Middle east on its own terms, quoting the Wall Street Journal. Now enforcing the Trump administration to play catch up, kind of. With a series of daring intelligence operations and fierce military campaigns, Israel's effectively disabled Iranian allies Hamas and Hezbollah, while also prompting the collapse of the Assad regime in Syria, an important Iran proxy that people don't bring up. And it's now taking the fight directly to Tehran.
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Michael Lyons
Yeah, Mike Klein's brought this up an hour, too, and if you missed it, you should grab our podcast. Armstrong and Getty on Demand. How this all has played out. There's a number of reasons that Iran has no defense for what Israel's doing right now. Some of it is the defense they had got wiped out. But why did it get wiped out? Because of October 7th. So October 7th was so awful for Israel, but in the weird way that history unfolds, it gave Israel the political cover on the world stage to hit back.
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Jack Armstrong
Their in the internal resolve, too.
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Michael Lyons
And yeah, in the internal politics to allow it to happen. And so they wiped out a whole bunch of the defense and then it also allowed them to wipe out Hamas and do that attack against Hezbollah, which was part of the air defense that Iran had in just that, hey, if you ever strike Tehran, we got bad guys right on your border. Hamas and Hezbollah that can unleash hell, not anymore. So part of their air defense was Hamas and Hezbollah, which got taken out that way. And as you already mentioned, Syria. So that's an interesting development. It's so easy. You know, the whole we may have lost the battle, but we'll win the war is, is. Is a very true statement that you need to look down the road of, of how things will play out, because October 7th was a horrible day for Israel. But it has allowed them to do all these different things where they might be able to take out their greatest enemy on the planet entirely.
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Jack Armstrong
One more note, this from Benjamin Netanyahu addressing the people of Iran. I have no doubt that your day of liberation from tyranny is closer than ever. And when that happens, Israelis and Iranians will renew the covenant between our two ancient nations. Together we'll bring a future of prosperity, peace, and hope. I like that tone. I think it's could be depending on what takes the place of the theocracy. And that's always a messy, messy business.
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Michael Lyons
Yeah. According to the New York Times, Israel had the Ayatollah located and the ability to take him out in the same way that they've taken out, you know, the leaders of all these different things and scientists and blah, blah, blah. They've killed a whole bunch of people. They had. They knew where the Ayatollah was. They had whatever technology they needed to kill him. And Trump said no and talked him out of it. So I don't know if that's true.
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Michael Lyons
Do you want to do Doug Murray because it's so good when we come back and have time to love that idea. Discuss. I think it's really interesting that Trump came out and said, look, America first is what I say it is. I invented it. So I think this is included in that. That's a pretty good pushback against the Tulsa Tulsi Tucker crowd.
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Jack Armstrong
Well, and I'm heartened just because I agree with them. I say, speaking of Mike Lyons, why don't we give him the last word. Clip 57 Michael from just earlier today.
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Mike Hanson
And this is a generational moment and I think we've got to take advantage of it in the United States right now. And I understand about America first policy, but it clearly, as the President has now said, this is in our best interest to make sure the Iranians have nowhere near any kind of nuclear capability and Israel's just not satisfied with just kicking the can down the road.
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Joe Getty
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Michael Lyons
This is a big deal. This, this war in the Middle east is a big deal and it is a war and we're not super involved in it yet and hopefully we will not be. Oh, nobody alerted Joe to the fact that he needs to come into the studio. Hopefully we walk in the door here shortly. Joe has walked in the door and it joins us now. Joe Getty, ladies and gentlemen. What I was just setting up the Fact that we are at war in the Middle east and it's a very, very big deal.
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Jack Armstrong
I agree with that. Douglas Murray, the fabulous British thinker, gave this speech. I believe it was 13 years ago. He was right then, he is right now. Let's hit it. Michael.
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Douglas Murray
When Israel is pushed to the situation, it will be pushed to, of having to believe they mean it. And when every bit of jiggery pokery behind the scenes runs out, and when the UN and distinguished figures have run out of time and Iran is about to produce its first bomb, Israel will strike every single country, including this one. People from our elegant diplomatic service, people from America, everyone will condemn Israel. Everyone in the Middle east will condemn Israel. And they will go back to their homes and they will say in private, thank God for Israel, the Saudis, the Bahrainis, the Egyptians, the Libyans, the Lebanese. Everybody will say thank God they did it because nobody else would.
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Jack Armstrong
Everybody knows Israel has the most at stake in preventing Iran from having nukes. And everybody's known for a very long time, as Murray put it so eloquently, that they would make sure that it won't happen. And so everybody else had the lovely, and still has the lovely luxury of saying we're against violence and for diplomacy. Israel with their violence and the attacks, we don't approve. And then they go to their homes and say, thank God they did it.
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Michael Lyons
Yeah, I saw a number of people over the weekend say this really sets back the ability to negotiate. Actually, Rand Paul said that among other people. Here we, here we were in the midst of negotiations and Israel did this. This is not helpful at all. You're. And you're nuts.
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Jack Armstrong
Wow. Wow. That is just delusional. Let's roll on with Mr. Murray.
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Douglas Murray
The proposition being put before you tonight is that you have a choice between war and an Iran with the bomb. You have a choice, as has been said before, between war and dishonor. You'll choose dishonor this evening and you'll get war. You have the choice between a war with a nuclear Iran or a war at some point with an Iran that is not nuclear, which you stop from ever being nuclear, and hope that in stopping that regime, in embedding itself, you will give the Iranian people the best chance they will have of overthrowing that regime. But as I say, thank you, God. This doesn't rely on you or any Europeans because you've made the same mistake before and nobody should trust you to get it right this time.
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Michael Lyons
So it was in 1981 that Israel took out a nuclear facility at that time was it who was it the Iraqis that were getting close to having a nuclear weapon? And it was Prime Minister Menachem Begin at the time who made that call. And Reagan said that that was awful. And just, just like Douglas Mori later, the whole world condemned it. And then Prime Minister Begin, after his office out of office, was given the Medal of Freedom by Dick Cheney years later. Because in reality, behind closed doors, we were happier than hell that Israel did what had to be done.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, I'm cynical enough to get how domestic politics influence the pronouncements you make about foreign relations behind the scenes. Your actual policies are very different than the pronouncements, but it just. I get sick of it. You know, I'm just. It's. It's so obvious. If it's obvious to us and Douglas Murray. I mean, it's obvious to a lot of people what's going on. Now I understand why Muhammad bin Salman has to pretend for the quote, unquote, Arab street. You remember when that was a popular term? Anyway, I get why he has to pretend to condemn it and the rest of it. But our leaders. Please, just. So phony.
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Michael Lyons
Our executive producer Mike Hanson has come up with a good idea. We start using Britney Spears as a national barometer of how crazy things are getting.
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Jack Armstrong
In what sense?
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Michael Lyons
We'll explain that coming up in a little bit. But I think it's gonna work pretty well, actually. It's like. It's like the rainbow of doom, you know, where it's stage orange or something like that, where it's staged. Brittany dancing crazy is when things are getting out of control. She's a national barometer.
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Jack Armstrong
And of course, when we're at the dancing with knives.
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Michael Lyons
Yes.
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Jack Armstrong
Point on the scale, then, you know, run free lives. Hold your dear ones close.
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Michael Lyons
Yes, things have gotten really out of control. We have much more news that we need to get to on a variety.
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Jack Armstrong
Of fronts, including the fact that the President of Argentina gave a $19 gift to Pope Leo, which might be the best gift he could possibly give him.
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Michael Lyons
$19? I can't imagine what that would be.
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Jack Armstrong
That's a rough figure. Check your local listings. Also, astute Armstrong and Getty listener pointing out, and I hope our authorities are way ahead of us on this, the nexus between the Ukrainian built drone farms inside of Russia and China's aggressively buying up land in the United States. What are they doing with that land?
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Michael Lyons
I saw a map of how much land they own in the United States. Agricultural land.
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Jack Armstrong
It was shocking.
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Kristi Noem
Has had it up to here with Fighting Iran's proxies and a giant raid on Iran on their military fac on their nuclear facilities killed their top three military commanders. Predictably, Hezbollah, that's one of Iran's proxies. They condemned the attack and they said they were awaiting instructions on how to respond. Check your pagers, guys.
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Michael Lyons
Crowd applauds like crazy. Which is kind of interesting because I was everybody has thought this. Not an original thought. I, I never, I don't know if I've ever had an original thought, but I'd like to go to a parallel universe where Kamala Harris won the presidential election and see how she would be dealing with this whole thing between Israel and Iran. You know, that she would be daily lecturing Israel and telling them they need.
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Jack Armstrong
To stop and responding to her wokest, you know, 15% of supporters, I'm sure.
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Michael Lyons
Right?
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah. I'm slightly ashamed that I didn't think of this myself, but there's a lot going on in the world these days. Regular correspondent JT in Livermore, California. Guys, if China can build secret prisons within the US they're more like police stations withholding cells. But yeah, you know they're going to be building drone armies here in the us Maybe stored on those properties they're buying next to military bases.
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Michael Lyons
God, we hope. Do we hope they haven't already?
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Jack Armstrong
Well, right. The obviously the springboard of this is the knowledge that Ukraine had facilities within Russia in which they were constructing and or storing drones and waiting for the right moment to attack. And JT helpfully sent along a link to an article I believe we talked about at the time. Maps show Chinese owned farmland next to 19 US military bases in alarming threat to national security.
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Michael Lyons
Even if they hadn't come up with that plan prior to what Ukraine did and what Israel just did, they started a week ago. They're doing it now.
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Jack Armstrong
The New York Post identified 19 bases across the US from Florida, Hawaii to Hawaii, which were in close proximity to land bought by Chinese entities and could be exploited by spies working for the communist nation. And if they can be, they will be. That's, you know, get that tattooed somewhere where you can look at it regularly. If the Chinese communists can use a capability against us, they will use it. Just a question of when.
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Michael Lyons
I got to admit, if I ever took off my shirt and someone said, what does that tattoo say? And I said, it says if the Chinese government can exploit a situation, they will. That's your tattoo?
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Jack Armstrong
Yes. I just don't want to forget it.
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Michael Lyons
Don't trust China.
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Jack Armstrong
Robert Spalding, retired U.S. states Air Force Brigadier General, Brigadier General whose work focused on US China relations, told the Post, it's concerning due to the proximity of its strategic. Or to our strategic location. We are a big, rich, naive moron as a country in a lot of ways. Contrast that with Israel, if you will. Oh, speaking of which, on a similar theme, I was thinking of going into this in a playful way. You know, maybe I will. All right, go ahead. What is the app tamu's business? Is it Temu or Tamu? Katie, do you know T E M U?
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Joe Getty
I've heard it both ways.
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Jack Armstrong
I say Temu, Temu. Okay, fair enough. What is Teemu's real business? Okay, hang on now. There's more. What is TikTok's real business? There's one more for you. It's Shine, right? That's the. The cheap clothing. What is Shines real business?
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Michael Lyons
I've never even heard of that one.
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Jack Armstrong
Or here's Pinduoduo. What is that app's real business? Ah, trick question. The answer for all of them is collecting your data. They include a service along with it. That's why you download the app. They are data collection and surveillance apps.
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Michael Lyons
For instance, are they all Chinese?
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah.
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Michael Lyons
Okay.
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Jack Armstrong
For instance, Pindu. Although certainly the Chinese are not the only voracious collectors of data. I mean, Mark Zuckerberg, please. The TIMU and Pinduoduo represent themselves as e commerce apps that offer inexpensive, inexpensive merchandise. But they're also in the business of data collection. The lawsuit filed by Attorney General Mike Hilgers of Nebraska says According to an IT Security Report firm report, Pinduoduo requests as many as 83 permissions including access to biometrics, Bluetooth, Wi Fi, network information and well, obviously 70 or 80 more things. As an aside, why is TikTok still happening in America? Mr. President?
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Michael Lyons
That's a good one.
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Jack Armstrong
Because they gave you a big giant contribution to your campaign or your inauguration. Them and their lobbyists are paying off the administration. Get rid of TikTok. Congress passed the law. It's time.
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Michael Lyons
Isn't there a way for. Since Congress did pass a lot of force the executive to do what you're supposed to do legally.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah. Somebody's got a like prove standing and that they've been damaged by it and, and go to the courts. I guess you'd think there'd be kind of a blanket. The law said that and it's not happening.
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Michael Lyons
Right.
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Jack Armstrong
Lawsuit that you could file.
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Michael Lyons
Right.
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Jack Armstrong
An ex post Miranda or corpus lawsuit or something. I don't know. But crazy investigation found by Montana found that the Temu app is designed to hide its collection of sensitive information from users and, and from any researcher who might be investigating the app's functionality. That's part of its programming, is to hide what it is doing. Teemu also has code that quote, allows it to reconfigure itself after being downloaded.
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Michael Lyons
What do use Teemu for? What's it? It's a.
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Jack Armstrong
What dental hygiene.
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Michael Lyons
What do you use Teemu for? You know, Katie, you can, you can.
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Jack Armstrong
Buy anything on it. It's. It's like China's Amazon.
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Michael Lyons
Oh, okay. Then why do we use it in the United States? Because there's just a lot of cheap crap on there.
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Jack Armstrong
Super cheap.
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Michael Lyons
Okay, yeah. Wow.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, let's.
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Michael Lyons
Wow. They are really hoisting us on our own petards with the whole we like cheap crap. Okay, so we'll develop an app that can spy on every single American in the United States who wants to buy extra cheap crap. And they're so hungry for their cheap crap, and it is crap, most of it, that they'll allow us to spy on everybody.
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Jack Armstrong
Right, exactly. And keep in mind what I just said. TAMU has code that allows it to reconfigure itself after you download it so it becomes something different than you downloaded. Blah, blah, blah. This is, this is the part I wanted to get to. The fear is that consumer products marketed on Teemu are the bait to get Americans to download an app that gives the company, and thereby the communist party access to personal data, location tracking and other sensitive information. Article 7 of the National Intelligence Law of China. This is the Chinese communists on their own. You know, I. I'm tempted to dig up that great piece we had by. Was it. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Who was the guy who wrote. Ah, his name is Flitted out of my head. An unbelievable piece quoting Chinese intelligence service officials on how valuable a resource TikTok is. It quoted them chapter and verse, quote after quote after quote from internal memorandum and meetings where the Chinese intelligence services said, wow, TikTok is an unbelievable boon to what we're doing. But Anyway, here's Article 7 of the National Intelligence Law. China, quote, any organization or citizen shall support, assist and cooperate with the state intelligence, work in accordance with the law and keep the secrets of the national intelligence work from becoming known to the public. They are bound by law to report anything the Chinese Communists want to know. Well, we're fools.
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Michael Lyons
We are. We freaking are. That's very maddening.
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Jack Armstrong
I know. I don't. I. You know, we've said enough. When, when the poo hits the fan in whatever shape or array of flung poo results, everybody will say, how did that happen? I don't. Will I be some. Some sort of grimly satisfied. No, I won't. I'll just be horrified. No, just horrified. On a cheerier note, love this. Andy Kessler writing in the journal Javier Millay's gift for Pope Leo. On June 7, the new pope, the Chicago guy, met with Argentine President Javier Javier Millay at the Vatican. Millay gave the Pope a historical document from 1642. Cool. A hand woven vicuna poncho.
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Michael Lyons
That's a good poncho.
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Jack Armstrong
Oh, you got your machine woven vicuna, please throw it in the trash. Your hand woven. Gorgeous. And he also gave him Friedrich Hayek's book from 1988, the Fatal Conceit, the Errors of Socialism. The book costs less than $19 on Amazon, but it was the most valuable gift, says Kessler. And he explains with some just fabulous quotes from the book, which I need to read. I've read quotes from it my whole life. But Hayek's fatal conceit is that, quote, man is able to shape the world around him according to his wishes. That is the fatal conceit of humans. It's a hearty defense of free markets and of classical liberalism. And Kessler mentions that his friend and colleague Matthew Hennessy got taken to task by Vice President Vance for defending free markets. On these pages in 2025, Hayek pounds home the point that markets are about price, discovery, wealth creation. Quote. Is determined not by objective physical facts known to any one mind, but by the separate differing information of millions, which is precipitated in prices that serve to guide further decisions. Catch that by buying and selling in free markets to determine prices. You and I and millions who are connected, but only by signals resulting from long and infinitely ramified chains of trade. We drive the economy and we do it better than self selecting know it alls who really know nothing.
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Michael Lyons
And he gave that book to the Pope. He did, because he thinks the Pope or Popes tend to lean a little too socialist.
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Jack Armstrong
Yes, indeed. I think that was his purpose. Let me hit you with one or two more quotes from Hayek. This is maybe my favorite one's initial surprise at finding that intelligent people tend to be socialists diminishes when one realizes, of course, that intelligent people will tend to overvalue intelligence. Ah, the curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can desire. Design planners are ill informed. Quote to the naive mind that can conceive of order only as the product of deliberate arrangement, it might seem absurd that order and economic growth can be achieved more effectively by decentralizing decisions, he notes. And he notes that the fallacy because, quote, decentralization actually leads to more information being taken into account man by millions of people who don't even know they're doing it.
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Michael Lyons
Salma Hayek for the win.
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Jack Armstrong
There's that would be Friedrich Hayek.
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Michael Lyons
Wrong Hayek.
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Jack Armstrong
Right. Very different Hayek. I love that. Love that.
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Michael Lyons
Coming up, why are sharks falling out of the sky in South Carolina border?
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Jack Armstrong
Mr. Chairman, how did they get in the sky?
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Michael Lyons
Pretty interesting story. And using our craziest celebrities as a barometer for how much unrest we have in the world, I think it might actually work. Among other things.
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Joe Getty
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Kristi Noem
Did you see the press conference the other day? Kristi Noem, our Homeland Secretary, was here. And one of our senators, Alex Padilla, was. I don't know if they knew it was him, but he stood up to ask a question and confront her. And they frog marched him out of there and threw him on the ground and started to cuff him. And Gavin Newsom said, now do me. I tell you, if anyone is ready for his close up, it's Gavin. I think this is his moment. I do.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah.
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Michael Lyons
The era of performative politics.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah. I was just reading a description of little Greta Thunberg who was walking freely through the airport, then when she saw the cameras, thrust her hands behind her back as if she were cuffed.
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Michael Lyons
Oh, wow. All right. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I concur. Our executive producer, Mike Hansen came up with this idea. When our celebrities, when our crazy celebrities get crazier or peak crazy, then. Then the whole world is going. They're like a barometer. We can use it. I mean, walk down the hallway.
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Jack Armstrong
Very insightful.
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Michael Lyons
Justin Bieber and his wife are having troubles. Cher's daughter's son tried to kill himself herself over the weekend. And Brittany has released to yet another crazy dancing tick tock video. That's a barometer of how off the rails things are. If Britney, like you said, if she's dancing with knives, well, then we got war in the Middle east probably. If she's calm, everything's calm right now. Things are. Things are not good.
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Joe Getty
And I'm scared of you because you're.
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Jack Armstrong
Weird because you're going through puberty.
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Joe Getty
I don't know what to say.
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Michael Lyons
That's right.
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Jack Armstrong
Amen to that.
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Michael Lyons
So she is. She is a peak crazy. The world is a peak crazy. Not a coincidence. Just saw this. Dow surges 400 points. Oil falls 3% as Iran reportedly seeks talks to end Israel war. I did not see that headline anywhere. Just came across.
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Jack Armstrong
Israel responds Unconditional surrender and regime change, please.
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Michael Lyons
You think they'll demand regime change? I think they'll just demand. I don't know. What would you demand to make sure they don't get it? Because they'd lie about anything in terms of getting a nuclear weapon, right?
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah. Any concession on the nuclear bomb front has to include inspections. And that's not gonna go over.
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Michael Lyons
You don't think.
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Jack Armstrong
Well, even if they agree to it initially, they'll. They'll flake on it and cheat on it. It's been demonstrated over and over again.
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Michael Lyons
Yeah, I was listening to. I don't. Who. Somebody on one of your cable news channels talking about how Iran fought Iraq for 10 years and. And many, many, many, many people died. But Iran finally got to a point after vowing to never surrender, where they, the Ayatollah actually said, this pains me more than anything I've done in my life, but the, you know, the war must end. And they made all kinds of concessions that nobody thought they'd ever make to get the war to stop. There is a point at what you realize this has got to end. And I don't know when you get to that point, like a whole bunch of bombs going off near government installations yesterday in Tehran where you realize I might die this week if I don't end this. So then maybe you do allow them to go into Ford O and inspect the place. I don't know.
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Jack Armstrong
Well, they're going to find a robust industry designed to produce a bomb as quickly as possible and very close to having done so. And then what do you do? Say aha, fool, dude, we caught you. Then go back to Tel Aviv. No, you destroy the place.
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Michael Lyons
Well, right, but then you've also got the problem of is this the only place there might be? Everybody's talking about Fordo, the last nuclear facility that hasn't been blown up yet. Well, they might have a facility nobody's ever heard of somewhere.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, I doubt it. But that is possible, certainly.
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Michael Lyons
I thought this was an interesting stat around that whole thing. In 1990, Israel and Iran's GDP per capita, the average individual salary basically, or what you were producing for the country. Israel and Iran were close to each other. 13,000 for Israel, Iran for $10,000. They were near in 2025, Israel's has quadrupled to 58,000 and Iran's has been cut in more than half, down to 3,800. That leads me to believe that there's a lot of people on the street that would like the current leadership to go.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, absolutely. I wish I had the quote in front of me. I thought it was great that it illustrates the problem with giving theocrats in love with the Middle Ages the keys to your economy.
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Michael Lyons
Right, yeah.
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Jack Armstrong
Just ridiculous. Yeah, the Iranian people have been so brutally misserved by the regime. Just terrible.
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Michael Lyons
Do you think Iran would use a nuke if they had it? Yeah, I did too.
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Jack Armstrong
I don't know what context or when, but yeah, part of the whole death to America, death to the Zionists thing is for their radical 10, 20, 50% of their population. But a lot of it's sincere.
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Michael Lyons
Well, sure.
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Jack Armstrong
And if you go around vowing to wipe somebody off the face of the earth over and over again for decades, and then you achieve the means to do that. Hell's coming, Right?
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Michael Lyons
And Hamas wasn't joking around, obviously, in October 7th.
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Jack Armstrong
Right?
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Michael Lyons
Yeah. And this is a. This is a blood sport, obviously, October.
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Jack Armstrong
7Th illustrated what negotiation will get Israel.
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Michael Lyons
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Joe Getty
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Jack Armstrong
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