We Were Loose With The Term "Tramp Stamp"

Summary

Podcast Summary: Armstrong & Getty On Demand – "We Were Loose With The Term 'Tramp Stamp'"

Introduction

In the April 28, 2025 episode of Armstrong & Getty On Demand, hosted by iHeartPodcasts, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty delve into the cultural resurgence and evolving perceptions surrounding the term "tramp stamp." The hosts explore the origins, societal implications, and the recent trend of Gen Z reclaiming what was once considered a derogatory label. Throughout the episode, they intertwine personal anecdotes, societal commentary, and humor to provide a comprehensive discussion on the subject.

1. Understanding "Tramp Stamp"

The episode begins with Jack Armstrong introducing the term "tramp stamp," defining it as a derogatory slang for a tattoo located on a woman's lower back. He cites its negative connotations, linking such tattoos to promiscuity and loose morals.

Jack Armstrong [17:11]: "Tramp stamp is a derogatory slang term particularly used in the early mid-2000s, referring to a tattoo on a woman's lower back. The term carries a negative connotation."

2. The Negative Connotations and Media Influence

Jack and Joe discuss how the term has been perpetuated by media portrayals and societal expectations, often used to shame or criticize women for their personal choices in body art.

Joe Getty [18:28]: "You're such a boo's writing this. You're a buzzkill. You're taking everything too seriously."

They highlight that while the term is predominantly used against women, men with similar tattoos rarely face the same judgment or derogatory labels.

Jack Armstrong [21:14]: "The term perpetuates harmful cultural stereotypes about their sexuality. It does say here it's important to note that men who have tattoos on their lower backs are rarely, if ever, subjected to the same judgment or derogatory terms."

3. Gen Z's Reclamation of the Term

A significant portion of the discussion centers on the resurgence of "tramp stamps" among Gen Z. The hosts reference a fictional news report stating that Gen Z women are bringing back the lower back tattoo as a form of empowerment, reclaiming a term once meant to shame.

Jack Armstrong [19:01]: "Gen Z is bringing back the lower back tattoo derogatorily referred to as the tramp stamp."

Joe Getty [19:36]: "Women are taking back a negative stereotype that that barbed wire tattoo across your lower back really shows power. So much horse crap."

4. Personal Perspectives and Experiences

Jack shares his personal take, expressing no judgment towards tramp stamps despite reading their negative definitions.

Jack Armstrong [18:36]: "I honestly have no judgment about tramp stamps. As opposed to what I just read there. I have no judgment whatsoever."

Joe echoes similar sentiments, emphasizing a non-judgmental stance.

Joe Getty [18:42]: "No, I don't."

The hosts humorously discuss the challenges of recognizing tramp stamps, noting that without certain attire or intimate moments, it's often impossible to identify someone with such a tattoo.

Jack Armstrong [20:37]: "Unless their shirt pulls up or something like that, you have to have a certain type of intimate moment to even recognize the fact that they have."

5. Cultural and Societal Implications

The conversation shifts to the broader cultural significance of reclaiming derogatory terms. Jack points out the irony in how something once used to shame can become a symbol of empowerment when reappropriated by the community it once targeted.

Jack Armstrong [22:19]: "But it's kind of funny, though, that everything comes back in style, including things that had a very negative connotation. It's empowering, says the news story."

Joe criticizes the narrative presented by media, calling out the lack of substance in claims about empowerment.

Joe Getty [22:19]: "That barbed wire tattoo across your lower back really shows power. So much horse crap. Does everybody have the time to worry about this sort of thing?"

6. Gender Double Standards

A recurring theme is the gender double standard associated with tramp stamps. The hosts discuss how women are often shamed for such tattoos, while men receive little to no backlash for similar choices.

Katie Green [21:53]: "A guy friend of mine started dating this girl and he realized she had a tramp stamp and he said, 'Oh, I can't.'"

Jack Armstrong [21:38]: "Everybody would tell everybody, oh, my God, you know, Darren has a tramp stamp. I mean, it wouldn't."

7. Empowerment vs. Misogyny

While some media sources claim that reclaiming the tramp stamp is an empowering move for women, the hosts debate the authenticity and impact of such claims. They question whether this reclamation truly serves as empowerment or merely perpetuates existing stereotypes under a new guise.

Katie Green [20:26]: "But feminine empowerment says the news story, women are taking back a negative stereotype that that barbed wire tattoo across your lower back really shows power. So much horse crap."

8. Final Thoughts and Concluding Remarks

As the episode wraps up, Jack and Joe reflect on the oscillation of societal norms and the importance of challenging outdated stereotypes. They advocate for a more accepting and less judgmental society where personal choices, such as getting a tattoo, are respected without bias.

Jack Armstrong [35:25]: "Armstrong and Getty wrapping up another grueling four-hour workday."

Joe Getty [35:58]: "It's way easy to save these politicians, that they should have more guts with their job when most of us would do a lot of things to make sure we don't lose our careers."

Notable Quotes

• Jack Armstrong [17:11]: "Tramp stamp is a derogatory slang term particularly used in the early mid-2000s, referring to a tattoo on a woman's lower back."

• Joe Getty [19:36]: "Women are taking back a negative stereotype that that barbed wire tattoo across your lower back really shows power. So much horse crap."

• Jack Armstrong [21:14]: "The term perpetuates harmful cultural stereotypes about their sexuality."

• Katie Green [21:53]: "A guy friend of mine started dating this girl and he realized she had a tramp stamp and he said, 'Oh, I can't.'"

Conclusion

The "We Were Loose With The Term 'Tramp Stamp'" episode of Armstrong & Getty On Demand offers a nuanced exploration of a culturally loaded term and its implications in modern society. Through candid conversation and sharp wit, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty challenge listeners to reconsider preconceived notions and embrace a more empathetic understanding of personal expression.

Additional Resources

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[Joe Getty]

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[Katie Green]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

I read the art to make me making deals. We didn't get to Trump's comments over the weekend where he said, I thought the toughest stuff he said about Russia, maybe a change of tone. I don't know. He had a meeting alone. Alone with Zielinski there at the Vatican because of the Pope's funeral. No idea what they talked about, but more on that later.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, interesting stuff. So a crazy, crazy thing happened.

[Jack Armstrong]

I saw. I saw Donald Trump in the movies. Homes to be homing alone too.

[Joe Getty]

And also the Lavrov and I every week watched the apprenticing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

A sitting state court judge is facing federal charges and up to six years in prison. Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Hannah Dugan faces multiple charges for allegedly obstructing ICE agents trying to arrest an undocument immigrant, according to a newly unsealed indictment. On April 18, Dugan was visibly upset when she and another judge confronted a group of federal agents that had come to her courthouse to arrest Eduardo Flores Ruiz, an undocumented Mexican citizen who was in court to face misdemeanor domestic violence charges. Agents said she told him to go to see the chief judge of the courthouse and went back to her courtroom, where Judge Dugan then escorted Flores Ruiz and his counsel out of the courtroom through a jury door. Flores Ruiz was later arrested near the courthouse.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, there are a lot of facts he got right there. But it's interesting. You come away with a different impression than you're about to have. Ah, what was I going to say? It seemed important at the time when it went by FBI. Yeah, that's weird. Oh, that's right. The Washington Post portrayed this whole episode as part of Trump's war against the judiciary. This is really sending a message to judges all over the country that something, something having a chilling effect, I'll bet. Oh, absolutely. So John Roberts on Fox News was talking to Attorney General Bondi about what happened. Listen to this play by play. And how does the deal feel to you? After you hear this.

[Jack Armstrong]

So let me read a little bit from the criminal complaint here. And Judge Dugan says, despite having been advised of the administrative warrant for the arrest of Flores Ruiz, Judge Dugan then escort Flores Ruiz and his counsel out of the courtroom through the jury door, which leads to a non public area of the courthouse. A foot chase ensued. The agents pursued Flores Ruiz for the entire length of the courthouse and ultimately apprehended him. According to this complaint, Judge Diggin was visibly angry that ICE was there to arrest Flores. Ruiz even tried to kick the deportation agents out of the courthouse. Yeah.

[Katie Green]

And to set the stage for you and Sandra, this would truly horrific. This guy was in court being prosecuted by a state prosecutor for domestic violence battery. He had beat up two people, a guy and a girl. Beat the guy, hit the guy 30.

[Joe Getty]

Times, knocked him to the ground, choked.

[Jack Armstrong]

Him, beat up a woman so badly.

[Katie Green]

They both had to go to the hospital. And John, you know, it's so rare.

[Jack Armstrong]

For victims to want to cooperate.

[Katie Green]

They wanted to cooperate.

[Jack Armstrong]

They were sitting in the courtroom with the state prosecutor.

[Katie Green]

The judge learns that ICE was outside to get the guy because he had been deported in 2013, came back in our country, commits these crimes, charged with committing these crimes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Victims in court.

[Katie Green]

Judge finds out. She goes out in the hallway, screams.

[Joe Getty]

At the immigration officers.

[Jack Armstrong]

She's furious, visibly shaken, upset.

[Joe Getty]

Sends them off to talk to the chief judge.

[Katie Green]

She comes back in the courtroom. You're not going to believe this. Takes the defendant and the defense attorney back in her chambers. Takes him out of private exit and tells him to leave.

[Jack Armstrong]

While a state prosecutor and victims of domestic violence are sitting in the courtroom. Wow.

[Joe Getty]

So look at that message. This guy's. And by the way, you beat the hell out of two people and it's a misdemeanor.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Including a woman. But so anyway, with the prosecutor ready to go on the case and the victims in the courtroom. Judge, lady judge says no, no, no. What's much more important is this poor immigrant. Because no human being is illegal. He must be freed from the clutches of ice. So I'm going to end the trial right now and show him the emergency exit. And then everybody's going to be around sitting around in the courtroom thinking, hey, what the hell happened to the defendant? But it will help him escape the clutches of ice. How perverse is that?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, well, it's got to be. It's got to be straightened out. We've got to figure this out. The Supreme Court has to rule on this. Look, federal laws are federal laws. You don't get to choose to be a city that ignores them.

[Joe Getty]

Well, right. And if there's a immigration detainer, an enforcement action that the federal government has gone through due process to set up, then yeah, you have to cooperate with federal authorities. I mean, and you know, if this were at all like a wobbly proposition, like the federal government was trying to enforce, I don't know, good hygiene or, or, or, you know, using proper English in public or something like that. Okay, all right, that's a little weird and intrusive, but that's the purview of the federal government, immigration that they're supposed to deal with, that they're saying this person is due to be, you know, removed from the country, deported. Yeah, yeah. I'm hoping this insane era passes by pretty quickly. I just, it's, it's just nuts. Worth pointing this out too, especially if you ever watch any of the eviling evening newses. This is clip 67 here. I think it's self explanatory.

[Jack Armstrong]

The White House has put up about a hundred posters of what they say are unauthorized immigrants who have been arrested for violent crimes. You can see them there. They put them up on the driveway of the White House. If you look here, that's the West Wing just at the forefront.

[Joe Getty]

The executive Mansion itself to the left.

[Jack Armstrong]

But what's particularly noteworthy about this location is it is right directly behind the positions where TV correspondents do their hits from the White House lawn. So therefore, no matter what network you're.

[Joe Getty]

On, that includes msnbc, if you're doing.

[Jack Armstrong]

A hit from the White House right now, those pictures will be behind you. The White House doing a briefing in about a half hour about what they're doing here. Well, I find the whole hundred day thing tedious anyway. It is a pseudo event. Google it. It's a thing that was described many, many, many decades ago. The media invents a thing, then covers it like it's right, like it happened spontaneously, but they invented it in the.

[Joe Getty]

First place to be covered.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. And final note, Rich Lowry, who I find he writes for the National Review. He's actually editor in chief, I think, but in terms of reasonableness and sense of humor and fairness and the rest of it, he's about at the top of the heap, but he was writing about the whole due process question and he makes an excellent point, at least rhetorically, that Biden and company let millions of people into the country without any due process whatsoever. Just, you know, handed them a notice to appear that they will ignore completely and has changed the face of the United States. Does that mean we don't have to follow due process to get rid of people? No, no, it's. It's more difficult than that. But Rich's ultimate point in this piece is that self deportations are the way to do this. And the way you do that is through E Verify.

[Jack Armstrong]

Absolutely. If you can't get a job, you'll.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

I was in Chinatown in San Francisco over the weekend with my son. How does that still. How are there still so many people of Chinese origin? I mean, I understand, like Chinese coming to this country in 1850s and building the railroad and all those different sort of things, but how does it continue to be. I mean, so many places in. It seems people speak primarily Chinese and all the signs are in Chinese and they're. I'm just surprised that continues. There hasn't been more of a. What's the word we always use when different people come together and assimilation. I'm surprised there hasn't been more assimilation in your Chinatowns, I guess, because you don't have to.

[Joe Getty]

I know pretty well two Americans who are living in foreign lands as part of expat communities there.

[Jack Armstrong]

And so there's just no need to learn that language. You hang out with other Americans and.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, one is in a Spanish speaking land and the others in. In Thailand, but yeah, you pick up a little just to, you know, you live there, you might as well be able to say hello and good afternoon, thank you, and that sort of thing. But other than that, you live in an expat community and interesting people speak English.

[Jack Armstrong]

My other. Speaking of people coming here from foreign lands, just my favorite thing that Trump did over the weekend. I. I'm being sarcastic. He trumped this out. I'm bringing Columbus Day back from the ashes. The Democrats did everything possible to destroy Christopher Columbus, his reputation, and all of the Italians that love him so much, they tore down his statues and put up nothing but woke or even worse, nothing at all. Well, you'll be happy to know Christopher is going to make a major comeback. I'm hereby reinstating Columbus Day under the same rules, dates and locations as it had for all of the many decades before. So Columbus Day.

[Joe Getty]

I'll get a tramp stamp of Christopher Columbus because I understand tramp stamps are back too.

[Jack Armstrong]

Both making a comeback. Chris it's funny the issues that Trump jumps on bringing back Columbus Day. Okay, I don't like the woke tearing down of Columbus Day statues. Columbus Day is stupid.

[Joe Getty]

But yeah, I don't. I do not have a boat in this expedition.

[Jack Armstrong]

So yes, Joe referenced Gen Z women are bringing back the tramp stamp proudly. It's empowering them. Somehow I don't quite get that. Among other things on the way. Stay here.

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[Jack Armstrong]

I suppose we are kind of loose with the term tramp stamp with the assumption that everybody knows what it is. Probably most people in the demographic listening do. It's a. It's a kind of tattoo. Lower back tattoo just above the cleft. Could be a variety of things. Well, let me read from the On a young lady. On a young lady. Yes, Tramp stamp is a derogatory slang term. It's funny it says that right off the bat here. I. I actually gotta admit, I find them hot. But I've never. I've never been in any kind of relationship with a woman who had one. So. But any it says here tramp stamp is a derogatory slang term particularly used in the early mid-2000s, referring to a tattoo on a woman's lower back. The term carries a negative connotation. It says here associating such tattoos with promiscuity or loose morals.

[Joe Getty]

The term is here taking it all a tad seriously, but yes, go on.

[Jack Armstrong]

The label is often used to shame or criticize women who have this type of tattoo, with some attributing the judgment to media portrayals and social expectations.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Expectations.

[Joe Getty]

You're such a boo's writing this. You're a buzzkill. You're taking everything too seriously. People just say things because they're mildly clever. It will all be fine.

[Jack Armstrong]

Do you. Do you have a tramp stamp? And I say that with no judgment whatsoever. Katie.

[Joe Getty]

No, I don't.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I do.

[Joe Getty]

Well, you gotta ask Michael next. Otherwise it's misogyny.

[Jack Armstrong]

I honestly have no judgment about tramp stamps. As opposed to what I just read there. I have no judgment whatsoever.

[Joe Getty]

I don't care.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, let's. Let's hear this TV news report from today and then we can discuss the.

[Joe Getty]

Major stock market drop has given you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Flashbacks to the 2000s. This will just put you over the edge. Gen Z is bringing back the lower back tube, derogatorily referred to as the tramp stamp.

[Joe Getty]

So sorry to the Tracy's who just.

[Jack Armstrong]

Finished the last round of laser removal. It's back, Tracy.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I remember pants like that, too. Yeah. So tattoo artists say it's coming back in a big way, and it's actually a power move. For one, saying getting a lower back.

[Jack Armstrong]

Tat allows women to reclaim a negative stereotype.

[Joe Getty]

Was there a single phrase in that story that wasn't jivey bullcrap?

[Jack Armstrong]

First of all, do you have any judgment on tramp stamps, Katie?

[Katie Green]

I don't judge them, no.

[Joe Getty]

But I do remember when I was going to get my first tattoo how I was told by everyone, oh, don't get it on your lower back. That's. It was the tramp stamp or the bumper sticker.

[Jack Armstrong]

I noticed. And what. What is the famous movie Wedding Crashers Might as well be a bullseye. Is the.

[Katie Green]

Yeah, but the other one.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, the reason I bring that up. It is crass. Is. Is that there was a change there, even among women, because I know. I've known lots of women who don't have them and did have judgment about them. So it wasn't universally accepted by women as okay for a very long period of time. And then it. It made the change to where it does denote a certain personality type. Although I don't know that that's fair. Yes, Katie.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, no, I was just. This is taking me back to all.

[Jack Armstrong]

Of the things that I've heard it.

[Joe Getty]

Called, and it's not good. Perhaps we could go through those on the podcast. Well, one more thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Podcast, unless their shirt pulls up or something like that, you have to have a certain type of intimate moment to even recognize the fact that they have.

[Joe Getty]

But beach or, you know, crop top.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. The term stamp is often used to shame women, and the term perpetuates harmful cultural stereotypes about their sexuality. It does say here it's important to note that men who have tattoos on their lower backs are rarely, if ever, subjected to the same judgment or derogatory terms.

[Joe Getty]

Asking you to leave my party, you're bringing everybody down.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think I'd. I think. I think if you. I think if you're a dude and like you bent over the mini fridge to get a beer out and your shirt pulled up and everybody saw your tramp stamp, there would be judgment. I don't. I don't feel the judgment.

[Joe Getty]

Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Everybody would tell everybody, oh, my God, you know, Darren has a trip. I mean, it wouldn't.

[Joe Getty]

There'd be photos, videos.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. I like this claiming that there's no judgment for men. Nah, there would be no, just a fact.

[Katie Green]

A guy friend of mine started dating this girl and he realized she had.

[Joe Getty]

A tramp stamp and he said, oh, I can't. She's got a beer coaster. I refer to them as perdition inscriptions or prostitution illustrations. Triumph, Ted, quit taking everything so damn seriously. It's fine.

[Jack Armstrong]

It is kind of funny, though, that everything comes back in style, including things that had a very negative connotation. It's empowering, says the news story.

[Joe Getty]

Women are taking back a negative stereotype that that barbed wire tattoo across your lower back really shows power. So much horse crap. Does everybody have the time to worry about this sort of thing?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, you're not young. You're not 22 years old.

[Joe Getty]

Far from it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Stay with us. More on the way.

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[Joe Getty]

Was the first meeting between Trump and Zelenskyy since that Oval Office eruption in February. Much of the US Pressure had been brought to bear on Ukraine.

[Jack Armstrong]

But this latest meeting triggered a shift from President Trump, who now appears to be threatening sanctions against Vladimir Putin. In a post on social media, he.

[Joe Getty]

Wondered if Putin is just tapping me along and has to be dealt with differently through banking or secondary sanctions.

[Jack Armstrong]

The White House called Trump and Zelenskyy's.

[Joe Getty]

Vatican face to face.

[Jack Armstrong]

Very productive. Zelensky echoing that sentiment, saying it was.

[Joe Getty]

A very symbolic meeting that has potential to become historic.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I'd say that was something. If you haven't seen the picture, it, it looked very impromptu, like they had grabbed a couple of folding chairs and pulled them over in the corner and it was just the two of them completely alone having a conversation.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Which I think is a good thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Absolutely. Especially given, you know, Bill Maher talking about going to the White House and saying he was so different, Trump was so different than he expected him to be and how more self aware he is and how he listens so much better, blah, blah, blah. I'll bet he and Zelensky had a very real conversation.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Oh, to have a transcript of that. I'd be so interested in it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And there's a reason Trump wanted that, to be away from everybody. And anyway, so I'll read from the post that they referenced there. Very long post Trump put out over the weekend, bashing the New York Times for their coverage of this and that and everything. And then he gets to this all about Ukraine and the Russia and the coverage. This is sleepy Joe Biden's war, not mine. It was a loser from day one and should have never happened and wouldn't have happened If I were president at the time, I'm just trying to clean up the mess that was left to me by Obama and Biden and what a mess it is. With all that being said, there was no reason for Putin to be shooting missiles into civilian areas, cities and towns over the last few days. It makes me think that maybe he doesn't want to stop the war. Maybe he's just tapping me along and has to be dealt with differently through banking or secondary sanctions. Too many people are dying. That was the most forthright hint toward, okay, the different way of handling Putin is coming.

[Joe Getty]

What he said is true within without a shadow of doubt that Putin's just been tapping him along. I've never heard that expression, but, yeah, I know what he means. That's without question. Yeah. Pretending he wants a peace talk while he continues to kill civilians and gain inches of Ukraine, of course.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, and Putin announced today, probably because of this, calling for a ceasefire for May 11th through the 13th or something like that, it's some big holiday they have in Russia to celebrate the end of World War II. That they should get the most credit for winning, by the way. But he isn't going to do a ceasefire. You know, he. He called for a ceasefire over Easter and then attacked apartment complexes. So. But that's what he does, and he gets away with it a lot.

[Joe Getty]

You know, I've just gotta quibble slightly with your giving credit to Russia for winning World War II. If it were not for Hitler deciding to invade, especially in the chilly weather, months might've gone very, very differently. But anyway, true. That's not a quibble, just a good Lord, talk about your bad decisions. Yeah. I find it so difficult to figure out Trump's motives at times, especially because he's pretty mercurial and. And change his direction in a way that I find disconcerting. But if he has a hardcore humanitarian belief that the war is futile and must end because too many good people are dying, and he thinks, my one goal is ending the dying, I get putting enormous pressure on Zelensky because if you were to look at this as an independent analyst, and I've been tasked, I'm working for one of the big consulting firms, KPMG or something like that. They say, joe, we need you to put together a report on how to end this war. One of the things I would say is, the Ukrainians want to fight to the death. They are not going to end this war until they get the country back. And that's extremely illegal. And so. And I'm not arguing in favor of this. I'm just trying to understand it. So I could see where Trump would go into the process thinking the one thing I gotta do is talk Zelensky into fighting to the death, talk him out of fighting to the death until all of their ground is regained. Cause that's never gonna happen. And that's gonna be a tough nut to crack, cuz there are proud people. Might that explain his rhetoric?

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know why you have to say he started the war. That's still Looney Tunes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And he said it again over the weekend. And yet another.

[Joe Getty]

I'm trying, I'm trying.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I don't get that at all. I sure would like him to call Putin out as an evil, evil bastard, because he is. He's one of the worst people on planet Earth. And similar to Ronald Reagan saying evil empire and various things like that, you got to call out evil where you sit, where it exists. Anywho, I was listening to the Dispatch podcast over the weekend. We're fans of the Dispatch around here, and they had a really interesting conversation about Trump's worldview and politics. A couple of things that I'd never heard before. They are not Trump fans around there, but one of the things that I think David French of the New York Times brought this up, that Trump is by any definition a really good politician. I mean, I don't know how you would define good politician, but he, he got elected president twice, and that third time he ran, he lost by 80,000 votes. So, you know, with, with no experience whatsoever. So. But I think this is very, very true, that one thing Trump probably sensed throughout his business career, you know, funding all politicians of different stripes for a variety of reasons, is that these people don't actually stand up for what they believe in. They are. I don't know if cowards is fair. They're more, they're more practical. That's better than saying cowards.

[Joe Getty]

They're reptilian.

[Jack Armstrong]

They way more practical than they let on that they are. And he has made that work in the Republican Party with people, you know, who've said all kinds of nasty things about him or say they won't go along with this or that. But when it comes down to do I want to stay in office or not, they choose stay in office over whatever belief they had. And then Steve Hayes of the Dispatch weighed in with his decades of covering Washington, D.C. saying he learned over the years, a lot of these people, the stuff that they claimed they believe, they didn't believe that much. Anyway, so you got the combination of, even if I really believe something, I'd still rather keep my job than resign.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, or lose.

[Jack Armstrong]

And two, a lot of them didn't believe it in the first place. It just seemed like the best way to get elected. You know, Tea Party was hot, so I'll claim them from small, small government, but I don't actually care. I just want to be in office. And I think we would all be better off if we recognized that that was true and not, I'm not saying at all, this is just the Republican Party. I remember Lawrence O'Donnell, who I can't stand, of MSNBC, but he was, he worked in the Senate for many, many years. And I remember him saying, geez, a couple of decades ago now on Chris Matthews Show, Chris Matthews brought up the idea of these Democratic senators fighting for this or that. And Lawrence O'Donnell, who had been the behind the scenes guy at the Senate for a very long time, said, I've never seen a senator fight for anything. I said, I'm just telling you that I've never seen one fight for anything ever.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

You, you vote for it or work for it if you think it'll keep you in office, or you can do it without losing. But if it comes down to I want to stay elected, that's your choice. Always. Wouldn't we all be better off if we recognize that that's the way it works? Also, my third point, and this didn't come up in the podcast, I think this all the time. I think people throw around way too casually the idea of standing up for your principles at the risk of getting booted out of office or you should resign if you feel that way. How likely you gonna resign from your job and then all of a sudden you got no job and you gotta come up with an entire new life plan for how you're gonna make your house payment, you know, support your kids, blah, blah, blah. I mean, that's. It's way easy to save these politicians, that they should have more guts with their job when most of us would do a lot of things to make sure we don't lose our careers.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, it's even more complicated than that, I think, because if I believed in X, whatever issue you can pick one of my many jihads, if I believe in X and I'm just not able to get X done and I sense that if I keep hammering on X, I'm going to lose my office, I might really, truly believe in issue X and think, you know what, let me get another term And I'm going to keep plugging, but I got to be cool about it for now.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a very. That's true. And a very charitable view. I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

I'm saying that's just true in a certain percentage.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. I don't know how much of it is that. I think there's an awful lot of. I will just. I just. I figured out a way to get elected, and now I'm going to stay in office. That's about all I ever think about. This.

[Joe Getty]

100%. Yeah. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Which Trump understood in a way that I don't think a lot of people do. And he thought, you know, if I have. If I'm in a position where they got to go along with me or they might lose, they're gonna go along with me. And he's been right a lot.

[Joe Getty]

And if they've said horrendous things about me in the past, it doesn't matter. That means what they do.

[Jack Armstrong]

They. They may have believed that, and now they got to keep their mouth shut or they didn't believe that at the time. They were. They misread the room and thought being against me was their best option.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Or they're just a little late to the party. Either way, they're useful to me now.

[Jack Armstrong]

So much of politics is just transactional.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well. And. And the more you realize that, and the more, quote, unquote, cynical you become, the smarter you are. Because the whole scam is, I believe firmly in these things, and I will lead you because I care about you. That's the scam. Now, you got a guy like Rand Paul, he actually believes what he says. I don't know if it's a hundred percent or eighty percent or whatever, but he's a guy with a mission. Massey from Texas, he believes what he says. There are a couple of more, but just a couple. Other than that. No, they're just. They're. They're a tool to get what you want done as a voter. And if they don't get it done and they're a bad tool, try another tool. But they are not a savior.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. How many of the people who pitch fiscal conservatism or. Or, you know, let's do the Democrat side, you know, some of their, we got to help the working people or whatever the crap, it's just. That's just what they think keeps them in office. They don't. They don't think about it or care about it really at all. Be a lot of them.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah. There's fine line between or. Or a lot of gray area, I should say between just pandering, not having any beliefs and crafting what you say about your beliefs so you get a chance to stay in office and enact them someday. I mean, where does one start and the other one end? I don't know. I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

But as they pointed out, and I think it's true, Trump's great talent might be. He realized this to a level most people don't understand that these people have no convictions and staying in their job is their main priority. Times 10.

[Katie Green]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Joe Getty]

And you can good get them to dance to your tune. If you are utterly heartless about primary them or.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, right.

[Joe Getty]

Have you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. Right. It's pretty interesting. It's disgusting. Although you know the old saying, it's the worst system. Except for every other one tried, which is still true. We will finish strong.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Do.

[Joe Getty]

You have a clut cup pop?

[Katie Green]

Absolutely. I hear your pop asking for it.

[Joe Getty]

He's actually a rooster.

[Katie Green]

Thank you so much. Thank you for bringing him.

[Jack Armstrong]

What the heck? What's his name?

[Joe Getty]

Fluffy.

[Katie Green]

That's so cute.

[Joe Getty]

So I see. Copy.

[Katie Green]

Oh, my God. Nice chicken. Can I take a picture?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Katie Green]

Made my day.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hello. That made your day. That major day. Somebody being a rooster through the drive through at Starbucks. That made your day. Okay.

[Joe Getty]

A rooster named Fluffy.

[Jack Armstrong]

That made my day. Oh, my God.

[Joe Getty]

I love your hand. Oh, my God.

[Katie Green]

Chicken.

[Jack Armstrong]

The whole pup cup thing. I find the whole pup cup thing annoying. I mean, I like dogs, but just whatever.

[Joe Getty]

I would have gotten a lot more. I would have gotten a lot more joy out of that clip if the chick would have been like, no, no.

[Katie Green]

That'S not a pup. So you can have no pup cup.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. You can't have barnyard animals.

[Joe Getty]

No. We don't have chicken cups here. Star Starbucks. We have rules. We have standards.

[Jack Armstrong]

Made your day. Chicken. Made your day. Wow. All the things that could make my day. Seeing a rooster in the drive through would not be it.

[Joe Getty]

There's so many jokes that could be made about those girls going, oh my God. About a ro. All right. Wow. Well, let's roll on. It's the new Armstrong and Getty feature at women and their beverages.

[Jack Armstrong]

I leaned in to take a sip and I noticed that something hit me on the forehead. And I looked at my husband like, what was that?

[Katie Green]

And when I turned around, I saw.

[Jack Armstrong]

The snake in my margarita and I.

[Katie Green]

Just jumped away from the bar at that point.

[Jack Armstrong]

It was moving. It started wrapping around my straw. They grabbed a stick trying to get it and I was just like, please don't let it go in my purse.

[Katie Green]

Another man that was having dinner on.

[Jack Armstrong]

The Other side of the bar came and he grabbed it and took it out. I left shaking like I was traumatized.

[Joe Getty]

It's a woman who found a snake in her margarita.

[Jack Armstrong]

I gathered that.

[Joe Getty]

She there. Something hit her in the forehead.

[Jack Armstrong]

So she turned around and asked her.

[Joe Getty]

Husband what was that?

[Katie Green]

And it was a snake on her straw.

[Joe Getty]

This didn't happen.

[Jack Armstrong]

How big?

[Joe Getty]

Well, she was. She was sipping it and perhaps had her eyes closed. And then the snake leapt out of the margarita the way they do hit her somehow. You know, the way margarita will pooped her in the forehead. Her eyes being closed. She had to turn to her man.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think I'm with you, Katie. I think she brought a snake to the bar or whatever, threw it in her margarita, hoping to become a reality star or something.

[Joe Getty]

It's final thoughts. I'm strong again. It's final thoughts. It's final thoughts. I'm strong to get it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Get ready with Katie Green and Michael Angelo. It's final thoughts. I'm strong. Here's your host for final Thoughts, Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew to wrap things up for the day. There he is, pressing the buttons. Michelangelo, what's your final thought? Michael? Yeah, I'm trying to think if I had a tramp stamp, what it would say or what it would be. So I guess it would be Kirkland signature. Just, you know, wow, Affordable luxury. Michael. I hear you. Katie Greener, esteemed newswoman, has a final thought.

[Katie Green]

Katie, Michael and I are on the.

[Joe Getty]

Same page today because I just text messaged my tattoo, tattoo artist, and he's going to drop a mock Armstrong and Getty tramp stamp.

[Jack Armstrong]

I like it, except I don't think HR lets us look at it so we can't see it ever.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Too bad. Jack, final thought for us.

[Jack Armstrong]

My youngest was at boy scout camp all weekend, so my oldest and I went off to San Francisco and spent the weekend together. We hadn't done anything, just the two of us in so long, which is a crying shame. It was so freaking awesome. He's 15 and a half and he'll be gone and. Oh.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, that's beautiful. I love that. My final thought, I was looking at the reviews of this audio video company, see if I should hire him, and I noticed there's one one star review. And I went to it and it reads terrible. I purchased a used Lexus and had it delivered. Huge mistake. Paid over $4,000 for the warranty. I was guaranteed the car was in prime shape. Never do business with these people. It's like, wait a minute, a car. This is the wrong business. Google, what are you doing? Why is that review still there? It's dragging down the ratings. They're not a car dealer.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that's one of the complaints people and businesses have about the whole Google review. Yelp reviews, etc Armstrong and Getty wrapping up another grueling four hour workday.

[Joe Getty]

So many people to thank, so little time. Go To Armstrong and getty.com for the hot links for Katie's Corner. Drop us a note if there's something we ought to be talking about. Send it along to [e-mail] See you tomorrow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Gosh bless America.

[Joe Getty]

I read President Trump's book the Art to Make Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

What do we want to be, losers or winners? I want winners.

[Katie Green]

I think you're star spangled Austin. So good.

[Joe Getty]

You know what?

[Katie Green]

Everyone knows it.

[Joe Getty]

So let's go out with a bind. But it needs a name. The beaver pox or raccoon flu or I don't know, pigeon fever. I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, I like beaver pox.

[Joe Getty]

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