We Were Probably Better Off As Apes

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "We Were Probably Better Off As Apes"

Date: January 9, 2026

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode centers on contemporary social conflict and chaos, the psychology behind radical activism, and the challenges of modern society—suggesting, sometimes with tongue-in-cheek resignation, that "we were probably better off as apes." The hosts, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, examine recent news headlines, the legacy of technology like the iPhone, the assassination of James Garfield, the rise of conspiratorial thinking, the dangers of larping (live action role-play) in activism, and the way media presents complex events. The conversation flows from incisive social commentary to personal anecdotes, with their trademark humor and skepticism.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Opening: Conflict and Chaos as General Manager

• The show comedically frames "Conflict and Chaos" as the day’s “general manager,” reflecting ongoing social and political tumult.
  • [02:45] Joe Getty: "Conflict and Chaos."
  • [02:47] Jack Armstrong: "Oh yay."
  • [02:55] Jack Armstrong: Jokes about NFL chaos as a metaphor.

2. NFL and Sports as Social Microcosms

• NFL playoffs and college football are used to highlight unpredictability and social dynamics.
  • [03:13] Jack Armstrong: "More fun to watch NFL Wild Card weekend… anyone could win."
  • [04:08] Jack Armstrong: Special Indiana quarterback, “a positive energy guy or leadership person or something."
• Segue to cultural aspirations: Used to dream of being president, now, “God, no. Why are you threatening me?” [04:23] - Joe Getty

3. Lessons from History: Garfield’s Assassination

• The Netflix series "Death by Lightning" sparks a discussion about President Garfield’s reluctant rise and political intrigue.
  • [05:19] Jack Armstrong: Garfield had “no interest in being president.”
  • [05:33] Joe Getty: "They were terribly divided, and there were 37 ballots… Garfield’s a pretty good guy. And he’s like, ‘what the hell are you doing?’"
• Comparison to the Brown University shooter—both characterized as “sad, pathetic losers who blamed everyone else for their failures.” [06:09] - Joe Getty

4. Psychological Roots of Political Violence & Conspiritualism

• Historical assassinations often perpetrated by isolated, mentally unstable individuals rather than true ideologues.
  • [07:02] Joe Getty: "To make them the big, big man they had always believed they were and that the world wasn’t recognizing."
• Joe introduces “conspiritualism”: The convergence of conspiracy theories and spiritual belief as coping mechanisms amid trauma.
  • [07:54] Joe Getty: "It’s frequently an elaborate coping mechanism… oh my God, it snapped my head back."

Notable Quote:

"We were probably better off as apes. The human brain got too big, too complicated, too prone to going off in wacky directions. So back to the trees. That’s my rallying cry."
— Joe Getty [08:08]

5. Technology’s Double-Edged Sword: The iPhone’s Anniversary

• Reflection on 2007 launch of the iPhone as a turning point—both progress and social destruction.
  • [14:08] Jack Armstrong: "Held up a little heavy weird looking gadget called the iPhone. And man, did that change everything."
  • [14:26] Joe Getty: "Thanks, Steve. In many ways for the worse."

6. Protest Movements, ICE Incident, and LARPing

• News headlines covered: Minneapolis ICE shooting, Iranian protests, U.S. actions in Venezuela, and oddities (pizza-induced auto-brewery syndrome; Madonna’s ad).
  • [15:02 – 20:22] Katie Green headlines + reactions.
• Deep dive: Minneapolis ICE shooting involving Renee Goode and the psychology of activists who see themselves as heroes but fail to grasp real-world consequences.
• Joe explains the concept of LARPing—many activists are acting out a role with little appreciation for actual risk.
  • [21:13] Katie Green: "Study finds drunk from pizza rare auto brewery syndrome…"
  • [21:57] Jack Armstrong: "LARPing is the acronym for Live Action Role playing."
  • [22:00] Joe Getty: "Yeah, essentially. Well, yes, yes, essentially what they’re doing."

Notable Quote & Excerpt:

“You start to believe you’re a hero, you’re the main character. Then you convince yourself to do something really dumb… They draw their guns and the LARP crumbles. You’re not that person. This is real life and those are real guns.”
— Joe Getty reading a Twitter essay on radicalization and the ICE shooting [29:55]

7. Critique of Media Coverage & Narrative Gaps

• Hosts highlight how legacy media omits crucial context in controversial events: i.e., the role of crime and immigration enforcement in Minnesota, and one-sided street interviews.
  • [35:54] Jack Armstrong: "Why wouldn’t you give that context to America?"
  • [36:07] Joe Getty: "…they gave this one young black kid on the street, like, quote after quote after quote, who declared… the arbiter of what’s right and wrong."
  • [37:12] Joe Getty: "The percentage of Americans who would agree with apprehending illegal immigrants who rip off the taxpayers would be closer to 88% than half the country."

8. The Dangers of Perpetual Belligerence

• Joe cautions that constant aggression—whether in politics or activism—alienates those who might otherwise support you.
  • [37:25] Joe Getty: "What is your goal? If your tactics don’t fit your strategy, they’re bad tactics. If your strategy is to change minds… never ending belligerence is not going to help."

9. Generational Shifts & Hope for the Future

• Despite skepticism, Joe expresses hope: Gen Z may actually be more willing to cut down on screen time than earlier generations. [40:15-40:30]

10. Philosophical Reflection: Manipulation & War

• Joe shares a quote attributed to Hermann Göring at Nuremberg about manipulating the public toward war by stoking fear and denouncing dissent as unpatriotic.
  • [41:06] Joe Getty: “All you have to do is tell them they’re being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism. Works the same way in any country.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On mental health and radicalization:
  "The shooter at Brown University… essentially he was one of those sad, pathetic losers who blamed everyone else for his sad, pathetic life… the guy who shot Garfield… very much the same guy."
  — Joe Getty [06:09]

• On modern politics:
  "We’ve got some disgusting politics now, but there’s a lot less taking people into alleys and beating the money out of them."
  — Jack Armstrong [09:25]

• On LARPing and activism:
  "No one in this woman’s life told her she’s on a retarded, destructive larp. She was encouraged by her peer group...and now she’s dead. A horrible case of Internet radicalization."
  — Joe Getty (paraphrasing a Twitter essay) [30:47]

• Sarcastic riff on celebrity culture:
  "How could anything turn your life more upside down, even when you’re already wealthy and famous, than getting engaged to Taylor Swift? Holy crap, that would put you into a new world."
  — Jack Armstrong [10:45]

• On technology’s unintended consequences:
  "Held up a little heavy weird looking gadget called the iPhone. And man, did that change everything… In many ways for the worse."
  — Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty [14:08-14:26]

• On generational change:
  “[Gen Z] is more likely to cut down on screen time than us Gen Xers or Millennials on their own.”
  — Jack Armstrong [40:15]

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Segment Timestamps

• [02:45] – “Conflict and Chaos” theme, football as metaphor
• [04:08] – Leadership and younger generation, aspirations
• [04:54 – 06:36] – Garfield assassination and parallels to modern violence
• [07:19] – “Conspiritualism” and coping with trauma
• [08:08] – “We were probably better off as apes.”
• [14:08] – iPhone anniversary reflection
• [15:02 – 22:03] – Katie Green’s headlines, commentary, concept of LARPing
• [24:13] – Mishap with "clips of the week," team banter
• [29:55 – 31:14] – The anatomy of radicalization and LARPing in activism
• [35:54 – 37:17] – Criticism of media coverage on ICE shooting
• [40:15] – Gen Z, screen time & optimism
• [41:06] – Göring quote on war manipulation
• [43:24] – Mailbag banter
• [End] – More ads, outro banter

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Episode Tone & Overall Flow

The tone is irreverent, skeptical, and conversational, marked by frequent humorous asides even amid serious discussion. Jack and Joe alternate between deep dives—sometimes philosophical or psychological—and playful mockery of current events, public figures, and themselves.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode is a cross-section of Armstrong & Getty’s trademark mix of cultural skepticism, historical perspective, and cutting wit. The show ranges from news headlines to the psychology of modern activism (with a strong focus on LARPing and Internet-induced radicalization), commentary on how the media distorts complex events, and the existential dissatisfaction of modernity. If you want to understand why the hosts joke "we were probably better off as apes," this episode lays it all out: humanity’s progress is as much a burden as a blessing, and in the chaos of our times, everyone—from cable news to street activists—seems a little lost in the LARP.

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Further Listening

For those intrigued by the analysis of social movements, media criticism, and generational change, further Armstrong & Getty episodes often expand on these topics with news-driven urgency and comedic flair.

Transcript

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[Joe Getty]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio.

[Jack Armstrong]

Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center.

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Live from Studio C, Senor, A dimly lit room deep within the bowels of the Armstrong and Getty Communications compound.

[Joe Getty]

And hey y'. All.

[Jack Armstrong]

Today we are under the tutelage of our general manager.

[Joe Getty]

Conflict and Chaos.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh yay.

[Joe Getty]

Oh goody.

[Jack Armstrong]

Thanks for that.

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Oh boy.

[Joe Getty]

I was hoping they'd promote Jim from.

[Jack Armstrong]

Accounting for general manager instead of.

[Joe Getty]

Instead, they hired Conflict and Chaos.

[Jack Armstrong]

Unless you mean NFL, play a football or college football. Exactly what I meant. That's conflicting chaos.

[Joe Getty]

It's a good point. Intro chaos. But yeah, yeah, fair enough. Brightly colored uniforms.

[Jack Armstrong]

More fun to watch NFL Wild Car weekend, which is some big NFL fans favorite weekends when you got a whole bunch of playoff games going at one.

[Joe Getty]

Time and anyone could win.

[Jack Armstrong]

With the Kansas City Chiefs not in it for the first time in like a decade, it's more of a wide open on both sides sort of situation. So there you go. Very excited. Agreed.

[Joe Getty]

Great, great college football game last night. If you watched it. Miami came from behind and beat poor old Miss.

[Jack Armstrong]

So we'll play either Indiana or Oregon. We'll play tonight, which will be exciting. There you go.

[Joe Getty]

That'll be a good ball game.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I'm going to catch some of that action. I said this yesterday too, and this isn't really about sports if you're not a sports fan. The quarterback for Indiana is one of those special human beings that you run into now and then and if you haven't caught his act as a sports fan or even a non sports fan is just like a positive energy guy or leadership person or something. He's. He's either gonna be a giant NFL star or a motivational speaker or end up the CEO of Ford or something. But he is the president. He is.

[Joe Getty]

Oh yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

He is quite the dude.

[Joe Getty]

You remember when young men in America and little girls theoretically could grow up and dream of being president. That was like, in this great country you could grow up and be president. That was not a cliche, a truism in America. It was a bromide, a saying that we all knew. And now it's like, oh, God, no. Why are you threatening me?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, it's been that way for some people for a long time. I just started that Assassination of Garfield miniseries on Netflix. What's it called? About the lightning. Something about the lightning.

[Joe Getty]

Blood everywhere. Disgusting. Yeah, Death by lightning.

[Jack Armstrong]

Death by lightning. And it's about the assassination of James Garfield, which nobody knows anything about, if he even knew there was an assassination. I mean, I barely knew it. And I'm a big giant fan of presidential stuff. And this miniseries, Lays, it's about the crazy guy who shot him and about Garfield himself. And at least the way it's Garfield's portrayed in this show, he had no interest in being president.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

He goes to the convention to cast his votes for this dude Sherman to try to get him to be the nominee and somebody nominates him and then he ends up the nominee and then president. He had no interest in being president. His wife didn't want it he didn't.

[Joe Getty]

Want was one of those. They were terribly divided, and there were 37 ballots. And finally somebody said, look, everybody, like, likes Garfield. He's a good and decent man. And every faction said, yeah, actually Garfield's a pretty good guy. And he's like, what the hell are you doing? And you know what's really interesting? We didn't talk about this because the news flow's just been insane this week. The. The shooter at Brown University put out video confessions there in his storage locker where he killed himself, thankfully ending his miserable life. Unfortunately, he ended it too late. But essentially he was one of those sad, pathetic losers who blamed everyone else for his sad, pathetic life and his failures. And the guy who shot Garfield, at least as portrayed by the miniseries, very much the same guy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking last night.

[Joe Getty]

Couldn't quite get it together.

[Jack Armstrong]

Here's a very angry, sad loser who at some point latched onto a way for his suicide to happen.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, essentially, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Huh. Which, it turns out, throughout history, the more you think about it, I think, or the more you observe it, a lot of the major assassinations throughout history or terrorist attacks or whatever were perpetrated not so much by somebody with a strong ideology or like they're really going to accomplish something. They're just crazy people that needed the thing to unleash their violence on or.

[Joe Getty]

To make them the big, big man they had always believed they were and that the world wasn't recognizing. That was the Garfield case. A lot of people believe that was Lee Harvey Oswald. You know, the John Wilkes Booth thing is the exception, not the rule.

[Jack Armstrong]

Definitely.

[Joe Getty]

The dedicated ideologue.

[Jack Armstrong]

Definitely.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway, the other really, really crazy, interesting thing I've discovered in the last 24 hours, and maybe we can get into this later. We'll have to decide. There's so much to talk about is conspiritualism. These people who, for various reasons, they latch onto conspiracy. Deep, you know, deep conspiracy rabbit hole Qanoni stuff. And it exists on the left, too. Absolutely. And get a near religious attachment to it or virtually religious attachment to it. I've just been reading about that. And it's frequently an elaborate coping mechanism dealing with the trauma of their lives and that sort of thing. But, oh, my God, it snapped my head back. It was so interesting and revealing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, I really want to hear about that.

[Joe Getty]

We were probably better off as apes. The human brain got too big, too complicated, too prone to going off in wacky directions. So back to the trees. That's my rallying cry.

[Jack Armstrong]

Nobody Tunes us in, especially on a Friday, for presidential minutia. But just while it's in my mind, that Garfield show, which, by the way, I think a lot of people would like, it's really well done. It's. It's pretty good drama. Whatever.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, agreed.

[Jack Armstrong]

Was Chester A. Arthur, who, again, is just a name. I know, I know. Knew nothing about Chester A. Arthur. I knew he was a president, but knew nothing about him until this show. Was he actually a violent thug like that?

[Joe Getty]

I don't know to what extent that's true. I remember learning that he was very much a party hack and not, not really well respected as a statesman or thinker.

[Jack Armstrong]

But, boy, the presidents we always make jokes about on President's Day of being nothings or whatever turn out, at least in this show, to be pretty fascinating. It looks like Chester A. Arthur was the kind of guy that would take people in a back alley and beat them down to get the money out of them or whatever. He was like. He was like. He was like a Paulie Walnuts in the Sopranos, and he ends up vice president.

[Joe Getty]

Politics were pretty brutal back in the day.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then Garfield gets assassinated and then he's president. But, yeah. Wow, that's interesting.

[Joe Getty]

We're, We're.

[Jack Armstrong]

We've got some disgusting politics now, but there's a lot less taking people into alleys and beating the money out of them.

[Joe Getty]

Right, Right. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Let's start the show officially. There's so much to talk about today. I can't wait to talk about Iran. Very excited about what's going on there. Optimistic. Or at least we're getting to the crossroads where the Mullos are going to decide. All right, that's enough of that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, but like Venezuela, the question of what's next. The most likely answer is not terribly palatable. But more on that to come.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Joe Getty on this. It is Friday, January 9, year 2026. How did that happen? We are Armstrong and Getty, and we approve of this program.

[Joe Getty]

Well, let's begin then. Here we go. Officially, according to FCC rules, Reg's show starts at Mark. In a new episode of his podcast, Kansas City Chiefs star Travis Kelsey said that he won't make a decision about retirement for a month and added that he's, quote, just being a regular human for a couple of weeks. You know, a regular human who's engaged to Taylor Swift and contemplating retirement at 36. Just regular dude stuff. Yeah. Sitting on an enormous pile of money. But please, you can't, you know, Travis Kelce is the perfect test case for do you resent people just because they're successful? I mean, what are you going to resent about the dude?

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know. He's very likable. But what a.

[Joe Getty]

What a.

[Jack Armstrong]

How could anything turn your life more upside down, even when you're already wealthy and famous, than getting engaged to Taylor Swift? I mean, holy crap, that would put you into a new world. Hardly any human being has ever been in a Taylor Swift zone, right?

[Joe Getty]

Right? Yeah. I mean, the heart wants what the heart wants, Jack, but I'd be tempted to go looking for another skinny blonde. This is just gonna be complicated.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Anniversary today of it was on this day in 2007 that Steve Jobs did a big presentation there the Bay area and held up a little heavy weird looking gadget called the iPhone. And man, did that change everything.

[Joe Getty]

Thanks, Steve.

[Jack Armstrong]

In many ways for the worse.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Speaking of which, oh my gosh, did Peter Boghossian write a great piece entitled and here it is. Here's the title for you. The title. The reveal it all.

[Jack Armstrong]

There it is.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I'm sorry. It was Jonathan Haidt is sometime partner the Devil's plan to ruin the next Generation. If you were to say to Satan how would you ruin the next generation of humans and steal their souls? How he would do it. It will chill you to the bone. First, let's figure out who's reporting what. It's the lead story. Oh my gosh. We have plenty of time for Katie Green.

[Katie Green]

Katie all right, so let's start with the main headline here. ABC News Minneapolis ICE shooting officer involved in shooting was injured in a June incident NBC Minnesota and Portland shootings fuel protests. And then to kind of counter this New York post, Renee Good was Minneapolis quote ice Watch warrior who trained to resist feds prior to shooting.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, and the ramming of ice officers in their vehicles is going on nationwide. Ain't a joke. They're all aware of it. People are getting hurt badly. Stop it now or you might get shot in your head.

[Jack Armstrong]

Are they larping Joe had a piece for us yesterday about these people who are kind of larping until they run into reality. It's really interesting. It's changed kind of the way I look at these people also that got a lot of attention yesterday that the officer that shot her had been drugged by a car by a protester already.

[Joe Getty]

Earlier and he got what, 200 stitches?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, he got hurt and had to be for his life when that happened before. So that would have an effect on your reaction.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Katie Green]

From the Washington Post. Iranian protests and strikes escalate as leader vows state will not back down.

[Jack Armstrong]

I listened to a journalist out of Iran yesterday and they are really ramping up the protests. The opposition leader, dude, who is a crown prince of something that, that is calling for the protests every single night. People are coming out of, what is it, 110 towns, cities across Iran now that have protests in them that way bigger than any protests have been previously.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. It's an. Oh, go ahead. You add more.

[Jack Armstrong]

They shut down the. But the, the, the, the bad guys, and they are bad guys, they pulled in their security forces and are bringing in the Iranian Revolutionary Guard to try to deal with the situation. That's just like in the last 48 hours, right?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. It's such an interesting phenomenon of uprisings like this that you have to alter, I'm sorry, offer an alternative. You can't just say down with the powers that be. There's got to be an alternative to rally around. And in this case, the best they can come up with is the son of the deposed shah who had almost certainly become a figurehead in something like a republic, more of a democracy kind.

[Jack Armstrong]

Of British style, something like that.

[Joe Getty]

But you've got to have that, that figurehead. You can't just say, hey, democracy, there's gotta be a person.

[Katie Green]

From the New York Times, Trump says more US attacks on Venezuela, quote, will not be needed.

[Jack Armstrong]

No. Gay, I wouldn't think so. We grabbed a couple more Russian tankers. Russia's really mad at us. Oh, how much of this whole Venezuela thing is that? It's just like an end around on the whole Ukraine, Russia deal.

[Joe Getty]

I'd say it's an add on advantage.

[Katie Green]

From the Wall Street Journal. White House ballroom architect said a West Wing addition is under consideration.

[Jack Armstrong]

Gonna be some ballroom. Can't wait. I hope I get invited to mini.

[Joe Getty]

Balls.

[Katie Green]

From Fox News. Naked woman allegedly assaults deputy while intoxicated and claiming she was trying to be a mermaid.

[Joe Getty]

Well, try harder, sweetheart. Number one, you're on dry land. Number two, you still Got legs.

[Jack Armstrong]

The whole mermaid thing. I saw a dude yesterday on a moped. Like a cool vintage moped. I mean, this is like the hipster of hipsters. He's on a cool vintage moped. He's got a tail.

[Joe Getty]

What? I'm sorry? Tail. Or some sort of tail.

[Jack Armstrong]

The furry thing. Furry tail. Lord, I know.

[Joe Getty]

You got to look at.

[Jack Armstrong]

Look at me.

[Joe Getty]

Look at me. I'm special. Look at me.

[Jack Armstrong]

You got a tail. He had sideburns and some sort of wacky old timey hat. All right.

[Joe Getty]

This. This is bordering on old man shouting at clouds. But we need a great deal more of this in our society. Yeah, I get it. Look at me. Look at me. Look at me. Accomplish something. Then someone. Then people will look at you to all this just the virtue signaling. Look at me. I'm trans. I'm, you know, agender, whatever. Oh, look, I have a tail. Whatever. If you're 12, okay, great. I get it. But if you're a grown ass man, or ought to be, there ought to be more judgment, harsh judgment of that sort of thing. Because it's sad. Do something. Accomplish something. Learn something. Then people will pay attention to you. Not just because you dress up as.

[Jack Armstrong]

A damn fox, you weirdo.

[Katie Green]

From Page Six. Madonna strips down to lingerie and jumps in.

[Joe Getty]

Nobody asked for that. Go ahead. What else did she do?

[Katie Green]

And jumps in bed with younger lovers in new raunchy ad.

[Jack Armstrong]

I have been saying this for a long time. You got to move past the I'm sexy and people want me thing at some point. You're in your 60s. Not that you can't be sexy in your 60s, but you can't be. You can't be a sex symbol for the everyone for the masses in your 60s. No.

[Joe Getty]

How about the wise and respected elder stateswoman thing? Any really. Literally anything but look at me. Look at me spreading my knee. Nobody wants that. I know. It's time for straight talk.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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Yeah, and I have two Babylon bees because I couldn't decide. So the first one is teenager confused how parents still don't know everything. But it only took him 16 years.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's pretty good.

[Katie Green]

And then the other one is Greenland panics as Marco Rubio is seen donning heavy parka.

[Joe Getty]

I came across what may be my favorite Babylon Bee headline of the last six months or so. I don't want to paraphrase it because it's so good, but it has to do with the Minnesota Social Services ripoff scandal.

[Jack Armstrong]

Joe is going to re explain to us the larping element of these protesters.

[Joe Getty]

Really? Yeah. The poor stupid lady who got shot in the head. Just what. What are those people? What do they think they're doing? LARPing pretty well illustrated.

[Jack Armstrong]

LARPing is the acronym for Live Action Role playing.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, essentially. Well, yes, yes, Essentially what they're doing.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'd never thought about it this way before. It's pretty interesting. It's what's going on all across the country. A lot on the way.

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[Joe Getty]

You're cruel.

[Jack Armstrong]

Joe and I are about to launch into content, completely forgetting the first Friday of the new year that this is where we do clips of the week.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, right, right. And the very people who are supposed to be part of the team to present the show, instead of pointing out that fact and saying, hey, dudes, you got clips of the week. So maybe move that other feature a little. No, no, no. They just remain silent, giggling like idiots, hoping we'll screw up some team. This is. Miami wouldn't have won that game last night, so. You bastard.

[Katie Green]

Now I will say, last time this happened, there was some coordination going on behind the scenes. We were all in cahoots. I had nothing to do with that.

[Joe Getty]

I am all Michael now.

[Katie Green]

This is all Michael.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Beautiful.

[Jack Armstrong]

So it's like Aaron Rodgers offensive line knows. He thinks it's going to be a pass, but it's a run. This is hilarious.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

We're gonna get.

[Joe Getty]

Let him get wiped out by the defensive tackle. Yeah, Michael. We'll wait. We'll. We'll wait for our moment. Someday it will come and revenge will be sweet.

[Jack Armstrong]

I completely forgot that clips of the week even exist.

[Joe Getty]

I. I didn't. I just hadn't thought of it for a while. All right, so let's. We'll get to that stuff in a few minutes. It's fascinating and compelling and. Trust us. But first, let's take a fond look back at the insane week that was. It's cow clips of the week.

[Jack Armstrong]

What a great day this is going to be.

[Joe Getty]

First day. Big problems here. What she gets in the. We will replace the frigidity of rugged individualism with the warmth of collectivism.

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Families who are homeowners as well, are.

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[Joe Getty]

I think of Cuba in particular. France coming to America.

[Jack Armstrong]

Islam's coming to America. Yes, coming.

[Joe Getty]

Wait, is this going to be one day? America will become a Muslim state.

[Jack Armstrong]

Nobody's going to fight the United States.

[Joe Getty]

Militarily over the future of Greenland. One last question, Stephen. Make any sense?

[Katie Green]

Iranian protesters taking to the streets of their country.

[Joe Getty]

Iran's government is now sending out payments, payments of $7 a month to help people afford food. The United States armed forces conducted an extraordinary milit operation in the capital of Venezuela.

[Jack Armstrong]

Operation Absolute Resolve.

[Joe Getty]

This was an audacious operation. Nicolas Maduro had his chance. He effed around and he found out. And, you know, he's a violent guy. He gets up there and he tries to imitate my dance A little bit. The American people did not sign up for this kind of adventurism.

[Jack Armstrong]

So we are going to run the country. So to those of you who thought.

[Joe Getty]

This whole project was globo homo, not crazy, actually, we are under assault like.

[Jack Armstrong]

No other time in our state's history. No. Shame, shame.

[Joe Getty]

It was an act of domestic terrorism and she attempted to run an law enforcement officer over.

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[Joe Getty]

So it looked like she was impeding ICE vehicles.

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[Jack Armstrong]

First week of the year, first week back, two giant stories.

[Joe Getty]

Very, very short follow up to that. First of all, if anybody is left thinking that I, Joe Getty, was, like, being hyperbolic or paranoid in describing the social justice crowd as neo Marxists when they say we need to confiscate private property, now do you believe me? Anyway, moving along. So on the Minnesota shooting, the Minneapolis shooting, it's interesting. I think a heck of a lot of people on the right are coming together and agreeing that this poor woman, Renee Nicole Goode, is an unfortunate dupe. And it's very, very sad that she got shot, which I think is a good and healthy way to look at it. There. There are a couple of ways I'd like to frame what happened. And I think if you understand these two things, you'll really, really, really understand what happened. Number one, I mentioned it yesterday that Marxists are trained to put you in predicaments you can't win. Decision dilemmas, they call them. You taunt, you impede law enforcement until they take a swing at you. And then you post the video online and say, look at the fascist brutes we're up against. And you attempt to rally people to the cause. It's actually. It's in writing. Read Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky. It's known strategy. They do it all the time. In this case, it went way, way, way, way, way too far. This woman believed, as one writer put it, she'd been radicalized by her fellow lefty political friends that ICE are monsters that she must fight. She bought all the fascists coming into our communities to blah, blah, blah, and she imagined that she was a brave resistance fighter. Which brings us to an absolutely terrific piece that we shared late in the show yesterday. And if you've heard it before, I hope you enjoy it as much as we did. And it's very thought provoking. It's written by a gal who has an anonymous account on Twitter, but is quite smart anyway. I think a lot of radicalization happens in spaces where it's all talk, everything is hypothetical. It's easy to LARP as a revolutionary. That's live action role playing, as someone who stands against oppression. There's a lack of seriousness about it all. You start to believe the memes. You start to believe you're a hero, you're the main character. Then you convince yourself to do something really dumb like pull your car in front of police officers. They draw their guns and the LARP crumbles. You're not that person. This is real life and those are real guns. Nothing but get the hell out of here. Screams in her brain. She probably didn't see the officer standing in front of her car as she smashes the gas. The officer can't know this, of course. They don't know what she's thinking. They just know. When guns were drawn, asking her to step out of her vehicle, she slammed on the gas in the direction of an officer. They're not in a larp. Their job is real and they encounter people who want to kill them, so they fire. No one in this woman's life told her she's on a retarded, destructive larp. She was encouraged by her peer group. Viral videos of similarly lost radical LARPers getting nothing but praise online. Politicians calling the enforcement of our laws akin to Nazis, calling them illegitimate, calling them evil, telling them, telling their citizens to make their voices heard. Everyone in her life failed her. She needed someone to tell her to grow up. Instead, she had no one. And now she's dead. A horrible case of Internet radicalization.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I, I think that's really, really good. I think that describes some people I know who, who see this as all. As kind of like an online game and, well, LARPing live action role play as opposed to real. There are real laws and real consequences and real situations that people can get themselves into where people get hurt, rightly or wrongly.

[Joe Getty]

Right. I think it's revealing that her partner, lesbian partner, was screaming after the shooting. This is my fault. This is my fault. I made her come down here to be a brave revolutionary standing up to Trump's fascist forces.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that was interesting. Now none of this matters what she, you know, her lifestyle doesn't have anything to do with whether or not the cops get to shoot her in this situation or not.

[Joe Getty]

Certainly not.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, but it is kind of interesting. So she. They mentioned on the news last night, and I'm gonna rail about the CBS Evening newslette coverage last night. I mean nobody watches these newscasts so it doesn't matter that much. I, I couldn't believe how incredibly.

[Joe Getty]

Bad.

[Jack Armstrong]

A job they did of like informing America what was going on there or why. Why is ICE there? Never came up. Never came up at all. But anyway, they mentioned just offhandedly when her second husband died, she and she. After that she had had a kid, surrogate kid, adopted kid, whatever, with her lesbian partner. So she was married to two dudes before she got married to this woman.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And you know, all her other stuff. So it doesn't matter. I just as an interesting.

[Joe Getty]

She got quite the life. Yeah. And a poet said to be a fine poet. I've said many times I love poets and dreamers and artists. I just don't want them in charge. Yeah, yeah. It's sad. And for what it's worth, two things. Trump and company never miss a chance to be belligerent in a way that fires up opposition. I don't think that's smart. I think there are times for that. It's absolutely appropriate to come on strong rhetorically with action, whatever. Absolutely. But it not always. Sometimes, as in law enforcement, you need the buy in from the community to do it effectively. Any cop will tell you that. That's why good policing requires a lot of community outrage. Outreach, rather a lot of it. When the cop comes in to the hood because something's gone wrong, everybody says, oh there's Jones. Cuz Jones has been in the hood and introduced himself and said hello and stopped in the stores and stuff like that. It's an important part of policing. Never ending belligerence is not going to help this situation, even if you're in the right. And I think some of it could be toned down a little bit.

[Jack Armstrong]

Absolutely. It got no attention the day of the shooting, but because nobody wanted to, no media wanted to hear from anybody being calm, Tom Holman said, well, I think we should wait and have an investigation. Tom Holman, who's, you know, kind of famously on Fox and throwing red meat, was like the grown up that day saying we should wait for an investigation.

[Joe Getty]

But in fact he said it would be unprofessional of me to comment before all the facts are in.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my Lord, I didn't even hear that till yesterday. There were no clips of that because that's not what people want. They want the people declaring it a murder or, or, or the exact opposite. I was watching CBS News last night and it's just one newscast on a channel that like most channels, very few people watch. But they interviewed A number of people on the street, all of them with the ice, has got to get out of here. This is America, blah, blah, blah. Never even gave a wink to the other side that about half the country agrees with. And the reason that ICE is there at all, there was a giant scandal. $9 billion got stolen from taxpayers, much of it by illegal immigrants. So they upped the number of ICE agents there to try to deal with all these illegal criminals. So they come into Minnesota. That's what started this, this whole thing. But never even mentioned why federal agents would be there to try to arrest criminals. And whether or not they, you know, that still doesn't mean you get to.

[Joe Getty]

Shoot people as a cop.

[Jack Armstrong]

But you gotta have that background for some context. They presented it as just like, I don't know, they just sent in thugs for no reason to harass Minnesotans.

[Joe Getty]

Right? It's outrageous. It's sad, it's sick. I praised CBS News. I watched Tony decouple's first broadcast, and it was. It was pretty good. It was solid. It was substantive news. But it was terrible. It was egregious. Last night, they gave this one young.

[Jack Armstrong]

Black kid on the street, like, quote after quote after quote, who declared this kid the arbiter of what's right and wrong. And you made that the center of your newscast. I just. Wrong and they shouldn't be here and blah, blah. And he went on and on. We ask once again, blah. Whatever his name was, follow up interview.

[Joe Getty]

And kid, he was well into his 20s. But what? What, who cares?

[Jack Armstrong]

With this one person who clearly has no idea.

[Joe Getty]

And he would have an IQ of about 78 too, right? Why the hell is he the spokesman for Minneapolis or America?

[Jack Armstrong]

When you interview people on the street who clearly don't have the slightest idea what sanctuary city is or isn't, what law enforcement's supposed to do, the fact that we're cracking down on illegal immigration, that we have millions of illegals here and something needs to be done about it.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Why wouldn't you give that context to America?

[Joe Getty]

Well, at a point, and my only quibble with your screed, which was most excellent, was that the percentage of Americans who would agree with apprehending illegal immigrants who rip off the taxpayers would be closer to 88% than half the country.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Virtually unanimous.

[Jack Armstrong]

But that's why more ICE agents were sent in.

[Joe Getty]

Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

And then that's fine. If you then say, and we think this was an illegal shooting, that's fine, but you gotta have all that information.

[Joe Getty]

All right, My final note. I want to talk about more about the topic of never ending belligerence as a terrible strategy, both, you know, for the administration and for us as human beings. That's not how you change minds. What is your goal? What is your goal? If you're. If your tactics don't fit your strategy, they're bad tactics. If your strategy is to change minds, Michael, I know we got to take an effing break. If you make that gesture again, I'm gonna come in there and do it on your forearm. That's way out of line. That's actually threatening violence.

[Jack Armstrong]

I would say that was a little much.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, that was just awful and I apologize. I just want to finish my God dang sentence. Never mind. Go to break. It's our top priority.

[Jack Armstrong]

We've got Mailbag on the way and then there's much more to say on this topic. No doubt about it. If you want to say it, here's our text line 415295 KFTC Armstrong and.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Joe has talked hopefully about this in the past. Maybe it's going to happen. It looks like Gen Z is more likely to cut down on screen time than us Gen Xers or Millennials on their own. We can talk about that in hour two.

[Joe Getty]

First, here's your freedom hating quote of the day. Super interesting. From the Nuremberg trials, Guring was being interviewed by a journalist about war and how it's tough to drag people to war in a way because they have nothing to gain. Just getting home in one piece is all they want. And the American journalist says, well in a democracy we have Congress so it's different, blah blah blah. And he said, well, all that's well and good, but the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That's easy. All you have to do is tell them they're being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism. And exposing the country to danger works the same way in any country.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, boy, that's true. And throughout time. Have you watched that movie about that with Russell Crowe's?

[Joe Getty]

No.

[Jack Armstrong]

During. Oh, that looks so good. I want to watch it.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Mailbag sounds good. Yeah, I wish I had more time to take in all the wonderful content that exists in the world. Let's see. Mailbag.

[Jack Armstrong]

Drop us a note.

[Joe Getty]

Mailbagarmstrongandgetty.com Very quickly, I want to clean this up. We got a couple of great emails about the Venezuela Maduro thing that I didn't get to. Jim in Houston wrote, does anyone find it odd that it was easier to arrest the president of Venezuela than it was to find a single child in a Somali run daycare in Minnesota? Nah. Anyway, Owen too. I thought that was good.

[Jack Armstrong]

We're all, we're all leering about this.

[Joe Getty]

Eric El Polpo Smith in Astoria, Oregon wrote, the Fracas in Caracas, get out your maracas but keep your alpacas. Anyway, the note was pretty good too. Let's see. Ah, several people, including Stacy said, respect Mary in the hoe who worked hard to compile the end of the year lists of band names and things Jack has never done. She got shafted in 2025. This is worse than Jack not tipping the dumpster diving maid. You're right. I propose hour four of the show today. Gotta get the end of the year lists for Mary in the Hoe. Got it. I agree that with and I am completely to blame. Let's see, Robert writes a preventable death. The entire state of Minnesota probably would Only requ require 4 or 5 ICE agents if we had not allowed millions of people into our country for no good reason. Yeah, yeah. Well, you let something bad go long enough that cleaning it up is going to be hard and unpleasant. Right? How you've heard that many times here.

[Jack Armstrong]

How the hell are you going to unwind that without a lot of really uncomfortable things?

[Joe Getty]

See deficit spending. I actually got pulled last night and they asked the biggest problem. Thank you. Facing the country and gave me a list. I said none of those things. Deficit spending. Let's see. Ice Ice, baby, writes Antonio Winter. Minnesota leaders going to be charged with inciting a riot? It's a good question. Then finally, this From Big Earn McCracken, I believe had to be a UFO nom de plume of some sort. Hardly anyone's been in the position of being engaged to Taylor Swift. Come on. How about every bass player from every emo band from the years 2004 through 2018?

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a good one.

[Joe Getty]

I don't think she was actually engaged.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, I don't think she was it. They were just boyfriends.

[Joe Getty]

How about the Jonas boy?

[Jack Armstrong]

No, they were just boyfriends. I don't care. We got more on the way. If you missed a segment, get the Podcast Armstrong and Getty on Demand.

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