We'll Stop Deporting Illegals If We Can Jail Don Lemon

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "We'll Stop Deporting Illegals If We Can Jail Don Lemon"

Date: January 20, 2026
Host: iHeartPodcasts
Main Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty

Episode Overview

In this episode, Armstrong & Getty tackle some of the biggest national and international stories dominating the headlines in 2026. The hosts bring their trademark irreverent humor and sharp opinions to major topics, including the ongoing political chaos around Donald Trump's presidency, the controversy surrounding immigration crackdown in Minnesota, the unexpected sports triumph of Indiana’s college football team, and a contentious protest led by Don Lemon. They also weigh in on media coverage, political strategies, and societal divides, all with a blend of satire and seriousness.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Recap & Reaction: Indiana Football’s Miraculous Season

• [03:03–08:20]
  The show opens with an animated discussion of Indiana’s unexpected college football championship, placing it among legendary sports underdog stories.

  • Armstrong describes the emotional high:
    “It's one of the greatest sports stories in the history of sports... It's that amazing. There'll be movies made, guaranteed in my lifetime.” (Jack Armstrong, 03:24)

  • The team had no blue-chip players or superstar coach, making their achievement more astounding.

  • Getty’s realistic take:
    Points out the complexities and oddities of the transfer rules and college football's changing landscape.

  • Memorable moment: Amused banter about the coach's Spock-like deadpan reactions even during dramatic plays.

2. Global Mayhem: Trump, Greenland, and Trade

• [09:06–11:26]
  The hosts pivot to President Trump’s latest foreign policy escalation—threats of tariffs and military action aimed at pressuring Europe to cede Greenland to the US.

  • Getty’s skepticism:
    “It feels like something that's falling apart.” (Joe Getty, 11:03)
  • Discuss whether “chaos is the plan” or just a result of Trump’s unpredictable strategy.
  • Reference to Macron and other EU leaders, Trump’s “tariff diplomacy,” and speculation over future moves.

3. News Headlines & Quick Reactions

• [13:52–18:05] Katie Green runs through the day’s headlines, sparking rapid-fire commentary:
  • Greenland in the news: Global reaction to Trump’s policy moves.
  • Aid to hiding immigrants: Minnesota volunteers delivering groceries as ICE crackdowns increase.
  • Iran eases internet bans after violent state crackdowns.
  • China’s record low birth rates: Discussion of demographic decline and failed pronatalist policies.
  • Sports item: Buffalo Bills fire head coach.
  • Odd news: A coyote swims to Alcatraz.
  • Humor: Minnesota’s new "state bird" per satirical Babylon Bee— "Screaming Lesbian".

4. Minnesota in Crisis: Immigration Crackdown, Protests, & Political Fallout

• [18:47–28:41]

  • Situation in Minnesota grows tenser:

    • Active duty troops on alert; ICE agents detaining suspected illegals; tense standoffs with protestors

    • Armstrong’s insight:
      "You let a bad situation go too long and that you let 15 million people come into your country illegally and people decide we want them out... It's going to be an ugly process..."
      (Jack Armstrong, 19:37)

    • Getty compares it to untreated dental problems: "...the longer you wait, the bigger it gets, the more painful the solution..." (Joe Getty, 19:57)

    • Debate over public officials’ rhetoric:
      They criticize Governor Waltz for previously calling ICE “the Gestapo” and now urging calm.

    • Clip analysis: Protestors block ICE from arresting a child sex offender.

      • Getty’s frustration: “Insane.” (Joe Getty, 21:45)

    • Deeper divide: The hosts argue that many progressives fundamentally oppose deportations, regardless of legality.

      • Getty:
        “Their worldview is so completely different... They’re not comfortable with borders and restrictions and rules...” (Joe Getty, 23:37)

    • Fear of escalation:
      Armstrong and Getty warn of a potential for "bloodletting" if tensions continue.

      • Potential for violence as armed protests, government crackdowns intersect.

5. Don Lemon & Church Protest Controversy

• [27:15–30:17]
  • Background: Don Lemon joins protestors who storm a church service in Minneapolis; bases actions on the First Amendment.
  • Armstrong and Getty’s take:

    • Both find Lemon’s actions offensive and counterproductive.

      • Getty’s harsh rebuke:
        “He is a disease, Don Lemon.” (Joe Getty, 29:09)

      • Armstrong:
        “This is what the First Amendment looks like. Storming into a church and disrupting the service so that they can't have their service... F you, dude.” (Jack Armstrong, 29:49)

    • Tongue-in-cheek proposal:
      “We'll stop deporting illegals if we get to jail Don Lemon for the rest of his natural life.” (Joe Getty, 30:03)

      (Leads to darkly comic banter about "shuffling Don Lemon off to El Salvador.")

6. Media & Social Commentary; Division in Politics

• [31:39–32:31]

  • Escalation of rhetoric: Bemoan the absence of good-faith debates, replaced by "going for the kill shot."

  • Getty's view:
    "I picture people having brought the country down into smoldering ruins on their deathbed, saying, yeah, but I owned the libs and drank their tears." (Joe Getty, 32:07)

  • Brief Mailbag: Listener emails address welfare, socialism, and anticipated revelations about MLK's life.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Sports Exuberance

• “It's one of the greatest sports stories in the history of sports... It's movie-making stuff.”
  Jack Armstrong, 03:24

• “He's either a genius or a madman... no facial expressions always. Like he's Spock from Star Trek.”
  Jack Armstrong, 05:27–05:42

Immigration Debate

• “You let a bad situation go too long... It's going to be an ugly process to get them out. There's just no getting around it.”
  Jack Armstrong, 19:37

• “The longer you wait, the bigger it gets, the more painful the solution is going to be.”
  Joe Getty, 19:57

• “Their worldview is so completely different... they're very uncomfortable with setting... boundaries here or we're going to have chaos.”
  Joe Getty, 23:37

Don Lemon, Protests & the First Amendment

• “He is a disease, Don Lemon.”
  Joe Getty, 29:09

• “This is what the First Amendment looks like. Storming into a church and disrupting the service... F you, dude.”
  Jack Armstrong, 29:49

• “We'll stop deporting illegals if we get to jail Don Lemon for the rest of his natural life.”
  Joe Getty, 30:03

Societal Division

• “We're the person that goes for the kill shot in every argument. And then you can't have a discussion at all...”
  Jack Armstrong, 31:39

• “...having brought the country down into smoldering ruins on their deathbed, saying, yeah, but I owned the libs and drank their tears.”
  Joe Getty, 32:07

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Indiana Football Story: 03:03–08:20
• Trump, Greenland, and Tariffs: 09:06–11:26
• News Headlines with Katie Green: 13:52–18:05
• Minnesota Immigration Crisis: 18:47–28:41
  • ICE Agents & Protestors Clash: 21:10–22:31
• Don Lemon Church Protest & First Amendment Debate: 27:15–30:17
• Escalation of Political Rhetoric: 31:39–32:31

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Tone and Style

The episode is marked by the hosts’ sharp wit, frequent satirical jabs, and willingness to mix humor with serious concern. Armstrong & Getty critique both the right and left, resist “utopian” thinking, and lament the coarsening of public discourse. The atmosphere often veers from comically exasperated to genuinely worried about the country's direction.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode showcases Armstrong & Getty's ability to inject humor and biting commentary into the week’s most heated political stories. From unlikely sports heroes to high-stakes immigration showdowns and farcical political strategies, the hosts emphasize the cost of escalating rhetoric and wish for cooler heads to prevail—even as they can’t resist a few more jokes at Don Lemon’s expense.

Transcript

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty. And now here. Here's Armstrong.

[Jack Armstrong]

Live from Davos, Switzerland at the World Economic Forum. It's the Armstrong and we're not there.

[Joe Getty]

I wish. Moving and shaking. We're not there. Manipulating, etc.

[Jack Armstrong]

Is under the assumption we would be there. Now we're in our regular studio. Okay, that caught me by surprise.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. My private jet blew a tire on takeoff and we had to abort.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Needed an oil change, so I thought best not go having jet troubles. Dimly lit room, that's where we are. Deep within the bowels of the Armstrong and Getty communications compound. And today kick off a new week here. On Tuesday, we're under the tutelage of our general manager.

[Joe Getty]

An idea on air meeting discussing this with the crew before your arrival. Instead of a general manager, we start giving the show a title.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

For instance, today's title would be Greenland with envy or who's your daddy? Which. And it's funny that just the choice of titles amused me. I couldn't figure out why for a second that I remembered. That's the old Bullwinkle cartoons.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Every.

[Joe Getty]

Every episode would have like an optional title. 2. 2 options.

[Jack Armstrong]

I need to write that down so I remember it because that's good. I like that. The title of the show today.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, we'll. We'll talk about it. Anyway, if we were going to have a general manager, it would be Donald G. Trump and the G stands for Greenland.

[Jack Armstrong]

I couldn't get to sleep last night because Joe has talked about this for many, many years. He's the first person that put this on my radar, really the only person that's ever put this on my radar. That if you're rooting for a team and they win, your testosterone goes up. All kinds of like body, physiological changes.

[Joe Getty]

Happen, your brain changes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And I, like much of America, was rooting for Indiana last night because it's one of the greatest sports stories in the history of sports. As I was reading all the articles last night, every article talking about Indiana going undefeated this year, winning college football championship is up there with the Miracle on ice, the amazing 69 Mets, and pretty much nothing else as the greatest sports stories in American history. And I wish that I got on the bandwagon earlier. I'm glad I joined it when the college football playoffs started. But it's just, it's stunning. It's like, you know, it's a movie, it's movie making stuff. There'll be movies made guaranteed in my lifetime. There'll be movies about this, documentaries, books. It's that amazing. And anyway, I got my testosterone all raised up and I was reading articles about it and watching replays and I just couldn't go to bed.

[Joe Getty]

I just love Indiana.

[Jack Armstrong]

There you go.

[Joe Getty]

Another, another big fan there.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hillary Clinton, Die hard.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

And it's, it's just such an amazing story. Here's one little nugget in case you didn't know it. If you never, if you didn't get into this whole story during the season and a lot of people did just little by little as it went along. It's the worst program, college football program in the history of college football, like statistically losing. The very worst.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And they had no five star blue chip or whatever players on the team. Zero. Most times you win championships, you got a whole bunch, you got like a bunch of them from the whole country. They didn't have one of your gazillion dollar, high profile coaches that for the last 20 years you got to have. There's like three coaches you got to have if you want to win a championship. They get this guy. He's a Division 2 coach. He's had some really low ranking Division 1, no credibility whatsoever. He couldn't recruit or anything like that. They hire him two years ago, just two years ago, season before last. They have the big assembly for people who showed up and he said, I win. Google me. Purdue sucks, Ohio State sucks. And we're gonna beat all those Teams and the crowd went wild. They're like, what is this guy talking about? Wow.

[Joe Getty]

He's either a genius or a madman.

[Jack Armstrong]

And he's so kooky. Zero facial expressions always. No matter what happens, they, they, they get a kickoff return for a touchdown or they return a kickoff for a touchdown. He has exactly the same facial expression like he's Spock from Star Trek.

[Joe Getty]

I know, it's abso. Hilarious. And also like Spock. I remember something crazy happened during the game last night and. And they go to a shot from perfectly dead pan. Just raises his eyebrows.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that's.

[Joe Getty]

That was his.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's his only facial expression. Every now and then if something super excited, he'd raise one eyebrow.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

What an odd human being.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then their Heisman trophy winning college quarterback who will play clips of later who's just one of the, the most unique human beings ever. He practically breaks down crying after every game with his love for God and his players and just the moment and getting to be alive and it's just, it's. The whole thing is just interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Where do I get a tablespoonful of that?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, no kidding. No kidding. Just Mr. Gratitude and just flows out of him and it's just quite.

[Joe Getty]

Michael's like that after most shows.

[Jack Armstrong]

Really. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Falls to his knees with gratitude that he could be part of it. Every single show.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then it was also because so many people jumped on the bandwagon. It was like even though the game was in Miami, Florida or Indiana was playing Miami. Even though it was in Miami. It should have been a home game for Miami. It was a home game for Indiana. There were so many people there in the crowd from Indiana. It was just thunderingly loud when, when Miami was trying to pull off a play and God, what an amazing sports story. It'll never happen again in my lifetime. So I wish I'd gotten on it earlier. But what are you going to do?

[Joe Getty]

Here's where I ruin it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Watching your game, which is your thing. Oh yeah, that's.

[Joe Getty]

That's how I amuse myself. No, it was a wonderful game and a great story and absolutely everything you've said was true. But there were a couple of times, and this happened several times during the college football season where the announcers have mentioned that they gave Jones big money to come over from Georgia and blah blah, blah. And every player's like on his third college depending on who made him the best deal. And I was just thinking, what am I watching here?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it's.

[Joe Getty]

It's like the AAA baseball world series or something. It's guys trying really, really hard to win, which is always good and always exciting. It's part of mankind. I love sports, but college football's in a weird. What is this? Period?

[Jack Armstrong]

This might be their. I wondered. I was wondering this as I was watching this whole thing unfold over the last several weeks, if this is, like, their last thing for college football. Because it's gotten so strange with the. Because this story superseded the weird conference thing that's going on and all the other different stuff that they're. They're, like, attempting to blow themselves up. It was big enough to. To. To overcome that. But, yeah, movies made. They'll have to come up with star to play the quarterback.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, a handsome devil. Tall, rangy, handsome devil who got the.

[Jack Armstrong]

Crap beat out of him last night. No flags. No flags. They just got the crap beat out of him. LAUGHTER the play's over, but bam.

[Joe Getty]

No flags.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know what was going on there.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, the refs were letting them play that night, Jack. But I talked to a couple of my friends who are hard, hardcore college football fans. I mean, they can, like, name every coach and every quarterback in the sec, that sort of thing. And they say, yeah, it's gotten really weird. We don't know what's going on. But they're still big fans. So is it pro football? Is it like Triple A? Is it. I mean, there's nothing wrong with colleges sponsoring a minor league NFL team. But anyway. And then you would have sporting.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then there would have been nobody that could have named that coach or those players at the beginning of the season because.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Who knew? And it's also. Well, that. That's enough of that. What is Trump doing? Actually, that's what McCrone said to him yesterday. Some of the. There are a number of texts that came out over the weekend, texts and tweets that we'll read a little bit later. But one of them, from Macron to Trump, was, what are we doing here?

[Joe Getty]

Wow, that's a good one.

[Jack Armstrong]

Which is a pretty good question of what. What is. What is happening here as Trump continues to threaten military action against Europe to get Greenland back. And they're all meeting in Davos, Switzerland, today. Trump's flying over there and first step is tariffs on all our European friends, NATO allies, to try to get them to go along with giving over Greenland.

[Joe Getty]

You know, I think I have the answer to your question, but it's not good.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then this morning, Trump was told as he was getting on the plane, we'll play that clip later. But he was getting on the plane and he was told macron friends, Macron says he's out of the whole peace commission in Gaza. And Trump said, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then said, that's all right, I'll put 100%, 200% tariff on his wines. That'll bring him around. So what.

[Joe Getty]

Calling the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court, please report to the White House. Supreme Court.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, well, that's one thing the Supreme Court does need to get that ruling going over whether or not Trump can do this whole tariff thing because that's.

[Joe Getty]

So called emergency power tariffs.

[Jack Armstrong]

That would solve part of it, but.

[Joe Getty]

Create a whole new set of problems.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, we got to read to you. We'll get to it soon. The, the back and forth texts from Trump and the guy who runs Norway and Trump saying, well, you didn't give me the.

[Joe Getty]

No.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, Nobel Prize, Nobel Prize. So I no longer care about that. That's a way for an adult actor.

[Joe Getty]

It feels like something that's falling apart.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know. Or it's a strategy or Ian Bremmer.

[Joe Getty]

Strategy is so bad it will cause things to fall apart.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ian Bremmer said last night, and he might be right. He said somet when Trump has gone down a road and realized this and working, he just stops talking about it and it goes away. And he's wondering if maybe that'll happen this time because sometimes he does that.

[Joe Getty]

It's a good point.

[Jack Armstrong]

It'll just. You just won't hear about it again. Yeah, like, oh, okay, never mind. Shouldn't have said that. Wait a minute.

[Joe Getty]

I thought we were going to burn this whole m effort down to it. No, never mind. Okay, never mind.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yep. Let's start the show. Officially, I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Joe Getty on this. It is Tuesday. We took yesterday off. I think we earned it. January 20th. It's the one year anniversary of Donald Trump becoming President of the United states for the second time. The year 2026, where Armstrong, you get in.

[Joe Getty]

We approve of this program aging in dog years. Anybody else? All right, here we go. Officially, according to FCC rules, regulations. Here we go. Snapping the ball at mark. Gotta get to the eight. He's gonna take off and run. Mendoza waves his way first and go diving toward the end zone. Touc. That's why he won the Heisman Trophy.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's why he won the Heisman Trophy. That was quite a play. And. Got the crap beat out of him on that one too.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, my Lord. Yeah. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

I Thought he might not be able to come back.

[Joe Getty]

But I have a friend, old fella, lived and died. Indiana football for the last. Oh, really? Wow. No kidding. Mostly died. Yeah. And I better check on his well being this morning to see whether he's died of happiness. Overn.

[Jack Armstrong]

I was talking to a woman over the weekend and she was wearing an Indiana hat and I said, have you always been an Indiana fan or did you just get on the bandwagon? She said my son goes there just coincidentally and one of his, his roommate is one of the players and you know, he wasn't expecting it. Okay, interesting. You know our, our eighth tier football team, one of the players is my roommate. He didn't know it was going to turn to one of the biggest sports stories of all time. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Something Purdue sucks, Ohio State sucks. What an interesting way to approach your job. We got Katie's headlines on the way and lots of good stuff today. We'll catch you up on the news from the weekend.

[Joe Getty]

Stay here. Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

I guess the question is, is there a strategy here, is there a bigger global strategy here that we're missing? And I've got a couple of theories.

[Joe Getty]

Weak theories, so maybe we will berate you for that, maybe talk about that later. Something to look forward to. Hey, let's figure out who's reporting what. It's the lead story with Katie Green. Katie, hit it.

[Katie Green]

All right, all the major networks talking about Greenland, starting with NBC, Trump shares texts from leaders and vows, quote, no going back on Greenland. Abc, EU leaders talk coordination over Greenland as Trump readies for Davos meetings and cnn, the President criticizes, quote, great stupidity of UK and shares Texas from Macron ahead of Davos meetings.

[Jack Armstrong]

We'll have to give this full shrift later, but is there any chance this works? That the Danes and European leaders pressure the Danes and ultimately everybody just says, okay, Greenland belongs to the United States. Is there any chance that happens?

[Joe Getty]

Well, yes, I think it's slim, but the follow up question is at what cost?

[Katie Green]

From the New York Times, volunteers in Minnesota deliver groceries so immigrants can hide at home.

[Joe Getty]

Wow, there is so much going on there. Can't wait to get into it.

[Katie Green]

From Reuters. Iran to consider lifting the Internet ban while the state TV is hacked.

[Joe Getty]

Oh yeah, that was delicious. Somebody hacked the state TV network and ran pictures of the OR video of the Crown Prince saying, you know, don't turn your guns on your own people. Stop it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, protect them. Yeah, there are some details that came out of the slaughter from last week that we'll get into Later.

[Joe Getty]

Just absolutely brutal.

[Jack Armstrong]

Who knows how many thousands. And pons. Thousands of people were murdered in the street.

[Joe Getty]

Well, that's why they're easing up on the Internet. No, we slaughtered them with bullets.

[Jack Armstrong]

We're good now.

[Joe Getty]

You can turn the Internet back on. All right.

[Katie Green]

From the Wall Street Journal. China's birth rate sinks to record low.

[Jack Armstrong]

Stunning. We're going to get to watch that. They're already, you know, the second biggest country in the world. Started the century as the biggest country in the world, and I wonder how far they'll slide. The spiral of population really takes off exponentially, like after a generation or so.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah. And I don't want to sound like a quitter or anything. Indiana would never let me on their team as a quitter. But there is not a single government policy that's shown any serious promise for increasing birth rates.

[Jack Armstrong]

And it almost shouldn't. I don't. I don't know that any policy should be the decision maker for whether or not you decide to have a kid and raise it.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

You either want to or you don't. The fact that people don't want to is the story.

[Joe Getty]

Right. And if there were incentives so amazing, people would go ahead and have kids for those incentives. They shouldn't be having kids. Right, Exactly.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's my point. Yeah.

[Katie Green]

From ESPN, Bill's Fire head coach Sean McDermott. After nine years with the team, now the total of coaches fired is 10.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. The players are not happy about that as a crazy. Seems like a crazy move to me, but whatever.

[Katie Green]

From the New York New York Post. Wayward coyote stuns tourists by becoming the first ever to swim to Alcatraz.

[Jack Armstrong]

A coyote swam to Alcatraz.

[Katie Green]

A coyote swam.

[Joe Getty]

Tourists were watching.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Oh, damned. I was just there on the pier looking at Alcatraz two weeks ago with my kids looking at the seals, and that's a long way.

[Joe Getty]

Well, looking at the seals and thinking about, could I swim that? Could anybody swim that? Did those guys survive?

[Jack Armstrong]

What if I were a coyote? Could I swim that?

[Joe Getty]

I thought.

[Katie Green]

Wow, isn't that amazing?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Katie Green]

Study finds the average American hits the daily energy slump at 2:06pm hmm.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm more. I'm more of a 106 guy. Maybe I'm on a different time zone, but, yeah, I hit a slump. No doubt.

[Katie Green]

And finally, the Babylon B Minnesota changes its official state bird to Screaming Lesbian.

[Joe Getty]

Beautiful plumage.

[Jack Armstrong]

The screaming lesbian.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, geez, there's a lot. I'm getting an update in my ear. Oh, the coyote was shot on site because you can't have coyotes at a tourist trap. Oh, that's too bad.

[Jack Armstrong]

A lot of Minnesota stories over the weekend, including people storming a church in the middle of services. That seems like a bad PR move.

[Joe Getty]

Accompanied by human disease. Don Lemon.

[Jack Armstrong]

We got Greenland, we got that, we got lots of stuff. So I hope you can stick around if you miss this. Like I might get the podcast.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong Getty. 1500 active duty soldiers are on alert for possible deployment to Minnesota. Those troops just on standby for now. The city of Minneapolis remains on edge.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, things did not. I don't know if you're paying attention over the holiday weekend, but things did not calm down a bit in Minnesota. If anything, they got hotter with people storming a church and more ICE agents grabbing illegals and asking some citizens for their papers. All, you know, US citizens for the papers. I heard a good. I was listening to the National Review podcast over the weekend and they made a good point about this whole thing. And then we'll get into some of the news of the weekend. But the, the point being, you know, the whole you reap what you sow thing, that happens with lots of stuff in your life. It happens in your life. I've done it myself. You allow certain situations to go and then there is no tidy, easy, non painful way to clean it up because you let a bad situation go too long and that you let 15 million people come into your country illegally and people decide we want them out, which like 90% of people did. It's going to be an ugly process to get them out. There's just no getting around it.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. It reminds me of once or twice in my life when I had like a cavity and a tooth and thought, oh, that'll get better on its own. No, the longer you wait, the bigger it gets, the more painful the solution is going to be. And in a situation or a kind a, an issue like illegal immigration, there are so many degrees of all right now we've got to do this and that and it just gets more complicated and impassioned. Oh, which reminds me of my favorite aspect of this. Before we get into the substance of it. Governor Waltz, one of the weakest acts in the history of American politics, calling for the president and everyone to turn down the temperature. This is not who we are. Stop this campaign of retribution. This was the same Governor Waltz who called ICE the modern day Gestapo, scooping folks off the street. They're in unmarked vans, wearing masks, being shipped off to foreign torture dungeons. No chance to mount a defense, not even a kiss a loved one goodbye. Just grabbed up by mass stage and shoved into those vans and disappeared. Well, those are fighting words, Timmy boy. Now he wants to turn down the. The temperature.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, well, for instance, you got this. Protesters on the street continuing trying to block DHS agents from getting their job done of resting illegals. 31B there. Michael.

[Joe Getty]

We're here to arrest a child sex offender, and you guys are out here honking.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, we're pressed.

[Joe Getty]

That vehicle right there is honking and.

[Jack Armstrong]

Impeding our investigations while we're trying to arrest a child sex offender. That's who you guys are protecting.

[Joe Getty]

Insane.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I wanted to play that to get to the point. The other point they made in the National Review was most of these people reminds me the gun argument. But most of these people who are claiming they're marching and protesting and blocking ICE agents because of the tactics, they don't believe illegals should be booted out at all. That's their actual belief. And it reminds me of the gun argument when people are arguing over the various intricacies of gun things. When you don't believe people should have guns is what you actually believe. You believe the Second Amendment is wrong. You just can't say that out loud. And that's what's going on in Minnesota. Almost everybody, the mayor, the governor, and almost everybody protesting, they don't believe that illegals should be forced to leave. That's their political stance, right?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, they're utopians.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's nuts. That's absolutely nuts.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I'm tempted to get off on a psychological tangent here. Yeah, Those people, they. Their worldview is so completely different than a conservative person's worldview for psychological reasons that I've been digging into lately and are both really, really enlightening and really, really scary. Because it's difficult to reason with people who see the world completely differently than you. But the one thing progressives tend to have in common is they don't. They're not comfortable with borders and restrictions and rules and. And. And they. They. They love new people and new experiences and poetry and just, it's. They're very uncomfortable with setting. Look, it's too bad, but we've got to set some boundaries here or we're going to have chaos. So you're right. I hear you say they don't believe that illegal immigrants should be booted out. And it seems so crazy. They don't just mean. Well, some of them mean just the nice people who've been working hard, but a lot of them mean anybody at all.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Because who am I to Say I can be in this country, but they can't, they can't comprehend that. No, no, no, that is okay. It's okay all over the world. And it's fine to have rules. So it's difficult, difficult to govern the country. So yeah, especially when there's so much money into whipping people up into passion as opposed to, hey, everybody keep calm. They're an American, you're an American. Or more specifically, they're a Minnesotan, you're a Minnesotan, let's talk. Everybody stay calm.

[Jack Armstrong]

So what I really hope doesn't happen, but we're screaming that direction currently is some sort of like history making bloodletting one way or another, where Kent State on steroids, where a bunch of ICE agents are ambushed or they need to defend themselves. Either way you end up with half dozen, 10 dead people. And it's really, really ugly. I mean, that could absolutely happen.

[Joe Getty]

Well, and it's even more likely to happen than I think you're proposing for a couple of reasons. And I would say old, poor Renee Goode, the woman who got shot, the hardcore leftists are happy about that. That is perfect for them. There are hardcore neo Marxists who want what you are describing. They will work as hard as they can to provoke that. That's the ultimate decision dilemma payoff for them. Then they get all the video of the bloodletting and the shooting and the, the storm trooper looking scary, military guys, blah, blah, blah. They are pushing for that as hard as they can.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, what I wish would happen is I wish the governor and the mayor would come out and say, look, you can go into our jails and get people over here illegally. And you know, you come to us and say, hey, we got an address here of somebody. This is the crime they committed. We're gonna go get them. But we don't want you going into workplaces and grabbing people who are. Their only crime is here illegally. I wish that that could happen. Can that not happen politically because of how left they are in Minneapolis? If you said go ahead and come into the jails, you'd just, you'd lose all your political power.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that would surprise me just too much.

[Jack Armstrong]

Cause that's where we need to be.

[Joe Getty]

Well, and it might be more sincere than that. What's his name? Fry, the adolescent mayor of Minneapolis with the perfect cowlick.

[Jack Armstrong]

I saw him yesterday. I'd like to know how much time he spends on getting that just right. He looks like Superman from the Superman comics. He gets it curled just in the right spot. It's all shiny with product. It is a gift.

[Joe Getty]

It's a gift.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway. Yeah. He is of the utopian sort I was describing before. The idea of cooperating at all. Well, he also. Cooperating all with the federal government in pursuit of that goal is just wrong. He can't articulate exactly why. Cuz he's a soft hat.

[Jack Armstrong]

But.

[Joe Getty]

And the other part of it is he is one of those people who believes. I believe sincerely that if the local authorities help the federal government in any way, he's bought the line that the immigrant community will no longer trust the police and they'll no longer report their rapists and that sort of thing because they'll be afraid they'll be deported. And there's really no data to support that that's happened. And, you know, if you got a rapist in your neighborhood and the feds come in and snatch him up and send them to El Salvador or something, those folks are happy about it. They're not threatened by it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Absolutely.

[Joe Getty]

Who do you think is the victim of most of those monsters?

[Jack Armstrong]

Does anybody remember who Don Lemon was? He used to have a show on cnn. Why did he have to live cnn? Didn't he have a scandal of some sort of.

[Joe Getty]

Well, he sucked in his show. Sucked, I think.

[Jack Armstrong]

Was it just low ratings?

[Joe Getty]

I don't remember.

[Jack Armstrong]

I thought he had a.

[Joe Getty]

And he harassed people. He was mean as a snake and he harassed women and he was cruel.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, here's a little of him explaining why he went into a church during services on Sunday with a bunch of protesters.

[Don Lemon]

This is what the First Amendment is about, about the freedom to protest. I'm sure people here don't like it, but protests are not comfortable. And there are. I'm looking at a young man who's in the corner. He's frightened. He's scared, he's crying. People are leaving church. If I were the pastor, I would offer a prayer. I would try to calm things down and say, listen, talk to you. We're all citizens. We're all believers and Christians.

[Joe Getty]

I think this is utterly dishonest.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think they overreached. I tweeted about this over the weekend. If I'm in charge of the resistance crowd in Minneapolis, I didn't want this to happen. We're winning. Look at all the polls. You are winning in political opinion nationwide by a lot. The country is on the side of. The ICE has gone too far now. You go into a church service in the middle of church and disrupt everybody who's just there to do their, you know, Sunday morning thing. That's not cool at all. That is not a good look.

[Joe Getty]

Well, I hear you analyzing it like you're James Carville or something, based on strategy. I'm here to judge right and wrong. That was wrong. It was ugly. It was belligerent and stupid. Don Lemon, this is what the First Amendment looks like.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Since when? So you okay with some hardcore Up With Ice guys stomping into the Unitarian Church and terrifying the nice lady who's leading the service in her rainbow stole? Are you okay with that? He is a disease, Don Lemon.

[Jack Armstrong]

He should go away.

[Joe Getty]

I'll never talk about him again.

[Jack Armstrong]

And to quote the First Amendment, the First Amendment includes the right to practice your religion, which is what they were doing. And you don't get to go in there and stop them, you nutjobs. And so now the Justice Department is looking into violations of civil rights, and we'll see where that goes. But this did not calm things down.

[Joe Getty]

Tall.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, man, that was an overreach. That was a bad move. I hate that.

[Joe Getty]

I hate it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Somebody at all.

[Joe Getty]

As somebody who actually cherishes the First Amendment, it is truly, truly annoying to hear your progressives occasionally referencing it, like, with a complete lack of understanding what it is.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is what the First Amendment looks like. Storming into a church and disrupting the service so that they can't have their service. This is. Protests are supposed to be uncomfortable. F you, dude. You know, you're looking out of line.

[Joe Getty]

You're looking for a compromise. You're looking for people to calm down and work something out. Here you go. We'll stop deporting illegals if we get to jail Don Lemon for the rest of his natural life. Okay, get Don Lemon off this, off the streets.

[Jack Armstrong]

Put him in there.

[Joe Getty]

I think we got something to talk.

[Jack Armstrong]

Put in the shorts and the T shirt. Have him bent over there in El Salvador, shuffling around in that prison.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, it'd be bent over, all right.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, no, no, no. Not. Not to start the week. We can't start the week with that.

[Joe Getty]

Sort of car by the guards.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's too much.

[Joe Getty]

The guards, the way they've been.

[Jack Armstrong]

You want to say that sort of thing Thursday, fine. But I can't enter the week with that.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

I was having a conversation with somebody over the weekend, I don't even remember now, about arguing fairly or not, and people that can and people that can't or people that always go for the kill shot. That's where we are. International discourse. We're. We're the person that goes for the kill shot in every argument. And then you can't have a discussion at all because that happens. And just. That's where we are.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And until we can stop, we're just never going to get anywhere.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. I mean, I do, I do agree with you. I, I picture people having brought the country down into smoldering ruins on their deathbed, saying, yeah, but I owned the libs and drank their tears.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Or vice versa.

[Jack Armstrong]

But I resisted Trump.

[Joe Getty]

I resisted Trump till the end and got a bunch of child rapists free on the street.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

So, yeah. Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Speaking of going for the kill shot, some of the things Trump said over the weekend about European leaders and whatnot around Greenland. So we'll get to that now. Or two. We got Mailbag coming up next, Armstrong and Getty. I'm still jacked up from last night's football game. I'm ready to run through walls.

[Joe Getty]

I hope they're, you know, sheetrock and not plaster for your sake as an older fella. So let's plunge straight ahead with our freedom hating quote of the day continu that series, you know, it's a little painful for a history buff like myself to go with Adolf Hitler of Germany. It's a lot like saying, I really like music. Stairway to Heaven is a great song. Yeah, I know. You know, everybody knows, like the most played song in his you know, when everybody wants to reference dictators or bad governance, they say Hitler. But still a case worth studying. The Third Reich blockbuster quotes all four days of this week from ah, number one, the classic make the lie big, make it simple. Keep saying it and eventually people will believe it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Adolf actually said that? I wasn't sure if he actually said that or not. Oh yeah, Guring did.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, well no, both of them did. It was. They. They were in agreement on that. So yeah, that's number one. And you see that a lot. Thomas Sowell paraphrased it and a number of people that people mistake repetition for truth.

[Jack Armstrong]

Speaking of Nazis, I watched the movie Fury over the weekend. Have you ever seen that tank movie with Brad Pitt?

[Joe Getty]

I have not.

[Jack Armstrong]

Who is that? A gritty the reality of war movie for you if you ever want one. Killing Nazis and Nazis killing you. Holy crap.

[Joe Getty]

Mailbag.

[Jack Armstrong]

Not for the.

[Joe Getty]

Stepped away from your controls. Brad Pitt had stepped away from his.

[Jack Armstrong]

Tank controls, he would have gotten killed by the Nazis. He just slapped you in the air, I'll tell you that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah Michael Old still. All right, here we go. Drop us a Note [e-mail] Portland really represent in today. Gabe and Eugene love this no representation without taxation.

[Jack Armstrong]

Baba.

[Joe Getty]

In light of your conversation about wasting taxpayer monies the welfare state, I've left no choice but to demand the following radical amendment. We've gone so far to the other extreme with the welfare state that we need to reverse the battle cry of our founding papas. Instead of calling for revolution because of no taxation without representation, we few remaining taxpayers need to fight for no representation without taxation. I boldly call for a law stating you don't get to vote yourself more benefits if you don't pay taxes and are on the government dole should not be able to vote yourself more of other people's money when you have no skin in the game.

[Jack Armstrong]

Boy, that's pretty good.

[Joe Getty]

No representation without taxation. Oh, I love that. That's awesome, Gabe. Let's see. Oh, where's Russ? In Portland. Well, that's kind of off topic. Here's the most terrifying fact in America writes Dean Gallup just reported that 2/3 of the country now hold a positive view towards socialism. Two thirds? That's roughly 220 million people which ironically is about the same number as the total worldwide deaths from socialism in the last century and a quarter or so. The late Rudolf Rummel estimating the human toll of 20th century socialism to be about 61 million in the Soviet Union, 78 million in China. And roughly 200 million worldwide.

[Jack Armstrong]

But they didn't try it properly. They didn't do it the right way. It's just.

[Joe Getty]

You just gotta tweak those.

[Jack Armstrong]

You gotta tweak it.

[Joe Getty]

We're the ones who are so wise and benevolent and kind that you give us the ultimate power to control everything and we'll do it properly and you'll love it. Let's try it one time. Come on. Who's with me? The kids are generally. Because it's fraud. Moving along. Paolo writes. I think you've mentioned that in not too many years, very unflattering information about mlk Whose Day Was Yesterday will become public a couple years away. From what I've heard, it sounds pretty ugly. It'll be a real Both Things Can Be True moment about the man question. Will those revelations become a chance to cancel him? Will the progressive left take the opportunity to denigrate him and his ideas about race as Uncle Tom? Thinking a week after George Floyd, I might have said, yes, they'll cancel him. I hope we're past that now, but I'm not sure.

[Jack Armstrong]

There was a good article over the weekend about how a lot of the left have turned on MLK and no longer dig. You know, because he wanted to race blind society. That's the opposite of what progressives want. That's. They're fighting very, very hard against that.

[Joe Getty]

Well, right. The people in charge of the movement know because that's. You've got to divide things to race to get people to attack each other and bring down the system.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. So when those. When those documents are released and I think it's in 27, I'll have to look that up. It's not too many years away. That's going to be quite the conversation about mlk.

[Katie Green]

Yipes.

[Jack Armstrong]

We got more. An hour two.

[Joe Getty]

Stay with us. Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

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