We're Going To Know You Better Than Your Proctologist

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: We're Going To Know You Better Than Your Proctologist
Date: April 14, 2026
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Producer: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This edition of Armstrong & Getty On Demand delves into the rapidly shifting situation in Iran amid U.S.-led blockades, the confusion and potential collapse of the Iranian regime, Eric Swalwell’s dramatic fall from grace, and a lively Springsteen concert review. The hosts blend international affairs, irreverent humor, and first-person anecdotes, moving seamlessly from the Strait of Hormuz to monkey civil wars, and from California politics to concert etiquette.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Iran Crisis & U.S. Blockade

• Blockade Overview:
  • The U.S. enforces a maritime blockade, affecting all ships entering Iranian ports regardless of nationality.

    “Any ship that engages with the Iranian ports. Doesn’t matter what you’re doing or where you’re from. We are interdicting.” — Jack Armstrong (03:35)

  • Military ambiguity remains about what exactly will happen if Russian or Chinese ships are involved (03:35–04:12).
• Strategic Implications:
  • The intent is to pressure Iran economically and force a return to the negotiating table, but Iran views it as a “ceasefire violation” and threatens retaliation (04:22–04:52).
  • China is rumored to pressure Iran to deescalate, but the scenario is unpredictable (05:11).
• Collapse or Survival?
  • The Iranian regime is described as disorganized and potentially leaderless, with the new supreme leader, Mustafa Khamenei, absent from public view since the U.S and Israeli strikes (05:36–06:56).
  • The current power vacuum could lead to regime collapse or prolonged instability:

    “How did, how did a regime collapse? Gradually, then suddenly, who knows?” — Jack Armstrong (07:30)

  • The U.S. and Israel reportedly hope continued strikes will increase domestic pressure and cause the regime to fall (06:56–07:20).
• Negotiations & Verification:
  • Talks center on Iran agreeing to pause uranium enrichment (five years offered, U.S. wants 20).
  • Verification’s intrusiveness cues the episode’s title:

    “We’re going to know you better than your proctologist.” — Joe Getty (12:55)

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2. Eric Swalwell Scandal

• Resignation & Fallout:
  • Swalwell resigns from Congress and exits California’s governor’s race amidst allegations of misconduct:

    “His number one issue right now might be his wife.” — Jack Armstrong (27:49)

  • The hosts debate whether accusations could be criminal, or are more likely personal failings (28:01–29:23).
• Financial Shenanigans:
  • Swalwell spent vastly more on child care than peers, fueling money laundering suspicions (18:12–18:39).
• Billionaire Backer Betrayal:
  • Major donor Stephen Klubeck (described as a “tight jean billionaire” and “cartoon character”) kicks Swalwell out after feeling betrayed:

    “I said, pal, you busted the trust. I’m disappointed and disgusted. Get the [expletive] out of here.” — Stephen Klubeck, via Fox 11 (33:46) “You bust the trust, you don’t exist in my life.” — Stephen Klubeck (34:27)

  • This sparks a running joke about T-shirts with the phrase “Don’t bust the trust” (34:03–34:45).
• Political Dynamics:
  • The hosts muse on politicians’ relationships with eccentric, wealthy backers (35:25–36:13).

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3. International Monkey Business

• Chimpanzee Civil War:
  • In Uganda, the largest wild chimp group is in the midst of a deadly internecine conflict—“the first monkey civil war in half a millennium” (19:40–19:54).
  • Evolutionary biologist Colin Wright explains the groups were once united but have violently split for “no obvious reason other than social drift” (20:59–22:56).

    “As the great Abraham Lincoln said, a chimp group divided against itself cannot stand.” — Joe Getty (23:02)

  • The hosts riff on the human parallels and joke about chimp politics.

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4. Concert Review: Bruce Springsteen & Etiquette

• Concert Experience:
  • Jack Armstrong attended a Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band concert with his sons—amazed by the energy, longevity (Springsteen is 76), and professionalism:

    “If he was 38, I would wonder. How do you do that for three and a half hours? He’s 76. Wow.” — Jack Armstrong (45:37) “They are professionals. They have come to give you a show, period. Not to express their hearts, to give you a show.” — Joe Getty (43:04)

• Annoying Attendees:
  • Jack laments “douchebags” in expensive seats, talking loudly during the show:

    “Don’t talk loudly at concerts. … Go hang out by the bar and drink if that’s what you want to do. Don’t talk loudly at concerts. The whole time you want to say to your friend, wow, that horn section is something, that’s fine, but the ongoing conversation, you freaking idiots, please don’t do that.”—Jack Armstrong (47:27)

• Family Reactions:
  • Jack’s teenage sons crack jokes about the older crowd:

    “This must be what it’s like to stand in line for Social Security.” — Jack’s son Henry (46:04)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Strategic Ambiguity:

  “We’re going to interdict them. You better believe we’re going to interdict them.” — Joe Getty (04:12)

• On U.S. Policy Projections:

  “Too early to tell right now. There’s so many moving parts. We’re just going to have to stay tuned and see how it goes.” — Joe Getty (07:56)

• On Political Downfall:

  “You bust the trust, you don’t exist in my life.” — Stephen Klubeck (34:27) “No, I was blown away.” — Stephen Klubeck, repeated for comedic effect (35:09)

• On Chimpanzee Warfare:

  “The first monkey civil war in half a millennium. Yeah, that’s quite a thing.” — Jack Armstrong (19:48) “A chimp group divided against itself cannot stand.” — Joe Getty (23:02)

• On Concert Etiquette:

  “If you don’t want to be there, that’s fine, but go hang out by the bar and drink… Don’t talk loudly at concerts. The whole time… you freaking idiots, please don’t do that.” — Jack Armstrong (47:27)

• On Interpersonal Boundaries:

  “We’re going to know you better than your proctologist.”—Joe Getty (12:55)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Iranian Blockade and Regime Unrest: 03:06–13:02
• Verification & “Proctologist” Line: 12:52–13:32
• Eric Swalwell Scandal, Financials & Backer Betrayal: 17:44–37:41
• Chimpanzee Civil War: 19:04–23:43
• Springsteen Concert Review & Etiquette Rant: 41:08–48:06

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Tone & Style

• Language: Conversational, irreverent, wisecracking, sometimes sardonic.
• Chemistry: Banter-filled, quick shifts between levity and serious analysis.
• Approach: Skeptical of official narratives; frequently break for real talk and humor.
• Listener Usefulness: Episode blends timely geopolitical analysis, political scandal, quirky science, and relatable gripes. Ideal for those who want both news insight and a laugh.

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[Joe Getty]

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[News Reporter]

First full day of that blockade being in effect with this maritime advisory being given by the British Maritime Trade Organization to commercial vessels. I want to read it for you of what the guidelines are. Maritime access restrictions are being enforced affecting Iranian ports and coastal areas. And it goes on to say that these access restrictions apply without distinction to vessels of any flag engaging with Iranian ports, oil terminals or coastal facilities.

[Jack Armstrong]

Any ship that engages with the Iranian ports. Doesn't matter what you're doing or where you're from. We are interdicting. Now I heard a military guy asked well what does that mean? So if a Russian or Chinese ship hits a port, what are we going to do? And they said, well interdicting policies will be in effect, full effect of interdicting policies. And that's when the will interdict under the policies that the Navy has outlined. Strong stuff with no answer. A lot of humida hum and humida. I don't know if anybody knows exactly what we're going to do if a Chinese ship pulls into an Iranian port.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, we're going to interdict them. You better believe we're going to interdict them.

[Jack Armstrong]

Interdicting dawn till dusk anyway, how many ships are going through here?

[News Reporter]

We are as we monitor the situation in the Strait of Hormuz, seeing some ships going through in both directions here today as United States Navy says that they will not be impeding freedom of navigation, the focus here according to the administration to try and pressure Iran, squeeze their economic lifeline to push them back to the negotiating table. Iran, however, does not see it this way. They have viewed it as a cease fire violation and has said that they are preparing to retaliate if need be.

[Jack Armstrong]

So he went on to say in that report on News Nation what you were saying yesterday or speculating yesterday which turned out to be true. Oh, your prescience finds ACORN was amazing that what was it quick that China was putting pressure on Iran to like get this wrapped up.

[Joe Getty]

What are you doing? I'll bet our navy is saying hey, any of any ships heading to China. Why don't you go through the straight first and see if Iran wants to fire on you. Let's. Let's get this started.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, you're worried about the straight of Hermuz Aria. I was trying to memorize this. I didn't. Well, you need to be worried about the Strait of Bab El Man. Deb.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, please. I'm all about that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Tell you about that in a second. But here's Trey Angst of Fox with how things are going there in Iran

[News Reporter]

right now, how disorganized the Iranian regime is. They don't even have the ability to communicate with many of the field officials from the IRGC as a result of the communication systems being targeted during Operation Epic Fury. We've not yet even seen photos or videos of Iran's new supreme leader, Mustafa Khamenei, an indication that he may be gravely injured in the aftermath of the US And Israeli strikes. And so, again, this speaks to the inability of the Iranian regime to communicate internally and the need for these officials to return to the Iranian capital to even get an answer on some of these questions.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, we started the show talking about people in their certainty that this has been a disaster or a success when we're like, at the beginning of it and there's so many moving parts and so many balls in the air right now. But one thing that could definitely be true based on that reporting right there, the guy that's supposedly the leader of the country has not been seen or heard from at all. Not a picture, not a recorded sentence, nothing. So by definition, the place is. What did Trey call it? The disorganized. He had some other term for. But by definition, it's a mishmash of power centers and that sort of stuff, the whole thing. Well, actually, his next clip gets into that, and then we'll discuss.

[News Reporter]

The Iranian regime is in a place right now that if they do not make a deal and strikes continue against not just military targets but their energy infrastructure, they're going to be in a place with such high domestic internal pressure that the regime could collapse in the future. And that is what the Israelis are saying when we talk with sources here in the region. But again, when you look at the situation at the negotiating table, the Iranians have one choice. They either give up their nuclear program or this war resumes.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you're old enough, you know that whether it's the Soviet Union or Syria

[Joe Getty]

or whatever

[Jack Armstrong]

these things, you know, how did, how did a regime collapse gradually then suddenly, who knows? I don't have any idea how this is going to turn out. Maybe the regime survives and 15 years from now the same people are in charge. But it's possible that at 3 o' clock this afternoon it just completely falls apart.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, agreed.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I think the second is much more likely than the first. And then, boy, then, then it's, we're in a completely different place, obviously.

[Joe Getty]

Oh yeah. With a whole new set of giant questions that everybody will rush to conclusions on. As we, as I mentioned last hour, it's gone completely out of fashion to say, too early to tell right now. There's so many moving parts. We're just going to have to stay tuned and see how it goes. I mean, you'd get thrown off a cable news panel for saying something like that. Michael, indulge me. Give me J.D. vance in clip number 52. And this is ultimately why we left Pakistan because what we figured out is that they were unable, I think the team that was there was unable to cut a deal and they had to go back to Tehran either from the Supreme Leader or somebody else and actually get approval to the terms that we had set. Yeah, the Supreme Leader hasn't spoken a sentence since a bomb got dropped on his head. But to Your point and JD's, the Iranians are tough and duplicitous negotiators in the best of circumstances. Then when you add a layer of we can't get anybody to pick up their cell phone back in Tehran because they're afraid you'll geolocate them and kill them. So we got to go back and get instructions. This is going to be difficult and painstaking. Who's in charge? Nobody knows. Nobody knew prior to two thirds of their leadership getting blowed up.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I'll bet the, the that what they're really hoping for inside the White House, maybe the Pentagon is this thing has got to be close to collapsing. Just any day it's going to collapse and then we'll, you know, deal with whatever that looks like.

[Joe Getty]

One of my favorite commentators in the Wall Street Journal has declared that it's been a failure. And I was going to go through his arguments at some point on the show with you, Jack, and see what you think of them. I thought some of them were valid, some of them were not. It could still go sideways and be a absolute terrible disaster. But the idea that we know that now is just silly. Sure.

[Jack Armstrong]

Seems to me that is mentioned yesterday I was over the weekend, I was reading in the article somewhere that MBS had gotten Trump on the phone last week when Trump made noises that really sounded like we were, we're ending this coming to an end, we're gonna wrap it up and you know, who knows what'll happen? Maybe we'll do a deal with Iran where we, we split the revenue on letting people blah, blah, blah, it's over. And MBS got on the phone with Trump and said, do not end this war. Absolutely. This is our chance. This is the only chance for the Middle east for you, for the world to finally get rid of these scumbags. Don't do it. And that's what made Trump double down and come up with this whole blockade idea. But the flip side of that is that's not what Saudi Arabia wanted. They wanted the big military strike in Iran. They didn't want the blockade of the Strait of Hormuz because Saudi Arabia apparently MBS got on the phone with again him yesterday and said, end the blockade. Open up this. Let, let boats go through. Because he's worried that Iran is going to retaliate by closing the Bob Almandeb choke point in the Red Sea, which is how the Saudi Arabian kingdom gets everything that they've got in and out. And he's really concerned about that and that that will be the next step.

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[Jack Armstrong]

the latest is that Iran has agreed to suspend uranium enrichment for five years. The United States is saying it's got to be 20. And that's where the negotiation stands as of today.

[Joe Getty]

And it's all about the verification.

[Jack Armstrong]

All about the verification which I want to talk about later in case you

[Joe Getty]

we're going to know you better than your proctologist. All right. Graphic, yet illustrative.

[Jack Armstrong]

You feel like because my proctologist is seen inside, I don't have a proctologist, but if I did, you need to get one. You feel like if because he's seen in me, inside me, he knows me well.

[Joe Getty]

It's an expression. Don't get hung up. It's a very colorful expression.

[Jack Armstrong]

I feel like he knows nothing about my personality just because he's seen the inside of my, you know, my nether regions.

[Joe Getty]

Maybe if you were to spare him a little conversation, you would know each other better. Makes the whole experience more pleasant. Actually, it doesn't. It makes it weirder.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I agree. I don't want us to have buddy go ahead like bond and we start playing golf together or something like that. And then I got a good friend

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

I couldn't be friends with somebody and then show them my. My naughty bits. I couldn't.

[Joe Getty]

It's. You get used to it pretty quick.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I would not. I need a complete stranger in an alley at night.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

And the beautiful thing about the. Yes, he has. And the governor's race in California. The beautiful thing about the Swalwell segment is we've got serious, we have political, we've got purvo stuff and we've got his wackiest richest supporter showing how wacky he is. There's something for everyone.

[Jack Armstrong]

Swalwell's in financial trouble. He just lost his job. He ain't gonna be able to get a job doing nothing.

[Joe Getty]

And, and he was, I, I didn't bother bringing this to the show because we had so much to talk about, but financial reports show that he, he spent like quadruple what any other member of Congress spent on child care, which is almost certainly money laundering. So he, yeah, he was pulling all sorts of weird financial shenanigans. You wouldn't unless you were really hurt.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know. Now we're doing swell. Will now end. But whatever this is, if he, if he gets convicted, any of this stuff, he'll lose his law license. So that's how he makes a living. So he won't be able to make a living like that. No cable news channel is going to have him on as a me too perpetrator. I mean, he's, he could be in his life could be really rough going forward.

[Joe Getty]

He's got to be Hunter Biden's tag team partner in that cage match with Don Jr. And Eric Trump.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

It's all coming together. This is gonna be great. Yeah. So this is so crazy interesting. If you're into nature like I am. There's a report in Science, the magazine website, last week, the largest known group of wild chimpanzees in Uganda's Kibali national park. Is locked in a bloody civil war. And the study's authors say this might be the first quote, rare fission of a wild chimpanzee group and subsequent lethal aggression against former members. 500 years. I don't know how they know that exactly, but we'll take their word for it for now. Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

The first.

[Joe Getty]

At least 24 chimps have been killed out of a total of about 200 involved. So that is an incredibly high death toll.

[Jack Armstrong]

The first monkey civil war in half a millennium. Yeah, that's quite a thing.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. So the good folks at the Free Press talk to what is, what is Colin. Right again. He's an evolutionary biologist. Yeah. Okay. Good guy to talk to. He wasn't involved in the study, but he's read it. Ask him what's going on with the chimps. Why are they waging war on each other? And of course he says, we don't know for sure. We have some intriguing ideas. One of the reasons it captures a lot of people's attention is they share a lot of similarities with human. But we don't think of them as being cultural individuals like humans. They don't have racial, religious or ideological differences like humans. I mean, what's a chimp's ideology anyway? Those factors are what we typically ascribe to human conflict. And so we'd expect to see relative peace and prosperity among individuals.

[Jack Armstrong]

He's the expert. But my first thought was territory, that they have that in common with humans.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, and here's where it gets interesting. You're not wrong. He says when we see a chimpanzee population that's not just the same species and looks similar. These groups used to be one group. They were like brothers and sisters up until just a few years ago. They were interbreeding with one another, they're grooming each other, picking fleas and ticks off one another's back.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I see you got a tick on your head. You want me to get that for you?

[Joe Getty]

Let me take care of that. Thanks, bro. Thanks, brah. And just over the course of a decade, but kind of all of a sudden, around 2015 or 2016, there was an abrupt segregation of the groups. Their social networks became increasingly isolated. And so they kind of drifted apart, friend group wise, and started raiding each other's chimp groups, which is a terrible and bloody thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

God, can you imagine what that looks like in the noise? Oh, my God.

[Joe Getty]

Well, I've seen it. It's horrific. The physical power, the sharp teeth, the utter lack of mercy. You think humans are brutal? Watch. Chimps Fight to the death anyway. They ask, is this level of feuding and warfare common in chimps? No. It is certainly anomalous. Typically, when you see chimpanzee raids, they come from totally unrelated groups of chimps. This is totally the opposite. We have a unique situation where the chimpanzee groups are not foreign to each other. According to the study, some of the chimpanzees had social ties and reproductive ties with members of the attacking groups. Researchers noticed subtle shifts in which chimpanzees groomed the others and who mated with whom. Over time, the behavioral isolation became more and more concrete. They moved. Eventually, alphas developed inside each of group each of the groups. They acted as social. Gru. I'm sorry, Glue. I'm rating ahead. Blah, blah, blah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Once again, the grooming. Turn around and bend over. I'll get those hard to reach places for you.

[Joe Getty]

They're well groomed, them chimps. Let's see, what typically drives chimpanzee groups to raid others, they ask. Well, some chimpanzee raid others to gain more access to females. Other times, they're competing for certain resources. Oh, my. This is a unique example of a raider set of raids that do not involve these two factors, but deterioration of social cohesion. As far as they can tell, the only thing they're fighting over is. We used to be friends and now we're not anymore. Wow. You've become a foreign group.

[Jack Armstrong]

Is that a mirror, everyone?

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Hey. As the great Abraham Lincoln said, a chimp group divided against itself cannot stand.

[Jack Armstrong]

Which side am I rooting for? I need to know which side I'm on.

[Joe Getty]

It's not clear to me who's who.

[Jack Armstrong]

The blue or the gray or however they're dividing themselves.

[Joe Getty]

It's a war of northern chimp aggression.

[Jack Armstrong]

Get your stinking paws off me, you damn dirty ape.

[Joe Getty]

Seen a video from one of the more intense moments of battle.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know why we played that. Does one side peel the banana from the handle side down and then the other side the other way? And this one stack.

[Joe Getty]

It does not appear to be about ideology. Crazy chimp civil war.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is pretty interesting. Okay, Eric Swalwell and what was going on there. I want to talk about going to see the Boss in concert last night and everything that that entails, including the ass hat sitting in front of me and a bunch of other news that we need to get to and.

[Joe Getty]

Did he lecture you?

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, what, are you kidding? So it's all on the way. Stay here.

[Joe Getty]

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[News Reporter]

Eric Swalwell's political career is now all but over here as he dropped out of the governor's race in California. Now he's resigning from Congress. In a statement, he said he's, quote, deeply sorry to my family, staff and constituents for mistakes in judgment I've made in my past. I will fight the serious false allegations made against me, adding must take responsibility and ownership for those mistakes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, his number one issue right now might be his wife.

[Joe Getty]

Very well could be and charges possible in Manhattan.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That would be a big deal. But if, if your wife was unaware of your behavior and that that's, that, that's, that's. That'd be lead Am I I don't know where he's sleeping at night, but right.

[Joe Getty]

All right. I don't have his statement in front of me because I don't care that much. But his combination of vehement denial of charges yet I've made many terrible lapses in judgment and I'm a horrible person. But I didn't do anything seriously wrong. Was it was a funny attempt at having it both ways.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I think it could be true. And unless there's some stuff I haven't heard, I was kind of because I went to the Springsteen concert, I was kind of out of the news flow yesterday. But as of yesterday morning when we were talking about this, I hadn't heard anything that sounded like a crime yet.

[Joe Getty]

And that I get drunk with chicks and we have sex.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And then sometimes they decide they wish they hadn't. But okay, that's not a crime either. So I can see where he'd have been in A. Yeah, I shouldn't have been doing that, especially while I was married. But I didn't commit any crime. So now if there's new stuff in the last 24 hours I haven't heard, then that's. I. I'll admit to that.

[Joe Getty]

And certainly if there were any legitimate sexual assaults, there's nothing amusing in the slightest about that. On the other hand, what we heard yesterday was a bunch of, yeah, we got drunk and had sex. Which I don't know if, you know, this happens a lot in the world.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, you're both super hammered and barely remember what happened. And, you know, you can't convict people on that.

[Joe Getty]

No, indeed.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is.

[Joe Getty]

And this really, Jack, is a fond and bittersweet farewell to the Swalwell for Governor pain. Here is an ad he just put together not long ago walking down the beach holding hands with his wife. 67.

[Jack Armstrong]

Michael, do you ever think I'd run for governor? Absolutely not. You ready to do like a public endorsement video?

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I don't think you need mine.

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You have Adam shift.

[Jack Armstrong]

So what do you think voters should know about me? Besides what they only seen on tv?

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That you're a really great dad.

[Jack Armstrong]

Dad. You're a really good husband and I think the kids and I can count

[Bethenny Frankel]

on you for anything.

[Jack Armstrong]

And if I gave you the choice,

[Bethenny Frankel]

I'm not sure if you would choose

[Jack Armstrong]

to be governor of California or have the 49ers win the Super Bowl. 49ers governor. Definitely being governor of California. And make it a place where when we retire, it's a place where our kids and everyone's kids can afford to

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[Jack Armstrong]

Thanks.

[Joe Getty]

You know, I almost made a joke, but then I thought it's kind at her expense and I. I have no idea the dynamic there. She might be completely flabbergasted by all of this and. And is in terrible pain. So I'm not going to pile on.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, it's impossible to know. It could be the Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton relationship where she was completely aware that he was doing that she would help cover it up. But they were a political couple. This could be Eric Swalwell's wife. Could be a. I thought you were a good husband and a good dad. This is all complet to me.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Right. Katie, what's. What's this. This fellow Klubeck's first name. Do we have that? I for it flitted right out of my mind. He's the billionaire, sometimes roommate of Swalwell who. Who spent at least a million dollars

[Jack Armstrong]

on his campaign and wants it back.

[Joe Getty]

He's the. Yes, Katie.

[Jack Armstrong]

Stephen.

[Joe Getty]

Stephen Klubeck. He's a timeshare magnate, late middle age, wears tight jeans, is in the middle of this porn girl who he was going to marry while she's getting prosecuted for ripping off a bunch of other old, naive rich guys. And she used to be married to a porn star. They appear to have separated so she could pull the scam off. Anyway, so she's in the center of both of these things at once.

[Jack Armstrong]

Feel like the tight jeans came in out of nowhere.

[Joe Getty]

I paint pictures, Jack.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's a needed detail. They're tired.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Man of his days.

[Jack Armstrong]

Please. Like he's little Stephen from last night at Springsteen. Like those kind of tight dudes.

[Joe Getty]

It's. It's definitely his look. Anyway, the fabulous Matt Seedorf of Fox 11 in LA stopped by to talk to Mr. Klubeck and oh, my golly, what a character. Michael, let's start with 62 and work from there.

[Jack Armstrong]

We just wrapped up a one on one interview with Stephen Klubeck. At one point, he was running for governor of California, but he dropped out to endorse Eric Swalwell, a decision he clearly regrets. You suspect this at all? No, I was blown away. A political explosion blown away. Billionaire Stephen Klubeck, once a major donor

[Joe Getty]

and supporter of Eric Swalwell, now publicly

[Jack Armstrong]

turning on him with rage, mad amid sexual assault allegations. I am no longer a Democrat.

[Joe Getty]

I'm now a libertarian Republican because that's

[Jack Armstrong]

what a blue dog Democrat used to be. No, that's true. That is true. You didn't mention he was a cartoon character.

[Joe Getty]

Well, no, he was. No, he was able to hit that note because of how tight his pants are.

[Jack Armstrong]

I was blown away. His chains are so tight. I was blown away. My testicles are bright blue.

[Joe Getty]

Just.

[Jack Armstrong]

I was blown away.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, we're just getting started. Okay, go ahead, Michael.

[Jack Armstrong]

A lot has been said about me today through anonymous allegations. Swalwell posting this video Friday from Klubeck's Beverly Hills mansion, pushing back these allegations of sexual assault are flat false. But since then, the fallout has only intensified.

[Joe Getty]

The Democratic frontrunner for California governor dropping

[Jack Armstrong]

out of the race, resigning from Congress and being kicked out of Klubeck's home.

[Joe Getty]

And I said, pal, you busted the trust. I'm disappointed and disgusted. Get the out of here.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

All right, all right. We're gonna play you one more clip.

[Jack Armstrong]

Busted the trust and you must. You don't Hanson in my life.

[Joe Getty]

All right, hey, hang on now, Hanson. I want the T shirts in the Armstrong and Getty store. By the end of the day today, you'll know what this T shirt's gonna say in exactly 20 seconds.

[Jack Armstrong]

Michael, how's your relationship with Eric? Are you guys still friends?

[Joe Getty]

Ericu.

[Jack Armstrong]

Is that clear? Don't bust the trust. You bust the trust, okay? You don't exist in my life.

[Joe Getty]

You don't bust the trust.

[Jack Armstrong]

You don't bust the trust.

[Joe Getty]

Don't bust the trust. Armstrong and Getty.

[Bethenny Frankel]

How old?

[Jack Armstrong]

This tight Jean billionaire.

[Joe Getty]

I'm sure there's a news account with his. I would guess 65. Ish, something like that.

[Jack Armstrong]

He sounds older. He is 64. Wow. He sounds older.

[Joe Getty]

That makes the pants even worse.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, I was blown away.

[Joe Getty]

And more colorful.

[Jack Armstrong]

I was blown away.

[Joe Getty]

So you don't bust a trust. Oh, that's Eric Who? So that make myself clear. You bust a trust, you don't exist in my world.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know if Republicans do this too, but it's a. The three I can think of are all Democrats, but maybe lots of politicians do. You find a crazy rich person. Not crazy rich, but crazy and rich.

[Joe Getty]

Crazy and crazy rich and rich person

[Jack Armstrong]

to, like, be your, you know, the person that's going to finance your stuff. Because you got Swalwell and this dude. Remember when he had John Edwards and that old lady that he was living off of and everything like that? And there's another. Oh, and Hunter, that crazy art guy, the Hollywood producer dude. You find somebody who's like. Like nuts, but you befriend them and. And. And care about their things that they care about, and they finance them, feel

[Joe Getty]

like they're connected to power, too.

[Jack Armstrong]

They finance your whole career.

[Joe Getty]

If, God willing, he were still with us today. And we're going to do 64 again. Michael, would this guy not be portrayed by Robert Duvall?

[Jack Armstrong]

Go ahead. How's your relationship with Eric? Are you guys still friends?

[Joe Getty]

Eric,

[Jack Armstrong]

is that clear? Don't bust the trust. You bust the trust. Okay? You don't exist in my life.

[Joe Getty]

Or is it Mark De Niro? So what?

[Jack Armstrong]

Which trust is he talking about that got busted because he's got a weird. You said this thing with a porn woman or whatever, so it doesn't sound like he's. It's not like he's married 50 years with three. Three adult kids or something like that as a lifestyle.

[Joe Getty]

That's an interesting question. He just feels like Swalwell lied to him and misled him about something fundamental.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that's what I was wondering. It might not be about the sexual stuff at all. It Might just be Swalwell looked him in the face and lied to him about a variety of things.

[Joe Getty]

I suspect so. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And that's. That's the end of that.

[Joe Getty]

Well, in short, because you busted the trusted. One thing you don't do is you don't bust the trust.

[Jack Armstrong]

You don't bust the trust.

[Joe Getty]

I didn't know that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Blown away. Rolled away. Oh, my goodness.

[Joe Getty]

All right, that's probably enough of that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And Swalwell, it's again, I don't know if he's going to be charged and found guilty of anything. Not. Not from the stories I've heard so far. It's just way too much he said, she said and drunken people. But he's obviously out of Congress and not going to be governor of California. He had a decent shot of being governor of California.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Which just shows you how diseased California is. But yeah. And you know, the. The Fang Fang Bang Bang showed us who he was, but a lot of people didn't believe it. There we are.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I took both my boys to the Bruce Springsteen concert last night and the E Street Band, which is really key to the whole thing. Holy crap. And I want to talk about that whole experience, among other things coming up. Stay here. You don't bust the trust. Damn right. No. I was blown away.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

So it's the latest on the whole. Can't think of the words. Not boycott. You don't boycott a straight. Okay, blockade of the straight. What's the latest on that? Negotiations with ran, Iran and all that sort of stuff. We got some good AI news for you. We'll get to you in hours three and four. Hope you can stick around. If you miss it, get the podcast Armstrong and Gettysburg on Demand. I am running on very, very little sleep today because I took both my boys to see Bruce Springsteen in the E Street Band at the Chase center in San Francisco, which is the basketball arena where the warriors play. It holds about 20,000 people. If there was an empty seat, I couldn't see it anywhere. And everybody stood the entire three and a half hours of that show, which was just stunning. And I won't spend much time on the show because you're either into Springsteen or not. There's a reason he's one of the most legendary live acts in the history of people playing music in front of other people. Just freaking stunning. I don't. I. I was trying to figure that out during the show. Like, what is it that they do that other people can't do? Is it the level of energy they bring? Like, is there a reciprocal thing that goes on in live music where, like, you're picking up up the pheromones or something from them and the energy that gets transferred to you or something? But I have seen lots of concerts, there's no energy like that. It was just. And for that level, for that long, the level of intensity from beginning to end was like, how do you do this?

[Joe Getty]

My very short comment on that is the difference between Bruce and the East Street Band is a lot. And a lot of bands is they're not a bunch of plucky youths who played in a garage, blah, blah, blah, came up together. You know, it's a different situation now. Bruce and the band have always been deliberately professional entertainers, period. And they are professionals.

[Jack Armstrong]

Boy, they are too.

[Joe Getty]

They have come to give you a show, period. Not to express their hearts, to give you a show. They're professional entertainers.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. And. And everything just tight as could be there when they. They'd line up every now and then, like, all be in a line. And it was just awesome the way they did it. But there's 20. I counted 24 people, Bruce. 24 people with the full horn section and the gospel choir and that with that. Tommy Morello. Is that his name? From Rage against the Machine, who's now a big part of the whole Springsteen act. God, is that guy amazing. And, and, and, and did.

[Joe Getty]

A couple of guitar players is enough.

[Jack Armstrong]

There were four. Bruce played more lead than I've ever seen him play before, but there were four different guys doing guitar solos. Anyway. I won't go. Like I said, I won't go on and on about the music because you either like it or not. But as a wannabe musician, it was just absolutely stunning how you could do that. If he was 38, I would wonder. How do you do that for three and a half hours? He's 76. Wow. How is that even possible? How does your voice. How do you stand for three and a half hours when you're 76 and not get tired, let alone running around the stage soaked in sweat and howling at the top of your voice? It just. It defies physics that that could even happen. Anywho, a lot of people were asking about the politics part of it, and I Was wondering about that myself. It was a non factor. It was just a non factor. He said a couple over three and a half hours. He said a few things here and there. Who cared? The long speech he gave, which I'm sure I would have really rolled my eyes out. I went to the bathroom during the long speech where he sits down at the beginning of the stage at the very front of the stage to give the band a rest. He never rests. He gives the rest of the band arrest. But anyway, he comes out there and his first words were something like, we have an illegal Supreme Court that answers to an. Okay, I've got time to go to the bathroom. And so we went to the bathroom and got a pretzel. Whatever came back and he was done. And it was back into the music. But, God, they did a. The amazing thing. I remember, I thought this the last time I saw Bruce Springsteen in the East Bend. It's like every song is their end of the show highlight, Good night song. It's like the showstopper you put at the end is every freaking song. And I. I don't know how they pull off that. That intensity. But he went from Ghost Tom Joad with Tom Morello playing the guitar solo and electric version into Badlands. And it was just the best musical experience of my life. It was just unbelievably stunning.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

The crowd was, I thought, surprisingly young for what I. I thought it would be. It was definitely an older crowd, as you would expect. But there was an awful lot of people in their 20s and 30s that were there that knew the words to every song to his. To his credit. But my kids were giving me, who are both teenagers, were giving me lots of crap about the age of the audience. Henry said, am I gonna see women throwing their girdles on stage?

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Henry also said, this must be one what it's like to stand in line for Social Security.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Wow. That young man's got a tongue dipped in sarcasm.

[Jack Armstrong]

But I. I had really good seats. I didn't pay for him. A friend, I won't mention who because he didn't give me permission to say who, but he gave them to me.

[Joe Getty]

So I.

[Jack Armstrong]

They were free for me. And it was Eric Swalwell, wasn't it? They were unbelievably.

[Joe Getty]

It was Eric Swalwell's billionaire buddy.

[Jack Armstrong]

They were unbelievably good seats. And so I was surrounded by people who are either connected or rich. And Joe's had this experience when you're in this business, you get to go to a lot of concerts and sit in cool spots and often the people that are in the, in the suite or the really good seats or whatever for a basketball world, whatever you're at, they don't. They just need to say they were there or whatever. They don't care. And I hate that because I was there for the music and really, really digging it and my kids were enjoying it and everything like that couple of guys in front of me in suit jackets, whatever, rolled in late, spent the whole time talking really loud, checking their emails, that sort of stuff, talking about business. They were, they were there for the music or whatever and I was really struggling with whether I should say something to him or not. And it's very loud and do I want to be that guy who says hey, you need to quiet down at a really, really loud rock concert or or they the douchebags for talking loudly during some of the slower songs was just really really annoying. Luckily I think the guy got so drunk that he had to sit down and he couldn't talk anymore. But don't talk loudly at concerts. If you don't want to be there, that's fine, but go hang up by the bar and drink if that's what you want to do. Don't talk loudly at concerts. The whole time you want to say to your friend, wow, that horn section is something, that's fine, but the ongoing conversation, you freaking idiots, please don't do that.

[Joe Getty]

I heard a live concert once where the bar owner came out and threw people out who wouldn't shut up. He's my hero.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is awesome. That should happen more often.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

So good.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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