Chainsaw (2:14)

Chainsaw.

Katie (2:15)

You're not going to take him out. Chainsaw. We're not going to take him out. Kill. At least not for now. But we don't want missiles shot at civilians or American soldiers. Our patience is wearing thin. Thank you for your attention to this matter. No, that's actually the end of it.

Jack Armstrong (2:32)

A little matter.

Chainsaw (2:35)

It's like a company email.

Jack Armstrong (2:36)

Yeah, a little of his old CEO days slipped in there at the end.

Katie (2:41)

Wow. Hey, we noticed your dues for the Bedminster Golf Club have been overdue now for a week. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Jack Armstrong (2:50)

People are using too many paper cups at the water dispenser. Please try to cut back. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Katie (2:56)

Exactly. It's like after Israel blows up a building in Iran and says, we apologize for the inconvenience. Exactly.

Jack Armstrong (3:05)

Or yeah, destroy Tehran. Good luck in your future endeavors.

Katie (3:11)

If you have any questions about the coming power vacuum, please feel free to email our team@customer servicerailbombedas.com.

Jack Armstrong (3:22)

Oh, thank you for your attention to this matter. Was he trying to be funny?

Katie (3:30)

I don't know. I mean, obviously he's got to understand how dryly, horrifically funny that is.

Jack Armstrong (3:38)

You think? All right, well, we'll see where that goes. I'm going to skip the other thing we're going to do right to the hot phrase for summertime. I don't know if you read this article in the New York Times. It caused many tongues to wag and columns to be written all around the world. Really? As New York Times unleashed upon us the term kid rotting for the summertime. And whether or not rotting as is your kids are rotting and it's end up going back and forth with a lot of people. I don't know where I am on this, but the idea of not having a whole bunch of planned camps and activities for your kids and they just hang out on the couch doing nothing all summer. To which a lot of people. The kid rotting. To which a lot of people have replied. That sounds like what my summers were like and I freaking loved them. Yeah, just hanging out doing nothing with no plans whatsoever. I remember those days you get up, you had no idea what you're gonna do today. And. And it was just a variety of things and. Or kind of nothing or whatever. And it was awesome. The sense of freedom was awesome.

Chainsaw (4:49)

Yeah, that was before.

Katie (4:50)

Isn't the modern version of that staring at a screen?

Jack Armstrong (4:53)

Well, that's where it gets interesting.

Katie (4:55)

None of that stuff you said will happen. It'll just be staring at screens. He says, but.

Jack Armstrong (5:01)

And I'm. I'm. I, you know, I lean real far toward that is. It's not only. It's not just a waste of time, it affects your brain and your attention span. But that aside, if the, if the. If the alternative is all kinds of camps and planned activities versus just hang out and do whatever all day long and I don't know why. I've got this weird resistance since I got to do that a lot as a kid. My, my oldest, my high school son, he is not into video games and stuff like that near as much. He does a lot of bike riding with his friends and all that sort of stuff. But man, I picked him and his friends up yesterday. He texted me and said we are just too worn out. We're over at my friend Zach's house, could you come pick us up and bring us over to our house. We just, we've been riding and it's hot. Okay. I said give me 20 minutes, I got a couple of things I got to do. But I went and picked them up and I hadn't been around this vibe in 40 years, but 50 years and, but just the, the level of happy, relaxed, the world of our oyster. These three 15 year olds had with their bikes, loading them up in my truck and they got in, they were just joking and laughing and they were just doing nothing all day long and they're going to nothing the rest of the day but just hang out and be teenagers. And it just looked fantastic.

Katie (6:24)

Well, I love that, Katie.

Chainsaw (6:26)

Yeah, I, I love that too. But I'm wondering if parents are, are signing their kids up for so much stuff because they don't want them on their screens all summer. You know what I mean? Because I as a kid, I got signed up for stuff, but my parents didn't have to worry about that.

Jack Armstrong (6:43)

Yeah, well, sometimes signing kids up for stuff is your daycare for the summer since school is out and you need to put somewhere.

Katie (6:51)

Yeah, yeah. And that's fine. Although the, you know what's happening around those schedule activities have changed back in the day it was what Jack was describing. Yeah, there's nothing scheduled. You're just free to do what you want or you can invent or hook up with your friends, be bored together and then again, blah blah, blah. Now the, you know, the surrounding of the scheduled event is many more scheduled events. And as a fierce advocate of free range parenting, I totally agree with you in principle, Jack. It's just the screen thing.

Jack Armstrong (7:26)

What would you do? What would you recommend?

Katie (7:30)

Because I carefully scheduled free time. You will absolutely show up on time 10am for the do whatever you want.

Jack Armstrong (7:42)

Man. I go back and forth with this my 13 year old all the time. I've gotten to the point where I say I can't say it again. I can't say it for the 8 millionth time because I try to limit his screen time. I don't like, I'm not as disciplined on it as a lot of my friends are where they've got like a timer on their Internet or you know, their stopwatch going on it or whatever. And they limit that however many hours. But I just like, when I feel like it's been enough, say, okay, that's it, that's enough screens. So find something to do with that. But what will I do? I can't now. I say I can't say it again. I just can't. I can't. I can't list the things again. Walk the dog, ride a bike, write something, play a musical instrument, draw, run, exercise. I swim, we got a pool. Just, I can't list the million things you could do that aren't looking at a screen, but do one of them.

Chainsaw (8:36)

You know, one of those 485 videos you just watched. Do one of those things.

Katie (8:41)

Those things the guy in the video, not the guy watching the video. You know, the. Asking that question that way is as natural as like your fingernails growing. Well, what am I supposed to do?

Jack Armstrong (8:53)

I do. It's true. I remember asking my mom that.

Katie (8:55)

Yeah, George Washington's kids were asking him, what am I supposed to do?

Jack Armstrong (9:01)

Kids, get out of the cave. Your mom and I need to make your brother. Right.

Katie (9:07)

Right. Go play with the other, you know, pre syllabic, non language speaking, grunting cave kids.

Jack Armstrong (9:16)

But there's dinosaurs out there. I don't care. Get out of the cave.

Katie (9:20)

Jack, when the kids were in the backseat of the car, did you tell them that life goes downhill and it's just all.

Jack Armstrong (9:27)

I haven't. I have had that conversation.

Katie (9:29)

Because you're happy now.

Jack Armstrong (9:35)

Enjoy it while you can because life's nothing but a big disappointment.

Katie (9:40)

Grind you down, you work for some bastard you don't like, you don't respect, that he doesn't care about.

Jack Armstrong (9:46)

I have said one day you wake.

Katie (9:48)

Up in your old. Like me.

Jack Armstrong (9:51)

I have said to my son, which I probably shouldn't say because he wants, he wants to get. Next year he'll be able to get a job at a variety of places that he wants to go because you have to be 16. But anyway, I say, and then you'll start working and then you will work until you're sold and nearly dead, that none of this will matter anymore. I mean, you'll never stop ever again. And it's true. But I don't know if you need to lay that out when you're 16 years old.

Katie (10:15)

Oh, that's so Funny, we just got an email from some PR group pitching a guest who wants to talk about the kid rotting. It's the hot phrase, man thing.

Jack Armstrong (10:24)

Kid rotting is a hot phrase. So New York was really on the. On the side of the. You know, we used to call. We didn't used to call it rotting, we used to just call it summertime. And then there's been the pushback, obviously, with the screen stuff. And so, yeah, it's become a whole thing. But I do. Even if you eliminate the screens, I know a lot of parents who would think it would be horrible if their kids just hung out with no plans every day and did nothing. Using my finger quotes, it's impossible, as my son always points out, to do nothing. Even if you're doing nothing, you're doing something, but. And. And you'll lay around and do nothing for a while, but you'll come up with something because you just. Out of necessity.

Katie (11:06)

So it's interesting. This guest pitch is actually a woman with campfire. I think it used to be Campfire Girls or whatever, but it's Campfire. It's a youth development organization. And. And she believes the conversation misses the real distinction. Not all boredom is created equal. There's a huge difference between head down boredom, head down boredom zoning out on screens disconnected from others, and head up boredom that sparks creativity, problem solving, and self discovery.

Jack Armstrong (11:38)

That's an interesting term.

Katie (11:39)

And then she pitches that camp boredom isn't a problem, it's a portal. Driftwood becomes a fort, Seashells become currency, and a toilet paper roll becomes binoculars.

Jack Armstrong (11:49)

Yeah, it's not going to help you see anything up close.

Katie (11:50)

It's just ineffective Binoculars, certainly. Yes.

Jack Armstrong (11:54)

The distance will seem exactly the same.

Katie (11:59)

I don't think these are working. Jack could have just said, you know, kids, sometimes I feel like just taking.

Jack Armstrong (12:08)

This car and driving it off a cliff.

Katie (12:11)

No, no, no.

Jack Armstrong (12:16)

Well, I guess that's it.

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Katie (12:31)

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Jack Armstrong (12:33)

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Jack Armstrong (12:48)

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