When Will This Idea Die?!

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand - Episode Summary

Title: When Will This Idea Die?!
Release Date: August 4, 2025
Host: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Produced By: iHeartPodcasts

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1. Rising Concerns Over Whooping Cough

The episode kicks off with a discussion on the alarming increase in whooping cough (pertussis) cases across the United States, particularly in the Carolinas. Joe Getty highlights the severity of the outbreak:

“...more than six times as many whooping cough cases were reported last year compared to 2023, according to the Centers for Disease Control.”
[03:35]

Jack Armstrong emphasizes the contagious nature of the disease and its impact on young children:

“So first of all, it is quite contagious. In very young children, as many as two thirds will have periods where they stop breathing.”
[03:52]

Katie Greener shares a personal perspective on vaccinations, urging listeners to consult their doctors about booster shots:

“...ask your doctor if you should get an update on your whooping cough, because that is no disease you want to have."
[04:27]

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2. Caitlin Clark’s Monumental Impact on the WNBA

Transitioning to sports, the hosts delve into Caitlin Clark's transformative influence on the Women's National Basketball Association (WNBA). They compare her impact to that of Tiger Woods in golf, noting significant statistics that underscore her importance:

“Caitlin Clark's impact. Merchandise sales have soared 601%. Her team, the Indiana Fever's, viewership jumped 170%. The team's value has tripled.”
[06:10]

Jack Armstrong raises a critical issue regarding Clark’s treatment on the court, citing a piece by Sean McClain:

“...she routinely faces intentional hits, excessive fouling, uncalled abuse while referees look away.”
[08:14]

Katie Greener echoes concern over the lack of accountability:

“Why would the refs look the other way?”
[08:41]

The discussion touches on race and systemic issues within the league:

“She said that race is a huge thing and that it boils my blood when people say it's not about race because it is.”
[08:55]

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3. Democratic Socialists of America and NYC Politics

The conversation shifts to New York City's political landscape, focusing on the Democratic Socialists of America's (DSA) support for Mayor Mamdani. The hosts critique the DSA’s platform, particularly their stance on gender-affirming care:

“...use the power of New York City to provide free gender affirming care... across the country.”
[21:06]

Jack Armstrong questions the practicality and financial feasibility of such policies:

“Can the mayor of New York privatize grocery stores? Can the mayor of New York decide somebody's paying for...”
[22:02]

Katie Greener criticizes the repetitive attempts to implement socialism, questioning its viability:

“How many times does it need to be tried and fail and often kill millions of people before people keep thinking it's a good idea?”
[19:30]

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4. Controversy Over Labor Statistics and Political Repercussions

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to the controversy surrounding labor statistics revisions under the Biden administration and former President Trump’s response. The hosts discuss Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen’s removal and Trump's allegations of bias:

“...they were extremely reliable... but then revision rates skyrocketed...”
[34:44]

Katie Greener analyzes Trump's claims of a conspiracy:

“Trump claiming it's a Biden conspiracy is... that doesn't help anything.”
[35:37]

Jack Armstrong critiques the administration's handling of economic data:

“It's the same old Trump era dance we see over and over again. Trump shoots off his mouth, says something unsupportable.”
[36:58]

The hosts conclude that despite valid concerns about data accuracy, attributing them to political conspiracies is counterproductive:

“The point they're making overall about the labor statistics is a good one, sure, but that's not what Trump said...”
[37:22]

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5. Anecdotes on Summer Camp Food Smuggling

Towards the end of the episode, Armstrong and Getty share humorous and critical anecdotes about summer camp policies on food:

Jack Armstrong narrates a story about strict anti-smuggling measures at Camp Kennybrook:

“...the items were vehicles used by parents to smuggle food into the Monticello, New York camp...”
[44:42]

Katie Greener expresses frustration over the lengths parents go to bypass camp restrictions:

“How about you go to camp and eat what they give you and learn.”
[46:38]

The hosts debate the necessity and impact of such stringent rules, contrasting it with their own childhood experiences:

“It's a rite of passage. It's an incentive to do better in life, I think.”
[47:44]

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6. Final Thoughts and Wrap-Up

In their closing segments, Armstrong and Getty offer light-hearted final thoughts and tease upcoming topics, maintaining their signature blend of humor and critique:

“We always got caught though because it's like Mexican food with side dishes.”
[48:45]

They encourage listeners to engage with the podcast and stay tuned for future episodes:

“If Jack and Joe missed any of today's big story, don't be a dope cause you know they covered everything.”
[50:35]

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Conclusion

In "When Will This Idea Die?!", Armstrong and Getty tackle a range of pressing issues—from public health concerns and the dynamics within the WNBA to political controversies and societal norms in summer camps. Their blend of insightful commentary, coupled with relatable anecdotes and pointed critiques, offers listeners a comprehensive look into contemporary challenges and debates.

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Notable Quotes:

• Joe Getty [03:35]: “...more than six times as many whooping cough cases were reported last year compared to 2023, according to the Centers for Disease Control.”

• Jack Armstrong [08:14]: “...she routinely faces intentional hits, excessive fouling, uncalled abuse while referees look away.”

• Katie Greener [19:30]: “How many times does it need to be tried and fail and often kill millions of people before people keep thinking it's a good idea?”

• Jack Armstrong [36:58]: “It's the same old Trump era dance we see over and over again. Trump shoots off his mouth, says something unsupportable.”

• Katie Greener [46:38]: “How about you go to camp and eat what they give you and learn.”

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Recommendations for Listeners:

If you’re interested in a thought-provoking discussion that navigates through public health, sports dynamics, political controversies, and societal behaviors with a mix of humor and seriousness, this episode of Armstrong & Getty On Demand is a must-listen. The hosts provide valuable insights and encourage critical thinking on topics that shape our daily lives.

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Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Katie Greener]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

And now here's Armstrong and.

[Katie Greener]

And get it.

[Joe Getty]

Cases of whooping cough spreading across the U.S. especially the Carolinas. It's technically called pertussis, and it's a bacterial infection causing severe coughing. More than six times as many whooping cough cases were reported last year compared to 2023, according to the Centers for Disease Control.

[Jack Armstrong]

So first of all, it is quite contagious. In very young children, as many as two thirds will have periods where they stop breathing.

[Joe Getty]

The rise in cases comes as new data from the CDC show a record number of children did not receive their recommended vaccinations last school year.

[Katie Greener]

They want to make it about vaccinations, but I got vaccinated as a tiny child against whooping cough. And I got it, if you'll remember, whenever that was six months ago. Worst thing I've ever had in my life outside of cancer. And you don't want to get it. So ask your doctor if you should get an update on your whooping cough, because that is no disease you want to have.

[Jack Armstrong]

Goodness sakes, I gotta go get this shot. Yeah, the. The. The booster. Anyway, my house is a construction zone and I think I'm overdue for my Titanus shot, and I really, really ought to get that. Completely unrelated note, somewhat sportsy, I just read that the college football season, whatever college sports is at this point, it's gonna open in in a little less than a month in Texas is number one in the preseason coaches poll.

[Katie Greener]

Hook em Horns.

[Jack Armstrong]

I remember it was always the tradition among your bigger programs that their first two or three games of the year would be what my dad used to refer to as the Powder Puff bowl, where they would go into central Kansas Teachers College and beat the bejesus out of the poor lads, you know, 74 to 3. And. But they would split the revenue from the game. So the little teachers college would think, all right, what the heck, we got a few grand out of it. But that was the tradition. Anyway, But Texas, their first game of the year is going to be against number. Number two, Ohio State.

[Katie Greener]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. So a different philosophy there.

[Katie Greener]

Yeah, let's find out how good we are.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. So that's exciting if you're into college sports, whatever that is at this point. So, again, speaking of sports, I found this intriguing. Jack and I have both been following the Caitlin Clark story in the wnba. She is, you know, I. I've compared her to what Tiger woods did to golf, but it's much more than that. As, as. As monumental as Tiger. Tiger woods isn't on the Mount Rushmore of golf. He might be Mount Rushmore of the modern game and all the money involved, but golf. Respect to the stars of the past.

[Katie Greener]

Golf was already popular, though.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, yeah? Yeah. Like I say, I think Caitlin's.

[Katie Greener]

The NBA was not.

[Jack Armstrong]

Listen to this for a second. Caitlin Clark's impact. Merchandise sales have soared 601%. Her team, the Indiana Fever's, viewership jumped 170%. The team's value has tripled.

[Katie Greener]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

League Pass. TV subscriptions have climbed 366% since she joined the league last year. App engagement is up 613%. Her endorsements have topped $11 million. Holy crap.

[Katie Greener]

I was trying to find my coat quote from Ice Cube. Do you remember rapper Ice Cube? He had offered her, I think, $3 million to play in this 3x3 league that he was trying to start. And she decided to go into the wa. Any. Any WNBA anyway. And he was asked why he didn't offer, you know, big money to. What's her rival's name? Reese. Angela Reese. And he said they're in different. Caitlin Clark's in a completely different stratosphere than Reese. I mean, they're not even close to the same thing. He said as a from the hood black rapper who's always standing up for the black community, as a businessman, he said, they're not even close to the same thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, Right. So with that as the backdrop, I saw with interest this piece by Sean McClain, who is. You know, he's actually got a history working for Ted Cruz and Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee. Thinker, lobbyist, lawyer, et cetera. But anyway, his headline is the WNBA and Caitlin Clark's Civil Rights. If the league won't act to protect its superstar from a hostile work environment, the government should do so. And he talks about, in spite of her being the economic engine of the entire league now, she routinely faces intentional, intentional hits, excessive fouling, uncalled abuse while referees look away. Quotes one of her teammates And Caitlin Clark herself about how she gets the hell beat out of her in a way nobody else does in the league. And the refs look the other way and the players get away with it.

[Katie Greener]

Why would the refs look the other way?

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know.

[Katie Greener]

I get the player situation. I don't get the ref situation. Well, even the player situation. As Shaq and Charles Barkley and other others have said, what are you doing? This is the best thing that has ever happened to you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, here's where we're going. Is it because Ms. Clark is white? Asia Wilson of the Las Vegas Aces, three time league mvp thinks so. She said that race is a huge thing and that it boils my blood when people say it's not about race because it is.

[Katie Greener]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Said as a black woman under civil rights law, race motivated patterns trigger scrutiny even without explicit discriminatory intent. And then he goes into missed calls, include viral replays of Ms. Clark being fouled multiple times in a single possession. Analyst Rebecca Lobo said every single one of those is a foul. Ms. Clark absorbed 17% of the flagrant fouls in the league last year. That is something double the rate of anybody else who was flagrantly foul.

[Katie Greener]

And they're claiming the claim there is by people who know what they're talking about that she gets hard fouled a lot when they don't call it. So of the ones she called by one player, she took 17%. That's unbelievable.

[Jack Armstrong]

So this guy. And we're not into like excessive lawsuits and that sort of thing around here. What we'd like to do is dismantle a lot of the DEI garbage. But he writes the league has fostered a hostile workplace for Ms. Clark through excessive fouling, targeting and hostile comments from other players and owners. These are not isolated. They're documented, continued and ignored by officials. The disparity in treatment invites real scrutiny. Not a single player has been suspended for flagrantly fouling Ms. Clark.

[Katie Greener]

That's pretty interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

And he points out that professional sports are multi billion dollar industries and they're subject to the same civil rights, antitrust and labor laws as anybody el else.

[Katie Greener]

Wow. Yeah. I've never thought about this either because this seems like a unnecessary remedy. But if you've got given her money.

[Jack Armstrong]

And power and popularity and everything, I get it.

[Katie Greener]

But if you've got a white employee of a business who's getting the hell beat out of them because of their race, that seems like a thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. You see. Oh. Yukon hall of Fame coach Gino Ariema says Ms. Clark's treatment isn't merely rookie hazing quote, she's also being targeted. I don't remember when Michael Jordan came into the NBA guys looking to go out and beat him up. Of course, everybody got beat up in the NBA at that point. And then they get into the Supreme Court rulings that it doesn't need to be deliberate, it's just letting employees get favor. More favorable treatment than peers due to race. The shifts, the burden of the employer to prove non discriminatory motives. Anyway, she won't do it. But it's an interesting thought.

[Katie Greener]

Just surprised that there aren't more of the athletes or they, they haven't come to the conclusion. Like Shaq and Charles Barkley have said, you know, you want to beat her, you're competitive and all that sort of stuff, but good lord, let her bring in the ratings. So all of a sudden you're relevant and your league might actually have a shot of making money.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. Two things. She is also in a smallish group of straight players. I don't know how big a role that plays. But much more importantly, the WNBA players of today, unlike Shaq and Charles Barkley, for instance, they are of the generation that has been schooled on systemic racism and DEI and the rest of it. They believe that stuff they're taught at their entire school careers. So they see nothing but racism in Caitlin Clark's popularity. I want to take it out on her head.

[Katie Greener]

She's the all time leading scorer, men or women, in all of college basketball.

[Jack Armstrong]

People just like her because she's white. All right. I know, it's insane. It is. It is ideal ideological blindness that borders on mental illness.

[Katie Greener]

Yeah, I'd say. And to your own detriment. I know sometimes it's bad just because it's immoral, but when it's actually hurting your salary, that's nuts.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, right. In fact, that might be like the key to the diagnosis of mental illness. As Dr. Savage used to say, liberalism is a mental disorder. If I'm so racially resentful, I pretend that her popularity isn't, that she's an incredibly exciting player. Okay, all right. I'm kind of off kilter. But if I do it to my own detriment and that of my employer and my league and everything, that's when you're into Looney Tunesville.

[Katie Greener]

So I've had this chart for a while that I came across a couple of weeks ago about hunger and what it costs to eat in America. And I saw that dang TV commercial over the weekend again that psa. It's heartbreaking. If it were real. I don't think it's real outside of like two cases in the whole country. Have you seen that ad where looks like a middle class dad is sitting there with this kid having dinner. Clearly a single dad because there's nobody else around and kid says are you not gonna eat dad? Dad says no I'm not hungry. Hunger is a real thing. So he's going hungry so his child can eat. That ain't happening people. It's not happening. Why are we keep pretending that it is? It's good news that it doesn't happen anyway. I've got a chart about that among other things on the way. Stay here Armstrong and Getty Time for.

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[Katie Greener]

Oh my Gosh, you are out of the room. Joe, I just met Michelle's daughter. Salesperson Michelle we've known forever back when she was single and dating and trying to find a guy. Now she's been married for years and she brings her daughter. It's so interesting when you meet people in that completely different role of parent. It's just. Oh, it's so fantastic. Her cute little girl. Oh, I love that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Beautiful.

[Katie Greener]

What? That's just, just, just awesome. This is not awesome. In New York, it looks like there's a decent chance they're gonna elect a communist, which is so crazy it's good for Republicans.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, he's a communist and a Jew hater. Jack, back to you.

[Katie Greener]

I think overall it would be good for America. It's not overall going to be good for New York, but overall I think it'd be good for America. Your whole thing of the best way to discredit these ideas is to enact them.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right?

[Katie Greener]

So go ahead, give it a shot. But this, this is kind of interesting. We just came across this. This is, this is new stuff. This is a group called the Democratic Socialists of America that were having their meeting, I guess, the other day. Their big bumper sticker behind them or their slogan behind him. Socialism 2025. When will this idea die? How many times does it need to be tried and fail and often kill millions of people before people keep thinking it's a good idea?

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, it's amazing.

[Katie Greener]

Democratic Socialists of America. And they're talking about Mum Dami becoming New York and why they back him, by the way. They're all sitting there at their tables at their conference wearing Covid masks. This was like days ago. What?

[Jack Armstrong]

What the hell?

[Katie Greener]

The hell are you doing? And what is it with lefty politics that goes with COVID paranoia? What is that? Somebody needs to study that and fully understand it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Interesting. It's like a cosplay thing or something. But why the mask?

[Katie Greener]

I don't know. I know a few people that still do it and they're super lefties.

[Jack Armstrong]

The further left you are, the more likely you are to have a mask on.

[Katie Greener]

Why? I remember, I know when it was just Trump is anti mask, but that's not it anymore. There's.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think it is just they like being under threat that motivates them. It makes them feel good that they are scared. So they can all be scared together and banned together.

[Katie Greener]

Yeah, it is something like that. Anyway, here's a little clip of the Democratic Socialists of America talking about their hopeful hero, Mayor Mamdani.

[Democratic Socialist Speaker]

Dude Zoron is literally attempting to do what conservatives say, you know, we want to do, which is provide gender affirming care to anyone who wants it for free. And we're going to fly people in and pay for their hotel rooms and.

[Katie Greener]

We'Re going to do all of the.

[Democratic Socialist Speaker]

Like Fox News stuff. Like we're getting ideas from Fox News.

[Katie Greener]

I want.

[Democratic Socialist Speaker]

But most importantly is we collaborated with the Zoran Mandani campaign on his trans rights platform. And what we explicitly wanted to do was use the power of New York City to provide free gender affirming care. And I say free in case insurance companies decide to boot us off. Free gender affirming care, not just to people in New York City, but across the country.

[Katie Greener]

So they're backing Mum Dami's promise if he's mayor. And a lot of this stuff he's promising. I don't know if he's got the power as mayor to do. I don't know how politics works in New York or what the rules are.

[Jack Armstrong]

Getting the mayor significantly in this one. The budget.

[Katie Greener]

Well, right. Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. All the money. Can the mayor of New York privatize grocery stores? Can the mayor of New York decide somebody's paying for. But anyway, it's just directionally the fact that they are for free. Sex changes for children and anyone else paid for by the taxpayer, even if.

[Jack Armstrong]

You'Re not from New York, make it some sort of mecca of confused people getting sex changes that will ruin their lives.

[Katie Greener]

Nice platform. And they take down their masks when they talk. So they're wearing their Covid masks. They pull them down when they talk. When you're expelling the most air and Covid if you have it spittle, then put the mask back up. Okay. And the masks don't do much anyway. I don't know if you read about that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it came up once or twice.

[Katie Greener]

Okay. And then I wanted to hit this because it kind of fits in with the whole socialism thing. Free market does a pretty good job of doing all kinds of different stuff. In all of human history, it's never been easier to feed yourself than at this very moment, at least in terms of time and money that you need to spend to feed yourself. As recently as 1950, the average person in America spent about a quarter of their budget on food. As recently as 1950, a quarter of your budget was on food to feed yourself and your family. Now it's down to about 7% of what you need to your share of your home consumption dollars to feed yourself.

[Jack Armstrong]

Cut by almost 3/4. That's amazing.

[Katie Greener]

How do we still have PSAs running on the radio about hunger in America? Combine. You combine that with all the programs that we've got for food. If you are hungry, what do we. So we pretend all these different things, which helps, which helps drive the, these socialist nut jobs. They're, they're, they're crying themselves to sleep at night with the idea that there's all kinds of people that are going to bed hungry, which is not true.

[Jack Armstrong]

Big government and those that support it and want, you know, socialism, for instance, they've got to constantly invent reasons for the government to seize more power and seize more money. That's a good one. Children are starving, therefore it's just the same old thing.

[Katie Greener]

So Trump fired the lady that runs the Department of Bureau of labor thingy. What's that all about?

[Jack Armstrong]

Labor statistics.

[Katie Greener]

Yes, that's good stuff right there. Why did he fire her? Well, we got an explanation, I think.

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[Annabelle]

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[Trust and Will Representative]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Kamala Harris was on Colbert's show and told Stephen that, quote, growing up, she never wanted to be the President. See Kids, sometimes dreams do come true. Kamala says one of her favorites favorite.

[Trust and Will Representative]

Quotes is from her mother.

[Jack Armstrong]

Quote, don't let people tell you who you are. Instead, tell them who you are. Her least favorite quote, by the way, you're adopted.

[Katie Greener]

Looking up at the tv, they're calling it the Summer of the Tick. Have you heard that before?

[Jack Armstrong]

I was unaware. That's the worst slogan I've ever heard.

[Katie Greener]

That's not to, like, lure in tourists, is it? Probably not gonna work.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's not a good one. And this is a terrible movie, too. I'm not going to it.

[Katie Greener]

A couple of things to mention before we get to our main story. Just see that this happened last week. We didn't mention it, but apparently other inmates are now unhappy about it. Glenn Maxwell, you all know who she is. She got transferred to a much cushier prison last week. Yes, she, her new prison pals are disgusted because this is the story you've always heard that even, even criminals don't particularly like people who prey on children. That she was quietly transferred to the cushy prison camp known as Club Fed next week. And looking at it from above, it looks like a community college, not a prison.

[Jack Armstrong]

There aren't even fences.

[Katie Greener]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. It's a minimum security prison and sex offenders are almost never sent there.

[Katie Greener]

Why did that happen?

[Jack Armstrong]

Because that was her negotiating point with the Trump administration. Nobody's saying it out loud.

[Katie Greener]

What did she, what did she give?

[Jack Armstrong]

Not clear to me or anyone. She may have said, I'm not even sitting down with you people unless you transfer me to this prison. And they said, yeah, okay, we'll make it work. She said, all right, what do you want to know?

[Katie Greener]

Okay, well, that sucks. One other story. The New York Post is expanding to la. There's going to be an LA post starting next year. Los Angeles.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, wow.

[Katie Greener]

They're going to have a West coast version of the show. Of the, of the magazine that. Because it's very New York. I mean, there's national news also, but it's a very New York newspaper. They're going to do the same thing for la. And LA is lacking a newspaper.

[Jack Armstrong]

Really?

[Katie Greener]

The LA Times is so weak compared to other big city newspapers. No. That is exciting for us. Happy to hear that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Trump, they said my boobs were too big to be a Disneyland tour guide. Right. That sort of headline. You look forward to it.

[Katie Greener]

Or Shohei Ohtani hits five. The fifth home run in a row in a game. Some new west coast sports instead of always. Yankees, Red Sox.

[Jack Armstrong]

Come on now. I'm with you.

[Katie Greener]

Labor statistics don't compile themselves. It's not magic. You got to have a bureau. So you got a Bureau of Labor Statistics. And the woman that ran it got fired by Trump. And here's his explanation for why.

[Jack Armstrong]

We'Ll.

[Katie Greener]

Be announcing a new statistician sometime over the next three or four days. We had no confidence. I mean, the numbers were ridiculous, what she announced, but that was just one negative number. All of the numbers seem to be great, and so we'll see how that comes out. And if you remember, just before the election, this woman came out with these phenomenal numbers on Biden's economy. Phenomenal numbers. And then right after the election, they announced that those numbers were wrong. And that's what they did the other day. So it's a scam, in my opinion. Yeah, I don't. I don't know why he had to present it that way, because you're about. About to hear a different explanation for why the Bureau of Labor Statistics needs to be revamped or come up with a new formula. Why he had to present it as a, like a conspiracy against him. The Wall Street Journal has a whole bunch of quotes of him saying good things about numbers when they're favorable, which I don't think he can blame him for. What kind of politician would come out when he got really good economic news and say, I don't believe it. It. I think it's much worse than that. So, I mean, that's kind of an odd knock.

[Jack Armstrong]

It was funny how he. He, like, argued against his cases. He was making it. They had rosy numbers that they had downgraded later, and now this time they had rosy numbers that they downgraded later. You see the difference? Well, the difference is it either straddled the election or it was during his term. Let's.

[Katie Greener]

Kevin Hasset, one of his financial gurus, speaking for the White House, got asked about it on Meet the Press yesterday, and I thought his explanation was interesting.

[Cindy Crawford]

What evidence does the administration have that she manipulated the jobs numbers?

[Democratic Socialist Speaker]

Right. Well, what we've seen over the last few years is massive revisions to the jobs numbers. In fact, they were extremely reliable. The kind of numbers that you want to guide policy decisions and markets through Covid. And then when Covid happened because response rates went down a lot, then revision rates skyrocketed, so that the typical monthly revision often was bigger than the number itself. And now we had a number that just came out. The actual number for the month wasn't so bad, but the two months before were revised down by more than had ever happened since 1968. And in 2015, Alan Greenspan and I were asked to attend a conference at BLF where we were asked to give advice about how to modernize the data. And we warned that if they didn't try to let the data collection and calculation keep up with the data that was happening in the economy, that we would have problems like this.

[Katie Greener]

So that's a much calmer explanation in that the model for how they do this has been so off now ever since 2020. For instance, in July, they claimed 144,000 jobs, then revised it downward Friday to 19,000. I mean, when your numbers are that far off, what's the point of even doing it? I mean, what sort. These numbers come out so people can make decisions about raising or lowering interest rates or investing, whatever, all kinds of difference. But if they're that far off, you can't make any decisions.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, no, it's foolish to even do the preliminary numbers. What's the point? Yeah, I would agree. So if they're talking about a complete reset because of, you know, the difficulties of polling these days, the way they get these stats, all right, great.

[Katie Greener]

But you know, Trump claiming it's a Biden conspiracy is. That doesn't help anything.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's a fix. It's a scam. They're trying to screw me. All right, okay. All right.

[Katie Greener]

But he does, so does he like the heat that he brings on himself? Because he could have explained it this way. Look, the, the way they formulate the numbers obviously doesn't work. Look, look at all these months that they downgraded so much that it's. Well, listen to this next clip. Bessant talking about it.

[Cindy Crawford]

Were the numbers wrong? Do you have any hard evidence that you can present to the American public that these numbers, these revisions that were reported, and there were plenty of revisions under former President Biden, including right before the election. Do you have any hard evidence that these numbers were wrong?

[Democratic Socialist Speaker]

Yeah, there are. Is very hard evidence that we're looking at the biggest revision. Look at the of number. It is the evidence.

[Cindy Crawford]

But just saying it's an outlier is not evidence. Mr.

[Democratic Socialist Speaker]

It's a historically important outlier. It's something that's unprecedented.

[Cindy Crawford]

It's still not evidence.

[Democratic Socialist Speaker]

I've been looking at it for 40 years and I'm like, it must be a typo.

[Katie Greener]

Right? So she kept hammering on the what evidence do you have? He says the evidence is that they're so far off that there's something wrong, which makes sense to me. She's looking for the evidence of what Trump said though, that there's a conspiracy by Biden people or someone to make him look bad that does not exist.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's the same old Trump era dance we see over and over again. Trump shoots off his mouth, says something unsupportable. His aides go out and say something that kind of is sort of arguing in favor of Trump but really kind of a different point with the same conclusion and doing so fairly effectively. The point they're making overall about the labor statistics is a good one, sure, but that's not what Trump said, that's not what he meant, but.

[Katie Greener]

So why did he do it? What do you think?

[Jack Armstrong]

He just likes utterly undisciplined.

[Katie Greener]

You don't think there's a strategy, maybe two and a half dimensional chess?

[Jack Armstrong]

Only that knee jerk constantly point out to his fans how he's being attacked and screwed and a victim, which by the way he was a lot for a very long time. See Russia, collusion, hoax. See the summer of law. See the entirety of the major media being utterly unfair. So you know, I get it.

[Katie Greener]

Summer of the tick.

[Jack Armstrong]

It would help me if Hassett and Besant didn't have such similar names, one being the Secretary of Commerce and the other being the chairman of the economic Advisory council.

[Katie Greener]

That's an excellent complaint. Their names are too similar.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, maybe they can be like an Angelina thing. We can just haccent or something just to refer to them. But they're both very, very sharp guys. Impressive.

[Katie Greener]

Before we take a break, maybe I'll get to this on Wednesday which will be the anniversary, is that right? The 6th of 80 year anniversary of dropping the atomic bomb. George F. Will with an opinion piece in the Washington Post today. Eighty years since Hiroshima. How much longer can the world's luck hold out? Oh boy, ain't that the truth. It's nobody, nobody would have predicted we go 80 years without anybody using a nuclear weapon.

[Jack Armstrong]

And as you've pointed out many times, those weapons to the modern weapons are the same relationship as a pellet gun has to a cannon.

[Katie Greener]

Yeah, yeah, that and that's modern thermonuclear devices.

[Jack Armstrong]

Please make Hiroshima look like, you know, an unfunction. Unfortunate gas main explosion.

[Katie Greener]

Right. And that, yeah, that's another thing that people don't recognize. So the weapons are so much more powerful. Good Lord. I have a lot on this. I've been reading a lot about it. Why we did it. There's. There's information, there's new information. I didn't know that has come out as recently as the 90s. I always talk about when something happens. I say, boy, I can't wait 25 years from now, 50 years from now. We'll get the real story why this happened. Real story on why we didn't why we used the bomb as opposed to an invasion didn't come out till the 90s. I'd never heard this before, but we'll get into that later this week. We'll finish strong.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Ugh.

[Katie Greener]

Come on.

[Annabelle]

Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient.

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[Katie Greener]

Whoa.

[Annabelle]

This thing moves.

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[Cindy Crawford]

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[Annabelle]

If you eat too many ultra processed foods, you could be starving your gut microbes and they'll get hangry. That's one of many things I learned after working on a new audio course about the gut microbiome. You can learn how to keep your gut happy by listening to Try this from the Washington Post. I'm Christina Quinn. I host Try this. Dig in with me on practical advice for life's common challenges. Follow Try this right now, wherever you're listening. Seriously, try it.

[Trust and Will Representative]

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[Jack Armstrong]

There's an old saying that progressives love humanity, but they hate people. And conservatives don't really like humanity, but they like people. I'm definitely on that second tier, second group. In that second group, I can't decide if this is like one of these big meaningful stories or not. I'll just read it to you like a mystery. To the untrained eye, there was nothing nefarious about the packages that arrived at Camp Kennybrook containing a Harry Potter book, tampons, and a flashlight.

[Katie Greener]

Oh what?

[Jack Armstrong]

Stacy Landman knew better. All of the items were vehicles used by parents to smuggle food into the Monticello, New York camp she owns with her family. Something that's strictly forbidden since the contraband can attract bugs and mice and cause allergic reactions. Sneaking food outside food into camp. Summer camp is a tradition as old as the color war and canoeing. Generations of parents and campers have rolled Pringles tubes into towels and stuffed candy into tissue boxes and sliced open tennis balls. Campers hide the goods in laundry bags, lock boxes in pillowcases. One more little bit before we discuss. It got so bad at Camp Westmont in Pennsylvania's Pocono Mountains this year that administrators emailed parents on the second day of camp about the shocking abundance of food found in bunks that could lead to an infestation of mice and allegedly allergic reactions to nuts. Which I think is probably overrated these days. But I guess it's like an endemic problem at summer camps. The kids insisting that their parents send them cookies and candy and chips and the parents doing it, including buying a Harry Potter book, hollowing it out and filling it with candy. Eminem specifically.

[Katie Greener]

Why would you do this for your kid?

[Jack Armstrong]

See, that's, that's. And, and my, my family were law abiding, generally speaking, but both my mom and dad would have said no, it's out of the question. It's a reasonable policy they have for good reason. No, I'm not sending you anything or.

[Katie Greener]

Just the time and effort. I got other things to do. Then spend an hour. How long would it take to hollow out a book to put candy? Why do you need candy?

[Jack Armstrong]

Fill it with M and M's, then. Then go down to the post office and put it in a box and ship it and the rest of it.

[Katie Greener]

How about you go to camp and eat what they give you and learn.

[Jack Armstrong]

Last two weeks without Pringles, you'll be fine.

[Katie Greener]

And learn that a lot of life is going to be like that all.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sounds like stuff you would do in prison. Yeah, I know. Each generation devises something new. Sites like Amazon and Etsy offer modern smugglers cheap and easy access to hollowed out bottles of sunblock and hairspray that are meant to keep valuable say blah, blah, blah. We're on to you, say the camp counselors.

[Katie Greener]

Wow, that's funny, Mike. So my son did two Boy Scout camps in which there were some complaints about the food from all the, the scouts. But to, to me it was like, you know, getting a lesson in what I was just talking about, you know, learning to get by on what they give you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Katie Greener]

Etc. I, I didn't, I felt no need whatsoever to feel. Figure out a way to sneak in Pringles.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, right. And you know, the food back in the day at the old college dorm was not exactly gourmet. Right. But it's fine you dealt with it. It's a rite of passage. It's an incentive to do better in life, I think.

[Katie Greener]

But I am. But if somebody else's kid. Well, I suppose, you know, if you send your kid without that stuff and the other kids are eating Pringles and M&M's. But I'm more annoyed by the parents who, who know the rules are no electronics but let their kid take their phone or whatever. That, that one drives me nuts.

[Jack Armstrong]

The tampon box was filled with chocolate bars and re glued so it looked unopened.

[Katie Greener]

Chocolate bars and tampons are kind of a perpetual motion machine. It almost seems like based on my experience.

[Jack Armstrong]

See what you're driving.

[Katie Greener]

Check your class clock.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's time to stop Jack and Joe.

[Democratic Socialist Speaker]

They've gotta go.

[Jack Armstrong]

And if they don't give canned, they'll be back tomorrow.

[Katie Greener]

Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right, let's get a final thought from everybody in the crew to wrap up the day. There he is, Michelangelo, pressing the buttons.

[Katie Greener]

Michael.

[Jack Armstrong]

My family never snuck food into camp, but we always snuck food into the movie theaters.

[Katie Greener]

And that's different. That's just being frugal. They're charging you $7 for a bottle of water and $3 for a candy bar and variety of things.

[Jack Armstrong]

We always got caught though because it's like Mexican food with side dishes.

[Katie Greener]

And it stuck up the theater.

[Jack Armstrong]

They set up a whole buffet. Yeah. Katie Greener, esteemed newswoman, has a final thought. Katie, the go to movie theater food you sneak in is always a sandwich. Just put it in the purse.

[Katie Greener]

A sandwich.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sandwich. Oh yeah. Purse, sandwich. Love it. Yeah. J. Jack, final thought for us.

[Katie Greener]

I ordered some of them Nazi jeans last commercial break. So I'll be wearing my. Oh, look at my jeans. Blue eyed white supremacy American eagle jeans here soon.

[Jack Armstrong]

Down with your fascist jeans. Nice, nice. Here's a mom, first name and last proudly tells the the paper. She taped airheads to the pages of books to make her 9 year old and 11 year old feel like they're not really away from home.

[Katie Greener]

I want my son to feel like he's away from home. I want him to have a that experience. It's interesting that you want. I don't know. Okay. It's up to you. But why do you want your kid to eat more crap though? Go to great lengths to make sure they get their daily allotment of crap to eat.

[Jack Armstrong]

Here's a family that's that removed the stuffing from a teddy bear and stuffed it full of candy.

[Katie Greener]

What the hell's the matter with you? You're nuts. And I'm, you know, I'm not perfect on our eating habits.

[Jack Armstrong]

As always, your kids are gonna end up in prison.

[Katie Greener]

Armstrong and Getty Wrapping Wrapping up another grueling four hour workday.

[Jack Armstrong]

There's a soccer ball hollowed out.

[Katie Greener]

What the hell.

[Jack Armstrong]

So many people. Thanks. A little time go to Armstrong and getty.com drop us a note mailbag@armstrong and.

[Katie Greener]

Getty.Com we will see tomorrow with the news of the day and everything else. God Bless America. Armstrong and Getty baby if you've ever.

[Democratic Socialist Speaker]

Wondered.

[Jack Armstrong]

If Jack and Joe missed any of today's big story, don't be a dope cause you know they covered everything. But if you missed it, there's no need to worry.

[Katie Greener]

Just download the podcast.

[Democratic Socialist Speaker]

I'm strong and get it on demand.

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[Annabelle]

If you eat too many ultra processed foods you could be starving your gut microbes and they'll get hangry. That's one of many things I learned after working on a new audio course about the gut microbiome. You can learn how to keep your gut happy by listening to Try this from the Washington Post. I'm Christina Quinn. I host Try this. Dig in with me on practical advice for life's common challenges. Follow Try this right now, wherever you're listening. Seriously, try it.

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