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Episode: "Who Draws the Lines? Lanhee Chen Talks to A&G"
Date: September 17, 2025
Host: Armstrong & Getty (Jack Armstrong)
Guest: Lanhee Chen, David and Diane Steffi Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Director of Domestic Policy Studies at Stanford University

Overview

In this episode, Armstrong & Getty welcome political scholar Lanhee Chen for a deep dive into the current climate of American politics. The conversation focuses on the divisiveness in the wake of recent political violence, the ongoing national and state-level redistricting battles—particularly California’s prospective ballot measure—and Gavin Newsom’s ambitions on the national stage. Chen also shares his outlook on the economy and weighs in on why some popular political stories don’t interest him.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. National Mood and Political Division

• Aftermath of Political Violence: The conversation opens with reflections on the recent tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk and its chilling effect beyond politicians, touching ordinary Americans (04:08–05:06).

  • Quote:

    "What I continue to reflect is the way in which this kind of violence impacts people who aren’t even elected officials, just people who are speaking up and expressing their points of view."
    —Lanhee Chen (04:27)

• Living With New Anxieties: Both speakers note how daily life now involves subtle fears and vigilance.

  • Quote:

    "I noticed myself when I’ve been pulling into the parking lots, like, is that car always there?... just that sort of thing."
    —Jack Armstrong (04:46)

• Importance of Dialogue: Chen emphasizes how redistricting is deepening divisions by removing opportunities to interact with those holding opposing views (05:06–06:21).

  • Quote:

    "It’s good for us to have opportunities to interact with people with whom we disagree, and I think we need more of that in our society, not less."
    —Lanhee Chen (06:06)

2. Redistricting Battles: California and Beyond

• Context: States like Texas have a history of mid-decade redistricting, and now California considers a ballot measure to permit it (06:21–07:09).

• The “Trump” Factor: Chen explains how proponents frame the California measure as a referendum on Trump, not redistricting (07:09–07:56).

  • Quote:

    "They have painted it as... do you like Donald Trump or not? And this will be the... probably the fourth or fifth election cycle in a row where they’re gonna run this playbook."
    —Lanhee Chen (07:09)

• Prognosis of Ballot Measure: Although polling suggests the measure will fail, Chen warns it could be close because of the political framing (07:04–08:31).

• Schwarzenegger’s Intervention: Former Governor Schwarzenegger (who championed California’s independent commission) speaks out against returning redistricting power to politicians, reinforcing the nonpartisan importance of the issue (08:54–10:12).

  • Quote:

    "The effort that Gavin Newsom and his allies are undertaking with this proposition... is really an effort to give the power to redistrict back to politicians and away from... the more independent process which we’ve had in California since 2008 and 2010 for congressional seats."
    —Lanhee Chen (09:05)

3. Gavin Newsom’s National Ambitions

• National Perception vs. Local Experience: Newsom is seen by national pundits as a strong presidential contender due to his visibility and how he appeals to the Democratic primary voter base (10:12–11:15).

  • Quote:

    "Whatever you think of what Newsom’s doing, he’s out there... Politics abhors a vacuum, and Newsom has stepped into that in a very real way."
    —Lanhee Chen (10:27)

• Challenges for Newsom: The hosts and guest question how Newsom could overcome persistent issues like California’s homelessness crisis and out-migration in a national campaign (11:15–12:31).

  • Quote:

    "We have, in politics, recency bias... we forget about the French Laundry... his extremely progressive past, which I think is out of step with the vast majority of the American people."
    —Lanhee Chen (11:30)

4. Epstein Files Disinterest

• Why Not All Scandals Stick: When asked about the persistent Epstein story, Chen (and Armstrong) both express a lack of interest, seeing it as unproductive for public discourse (12:31–13:24).
  • Quote:

    "Every time I hear about the Epstein files or Epstein, I just cringe because I know there’s nothing redeeming about this at all... It doesn’t make us better as a country to have a conversation about the Epstein files."
    —Lanhee Chen (12:38)

5. Economic Outlook and Policy Concerns

• Federal Reserve & Inflation: Jack refers to Trump’s criticism of Fed Chairman Powell. Chen touches on the ongoing concern for economic recovery, inflation, and policy impacts on everyday Americans (13:26–14:28).

  • Quote:

    "I think there are a lot of people who are still having a tough time given the economy and they're looking at prices still being probably a little higher than they like... I’m optimistic about it. I think as we go into next year, things are going to pick up."
    —Lanhee Chen (13:45)

• Division’s Impact: Chen notes a need to monitor how Washington’s divisions might impact economic prospects in the coming year.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Redistricting and Polarization:

  "District lines in California—should be drawn by politicians or by citizens? That’s the fundamental question."
  —Lanhee Chen (10:00)

• On California’s Ballot Measure Campaigns:

  "Silly me, I thought it would be about the issue itself, but people wore masks or didn’t wear masks because it demonstrated, are you for Trump or not?"
  —Jack Armstrong (08:31)

• On National vs. Local Newsom Perceptions:

  "Like you, Jack, I think being in or near California and seeing him in action up close for the last eight years, I think we have a point of view that might be very different..."
  —Lanhee Chen (12:17)

Important Timestamps

| Timestamp | Topic/Event | |--------------|---------------------------------------------------------| | 04:08 | Reflections on Charlie Kirk assassination | | 05:06 | Redistricting’s impact on polarization | | 07:09 | Ballot measure being framed as a Trump referendum | | 08:54 | Schwarzenegger’s statement on redistricting integrity | | 10:12 | National perception of Gavin Newsom | | 11:15 | Newsom’s challenges: homelessness & out-migration | | 12:38 | Dismissing the Epstein files discussion | | 13:45 | Economic concerns and future outlook |

Tone & Style

The conversation is direct, unscripted, and occasionally self-deprecating. Armstrong is candid and conversational, while Chen offers measured, policy-oriented insights but doesn’t shy away from revealing personal opinions. Both share concerns about growing societal tribalism and stress the importance of honest civic engagement over partisan theatrics.

This summary provides an in-depth overview of the episode’s key debates and themes, attributing perspectives and direct quotes to guide listeners—or non-listeners—through the most significant moments of the discussion.