Who's Your Daddy? I'm Your Daddy.

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: Who's Your Daddy? I'm Your Daddy.

Release Date: April 1, 2026
Hosts: Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty, Michael, Producer/Announcer
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

This episode of Armstrong & Getty On Demand features Jack, Joe, and the crew as they dive into news and cultural commentary with their trademark irreverence and skepticism. Major themes include celebrity accountability, the influence of “woke” culture in institutions, manipulation of information sources like Wikipedia and AI, global economics, digital scams, the new space race, the Supreme Court’s arguments on birthright citizenship, higher education’s value, and the tradition (and pitfalls) of April Fool’s pranks.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tiger Woods’ Return to Treatment & Public Accountability

[00:42–01:44]

• Headline Recap: Tiger Woods steps away from golf after a crash and announces plans for rehab.
  • E reads Woods’ statement: “I’m committed to taking the time needed to return in a healthier, stronger and more focused place, both personally and professionally.”
• Critical Commentary:
  • Michael critiques: “His statement, like most things in his life, was all about me, me, me... No mention of the fact that he so easily could have killed somebody again by driving like a complete nut job out of his mind on drugs... Which means he's nowhere near getting over his addiction.” (01:15)
  • Jack adds: “Something about the pain he caused his family, which is kind of an automatic, isn’t it?” (01:39)

2. Parental Rights & the Medical "Woke" Takeover

[02:35–04:54]

• Topic: Parents being asked to leave the room during their child’s medical appointments; state vs. clinical guidelines.

  • Jack explains the lack of federal law and overreliance on guidelines from “captured” institutions like AMA, AAP, and medical schools influenced by “wokeness.”
  • Michael admits: “I gotta admit, I'm full of embarrassment that I agreed to leave the room. I'll never do it again.” (03:30)
  • Michael gives nuance: “If I had a teenage daughter who said, I'd like to talk to the doctor about something… I'd say, okay, sure, fine. … Just them automatically... I'll take the wheel now. … F you. And I don’t mean the person who asked yesterday. I mean the institution.” (04:06)

• Philosophical Divide: Michael: “That’s quite a philosophical break. People who believe the family is like the sole important unit of our society and people who don’t.” (04:54)

3. The Corruption of Wikipedia and Implications for AI

[05:10–06:45]

• Media Manipulation:
  • Jack relays reporting on Wikipedia editors sanitizing the reputations of politicians with radical ties, e.g., Zoran Muhamdani and his wife’s pro-Hamas posts.
  • Key Insight: “Wikipedia is one of the primary learning sources for AI systems... that’s kind of troubling. Well, it’s not kind of troubling, it’s completely troubling.” (06:29–06:45)
  • Michael notes: “Whenever I… ask [chatbots] a question … Wikipedia is almost always the first source that it’s using.” (06:29)

4. Trauma as a Political Credential

[06:45–09:40]

• Humorous Take: Democrats “bringing back the hardship Olympics,” with candidates telling exaggerated trauma stories for political gain.
  • Jack lampoons: “If you’ve had a really good life like Gavin Newsom, it’s dyslexia and a rich absent father who… funded his entire career.” (08:44)
  • Michael observes wryly: “If your kid is happy every moment of their childhood, you’re probably doing something wrong.” (09:40)

5. Argentina’s Economic Renaissance under Javier Milei

[09:55–12:10]

• Reporting on Argentina’s Success:
  • Jack shares: “GDP expanded 4.4% last year… Annual inflation was 160%… now at the lowest level in eight years… cut by something like 90%... Poverty has fallen too, despite sharp cut to subsidies that sparked mass protests.” (09:55–10:54)

6. State-Level Digital Scams: Fake Courts and Cops

[11:46–12:58]

• Warning about Sophisticated Scams:
  • Jack describes: “India is leading the way in these incredibly elaborate digital scams... it's Hollywood quality sets… tricking people with fake police stations and courtrooms.” (12:35)
  • Notable moment: Even a former Rutgers med school professor was duped.
  • Michael reacts in disbelief: “Really?” (12:35)
• Vulnerability in Immigrant Communities: Scams prevalent in the US mainly in immigrant circles unfamiliar with American procedures.

7. The New Space Race: US vs. China

[15:08–17:31]

• News Item: China lands robot on far side of moon; US plans manned mission in 2028.
• Hosts’ Analysis:
  • Michael critiques media: “I was listening to NPR's take on the moon mission today... it was all identity politics with no mention... of the space race going on between us and China. That’s clearly what’s driving this.” (15:34)
  • Jack agrees: “That is a bizarre take by an organization that claims to be a news organization…” (16:10)
  • Michael argues: “You can’t get people motivated over first Jewish female astronaut the way you can exploring new frontiers, which... grabs the imagination and is amazing.” (16:17)

8. Higher Education, Degrees, and “Return on Investment”

[17:45–18:45]

• Graduate Degrees' Economic Value:
  • Michael reports on a study: “Some popular graduate degrees may have zero or negative return. A study finds…” (17:45)
  • Hosts support choice, but with caveats: “Anybody studying anything because they're interested in it, but just don't make me pay for it… If you can find a job that pays your rent… knock yourself out.” (18:17)

9. Supreme Court Oral Arguments: Birthright Citizenship

[18:53–26:43]

• Trump Attends SCOTUS Arguments (Historic First):
  • Michael notes: “Apparently, Trump has left the Supreme Court… first time a sitting President has ever attended the royal arguments ever in our nation’s history.” (19:11)
  • *Jack and Michael riff on whether Trump tried to intimidate the Court—"I’m your daddy”—or was simply interested in the case.
• Key Legal Debates:
  • Clips aired of oral argument, focusing on the meaning of “domicile” (21:49–22:51).
  • Jack summarizes the question: “Is the person passing through or do they live here? … the 14th amendment was never intended to reflect somebody who… came in to do business…and then left.” (23:07)
  • Birth tourism highlighted: “There are 500… birth tourism companies in… China whose business is to bring people here to give birth and return…” (24:01, Joe Getty)
  • Balancing past and present: “Well, it’s a new world. It’s the same Constitution.” (24:48, Jack)
  • Jack reflects: “The tradition was you would never do that because it could be seen as one branch interfering with the other branch or intimidation or whatever.” (27:13)

Notable Quotes

• “[Wikipedia is] being used to train AI systems. So that's kind of troubling. Well, it's not kind of troubling, it's completely troubling.” — Jack Armstrong [06:45]
• “His statement, like most things in his life, was all about me, me, me... No mention of the fact that he so easily could have killed somebody again by driving like a complete nut job out of his mind on drugs...” — Michael [01:15]
• “I gotta admit, I'm full of embarrassment that I agreed to leave the room. I'll never do it again.” — Michael [03:30]
• “If your kid is happy every moment of their childhood, you're probably doing something wrong.” — Michael [09:40]
• “That is a bizarre take by an organization that claims to be a news organization that they'd look at that angle.” — Jack Armstrong [16:10]
• “Who's your daddy? I'm your daddy.” — Jack Armstrong, on Trump’s possible motivation for attending SCOTUS [26:49]

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Other Memorable Moments

April Fools’ Pranks & Radio Nostalgia

[28:21–32:38]

• Hosts reminisce and lambaste April Fools’ prank traditions.
  • Mocking the cruelty of typical pranks, e.g., fake firings or fake parades.
  • Producer recalls being left live on air after hosts staged a fake argument and stormed off (31:01).
  • Michael reflects: “So here's some people that I work for. We're now going to make it clear that you can't believe anything we say, or that we think cruelty to you, causing you emotional pain for our pleasure, is perfectly on the table.” (32:08)
  • Hosts agree they’ve mellowed with age and are “less fun, evidently.”

Quick Hits: State Income Tax, Social Security, Cuba

• Washington State’s New Income Tax & Government “Money Is Fungible” Lesson
  • Jack quips about promises of dedicated tax funding: “Money is fungible.” (34:03)
  • Hosts point out the ongoing Social Security misconception: money just goes into the general fund.
• Cuba Update
  • Jack: “I’m super excited about Cuba. Nobody’s talking about Cuba. The crumbling of the evil communist Castro regime...”
  • Michael recommends the book Cuba Libre for historical context.
  • Political note: Trump allowed oil tanker into Cuba due to other international priorities (35:37).

Teasers & What’s Next

• Upcoming Discussion: “Delusional spiraling” in AI chatbots (teased for hour four, 32:45).
• Canada’s “lost its mind” policies—also in hour four.
• Final Reflection: “You're not protesting like Dr. King”—Armstrong teases a thoughtful article about protest methods by MLK’s nephew (36:51).

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Tiger Woods, celebrity accountability: 00:42–01:44
• Parental rights/medical privacy & woke influence: 02:35–04:54
• Wikipedia, AI, media manipulation: 05:10–06:45
• Political “trauma Olympics”: 06:45–09:40
• Argentina's economy under Milei: 09:55–12:10
• Sophisticated digital scams: 11:46–12:58
• The new space race (US–China): 15:08–17:31
• Grad degrees & return on investment: 17:45–18:45
• Supreme Court/birthright citizenship: 18:53–26:43
• April Fools’ radio stories & pranks: 28:21–32:38
• Washington’s income tax/Social Security: 32:59–35:05
• Cuba’s present and future: 35:05–36:51

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Tone & Style

The hosts maintain their sardonic, conversational style—combining skeptical analysis, self-deprecating humor, and exasperation with modern trends (“the woke left,” government overreach, and institutional capture). Banter and generational nostalgia are interspersed with serious policy critique.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode covers a wide swath of current affairs, using a blend of personal stories, humor, and pointed political commentary. From medical privacy and the culture wars to the geopolitics of Argentina and China, as well as the legal intricacies of US birthright citizenship, Armstrong & Getty provide colorful, critical takes designed to engage and provoke thought. The episode also offers lighthearted moments via April Fool’s discussions and inside-radio stories, conveying both the signature edge and the humanity of the hosts.

Recommended for: Fans of sharp cultural critique, debates about law and policy, and those seeking both big-picture analysis and behind-the-scenes radio stories.

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Listen to the full episode for deeper dives on each topic and lively banter!

Transcript

[Producer/Announcer]

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[Show Announcer]

broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[E]

Tiger woods is once again stepping away from golf after Friday's crash in Jupiter, Florida. He says he's entering treatment so he can, quote, work toward lasting recovery. His post on X reading in part I'm committed to taking the time needed to return in a healthier, stronger and more focused place, both personally and professionally. It's been nearly two years since Tiger played golf on the PGA Tour. Though he has played in tournaments, the PGA supports the 15 time major champions decision and posted on X. Above all else, Tiger is a person and our focus is on his health and well being.

[Michael]

Yeah, his statement, like most things in his life, was all about me, me, me. Here's what I'm going to do to make my life better, my life this, my life that. No mention of the fact that that he so easily could have killed somebody again by driving like a complete nut job out of his mind on drugs and could have killed somebody. Nothing on that to me. Which means he's nowhere near getting over his addiction. The fact that he's supposed to be

[Jack Armstrong]

something about the pain he caused his family, which is kind of an automatic, isn't it?

[Michael]

He, he said we would like privacy at this moment or something like that. But the I'm going to work to get my blah, my my, my and no, thank God I didn't kill anybody which should you know. Anyway, I said what I said. So we got the Supreme Court oral arguments going on on the birthright citizenship case going on right now and we can talk more about that later. Just saw this that Gorsuch, according to Jonathan Turley, has continued to express a degree of skepticism toward the historical arguments of the administration. The historical arguments of the administration, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Keeping in mind that a guy like Gorsuch will ask the tough questions because he's trying to find flaws in his own argument often. But we'll see.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you missed our fabulous preview of this case, it took place in our one right of the show. Yeah. Armstrong and Getty on demand. Subscribe to the podcast so a quick follow up then as we affectionately call a little bingo bango bongo. Stories that are definitely worth hearing about, at least in brief. But Jack, following up on your discussion of being asked to leave the room so the medical professional can get with your child and take control of the situation, the federal laws on this are practically non existent. It's a state by state thing. But even more than that, it's largely clinical guidelines recommended by groups like the ama, AAP and acog, which I could probably figure out what it stands for, but I don't know.

[Michael]

Even more reason to ignore them.

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly. Especially when we've documented for you good people over and over again how a lot of the big medical organizations have been completely captured by the woke. Left.

[Michael]

I gotta admit, I'm full of embarrassment. Full of embarrassment that I agreed to leave the room. I'll never do it again. I'll never do it again.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's taught in medical training. Again. The medical schools are famously captured by the woke. They were among the most susceptible to the WOKE takeover in recent years. Really more than that. On university campuses, it's taught medical training is best practice, especially for adolescent adolescents. Reproductive health visits and domestic violence screening. But it's left to provider discretion in most places. No, I cannot speak to Cal Unicornia Now.

[Michael]

Let me throw this in just so I don't come off as a complete monster. If I had a teenage daughter who said, I'd like to talk to the doctor about something and it's. I don't really want you to, I'd say, okay, sure, fine. You know, if it's just, you know, the sort of thing you don't want to talk about in front of your dad, maybe. I don't know. I suppose that could happen. I don't have a daughter, but, you know, the reverse. Just them automatically. As you said, I'll take the wheel now. I'm in charge of the whole parenting thing. You leave the room. F you. And I don't mean the person who asked yesterday. I mean the institution.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right. Here. Here. Yeah. There is a hell of a lot in our lives that has crept in via the universities and medical schools and the capture of these organization more than I probably even realize. And I'm pretty sensitive to it.

[Michael]

If you'd like to look into this stuff. It's really interesting that that's quite a philosophical break. People who believe the family is like the sole important unit of our society and people who don't. It's pretty interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

Agreed. So, as a bridge to some of the other stories I wanted to bring to you, I was clauding the question of what's the basis of these practices to, you know, state law, federal law, you know, AMA or whatever. And it occurred to me that, as always with AI in search, I might be getting a distorted result, which reminded me that the New York Post had a really good piece about how a handful of woke Wikipedia editors have completely twisted Wikipedia into a progressive organization. You're saying, yeah, Joe, we know that. But what hadn't dawned on me. And I'll give you the example then I'll give you the significance. Wikipedia editors are editing the crap out of any coverage of Zoran Muhamdani, for instance, his relationships with radical groups during one of his rap songs back before he was in politics. He's a rapper. He was shouting out to five men convicted of financing Hamas, men who were held liable in federal court for the murder of a boy from New York City. But they're cleansing all of that. Here's the problem. Wikipedia is one of the primary learning sources for AI systems.

[Michael]

I, I noticed that whenever I don't know if every AI does this, but a lot of them do. The chat bots, you ask it a question and you can see it thinking and the sources it's using. And Wikipedia is almost always the first source that it's using to give you the information.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, right. And the Free Beacon, the Washington Free Beacon has done some great writing on this too. Let's see. A look at some key pages on the site reveals the links to which Wikipedia editors are willing to go to shape Mamdani's public image and critically that of his wife Rama Duaji and her pro Hamas social media posts. And then a report by Washington Free Beacon found that Duaji created a post on blogging site Tumblr with the photo of a terrorist with a caption echoing that person's words and giving a big thumbs up. And then, let's see, here's a post. If I told you that the New York Times hired a recently graduated college student with only a couple prior articles written on the subject of food and cooking to be their lead on the ground reporter on the mass rape hoax in Britain, would you believe it? And that's this guy who, who is repeating reporting on it. And then Wikipedia used that biased reporting and cleansed any unfortunate details from there from the already biased journalism, so called journalism. And again, it's being used to train AI systems. So that's kind of troubling. Well, it's not kind of troubling, it's completely troubling. But moving along, this is just funny. Trauma is the New Black is the title of this somewhat humorous post about how it starts with this Abdul Al Said, far left terrorist adjacent Democrat running for the US Senate in Michigan. He's running in the primary and he's doing very, very well. The funny story about how he's been boasting for years about doing time, quote unquote. After getting arrested for blocking traffic at a protest in 2018, I put my body on the line and took an arrest. And I didn't take the politicians arrest where they like around and drop you off. No, I took the whole arrest. I did my time. Except he didn't. According to police records, he was taken by a van to a detention center in Detroit where he was issued a citation for disorderly conduct and released immediately. He paid a $200 fine and the charges were dropped. But the tail's been a central component of his campaign pitch. He's told the story over and over and over again. Joe Biden like. And then what really amused me is they get into Democrats are bringing back the hardship Olympics in 2026 and beyond. Candidates across the country are their own lawyers. How to get arrested on camera without suffering real consequences. And they go through how you have to lean into your childhood trauma. If you've had a really good life like Gavin Newsom, it's dyslexia and a rich absent father who by the way funded his entire career. For Josh Shapiro, it's what he describes as at points an unhappy childhood home. Wow. Those of us who had exclusively perfectly everyday happy homes feel for you. For J.B. pritzker, it's becoming a billionaire orphan at 17 and combating fat.

[Michael]

If your kid is happy every moment of their childhood, you're probably doing something wrong.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they go into.

[Michael]

Unless you really like doing laundry and mowing the lawn or a variety of things.

[Jack Armstrong]

Here's another story that I wanted to bring to you at least briefly. This should be a story everybody in America has heard and it's incredibly important and nobody will hear it except you good people. The story of Argentina under President Javier Milei. Their GDP expanded 4.4% last year. Further confirmation of Milei's success in turning around the economy. Highest growth in years apart from the pandemic. Bounce back. And part of the unbelievable shift in South America's second largest economy since they abandoned socialism and went with free markets. Annual inflation was 160% when he took power in 2023. It's now at the lowest level in eight years. It remains higher than they want. What is the current figure out?

[Michael]

Stop it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't want to subscribe. It's down to something like 12% if I'm reading this. Yeah. According to this, this chart it is unbelievable success. Poverty has fallen too, despite Malay's sharp cut to subsidies that Sparked mass protests. Still, a self described anarcho arnac, anarcho capitalist approval rating is struggling, driven in part by accusations of corruption, of course, as well as concerns over stagnating incomes and because everybody who's benefiting from the social state is desperate to get rid of the guy. But again, inflation's been cut by something like 90%. And then finally, this. Fake cops, fake judges, the Hollywood style scam poised to go global. India is leading the way in these incredibly elaborate digital scams where you're contacted through various means and told you have to have a video conference with a court or an authority or an investigative body or whatever. And it's Hollywood quality sets where the judge is sitting there with his robes. They pan around, there's the bailiff, there's the court recorder, reporter or whatever, recorder. And, and, or if it's a cop shop, it's like a full police station. And granted, it still takes a bit of. Are you serious? You fell for this? But it's incredibly elaborate, high budget live video conference scamming that's going on. And this one woman's a former assistant professor at Rutgers University's medical school and she got duped.

[Michael]

Really?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Hollywood level production that mimics the machinery of the state, tricking people with fake police stations in courtrooms.

[Michael]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

I would never fall for this, but a lot of people do.

[Michael]

Don't think I would either. You just dialed me up from the courtroom.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, but here's the thing. It started appearing in US immigrant communities. Not widespread in Western countries except in the immigrant communities, in part because there aren't scammers that are proficient enough in Western procedures and that sort of thing. But again, in immigrant communities where everything's a little more informal and weird in their court systems, they fall for it. It's crazy.

[Michael]

Blasting off to the moon later today, we got a Supreme Court case going on right now and Donald Trump's actually in the room at the Supreme Court to listen to the arguments and other stuff to talk about. Stay here.

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[Space News Commentator]

US does seem to be winning. We know we like to win here in America, but China has landed a robot on the far side of the moon that never faces Earth, and that's something that the US has never done. However, we are the only country to send humans to the moon, and NASA hopes to do it again in 2028, two years before China plans to. The US also wants the permanent moon base and humans on Mars starting in the early2030s ahead of China.

[Michael]

Yeah, I was listening to NPR's take on the moon mission today. First time humans are headed toward the moon in half a century and it was all identity politics with no mention. I haven't heard hardly anybody mentioned the space race that's going on between us and China. That's clearly what's driving this. NASA didn't decide to do this so that they could have the first ever female black whatever. That's not what's driving, or it shouldn't be what's driving this stuff. We're in a race with China for superiority over the next frontier, which is clearly space.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is a bizarre take by an organization that claims to be a news organization that they'd look at that angle.

[Michael]

Well, you know, as I've been saying for years and I've never heard anybody else say this, so maybe I'm wrong, but I think what killed NASA off was doing all identity politics and everybody younger generations lost their wonder. You can't get people motivated over first Jewish female astronaut the way you can exploring new frontiers which just, you know, grabs the imagination and is amazing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that's one of the insidious things about Wokeism and leftism in general, they don't see the universal. All they see is the intersectional. Every kid ought to be thrilled and amazed by giant rockets blasting off into space. But no, no. This mission only be excited if you're an Indian American lesbian.

[Michael]

It's coming, though, and I hope I get to see it in my lifetime. The claims on planets or space by various countries and just might makes right. No, no, no.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's not the moon. It's our moon.

[Michael]

At some point that's gonna happen, or at least this chunk of the moon. No, no, no, you can't because. Right. No rules.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Michael]

China could go up there and take down our American flag. Only if we can stop them, would we stop them. Discussions that have not been had.

[Jack Armstrong]

As you point out, space is so clearly the next frontier of warfare or the avoidance of warfare.

[Michael]

Yeah. How much time I got, Michael? Are we out of time already?

[Producer/Announcer]

One minute.

[Michael]

Okay, I'll fit this in. Just came across this article that some people are reacting negatively to some popular graduate degrees may have zero or negative return. A study finds what in terms of finances and the pushback has been. Imagine studying something just because you find it interesting rather than because of, quote, return. Which I am fine with. Anybody studying anything because they're interested in it, but just don't make me pay for it. It or pay for you. If you can't figure out how to make a living, I mean, you still

[Jack Armstrong]

got to tell me how to run my country. Permanent student types.

[Michael]

If you can find a job that pays your rent and pays your food and you wanted to get a green, I don't know, pottery making, go ahead, knock yourself out. But don't expect us to pick up the slack if you can't make a living doing it or pay for your bills. If you decide to take out a loan and decide that wasn't the best idea I ever made, it's just gonna

[Jack Armstrong]

say we're not bailing out your loans. You took them on, take them. Pay it.

[Michael]

Supreme Court oral arguments going on right now. We can check in on that, among other things. Coming up.

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[Michael]

I just came across this tweet. It's a couple days old from Nate Silver, though. Funny though, we understand these are challenging times for the literally dozens of Americans who are rooting for Duke. That is funny. Apparently, Trump has left the Supreme Court. CNN says Trump leaves Supreme Court as justices. Justices express deep skepticism of his birthright citizenship case, which we'll get into more of that in a second. But apparently that's the first time a sitting President has ever attended the royal arguments ever in our nation's history. Wow, interesting. You're not supposed to be able to leave unless, I mean, you can't. Once you're in there, you have to stay in there.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. You can't come and go from the Supreme Court now.

[Michael]

Got to assume that doesn't apply to a president during wartime. What if I make some decisions on the whole war? You got to stay till lunchtime. Sorry, just the rules.

[Jack Armstrong]

Chairman of Joint Chiefs is texting me. Your phone's supposed to be off, buddy.

[Michael]

Okay,

[Jack Armstrong]

Trump, what if you have to go really, really bad? What if you raise your hand, say, excuse me, Mr. Chief Justice, I gotta go bad. It's gonna be, I mean it's, it's either here or in the bathroom. I'll leave that critical decision up to you. Your honor.

[Michael]

I wonder if Trump is gonna say something about what he was hearing from some of the justices he appointed. He's gonna. You said he said some bad things about the justices last night. I didn't hear any of that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, it was terrible. I think we have, I thought we had that tape, that audio. I don't see it.

[Michael]

They're arguing whether over the whole birthright citizenship thing applies the way it's being applied. Anybody that comes to this country, you have a baby here, they're a US citizen with all the rights and services, taxpayer funded services that come with that for the rest of their lives, up

[Jack Armstrong]

to and including some birth tourist, Chinese oligarchs, surrogate, who, as I put it indelicately earlier in the show, gets off a plane, squats on the tarmac at lax, pops a kid and then gets back on the plane, goes back to China, that kid's a U.S. citizen. I would care a lot, I would

[Michael]

care a lot less if we weren't such a welfare state. But you, you get into this country any way you can, and you have a kid here, that kid. Now I, I have to feed and house and medicate and take care of their medical bills for the rest of their life As a taxpayer. Correct kind of deal is that?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, we take care of illegals too in the blue states, but what are you going to do? You're going to vote in the next election anyway. We ready for a little audio? Just to give you a sampling of what it sounded like. This is my man Neil Gorsuch with the, the advocate for the administration's position whose domicile matters.

[Supreme Court Lawyer]

I mean, it's not the child, obviously, it's your, it's the parents. You'd have us focus on. And you know, what if, Is it the husband, is it the wife? What if they're unmarried? Whose domicile?

[Joe Getty]

Well, in the executive order, it draws a distinction between the mother and the father. That's really the mother's domicile. I think that would matter.

[Supreme Court Lawyer]

Well, but 1868 matters. You're telling us. So what's the answer?

[Joe Getty]

The 1868 sources talk about parental. I'm not aware of them drawing a distinction between mother or father, but they say the domicile of the child follows the domicile of the parents.

[Supreme Court Lawyer]

And how are we going to determine domicile? I mean, would we use contemporary sources on what qualifies as domicile in a state? Or do we look in 1868 and do we have to do this for every single person?

[Joe Getty]

And again, I don't see a strong distinction between those. Because of course, domicile is a. A high level concept has been pretty consistent over centuries, which is lawful presence with the intent to remain permanently that domicile. When you come to a new nation, you say, I'm here for to stay. You become part of their political community and you become akin to a citizen. And that's reflected very strongly in the case I cited before.

[Jack Armstrong]

John Sauer is a brilliant attorney with a terrible voice. He really needs some sort of AI system. The concept of domicile is a high level theory.

[Michael]

Between his voice and my not being particularly bright, I didn't really get much out of that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, yeah, it's. It's not a question of bright. I was regretting not setting it up more thoroughly as I was listening to that. The question. Oh, man, I don't even want to get into the weeds. The question is, is the person passing through or do they live here? And that's a distinction that the lawyers are saying matters because the law was never, or. I'm sorry, the 14th amendment was never intended to reflect somebody who, like, came in to do business with a cotton company and then immediately sailed back to England.

[Michael]

I'm sorry, the guy with the horrible voice, was he arguing for the president's side or for the other side? So he's arguing for the president's side, that people shouldn't be able to come here, that it was all about slavery and we don't have slaves anymore. So this is all stupid, right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, essentially. Let's go with clip 103 where he's explaining that there are all sorts of weird wrinkles in how people come to have kids in this country.

[Joe Getty]

There are 500, 500 birth tourism companies in the People's Republic of China whose business is to bring people here to give birth and return to that nation.

[Jack Armstrong]

Having said all that, you do agree that that has no impact on the

[Supreme Court Lawyer]

legal analysis before us?

[Joe Getty]

I think it's. I quote what Justice Scalia said in his Hamdan dissent where they had, where, like their interpretation has these implications that could not possibly have been approved by the 19th century framers of this amendment. I think that shows that they've made a mess. Their interpretation has made a mess of the provision.

[Supreme Court Lawyer]

Well, it certainly wasn't a problem in the 19th century.

[Joe Getty]

No, but of course, we're in a new world now, as Justice Alito pointed out, to where 8 billion people are one plane ride away from having a. A child who's a U.S. citizen.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, it's a new world. It's the same constitution.

[Michael]

It is.

[Joe Getty]

And as Justice Scalia said, I think in the case that Justice Alito was referring to, you've got a constitutional provision that addresses certain evils and it should be extended to reasonably comparable evils. He said that about statutory interpretation. I think the same principles applies here, and I think we quote that in our brief.

[Michael]

So Garcia's saying it's a new world, but we have the same Constitution. He's making the argument that drastic changes in, for instance, the ability to travel shouldn't matter. No.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's funny. It struck me, and I'm learning more and more about law school because my daughter is in it right now, that a lot of classes you do your reading and there might be a lecture or whatever, then the professor says, Mr. Armstrong, and you stand up and you're like, oh, boy. And they ask you a probing question like that. You know, it's still the same Constitution. Why would we change the interpretation just because of the presence of air flights? And you've got to explain yourself and you're understanding law and that sort of thing. And so it strikes me that the oral arguments are like a law school class. A lot of the time they're just quizzing the lawyer on help me think through this. Think, you know, think through this. I didn't get Robert's point, honestly. What the administration is saying is that the world has changed so wildly that the court decisions subsequent to the 14th Amendment in 1898 and 1910 and whatever else, they're irrelevant now. We've got to go originalist and look at the framing of the 14th Amendment. What did they mean? Not what some court decisions, court in 1898 thought. They probably kind of meant in the modern world. No, we've got to go back to the source and look at the source as the only lens through which we look at the modern interpretation.

[Michael]

Why. Why do you think Trump was in the courtroom today?

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know. Part of me thinks he was. He wanted to intimidate a little bit or remind some of those justices I appointed. You. All right. I'm your daddy. Who's your daddy? I'm your daddy. And part of me just think he thinks it's really, really important, and he wanted to hear it.

[Michael]

That second part could be true, although that would have been true for lots of presidents in cases they wanted to turn out a certain way and they didn't show up over there.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, the tradition was you would never do that because it could be seen as one branch interfering with the other branch or intimidation or whatever. I can't imagine entirely.

[Michael]

He doesn't have any power to intimidate anybody, though. He can't remove them. He can't. He can't damage them in any way.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, if he whips up, like, the MAGA base against them, it could physically be dangerous or undermine the court, which I know Roberts is really concerned about.

[Michael]

I don't know how he could whip up the MAGA base against them any more than the people who hate Trump have whipped it up against justices on the conservative side already.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, the funny thing about Trump is he's so precedent upsetting in a lot of ways that when he upsets precedent, it's just. It's not that big a deal. I mean, no sitting president has ever attended Supreme Court oral arguments on a case that he was party to. Yeah, well, he does all sorts of crap.

[Michael]

Yeah. And it just happened. And how. How shaken does the world seem to be looking around?

[Jack Armstrong]

I think we're okay. I'm not saying I like it, but.

[Michael]

So it's April 1st. You know what you do on April 1st? You go to a loved one who you have earned their trust over many, many years of being a certain kind of person. Then you say something crazy to them. That's a lie.

[Jack Armstrong]

That causes them disturbing, frightening, sickening.

[Michael]

Yes. That causes them some unpleasant feeling. And then you say, april Fools. You say to your husband, I've been thinking about it, and I want a divorce. And then when he's done crying or whatever, you say april Fools. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's funny.

[Michael]

Maybe tell your little kid. Maybe tell your little kid you're moving and you're gonna have. You're never gonna see your friends again. I'm just Doing this routine because I. From a child. I've never understood April Fools. I just have never understood why if you do something and I react, scared or hurt or whatever, that I'm a fool. I'm the fool for believing you.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're only introducing terrible things that turn out not to be true. Because that's almost a happy ending. How about really good things that you then reveal? Nope. It's not happening, you fool. School's out today, kids. School's out today. You can play all day.

[Michael]

Aha.

[Jack Armstrong]

April Fools, get ready for school.

[Michael]

Katie, do you ever work any radio stations where it was sort of obligatory that you did some sort of April Fool's prank? I feel like Joe and I did that way back in the day. I don't even hardly remember, though.

[Jack Armstrong]

103 Rock is now 103 Country. Playing all your country. It's all. Meanwhile, the country station across the street is 103 country, and 101 country is now 101 rock.

[Michael]

All your listeners are outraged, and they

[Jack Armstrong]

call and they're angry and blah. And you say, we're getting. I worked for a station that decided

[Michael]

to fire the morning show on April 1, though. And being the phone screener during that debacle and trying to explain.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, this isn't. This isn't a joke. What?

[Michael]

Yeah, that was bad timing. Yeah, no kidding. Given the history of morning radio, didn't we do the fake parade thing once? That's kind of a. A thing. Lots of people. Yes, I think we did that once. It was kind of fun. Have you ever heard that before, Katie? No. We pretend there's a big April Fool's parade downtown, and you. You go live down there and there's bands and all this. There's no parade.

[Jack Armstrong]

We described the floats going.

[Joe Getty]

Are you serious?

[Jack Armstrong]

This was years ago. Yeah. Yes, Michael.

[Producer/Announcer]

You guys don't remember the April Fool's joke you did?

[Joe Getty]

All right.

[Jack Armstrong]

I actually do. Yeah.

[Michael]

Michael, tell the story before we go to break.

[Producer/Announcer]

I had just started with the show, and what happened?

[Joe Getty]

Okay.

[Michael]

Glattus.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Producer/Announcer]

I had to reach over to grab.

[Jack Armstrong]

Reach over and nudge Gladys. Exactly.

[Michael]

She fell asleep.

[Jack Armstrong]

Make sure she's alive.

[Producer/Announcer]

I was with the show maybe eight weeks, and I'm running the board for them and they're doing their thing, and they pretend to get in a fight, I believe, and they say, bitter argument, and they storm out.

[Jack Armstrong]

They said, that's it.

[Producer/Announcer]

We're not doing this anymore. They just left me there

[Michael]

right in

[Jack Armstrong]

the middle of a segment.

[Michael]

Yeah. Oh, forgotten that. What did you end up doing?

[Producer/Announcer]

I can't remember. I don't know if I cracked the mic or if I went to a commercial or just. I just. I. I can't remember.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my gosh. This audio has to be somewhere.

[Producer/Announcer]

It's on a reel somewhere.

[Jack Armstrong]

Probably like literally a reel of tape.

[Michael]

But that is similar to what I was mocking before. So here's some people that I work for. We're now going to make it clear that you can't believe anything we say or that we think cruelty to you, causing you emotional pain for our. For our pleasure is perfectly on the table.

[Jack Armstrong]

Stress. Terrible stress. Gut wrenching stress.

[Michael]

You're a young person. You've got a ju. Job.

[Producer/Announcer]

I just met you guys. I really. I didn't know them very well at all.

[Michael]

We were horrible people.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now you feel like. You guys, knock it off.

[Michael]

We are much better people now, I think. Oh, my God. I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, less fun, evidently. Listening to you, we're less fun people.

[Michael]

Oh, my God. I apologize on behalf of younger me.

[Producer/Announcer]

Oh, I still look back at it with joy.

[Michael]

There you go. Cool. Okay, we got more on the way. Stay here.

[Show Announcer]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Michael]

I use AI chatbots a lot for all kinds of different stuff. And I just came across something delusional. Spiraling, which they've just discovered in AI chatbots. We'll talk about that in hour four. Really interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. Plus, Canada's lost its damn mind. Join us for hour four. If you don't get hour four, you can't be here. Just grab it via podcast. You ought to follow us. Subscribe to Armstrong and Getty on Demand. A couple of quick notes that I think are worth squeezing in. First of all, Jack, I'll bet you'll get this. I'm putting Jack on the spot. What is wrong with this sentence? It's a story about our good friends in Washington state who have their first ever income tax. It happens to start now with income over $1 million. Here's. Here's the sentence. Tell me what's wrong with this. The law signed by Governor Bob Ferguson creates an income tax for top earners beginning in 2028. The 9.9% tax. Blah, blah, blah. Income over $1 million and will be used to fund childcare programs, free school meals, tax credits for working families, and tax breaks for small businesses.

[Michael]

Well, I don't know. There's probably lots of things wrong with that. One of them would be what the money gets used for. It'll just go into a fund and get spent. Ding, ding, ding, ding.

[Jack Armstrong]

I knew I could Count on you. Money is fungible.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Please, you can give me $1,000 and tell me it's for eating out with Judy. I might spend it on my wife eating out on golf. Or spend less on golf because I got more over here.

[Michael]

It's a medical bill you just got hit with or whatever.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, exactly. Oh, my God. If you fall for that and everybody falls, always.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that's because the article in the Wall Street Journal, for goodness sakes, to

[Michael]

be charitable to people, it's like Social Security. I think we make an assumption that it goes into a specific account, that it can only be used for that purpose. But that's not the way money works. It's not the way you're social. I mean, Social Security is the greatest example of all. Oh, yeah, we all assume it's going into some sort of an account somewhere that is just for Social Security. No, it just goes into the general fund of money and it's getting used for, you know, the war and for social programs and for, you know, National Hot dog Day. If there's some reason the federal government needs to spend money or whatever.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then when you retire, the federal government says, where the effort are we going to get the money for Jack's retirement? I guess we'll borrow it. It. That's the way it actually works. All right, moving along. I thought this was interesting. I'm super excited about Cuba. Nobody's talking about Cuba. The crumbling of the evil communist Castro regime and the prospect perhaps for reform there.

[Michael]

I'm on fire for Cuba right now. I'm reading, listening to Cuba Libre. Fantastic freaking book about the rise of Fidel and Che and taking over the country and the before and after.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's so good. So anyway, Trump the other day a little remarked upon, let a giant Russian tanker carrying 730,000 barrels of oil dock in a northern Cuban port to bring a little relief to the fuel starved island. Because he's got enough balls in the air with plates spinning. What's the expression? It doesn't matter. There's so much going on with Iran right now. Cuba's regime is about to collapse. And it looks like the Trump administration was saying, we can't deal with that right now.

[Michael]

Oh, you think that's why they did it, to like keep the regime healthy for a little while?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, yeah, that's the way White House officials said the move does not mark a policy change. And the Trump administration is deciding on a case by case basis. Quote, cuba's non functional economy cannot be fixed unless they undergo dramatic political and leadership change, blah, blah, blah. But not now. Not right now. That's the way I interpret it. And then maybe we can get to this next hour. Super, super wise article by, I think it's. Oh, the nephew of Martin Luther King, Jr. Isaac Newton Ferris Jr. You're not protesting like Dr. King. It's a very serious bit of writing and very eloquent.

[Michael]

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