Would You Like Some High Heels With That?

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: Would You Like Some High Heels With That?
Date: December 1, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of the Armstrong & Getty Show blends holiday retail mania with wry social commentary, jumping from Black Friday/Cyber Monday skepticism to bigger-picture economic anxieties, the state of political discourse, and the pitfalls of internet-driven rage culture. Hosts Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty riff on everything from overstuffed restaurant portions and U.S. debt, to personal family stories and societal divisions—all in their trademark unscripted, irreverent style.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Black Friday, Cyber Monday, and Phony Retail Traditions

• Origin Stories & Skepticism

  • Jack and Joe ridicule the supposed origins of Black Friday and Cyber Monday as mostly marketing inventions (“We have long mocked Black Friday and Cyber Monday as completely made up things” — Jack, 03:17).
  • Joe breaks down how Cyber Monday started because “people used their office internet to shop” when home connections were slow, but now it’s obsolete (“It has been stupid ever since because people can shop wherever they want…” — Joe, 06:12).

• Consumer Spending & Economic Confidence

  • Despite reports of record online sales, both hosts are dubious:
    • “Most people are going to spend X amount…You got to wait till the total numbers come in” (Jack, 04:03).
    • Joe notices “much more caution in the air than extravagance” regarding consumer spending (07:57).
  • Rising prices are a recurring pain point (Jack: “I was constantly shocked when we would stop to eat or gas…” 07:29).

2. Political Tangents & Marjorie Taylor Greene Resignation

• Jack and Joe dissect Marjorie Taylor Greene’s resignation rumors, with tongue-in-cheek speculation about political burnout or chasing lucrative offers outside of office.

• “Most of these people when they’re run out of office…go off to a job that pays way better and their life is much easier,” — Jack, 11:38.

• Brief pivot to criticism of Jasmine Crockett, characterized by Joe as a “crock herself and a con woman…” (12:01).

3. World Affairs & Putin, Ukraine, Travel Woes

• Trump’s saber-rattling with Venezuela is flagged (“That whole story, that’s spicy,” — Joe, 13:02).
• Russia/Ukraine “peace talks” and ongoing conflict (“Bombed the hell out of Ukraine last night…you can do with your peace negotiations that, you know, middle finger to that.” — Jack, 13:04).
• Jack rants about dysfunctional airline tarmac delays, quipping about calling the police for being “held hostage” on the plane (13:19).

4. American Portion Sizes and Restaurant Culture

• Humorous reflections on why U.S. restaurants serve gargantuan portions.

  • “Why they bring you three times as much food as you need or want to eat?” (Jack, 17:56).
  • Joe supposes it's about perceived value for minimal cost: “You create the perception of value…” (Joe, 18:32).

• The hosts joke about leftover culture and failed intentions to eat take-home food (“Percentage of food you take home from a restaurant ever gets eaten. Fairly low.” — Jack, 20:17).

5. Economic Anxiety & the ‘Trilemma’

• Discussion of consumer pessimism leading into the holidays, referencing negative poll numbers and economic “trilemma”:

  • Bond market skepticism, national debt, and public unwillingness to face fiscal realities.
  • “The voters…want enormous welfare services and low taxes, which is absolutely idiotically unsustainable.” — Joe, 30:38.
  • Elon Musk is cited: “He said…he’s out of the whole trying to fix the country game…people just don’t want to deal with reality.” — Jack, 30:38.

• Warning: The next president may face a “political bloodbath” as Social Security funding runs dry (32:52).

6. The Rage-Bait Economy & Social Media Outrage

• Word of the Year: “Rage bait” (Oxford University Press).

• Dissection of outrage over Erin Andrews’ comments about missed holidays due to sports reporting.

  • The hosts lampoon social media personalities for creating faux controversy:
    • “Any journalism about internet arguments is not journalism. It's crap.” — Joe, 42:22.
    • “Those people should be drummed out of journalism.” — Jack, 42:22.
  • Joe’s rant about moral posturing: “You people are pathetic. Your need to be morally superior is so bad you actually go with a criticism that bad.” (45:03)

• The hosts advocate for living real, offline lives:

  • “Make your life your life. The people you actually see and talk to and deal with, interact with, do business with, play sports with. Not everybody online. That’s not your life.” — Joe, 45:19.

7. Lighter Moments & Family Anecdotes

• Ongoing family ribbing over Jack’s coffee habits (“Do you need some high heels with that also?” — Jack, 40:04).

• Joe shares a warm story of multi-generational golf at his father’s 85th birthday (“Evidently that continues till the end of your life. Golf is really annoying…” — Joe, 41:30).

• Soap shortage in the office bathroom is mocked as a symbol of bureaucratic incompetence (“Scratch a hash mark in the wall like it’s a prison.”— Joe, 27:52).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

“We have long mocked Black Friday and Cyber Monday as completely made up things… The idea of contriving a day to try to boost commerce is not new.”
— Jack Armstrong (03:17)

“[Cyber Monday] has been stupid ever since because people can shop wherever they want, whenever they want with their little supercomputer, AKA cell phone.”
— Joe Getty (06:12)

“Most people are going to spend X amount… you got to wait till the total numbers come in to decide whether or not it’s been a good season.”
— Jack Armstrong (04:03)

“There’s much more caution in the air than extravagance. I mean, it’s not even close.”
— Joe Getty (07:57)

“Most of these people when they’re… run out of office…and embarrassed, they go off to a job that pays way better and their life is much easier.”
— Jack Armstrong (11:38)

“[On restaurant portions:] My niece… pancakes that were like, the size of a manhole cover, and there were two of them. Who’s that for? The whole table? …That cost literally 2 cents, right?”
— Jack Armstrong (19:31)

“The voters…want enormous welfare services and low taxes, which is absolutely idiotically unsustainable.”
— Joe Getty (30:38)

“People just don’t want to deal with reality. And [Elon’s] 100% right… wow, people are just going to pretend this isn’t a problem.”
— Jack Armstrong (30:38)

“[Social Security] trust fund will be broke in 2033… You want to talk about a political bloodbath and a reckoning with reality. If we still have it in us, that’s going to be it.”
— Joe Getty (32:52)

“Any journalism about internet arguments is not journalism. It’s crap.”
— Joe Getty (42:22)

“Your need to be morally superior to somebody is so bad… You people are pathetic.”
— Joe Getty (45:03)

“The internet did not like this person’s version of the national anthem. And they’ll pick two random quotes from people and build a story around it. We gotta stop doing that.”
— Jack Armstrong (46:40)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Black Friday/Cyber Monday Skepticism: 03:17 – 06:45
• Economic Anxiety & Holiday Spending: 07:38 – 08:22, 22:50 – 23:36
• Political Speculation/Marjorie Taylor Greene: 09:55 – 11:38
• Social Media Outrage/Rage Baiting: 36:16 – 47:55
• Restaurant Portions & Food Culture: 17:56 – 22:25
• Economic Trilemma & National Debt: 29:59 – 33:15
• Family Anecdotes/Coffee Riffing: 40:00 – 41:45
• Bureaucracy/Soap Shortage: 27:42 – 28:27

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Tone and Language

The discussion is conversational, sardonic, and self-aware—mixing pop culture, politics, and personal confession in a way that both lampoons and empathizes with ordinary frustrations. Jack and Joe shift seamlessly between serious analysis and laugh-out-loud banter, challenging both the assumptions behind American consumerism and the absurdities of the outrage-driven media ecosystem.

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Recurring Themes

• Skepticism of Media and Manufactured Traditions
• Disillusionment with Political and Social Trends
• Emphasis on Personal Responsibility and Real-Life Connections
• Mockery of Virtue Signaling in Social Media Outrage
• The Absurdity and Bloat of Modern American Life

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For listeners or readers seeking an unfiltered, funny-yet-serious lens on the week’s big cultural and economic stories—with refreshing candor—this episode delivers classic Armstrong & Getty.

Transcript

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[Jack Armstrong]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln radio studio at the George.

[Joe Getty]

Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

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American shoppers are looking forward to Cyber.

[Joe Getty]

Monday after shattering records on Black Friday.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, so let's jump into some of that stuff. We have long mocked Black Friday and Cyber Monday as completely made up things. Black Friday going way, way back was that's when businesses finally went into the black for the first time, for the year. And it was never true. And then people built sales around it. Now the idea of contriving a day to try to boost commerce is not new. See everything, Halloween, Christmas, not the Jesus birthday part, but the presents part. Just everything. It's just a two contrived, know, Mother's Day, Father's Day, they're all just, they try to convince us to spend money on a particular day.

[Joe Getty]

Well, and even if there was a legitimate creation, like I think Mother's Day and, and Father's Day were efforts by nice people to pay tribute to family ties. But you know, two minutes later it's like, hey, wait a minute, we could sell ties today.

[Jack Armstrong]

But so Black Friday, that there. So they often try to slice it in such a way to come up with a record to get people excited, which is fine. And that one, it was online sales through mobile devices were up more than in, than they have been in the past. Okay. As often happens, for whatever reason, people do most of their spending the first week of November. I mean the first week of December or the last week of December or on Black Friday or they decide whatever it just been and then it evens out throughout the spending season because most people are going to spend X amount. Right. Whether you spend it the day after Thanksgiving or two days before Christmas, you're going to spend roughly the same amount. So you got to wait till the total numbers come in to decide whether or not it's been a good season in terms of retail. And you're looking at consumer confidence and trying to figure out the economy and all that sort of stuff you can't figure out from three days after, after Thanksgiving. But. So what was the origin of Cyber Monday, Joe?

[Joe Getty]

Well, Gladys, perhaps we can cast our minds back to the early 2000s. George W. Bush was the president. The war on terror was raging. Good times anyway. Everybody had crappy Internet connections at home and so retailers in those early days of this century noticed that, you know, our sales spike a little bit the Monday after Thanksgiving. It's probably because people are using their office Internet connection to shop. And indeed, the term Cyber Monday was coined in 2005 by the National Retail Federation. The reality of everybody having a super slow Internet at home and good at work was over within weeks of the coining of that term. And it has been stupid ever since because people can shop wherever they want, whenever they want with their little supercomputer, AKA cell phone.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. You can be sitting at the your kids high school basketball game in the stands and shop just as easily on your phone as you can at work or at home. So.

[Joe Getty]

Right. I like the term mobile device as opposed to what an immobile device. Am I using a mainframe in this scenario or what, a computer console like at NASA back in the day? No, even my laptop is like an inch bigger than my iPads. Anyway, I see Cyber Monday is completely phony and silly. But if people offer sales on Today because they think they have your attention, I suggest you take them up on the offer.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I see Hassett, that's. Which advisor is he to Donald Trump? Anyway, on the economy, he's on Fox right now saying that Black Friday spending was up under Trump. So the economy is good. That would defy the numbers we had right before we went on vacation that people in terms of right track, wrong track and all that sort of stuff were setting records constantly. People thinking we're on the wrong track and that their own personal financial situation is bad currently. But we'll see, we'll see how the spending is throughout the whole holiday season. Like I said, you got to wait till the end to get an idea of whether it was up or down. I'm not optimistic. Is expensive out there. As I just traveled across the country, I was constantly shocked when we would stop to eat or gas was the only thing because I live in California. Once you get out of California, the shocking news is, oh my God, this is what other people pay for gas.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

But in terms of everything else, it was just, oh my God. And I always say to the checkout person at the grocery store, wherever, I'm a holy cow, it's.

[Joe Getty]

It's $85.

[Jack Armstrong]

And they say, I know, isn't it amazing for these.

[Joe Getty]

That's 30 times a day.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. Until we get used to that, I don't know what's going to happen. I do have a question about one news story.

[Joe Getty]

Let me just say this very quickly. Having talked to several people from several different financial strata, there's much more caution in the air than extravagance. I mean, it's not even close. Close. So I would be shocked to hear that the holiday numbers turned out to be especially great.

[Jack Armstrong]

It would be. It would be shocking. It would run against all the polling of how people feel about their current financial situations.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

If it tends to be a, like a really big number. So we'll wait and see. There is one news story that happened while we were on vacation that I don't understand. I doubt Joe paid any attention to it, so I can't ask him. But I'll bring it up right after we tell you about this, which is really exciting. I am going to spend money on Omaha Steaks. There's no doubt about that. Big fan of Omaha Steaks. My dad was in the cattle industry his entire life, so I know good steaks when I come across them. And Omaha Steaks are really, really good steaks. And they got some good deals for you right now. And you should order right away. A big fan.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

I don't like to pay attention to a lot of political stories when we're on the air, let alone when we're on vacation, so that's not exactly something I was digging into. But why did Marjorie Taylor Greene resign? That was surprising to me.

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[Jack Armstrong]

That was a surprise to me.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Here's my assumption. And Kate, well, first of all, do you know anything about it?

[Joe Getty]

I don't, No, I don't know anything. Although a number of folks who, who I know and love, who are politically aware were as mystified as you and I were. And we're all speculating and wondering. Nobody had a great theory.

[Jack Armstrong]

My main speculation would be, oh, that reminds me of some audio we need to get. My main speculation would be now that she's not aligned with Trump and she's going to get a lot of, you know, a hate from the Trump crowd or wherever they. She's like, I don't need this. And she'd been offered various very lucrative positions on boards or whatnot that you get to do if you're a high profile personality in politics that I can make so much more money. My life will be so much easier. I'll be under the radar. Nobody will know or care who I am. I'm going to go do that. That'd be my guess.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, she's a bit of a wackadoodle, but I don't think she was born for politics exactly. The theory in the mainstream political analyst world is that she was gonna either resign or, well, or leave office early and run for governor of Georgia. And Trump and company had polls that said she would just get shellacked, she would get embarrassed, humiliated. And they shared that with her and she got crazy butthurt about it and said, that's it, I'm taking my toys and going home. I don't, I don't know if I buy that she's an odd duck, but.

[Jack Armstrong]

But the, my main point remains that most of these people when they're, you know, run out of office and embarrassed or whatever, they go off to a job that pays way better and their life is much easier.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, yeah, agreed. Hey, just as an aside, Michael, play that clip you just played before, just seconds ago.

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, really?

[Joe Getty]

She's changed her story since.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, she's one of those people just.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, she is such a fraud and everyone knows it. That's right, Margie with the last word there.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

She is a great example of the modern social media driven Instagrammer who dabbles as a congressperson.

[Jack Armstrong]

So Donald Trump told the leader of Venezuela, you got to get out now with your family or you're going to be killed. And didn't. He said now. Didn't put a time limit on it. And now we got even more troops and more boats close to the coast there. So what's going to happen there? I don't know. We ought to take a look at that at some point.

[Joe Getty]

That whole story, that's spicy.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'd say peace negotiations between Russia and Ukraine. Russia bombed the hell out of Ukraine last night. To me, that's a. Here's, here's what you can do with your peace deck negotiations that, you know, middle finger to that.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know how else you'll read that. I definitely have to talk about being at the airport and sitting on planes on the tarmac for an hour. Each plane sitting there for an hour. We need to do something about flying. It's a mess. It's. They're punishing us. They're being mean to us. They're holding us hostage is what they're doing. I was having my little fantasy of calling the police and saying I'm being held hostage against my will. Because I am. I am being held hostage against my will for an hour. An hour is a long time to sit on the tarmac.

[Joe Getty]

Well, you got no case, legally speaking. But you could go on the Internet and get a hell of a GoFundMe going.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. And then testify before Congress.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know, run for office, all that.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Guest or Additional Commentator]

U n D Doctors are warning people to moderate their food intake in the coming weeks to avoid so called holiday heart syndrome, which is an irregular heart rhythm caused by poor nutrition. And it's especially bad for Americans around the holidays of Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's, President's Day, Easter, Mother's Day, Father's Day, the fourth of July, Arbor Day, Labor Day, and Tuesday through Sunday.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a decent point right there. We got a lot of various eating holidays that we enjoy, reasons to overeat, get together, etc. Had a conversation with my family when we were out at one place about portions and all, wondering why they bring you three times as much food as you need to eat or even want to eat. Is that necessary to keep customers? Does that really work on some sort of psychological level that I don't get? Would I ever. If you brought me the appropriate amount of food, would I think, well, I'm not eating here again, the portions aren't humongous. Would I actually think that? Because I don't think I would.

[Joe Getty]

But I'm sure there's somebody in the restaurant industry who knows the answer to that question. I have a feeling that, you know, if I'm gonna prepare you a hamburger or normal sized hamburger, burger and normal size serving of fries that costs me X, I can add like a third bigger burger and half again more fries for practically nothing because so much of it is overhead and labor, not materials. And so you create the perception of value by, you know, instead of for, you know, 1995, you get a reasonable portion, you get an unreasonable portion and it's fine. Me as the restaurateur, it's almost got.

[Jack Armstrong]

To be subconscious, though, because there's no the. The ship sailed decades ago on the am I getting value for my money at the restaurant? I think because everybody feels like you get way more than you can eat.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. The common man, Jack. Not intellectual giants like yourself, but the common man.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't believe there are very many People that think, wow, this burger the size of my head and five pounds of french fries is not enough. But I. I do think you're probably right. The cost for giving you that large amount is almost nothing. Especially, like, my niece. We were all joking about these pancakes. We went to this pancake place, and these pancakes that were like, the size of a manhole cover, and there were two of them. Like, who's that for the whole table. There were, like eight of us. We could have all eaten some of her pancakes. But that cost literally 2 cents, right?

[Joe Getty]

Exactly. Yeah. To my point. Hey, greatest hack I've come into is you as the waitress. Bring the food immediately. Say, can I get a to go container right now?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And then you cut it in half, load it up.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then we got into the discussion of what percentage of food you take home from a restaurant ever gets eaten. Fairly low. Yeah. Well, we all do it because we feel better about it. I'll take this home. That's what I'll do. And then forget it. Or. Or take it back.

[Joe Getty]

Well, it's better than jamming it down your gullets. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

You just gotta leave it there. That's the whole thing. We're all sign to not waste the food, and it's hard to just leave it sitting there. You know, I paid for it. What am I just going to leave all that food sitting there? But I don't need to eat it. And if I take it, I'm not going to eat either.

[Joe Getty]

Your caveman anthropological soul says I might not eat for another week if the herd grows in the other direction. So I got to eat. Well, Eaton's good.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think that would benefit everybody if our portions were smaller, but I don't know what percentage of people would be on board with that. Bring me, like, that size hamburger that I make at home.

[Joe Getty]

At home.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't make a hamburger that this big around this tall.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. There's also the reality that young people, particularly young men, will hammer down a gigantic hamburger, for instance, and a gigantic serving of fries. So they might respond to, you know, giant portions. I don't know if I want the lottery. There's research on this.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think about this a lot. If I won the lottery, there's lots of different businesses I would try just because I have questions about lots of these different things.

[Joe Getty]

Try meaning, like, try to get one up and going.

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[Jack Armstrong]

And see if it would work. And one of them would be, we're going to serve you, like, normal portions of what people should Eat and it'll be a little less expensive. But we won't bring you eight pounds of fries just so you can throw them away or we throw them away or whatever. See if that works.

[Joe Getty]

You live in an area that has like Sun City type developments around it or a lot of retirees or what have you. You see that on the lighter side is a section of the menu.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's right. That's what I need to look at all the time. And I always forget to because at the moment when I'm ordering, I think I need a five pound chicken fried steak.

[Joe Getty]

Right, because your inner grizzly bear is still alive and well. But you're an old guy. Come on.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, and that's why I'm. I gained three, three and a quarter pounds over the holiday season. One week I gained three and a quarter pounds. If I could keep this up the rest of the month, I'll be. I'll be looking pretty large again.

[Joe Getty]

I was up 3.6 pounds for a day or two. I think that's good enough. I mean, all you have to do is, is put that peg up there and if I lost the couple of pounds deliberately in a couple days after that, I'm still the winner.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know you've got some financial stuff, economy stuff for us.

[Joe Getty]

I think that's going to be the trilemma. Jack, have you heard about the trilemma?

[Jack Armstrong]

I think that's going to be something that a lot of people are looking at during this month because there was some pretty negative economic numbers that came out right before Thanksgiving when we were on the air. People's attitudes are sour about their personal financial situation, about the country's financial situation. And whether or not that shows itself to be true during this big shopping season is going to be big news, I think.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I would agree.

[Jack Armstrong]

I agree with what you said earlier that I think people are leaning more toward a little scared. Like this is all going to blow up soon. Ish. As opposed to optimistic.

[Joe Getty]

I'll tell you who should be scared. Whoever gets elected president next, I will explain.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, wow. Well, Gavin Newsom. All right.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, please.

[Jack Armstrong]

So stay tuned for that. If you missed a segment, podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand. Armstrong and Getty, you want the hottest.

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[Guest or Additional Commentator]

I'm watching the ratings. People are consuming less news right now because they can't handle it. But what matters at this point is that we're losing the ability to talk to each other. We're losing civility, we're losing respect, and the public is Looking this and saying.

[Jack Armstrong]

To hell with all of it.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

I don't want to hear you yelling at each other.

[Jack Armstrong]

Interesting. That sounded like Frank Luntz.

[Joe Getty]

It was indeed Frank Luntz talking about why people don't watch the news as much as they used to. Although the youngsters are getting their news, quote unquote, on TikTok, which means they're getting Chinese propaganda and little else. Yeah, interesting. And that's something we both were contemplating during the time off and coming back. How much of the so called news is actually just unimportant rage baiting, a lot of it. And intentional controversy making for the clicks and for the fundraising and for a.

[Jack Armstrong]

Very small percentage of society who's paying attention to it.

[Joe Getty]

Well, that's the thing. I mean, in talk radio, there are a lot of people who make a hell of a lot of money in the podcast world through doing that. There's a lot of money to be made. We just prefer not to. I think it's bad for your soul.

[Jack Armstrong]

More on that to come for not to make money. That's an interesting story.

[Joe Getty]

No, no, no. I think you've missed my point. So I read about the trial.

[Jack Armstrong]

The trimelo. I just want to tell Michael because I know he's keeping track also. Yeah, we're now at six straight weeks of no soap in the men's bathroom in the main stall. Michael, I don't know if you're keeping track.

[Joe Getty]

I will bring soap in six weeks. We got to scratch a hash mark in the wall like it's a prison.

[Jack Armstrong]

I feel like the main. I'm talking the big stall where people do their main business.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

You got to have soap.

[Joe Getty]

There's.

[Jack Armstrong]

There's been no soap for at least a month and a half. That seems like a long time.

[Joe Getty]

This is not dignified. I'm bringing soap in a bar of soap. Well, okay, so here's a question. I can tell you with absolute certainty. There was no soap in there, like the last week of September. Was it refilled at any point between then and now?

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't think so. It's probably longer. I'm even saying.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, all right, so there you go. Months. Anyway, that awful. What does the building management do? Exactly. Let's just start there. What do you see as your jobs?

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, boy.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, boy. So the trilemma. Here's what it is. And I got this from a story that was called, Is America headed for a Debt Crisis? Look abroad for answers. And they highlight the pathetic and floundering. British and French are valued allies since wwe two days. And they're talking about the obvious situation where they have mounting debt problems. But here's your trilemma. If you have too much debt, the bond market hates it. What do we care? You say to yourself, well, that's how the US Finances so much of its spending right now, is we borrow money, we sell bonds. And because it's the most safe bet on the planet that the United States of America will pay its debts, it's an extremely popular investment. The problem is, as that great confidence in our debt service gets shakier, the yields rise, the rates rise, the amount of interest we must pay rises. So it matters from a budgetary and tax point of view, whether the bond market thinks, oh, it's perfectly safe, or whether they're starting to think, man, they're running up a lot of debt. And then the second leg of the trilemma is the budget itself. I mean, you can't just spend yourself into oblivion. So you have to be willing to make cuts at some point or raise taxes. The third leg of the trilemma is the voters. And again, they highlight the voters in Britain especially, well, France, too, who have said, essentially, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We want enormous welfare services and low taxes, which is absolutely idiotically unsustainable.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Elon spoke to that a little bit during the break. He was on some podcast talking about AI and robots and stuff. But he was asked about the whole Doge thing and everything like that, and he said, basically, I'm out of the whole trying to fix the country game. He said, it can't be done, at least not in our current political climate. People just don't want to deal with reality. And he's 100% right. I can see how he waded into that and thought, wow, people are just going to pretend this isn't a problem or that you can get out of this situation without cutting programs.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

And doing hard things, wishing or magic.

[Joe Getty]

Beans or something like that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And I'm sorry, I misstated the second leg of the trilemma. That is the economy. If you raise taxes to a confiscatory rate too high, you're going to crush economic growth. Ask California. The high tax is the most hostile environment to businesses. Year after year after year, businesses are fleeing. If it weren't for AI, Gavin Newsom would be in stocks getting pelted with rotten tomatoes right now anyway. So you've got the pressure of the bond market, the economy, and the voter. And the voter is in, to a large degree the key.

[Jack Armstrong]

Absolutely. The Voters, the only part you can really hope to have any effect on the other two with, right, we get bailed out.

[Joe Getty]

The United States gets bailed out because people need dollars around the world to trade with. That is the great trade currency of the world. That's not sustainable forever for a variety of reasons that I won't get into because it's long and it's boring and I only half understand it. But our, the dollar status as the must have global asset is declining. All right, here's why I said the most frightened person in the world ought to be the next president of the United States. According to the rere rejiggered numbers, the Social Security trust fund will be broke in 2033. You remember when that year seemed really, really distant? Well, the guy or gal who wins in 2028 is gonna be in office, you know, barring some extraordinary turn of events until 20 or until 2032. And if the, trust me, if Social Security is going broke in 2033, that discussion is going to dominate that term. And so between Congress and that poor son of a gun or daughter of a gun who's gonna be president, they are going to have to make the utterly gut wrenching decisions to save Social Security or benefits are going to be cut across the board. And man, you want to talk about a political bloodbath and a reckoning with reality. If we still have it in us, that's going to be it.

[Jack Armstrong]

That'll be fun to watch.

[Joe Getty]

Oh boy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Elon is right. The current political climate, that's a problem that they got in France and Britain is people just don't want to deal with reality. They, it's, it's amazing. I just, I can't believe that the majority of people can't be convinced. Look, this is unsustainable and we got to do things different. All right, who's on board? Let's roll up our sleeves and get. No, we're going to keep demanding $70 worth of government for the price of a dollar.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, it's worth repeating. The founding pop is the last thing they wanted was a democracy. They wanted a democratic republic, obviously. And that's, you can use the term democracy, you know, accurately enough to describe that. But they knew a, A lot of common people are too dumb or unwise to understand that the person telling them no, we can have low taxes and high spending forever is a liar and a panderer and is just telling you that because they want to have power to figure out where all that money flows. And a lot of people just don't get that. They also understood that mobs tend to get in moods and then do really, really stupid stuff. But yeah, I think it's all gonna come down in the next term, next presidential term. So speaking of criminals, not the kind under the Capitol dome. Oh, I got em but the common type on the street. Simply Safe home security is so great for a couple of reasons. But number one is because Simply Safe stops crim before they enter your home. It's got AI cameras. They detect threats early. They alert the live agents who can speak directly to the intruders. What are you doing? You're being watched. If I were you, I would leave before your window gets smashed, setting off your old alarm.

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[Jack Armstrong]

We got yet another word of the year from a different organization. Oxford University Press has named their word of the year for 2025. I don't know if it's the word of your pretty good word though. Rage bait. Rage bait's pretty good word. Kind of fits. Kind of fits with what we were just talking about.

[Joe Getty]

Perfect. Lead into the article I came across on vacation I unwisely opened. I was intrigued. I was hooked by the clickbaity headline and it, it pissed me off. In the midst of the holiday cheer. I will explain in moments.

[Jack Armstrong]

And you believe it was rage bait?

[Joe Getty]

Partly. And also partly. Just a great distillation of what's wrong with social media in the Internet. It's a perfect example.

[Jack Armstrong]

So just to define rage bait, would it be like if you. If you got a headline that, you know, trans Boy dominates girls track and field. They just know. Oh, you're gonna hate the reading about this. Yeah, that's.

[Joe Getty]

Sure, that's an example. Yeah. Or anything. Including the word, the name Trump. For years and years and years in lefty media. Trump's latest outrage, that sort of thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wait till you see this. You thought it was bad before. Yeah. Rage bait. Okay. What Joe mentioned. Oh, and a congressperson over the break gave quite a speech about how they all get rich. It was fantastic. I look forward to getting to in hour three. I hope you can stick around.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Shh.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Today, as I was getting my coffee, I was reminded that the long tradition of my brothers giving me crap for putting cream in my coffee continued while I was around everybody for the holiday. Brother, if he could pass the cream. And he said, do you need some high heels with that also, or. Yes, that sort of thing.

[Joe Getty]

Appropriate.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. Everybody looks down on me for putting cream in my coffee. Oh, well, what are you gonna do?

[Joe Getty]

Interestingly, my youngest, my daughter, she needs to put cream in her coffee as a woman when she uses the Keurig machine, but not my nespress machine. Oh, really?

[Jack Armstrong]

Because, yeah, I. I put cream in there because otherwise just eats a hole in my stomach.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Is that, I mean, which, you know, you don't want a hole in your stomach. So there I was, in a lovely mood, surrounded by family over the holiday week. My all three of our kids, both of my siblings, my dad, my brother's family, were all in town for Thanksgiving week, partly because, as I mentioned earlier, my dad's 85th birthday was Thanksgiving Day, and we celebrated lavishly and also played 18 holes of golf at age 85. My brother and my dad and I played. It was absolutely fantastic. Yeah, I mean, he's obviously not. Not the player that he used to be and all, and gets annoyed about it. Evidently that continues till the end of your life. Golf is really annoying, but it was 85.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're like, how could I hit that shot?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, my. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm like, dad, this is incredible. This is a blessing. He's like, I just keep shoving it to the right. What the hell's going on here?

[Jack Armstrong]

Am I whining up wrong? Who cares? That's hilarious.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I know. It's something, isn't it? So anyway. But here, there I was in just such a lovely frame of mind, ignoring the news, more or less, and. And I succumbed, I don't know why, to the temptation. I think it was Satan himself who, who said, take a look at the New York Post. Why don't you see what they're writing about? Why don't you see if there's something that you want to click on there. Boy. And so I opened the New York Post app. For some reason, there's this article, Aaron Andrews fires back at sports personalities after holiday comments back.

[Jack Armstrong]

Mm.

[Joe Getty]

And I violated a sacred rule. Any journalism about Internet arguments is not journalism. It's crap.

[Jack Armstrong]

I wish everybody. I wish the president would give an Oval Office address about this. Any news story built around a couple of comments on social media, those people should be drummed out of journalism.

[Joe Getty]

Right? But it was the spirit of it that pissed me off so much. So Erin Andrews, the longtime female sports reporter, sideline reporter, etcetera, Does a very good job. She was doing a podcast that I'm not familiar with. She was the guest, and they were talking to her about her career, and they asked her, and this isn't made clear at the beginning of our article, I think to draw you into the rage bait, they asked her for young girls or young women who are thinking about getting into your line of work. What are some of the things they don't know about it, some of the downsides? And one of the things she said was, well, you miss a lot of holidays, that you'd like to be home with your family, but you're on the road and you're doing your job okay. Simple as that. Well, you got this. Jenna Lane, who's a reporter covering the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for espn, weighs in, saying saw Aaron Andrews remarks about the challenges in this business, blah, blah, blah, starting at a low wage and not having holidays. I appreciate what she's trying to say, but let's consider the folks working two to three jobs in retail, in warehouses, and in the service industry right now just trying to make ends meet. They're not getting time with their families either.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Getty]

Your life would be a dream for them. I mean, let's keep this in perspective. Let's have some perspective. Oh, my God. And then you got hack loser Trey Wingo, former NFL host back in the 90s at ESPN. That's literally what they pay you for. He posted on X because you've got it. Be angry. Including a headline about her remarks. Aaron said it herself once. They pay you for the travel and sacrifices because doing the games is the fun part. Blah, blah, blah. And these people just what bothers me the most about it is how obvious it is that they're just saying, look at me, look at me. I'm morally superior to Aaron Andrews. What about the poor working people? I got a question for you half wits. If Erin Andrews was in a car wreck, and broke her leg in two places. And the pain was horrible. Can she say the pain is horrible?

[Jack Armstrong]

No.

[Joe Getty]

Or would you say, how about a little perspective, Aaron?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, how about a single mom who has to work the night shift to Denny's? She knows what pain is.

[Joe Getty]

If her leg broke in two places, she'd be having pain and she's got to go work at Denny. So let's have a little perspective, Jenna.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or.

[Joe Getty]

Or what's your. Aaron? Oh, my God. You people are per. Pathetic.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, boy.

[Joe Getty]

God, your need to be morally superior to somebody is so bad. You actually go with a criticism that bad. She's telling little girls, look, you're going to be away a lot. You've got to Trav. You're going to miss your family.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, how about a little perspective? Oh, God.

[Joe Getty]

And that just me off. And I thought, what are you doing looking at the Internet, you idiot. Go deal with the people in your life who are actually there. Which reminded me of one of my, you know, my vows that I have to renew every now and again. I hate the expression touch grass because it's gotten such. It's such a cliche, but. But make your life your life. The people you actually see and talk to and deal with, interact with, do business with, play sports with. Not everybody online. That's not your life.

[Jack Armstrong]

I saw somebody write eloquently about this sort of news story where they grab two comments. Often not even, you know, well known people, like in your case, just random, random commenters on social media. And they build a story around it that needs to be outlawed. And I'm a free speech guy. That needs to be outlawed. Too many people fall for it. And sometimes I'll click on a story and then I'll get halfway through it and think, wait a second. Is the only thing to this story is Jim in Omaha said something mean on Twitter about this thing. That's it.

[Joe Getty]

That's the whole story that Ed in Miami had said.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right?

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

God, that's the worst journalism out there. We need to do better.

[Joe Getty]

As a couple of colleges trolls weighed in and said sarcastic things.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Internet did not like this person's version of the national anthem. And they'll pick two random quotes from people and build a story around it. We gotta stop doing that. It's the consumer that drives it, though. You read it, they know how much time you spent on the article. They got the algorithm them.

[Joe Getty]

So two. Two final points about this. Number one, I'm a little surprised that Aaron Andrews dignified that jackass couple of comments with responses, but she also took aim at NFL news aggregator Dove client Climate, who I've never heard of in my life, whose headline was Andrews under heavy fire for her holiday's remarks under.

[Jack Armstrong]

Heavy fire from losers online. Who cares?

[Joe Getty]

Oh my Lord.

[Jack Armstrong]

Is there a way to break out of this? I don't know if there is.

[Joe Getty]

I know I was just going to say can you get a shot or something that it. It's. Well, it's like the the the we go and the other weight loss drugs where you look at food and think meh, I don't need that. I. I need a shot where I see a headline like that and think that's stupid. Just pass it.

[Jack Armstrong]

One way too. If you're under heavy fire would be to ignore the heavy fire from random losers. If you missed a segment, get the podcast Armstrong Yeti on demand. Good stuff planned for hour three.

[Joe Getty]

Be there Armstrong and Getty.

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Shh.

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