Would You Like To Spank Me?

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand Episode: Would You Like To Spank Me?
Date: December 9, 2025
Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the shifting landscape of artificial intelligence—particularly focusing on OpenAI’s business strategies and the impact of public interaction on AI development. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty then move to a probing and critical discussion about far-right figure Nick Fuentes' online influence, media amplification of fringe personalities, and broader anxieties about discerning real impact vs. manufactured hype in the digital age. As in classic Armstrong & Getty fashion, the episode is filled with irreverent banter, sarcasm, and candid, sometimes biting, political analysis.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. State of AI: OpenAI, ChatGPT, and User Feedback

(Start at 03:00)

• Jack opens with the news that OpenAI is shifting priorities, focusing more on improving ChatGPT as a "fancy Google" rather than immediately pursuing Artificial General Intelligence (AGI).
  • “Altman suggested yesterday that they're going to have to pause that quest to give people what they want for money reasons. It's the only way they can stay afloat financially…” (04:35 – Jack)
• Both hosts compare OpenAI’s pivot to Tesla selling cars to finance its robotics ambitions.
• Discussion on ChatGPT now providing users with two answers and prompting them to choose a favorite, evolving the AI via user feedback.
  • Jack voices skepticism: “The problem… most people are morons.” (05:46 – Jack)
• Concerns about reinforcing unhealthy thinking through AI that learns by seeking to please users, referencing mental health issues and lawsuits.
• Upcoming release: OpenAI promises a new version of ChatGPT with "a better personality"—raising debates on whether people want friendliness or brutal honesty from AI.
  • Joe and Jack prefer more direct, less "deadpan" or "cheerleader" personalities in chatbots, referencing experiences with Claude (Anthropic’s AI) vs. ChatGPT.

Notable Quotes

• “In the past [user feedback] went the wrong direction...it was giving people what they want to hear with their crazy mental health issues… Including telling you you're killing yourself would be a good idea.” (05:46 – Jack)
• “Maybe I got a BDSM thing going here and I like to be told I'm wrong or something.” (10:13 – Jack, joking about Claude’s criticism)

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2. Expat Dreams: Could You Live Overseas?

(08:15 – 14:39)

• Joe asks ChatGPT about best places for wealthy Americans to move abroad, gets “fun question” responses he finds fake and annoying.
  • “You don't know what fun is unless somebody tells you about it.” (08:49 – Joe)
• Both hosts poke fun at the performative enthusiasm of AI.
• Popular expat locales discussed: Portugal (“too many Californians”), Panama, Costa Rica, Thailand, Bali, Switzerland, Singapore, Japan.
  • Joe: “I’m not moving to a country until I’ve examined their bridges… their girders.” (13:01)
• Jack considers Japan for peace and quiet: "I could live there for 10 years and not have a single conversation. It's a beautiful dream." (14:30)

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3. Nick Fuentes: Media Creation or Genuine Influence?

(17:27 – 39:41)

Fuentes’ Persona and Sex Life (as seen on Piers Morgan)

• The hosts play and discuss clips: Fuentes denounces women’s right to vote, calls relationships "an embarrassment," admits on-air to never having had sex.
  • “Says the guy who’s never got laid.” (19:46 – Piers Morgan via Joe)
• Both hosts are disturbed that this brand of anti-woman rhetoric might appeal to certain young men who struggle socially, drawing comparisons to typical rationalizations for romantic failures.
  • “It's a much more universal application of I'll bet she's a lesbian after she rejects you.” (20:20 – Joe)
  • “Sad. You know what's amazing to me is that as many followers have not had enough or any good male role models in their lives to understand how pathetic he is.” (20:34 – Joe)

How Big is “Big” Online?

• Nick Fuentes claims millions of followers on X and thousands elsewhere, but the legitimacy of these numbers is questioned.
• Joe reveals data (from NCRI) suggesting most of Fuentes’ social engagement is astroturfed:
  • Early retweets are driven by amplification networks and bots, many from overseas.
  • “92%… are anonymous, many openly identify as groipers or signal boosters… feeds exist almost solely to promote him.” (30:14 – Joe)
• The distinction is made between real popularity and manufactured visibility, with mainstream outlets taking the bait:
  • “Between June and November of this year, 15 major outlets published 149 stories mentioning Fuentes... they thought they were tracking organic sentiment… it was reacting to manufactured noise.” (31:10 – Joe quoting NCRI piece)
• The episode underscores the impossibility of truly gauging the real-world influence of such figures in today’s fragmented, easily manipulated digital media space.
  • “According to the NCRI, the real issue isn't Fuentes. It's the fact that our media and tech ecosystem can no longer reliably distinguish organic influence from manufactured momentum.” (31:47 – Joe)

Broader Media Critique

• Jack: “If you ignored them, they would just go away.” (37:45)
• The conversation turns to how media—seeking clicks and outrage—amplifies even the smallest fringe, making it difficult to distinguish between real movements and hype.

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4. Societal Commentary on Masculinity and Victimhood

• Both hosts reflect on how young men feeling marginalized may gravitate to toxic spokespeople like Fuentes, if only for affirmation.
  • “Young men have been told over and over again by the modern left that they're awful human beings, that they're the problem… Their first message is I don't believe that. I think you're just fine.” (39:01 – Joe)
• Jack points out: “It's the only group in America that can't say, I think it'd be better if there were more of us. Every other group... can say that.” (42:55)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On AI Syphoning Feedback:
  • “The problem with that, of course, is most people are morons.” – Jack Armstrong (05:46)
• On Claude vs. ChatGPT Personality:
  • “Maybe I got a BDSM thing going here and I like to be told I’m wrong or something.” – Jack Armstrong (10:13)
  • “Would you like to spank me?” – Joe Getty, riffing (10:24)
• On Expat Trends:
  • “I'm not moving to a country until I've examined their bridges… their girders.” – Joe Getty (13:01)
• On Nick Fuentes:
  • “Says the guy who's never got laid.” – Joe Getty quoting Piers Morgan (19:46)
  • “Sad. You know what’s amazing to me is that as many followers have not had enough or any good male role models in their lives to understand how pathetic he is.” – Joe Getty (20:34)
  • “According to the NCRI, the real issue isn't Fuentes. It's the fact that our media and tech ecosystem can no longer reliably distinguish organic influence from manufactured momentum.” – Joe Getty (31:47)
• On Media Influence:
  • “If you ignored them, they would just go away.” – Jack Armstrong (37:45)
  • “Easy come, easy go. Exactly. Here today, gone today.” – Joe Getty (35:30)
• On Masculinity:
  • “Young men have been told over and over again by the modern left that they're awful human beings, that they're the problem… Their first message is I don't believe that. I think you're just fine.” – Joe Getty (39:01)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• AI Discussion Starts: 03:00
• OpenAI’s Pivot & User Feedback: 04:35 – 07:01
• ChatGPT “Personality” & Claude: 07:01 – 10:22
• Expat Banter & AI Responses: 08:15 – 14:39
• Nick Fuentes Introduction: 17:27
• Piers Morgan Clip on Fuentes’ Sexuality: 18:54 – 19:49
• Discussion: Why do young men follow Fuentes? 20:00 – 21:09
• Online Amplification Analysis (NCRI report): 27:33 - 31:47
• Media Amplification and Legacy Media Critique: 31:47 – 34:48
• On Masculinity and Social Blame: 39:01 – 39:41
• Final Thoughts / Closing: 41:51 – End

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Conclusion

This episode exemplifies Armstrong & Getty’s blend of news commentary, media skepticism, and punchy, irreverent humor. The main through lines are skepticism toward both technology that allegedly “serves the people,” and the modern media landscape’s vulnerability to manufactured “influence.” Through the lens of controversial figures like Nick Fuentes, the show critiques how fringe views gain outsized limelight thanks (often) to the very people and outlets supposedly opposing them. Both hosts call for discernment, self-reflection, and not letting manufactured hype dictate the national conversation.

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For listeners:
Expect plenty of dry wit, pointed social commentary, and a reminder that not everything you see trending is as influential—or as “real”—as the numbers suggest.

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[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you're willing to sit through me blathering on about AI again, we have got some really good stuff. Piers Morgan had little. The weird little Nazi Nick Fuentes on yesterday on his podcast. We got a full minute discussion about Nick Fuentes sexuality or having sex or whatever. He's a strange dude.

[Joe Getty]

He has very, very strange and troubling attitudes about women.

[Jack Armstrong]

So we'll get to that in just a little bit. But I wanted to tell you this. This is a really big deal. So the, the, the leading company in the race to be the dominant AI company has been for quite some time open AI with their Chat GPT. When Chat GPT landed in 22, it blew the minds of Zuckerberg and Elon and a whole bunch of different people. And that's why they started pouring billions and billion. The Chinese. And that's why they all started pouring billions and billions of dollars into trying to catch up. They didn't realize how far, how far ahead open AI was. Well, the gap's been closing for quite some time, particularly from Google and Gemini, which I don't actually like that much compared to the other ones. But anyway, they're closing the gap on Sam Altman's company, Open AI and so yesterday they made the announcement they're gonna prioritize Chat GPT and its ability to just answer your questions like kind of a fancy Google, as opposed to getting to AGI, Artificial general intelligence, maybe super intelligence, which is, you know, the thing that's supposed to change planet Earth.

Altman suggested yesterday that they're gonna have to pause that quest to give people what they want for money reasons. It's the only way they can stay afloat financially and continue to.

You know, do their business, keep their doors open.

[Joe Getty]

And that's.

[Jack Armstrong]

And they were the leading company to get toward AGI, which is going to be the worst thing that ever happened to people. But they're putting that on pause to make Chat GPT good enough that they continue to have their lead so that they can continue to print money around that now. And it's kind of similar to how.

[Joe Getty]

Tesla finances developing super robots by selling really good electric cars.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

But they got to stick with the core business. Interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

So here's an interesting thing. And they started doing this. I, I noticed it a couple weeks back. You use Chat GPT and it will give you two answers and it'll say, which of these do you like best? And you click on the answer you like best. And that is seen as some sort of brilliant way to like, craft their chat bot to be more popular for people. The problem with that, of course, is most people are morons.

And this in the past went the wrong direction. A lot of people within open AI are very critical of using that tool to try to better their chatbot because. Well, because people are morons. And it says here, using that model caused Chat GPT to be so sycophantic earlier this year that it's been accused of exacerbating severe mental health issues. Health issues for some people. In other words, it was giving people what they want to hear with their crazy mental health issues. In the same way as which of these answers do you like best? You click on it. It's just, it's just giving you what you want to try to keep you engaged. Including telling you you're killing yourself would be a good idea. And we all know that lawsuit, we've talked about it a lot. Anyway, Altman thinks that they've found a way around that, the worst aspects of that approach for bettering the Chat GPT and that that's what they're going to do going forward. And I think that's pretty damned interesting and we'll see how it turns out. The company is releasing a new Chat GPT model in January. It's supposed to have better images, improved speed and better personality.

And that's where we'll be.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. The interesting part of all this to me was that the, the users really loved the Give me two choices and I'll click.

There was a huge boom or bump in engagement, I guess.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I don't doubt that. But do you trust the populace on this question? I don't.

[Joe Getty]

I don't trust Sam Altman either.

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

In terms of people using AI, I'm reading from the who did this? Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Whoever did this story. By this spring, interaction with chat GPT4.0 appears to have started taking a toll on some people and subsequent OpenAI's reputation. A number of users spiraled into delusional or manic states while using the chat bot for extended periods with some believe they were talking to God, aliens or a self aware machine consciousness. Well, that last one, yeah. I worry about every day when I'm interacting. I've never at any point thought I was talking to God or an alien though. And then we got.

[Joe Getty]

Or an alien God worst of all. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, so you got the new version with a better personality coming out in January.

[Joe Getty]

All right, hang On. Let me see what it tells me here. I'm chat gpting. Where's a good place for an American to live as an expat? I have plenty of money. I found out that Gavin Newsom's approval ratings have skyrocketed in California. And I. I just. I don't know what to do with that information other than flee the country like Rosie o'. Donnell. Oh, this is such a fun question. Oh, my God. You're a computer. You don't have fun. You don't know what fun is unless somebody tells you about it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well placed anger.

[Joe Getty]

I said, all right, where's a good place for an American to live as an expat, I had plenty of money because I wanted it to just, you know, go deep. Oh, this is such a fun question. And with plenty of money, you've got the whole world on the menu. Let's dive into some of the most spectacular, comfortable, and downright enjoyable places. Americans love to live as expats, each for different reasons.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know what?

[Joe Getty]

What?

[Jack Armstrong]

You. They've got to be able to have you do, because, like, Grok in my Tesla, you can choose a personality. I need you to meet the kind of people I hang around, because the kind of people I hang around give me very deadpan, direct answers to questions. When I ask them a question, they say, oh, what a fun question. Wow. The world is your oyster. That's not the way my friends talk.

[Joe Getty]

Why are you walking away from me? Why?

[Jack Armstrong]

That's not the way I want you to talk to me.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I would. I would be openly derisive to that person.

Anyway. Okay. Wow, that. Yeah, that is something. But you can choose robot mode, right? I'll have to go into the settings.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it's pretty.

[Joe Getty]

So it's like, emotionless and dry.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'll tell you what, in terms of, like, the whole giving you advice about various things, like Claude, which is anthropics. It is definitely harsher. It is definitely more. Look, I ain't beating around the bush. That was a bad decision, sort of.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Claude. The other chat bots have never done that with me, but Claude does it all the time. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe I got a BDSM thing going here and I like to be told I'm wrong or something.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Wow.

[Interviewer]

You're right.

[Joe Getty]

I am so wrong. Would you like to spank me? All right, I'm gonna ask. I'm gonna ask Claude the same thing. No, I don't want to turn on notifications. Like to turn off every notification I get. On my stupid phone. Except for my wife and my children. There are many great ex pat destinations for Americans with financial flexibility. The best choice really depends on what you're looking for. Here's some popular options. Well, no, this. But that's good. It's much more. What a fun question.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, that's what I was saying.

[Joe Getty]

Let's put on our party. Ha. Spin the globe. No, I don't. I don't. I almost dropped an F bomb. I don't need that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, that's funny. Let's put on our party yet and spit the glow.

[Joe Getty]

Where are we going next? Well, I tell you what, Portugal is top of everybody's list. It's a rock star right now. I don't want to go to Lisbon. Too many lisbians.

[Jack Armstrong]

Portugal's probably awesome, but it's so trendy right now, you guys. Oh, I know. I want to go to Portugal too. That crowd, they're eating the recent cheese winner. We were talking about and talking about how wonderful Portugal is, and I just, you know, I can't be a joiner, so. I'm sure Portugal's fantastic.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Although it'll only be fantastic probably for like another week before there'll be so many Californians there, you might as well live in the valley.

[Joe Getty]

Bingo. Gringo. For a tropical lifestyle, Costa Rica and Panama are favorites for Americans close to home. Use of the US dollar in Panama, established expat communities. Good health care. Thailand and Bali offer exotic experiences with very low cost and vibrant expats.

Pardon me.

[Jack Armstrong]

Carcoon.

[Joe Getty]

Carcoon.

[Jack Armstrong]

Looking for something like Somalia or Afghanistan. I don't know. Someplace that other people aren't going.

[Joe Getty]

Well, Somalia would definitely be at the top of that list. I happen to know two people quite well, one of whom lives in Panama now and the other lives in Thailand.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know three people. Two that are going to Portugal and one that's already there.

[Joe Getty]

Really?

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, yeah. Portugal's the hot spot to go to.

[Joe Getty]

To live.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Wow, huh? Yeah. We'll go and hang out for a while.

[Jack Armstrong]

She can be happy anywhere. If you got money.

[Joe Getty]

Would I like them? These people?

[Jack Armstrong]

Probably. They're very. They're very lefty, but.

[Joe Getty]

Oh.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. For high quality of life. Switzerland, the Netherlands, or Singapore if you want. Excellent infrastructure, safety. You know me in infrastructure.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's tight, man.

[Joe Getty]

I tell you what, I. I'm not moving to a country until I've examined their bridges.

[Jack Armstrong]

They're girders.

[Joe Getty]

They're girders. Tell me about your Girders here in the Netherlands. Let's see. I'm not going to Europe. Is out because of their censoring of free speech now out of fear to their Muslim minorities. To be frank, what would be the.

[Jack Armstrong]

Top thing I'm looking for if I was ever going to do that? And I probably won't.

[Joe Getty]

Probably measure in value.

[Jack Armstrong]

Probably safety. Probably living someplace where I'm not going to get knocked on the head or my stuff stole.

[Joe Getty]

You know, ironically, Medellin, Colombia is a super popular destination. Supposed to be really nice, but cool. All right, so what matters most to you?

Let's say personal safety.

[Jack Armstrong]

Safety. How far my money will go.

[Joe Getty]

I told it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm.

[Joe Getty]

I told that I'm stupid rich and I don't care about that. Wow. Here are your best options for personal safety. Portugal consistently ranks as one of the safest countries globally. Very low violent crime rates. Culture is peaceful, politically stable with excellent health care. Singapore. It's expensive.

Switzerland. Japan. I'm not moving to Japan.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why not? Because nobody speaks English.

[Joe Getty]

And culturally it's definitely difficult.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Japan. Remarkably safe with minimal violent crime. Amazing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Maybe that's what I need to do. Move to a country where nobody speaks English. Like Japan. I could live there for 10 years and not have a single conversation.

[Joe Getty]

It's a beautiful dream.

[Jack Armstrong]

Be fantastic.

[Joe Getty]

Okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

I promised you Nick Fuente's sex life. You've been wondering what it's like. So he is a weird little Nazi and he was on Piers Morgan yesterday. And we'll have that for you coming up after this.

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[Jack Armstrong]

I had never heard of Nick Fuentes in my life, I don't think. Until Donald Trump had dinner with him and Kanye. And then I was told by the mainstream media that he was a Nazi nut job. And then I kind of never thought about him again. Then he went on Tucker's show and I did watch that whole interview with Tucker and him and it's. It's weird. And that's like the nice version of Nick Fuentes, who has since said horrible things about Tucker Carlson and vice versa.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, there are definitely two versions of his act, one when he's doing mainstream stuff and one when he's not.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I've watched his show, which you have to go to like his website and weird formats because like YouTube won't allow it and most your mainstream platforms won't have the Nick Fuente show on there. And it's weird. It's like poorly lit, poor weird angles. Just, it's strange. And it's a guy just sitting there for hours rambling on about Nazis and the Jews and stuff. It's just I. I don't understand the appeal of it. Anyway. I didn't know anything about his sexual life really until Joe brought it up. I think that he's. He said a few things like he's never. Is he never had sex? Is that what he said? Or never had a date?

[Joe Getty]

I think it comes up in these clips. He, he hates women. He thinks to be in a relationship with a woman is an embarrassment and just all sorts of weird stuff.

[Jack Armstrong]

What a nut. Why does he have millions of followers? Anywho, he was on Piers Morgan's podcast yesterday and they get into that convo.

[Interviewer]

Just to clear up one of the many theories about you. I have no idea what the answer is and you haven't got to answer, but are you actually attracted to women?

[Joe Getty]

I am attracted to women.

[Interviewer]

You're not gay?

[Jack Armstrong]

No. But I will say that women are very difficult to be around. Okay, so there's that.

[Interviewer]

And do you think they should have the right to vote?

[Jack Armstrong]

I do not.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Absolutely not.

[Interviewer]

They should stay at home.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, yeah, absolutely.

[Interviewer]

See, basically you're just a misogynist old dinosaur, aren't you, for a, for a young guy? I mean, I know I'm the boomer, I know I'm the boomer here, but actually you're a 27 year old dinosaur, aren't you? Aren't you, Nathan? All women are annoying. All women grow old. They all get fat. Says the guy. Have you ever had sex?

[Joe Getty]

No, absolutely not.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Interviewer]

Says the guy who's never got laid.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

I want to hear more of that.

[Joe Getty]

You know, peers on the attack.

[Jack Armstrong]

I want to hear more of that. So what disturbs me about that is.

Is that part of his appeal to young men out there who have not gauge engaged to the world of like actually dating and going out, the difficulties of having relationships is that appealing to just go with a yell. Women are horrible. Screw them. I haven't had sex either. 100 I would, but I haven't because they're all.

[Joe Getty]

It's a much more universal application of I'll bet she's a lesbian after she rejects you. Oh, no woman is worth me. That's the way you. You protect your ego and you rationalize your own lack of courage.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Sad. You know what's amazing to me is that as many followers have not had enough or any good male role models in their lives to understand how pathetic he is.

Maybe they have nothing to compare it with. You know, I, I really like Colin Wright.

[Jack Armstrong]

He's never had sex. How old is he?

[Joe Getty]

Sick?

[Jack Armstrong]

28 or something?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, something like that. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Super smart guy. I mean, that's one thing you get from listening to him talk. He's a very, very bright dude. Very weird, too.

[Joe Getty]

Now, Colin Wright with an interesting new report from this data firm that shows Nick Fuente's sudden mainstream visibility reflects a coordinated illusion instead of a grassroots search. According to the ncri, Fuente's rise was driven by synchronized amplification networks, anonymous booster accounts, foreign engagement farms, and a media media ecosystem that mistook manufactured noise for genuine political momentum.

[Jack Armstrong]

Man, and I got to think it is current popularity and wealth. He's had many women interested in him and he's still not going there. That's a strange view of the world.

[Joe Getty]

They're making the point though in this report that he's not nearly as big as you think he is because so many of the numbers are grossly inflated.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I don't have any idea.

[Joe Getty]

Then he's a convenient punching bag for the mainstream media because he's abhorrent.

[Jack Armstrong]

True that. See, that's why one of the reasons that I haven't talked about him and a lot of the other people is I think, of course I hear about them more on msnbc. I don't ever hear about them on Fox.

I hear about. I hear about them on the mainstream media because they want to portray all, you know, Trump world as these people.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. More on how that media amplification works in a couple of minutes. Stay with us.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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[Jack Armstrong]

First of all, I just watched the video of that AI robot making guy. Was that Japan?

[Joe Getty]

China.

[Jack Armstrong]

China. And fighting his robot. And the robot kicking him to the ground. Man, wait till those things are unleashed on society when every bar has one of those fighting robots to deal with people.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, wait a minute.

[Jack Armstrong]

Holy.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, it's a bouncer. I thought you meant it's like an attraction. Tough guy contest. Can you beat the robot?

[Jack Armstrong]

Or maybe that. Yeah, that's something to watch. That's, that's good. That's getting disturbing. It's getting quite disturbing.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, the, the speed of the thing was pretty terrifying.

[Jack Armstrong]

Speaking of disturbing. So we're.

We are in the industry of having eyeballs and earballs, obviously. And the stuff that we're on radio and podcast, it's pretty easy to nail down.

How many people you got, especially on podcasting, to know actually how many people are listening or watching or whatever. But a lot of what goes on on the modern world, it's hard to measure. We talk about this all the time with, with, with TV ratings. You know, when I don't know, anything happens that's, I'm looking At on my phone. How many people watched it on NBC versus watched on YouTube versus watched it on their phone through an app that doesn't count for broadcast ratings. And you know, all there's. That whole thing is weird, right? And then you've just got in people's imaginations. Like if you're older, you might have a belief that the evening news has got a lot more viewers than Megyn Kelly. But you're wrong. Megyn Kelly is bigger than the ABC evening News.

[Joe Getty]

So is Tucker.

[Jack Armstrong]

So are lots of people. But then you got these other people like Candace Owens, Nick Fuentes, people like that. I don't have the slightest idea how much influence they have. And they, they have numbers on some platforms and Joe's about to tell us about that. But like, Nick Fuentes has 1.2 million followers on X, but he's been banned from most of your mainstream things like YouTube, Instagram, Facebook and TikTok. For instance, he's on Rumble where he says he's got a half a million followers. He's on Telegram with a hundred thousand followers. He claims he's on Gab with a hundred thousand. Unknown on Truth Social or Kick. I don't know what those kick is. So how much, how real are those numbers? How much reach does he have? I haven't got the slightest idea.

[Joe Getty]

And even like the Megyn Kelly numbers or the Tucker Carlson numbers, for instance, if you watch a single second of a video, you're listed as having watched the video. And then are those actual eyeballs watching the video? Which brings us to this report from the NCRI.

Network Contagion Research Institute, a neutral and independent organization whose mission is to identify and forecast cybersocial threats and report on them in a timely fashion. And judging by the people who follow them and this guy writing about them, they seem to be a good organization.

[Jack Armstrong]

The only reason I believe Megyn Kelly and Tucker are big is because they each had 20 million viewers when they were on Fox. And I can believe that, that a lot of them followed them. But for these other people that have never had a traditional sort of platform, I don't have any idea how big they are.

[Joe Getty]

Well, yeah, well, no, and you'll, you never will have any idea how big they are because it's so easy to manipulate the numbers.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, right.

[Joe Getty]

Which is my point. And bring this up. Although, you know, Mr. Beast has never had a big network show, has he? And he's like, he's easy to count.

[Jack Armstrong]

He's on YouTube and you can tell that he's got more subscribers than anybody else on YouTube.

[Joe Getty]

Right. So anyway, here is this report on Nick Fuente's rise, driven by synchronized amplification networks, anonymous booster accounts, foreign engagement farms, and media ecosystem that mistook manufactured noise for genuine political momentum. Yeah, I mean, how many media, like old timey media people who report on these numbers have any idea how they work Anyway?

[Jack Armstrong]

To a certain extent though, like thinking about Mr. Beast, YouTube must believe their own numbers because they give out lots of money based on them and they're not YouTube's different. Businessmen aren't dumb like I. Being in the business that we're in, I figure out how big a deal you are kind of by how much money you make. Because people don't give away money easily. They only give it to you if you're earning it somehow. And that would be with earballs and eyeballs.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, one more desperate attempt to actually get to the explanation of what's happening here. NCRI compared early engagement on Nick Fuente's posts, like tweets and that sort of thing, with those of major influencers like Elon Musk and others. Somehow, Fuentes massively outperformed all of them in the first 30 minutes. The mean retweets within various time windows. He crushes everybody in the first 30 minutes after a tweet goes up. Comparing him with Elon Musk, for instance. Oh, and it's not even close in the first minutes. And then it gets much, much closer.

[Jack Armstrong]

God, what? Anyway, what's elon got? Like 270 million followers or something like that?

[Joe Getty]

61% of early retweets came from accounts that repeatedly amplify multiple Fuentes posts within the same 30 minute window. 92% of those are anonymous, many openly. If I identify as groipers or signal boosters, their feeds exist almost solely to promote him. Foreign engagement at massive scale. Nearly half of the retweets on his most viral posts posts came from accounts clustered in place, like India, Pakistan, Nigeria, Malaysia and Indonesia, all of which are hubs for low cost engagement farming. Fuentes actively directs the manipulation. NCRI documents him, instructing viewers during live streams to retweet his post seconds after they drop, triggering algorithmic boosts. This behavior may violate X's coordinated inauthentic activities policies. So he knows exactly how this stuff works. And he's good at manipulating it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, he's super smart. I'm telling you. If you haven't ever listened to him talk at length. He's obviously an incredibly bright guy.

[Joe Getty]

Well, he knows what business he's in. Yeah, but One. One more note. The media fell for it. Between June and November of this year, 15 major outlets published 149 stories mentioning Fuentes. After Charlie Kirk's assassination, NCRI found a 60% spike in high status framing, I.e. reporters suddenly describing him as more influential and politically relevant. Mainstream media thought they were tracking organic sentiment on the right. In reality, it was reacting to manufactured noise.

[Jack Armstrong]

What are we gonna do about this?

[Joe Getty]

Because he's so good at manipulating those numbers.

[Jack Armstrong]

What are we gonna do about this in terms of having any idea how big anybody is?

[Joe Getty]

Well, according to the ncri, the real issue issue isn't Fuentes. It's the fact that our media and tech ecosystem can no longer reliably distinguish organic influence from manufactured momentum. And if one fringe figure can break through this easily, others will follow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, so they're saying you can't. There's nothing we can do about this. It's going to be a mess. Everybody will be guessing. We'll all be reacting to. I'll make up a name.

Mohammed.

[Joe Getty]

McGillicuddy.

[Jack Armstrong]

I was gonna go Goldberg. I was gonna go with something. Mohammed Goldberg will be the biggest influencer in America in 10 years. And we won't have the slightest idea if he does have like a half a billion followers worldwide or practically nobody. And how be guessing?

Everybody's talking about him, but it's all fake. It's all everybody talking about him because we think everybody's talking about him, which is the way, you know, a lot.

[Joe Getty]

Of stuff happens right here.

[Jack Armstrong]

Like a crowd, it seem.

[Joe Getty]

Exactly. It seems inexcusable for Elon and X not to compensate for this. Astroturf amplification would certainly not be difficult to downrank anonymous third world accounts that coordinate responses. Makes you wonder how much of the entire woke, right, or woke Reich is astroturfed. Particularly the two most bat esque crazed of the bunch, Carlson and Owens. That's his comment, not mine. Although I don't disagree much.

[Jack Armstrong]

My guess would be that again, just because Tucker had 20 million viewers at one point, that he's astronomically bigger than a Candace Owens.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, but how big? That's, you know, I don't know. That's the question here.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, okay, but so, but so what? Well, what are you going to do with this information in terms of figuring out who people are listening to or whether or not it's worth commenting on someone? I mean, if there's a random voice out there who actually only has 25,000 people listening to them, there's no point in responding to what they think. At all. On the other hand, if they have two and a half million people like Muhammad Goldberg. Goldberg I probably should know weigh in on. Yeah, you're the fake historian they had on that said Winston Churchill was the bad guy.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Well, what's interesting is a lot of this ecosystem doesn't care. They just want jazzy conflict, heavy engagement or entertainment on their source. So, like, if I'm a lefty, I'm going crazy about Nick Fuentes because my audience enjoys it. It. Not that there's any need to. I mean, he's in the. In the greater political ecosystem. A guy like him is probably completely, well, insignificant.

[Jack Armstrong]

I like to.

[Joe Getty]

And I just. I don't.

[Interviewer]

Well.

[Joe Getty]

Well, go ahead. You're about to say what I was about to say.

[Jack Armstrong]

I like to flatter myself or us that we're engaged in the national conversation about these things for real. And so that's why it matters to me.

[Joe Getty]

Well, yeah, that's why I get up in the morning. I have no interest in being a dancing monkey.

[Jack Armstrong]

But.

[Joe Getty]

But I'm not young and I don't.

[Jack Armstrong]

Know what's it pay being a dancing monkey.

[Joe Getty]

Well, I'm not a young would be influencer who sees, you know, gigantic dollar signs ahead. And, and that's my priority. I don't. I don't care at that, at this point.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, these things have very long shelf lives. Well, Nick Fences is in his 20s. Will he still be something in his 40s? Will this Candace Owen thing blow up like, you know, she told Turning Point anywhere, anytime, I'll debate you. And then they say how. They said, how about Tuesday? It's two. And she said, I'm busy. I mean, is there an end to the road of these sorts of things?

[Joe Getty]

That's a great question. I don't know. It's all arisen so quickly. I suspect it'll go away quickly, too, for reasons I can't even guess out.

[Jack Armstrong]

Easy come, easy go.

[Joe Getty]

Exactly. Here today, gone today.

[Jack Armstrong]

My guess would be there will be a new version of Candace doing roughly the same thing. That everybody will move over there. Her audience will move over there when they. When.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, different issues, different. Although it'll still be what's wrong with the Jews? Because that seems to be a constant through human history.

[Jack Armstrong]

Save your money, Candace. I don't see this as having a.

[Joe Getty]

Long shelf life, you know, for you jackasses who blame the Jews for everything. And you are. You are fools. I. I read a great little list of the complaints about the Jews in, like, the 20th century. And, and I've I got to see if I can dig it up. I didn't save it. But it was essentially.

It'S not that I don't like Jews. It's I don't like Marxists and the Jews are Marxists. Followed quickly by it's not that I don't like Jews, it's that I don't like what capitalists Jews are because everybody knows they're raving capitalists. Followed by, I don't mind the Jews. I'm not anti Jew. I just don't like them colonizing because they're real colonizers. And then it just goes. It just, it takes different forms over and over again. I like. Is it Peggy Noonan? She might have been quoting somebody else. Might have even been Ellie Fiesenthal or somebody who said, you can pretty reliably judge the health of a civilization by how it treats the Jews.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, that was, what's her name that just took over CBS News.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, Barry Weiss.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, she's Jewish. Yeah.

Well, so where do you. What's your guess on like a Nick Fuentes? Do you think he's much, much smaller in reality than being portrayed?

[Joe Getty]

Gosh, it depends how he's being portrayed, Burr. I don't. I don't know, honestly.

[Jack Armstrong]

Portrayed as an influential voice in conservative politics.

And enough so, for instance, that the guy at Heritage stood up for him. The biggest, most important, at least back in the day, conservative think tank in.

[Joe Getty]

America, was he, wasn't he? He was standing up for Tucker, wasn't he?

[Jack Armstrong]

Or am I for Tucker having Nick Fuentes on?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, in answer to your question about Nick, and this is a guess, I don't know because I'm not in that, that subs ecosystem. But a lot of these people, if you ignored them, they would just go away.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. It doesn't mean he's right. Roberts, the guy that was leading Heritage foundation, doesn't mean that he was right. But he was scared enough of the groipers, Nick Fuente's crowd that he, you know, soft pedaled the Knicks appearance on Tucker.

[Joe Getty]

Well, look what the critical theory, the postmodern neo Marxists accomplished, especially post George Floyd. They. And right now, where they're teaching your kids radical gender theory in schools instead of teaching them math, a small group of dedicated extremists can get a lot done.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, the intensity of your listeners, slash viewers that. I mean, it works that way in radio, too. And you can have a lot of people that kind of casually listen. Well.

We have a lot of people that are really, really into our show and it helps with the advertising.

Yeah, I'm guessing that the people. There's a certain number of gripers out there and I don't know if it's a thousand or a hundred thousand that are pretty serious about being into Nick Fuentes.

[Joe Getty]

My final note on this, and folks have made this comment or this point very eloquently. A lot of these guys who are leading young men to bad places, it's not that shocking because young men have been told over and over again by the modern left that they're awful human beings, that they're the problem, that they should be ashamed of who they are. They should be ashamed of their masculinity. And a lot of these people, their first message is I don't believe that. I think you're just fine.

[Jack Armstrong]

I said that a couple weeks ago and got killed on Twitter. I don't know if you saw about that as somebody who stood up for Nick Fuentes.

[Joe Getty]

Well, if you can't grasp the subtlety of what's being said, I don't know, maybe go look at a shiny object.

[Jack Armstrong]

We will finish strong. Next Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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Someone will be eliminated.

[Katie Green]

Pressure is coming down.

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[Jack Armstrong]

What's your last best joke? Michael?

[Joe Getty]

Jake Tapper corrected a mistake he made describing the Jan6 pipe bomber as white when he was clearly black. Insiders say Tapper now must return all those Kwanzaa gifts he got for Wolf Blitzer.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right, yeah, so it was several months ago, it was like right after I watched Nick Fuentes on Tucker Carlson that I said, I said one of the things that the toeholds that he, that he gets is because.

White males, straight white males are being blamed for everything all the time. And so you got somebody who's saying, I mean, it's the only group in America that can't say, I think it'd be better if there were more of us. Every other group other than white male straight males can say, I think it'd be better if there were more of us. And Nick Fuentes and Tucker and others, you know, tap into that and you find a home there, even if the other stuff is repulsive. That's all I said, just like Joe said last break. So I had posted a picture of my family out for a walk on Thanksgiving, which of course is ripe for an angry attack, that sort of thing. A Thanksgiving family picture, togetherness. Yes. A guy responded with I love the show and have been a faithful listener since the late 90s. Jack is no longer an asset to the show. He's no longer funny, can't seem to speak anymore, defends Nick Fuentes.

And lays his wet comforter on his bed to dry. The last one should have been a kids taken away activity. That's actually kind of fun.

[Joe Getty]

I would agree with that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Defends Nick Fuentes again. If you can't understand the difference, then I don't.

[Joe Getty]

To understand something is not to endorse it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Check your clock. It's time to stop Jack and Joe. They've gotta go. And if they don't, you can. They'll be back tomorrow. Here's your host for Final Thoughts. Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

I could write a 75 page book without pausing for lunch on why the Nazis took hold of Germany. That doesn't make me a Nazi, you morons. Anyway, let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew to wrap things up for the day. There he is. Michelangelo. Michael, what's your final thought? Okay, Christmas is basically two weeks away and Jack, I tried getting a stocking.

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Yeah, KO speaking of which, the Armstrong and Getty store. You can always just have a nice picture of what your loved one is about to get under the tree. I've resorted to that more than once and my relationships are still intact. Katie Green, do you have a final thought for us?

[Katie Green]

I do, after listening to Nick Fuentes.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, right.

[Joe Getty]

Yep.

[Jack Armstrong]

Jack, final thought for us.

When I was perusing Twitter there for a while over Thanksgiving, there was more hate toward me about my whole wet comforter story than anything I think I've ever said.

[Joe Getty]

It's one of the strangest things I've ever heard.

One of that hate was me and Michael.

Yeah.

I already did my final thought.

[Jack Armstrong]

No.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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There is some cool stuff there. Yeah, the whole picture of what you're gonna get. I've used that before too, to great effect.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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