You Could Hang Him With Dental Floss

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "You Could Hang Him With Dental Floss"

Date: November 21, 2025
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty

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Episode Overview

This episode tackles the latest in U.S. and world politics—focusing on explosive recent rhetoric between Donald Trump and congressional Democrats around military "illegal orders," seditious behavior, and the state of American political norms. Other significant themes include vintage fashion trends, inflation and the impact on the middle class, the continuing fallout from the Epstein saga, gender-affirming care debates, and even the wild lives of jazz legends. Armstrong & Getty navigate the heated landscape with their trademark mix of irreverence, analysis, and dry humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump’s "Five Words" and Washington Chaos ([03:15] - [14:55])

• Controversial Trump Post: The hosts dissect Donald Trump's viral five-word Truth Social post:
  "Seditious behavior, punishable by death" ([08:13]).
  • Getty notes this may be a record for how much commotion Trump has generated with so few words.
  • Armstrong is sharply critical of the "peace offer" to Ukraine, allegedly formulated by Trump with Kremlin input but simultaneously praises Trump's insistence that NATO nations take more responsibility for their defense ([05:26]).
  • Both hosts agree Trump’s rhetoric on “seditious behavior” is dangerously escalatory and not presidential.

"So what is he talking about? We escalated quickly."
— Joe Getty ([08:20])

• Congressional Democrats’ Video: They play and analyze a recent video featuring Democratic senators urging military personnel to refuse unconstitutional or illegal orders.
  • Armstrong accuses the video’s creators of trying to foster chaos or martyrdom in the ranks for political gain ([10:00]).
  • Both hosts warn that such gestures risk undermining military discipline and national security, likening the situation to a "race to the bottom" in political discourse ([12:57]).

"It is so far out of line...they actually want to incite some poor son of a [expletive] to...become a martyr."
— Armstrong ([10:00])

• Call-Outs to Leadership: Mike Johnson and Lindsey Graham’s reactions are discussed, with both saying Trump’s language was inappropriate but also criticizing the vague insinuations from the Senate side ([13:04]).

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2. International Tension: The Ukraine "Deal" ([03:15], [39:08])

• Ukraine’s Existential Moment: The hosts return repeatedly to the rumored deal pushed on Zelensky: Russia gets sweeping concessions or U.S. support for Ukraine dries up.
  • Armstrong points out how Europe is deeply alarmed and how Trump’s tougher NATO stance is, in some ways, overdue ([04:26], [39:08]).
  • Getty floats the idea of back-channeling through European leaders to fight for Ukraine's interests.
• On-Going Crisis: Near the episode's end, Getty provides an update:
  "President Zelensky has just spoken with leaders of France, UK and Germany about this proposal..." ([39:08])

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3. Socialism Condemned in Congress ([06:23])

• Recent Vote: The House passes a resolution condemning socialism, just as NYC mayor-elect Zorhan Mandani (dubbed "Mom Donnie" by the hosts) prepares for a White House visit.
  • Armstrong mocks the gesture as symbolic and overdue, bemoaning a lack of practical consequences.
  • Getty cynically recaps: "Socialism sucks. Whatever, whatever." ([06:53])

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4. The Erosion of Political Norms & Outrage Culture ([12:14])

• The hosts lament the breakdown of past norms, joking about "hanging senators with dental floss" (hence the episode title) but explicitly condemn any real-world violence ([14:43]).

"You could hang him with dental floss."
— Armstrong, joking about Adam Schiff’s slender build ([14:43])

• They reference the absurd escalation of rhetoric and the impossibility of dialing back the temperature:

“It’s like running onto a football field and screaming, ‘Stop tackling each other’…it’s a fantasy. It’s not gonna happen.”
— Armstrong ([12:23])

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5. Economic Struggles: Inflation and the Middle Class ([28:18] - [31:13])

• Armstrong details a Wall Street Journal piece: "America’s middle class is weary. After nearly five years of high prices, many middle-class earners thought life would be more affordable by now. Costs for goods and services are 25% above where they were in 2020." ([28:46])
  • The hosts highlight the difficulty of “catching up” with inflation—discussing how few have received a 25% raise to match rising costs.
  • Getty sharply sums it up: "We took a 25% pay cut, essentially." ([29:52])

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6. Cultural Trends: Vintage Fashion & Old School Cool ([19:16] - [21:15])

• The hosts banter about their sons' love for vintage clothing, e.g., Members Only jackets and 80s Levi’s. ([19:16])
  • Armstrong quips: "Wow. So they rejected you as a member for Members Only jackets." ([20:35])
  • They discuss the cyclical nature of trends, comparing it to band revivals ([21:15]).

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7. Congressional Use of "Democracy" as a Buzzword ([21:23] - [23:12])

• Armstrong describes a fascinating visual study tracking House mentions of “democracy” since 1880, noting recent years have seen a massive spike—and not always in earnest, substantive contexts.

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8. Epstein Fallout & Legal Distinctions ([32:12] - [36:55])

• The hosts share details from the Epstein saga:
  • "Larry Summers and his wife flew on Epstein's plane to 'Pedo Island' for their honeymoon...this is 2005, before his conviction. I'm sure everybody knew Epstein was living a pretty wild life and on the very edge..." ([33:06])
  • Discussion on the distinction between “pedophilia” and sexual crimes with older minors, referencing Megyn Kelly’s recent controversial comments.
  • Armstrong and Getty agree that acts with a prepubescent child and with a nearly 18-year-old are both abhorrent, but should be labeled differently in language and law.

"A 7 year old and a 17 year old is a completely different situation."
— Armstrong ([34:02])

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9. Gender Care Science & Backlash ([38:22] - [39:06])

• Armstrong explains a major Department of Health and Human Services review stating there is “no science to support this gender bending madness, especially for kids.”
  • Both hosts predict there will come a reckoning over the current era of “mutilating and pumping kids through permanent changing chemicals.”
  • Getty: "One of the craziest things that's ever happened." ([39:06])

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10. Jazz Legends, Vice, & Living Hard ([43:25] - [47:27])

• Getty enthusiastically describes discovering the legendary “Jazz at Massey Hall” album and recounts tales from Miles Davis’ memoir about Charlie Parker’s decline into addiction ([43:25]).
  • Anecdotes include Parker eating fried chicken and having sex in a cab—simultaneously—while Miles Davis looked on in horror ([44:43]).
  • Armstrong jokes, “The whole sex and fried chicken thing, I’m not ready to condemn it.” ([46:44])
• The conversation is a reminder of wild creativity—and wild living—in history’s greats.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Ukraine’s Dilemma:
  “Europe is horrified by this idea...because it empowers Putin, it rewards him for his aggressions, it shows him a roadmap for how to do it in the Baltic states next...”
  — Armstrong ([04:26])

• On Political Norms:
  “There are no norms that will go untrampled upon.”
  — Armstrong ([13:04])

• On Inflation:
  “Costs for goods and services are 25% above where they were in 2020.”
  — Armstrong (quoting WSJ, [28:46])

• On Trump’s Rhetoric:
  “The current President of the United States should not say ‘seditious behavior punishable by death’, suggesting they had committed a crime that they could be executed for...”
  — Getty ([11:37])

• On Congressional Cowardice:
  "If you think something is really out of bounds illegal. Well then name the specific act and put your name on it. Why not?"
  — Getty ([13:49])

• On Jazz Legends:
  "He [Charlie Parker] was having sex with this woman while he’s eating fried chicken...the sounds and the noises coming out of there between the sex and the smackin’ his lips with the chicken and licking his fingers from the chicken and having more sex...it’s an amazing description."
  — Getty ([44:43])

• On Gender Care:
  “We are soon all of us going to look back on that period ... and we’re going to think, how in the name of God did we let something so terrible happen?”
  — Armstrong ([38:22])

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Additional Brief Highlights

• DoorDash data breach jokes and delivery fees confusion ([18:31])
• Trends in thrift/vintage clothing and the way cultural coolness cycles ([19:16])
• Runaway use of “threats to democracy” in Congress over the last 100 years ([21:23])
• Musings on band comebacks, Members Only jackets, and retro brand resurgences ([20:56])
• Controversial musings on age of consent laws and linguistic distinctions for sexual crimes involving minors ([34:02])

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Conclusion

True to form, Armstrong & Getty blend sharp political critique and cultural curiosity, oscillating between grave warnings on the state of the Republic and light-hearted banter about fashion and music. The episode is an energetic snapshot of a moment when American politics seems to be escalating toward rhetorical extremes, and the co-hosts respond not with panic but with their signature sardonic wit. For old listeners and new, the discussion is both insightful and entertaining.

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Interested in in-depth commentary on each topic? Subscribe to Armstrong & Getty On Demand, and don't miss out on “hour four” for further detail on inflation and other pressing issues.

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Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here. Here's Armstrong and Yeti.

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Trump may have set his all time record for starting a fire, you know, a verbal fire among the chattering classes with the fewest words. Most reaction for the fewest words is a five word post yesterday that has gotten a tremendous amount of reaction. So we'll get to that in just a second. First, I wanted to mention this. We talked last hour about that proposal that's been given to Zelinsky that like, Russia gets everything they want and beyond. And the message from the White House is you need to accept this.

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Or.

[Getty]

We'Re cutting off all support. And he got till Thanksgiving. And Zelinsky just came out and said that Ukraine faces one of the most difficult moments in our nation's history.

[Armstrong]

I would say, I would agree they've been extremely diplomatic in responding to this horrific quote, unquote offer, but, man, they're in a tough spot.

[Getty]

What would you do? I think I, I think I back channel to my European friends and let them speak loudly about why this is a terrible idea.

[Armstrong]

100%. Yeah. Be extremely diplomatic like they're being, and play for time and send signals. Well, you know, Zelensky really doesn't have to say a word. Europe is horrified by this idea, just horrified because it empowers Putin, it rewards him for his aggressions, it shows him a roadmap for how to do it in the Baltic states next or, you know, part of Poland where there's a lot of Russian speakers or what have you.

[Getty]

You know, I was just thinking, I'll bet Macron's going to be on the phone with Trump today. What's his name there in Germany? Fred Mertz. But Trump could say to him, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, there's a, there's another way to deal with a war in your backyard that doesn't include us at all. Why don't you do something about it? Totally legit, totally legitimate thing to say.

[Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Getty]

Why is it on us to figure this out and present a plan? Go ahead, present your plan. Knock yourself out. I'll read about it in the newspaper tomorrow.

[Armstrong]

So, and my God, if you can't handle, you know, subtlety, maybe this is the wrong show for you or nuance. But I am harshly critical of this quote, unquote, peace offer that Trump cooked up with the Kremlin, for God's sake. On the other hand, I think his approach with NATO has been exactly right, or so close to exactly right. It might as well be to forcefully emphasize to them that they must be able to defend themselves, that they've got to, as quickly as possible reform their finances. And that's the tough part. Aspa Crone and. And reinvigorate their defense industries. And they're just their. Their. Their defense. And be able to stand on their own two feet or at least be an ally worth having.

[Getty]

Please.

[Armstrong]

And several have actually answered that call. Some have kind of pretended to. Japan seems to be doing a pretty good job. I realize they're not Europe, but I. I think his approach in that regard has been terrific and long, long overdue.

[Getty]

That's gonna be quite the story for the next several days. That one I will follow while we're on vacation. Here's a good one with Mom. Donnie about to visit the White House having been called a communist from the podium yesterday, including by the President. Listen to this. The House just overwhelmingly voted to condemn socialism hours before Mayor elect Zorhan Mandani visit the White House. So they passed. They passed a resolution condemning socialism. All right. National Cookie day. Socialism sucks. Whatever, Whatever.

[Armstrong]

Listen, we're constantly crying out for someone to take a stand against socialism, to say it doesn't work. And if the truth is spoken and Jack spits in their eye, their collective 435 man eye, who pays any attention.

[Getty]

To any of these gestures?

[Armstrong]

I think it's a profound move and long overdue. What was I going to say? It doesn't matter.

[Getty]

So now to the five words that rocked the world yesterday from Donald Trump. I'll read his post and then we'll backfill sedition. This is all caps.

[Armstrong]

Joe Biden joining us this morning. Good.

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In for a problem. Listen, Val.

[Armstrong]

You gotta ask me the American problems.

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Here's the five words that rocked the world.

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My bus been wet.

[Armstrong]

My bus been wet.

[Getty]

We don't have any of those, Michael. All right, that was very Biden. Like, you really wind up. You're gonna hit the blow. Well, here's what the hell. Here were the words. First, all caps. Seditious behavior, comma, punishable by death.

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What?

[Getty]

That's a short post. Five words. Seditious behavior punishable by death. Exclamation point. So what is he talking about?

[Armstrong]

We escalated quickly.

[Getty]

We read this to you yesterday, but we didn't have the sound. It's a video they put out. Lots of senators, a bunch of different other people, Dems with this message. We won't play the whole thing, but some very prominent senators on here. Here it goes. Like us, you all swore an oath.

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To protect and defend this Constitution.

[Armstrong]

Right now, the threats to our Constitution aren't just coming from abroad, but from right here at home.

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Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders.

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You can refuse illegal orders.

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You must refuse illegal orders.

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No one has to carry out orders that violate the law or our Constitution.

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We know this is hard and that it's a difficult time to be a public servant.

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But whether you're serving in the CIA.

[Armstrong]

The army, or Navy, the Air Force.

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Your vigilance is critical.

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And know that we have your back because now, more than ever, the American people need you. We need you to stand up for.

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[Armstrong]

Don't give up. Don't give up.

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Don't give up.

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Don't give up the ship.

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So what is the message there? What are they trying to do?

[Armstrong]

I am going to skip past my horrified talk show host mode where I talk about how wildly, insanely inappropriate that is because it is, it is so far out of line, and skip to your question. What exactly are they trying to accomplish? Number one, they are trying to suggest, without stating it, that a number of actions recently have been illegal. I suspect they're talking about the snuffing of alleged drug boats, but apparently they.

[Getty]

Don'T feel like they're on solid enough ground to say out loud what they're talking about.

[Armstrong]

Right. Secondarily, they're hoping to get some soldier, sailor, airman, marine. They left out the Coast Guard, who apparently can do whatever they want, including illegal orders. They want somebody to refuse to execute an order so they can be made a symbol of Trump's lawlessness. I think they actually want to incite some poor son of a to think, you know, I, I got no reason to shoot at these guys or whatever and become a martyr.

[Getty]

The whole military structure falls apart. Well, there, of course, there are such things as illegal orders, and you constitutionally do not have to follow them, and.

[Armstrong]

You'Re trained to that effect. The minute you get in the service.

[Getty]

And something incredibly obvious like, you know, your commander says, I want you to torture these people until they talk, you can say, I'm not going to do that.

[Armstrong]

You got to shoot my wife's Boss and say he was a terrorist. No.

[Getty]

Right. But if you're just going to make a blanket statement vaguely about an out of control president, what do you, what are you hoping is going to happen here? And then the whole thing falls apart if people start judging orders on, oh, I'm not sure this is legal or not. I'd have to call my lawyer as a private in the Army. Right.

[Armstrong]

Yeah. Well, it seems clearly designed to, well, to A, suggest that there are illegal orders being given, although they don't have the balls to name them, and B, to really push into our service people's minds that there might be and they should be on the lookout.

[Getty]

Right. It's really just to whip up the sense of fear and urgency of how out of control things are right now. That's what it's designed to do. Yeah. Just to make people think, oh my God, it's that bad, it's that bad. Okay. And then Trump's response, of course, did not help because the current President of the United States should not say seditious behavior punishable by death, suggesting they had committed a crime that they could be executed for. By putting together that video, we're going to start hanging senators.

[Armstrong]

Neither side has any interest in cooling off the rhetoric. I'm not even gonna call for it anymore.

[Getty]

You can't go any farther than that than as hot rhetoric, can you?

[Armstrong]

It's like running onto a football field and screaming, stop tackling each other. Stop tackling each other. Forget it. It's a fantasy. It's not gonna happen.

[Getty]

Mike Johnson, speaker of the House, was asked about it. The words that the President chose are.

[Armstrong]

Not the ones that I would use.

[Getty]

Okay.

[Armstrong]

Obviously, I don't think that this is. These are crimes punishable death or any of that.

[Getty]

Okay. But what, what the point that is.

[Armstrong]

It that we need to emphasize here is that members of Congress in the Senate and the House should not be telling troops to disobey orders. It is dangerous.

[Getty]

God dang it. We are in a race to the bottom.

[Armstrong]

There are no norms that will go untrampled upon.

[Getty]

I saw Lindsey Graham on some show this morning and he said the same thing. No, I wouldn't have said that. I mean, they kept pushing on him. They wanted him to, you know, go against Trump. They kept pushing him and he finally said, no, I wouldn't have said that. No, that's not appropriate for the President to say. But he got back to what Mike Johnson said, and neither was it appropriate for a bunch of senators to say, you don't have to disobey order, illegal orders, you know, don't follow illegal orders. What are you suggesting here again? I think if they think something is really out of bounds illegal. Well then name the specific act and put your name on it. Why not? If you think what's going on in Venezuela is illegal, say it out loud. Don't just like generalize. That's not good.

[Armstrong]

Yeah, it's cowardly.

[Getty]

I don't. I don't know what to think of the fact that in my own brain when I heard yesterday what Trump said that I thought, oh, roll my eyes. I didn't think, you know, we're about to see senators swinging from the gallows, which I might have thought under Gerald Ford or Jimmy Carter or any other president back in the day when people didn't say things unless they met them.

[Armstrong]

Can I pick two senators swinging from the gallows and submit them somewhere? I just. After a fair trial, of course. Appeals in the American justice system. The envy of the world.

[Getty]

Which two do you have in mind?

[Armstrong]

No, I'm not naming names, you know. Oh Lord.

[Getty]

Let me think of something.

[Armstrong]

Oh boy. What's his face from Connecticut.

[Getty]

Him in my Senator. The guy with the thin neck. But you'd have to get a special Adam Schiff.

[Armstrong]

Yeah, you'd have to he. You could hang him with dental floss.

[Getty]

And slip right out of the noose again. And we're only with a fair trial actually having violated the Constitution in a way punishable by death.

[Armstrong]

And there should be no political violence.

[Getty]

No political violence.

[Armstrong]

We're talking due process.

[Getty]

That's not political violence.

[Armstrong]

Do freaking process like he said. That's right. All right then.

[Getty]

Okay, probably a good time to take a break and rethink our stance. We'll be back right after this.

[Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Armstrong]

The hackers will face criminal charges along with vague doordash charges yeah, no kidding. $10. Some customers vowed to never use doordash ever again.

[Getty]

And then they got hungry and ordered.

[Armstrong]

A burger from the McDonald's 600ft away.

[Getty]

No kidding. It's always a little confusing to try to figure out. So I know the, the thing I ordered was 13.95, but now it's 2850. What are all the charges in between? It's kind of hard to figure out what they are, but that's the way it works out.

[Armstrong]

Yeah, the ticket sellers started that. Right? The service fee, the handling fee, the processing charge. Wait a minute. What's the difference between a service fee and a processing charge?

[Getty]

Exactly. My son is into. We went out to eat last night and I told my kids, throw on some real clothes. We're gonna go to a kind of realish restaurant. And my son came out dressed in his new members Only jacket. He's a fan of vintage clothes. That's his thing. He goes to these. You can't really call them their thrift stores because they're a little too expensive to just be your old timey thrift stores. They're very popular right now for whatever reason. I was just in San Francisco and we were on went over the Haight Ashbury area and it's like all kind of mid to high range vintage stuff. Like expensive used clothes.

[Armstrong]

Yeah, my son is super into that too. It's kind of fun, really. It's like an art form. And it's not nearly as expensive as new stuff.

[Getty]

Oh, way, way, way cheaper than buying new stuff. But the funny thing is, he was dressed as a sophomore in high school the way I wanted to be dressed as a sophomore in high school, but didn't have the money for the clothes. I had a Members Only jackets were so popular in the 80s when I was in high school. I never had one. I had a knockoff like Kmart version. Kind of looked like the Members Only jacket. Should have been sued for copyright infringement. I mean, it was almost exactly the same with a logo that said, you know, can't afford this on it or something like that.

[Armstrong]

Wow. So they rejected you as a member for Members Only jackets.

[Getty]

And I had, I don't think I had real Levi's jeans either. I had some knockoff jeans and he was wearing vintage Levi's jeans he got last week from the 80s and a members Only jacket. I thought, how are you dressed as a sophomore in high school? The way I wanted to be dressed as a sophomore in high school. It's just interesting.

[Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Getty]

And it's interesting that they're still popular. He got lots of compliments on it. It's funny how things come in and out. And I was trying to explain him how members only, like all the cool people in high school had a members Only jacket. Then they became a joke for like 30 years. Now they're cool again. That's the way things go, in an arc.

[Armstrong]

I don't know, maybe that's why you keep bands too. Bands are popular, then they're a joke. And then people line up to see them 15 years later, right?

[Getty]

Yeah.

[Armstrong]

They're dyeing their hair and sucking in their guts and making a few bucks. And who can blame them? So it's funny. I came across this. It's appropriate to our last segment, talking about all the norms that are being exploded both sides of the aisle or estimate. This is so interesting, but it's entirely visual. Using like little glowing dots, it shows you all of the times the word democracy has been uttered in the House of Representatives, going back to 1880, when, I don't know, maybe the really good record keeping began or something like that, and how it was very, very low. Practically never. And it differentiates just mentions of democracy with this is a threat to our democracy. Those are like brighter dots, but it's like extremely rare. 1880 through 1936 or 7. Then as WWII's breaking out, there's a fair mention of democracy. It settled down again. Then the Cold War started. You saw some of it then in the 90s, it burbled up and came up a lot. Then it kind of dropped. During the Obama years, practically nobody was shouting about democracy. Now it's skyrocketed. It's like it's a never ending drumbeat of this is a threat to our democracy. And just constantly mentioning democracy, it's gone from like a tenth of a percent of, you know, the speeches in Congress now to 5%.

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Well, would it be a fair rebuttal to say we've got more of a threat. Threat to our democracy going on over the last decade or so than we ever have before? For all kinds of different reasons. Not.

[Armstrong]

You're not wrong. You generally hear it in a hyperbolic way though, don't you?

[Getty]

No, definitely. I want a canyon. We need to. We haven't bring back a canyon. We haven't had a caning in a long time.

[Armstrong]

What's old is new. Another caning.

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Yes.

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Say perfect.

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That's a big bite. So I'm going to have you got me?

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Okay. Eat the egg. Here.

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Good boy.

[Armstrong]

Was it scrambled?

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Okay, good. So happy for you. I think it's pretty obvious what's going on there. That's a woman who has a pet turkey going through the drive through at Chick Fil A and other news.

[Armstrong]

I remember when entertainment had the plot and people would write it and think about it. Not just freak shows, but freak shows. See, I. I would think bringing a turkey to a Chick Fil A is on its face, uncomfortable. You know what I mean?

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Little too close to home.

[Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, a little. You know, it's cannibalism adjacent.

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[Armstrong]

Wait a minute. Sleep with one BDI open.

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I got a couple of Epstein things for you. 1 Megan Kelly opened the can of worms of what's a pedophile anyway, Want to talk about that? And a Larry Summers revelation. That's pretty interesting. We'll get to those eventually.

[Armstrong]

Oh no. We were talking about this yesterday and I was trying to express. But I think they express it better this, this piece of journalism by Rachel Ensign and Rachel Wolf. The two Rachels, I call them America. We were talking about inflation and how it compounds. If you have 9% inflation, inflation one year, then 8% the next year.

[Getty]

It's not like.

[Armstrong]

No, the prices have come down. No, that means it's 8% on top of the $9 that the $ became. So it just keeps getting bigger and bigger and more bloated. And that the inflation rate has unquestionably come down since Donald Trump took office. And that is good news. But he's been a little out of touch and made some statements he really should not have about this fake news. And they just don't want to talk about our accomplishments and stuff like that.

[Getty]

Well, he didn't just imply, he stated flat out he could make the prices come down, which I wondered how he was going to fix that once he got in office.

[Armstrong]

Yeah, that, that would be extremely difficult to pay off, to pull off rather. But this is some good writing. America's middle class is weary. After nearly five years of high prices, many middle class earners thought life would be more affordable by now. Here's your key figure. Costs for goods and services are 25% above where they were in 2020.

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That's a lot.

[Armstrong]

Anybody here got a 25% raise in the last 25?

[Getty]

So think about that. So if you make a hundred grand a year, you make a lot less than you used to think you made.

[Armstrong]

Oh yeah, right. Even though the inflation rate is below its 20, 22 high. Certain essentials. And they go into coffee, ground beef, car repairs, insurance, this sort of thing are up markedly this year. And they talk to a variety of people at a variety salary levels around the country, but they're all saying the same thing.

[Getty]

If most of us are working for roughly the same amount of money as we were in 2020, we took a 25% pay cut, essentially.

[Armstrong]

Yeah. Wow. And they, they point out that Walmart stock is doing great and sales target is getting murdered because people are saying, where's the cheap place? It's Walmart. Right. Let's go to Walmart. Overwhelmingly. And they cite a number of different businesses from Wingstop to a couple other places that are saying, yeah, middle income diners are now doing what lower income ones did. They're dialing back their purchases. They're ordering the cheaper stuff. Our high end stuff is not moving. It's really interesting, but I thought that's worth pointing out. The way inflation works, it never comes down. I mean deflation is a very dangerous thing. It could cause terrible problems in an economy. Look it up. If you don't know about it, but people are dealing with 25% higher prices than they were five years ago, having seen very little change in their wages. It's brutal.

[Getty]

Yep.

[Armstrong]

And you know, just politically speaking, you gotta be sensitive to that.

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And since you can't actually bring prices down.

[Armstrong]

You can bring some down.

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The only thing you can really talk about is somehow raising wages.

[Armstrong]

Right. Oh, that reminds me, maybe hour four of the show. Great piece about inflation. What it is and what it is not, because we've got it a little bit backwards. That rise in prices is not inflation per se, it's the result of inflation. We'll explain in our four. You will be smarter than all of your friends and family if you join us for hour four. If you can't get our four Grab it via podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand.

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Subscribe at the Thanksgiving table. If somebody brings up inflation, you can say, you know, actually you're wrong, Uncle Ed. And then starting with your, you know.

[Armstrong]

I might suggest, you know, there's more to it, Uncle Ed. Why would you be so confrontational?

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And you're wrong.

[Armstrong]

Hey, when you're done talking jackass, I got. I like to drop a truth bowl of gravy in front of your plate. All right, no, no need to be like that.

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Yeah, pass me the cranberries. I'll pass you some common sense. Here's how inflation works.

[Armstrong]

Jab your turkey leg at him.

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I got something for you. Here's a couple of Epstein things for you. Larry Summers and his wife flew on Epstein's plane to Petto island for their honeymoon. The same wife that he would eventually, I don't know if he ever cheated on her, if he ever was successful. He was trying to cheat on her with that graduate student. With Epstein's advice, I've got to quibble.

[Armstrong]

Just a little bit over the characterization of Pedo Island. No question that sort of thing happened there. Sex with underage people getting into the what is pedophilia Question. But it wasn't all the time. The guy had like a super cool vacation pad. Sometimes it was just a party, sometimes it was just chilling out. Sometimes it was pervin.

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Yeah, I assume Larry Summers and his brand new bride, having just gotten married in Cambridge, they flew on Epstein's plane to the island and hung out there. Now this is 2005. This is before his conviction. So I'm sure everybody knew Epstein was living a pretty wild life and on the very edge of what was appropriate and what wasn't. But he hadn't been convicted of anything at that point. But I just thought that was kind of interesting. Megan Kelly brought this up the other day and I agree with her and she got killed for saying it. I feel like we need a word for people who are into children and people who are into, you know, almost 18 year old teenagers. They're different things. They're crimes, but they're different things.

[Armstrong]

They're different crimes too. Ludin. Lascivious with a child under 14 is a different crime. It's the question of do you. Are you sexually attracted to children who are pre sexual?

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Right.

[Armstrong]

In, in most ways. Or are you. I mean it's, it's a different thing. A 17 year old girl can get pregnant quite readily and, and anthropologically speaking, that's like the perfect Time to have a child when you're young and strong, et cetera. Societally, it's not the way we operate. I'm not suggesting it, but yeah, it's a very different crime. A 7 year old and a 17 year old is a completely different situation. Yeah.

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And then see the point she was trying to make and there's two sides of the 17 year old thing. There's the, okay, so now she just turned 18 and you're perfectly fine. Nothing, nothing different than yesterday when you're a pedophile. And that seems kind of crazy. True. On the other hand, have some self control, you weirdo. Since there's really no difference between her yesterday and tomorrow, if today's her birthday, wait till they're 18, you freaking creeps.

[Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, there's, there's that forbidden fruit.

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Yeah, there's something weird.

[Armstrong]

Really young. Yes, it is a crime and it is a sickness.

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It should be. And I. If I had a daughter. If you had sex with her and she's 17, I'm shooting you. And if you have sex when she's with her when she's five, I'm definitely shooting you either way. But they're different things.

[Armstrong]

Yeah.

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And I don't, so I don't call the whole he's a pedophile thing. I just don't think that works.

[Armstrong]

And now people are ripping Megyn Kelly for saying that, saying I was a victim and blah, blah, blah. No, it's, it's not, we're not saying it's fine. But that's.

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As I pointed out, I'd shoot you either way.

[Armstrong]

There you go. But one of them end up with a bullet hole.

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To me, to me, one of them is like you just have, you're, you're a weirdo with bad judgment. The other one is your brain does not work at all. You should be locked away from society forever.

[Armstrong]

Ding.

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Anywho, what's the. I think 15 is the youngest I've heard of. Which is just sick and twisted and awful.

[Armstrong]

But yeah, we got at least one email that was talking about how the age of consent is 16 in a bunch of states.

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That's true. That's a good point right there.

[Armstrong]

And you know the line you talk about gray areas, the line between wooing somebody and grooming them and manipulating them if they are of the age of consent. It's, it's a fine line. I mean, I know it when I see it, but.

[Getty]

There are going to be a whole bunch of well known names having to explain themselves here in the next couple of weeks as soon as all these documents come out. And they may not have done anything illegal ever at any point, but they're gonna be out there explaining to journalists on camera why they wrote on the plane here or said this or sent this email or whatever, just like Larry Summers did the other day. And he didn't commit any crime?

[Armstrong]

No, no.

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And that's going to be exciting.

[Armstrong]

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Oh, we're still on the air. We're done. Wow.

[Armstrong]

I need you to focus. I'm already half on vacation.

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Got one foot out the door.

[Armstrong]

Department of Health and Human Services put out their big gender care review of the science and said there is no science to support this gender bending madness, especially for kids. The pro gender bending madness crowd had no substantive criticisms. They couldn't come up with anything to refute the new report. We are going. Well, I already am. We are soon all of us going to look back on that period of mutilating and pumping kids through permanent changing chemicals because they were momentarily confused about their gender or there was a social contagion of gender bending menace. And we're going to think, how in the name of God did we let something so terrible happen?

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One of the craziest things that's ever happened.

[Armstrong]

I would agree.

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Yeah, absolutely. So I'm following. Following this story today. President Zelensky has just spoken with the leaders of France, UK and Germany about this proposal that Trump has given Zelinsky Take it by Thanksgiving or we cut off aid is the deal. And it's like all favorable to Russia, nothing favorable to Ukraine other than the war ending. But you have to give a plan. You have to cut your army in half. You get no foreign troops on your on on your ground. Russia gets to get back on, you know, and the good graces of the the economy around the world and everything like that, so they become an even bigger threat in the future. It's just a horrible deal, but I.

[Armstrong]

Don'T know what other does he mean it or is he going to forget about it in two days?

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Trump I think this is pretty serious. He's had the Secretary of the army over there working on it and I think it's pretty serious. Oof. I don't know what I'd do if I was Zelensky. Anyway, lots of news to follow. Stay here.

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[Armstrong]

Now, certainly I'm in favor of committed monogamous relationships, but the whole sex and fried chicken thing, I'm not ready to condemn it.

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Got to admit, between. In a loving couple as opposed to a prostitute. Yes, that would be a pretty good afternoon. Got some beer, got the sex, got my fried chicken. Driving around the city, enjoying the view, the simultaneous thing.

[Armstrong]

I think you'd have to try that. It sounds like. How do you focus on the deliciousness of the chicken or indeed the, you know, the manly duties that.

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Yeah, there's obviously lots of words I can't say on the air, but the description by Miles Davis of the noises and the lip smacking and it's just.

[Armstrong]

It's just gross.

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He thought he was going to throw up.

[Armstrong]

Wow. You remember I was. I was in that incredibly crowded city bus going away from a 49ers playoff game after it rained like crazy and it was an overtime game. Everybody left at once and we were packed in like a Tokyo subway car. And this hammered couple next to me was just making out like crazy and it was so off putting.

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I love love, but I don't need.

[Armstrong]

You loving each other six inches from my ear.

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And imagine if they've been eating fried chicken at the same time.

[Armstrong]

We would overlook it. Coming up, gender bending madness, major scientific update and semi related, an email we just got. Joe Getty saved my life. And I'm not reading this out of self aggrandizement. It's really pretty interesting. And it's again, tangentially related.

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Trying to guess how that happened. Like you didn't physically give CPR to someone. This is.

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