You Hang Up. No, You Hang Up.

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "You Hang Up. No, You Hang Up."

Date: April 30, 2026
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty

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Overview

In this episode, Armstrong & Getty dive into an array of current events and news stories with their trademark offbeat humor and incisive commentary. The discussion ranges from Middle East geopolitics, the cost of living, and domestic political maneuvering to lighter debates about the nature of sandwiches and the dangers of TikTok challenges. Central to the episode is a thoughtful and somewhat somber reflection on the recent failed assassination attempt on President Trump, a sign Armstrong & Getty see as evidence that America is entering a new and dangerous era of political violence. The hosts also touch on broader themes of media sensationalism, persuasion versus polarization in politics, and the existential anxieties facing the country.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Middle East Shifts & The "New" Unrest

[03:46 - 05:13]

• Changing Alliances: Jack frames one possible show title as “SCOTUS says no Racism. Democrats are outraged or Live and Let Die,” referencing the Saudis’ new approach to foreign policy, with the UAE leaving OPEC and drawing closer to Israel.

  • "[The UAE] leaving OPEC and saying Israel’s our buddy... I think that might be changing." – Jack Armstrong [03:46]

• Joe notes that Saudi Arabia’s problems go deeper than golf or economics, pointing out that neighboring allies are now “turning against them.”

  • “MBS’s biggest problem is...MBZ has turned against him, apparently.” – Joe Getty [04:18]

• Unprecedented military collaboration: Israel is providing Iron Dome defense tech to UAE, which both hosts call "unbelievable" given Middle East history.

2. Trump, Putin, and War Drums with Iran & Ukraine

[05:13 - 07:09]

• Trump spoke to Putin for 90 minutes, with the Russian president suggesting a negotiated end to the war (presumably in Iran) and warning against U.S. troops in the region. Trump, in return, suggested to Putin:

  • "Why don’t you end the war against Ukraine first?" – Reported paraphrase [05:00]

• Axios reports Trump is being briefed on potential military action in Iran, indicating renewed willingness to use force. Jack and Joe both note this could be either genuine or strategic info-leaking.

3. Oil Prices, Inflation, & Clickbait Media

[07:09 - 09:23]

• Jack does the math: While oil prices hit "record highs" in the headlines, once adjusted for inflation, they're not actually at historic peaks—and neither are gas prices.

• Media is slammed for not adjusting figures for inflation and chasing clicks:

  • "I just got a text from the mainstream media. They say, tell Jack we don’t give a crap about accuracy. It’s clickbait, clickbait, clickbait." – Jack Armstrong (sarcastic bit) [07:58]

• This morphs into a bigger riff on how much media, advocacy groups, and political organizations exaggerate threats to keep followers engaged—"the politics of fear pays like crazy."

4. Cost of Living Anecdotes

[09:01 - 09:23]

• Joe laments, "Our bill for Panda Express is what it used to cost to eat at a nice restaurant." [09:17]
• This sparks reflection on inflation’s real-world impact and frustration at how normalized high prices have become.

5. Political Communication: Pete Hegseth’s Congressional Testimony

[09:23 - 10:55]

• Discussion of Pete Hegseth’s aggressive posture in recent congressional testimony about the unpopular war, delivering what Jack calls a “very Trumpian” approach—playing to the base, not persuasion.
  • "You earned points for being a hard ass, and Trump probably liked it...But you did nothing to help the American people understand how vital this mission is." – Jack Armstrong [10:32]

6. Gerrymandering & The Individual Congressman Quip

[11:02 - 11:08]

• Jack jokes about Joe having his "own congressman," as a dig at extreme gerrymandering.

7. On-The-Ground News: Shooting Update & Reflections on AOC

[13:03 - 13:29]

• Quick update on the recent attempted shooting at a political event, underscoring how random factors (the shooter falling) caused the attack to fail.
• Jack, segues into humor about Congress, referencing AOC:
  • "The fact that she’s a bartender doesn’t disqualify her. The fact that she’s a dope does. Very charismatic dope though, if you’re a young lefty. I’ll give her that." – Jack Armstrong [13:29]

8. AI Chatbots: Humor & Exasperation

[14:06 - 14:53]

• Jack and Joe riff on their arguments with AI chatbots, poking fun at their apologetic, but sometimes useless, responses.

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Headlines, Oddball Debates & Lighter Moments

9. The Sandwich Debate

[18:34 - 19:26]

• Is a hot dog a sandwich? The hosts engage in a lighthearted, logical (and illogical) debate, culminating in:
  • "If I brought back a hot dog or taco and said, ‘Here’s your sandwich,’ nobody would do that." – Joe Getty [19:11]
  • "It’s a classification issue. All pandas are mammals, not all mammals are pandas." – Jack Armstrong [19:26]

10. Katie’s News Headlines Rapid-Fire Recap

[19:43 - 23:02]

• Major Stories

  • Middle East: IRGC and the Straits of Hormuz dominating oil headlines.
  • US Economy: 2% growth—which Joe mocks as a low bar for excitement.
  • AI Trial: Elon Musk calls himself a “fool” for trusting Sam Altman (OpenAI).
  • Epstein Files: Pam Bondi to testify before Congress.
  • Benadryl Challenge: Dangerous TikTok trend killing and hospitalizing teens.
    • "That is two things. Number one, straight out of Darwin’s rubric, and number two, the Chinese Communist Party still controls TikTok in a significant way. They’re encouraging our youth to poison ourselves." – Jack Armstrong [21:59]
  • Chick-fil-A Mac and Cheese Scam: $80,000 refund scheme.
  • Lake Monster Goldfish: Pet goldfish becoming invasive species.
  • Babylon Bee Satire: Trump gives King Charles a toothbrush—"That’s bigotry." (satirical, tongue-in-cheek)

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Deep Dive: The Trump Assassination Attempt and Era of Violence

[27:07 - 40:30]

11. Latest Details on the Attempted Shooting

[27:07 - 32:28]

• The shooter, Cole Thomas Allen, planned extensively and got within feet of Trump. The Secret Service said its plan “worked,” but prosecutors argue the plan was saved only by “extraordinary good fortune and the gunman falling to the ground.”

  • "If you did this a thousand times, 999 times, you end up full of bullets." – Joe Getty [28:16]

• The shooter’s bizarre calmness before his attack is dissected:

  • "His writings are very sane and reasonable, I think." – Joe Getty [28:18]

• Analysis suggests that if the attacker had more experience, or there had been multiple attackers, the outcome would have been catastrophic:

  • "Most of my military friends are saying, if you had a team of three or four gunmen, we would have absolutely gotten to Trump." – Joe Getty [31:31]

• Jack: "It just stinks of lax security, lack of the perception of a threat." [32:28]

12. What This All Means: America’s New Normal

[33:07 - 40:30]

• The hosts reflect on the fragility of American political life, referencing both historical and recent events.

• Douglas Murray and Caitlin Flanagan are referenced for their perspectives on “young, online radicalized men” and the era of political violence:

  • "There are different kinds of revolutionaries...And that’s what we’ve been talking about with these young, online radicalized men...they’re desperate to attach themselves to a cause...and they don’t particularly care what the cause is." – Jack Armstrong referencing Douglas Murray [35:12]

• Caitlin Flanagan’s words resonate:

  • "That’s when I realized...that political violence is truly back, that an attempt to assassinate the American president was...within the realm...of the unremarkable." – Joe Getty, reading Caitlin Flanagan [36:35]
  • "Pray for the United States...this is not going to end well, people." – Jack Armstrong [38:34]

• The hosts agree that mass desensitization is taking place, and another major assassination attempt is not only possible but likely soon.

  • "There’s gonna be another major assassination in weeks, months, or very soon. It’s just too much of this floating around right now." – Joe Getty [40:10]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "That's right. You hang up. No, you hang up." – Jack & Joe joke about Trump and Putin’s long call [05:22]
• "Every threat they cite is wildly exaggerated. But the politics of fear pays like crazy." – Jack Armstrong [08:14]
• "Panda Express out of little cardboard boxes. It's just ridiculous." – Joe Getty [09:23]
• "You can't call a 60 day war a quagmire. You just can't. It is absurd. Yeah, is absolutely absurd." – Jack Armstrong [11:38]
• "If we can bring happiness to your soul during these troubled times, in whatever fashion...we're happy to do it." – Jack Armstrong [46:47]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:46 – Middle East: Saudi, UAE, Israel, and Live Golf Tour
• 05:22 – Trump-Putin phone call and Iran-Ukraine standoff
• 07:09 – Inflation, oil prices, and media clickbait
• 09:23 – Pete Hegseth’s testimony and political communication
• 13:03 – Congressional shooting update; thoughts on AOC
• 18:34 – Hot dog vs. sandwich debate
• 19:43 – Katie Green’s news headlines
• 21:41 – TikTok Benadryl Challenge (Darwinism & TikTok’s dangers)
• 27:07 – Details on Trump assassination attempt
• 33:07 – What increased violence means for America’s future
• 36:35 – Caitlin Flanagan’s “Pray for America” reflection
• 40:10 – Prediction of more political violence

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Tone & Style

The tone oscillates between punchy, irreverent humor and sobering analysis, rich with playful banter (“delicious Mexican sandwich, the taco”) and spontaneous riffs, but also increasingly dark as they reflect on American instability and the normalization of political violence. Throughout, the original language and flavor of Armstrong & Getty are preserved, making the summary both informative and engaging.

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Takeaway

This episode is an Armstrong & Getty classic: part news round-up, part social critique, part comedy, and part existential hand-wringing about America’s immediate future. With every clickbait headline, botched security plan, and viral TikTok disaster, the show finds both humor and disquiet—the only antidote, perhaps, being to stay alert, stay skeptical, and maybe, as Flanagan urges, “pray for America.”

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Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here,

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Welcome to Little Friday.

[Joe Getty]

Deep within the bowels, the Armstrong Getty Communications compound. Today we're toiling under the title of

[Jack Armstrong]

the show, SCOTUS says no Racism. Democrats are outraged or Live and let die. That would be a reference to the Saudi backed live golf tour, which I, as a big golf fan and hardly care about at all. But I think MBS's new approach to Saudi Arabia's future is significant and really interesting, especially in the wake of the UAE leaving OPEC and saying Israel's our buddy. Okay, I'm saying it out loud. Israel's our body.

[Joe Getty]

I don't think MBS's biggest problem is what happens on the golf course. It's the. That is good friend and mentor and benefactor. MBZ has turned against him, apparently. So we can talk more about that later.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've been saying practically since we began this show many decades ago that I'd been hearing unrest in the Middle east since I was a little kid and I'll be hearing it on my deathbed and it'll be the same unrest taking the same shape. I think that might be changing.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I know. Isn't that something? Israel is giving some of their Iron Dome stuff to the uae, which is just an unbelievable development by the history of the Middle east standards to give a bunch of Arabs your best technology.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, the very, very liberalized and reasonable uae. So interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Anyway, lots to talk about today. I was just reading some Iran stuff. You know, Trump was on the phone with Putin for 90 minutes yesterday. That's a long time.

[Jack Armstrong]

You hang up. No, you hang up.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, wow. Joe Getty's going with the romance.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's right.

[Joe Getty]

Sea holster conversation.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh.

[Joe Getty]

Oh my.

[Jack Armstrong]

I hadn't thought of that awful term in. In many moons. Oh, boy. That. Who, who said that?

[Joe Getty]

Colbert. Colbert.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, then Trump is Putin's seahole. Stop. Don't even say that.

[Joe Getty]

So they were on the phone for 90 minutes and I haven't heard a lot of reporting about what they talked about, but Putin offered to negotiate an end to the war with Iran and take the uranium. And Trump said, why don't you end the war against Ukraine first? And Putin also said US putting troops on the ground is unacceptable. So that's kind of interesting, given the news today. Axios.

[Jack Armstrong]

Shut up, Vladimir. That would be my response. No, I don't care what you think.

[Joe Getty]

Axios is reporting that Trump is slated to receive a briefing today on new plans for military action on Iran. The briefing signals that Trump is seriously considering resuming major combat operations to break the logjam in the negotiations to take part of the Strait of Hormuz and possibly put troops on the ground. So I don't know if Putin. Putin got wind of that or what, but at least according to Axios and some other reporting, Trump is completely ready to go back to kinetic action. So that'll be, that'll be exciting.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that could be a legit leak or it could be, you know, an intentional leak. Hard to say. Yeah, send a message to the irgc.

[Joe Getty]

Could be. What Got more on that later. One to mention the. One of the big stories that gets so much attention is US Gas prices have hit a new record. Oil hit a new high, four year high overnight. I just, I did the like 10 seconds worth of work that nobody seems to want to do on these stories. Adjusting for inflation and oil was still more expensive four years ago. It was more expensive 2008 during the financial crisis. It was more expensive in 2011 or several times in recent memory where oil is more expensive than it was overnight if you adjust for inflation. But nobody adjusts for inflation because it's more fun to say that the movie this weekend is the all time box office leader.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sure.

[Joe Getty]

Ignoring the fact that. Yeah, it's not.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, this is weird. I just got a text from the mainstream media. They say, tell Jack we don't give a crap about accuracy. It's clickbait, clickbait, clickbait. Okay, there you go. There's your explanation. So mystery solved.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, fantastic.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, read a great piece speaking of that sort of thing, on how every progressive cause based organization like the SPLC and indeed the Democratic Party and the Republicans do this, too, just in different ways. But the SPLC case is so great in that it's exposed the fact that they must continue in you to sell you on the terrible threat and the fact that they're the only ones that can save you from it. And virtually every threat they cite, whether they're coming for your abortion rights, or they're going to break up gay couples and put them in prison, or there are Klansmen around every corner, every single, single one of them is wildly exaggerated. But the politics of fear pays like crazy.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. And I understand the reaction to high prices, no doubt. Everything. I still continue to be shocked. Where did I eat with my kids? Someplace normal. Oh, Panda Express. Our bill for Panda Express is what it used to cost to eat at a nice restaurant.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's just.

[Joe Getty]

What are you talking about?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, like tablecloths and candles. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Pan Express out of little cardboard boxes. It's just ridiculous. What did you think? We're gonna play a little Pete Hegseth earlier. He was under questioning from the House yesterday. He's the Secretary of War. First time he's gone before Congress since the war began. He's gonna be in front of the Senate today. I really did not like his super aggressive attitude given the fact that the war's so unpopular. It just seems like a bad idea to come in there so hot when 3/4 of the country's against the war.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's a very Trumpian preaching to the choir and bringing nobody with you approach that. Well, I understand that geared it back 25%.

[Joe Getty]

I get that. But it's not your normal, you know, the crowd that's with us and the crowd that's against us. And it's about 50, 50 sort of issue. Like a lot of Trump things are. It's not even close. Like all. All, all people on the left and practically all independents are against this war. And I think it would have done, once again, a lot of good for him to spend a fair amount of time on why it's so important and, you know, say, that's a good question. Here's why I think you. You. You should support the war as opposed to just yell at them and call them, you know, unpatriotic and that sort of thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right. Yeah, well, that was precisely my point. My. My bitch about it. My gripe about it is that it's ineffective. And this is very, very important. Okay? You earned points for being a hard ass, and Trump probably liked it. I don't know. But you did nothing to help the American people. Understand how vital this mission is. It just annoys the hell out of me.

[Joe Getty]

Well, we can play you a little bit in our opening clip, which actually is my own personal congressman and I think it was a dumb question. I'm Jack Armstrong.

[Jack Armstrong]

You have your own congressman.

[Joe Getty]

What the hell kind of a district is that?

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm glad the Skoda stepped in with the gerrymandering thing.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's what they've done. They've gone down to individual people, the Democrat that represents the town I live in and then a bunch of other wiggly lines to try to get as many people as you can because it's a gerrymandered state like most of them are. I'm Jack Armstrong, he's Joe Getty on this. It is Thursday, April 30, the year 2026, where Armstrong and Gideon, we approve of this program. Here we go.

[Jack Armstrong]

Officially. Now, according to FCC rules and regs, here comes the show at Mark. Don't say I support the troops on one hand and then a two month

[Joe Getty]

mission is a quagmire.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a false equivalent. Who you cheering for here? Who you pulling for?

[Joe Getty]

The question was, how are you going to get us out of this quagmire from the ancient Congressman Garamendi And Pete, I think that was, I don't know that you needed to yell at him because again, you're, you're. Three quarters of the country is against this war, so probably ought to try to bring people along. But yeah, you can't call a 60 day war a quagmire. You just can't. It is absurd. Yeah, is absolutely absurd.

[Jack Armstrong]

Pete opened up with everything is clickbait. The question was clickbait and the answer was clickbait.

[Joe Getty]

We'll have to play the clip later. Pete opened up with something like the. The biggest enemy we've got are the Democrats in Congress and the Republicans who are against this war. Yeah, see, I just. I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

I just. Most people don't know why we went to war because they weren't paying attention and they're against it and just, you know, you gotta be a salesman.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think we need to somehow revive Adams and Jefferson and perhaps Ben Franklin, I don't know. And remind everybody how this thing works. Look, you believe these things. You believe these things. Now look at that big overlap in the middle. Look at that big old overlap. That's what we pass around here.

[Joe Getty]

So we could do a decent update on the shooter from Saturday night. Washington Post had a good rundown. Of what we all think the facts are now. And man, he got way too close to that door and he fell down is why he stopped. That's. That's what happened there. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sorry I started giggling in the middle of that. Not because I find the shooting amusing, but I was reminded of something AOC said the day that was very funny.

[Joe Getty]

Cool.

[Jack Armstrong]

She is an ignoramus. I was thinking about how the founding fathers would react to the current congress with no nothings. Purple haired old hags and busty bartender dip S's. And the fact that she's a bartender doesn't disqualify her. The fact that she's a dope does. Very charismatic dope though, if you're a young lefty. I'll give her that.

[Joe Getty]

So yeah, so we'll get into all the news of the day. We've got to. And then we got a bunch of stuff that's not near as serious to look forward to.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know what I have prepared for for y'? All? Wisdom, understanding, ideas, thoughts and ideas.

[Joe Getty]

I actually got so mad at one of my chat bots yesterday, it apologized to me. I sent that was very honorable. I sent to that to the group text last night because I thought it was so funny.

[Jack Armstrong]

Did you go to bed angry?

[Joe Getty]

Thought as long as we don't go to bed angry, you and me and you Perplex. Plexity. Whoever owns Perplexity. Who's Perplexity's outfit?

[Jack Armstrong]

I can never find that one.

[Joe Getty]

Anywho, I'll have to go through that

[Jack Armstrong]

because it's just hilarious. Oh, and I had.

[Joe Getty]

I had a conversation with the Grok lady in my car while I was driving around and she said one of the funniest things coming out of a chat bot. Just.

[Jack Armstrong]

Were you gossiping about Perplexity? Like turning to her her for a comfort?

[Joe Getty]

Well, I was mocking her for attempting to sound like a human being and what she said was really, really funny.

[Jack Armstrong]

No wonder you get in fights with the chat box. You're mocking them.

[Joe Getty]

You're taunting them. Anyway, we' Katie's headlines on the way. Stay here.

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[Joe Getty]

So we're having the conversation in the newsroom. Is a hot dog a sandwich? Always a good one? You know, I can engage in that all day long or as a taco. A sandwich, I love those.

[Jack Armstrong]

The delicious Mexican sandwich, the taco.

[Joe Getty]

I'm always on tv. It's team, it's not a sandwich. But others disagree, including some courts.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'd hate to get into a screaming match like you and Claude last night. Maybe we should just drop it. It's one of those sore points you just, you just drop.

[Katie Green]

I don't know if you heard someone say, you know, if somebody threw a hot dog at someone, you wouldn't say they threw a sandwich. You'd say they threw a hot dog.

[Joe Getty]

The easy test for both the taco and the hot dog or this can I make you a sandwich? And if I brought back a hot dog or a taco, you would not, not react to that, right? Say thanks for the sandwich. Nobody would do that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Both wrong.

[Joe Getty]

Nobody would react like, thanks for the sandwich.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it's a classification issue. It's, you know, all, all pandas are mammals, but not all mammals are pandas. It's, you just don't understand.

[Joe Getty]

God, I can't imagine living in your world.

[Jack Armstrong]

Let's figure out who's reporting what. It's lead story with Katie Green. Katie.

[Katie Green]

Alrighty. Alphabet Network's first NBC Iran's supreme leader vows to protect nuclear capabilities as prices Soar to a four year high.

[Jack Armstrong]

ABC it's funny because the IRGC's out saying, yeah, it's all about the Straits of Hormuz now. That's our ticket. That's our deterrence.

[Joe Getty]

The supreme leader said.

[Jack Armstrong]

According to who?

[Joe Getty]

He didn't say anything. He didn't say anything.

[Katie Green]

According to NBC, apparently they have insider information.

[Joe Getty]

If he said anything, it was gurgle, gurgle, gurgle. If he's awake at all and gave prices oil prices. Didn't, did not hit a four year high if you adjusted for inflation. It's just not true. But go ahead anyway.

[Katie Green]

Let's, let's skip to the Wall Street Journal. U.S. economy grew at a 2% rate in the first quarter.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I feel like they're making positive noises around that. Is that what we get excited about now? 2% growth? Ooh, we have low expectations.

[Katie Green]

New York Post Elon Musk testifies that he was a, quote, fool to invest with disingenuous AI Open Air CEO Sam Altman in bombshell trial.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, we got to check in yesterday's testimony.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I read a transcript of Elon being cross examined by one of the attorneys and it's an absolute master class in don't try to BS a bsr. Elon was not having it. And fence the guy, you know, skillfully.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, really?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Super.

[Joe Getty]

I want to hear that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Katie Green]

Trying so hard with this from the Washington Post Committee says Pam Bondi has agreed to testify before Congress on the Epstein files.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, my God.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, boy.

[Joe Getty]

They're gonna bring in the former attorney general about the Epstein files. Oh, that'll be an S show.

[Jack Armstrong]

Shameless con man Ro Khanna behind the scenes saying to somebody, do you think we can milk this thing for, I don't know, another couple of days? Let's try.

[Katie Green]

From the Daily Mail. Horrifying Benadryl challenge kills one and hospitalizes dozens.

[Joe Getty]

What's the Benadryl challenge?

[Katie Green]

So this is going around. It went around a couple of years ago and apparently it's picking back up. It's on TikTok and it instructs participants to film themselves consuming large amounts of Benadryl and then documenting the hallucinating that apparently takes place afterwards.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, boy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Boy. That is two things. It's number one, straight out of Darwin's rubric. And number two, the Chinese Communist Party still controls TikTok in a significant way. They're encouraging our youth to poison ourselves. And Trump's letting it happen because he raised money on TikTok or something.

[Katie Green]

USA Today Ex chick fil a worker accused of $80,000 Mac and cheese refund scheme.

[Joe Getty]

Yes, we need to get into this. This is pretty clever. This is pretty clever. He took the refund policy around the macaroni and cheese and made $80,000. Stay tuned.

[Jack Armstrong]

One of the few Mac and cheese related crimes I've heard about recently

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[Katie Green]

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[Joe Getty]

Are they?

[Jack Armstrong]

All right.

[Katie Green]

Well, apparently goldfish grow according to their

[Joe Getty]

environment yeah, all fish do, I think carp.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And they become enormous and eat all the resources the native fish need.

[Joe Getty]

What is it happening? A lot, apparently. It's everywhere.

[Katie Green]

It's a disaster.

[Jack Armstrong]

Mac and cheese in the lake and carp are growing to an enormous size.

[Katie Green]

And finally, this one from the Babylon Bee, Trump presents King Charles with the gift.

[Jack Armstrong]

A toothbrush. Oh, wow. Oh, see, that's just. That's terrible. That's bigotry.

[Joe Getty]

Well, while I will not budge on my not caring about the Royal Family, it was pretty brave of King Charles, given the poll numbers about attitudes about America, and particularly in Great Britain, attitudes about Trump, for him to come over and be as friendly and Trump supportive and supportive of, you know, no nuclear weapons for Iran and that sort of stuff. You know, there was a lot of political capital he spent on that and

[Jack Armstrong]

just saying to both sides, look, we're friends, we've had differences, but we're friends.

[Joe Getty]

He didn't have to do that, and he did that.

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[Joe Getty]

in his hotel room, authorities found more

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[Jack Armstrong]

They argue Allen planned extensively for this

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[Joe Getty]

Well, it worked by luck, which we're gonna read from the latest from the prosecutors from the court case yesterday. But this shooter dude is the weirdest combination of very sane and completely nuts that I think I've ever heard of. Or if not nuts, just I don't even know what he is. But those pictures that came out yesterday of the selfies he took completely as calm as could be. It's like he was taking selfies of of he was just attending the dinner, going to the White House correspondence dinner. Can't wait to get down There with a very calm kind of smile on his face. You know, I'm gonna go down, I'll let you know how it was. Not that he was about to rush a bunch of men with guns. And like I said yesterday, if you did this a thousand times, 999 times, you end up full of bullets. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

How could you be that calm about

[Joe Getty]

you're just about to be torn apart by bullets. That's a nutso view of the world. Yet all of his comments and writings are very sane and reasonable, I think.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I think a couple of things. Number one, it's that same sort of childish lack of understanding what death is that leads, you know, school shooters to think, after I do this, people will know what made me mad and I'll be happy not understanding that. No, you'll be nothing, you'll be gone. And secondly, it was pointed out that this guy's very much like the useless Luigi Mangione. Bright, well educated, but kind of a failure. An underachiever, living with his parents very online and wanted to do something big to show that he wasn't a loser.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I can't imagine being that calm about being shot to death. But I don't live in his head. This was interesting yesterday. So this is from courtroom testimony. Washington Post had a big piece about how the, the, that whole couple of minutes went down. Now that we have the details. According to a detailed accounting filed yesterday by federal prosecutors in the criminal case against the suspect Cole Thomas Allen, the performance of the nation's preeminent protection agency was marred by inattentiveness and misfires and is saved by, quote, extraordinary good fortune. And the gunman falling to the ground on his own. The defendant, armed with a 12 gauge shotgun, a 38 caliber pistol, two knives, four daggers and enough ammunition to take dozens of lives. Imagine trying to sprint with all that on you. He couldn't, turns out. Was apprehended by secret service officers mere feet away from the ballroom where his primary target was located, along with other members of the cabinet. Contradicting a prior claim by acting Attorney General Blanche that officers had promptly tackled and detained Allen. Prosecutors wrote that the 31 year old tutor from Torrance simply fell to the ground after blowing past a team of agents just two open flights, short open flights of stairs from the ballroom. And you've probably seen on cbs they've been interviewing this woman for a couple of days now. She was there when he fell down. He fell like at her feet. She just happened to be standing there in the hallway. He just like I said yesterday, I think we've all done this before. Maybe when you're a kid or whatever, like you get to running too fast and you just can't keep up with yourself and you go down that, that's

[Jack Armstrong]

especially if you're, you're carrying weight.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, it sounds like that's what happened. I, I can't imagine that if he hadn't stumbled that he wouldn't have gone around that little corner and then he's there, the open doors, that whole room. I'll read on from the Washington Post piece. They wrote that one officer fired at Allen five times but never hit him. Such a gathering could have been targeted by foreign adversaries or others with far more experience, less regard for human life and much greater firepower than Allen. Experts said. And then they quote a couple of people with military experience. Most of my military friends are all saying the same thing. If you had a team of three or four gunmen, we would have absolutely gotten to Trump. If they had just come in in a team of three or four who were coordinated and trained, we would have absolutely penetrated the ballroom and it would have been a full on gunfight. It's hard to imagine that that's not true.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, that rings very true.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's, that's troubling. One thing I, I heard somebody talking about security. I'd ask my brother about this. He used to do it, he did security in Iraq right after the war started. They usually have it like Ls and I don't know why you wouldn't have had the magnetometer turned to the side so that the line, you know, comes toward the direction he was running. But you got to turn and go through. So there's no way you could full on sprint through the thing. You'd have had to turn a corner to go through the thing, then another corner to go the rest of the line. I just think that would be normal procedure. I'm sure there's a reason why you don't, because I'm no expert in this, but that the straight line thing where he could just come flying down that hallway and go through there the way he did. There's gotta be a better way.

[Jack Armstrong]

It just stinks of lax security, lack of the perception of a threat. I'm struck by the fact that the prosecutors, because they need to show that this was a serious threat to the life of the President, are not going to accept the secret Services perhaps glossed over somewhat shined up description of how they responded, etc. Strikes me that says the way our government's supposed to work checks and balances. I can't independently say which is closer to the truth, but like I said, the prosecutor's description rings pretty true.

[Joe Getty]

Well, at the end of the day, I suppose the reality is for everybody is that it's harder to stop an assassination than you think. I mean, like, like making sure it can't happen. But. So we had this numb nuts get within a couple of feet. You had the numb nuts who just climbed up on the building there at the fairgrounds and just missed. You know, you got the guy at the golf course who, thank God somebody saw the rifle sticking out. But what if you end up with military trained couple of dudes who know what they do or they're doing instead of numb nuts in these situations?

[Jack Armstrong]

In those specific situations, the President would be dead.

[Joe Getty]

That's what I think.

[Jack Armstrong]

Overwhelmingly odd. Likely.

[Joe Getty]

Like if you'd have had two guys in Butler, Pennsylvania, with one guy willing to fire off shots and draw all the attention or something, create a distraction, whatever it is, and then the other guy, trained marksman, shoot Trump in the head. Or this one we just heard about the, you know, a platoon of three guys who know what they're doing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, given the fact that it was merely the fact that Trump turned to illustrate a point on a screen that kept a numb skull from killing him. Well, yeah, clearly. I, you know, I think it's to Trump's credit in a way that he does not cocoon himself. He plays golf, he goes to a large gathering where I don't know how they rate the security. You'd think it'd be like the rainbow of doom or what. What's the level of security at this event? One through five. Five being, you know, you know, complete lockdown.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, there's a name for that. I heard it the other day.

[Jack Armstrong]

Two or three, the President doesn't go to it. Again, maybe it's to Trump's credit that he does those things, but I'm surprised.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, well, it's kind of what I was talking about the other day of Eisenhower's big concern that we would become Fortress America and just all our officials locked down like that. All, all, everything locked down all the time. We could make everything incredibly safe, but it would, it would take away a lot of freedom and a lot of access. So do you have any more on the shooter before I get to the analysis? Okay, go ahead.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, the analysis of where we are

[Joe Getty]

in America right now.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, oh, oh, okay, great. Yeah, yeah, Doug Murray wrote a piece. Douglas Murray. We're very close. So I call him Doug. He was. He pointed out the other day that there are different kinds of revolutionaries, and some have a clear plan for how to reorganize society. It's usually stupid and wouldn't work. Some just want to watch the world burn, and others are just desperate for a cause. And that's what we've been talking about with these young, online radicalized men who might have been, like, with the cause for a month and a half. They just knew they wanted to do something big and hurt somebody, and they were looking for the right hook. And he. He mentions the novel I've ever heard of, but about a young man who cares more about dying on a barricade than about what the barricade stands for. And Douglas Murray says today, many young people in the west are like that, man. They're desperate to attach themselves to a cause, and they don't particularly care what the cause is. And after the atrocities of October 7, a lot of people latched on to Hamas and Gaza or it's been climate change or whatever. And whatever it is, they're willing to just overthrow the system because it's so damn important. And it changes like, every three months.

[Joe Getty]

So I was reading this piece in the Free Press from this woman, Caitlin Flanagan, who I. I thought I heard the name before. I guess Joe's quoted her before.

[Jack Armstrong]

She's terrific. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

She now writes for the Free Press, and she had this piece, Pray for America. I was born in the era of assassinations, but when I saw the news of the shooting in Washington, I barely scrolled. That's how I know we've re entered an era of political violence. Got to admit, my reaction also when I heard it was not the level it should have been, probably, or certainly not the level it would have been five years ago. She is. I don't know how. I guess I could figure it out. She was born in 63 because she was born within days of when President Kennedy was assassinated. So when she was a young girl, we went through the mlk, Bobby Kennedy. Then she was at Berkeley when the Black Panthers were there, Patty Hearst, all that sort of stuff. She lived through that era of violence and bombings and all that different sort of stuff. And she writes, that's when I realized that political violence is truly back, that an attempt to assassinate the American president was within the realm not just of possibility, but of the unremarkable. And we once again crossed the river where we may not countenance violence of this kind, but we understand it as an aspect of the known world that is absolutely right. It just feels like it's part of the deal now.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Which it didn't feel like the left very long ago. The political left justifies it and explains it away. And that's accepted more and more in the mainstream. Radical chic, look it up.

[Joe Getty]

And she ended with this. She talked a little bit about the media coverage and, you know, people doing their thing on both sides of the media. She said, this is America right now, where nothing seems real and where your sympathies are open to constant manipulation. Which started like within moments of the shooting. I was watching MSNBC when I was a girl. The priest always asked for prayers for the United States, which seems silly to me, like asking for prayers for the moon or gravity. For the first time in my life, I've been doing what those priests instructed.

[Katie Green]

Whoa.

[Jack Armstrong]

Interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Pray for the United States because. Yeah, this is not going to end well, people.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

We've got to move on from this and we'll probably talk about it again later. And unfortunately we'll probably be talking about it when the next assassination attempt or assassination of a public figure happens. But hand, you'd have thought Charlie Kirk getting shot in front of everybody. Like that would have, would have made us settle down a little bit. But you know, it didn't. Including a whole bunch of people on the right like Trump, people who turned it into a. It was his wife. I mean, so for profit, that's pretty horrifying. But there's gonna be a major, another major assassination in weeks, months, or very soon. It's just too much of this floating around right now.

[Jack Armstrong]

That didn't even raise my blood pressure when you said that. I was like, yeah, of course it will.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, of course it will.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Which is a heck of a thing. Okay, we got Mailbag on the way.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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This is Jana Kramer from Wind down with Jana Kramer. Every Mother's Day I tell myself I'm going to be more thoughtful than flowers because flowers are beautiful but but they don't last. In my house, everyone always ends up in the kitchen. Friends, family, the kids and I love having things around that spark conversation and feel special. That's why I love the Lenox Spice Village and your mom will too. It's a set of 24 hand painted little houses that are actually spice jars and I swear people notice it the second they walk in. It's charming, it's nostalgic, and it somehow makes even everyday cooking feel a little more fun. And here's the best part. It actually gets used every day. Whether you're starting the full set or helping her complete one she's loved for years. There's a whole world of Spice Village to explore this Mother's Day. Give her something she'll treasure long after the card is put away. Trust me, once you see it, you'll want one too. Find the full [e-mail] Spice Village by

[Joe Getty]

the way, I've raved about the movie Marty Supreme. It's now streaming, so I'd be interested if some of you watch it this weekend. It's on hbo. Max. Let me know what you think of it because it's I think it's in my top five movies of all time in my that I've ever seen. I've watched it twice now. Marty Supreme.

[Jack Armstrong]

I love it.

[Joe Getty]

But I'd be interested in what other people think. It's not for everybody.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm not a big ping pong fan, so I don't think I'd like was intentionally annoying. How did I do? Here's your freedom loving quote of the day sent along by your friend Frank, presumably My friend Frank on the topic of power and absurdity, this is actually from Arthur Miller. He wrote this in 1978 in a book entitled Chinese Encounters Musing about the Cultural Revolution.

[Joe Getty]

Oh wow, I haven't read that. That sounds like something I would love.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Indeed. I wasn't aware of it. Power, after all, makes any absurdity ever so slightly logical. And Frank says this paraphrases Voltaire's oft quoted this is One of my favorite quotes of all time. Certainly whoever has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices. There are a number of different translations, but that that's why I've been so staunchly against the gender bending madness thing. If you surrender your judgment to somebody else and allow them to force you to say something you know to be untrue, you have surrendered your entire moral compass to them and they will eventually make you commit atrocities.

[Joe Getty]

Mailbag what was the name of that Arthur Miller?

[Jack Armstrong]

And he wrote what Chinese Encounters. Okay, drop his Note [e-mail] going with some lighter hearted stuff, mostly Carnac the Magnificent Style. Emailed about a recent article from jt. The answer is James Comey, Anthony Fauci, and Barney Frank. The question is. Wait a second. For Johnny Carson fans.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Name the last three people on earth we should be hearing anything from. Yeah, Comey Fauci and Barney Frank. Yet here's an article mentioning Barney Frank's upcoming book, Barney Effing Frank, the most high profile villain of the 200809 worldwide financial meltdown.

[Joe Getty]

Oh really? Oh wow, that's interesting. So he was behind all the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac forcing banks to give loans to people with bad credit stuff?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, you got to give a $400,000 mortgages to crackheads or we'll prosecute you for being racist. Yeah, he brought all that on. He and Clinton. Let's see. This is from Kirk, formerly in Houston, now back in Santa Cruz. Keep us up to date, Kirk. As soon as. Oh, as soon as Mr. Getty said that the discussion on today's One More Thing podcast was a perfect stoner discussion. This was yesterday. I put the subsequent discussion to half speed on the podcast machine to prove his theory. And he was right. I nearly crashed my car from laughing so hard. It's such a silly thing, but so funny. Love the show as always. Cheers. Hey, if we can bring happiness to your soul during these troubled times in whatever fashion, Kirk, we're happy to do it.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, the One More Thing podcast was an interesting discussion, but I'll pit. That is pretty funny. Imagine trying to fix your brain with your own mind.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh dude. Yeah, exactly. Beautiful. Armstrong, you get a One More Thing podcast? Sometimes it has swears in it and it downloads automatically when you subscribe. Whatever you get, wherever you get podcasts, Armstrong, you get he on demand. Moving along. Let's see. This is from a frequent correspondent, Paolo. Have you ever noticed how chatbots very accommodatingly Acknowledge mistakes almost as if to imply that they don't matter. Yes, well, yeah, but the meme we were trading around amongst ourselves yesterday where Guy says, can I eat this mushroom or is this mushroom poisonous? And AI says, nope, go ahead and eat it. And he's dead and in the grave. And the chat bot responds with, sorry, I was wrong. Would you like to know more about poisonous mushrooms?

[Joe Getty]

Do you like some great mushroom recipes?

[Jack Armstrong]

Whatever, right?

[Joe Getty]

It always goes with such. I had that last night. It goes with such a cheery, oh, you're right, I was completely wrong about that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, so he says, I may ask how to fix some technical problem. It gives me a confident sounding reply. I try what it suggests and when I tell it it didn't work, it confidently says something like, oh, that's because, well, if you knew there was a reason why it wouldn't work, why would you? Confident didn't really tell me to do it. The reason is that chatbots implicitly make themselves out to be something they're not. But that's not the point. The point is that it's important to doubt and challenge what they say. For example, I asked how prevalent the conspiratorial belief that the correspondence dinner shooting was real or not. What it seemed to be was in response. Its response was that many conservative commentators had put forth that theory. I pointed out that liberal places pointed out liberal places where that idea was seen. Oh, yes, right. It's really coming from both sides. Sides push back on those bots. It won't always get you to the truth, but it help.

[Joe Getty]

Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Thought that was interesting.

[Joe Getty]

I did that yesterday and it apologized to me. Perplexity. Apologized. I'm sorry.

[Jack Armstrong]

Then Paolo, one of our smartest correspondents, his next topic is Totalitarianism is coming, but I'm sorry, we're out of time. So thanks for dropping us that note.

[Joe Getty]

Are the Lakers going to be the first team in NBA history to be up 30 in the playoffs and end up losing a series? It's never happened to be four, but it may happen. It's three two now.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Oof. We got more in hour two.

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