You Rub Elbows With Crazy People

Summary

Podcast Summary: Armstrong & Getty On Demand – "You Rub Elbows With Crazy People"

Release Date: August 8, 2025

Host/Authors: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty

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1. Overview

In the episode titled "You Rub Elbows With Crazy People," hosts Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty delve into the tumultuous geopolitical landscape of 2025, focusing primarily on the anticipated Trump-Putin summit, the ongoing Russia-Ukraine conflict, and the escalating tensions between Israel and Hamas in Gaza. Their candid discussions provide listeners with in-depth analysis, expert opinions, and a critical examination of current international affairs.

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2. Anticipated Trump-Putin Summit

Scheduling and Locations

The episode opens with speculation about the highly anticipated Trump-Putin summit, tentatively scheduled for the end of the following week. Hosts discuss potential locations, mentioning Hungary, Switzerland, the UAE, and Rome as possible venues.

Skepticism About Outcomes

Joe Getty expresses deep skepticism regarding the summit's potential effectiveness:

"People here are highly skeptical that anything tangible is really going to come out of this or that Russia is even sincere about wanting to move towards peace." (04:09)

3. Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Russian Demands

The hosts analyze Russia's extensive list of demands, which include:

• Large-scale demilitarization in Ukraine
• Territorial concessions, extending to regions not yet annexed by Russia
• Guarantees preventing Ukraine from joining NATO

Christina Quinn highlights the steep nature of these demands:

"Demands that steep are being widely rejected by the Ukrainian public." (04:47)

Ukrainian Public Opinion

Discussions reveal conflicting polls about Ukrainian public sentiment:

• A Fox News poll suggests only 25% of Ukrainians support fighting until victory, while two-thirds prefer negotiations to swiftly end the war. (07:36)
• Another Ukrainian-conducted poll indicates 52% firmly oppose territorial concessions, and 68% reject Russian control over occupied territories. (08:37)

Potential Trump Intervention

The conversation touches on the possibility of President Trump delaying sanctions as a political maneuver ahead of elections:

"He completely got punked, man. I think he completely got punked..." (05:48)

4. Israel-Gaza Conflict

Israeli Government Divisions

The hosts discuss the internal divisions within the Israeli government regarding how to proceed with Gaza. They note that the Israeli security cabinet took approximately 10 hours to debate and agree on measures to end the war, reflecting nationwide division.

"The fact that the war cabinet there in Israel voted for yesterday. It approved five principles for ending the war..." (38:56)

Proposed Measures to End the War

Prime Minister Netanyahu's approved principles include:

• Disarming Hamas
• Returning hostages
• Demilitarizing Gaza
• Establishing Israeli security control over Gaza
• Creating an alternative civilian administration excluding Hamas and the Palestinian Authority

Humanitarian Concerns

Joe Getty underscores the humanitarian crisis and potential for prolonged conflict:

"There will be Russian conquistadors, occupiers, colonists, whatever, who come in and take the land. And we don't want to see that happen to our people, never mind our Land." (09:03)

5. Hamas: From Terror Group to Prison Gang

Analysis from Jonah Goldberg's Piece

Joe Getty references Jonah Goldberg's critical analysis of Hamas, describing it as a "prison gang" and "genocidal death cult." The discussion centers on how Hamas operates similarly to historical prison gangs, enforcing order, regulating violence, and controlling resources within Gaza.

"Hamas is almost, and is, is also an Islamist genocidal death cult in practical terms, most of the time it runs Gaza like a prison gang." (35:41)

Historical Parallels

Getty draws parallels between Hamas and historical groups like the Muslim Brotherhood and the IRA, emphasizing their control and militarization tactics.

"Prison gangs regulate violence, enforce order, control resources and manage access to black markets." (36:44)

Implications for Gaza's Future

The hosts debate the sustainability of Hamas's control over Gaza and the potential for uprisings or power shifts once external support (like money or resources) is removed.

"So I'm out there airing up the tires. Yep. I'll have these tires aired up and you can disappear off to your island and live an enjoyable life while I get slaughtered by the hordes." (22:38)

6. Human Rights Concerns: Ukrainian Children in Russian Custody

Forced Transfer and Militarization

The hosts discuss alarming reports of Ukrainian children being taken to Russia, where they are subjected to brainwashing and military training. This serves as a recruitment strategy for Russia to bolster its forces against Ukraine.

"As heard in that clip there... thousands and thousands of Ukrainian children... being brainwashed and trained militarily." (08:50)

Impact on Families

They emphasize the devastating impact on families and the future of these children, who are being groomed to fight against their homeland.

"They're going to be sent to the front lines with a gun at their back. You want us to shoot you or do you want to move forward and get shot?" (12:03)

7. Future Outlook and Geopolitical Implications

Prolonged Conflict

Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty express concern that without meaningful negotiations, the conflicts in Ukraine and Gaza are likely to continue, leading to further loss of life and regional instability.

"If Trump delays it and then actually meets with him... Putin will get another month or so of killing civilians in Ukraine to see if he can finally win this thing on his own." (05:48)

Skepticism About Peace Prospects

The hosts remain skeptical about the sincerity of peace efforts, citing Putin's pattern of behavior and the entrenchment of hardline positions on both sides.

"But I have no idea. Well, he has said, essentially, I want to stop the war no matter what it takes." (07:16)

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Notable Quotes

• Joe Getty on Russian Sincerity:
  "People here are highly skeptical that anything tangible is really going to come out of this or that Russia is even sincere about wanting to move towards peace." (04:09)

• Christina Quinn on Ukrainian Public Opinion:
  "If you eat too many ultra processed foods, you could be starving your gut microbes and they'll get hangry." (02:13)
  (Note: This quote relates to a brief digression on gut health and is less central to the main geopolitical discussions.)

• Joe Getty on Hamas's Control:
  "Hamas is almost, and is, is also an Islamist genocidal death cult in practical terms, most of the time it runs Gaza like a prison gang." (35:41)

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Conclusion

In "You Rub Elbows With Crazy People," Armstrong and Getty provide a thorough examination of some of the most pressing international conflicts of the time. Through their discussions, they highlight the complexities and human costs associated with these conflicts, offering listeners a critical perspective on the challenges facing global peace and security. The episode underscores the skepticism surrounding political negotiations and the dire humanitarian implications of sustained warfare.

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Transcript

[Christina Quinn]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Christina Quinn]

I'm told the Trumpet Putin Summit is tentatively scheduled for the end of next week.

[Unknown Speaker]

It will be President Trump's first sit.

[Christina Quinn]

Down with Putin since 2019 at the G20 summit in Osaka.

[Joe Getty]

The location for this meeting is still.

[Unknown Speaker]

Up in the air, but I'm told.

[Christina Quinn]

That Hungary, Switzerland and UAE are in the mix. There were also some discussions about Rome.

[Unknown Speaker]

Ah, that is going to be something else, man. Trump and Putin face to face. Let's get some more reporting. That was from Fox. This is from News Nation.

Yeah, People here are highly skeptical that anything tangible is really going to come out of this or that Russia is even sincere about wanting to move towards peace. And I can tell you that the leadership here in Kyiv, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, all watching this dialogue very closely because President Zelensky is making very clear he wants a seat at this negotiating table. His team is already going through strategies, if it's a bilateral format or a trilateral format between all of these leaders. But he wants to make sure that they have a voice at the negotiating table.

Well, yeah, and before we get into the details on this, here's where the rubber meets the road on the whole thing.

If you listen to Russia's long list of demands right now, they include large scale demilitarizations in Ukraine, territorial concessions that include places that Russia hasn't even annexed yet, as well as guarantees that Ukraine will not move towards NATO membership. Demands that steep are being widely rejected by the Ukrainian public. So there would have to be more negotiations on this. And that's a large part of the reason that people here are not highly optimistic that Russia is sincere, but because.

They Aren't, you know, the classic negotiating stance would be they're making maximalist demands but are willing to settle for good deal less, which is. I just don't. Well, right. But I just don't see that being Putin's strategy here. You know, even if he were to get, you know, 60% of that and the Ukrainians have disarmed, he would wait six months or 12 months or three and a half years to reconstitute his forces, then move on the rest of it.

To me, the whole story, and we're going to know some of it today, is sanctions are supposed to kick in on India and others who are buying oil from Russia and helping prop up the war machine that was Trump's threat. The deadline is today. If Trump comes out at some point today and says, we're putting a pause on that, since we've got active talks being discussed here, I. I think he got punked, man. I think he completely got punked, because the only reason Putin's doing this is, oh, Jesus, sanctions. Elections are coming Friday, and he's doing the thing he always does. And so he's pretending he's interested in the ceasefire, and if Trump delays it and then. And then actually meets with him in Rome or wherever the hell, and then comes out of that meeting and says, we had a really good talk, really substantive talks, and we're discussing various things. So while we're discussing that, the, the, the. The. What do you call it? The word that never means. The sanctions that never come to anything. Ever in my life have they ever come to anything. The sanct. Hold, and Putin will get another month or so of killing civilians in Ukraine to see if he can finally win this thing on his own. Kick the can down the road, man. If Trump falls for that. He's not the guy I thought he was.

Well, he's already discussed that a couple of times. What was that? He came up with an expression I'd never heard before. He's tapping me along.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So he's aware of it.

But if he allows himself to be tapped along for another weeks or months over this phony situation. Give me a break. Unless. Unless the reality is Trump doesn't actually want. Well, I believe he wants to stop the war. So I don't. I don't know. I have no idea.

Well, he has said, essentially, I want to stop the war no matter what it takes. And the Ukrainian people in Zelensky are saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not no matter what it takes. There's a limit. And in fact, there are some somewhat conflicting polls. Fox News last night was citing one that said, and this is from memory, so forgive me if it's not quite accurate, but there were only like a quarter of Ukrainians who said we need to fight on until victory is achieved, and roughly two thirds were saying we need to enter negotiations to end the war as quickly as possible. On the other hand, you have this major poll in Ukraine conducted by Ukrainians found that only 38% of Ukrainians would accept some losses of for peace, with 52% firmly against, quote, unquote, territorial concessions, although that number has declined somewhat since 2022. But it's 5238 on territorial concessions.

Even at this point, that's something.

68% oppose official recognition of Russian control of occupied territories, and 78% reject the surrender of regions not currently under Russian control, as Putin has demanded.

As you just heard in that clip there. Yeah. Putin not only wants to keep what he's grabbed, he's talking about parts he hasn't grabbed yet that, that, that he says he gets. I mean, that's a non starter.

Right, Right.

And there's an article in, I think it's in Time magazine today, done by some of the journalists at the Telegraph with a deeper dive than I'd seen before on all those thousands and thousands of Ukrainian children that have been grabbed by Russian soldiers and brought back to Russian territory and are being brainwashed and trained militarily, depending on their age. And now this was reported yesterday by who? Somebody, I believe. I mean, like a legitimate news source. There is a website in Russia now where you can go on and take a look at all the Ukrainian children and pick which one you'd like for your family. They just.

Apartments or houses just snatched up.

Children that are just gonna be given to Russian families.

Yeah, well, and one of the main points of this piece that I'm looking at right now, which is so interesting, it follows this successful young Ukrainian American woman who had a really good job with Morgan Stanley, but she went back to her home country to become a combat medic. But anyway, the point that several people make in this piece is that, look, this is not just about the land. This is about all the people who live there. And they're Ukrainians, and they're either going to be oppressed or shoved off the land. And it will be. There will be Russian conquistadors, occupiers, colonists, whatever, who come in and take the land. And we don't want to see that happen to our people, never mind our Land. So I don't know. There are a couple of global situations right now. I look at one side's demands and the other side's demands, and there's no bridge in that gap.

Trump has not said, as far as I know yet yesterday and today. Do the. Is the day. Is today still the deadline on the sanctions or is he backing off that?

No idea.

God. I think one more note he's going to have to say today if he backs off it, I think. Wow. I.

Sorry, one more stray note, sort of, kind of. The Ukrainians have repelled the late summer Russian offensive and actually recaptured several square miles of land. But I think to describe it as more or less stalemate is still pretty accurate.

Stalemate against a much, much bigger country that doesn't care how many millions of people die. Apparently thousands.

Ukrainians are horrified by what Ms. Zarivna, who's quoting this article, describes as a large scale state policy of militarizing Ukrainian children. Forcibly transferred children are the most vulnerable. But youths in occupied territories are also pushed into military training, including the operation of drones and tactical medical instruction. Russia is preparing them to fight against Ukraine as soon as they turn 18.

And it's not like you'll have a choice. Even if the, even if the brainwashing didn't work. You're going to be sent to the front lines with a gun at your back. You want to. You want us to shoot you or do you want to move forward and get shot?

Right, yeah.

God, that's brutal. Absolutely brutal. What's your guess? Does Trump back. Back off on the sanctions today?

My guess. Which. Oh, well, on that specifically, I don't know. Coin flip. But on the bigger, more troubling question to me, to me, I have a bad feeling that he is going to demand and then berate Zelensky and the Ukrainian people into giving up way more than they're comfortable with to achieve the end of the killing, which seems to be Trump's main goal. And. And he will say, we will not arm you anymore. You need to take this agreement.

And then that would just be the temporary end of the killing. Because then Putin starts it back up.

Again as soon as he can. Yeah.

And why wouldn't he? Since it worked?

Oh, yeah. And that's just his nature and his goals, his stated goals.

Wow.

To take as much territory as possible.

Hanson, if Trump makes a statement on the. On the sanctions, whether he's sticking with them or not, let us know. That's a big story. We got other stuff to get to stay here.

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Okay, so we pile into the back of your car. It's a back seat. You got a driver. We drove, took a quick left, got out to another bar. It's the same building. We drove, we drove. We drove from one door to another door. Yeah, we had a nice ride. Yes.

Yeah.

So I think he wanted to impress that you had a driver.

That's funny. So Gutfeld's on Jimmy Fallon last night, telling stories about the time we met. Fallon has no memory of it. So it was late at night. Fallon enjoys his booze, as we all know, uncomfortable.

Shades of when I jumped into a cab in Chicago and had the guy take me next door, I did the same thing.

I've told the story, different street.

It was Kitty Corner. I didn't recognize it.

No, I did this in Key West. It was long before Ubers. I called a taxi from the hotel to take me to the airport in Key west and he said, you need to go to the airport. I said, yeah, he drives like 10ft. We're here. The hotel's next to the airport.

Wow.

The airport is very small. I gotta ask you this question.

All right.

Yeah, yeah, I saw that Nancy Mace is running for governor in South Carolina. That, that's not important to me. But I saw that one of the things she's running on is outlawing chemtrails in the state and that several states already have like, contrails.

Like the, the, the like. Well, the airplane just went by the.

Cons in the sky. The conspiracy people call them chemtrails.

Okay, fine.

What, what is, what is outlawing chemtrails?

I can't imagine. Are you going to close the airspace or what? I don't, I don't know.

If you see one, do you call the police and try to figure out which flame plane did that?

She is at least half a nut. Nancy Mace.

I know people that like, spend a lot of time really worried about chemtrails and what it's doing to them, but. Okay, didn't know that was a thing.

Yeah, I admire that about you. You, you rub elbows with some crazy people. Yeah, well, okay, there you go. Not to put too fine a point on it, but do you know who David Mamet is? He's a screenwriter, a film director, just a writer in general. He wrote Glengarry.

I just read Glengarry Glen Ross last year. The actual screenplay from him, that's one of my all time favorite movies. Top five.

He's got a Tony nomination. The rest of his stuff, not that prominent. Oh, the Postman always rings twice, 1981, the Untouchables.

There we go.

Hoffa Wag the Dog.

Hannibal, I didn't know he was untouchables.

Also, he wrote a really funny piece about the fact that American billionaires apparently have prepared compounds in New Zealand in case of the apocalypse.

What's their version of the apocalypse?

Yes. Hitting the fan, man. Societal breakdown.

It all going down, all comes unglued.

And, and it's funny, he starts, he writes a, a piece here and he talks about he used to fly airplanes out of the Santa Monica airport, which is close to his home. And he was talking to a fellow pilot that one of the benefits of having a pilot's license and the ability to fly a plane was that if society breaks down, I can fly my family out.

True.

And he said, yeah, true, but your problem is going to be the last hundred yards before the airport. So Mamet points out. So I guess American billionaires have prepared compounds in New Zealand. Case of the apocalypse. I totally unaware of this, but I Love his thinking so. And those compounds, of course, have everything the group's gonna need. Air, water, food, entertainment, ready to receive them, to live in company.

That's funny. I'm preparing for the apocalypse. There better be some entertainment when I get there.

I want a nice stack of DVDs.

I need a cover band ready to play.

Well and good, he writes, but their fantasy, like mine, is flawed. For what is the size of the group for which they foresee transportation, protection and perpetual care? And then he uses the historical example of the Ottoman Turks who raised enslaved Mamelukes to the status of first of guards, then out of administrators. And that was fine until the Mamelukes did the math and realized we don't need the Turks. And so here's where the part I like, because this is great logic and I don't think I would have thought of this. Some of the pilots of the billionaires getaway planes would surely have families, right? Happily married pilots would logically insist their families come along for the ride rather than stay and die. The billionaire's wealth would avail them nothing, for they couldn't escape without the pilots. Or pay a man enough to forfeit his family's life. Probably yes. The wealthy would have armed guards to ensure their own family got safely on board. Wouldn't the guards insist that they and their loved ones go along too? Of course they would.

This is pretty good.

And the ground crews servicing the planes would by this logic, act similarly. If staying behind meant death, what would they risk by demanding their inclusion? What's the rich guy going to do? Stop their paycheck?

Right.

Plane offers the sol escape.

So I'm out there airing up the tires. Yep. I'll have these tires aired up and you can disappear off to your island and live an enjoyable life while I get slaughtered by the hordes There have.

The gunfire's getting closer. Have a pleasant flight. Now, Mammoth points out, there is a limitation. The plane can only carry so much weight. Sure, if you overload it, it won't get off the ground. At some point, those on the plane would have to use arms to keep the late comer hordes off. The guards then would realize themselves to be the enlightened Mamelukes. If they're the only ones capable of keeping order, and if money is now useless, they have no need of their employer.

Correct.

On the plane he would be dead weight and in the New Zealand bunker, just a useless mouth to feed. So the caretakers, builders, security guards and so on of the compound would insist on being accommodated if they hadn't already barricaded themselves in and locked the plutocrats out.

Or you shoot him halfway across the ocean and push them out of the plane or whatever.

That's a. You know what? That would be one way to, you know, break up the flight. Hey kids, I know you're restless, but hey, in a couple minutes I got a big surprise for you.

That is the problem with those kind of deals. I just read to have and have Not Again, the Ernest Hemingway book. And that's one of the plot points in there, if anybody's ever read it. You know, he's doing some smuggling operation and the super rich guy who hires him, they head out on the boat. As soon as they get on the boat, the lead character realizes, I don't need you anymore. I got the money you're into. All you're doing is making my life worse. Shoots him and that's the end of that.

Right? Right. Yeah.

So. Huh. That's pretty good. Well, I would like to know what these billionaires, what, what sort of calamity are you expecting? I mean, are some, some of you global warming weirdos or immigrant hordes or what do you.

I don't know, just the breakdown of society. Civil war, I guess. I'm just gonna keep firing until I'm out of ammo and, you know, swing my fists, I guess.

Wow. Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

The reviews and ratings are in and ice Cube's big three is the surprise hit of the summer. This Saturday, 4pm Eastern on CBS. With playoff elim on the line, the stars will be flocking to Los Angeles to witness the most physical, fiercest and competitive basketball in the world. Miami's Michael Beasley and Lance Stevenson must win over Houston to make the playoffs, reeling from last week's savage beating at the hands of Chicago's possessed Montrez Harold. Last time these teams met, Miami beat Houston, but they are a dangerous team having their manhood at stake. Then breakout star Dwight Howard of the LA Riot will battle Gary Payton's Box Boston squad in a do or die match for both teams. Will LA avenge their previous shocking loss to perennial basketball Boston rivals? To survive, six teams are allowed for four spots and all must win. Don't miss the Big Three, the three on three basketball league everyone is talking about. There's no crying in the big three and the no hold spot action starts Saturday at 4pm Eastern, 1pm Pacific followed by two games on Vice starting at 6:30 Eastern.

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[Christina Quinn]

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The fact that the Israeli security cabinet took about 10 hours to debate this issue, debate this measure, and finally agree it is, I think, a sign of how much division there is in the Israeli government about how to proceed with Gaza. And that's a division that's reflected countrywide. Opinion polls have consistently indicated that about 70% of Israelis want an end to the war in Gaza as soon as possible and a sense of normality to return to their country. And of course the hostages to be brought back. God, that is such a biased view of that whole thing. And by the way, last year's clip of the year, it was the number one clip we had of the year was release the sausages. How have we never had that whenever.

We'Re talking about hostages?

Come on.

Michael is in the employ of Big Bacon, evidently won't play the sausage clip.

And I realize it's a serious topic, but that is also one of the greatest clips of all time. And what. That's such a. So the fact that there is internal dissent. Okay, fine, there always is. We've been talking about the dropping of the bomb. There was all kinds of dissent about that, but the prevailing view was we gotta drop the bomb on Japan. So what? I mean, how often is it a 100% of people are with this, the war cabinet, that is a combination of different parts of different factions of the government that Netanyahu is the head of voted to occupy Gaza and get rid of Hamas. And we talked about that a little bit earlier. That 70% poll he mentioned won an end of the war. Yeah, I'm surprised it's not a hundred percent won an end of the war. But when you ask more specific questions about what you gotta do, it's not as clear cut.

And yeah, the whole question, they want the war to end as soon as possible. Okay, look, among humans there are always parameters to that sort of thing. We want the war to end as soon as possible. Given these co, you know, truths. If that means like Israel ceases to exist.

No, then no, I don't want the.

War to end as soon as possible. Obviously that's, that's a, that's an answer. In search of a question by that pollster, here's CNN.

That was, that was CNN's view. This is ABC's view. I guess expanding the war to occupy all of Gaza ends any short term hopes of a ceasefire. And it means hundreds of thousands of.

People being forcibly relocated in the midst.

Of what most concede is a humanitarian crisis.

Military leaders fear it could take months and risks Israeli forces becoming bogged down with no clear exit strategy. There've been widespread demonstrations here in Israel against the plans and the families of the hostages still being held in Gaza.

Condemning move saying it'll endanger the lives.

Of their loved ones.

Yeah, without any mention of the fact. But the majority of the people want Hamas to be dead. And so what? There have been widespread. I mean, what is the point of that in the international outrage? The international community always hates Israel no matter what they're doing. And then what was the other part? Oh, this is going to make it impossible to have a ceasefire. There was never going to be a ceasefire.

No, that was ridiculous. I almost jumped in in the middle of the clip. Yeah.

So that sort of stuff is driving me nuts. I, I call again for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza. The return of the sausages hostages still makes me laugh.

That is just unbelievable. Oh, one of the greatest gaffes of all time.

I wonder if he wakes up thinking about that nearly every night. But then I wanted to get. This is a piece Jonah Goldberg wrote the other day. I thought it was really good and you know, we're just talking about the bias in the news coverage of this and, and I was glad Jonah wrote this and I wish it was described this way more places. His piece was called the death cult prison gang that is Hamas. He starts with the claim that Gaza was in the world's largest open air prison that we heard so much about right after October 7th. In the wake of October 7th, when defenders of Hamas desperately needed to provide some context to justify the rape and slaughter that Hamas had perpetrated upon Israel, the whole open air prison thing went viral, popping out of the mouths of journalists and government officials all around the world. In fact, there's some media analysis out there that Jonah Goldberg links to if you want to watch it. I did has a useful compilation of videos on what Gaza looked like prior to this war, which was launched by Hamas, not Israel. In case you're confused about that, if you watch, say Al Jazeera's 2017 report on Gaza's economic boom, complete with shopping malls, crowded beaches and a water park, it certainly doesn't look like the prison or concentration camp described by all those statesman, intellectuals, journalists or UN poobahs right after October 7, you never hear about that.

Well, and the, the documents have been found and, and I believe firmly that they're authentic. In which Yaya Sinwar stated, we launched the October 7 attacks because we had to disray to derail the Israeli Saudi agreement. That would have been the end of our dream of wiping the Jews off the map. We had to derail it.

Back to Jonah's piece. The numbers never really backed up the whole world's largest open prison claim either. Every day prior to October 7, Palestinians left Gaza for work in Israel. Moreover, roughly a quarter of a million young Palestinians migrated left to work or study abroad in the decade and a half priority got to leave and come and go and go study in some other land. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu allowed billions in Qatari and other aid money to get funneled to Hamas. Netanyahu justified it on the grounds it was necessary to fend off a humanitarian crisis. Of course nobody remembers that now that they gave him all that money. He made the, as Jonah Goldsberg points out, the incorrect bet that allowing all this aid and for Hamas to build up Gaza, that they would become, you know, not hell bent on destroying Jews. He was wrong about that and he could be criticized for that. But how are you at the same time criticizing him now for wanting to starve everybody?

And that is also the source of the bizarre narrative that Netanyahu quote unquote financed Hamas. He actually gave them money. He wanted them to exist for his political purposes, they say in the conspiracy soaked corners of the Internet.

Okay, so that's this, the whole, the whole. It was an open air prison in a hellhole before Hamas went into the most recent time into Israel and caused all this to happen. Onto this though, what I really liked. Gaza may not be a prison, but Hamas is a prison gang. Hamas is almost, and is, is also an Islamist genocidal death cult in practical terms, most of the time it runs Gaza like a prison gang. This shouldn't surprise anyone. Prisons and terror groups have had a chicken and egg relationship for generations. The Muslim Brotherhood, Islamic Jihad, isis, the Irish Republican Army, Bolsheviks, various American neo Nazi groups, various far left European terror outfits, the list goes on. What's special about Hamas is that it operates like a prison gang when not in prison. All those examples of people were in prison or you know, they were getting all this money. They could have used this money to build up a fantastic society, right? And they decided to run the little strip of land that is known as Gaza as a, like a prison gang.

And Israel foolishly incorrectly thought okay, now they're just governing few finally. But no, they were building up to something like October 7th.

He quotes this book that's all about prison gangs to explain what he means by Hamas is like a prison gang. Prison gangs regulate violence, enforce order, control resources and manage access to black markets. That's what Hamas has been doing in Gaza for years. Armed violence that falls on aid convoys isn't all orchestrated by Hamas, but it's a safe bet that most of it wouldn't happen without Hamas allowing it or directing it. Obviously you couldn't be some half ass gang stealing the food and Hamas would say damn it, they got it again. They would wipe you out.

Please watch few episodes of the Sopranos.

Yeah, good point. Anyway, it goes on and on about what an awful, awful entity Hamas is. How much better Gaza was prior to the war in a way that seems to have been forgotten.

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War cabinet there in Israel voted for yesterday. It approved five principles for ending the war that include the disarming of Hamas. I don't see how you can do that without killing them all. The return of all 50 hostages, 20 of whom are believed to be alive. The demilitarization of Gaza, Israeli security control over the enclave, and the establishment of an alternative civilian administration there that doesn't involve Hamas or the Palestinian Authority. Netanyahu is Making it clear that they have no interest in running Gaza. But if you do all the things, the five things that were approved by the war cabinet, you're going to be running it until you can find somebody to take it off your hands. And I don't know how that's going to work. Yeah, yeah, this will be something to watch. It's going to be ugly. The reporting on it is going to be completely misleading. It's going to be ugly to start with. Then add on to it the reporting and the fact that every country in the world hates Israel.

Yeah, there are. I think you can divide humanity into a couple of groups of people and I have no idea what percentage are which, but you've got one group of people who, when faced with a couple of really bad options, picks one, takes a heavy sigh and does it. And there are a hundred examples from real life or geopolitics or whatever. I mean, and it's almost, it's like the whole, if your kid didn't do their homework, do you hurriedly do it for them or do you let them suffer the consequences for it? It's a similar thing. So you got a certain number of people who understand this is terrible and I don't want to do this, but I've got to. And then you do it. And then there are the sort of people, and I run into them all the time or I see them on TV or whatever, who, when faced with such a terrible decision, say, there's got to be another way. And you can spend days, weeks and months exhausting every other possible way, and they will never accept the fact that you have to do something really difficult. They will just keep saying, no, that's too ugly, we won't do that. There's got to be another way. And then when somebody, a realist, has to choose and has to act, they will sit back, they will condemn that person for their choice, whichever choice they made, and claim the, in their own minds, moral high ground. And I don't know if the realists are outnumbered, you know, 4 to 1 or 5 to 1 or 10 to 1, but I think we are outnumbered.

Yeah, it's the classic pacifist situation. You get, you get. You have such a great lofty spot to be a pacifist and not have to deal with the reality of how you solve a problem.

Right. Yeah.

They keep running a certain video on a loop on Fox. I want to talk about at some point whether this is good for society or bad for society. And I'm not exactly sure. I keep going back and forth on that, among other things.

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I'm Kristi Noem, head of Homeland Security.

A few years ago, I had to.

Put my puppy down by shooting it in the face.

Because sometimes doing what's important means doing what's hard.

Oh God. Whoa. Now we'll ask the same determination of you. Okay, so. Oh boy, that's dark. I don't know if you could tell what was going on there, but that was south park portraying our current Secretary of DHS as a dog shooter, which she is, but I justified. We've talked about that. But.

Well, they have her shooting dogs for fun wherever she sees them, including in restaurants. Barbaric. It's rather dark and over the top. South Park, I expect you to be more restrained and tasteful.

Well, she has responded to some of the portrayal. Today, DH Secretary Christy Gnome blasts South park after show, brutally mocks her appearance. Is the angle on this? I didn't. I haven't watched the episode, so apparently they mock her appearance. Also, Kristi Noem has blasted the creators as lazy and petty after the show cruelly mocked her appearance, depicting her as a vain Botox bimbo. I just saw her on TV just moments ago. I don't know how you can mock that woman's appearance. I mean, whatever you think of her politics or views or this or that, you cannot say she's not an attractive person because she is, well, and.

And. And super crazy. Dolled up. Too true. It's like she's gonna don some Victoria's Secret stuff and walk the Runway.

I guess it's a matter of opinion, but she doesn't look freakish to me.

It's.

It's. To me. I have mocked it, too. It's weird that you're so glamorous as a government official, but she doesn't look weird like Bezos's wife or something like that to me. Maybe you have different tastes.

A little lip filler. I don't know.

A little. It never ends. But it's so lazy to constantly make fun of women for how they look. Gnome said it's always the liberals and the extremists who do that. If they wanted to criticize my job, go ahead and do that, but clearly they can't. They just pick something petty like that. It helps to blast back at somebody criticizing your appearance when you're a very attractive person. Of course, it's easier. So she doesn't. Doesn't mention the whole. I don't actually shoot dogs in restaurants for fun. That's good.

Right?

She didn't draw attention.

Gun them down on the streets. Right.

Is that what they ever.

Sometimes. With automatic weapons. Yes. It's very bloody. It's terrible.

I guess.

I know. I.

You know, I've known for years that some of you cannot enjoy jokes if they're against your side in any way. I. I mostly can. Not always. Sometimes it really, really pisses me off. But, like, I don't know, I find that hilarious and inaccurate and wrong and all kinds of stuff, but I still find it hilarious.

Right. Yeah.

It's just satire.

Right, Right. Often humor is about easing your way to a difficult truth. Sometimes it's just to make you laugh.

Right.

And that's, you know, that's the question. Oh, hey, I don't know if I have time for this, but I wanted to tip my cap to the Oregonian and their website, Oregon Live. And they are liberals, as you might expect, being, you know, the journalists in Oregon. But they had a great editorial the other day about the. And we talked about this episode. Oregon Rep. Dwayne Junker was reading aloud from sexually explicit Books, porn that was put into the school libraries by progressives, teachers and librarians. And his point was being, look, this is not appropriate. Let me read it for you. And people were going crazy there on the floor of the house saying you can't read that here, it's inappropriate. The irony being as big as a skyscraper, but still not big enough for them to get, apparently. And then the state of Oregon, which is so up its own hind end and crazy, launched an investigation by the Legislative Equity Office that's concluded that junkers action could have created a hostile workplace and affected employees abilities to do their job. Therefore, because it was sexually explicit, he was forbidden for discussing it on the floor of the legislature. Something that's in schools. If you don't get the. I mean, it's so obvious. How can I have that pointed out to you? Totalitarian jiu jitsu that they're pulling there. You're far too stupid to listen to the show and I suggest you stop. Anyway.

No kidding.

The Oregonians.

It's like straight out of Catch 22, the book of craziness.

Yeah, we're going to introduce porn in the library, but you can't bring it out because that would be obscene. So anyway, there you go. But no, the Oregonian, in a editorial headline politics is not a safe space, says it's absolutely ridiculous and unacceptable that you can't discuss this very political issue in the halls of politics. And the state ought to wake up. And the legislature recognizes the constitutional protections guaranteeing freedom of speech and expression must be taken into account in determining the rights afforded individuals in the state capital under whatever rule. So anyway, good for you, Oregonian.

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