Your Excitement Should Be On The Shelf

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand Episode Title: Your Excitement Should Be On The Shelf
Release Date: March 24, 2025
Host/Authors: Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty, Katie

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1. Controversial Firing of a High School Basketball Coach in New York

The episode opens with a discussion about a recent incident involving a high school basketball coach in New York State who was fired following inappropriate behavior during a state championship game. The coach, Jim Zullo, reportedly yanked the ponytail of a female player after she refused to shake hands with the opposing team leader.

• Katie: "She cursed him after he told her to shake hands with the other team." [03:21]
• Jack Armstrong: "Hard enough to be wildly inappropriate." [04:03]

The hosts debate the appropriateness of the coach's actions versus the player's reaction, emphasizing the importance of sportsmanship and appropriate conduct from both coaches and players.

2. Critique of California’s High-Speed Rail Project

A significant portion of the discussion centers on California's high-speed rail project, which Jack Armstrong vehemently criticizes as a monumental failure.

• Jack Armstrong: "California's high speed rail, it's a huge disaster, but nobody's ever done anything about it." [05:00]
• Katie: "Ezra Klein is saying this has gotten off the rails, it is really off." [06:07]

Armstrong highlights the project's stalled progress, massive budget overruns, and the impracticality of its current design, arguing that it serves as a cautionary tale for future infrastructure projects. The conversation extends to the political implications of such large-scale governmental expenditures and their impact on state economics.

3. Job Creation and Economic Disparities: California vs. Texas

The hosts delve into recent job statistics, comparing California with Texas to illustrate the economic challenges facing the Golden State.

• Jack Armstrong: "California gained a net 22,400 jobs from January 24 to January 25. All of the net new jobs were in government." [10:07]
• Katie: "Texas spent about $50 billion on health and human services compared to California's 228 billion." [13:03]

Armstrong and Katie discuss how California's economy is becoming increasingly dependent on government spending, leading to job losses in private sectors such as construction, manufacturing, and retail. In contrast, Texas has demonstrated robust job growth across various industries, attributing this success to lower taxes and business-friendly policies.

4. The Alien Enemies Act and Immigration Policies

A heated debate ensues regarding the potential use of the Alien Enemies Act by former President Donald Trump to deport illegal immigrants, particularly gang members from Venezuela.

• Jack Armstrong: "Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government... [the act] is now classified as terrorists." [29:20]
• Katie: "Our officials show stance seems to have landed on. Politically this is a win." [26:10]

The hosts explore the legal and ethical ramifications of employing an outdated 1798 law in modern immigration enforcement. They discuss concerns about due process, potential misuse of the law, and the broader implications for civil liberties.

5. Extraterrestrial Life and the Fermi Paradox

Katie introduces a segment based on insights from physicist and astronomer Adam Frank, discussing the likelihood of extraterrestrial life and the Fermi Paradox.

• Katie: "If they ever discover life anywhere or that it had existed, even if it doesn't exist now, then it changes everything." [37:07]
• Jack Armstrong: "The time aspect is the crazy one. How would you ever know on some other planet?" [41:34]

Frank's arguments focus on the statistical probability of life existing elsewhere in the universe versus the challenges in detecting it, given the vast distances and temporal scales involved. The conversation touches on the limitations of our current technological capabilities and the philosophical implications of potentially being alone in the cosmos.

6. Final Thoughts and Lighthearted Banter

The episode concludes with a lighter segment celebrating Katie's birthday, interspersed with playful remarks and reflections on topics discussed.

• Katie: "It's my birthday, and all I want is for Eli to be taken down." [19:57]
• Jack Armstrong: "Happy birthday, Katie. 29 forever." [44:21]

The hosts wrap up the episode by tying together the day's discussions, reiterating their key points, and sharing personal anecdotes, reinforcing the dynamic and engaging chemistry that characterizes Armstrong & Getty.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Jack Armstrong: "California's high speed rail, it's a huge disaster, but nobody's ever done anything about it." [05:00]
• Katie: "Ezra Klein is saying this has gotten off the rails, it is really off." [06:07]
• Jack Armstrong: "Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government... [the act] is now classified as terrorists." [29:20]
• Katie: "If they ever discover life anywhere or that it had existed, even if it doesn't exist now, then it changes everything." [37:07]
• Jack Armstrong: "The time aspect is the crazy one. How would you ever know on some other planet?" [41:34]

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Conclusion

In this episode of Armstrong & Getty On Demand, the hosts tackle a range of pressing issues from local controversies and state-wide economic policies to national immigration laws and universal questions about extraterrestrial life. Through engaging dialogue, they provide insightful analyses, supported by current events and expert opinions, offering listeners a comprehensive overview of each topic's complexities and broader implications.

Transcript

[Announcer]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty.

[Announcer]

And now here's Armstrong and get.

[Katie]

A high school basketball coach in New York State was fired Friday night for.

[Jack Armstrong]

Shocking behavior after his team lost a state championship game.

[Katie]

An NFHS network live stream shows Northville.

[Jack Armstrong]

Girls head coach Jim Zullo yanking the ponytail of one of his players. Zullo, who is 81 years old, told our Albany station W10 the player had.

[Katie]

Cursed at him after he told her to shake hands with the other team.

[Jack Armstrong]

Police are now looking into whether charges should be brought.

[Katie]

I'm not pro ponytail yanking, but that detail at the end I was unaware of. So they lost the state championship and one of his players wouldn't shake hands with the other team. You don't get to yank her poetail, but that's not cool. No, no. Show some sportsmanship.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, you have. If. If that's true. You have. Well, she cursed him when he said, hey, we got to shake their hands.

[Katie]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't curse the coach, especially over that. Katie, you saw the video. I saw the video. Oh, you saw the video. I knew somebody saw the video.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, yeah.

[Katie]

How hard does he yank the ponytail? Hard.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hard enough to be wildly inappropriate. Yeah, her whole body jolted back when he did that. So you have two people doing bad things, but as a coach, probably, you know, half crazed old man who's lost control of himself, you need to be out of coaching. 82, if indeed it's all true. The kid was way out of line. Kids these days, modern children, blah, blah, blah. Very bad. And he needs to be out of coaching. Both are true. So it occurs to me, Michael, do we have, like. Didn't we used to have a theme for like, a California update or something? I know we've got California's crumbling, but didn't we have something like with the Beach Boys or. Can't even remember. You just have metal guy in California's crumbling. Ready? Well, we'll ease into it with this clip of Bill Maher and Ezra Klein, the insufferably lefty journalist behind Vox. Is that what he started up anyway? Yeah, but he.

[Katie]

Yeah, he's a big columnist for the New York Times now. Yeah, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay. Good for him. But that is what he's doing these days. I thought this was an interesting exchange. California high speed rail, it's a huge disaster, but nobody's ever done anything about it. If you tried to build it again, it would go the exact same way. We, I think we first passed it in 2008. I think they just voted about something about it. Again, it's projected just give up just to, just, just to build, I think from Bakersfield to Merced. Who the hell wants to go from Bakersfield to Merced?

[Katie]

And they couldn't do that.

[Jack Armstrong]

And the people building it were perfectly clear with me. Look, this doesn't work if we don't do LA to San Francisco and they don't have the money to do LA to San Francisco and they don't have the regulatory structure to do it. They have been clearing. They started clearing the rail track through environmental review. The whole point of high speed rails is good for the environment. Right. They started clearing it through environmental review in 2012. By the end of 2024 it was almost done. The reviews were almost done. And the thing that bothers me about it indigenous we didn't get high speed rail is they didn't change it. Right. Okay. Huge failure. Learn something. Make it so it won't happen again.

[Katie]

Wow. When, when Ezra Klein is saying this has gotten off the rails, if you pardon the expression, it is really off.

[Jack Armstrong]

The rails, there isn't a sane defense for it. I have not heard and I'm wrecking my memory because I want to be, I want to be accurate about this. I don't think I have heard a single person advocating for the so called high speed rail project who is not personally profiting from it for a very, very long time.

[Katie]

Well, I would like to say somebody mark this down years from now when it's still being built and billions of dollars of taxpayer dollars are still being poured into it, that we played this clip today where Bill Maher and Ezra Klein were mocking the idea that it continues. I'd be shocked if two years from now, for instance, they're still not pouring billions of dollars into it.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, it's funny. I'll give you a glimpse into my psyche right now. Not the scary part. Yeah, I know. The fairly normal part. And I'm talking to the good folks now. I am. I'm feeling like it's almost silly to be indicting the high speed rail because it's a 1 inch putt. I mean it's, it doesn't need to be indicted anymore. It is universally recognized as a boondoggle, a failure, a ripoff and a fraud. And it continues. That's the weird judge the position. It's also continuing to squander billions of dollars.

[Katie]

Yeah, at a very high rate of expenditure. I would like to know where it ranks on a daily, monthly, yearly basis on terms of things we spend money on in the state. It'd be pretty high up there.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's got to be, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. And I said billions. It's tens of billions of dollars. It's just, it shocks the conscience. Anyway, there's no point in belaboring it. Everybody listening agrees. We agree. Ezra Klein agrees. And yet it continues. It's a good point, metal guy, and well said. So I got a little excited. I saw this on the Twitter that there is now 48% of the California electorate open to a Republican governor in 2026. 48%. But I mean, you would need every single one of those voters, you know, if turnout is more or less normal. And you would still lose because you only have 48% that's even open to Republicans. So I have put my excitement back on the shelf.

[Katie]

That's your excitement should be on the shelf. And like can be in front of the container of flour because it's going to be a while before we needed your optimism again because, like way up.

[Jack Armstrong]

High and back, like that giant stock pot you only use to build to make like chili for the opening day of the football season once a year. Yeah. Store it back there, your optimism. Right.

[Katie]

The little metal things for punching out Christmas cookies, you can put it back with those. It's going to be a while before you need it. Because if the generic candidate doesn't get to 50%. Because the generic candidate always does better than a real candidate. Because real candidates have flaws and personalities. If you're not even open to a generic, in your mind, perfect situation up to 50%, there's no chance.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. So I thought this was so interesting on a similar theme. And who am I quoting here? Credit where it's due. Oh, it's the Wall Street Journal. Tale of Two Jobs and I'm sorry, Tale of Two States on job creation. Democrats are slowly waking up to the fact that migration from blue to red states could become a political problem for winning the House of Representatives, which I thought was very interesting as people are self segregating. Seems so negative. Many people who can, and that's an important caveat, are going places they feel more welcomed and happy and living under governance that they like. And it's going to get worse. Judging by the Labor Department's latest state jobs report. Excuse me. Which shows that California lost jobs in nearly every industry in the year before Trump took office. The Bureau of Labor Statistics last week Released annual revised job numbers for states based on more complete data. Did you hear about this at all? No. No, I didn't either. Anyway, California gained a net 22,400 jobs from January 24 to January 25. All of the net new jobs were in government.

[Katie]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

And health care, social assistance and private, often higher education, which rely to a large extent on government funding. And there were big losses in construction, manufacturing, information, finance, professional and business services, leisure and hospitality, retail. The growth was government and those other areas that I was talking about. Private businesses shed jobs in the year, including almost 29,000 less in construction, 33,4 fewer in manufacturing and go on non tens of thousands in various industries. Some job results are a result of small businesses closing because of high taxes and other costs. These include California 1650 an hour minimum wage, $20 for freaking reason for fast food restaurants. Well, that's because the SEIU wanted to unionize them. And the state's Private Attorney's General act lets try. Lawyers extort small businesses by filing dubious lawsuits for alleged labor violations. It's just like the wheelchair Nazi thing.

[Katie]

Yeah, but.

[Jack Armstrong]

But it's labor violation nazis. Most businesses pay off the attorneys in settlements because defending against the lawsuits, frivolous though they may be, would cost even more. Then you've got large companies relocating workers to lower and tax. Lower tax and cost states. Texas during the same period added 188,000 jobs in a year, with gains spanning all industries, including 19 20,000 more in construction. Wow. 4,200 more in manufacturing, information, 19,000 more in finance, professional, business, services, another 20,000. Leisure and hospitality 11, 3. Retail 14,000.

[Katie]

So not just government and health care.

[Jack Armstrong]

No. The Lone Star state only added about a quarter as many jobs in health care, social assistance and private education as California. Texas spent about $50 billion on health and human services compared to California's 228.

[Katie]

Oh my God, those statistics are unbelievable.

[Jack Armstrong]

Can Katie, can you come up with the populations of California and Texas? I mean, because Texas has less population, but that is almost. It's just over a fifth.

[Katie]

I'm gonna guess, I'm gonna guess California is what, 34. And I'm gonna go with I think.

[Jack Armstrong]

It'S close to 40.

[Katie]

Okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, but it's your guess. Look at me hoarding in on your guess. What an idiot. Sorry.

[Katie]

And then Texas, I'm going with 27.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, we have 39. And I like your 27.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, 39.4.

[Katie]

Okay, you're definitely right in California. So we got 40 million people in California. Holy cow.

[Jack Armstrong]

And Texas 31.2. Okay, okay. All right. So three quarters as many people, roughly. And again, Texas spent $50 billion on Health and Human Services. California, $228 billion.

[Katie]

Well, on the other numbers, though jobs added. It works in reverse. It's amazing that Texas, with 3/4 the population, added that many more jobs than California did.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, indeed. And. And they mentioned in the Wall Street Journal a point that I've been trying to hammer home for years, but now.

[Katie]

Let'S do Rhode island and Connecticut.

[Jack Armstrong]

That'll be fun. And this is. This is wasted breath and I shouldn't bother, But California's economy. Well, this is one preliminary point then to the thing I hammer all the time. California's economy is also becoming more dependent on government spending, including federal funds, which totaled $162 billion last year. Stock market corrections, slowdown in federal funding could open big, gaping budget deficits that might force cuts in government spending layoffs. And certainly the coming pension crisis will arrive sooner.

[Katie]

Right. So it's a perpetual motion machine. If it weren't for one thing, to where all the growth is in government and government expenditures. And you just keep going. The problem is the classic problem always with socialism. Pretty soon you run out of other people's money. The people that are paying for this are realizing, I'm not paying for this perpetual motion machine anymore. I'm moving somewhere else.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then here's the same old song you hear from me, and I'll keep it brief. The Wall Street Journal editorial board points out that one problem for Democrats in Sacramento is that the progressive tax reg, the effective top marginal rate of 14.5%, has made the state budget increasingly dependent on high earners whose incomes are voluble volatile. Rather, the top 1% of earners contribute about half of the state's income tax revenue. Wow. And not only is it incredibly volatile, so you can't count on study numbers for budgeting purposes, but as I've said many times, if you narrow the tax base that much, those who pay for the waste will never have enough votes to end the graft and waste. And that is what Gavin Newsom and the Democrats and the unions and the trial lawyers are counting on. It's a great scam. It's very successful. I congratulate them on their evil and their cleverness.

[Katie]

Well. And every time that 1% that's paying half decides to get a new zip code that's in a different state, that's a huge blow. We got a lot more on the way.

[Jack Armstrong]

Steer Armstrong and Gettysburg.

[Announcer]

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[Katie]

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[Katie]

It's my birthday, and all I want.

[Jack Armstrong]

To see happen on my birthday is.

[Katie]

For Eli to be taken down. Yes, that's a representative, Jasmine Crockett. Apparently, there's an attempt to organize. Organize some sort of Tesla boycott for Friday. What would that be? I mean, you don't buy a car very often, so I've. I've boycotted every car maker there is for the past three years, for instance.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. Yeah. I'm sure they'll have exciting rallies where they chant stuff and wave placards or something.

[Katie]

Wow. I might be getting a different Tesla. It'd be awesome if it happened to coincide with that day.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'd love to drive it off the.

[Katie]

Lot the day everybody's protesting. I saw an op ed in New York Times. Some ridiculous thing about, is it okay to buy a Tesla now? You know, that sort of thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, Lord.

[Katie]

Whatever.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, people losing all the elections. You're noxious.

[Katie]

Attorney General Bond Bondi said this about Crockett.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is domestic terrorism. And, Maria, now you have this Congresswoman.

[Joe Getty]

Crockett who is calling for attacks on Elon Musk on her birthday. Let's take him out on my birthday, she says. Yet she turns and says, oh, I'm not calling for violence. Well, she is an elected public official, and so she needs to tread very.

[Jack Armstrong]

Carefully because nothing will happen to Elon Musk.

[Katie]

All right. I don't like Crockett.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's almost an abbreviation for croc.

[Katie]

Oh, it is?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Katie]

I want to get this on. It's kind of funny. This is from Donald Trump's Twitter feed, came out today. Nobody likes a bad picture or painting of themselves. I've never had a painting of myself, but the one in Colorado in the state capitol, put up by the governor, along with all the other presidents, was purposefully distorted to a level that even I perhaps have never seen before. The artist also did President Obama and he looks wonderful, but the one on me is truly the worst. She must have lost her talent as she got older. In any event, I would much prefer not having a picture than having this one now.

[Jack Armstrong]

I haven't seen it. Have you?

[Katie]

Yeah, I'm looking at it and it's, it's not, it's just not. It just doesn't look like him. I mean, it's bad from the standpoint of it just, he just, it looks like a heavier, younger him. It's not a very good likeness.

[Jack Armstrong]

So it's not like cartoonishly, you know, insulting.

[Katie]

No. And he talked about how everybody's so unhappy with it and they need to take. What a funny, funny thing with everything he's got going on domestically and around the world to put out a really long statement about how he's really unhappy with the painting they have of him in the Colorado State House.

[Jack Armstrong]

He's the anti Churchill. He stops to throw rocks at every dog that barks. To paraphrase the great Brit. Yeah, he's actually. So where, where are we on Venezuelan gang members getting heaved out of the country? Tom Holman, he's going wild. We'll give you an update on all of that stuff coming up in seconds. Stay with us. Armstrong and Getty.

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[Katie]

That's Tom Holman who's been put in charge of kicking out violent gang members or really anybody who's here illegally. Our officials show stance seems to have landed on. Politically this is a win. Booting people out left and right no.

[Jack Armstrong]

Matter what they try to tell you on the news.

[Katie]

Yeah, politically it is a win. Legally. Constitutionally, we got to make sure there's due process and all that sort of stuff because that's what we do.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I would agree. I think it is not at all implausible. The Trump administration's leaning on the Alien Enemies act, which we can get into in a moment or two. But. But yeah, we agree. Look, if anything happens without due process, it starts to make me nervous because, you know, if by some horror of happenstance, a JD A JB Pritzker of Illinois or a Gavin Newsom became president and they decided to unleash whatever evil schemes they had, you know, I want due process to stand in the way of them, you know, screwing over innocent Americans. But anyway, we'll talk a little bit more about the Alien Enemies act, if for no other reason than it's got a great name, in a moment.

[Katie]

Well, there was a story floating around social media over the weekend, I think the New York Times had it, actually, of some dude that was absolutely not a gang member and got caught up in this and was there being treated horribly back in his home country and sought asylum and blah, blah, blah. I didn't drill down on that, but I'm sure that will work its way through the court system.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, to whatever extent we can avoid that sort of thing. I mean, who could be against that? Unless it paralyzes the actual removal of all of the nasty, murderous, rapey gang members.

[Katie]

Well, that's the goal, certainly from some people. It's like, it's like, you know, the, the lawsuits over sodium pental, whatever it is you give to execute people, you, your ultimate goal was to not have any executions. This is just a particular individual way to stop it legally. And I have a concern that that's what the goal is for a lot of people.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, I think you're right. Yeah. And I heard a lot of this alleged gang member was a young father. He was liked by his neighbors and he. Blah, blah, blah. Look, if he was in trendy Aragua, I don't care if he was the loving father of five in a local volunteer softball coach. It doesn't matter. It's immaterial. So you know what? I want to get in.

[Katie]

Polling would show that even if you weren't in the gang, but if you were here illegally, people want you gone.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't rely on polling. I rely on what's right. He says without a hint of self righteousness. I thought it was so interesting. A couple of things about the Alien Enemies Act. First of all, the news media is making a big deal about Trump relying on a law from 1798. Oh, the stupid ancient law. And it's unconstitutional. Well, that was 1789. Are you in favor of like super old established precedent? Or are you not, you idiots? But again, I don't think their reading of the law is at all implausible. Some folks have made a big deal of the fact that we haven't declared a war, and the act is for a state of war. Let me read it to you. Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government. See, there you have it. Well, wait a minute, there's more. Comma, or. Any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted or threatened, against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, all natives, citizens, denizens. I like the word denizens. Or subjects of the hostile nation or government who shall be within the United States, not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and booted the hell out. Well, it says and removed. His alien enemies. So what is. What is a predatory incursion?

[Katie]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

When Maduro of Venezuela knows full well.

[Katie]

Who he's exporting, I start calling my son a denizen. I usually go with hoodlum or derelict. You wear those pants, you look like a derelict. I'll say denizen.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, now, that just means, like, person front. But anyway. Oh, so what is a predatory incursion? I'm fine with letting the courts decide. Or Congress can step and say, hey, we got to amend the act. And then now we. Here's some more specific wording. That's fine. That's the way the legal system's supposed to work. And if there's some guy who's not actually a gang member, he's just a humble Venezuelan who hates freaking communism and wanted to make a start in the US I don't like him being booted out without due process. But again, there are going to be mistakes made. And as you do the right thing, there have been loads of mistakes and dead people when we're doing the wrong thing. So, hey, it's not a good thing that maybe an innocent gets caught up in this. And I know you yelling, he's an illegal, boot him out. Okay, fair enough. How do you make an omelet?

[Katie]

You gotta break some huevos.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a good point. Uh, but anyway, just, we gotta work our way through this. And honestly, you know, a single circuit court judge making a stupid decision, I'm not threatened by that because we have an appeals process. And I don't know if you've heard, we've got a really good Supreme Court sitting right now. So anyway, if you've heard that. No, this is crazy. It's Outrageous. It's illegal. No, it ain't. Oh, that's right. I wanted to get to Tom Holman addressing the, the, the statement by the media and people on the left that a lot of these people don't have criminal convictions. They're not convicted of being gang members. How. How dare you. Clip 54. Most terrorists we arrest that are identified US government are later identified through a Title 3 investigation or through an undercover operation. They're not in any terror screening basket screening database. We know that many gang members don't have a criminal history issue. We have a count on social media. We have a count of surveillance techniques. We had to count on sworn statements from other gang members. We had to count on, you know, Wiretaps and Title 3. Everything involved with the criminal investigation come into play. Putting aside the fact that Tom Holman sounds like a punch drunk prize fighter and is difficult to understand at times, he is absolutely crazy knowledgeable and smart. It's funny. I don't know. He needs some speech.

[Katie]

He has a little mush mouth like he's just had a few too many drinks. Just, you know what you got to do. These people you got to blow up.

[Jack Armstrong]

But his point is no. You can figure out who's a gang member without having them convicted. And they're foreign, they're illegal, they're in the country. They're nasty. We're getting rid of them.

[Katie]

Polls really well too. Again, politically, people don't like illegals in the country.

[Jack Armstrong]

If I'm asked to follow the laws and regulations of the United States, I am just fine with everybody else doing the same thing. It's as simple as that. They make me follow the rules or they threaten me with fines and jail and all sorts of other things or loss of reputation. My boss will get rid of me if I bring disrepute upon the organization. And yet those people are allowed to be completely lawless. People don't like that.

[Katie]

We will finish strong. Next.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Katie]

Elon. When a random kid approaches me, I.

[Jack Armstrong]

Just assume he's mine. I'm not familiar with the concept of confession signs.

[Katie]

I'm not either, but I went with it anyway. I don't know how many of you know who Adam Frank is, if you ever listened to him or read any his books. He's apparently pretty well known. I don't think I'd ever heard of him before. He's an American physicist, astronomer and writer. Written several books. And I took in a long podcast. He was on Friedman's. Lex Friedman's podcast here. They talked for like three and a half hours. It's amazing that those podcasts do as well as they do. But anyway, there's some really interesting stuff on there that I had never heard or thought about before. Particularly, they got into the conversation of whether or not there is any other life anywhere in the universe, which is one of my favorite topics. And he made the point, which is obviously true, but I never really thought of it, that if they ever discover life anywhere or that it had existed, even if it doesn't exist now, then it changes everything it goes from. We might be the only life that is accepted in. In the universe. Two, it's all over the place. I mean, because just. Just finding it anywhere else would lead you to believe that, okay, it can happen more than once. This isn't a one off. Okay, now we're off to the races. It's all over the universe.

[Jack Armstrong]

And what does that mean, given the many billions of possibilities where it could be? Sure, yeah.

[Katie]

First of all, he had this info. I didn't know that the recent info is this. I don't know how many people know this. There are are at least as many stars in the universe as there are grains of sand on planet Earth. They use that as a rough number just to give you an idea of how many stars are. Every star has at least one planet.

[Jack Armstrong]

So there's like a thousand stars.

[Katie]

There are. The numbers are amazing. But every one of those grains of sand stars out there has at least one planet. One out of five of them are in the habitable zone, at least the right distance from the star that we believe life could occur. So the numbers on that is there have been/r10 billion trillion planets that meet the criteria for life. 10 billion trillion, which obviously is an unimaginable number. And his argument was you have to believe it's either more likely than 1 in 10 billion trillion or less likely than 1 in 10 billion trillion that life could exist somewhere. And as Long as you think it's more likely than 1 in 10 billion trillion, then there's life out there somewhere. Yeah, which is an interesting mathematical way to look at it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hasn't, hasn't the idea that. No, no, Earth is completely unique. Been kind of hip in science circles for a little while now.

[Katie]

Lately I feel like there's a lot more scientists. I think this is why he was out talking about this. Lately I feel like there's a lot more scientists thinking I don't think there's any more life out there. And then there's the Fermi paradox, which we talked about a couple of weeks ago. As a famous scientist who once said, well then where is everybody? The idea if there was teeming life out there, have we not heard from anybody, seen one bit of information about it ever? Just seems odd, doesn't it? Now this guy that I was listening to, he said the amount of the universe that we have like explored or reached out to or could have heard from is the equivalent of a bathtub full of water out of the entire ocean on Earth. So it's a very tiny amount that we've explored.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. And then you have the problem of across time. I mean you had an intelligent civilization exist for a hundred million years, but that was 300 million years ago.

[Katie]

Right? I'm glad you brought that up because that, that is one of it. Because one of the things, because it could be that. And he made the point that you could have had a civilization as sophisticated as ours on this planet earth that lasted 10,000 years, but if it had been 100 million years ago, there'd be no sign of it whatsoever. I mean, because just the way things deteriorate, there would be, there'd be no way of knowing if we had one of those, a 10,000 year civilization flying around, living their life, doing their things, whatever reason destroyed itself, that we'd have no way of knowing on our own planet. So how the hell are you ever going to know on some other planet?

[Jack Armstrong]

So this might be like the second time we've developed the Internet and AI.

[Katie]

To destroy ourselves or the fifth or what? Who knows what.

[Jack Armstrong]

But, but according to that guy, you're never going to see the Statue of Liberty poking out of the sand and realize it's a planet of the apes, right?

[Katie]

My, the time aspect is the crazy one. That's where it gets really weird because human beings, we, we've had sophisticated civilization for a blink of an eye. And so that, that's when it gets weird because you look at some planet that's been there for 4 billion years and at any point it could have had a civilization and then it disappeared. How would you ever know? Anyway, brought me to this and I'm gonna check this out. Are you familiar with the TV series the Expanse? I haven't seen.

[Jack Armstrong]

I am not, no.

[Katie]

It's one of those streaming series, but.

[Jack Armstrong]

The so many series.

[Katie]

The idea of it is like Elon wants to do colonizing Mars, but. But it colonizes a whole bunch of different planets and it follows the how things would play out from there.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ah.

[Katie]

And it sounds pretty interesting. Kind of like politically, human nature wise, where you'd have. I mean like he asked the question, if Mars gets colonized, at what point would the people of Mars say hey, you don't get to tell us what to do anymore. We're gonna do our own thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

No colony would ever do that.

[Katie]

None. Yeah, exactly. None. None of your business how we decide to live here, for instance.

[Jack Armstrong]

And by the way, we're kind of full up. So stop sending rockets here because we'll shoot them down.

[Katie]

We're not accepting anymore.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Katie]

At what point does that happen? And then if you have multiple planets, like I guess this TV show is about, then you get into, you know, that planet over there has got more nitrousium, which we need. How about we go take it? Yeah, I think we can take it. And they can't stop us.

[Jack Armstrong]

Of course. Me sitting on a whole hotbed of nitricium. I'm going to make an alliance with that planet over there and say, you come over here, we're going to whoop your ass.

[Katie]

Yeah. Obviously there's no reason to think human nature wouldn't just expand to the very same situation.

[Jack Armstrong]

Of course it would.

[Katie]

Yeah, of course it would.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's final Thoughts. I'm strong again.

[Katie]

It's final Thoughts.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's final Thoughts. I'm strong again.

[Joe Getty]

Get ready with K. Green and Michael Angelo.

[Katie]

It's final Thoughts. I'm strong.

[Jack Armstrong]

And that. That's when I put on a tri cornered hat. And we have a demonstration where we throw all the nitrousium in the bay to make a point.

[Katie]

Right. Here's your host for final Thoughts, Joe Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

So many people to thank, so little time. Whoops. That's a little premature. Let's get a final thought from everybody on the team to wrap up the day. There he is. Michelangelo, lead us off, sir. Happy birthday, Katie. It is Katie's birthday.

[Katie]

So happy birthday.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes.

[Katie]

29 forever.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, I love you for that.

[Katie]

Thank you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh boy, that's watching you Grow, Katie. Very, very.

[Katie]

You're 36. I am. God, you do not look 36.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Wow, guys, thank you. Katie, a final thought on this, your natal day. That's.

[Bobby Bones]

That's it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm. I'm grateful to still be here. Yeah. Amen to that. Jack, final thought you'd like to share.

[Katie]

Like, for instance, they colonize Mars. You get a population going there, and they decide, you know, we want to be a patriarchy that only allows this religion. What, are we gonna stop them because we don't think that's right. Or. I mean, how's that all gonna work out?

[Jack Armstrong]

Are you gonna send a space army up there to whoop them back into shape? Right. No. My final thought is NCAA basketball tournament related in that I was rooting for my alma mater, the university of Illinois, and they lost in a sloppy game against Kentucky. But it's a bunch of guys I've never heard of before in my life. They all transferred in through the transfer portal. They'll all be gone probably next season. It'll be a new collection of guys wearing the orange and blue, and I'll probably still root for them. But how long will the love affair with college sports last now that it's completely different?

[Katie]

I wonder. Armstrong and Getty wrapping up another grueling four hour workday.

[Jack Armstrong]

Go to Armstrong, you Getty dot. Many pleasures await.

[Katie]

See you tomorrow. God bless America.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and get it is the biggest pozzi scheme of all time. It's a huge disaster, but nobody's ever done anything about it. No, no, that's not what I was told. And we do not have to live like this. In fact, we cannot live like this.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, no joke.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm gonna call my lawyer. Gun. Angie Dundee is screaming. Stop it. It is over.

[Katie]

It is over.

[Jack Armstrong]

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