Your Machine Cut Of My Hand!!

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "Your Machine Cut Off My Hand!!"
Date: November 14, 2025
Host(s): Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty, with Katie

Episode Overview

This episode of Armstrong & Getty dives into legal and societal dilemmas surrounding AI-generated misinformation, explores evolving gender and social interactions in public spaces, and critically examines recent political and cultural developments. The show balances humor with incisive critique, notably featuring discussions about Senator John Fetterman’s health and candid memoir, landmark defamation lawsuits against AI, cultural claims about land and history, and frustrations with both major political parties.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Senator John Fetterman's Hospitalization & Memoir

[03:34 – 06:44]

• News Update: Senator Fetterman is in the hospital after a ventricular fibrillation; his pacemaker/defibrillator likely saved his life (03:34).
  • Katie: “If you thought my face looked bad before, wait until you see it now.” (03:34)
• Book Discussion: Fetterman's new memoir discusses his stroke, depression, and Senate experiences.
  • Joe: “The day after he got elected to the US Senate, he said he felt nothing and contemplated killing himself.” (04:59)
  • Katie: “He expresses an actual philosophy of government and governing in contrast to Kamala Harris's utterly unreadable farce of a book...” (06:10)
• They critique the New York Times’ negative review for missing the book's sincerity.

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AI, Defamation, & the Law

[06:44 – 16:41]

Wolf River Electric vs. Google

• Case Summary: Wolf River Electric (solar contractor) falsely defamed by Google’s Gemini AI, leading to lost contracts and a defamation lawsuit (06:44).
  • Katie: “It was made up by Google’s Gemini system…so [clients] were piling up cancellations because you can't unring a bell.” (07:27)
• Novel Legal Ground:
  • Lawsuits target content not created by humans (AI hallucinations) — who is responsible if there’s no human intent?
    • Joe: “The people that built these various AI machines, they have no idea why their thing hallucinates….it's the opposite of intent.” (09:03)
  • Katie: “You built a machine that chopped off my hand.” (10:14)
  • Joe: “Yeah, but it's not supposed to. I don’t know why it does.” (10:17)

Other Notable Defamation Lawsuits

• Examples:
  • Second Amendment talk show host misidentified as an embezzler by ChatGPT (10:52).
  • Right-wing influencer Robby Starbuck falsely linked to QAnon by Meta’s Llama; Meta settled the case (11:59).
  • Irish talk show host falsely accused of sexual misconduct by MSN’s AI-generated article (16:07).
• Settlement Trend:
  • Katie: “I suspect that if there is an AI defamation lawsuit where the defendant is vulnerable, it's going to go away. The companies will settle. They don't want the risk.” (15:34)
  • Joe: “If you can sue some AI thing for making something up and it cost you money, that might be the end of AI.” (09:03)

Broader AI Concerns

• AI "hallucination" unreliability:
  • Joe: “How many times have I been completely misled and maybe repeated things on the air that are just completely made up? I don't know.” (13:05)
  • Growing unease about trustworthiness and accountability for AI-generated content.

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Societal Issues: Race, History, and Land

[20:39 – 24:20]

History of Slavery & Land Acknowledgments

• Book Recommendation:
  • New book "The Zorg" discusses the slave trade, highlighting black Africans capturing and selling other Africans, a history glossed over by projects like 1619 (20:53).
  • Joe: “The captives were sold to white traders for gold and weapons and then fed into the plantation economy.” (23:10)
• Critical Discussion:
  • Katie: “The Marxists would tell you… they just did that because of settler colonialism… but they found a more profitable use for the slaves selling them.” (23:21)
  • On universal conquest/violence:
    • Joe: “Every square foot of land belonged to lots and lots of different people, practically everyone who took it took it violently.” (23:57)

Land Acknowledgment Satire

• Katie: “If you’re at a land acknowledgment, just say in a loud voice, who had it before them?” (24:47)
• Joe: “That’s fantastic. Who did they take it from? Oh, that's perfect.” (25:10)

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Gender Dynamics & Social Interactions

[29:35 – 39:10]

• Male-Female Interactions:
  • Growing discomfort and defensiveness in men-women interactions, especially in "woke" or urban parts of the country.
    • Joe: “Once I got away from California… interactions with a woman didn’t come off as weird and confrontational… They didn’t seem scared to death.” (29:35)
  • Katie adds that in other regions, normal cross-racial and cross-gender interactions are more relaxed (31:13).
• Gym Example:
  • Joe tells a story about asking a female gym-goer for lower body exercise advice. The woman initially brings up her husband defensively, then texts him detailed instructions anyway.
  • Joe: “As soon as she dropped that, ‘well, my husband,’ I thought, oh, you think I’m hitting on you. I’m not hitting on you. I’m just asking a gym question.” (37:28)
  • Katie: “That might have been her ego thinking you were hitting on her. I’ve used that…” (35:11)
  • Both agree societal anxiety and defensive postures hinder normal interactions, at least in certain places.
• Locker Room Satire:
  • Joe: “So in a public space, normal interaction, you should be kind of uncomfortable that a man has talked to you; in the locker room, guy there with a swinging dingus – if you're uncomfortable, there's something wrong with you. You're a bit of a transphobe, right?” (44:29)
  • Katie: “That is a great, great analysis of the hypocrisy of the whole intersectional madness thing.” (44:42)

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Political & Economic Critique

[44:42 – 50:48]

• Bipartisan Frustration:
  • Rich Lowry (National Review) on Democrats' healthcare narrative:
    • Joe (quoting): “We promised [Obamacare] would lower costs, and now it’s done the opposite, so it’s incumbent on Republicans… to support additional subsidies forever.” (45:34)
  • Critique: Despite Obamacare’s promises and cost increases, Republicans have offered no viable alternative.
  • The infamous John McCain thumbs-down vote on Obamacare repeal is lamented (46:24).
  • Katie: “If the Republican Party has to develop an alternative…Otherwise you don’t deserve to govern.” (47:15)
• Fareed Zakaria on Democratic failures:
  • Joe: “The places where this sort of thing is being tried is where it’s least affordable to live. Doesn’t anybody notice that?” (48:31)
  • They cite high spending but poor results in California, Illinois, and New York, especially in education.
  • Katie: “That should be the only answer Democrats have is spend more.” (49:51)
  • Joe: “It’s practically a political cliche: the evil party and the stupid party…it’s pretty close to true.” (50:03)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Katie: “You built a machine that chopped off my hand.” (10:14)
• Joe: “I’ve got all the smartest people in the world working on making a machine that doesn't chop off people’s hands and I can't.” (10:22)
• Joe: “The day after he got elected…he said he felt nothing and contemplated killing himself.” (04:59)
• Katie: “If you’re at a land acknowledgment…just say in a loud voice, who had it before them?” (24:47)
• Joe: “Once I got away from California…any interaction with a woman didn’t come off as weird and confrontational.” (29:35)
• Katie: “Grievance is the gasoline of the left.” (44:42)
• Joe: “If you can sue some AI thing for making something up and it cost you money, that might be the end of AI.” (09:03)
• Joe: “Every square foot of land belonged to lots and lots of different people, practically everyone who took it took it violently.” (23:57)

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Important Timestamps

• 03:34–06:44: Senator Fetterman health update and memoir discussion.
• 06:44–16:41: AI-powered defamation lawsuits, legal conundrums, and societal danger of AI hallucinations.
• 20:39–24:20: New African slave trade history book and skepticism towards simplistic blame narratives and land acknowledgments.
• 29:35–39:10: Gender relations and social unease in public spaces and gyms.
• 44:29–44:42: Satire on public anxiety over men, locker rooms, and intersectionality.
• 44:42–50:48: Critical review of both parties’ stances on healthcare, governance, and the "evil/stupid party" dichotomy.

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Episode Tone and Style

The Armstrong & Getty Show in this episode is sharp, witty, frequently self-deprecating, and unapologetically critical of sacred cows on all sides. The banter is quick, often satirical, and rooted in cultural and political skepticism. They mix deep dives into law and history with real-life anecdotes, always maintaining a conversational and accessible tone.

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For full context and humor, listeners are encouraged to check out the full episode via Armstrong & Getty On Demand.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Katie]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Joe Getty]

And now here's Armstrong and.

[Katie]

Senator Fetterman remains hospitalized for observation. And so the doctors can fine tune his medication after a fall caused by what's called a ventricular fibrillation. That's a serious cardiac event, which the Mayo Clinic says is the most common cause of sudden cardiac death. Essentially, the senator's heart momentarily stopped pumping blood to the rest of his body. Fetterman suffered a serious stroke in 2022 and afterwards was outfitted with a pacemaker. Def defibrillator. His probably saved his life. The senator suffered only minor facial injuries in the fall. Joking afterwards in a statement, quote, if you thought my face looked bad before, wait until you see it now.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. The sort of heart attack that usually is. That's the end. All of a sudden, your heart stopping. Anyway, he had.

[Katie]

Yikes.

[Joe Getty]

Because he's equipped with something that. That's wild. So his new book is out and getting a fair amount of attention.

[Katie]

Yeah, I was just going to bring that up. Yeah. It's said to be pretty sincere and disarmingly good.

[Joe Getty]

Well, the New York Times hated it in their book review because it didn't explain any of the how you reconcile that with Trump's this or that or whatever. And I know. Absolutely shut up. And it sounded pretty interesting to me. It might actually be a political memoir that he's writing, you know, very early in his career. That'd be worth reading.

[Katie]

Part of it is about his stroke and crushing depression. Right. He says he should have quit.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. The depression thing is interesting. The day after he won, got elected to the US Senate, he said he felt nothing and contemplated killing himself because he's just like, I just, I don't, I don't care. I don't want to do this job. I don't care about anything. Yeah. Not wild. Yeah.

[Katie]

Yeah. Huh.

[Joe Getty]

What an interesting dude he is. I'm surprised he's so heavy still. Just as watching him walk around in his shorts and his sweatshirt. He's a giant guy. I would have thought with all his health problems, that it had to been some way to get his weight down.

[Katie]

Yeah, you would think. And I would think with this latest scare, he would just resign and go live his life. Maybe. Although maybe he feels like he has a mission and he thinks, well, I don't know how much time I have left, so I'm newly motivated. Who knows?

[Joe Getty]

Well, a lot of the stuff that we beat him up for when he was running for Senate, how it was like one of the gonna be one of the worst things in U.S. history to have this person who'd never accomplished anything living off their mom become a US Senator, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But he was running against Dr. Oz. He is horrified by that himself. That's one of the reasons he needed to become a senator. He was just so disgusted with his life of doing nothing and accomplishing nothing.

[Katie]

Yeah. Yeah. Well. And I guess in the book, he expresses an actual philosophy of government and governing in contrast to Kamala Harris's utterly unreadable farce of a book, just to pick one point of comparison. But anyway, I might flip through it.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know.

[Katie]

Yeah, sends me a free copy.

[Joe Getty]

Hey, Hanson. I actually saw some tease of some clips he did. Katie Couric. Katie Couric, who used to be a big deal in news, has a podcast he was on with her, and she was really trying to corner him on a couple of things, and it looked pretty good. The clips I saw on Fox and Friends this morning. Maybe we could play those later.

[Katie]

So, on a totally different topic. Brought this up at the end of last hour and ran out of time, but here is this company in Minnesota, Wolf River Electric, which is, by the way, a great American success story. Four close friends started it in 2014 with their hammers in a garage, pretty much. And. And it's grown into the state's largest solar contractor. And these guys started noticing all sorts of. Yes.

[Joe Getty]

Wolf River.

[Katie]

Wolf River.

[Joe Getty]

It's quite a name.

[Katie]

Yeah, it's a cool name. There's probably a real Wolf River.

[Joe Getty]

That's what I was wondering. They just crafted, go in there and cast a line and catch a wolf.

[Katie]

Well, I assume so. Yeah. But anyway, so these guys, there they are, their mascot. So they started noticing they were getting a bunch of contracts canceled and were utterly mystified by this. Some longtime customers, and they researched it, tried to figure it out, and people kept saying, yeah, you know, you got busted by the state and had to pay a legal settlement for deceptive sales practices. And the guys were like, wa. Because they'd never been sanctioned by the state in any way. Nobody had ever accused them of that. But it was made up by Google's Gemini system. Uh, in fact, it delivered right at the top of the page, um, and mentions the legal settlement populated automatically when they typed Wolf River Electric in the search box. Um, and so cancellations were piling up because you can't unring a bell. So that these guys are desperately trying to get the word out. No, we weren't. Uh, but it was more or less fruitless. So the executives decided they had no choice but to sue Google for defamation. And. And it's one of six, at least six defamation cases filed in the US in the last two years over content produced by AI tools that generate text and images. And the interesting part of it. Well, there's a lot of interesting parts of it. But unlike other libel or slander suits, these cases seek to define content that was not created by human beings as defamatory. Which is a novel legal question. For one thing, there's no intent.

[Joe Getty]

Well, right. And from everything I understand about AI and I spend a lot of time reading and listening about AI the people that built these various AI machines, they have no idea why their thing hallucinates. They don't want it to. They wish they could stop it. They can't. So, I mean, so it's the opposite of intent. They're spending billions of dollars to try to figure out how to make it not do that. Because it's, you know, it's so damaging. If you can sue some AI thing for making something up and it cost you money, that might be the end of AI I don't see how you could continue to have AI if it can be on the hook for hallucinations.

[Katie]

Well, you would. If they. If their profit exceeds their losses. Simple as that. They would just have a fund. They would have to settle lawsuits all the time. Like, there are various businesses that get sued a lot, and they just. It's part of the, you know, the balance sheet. But anyway, Eugene Volok, the really fascinating UCLA professor, he's a great crusader for freedom of speech, says there's no question that these models can publish damaging assertions. The question is, who is responsible for that?

[Joe Getty]

Well, nobody.

[Katie]

First.

[Joe Getty]

There'S how you. Nobody. Nobody's responsible for it.

[Katie]

You built a machine that chopped off my hand.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, but it's not supposed to. I don't know why it does.

[Katie]

I want it to stop.

[Joe Getty]

I've got all the smartest people in the world working on making a machine that doesn't chop off people's hands and I can't.

[Katie]

Your machine chop off Mr. Getty's hand, yes or no? I would shout at you in court and the jury wouldn't even have to retire. They would render a verdict in my favor to your knees.

[Joe Getty]

But now you're working my side of the street that then I can't exist.

[Katie]

Unless their costs don't overrun their profits.

[Joe Getty]

So it goes around chopping off people's hands, but it's still profitable.

[Katie]

So what are you going to do? Yes.

[Joe Getty]

No. Yes. All right.

[Katie]

There was this talk show host who's a second big Second Amendment guy.

[Joe Getty]

He was.

[Katie]

He filed the first of the defamation cases in Georgia in 2023. Some journalist was asking about this guy that she wanted to interview him and. And ChatGPT blurted out that, yeah, the other thing you probably ought to know about him is he's been accused of embezzlement and he liked the poor, you know, Wolf river guys like I've never been accused of embezzlement. That case was dismissed because they noted the journalist had didn't trust the claim. It quickly was verified not to be true, but that that sort of law is absolutely evolving. Robby Starbuck filed in April against Meta. The right wing influencer known for his campaign against DEI has been incredibly affected. He's a hero for that. He was scrolling around on X, he found an image containing false information about him that had been generated by Llama, one of Meta's AI chatbots. Has Llama come and gone? Is it returned to the Andes? I've never heard of Llama.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

I have. I just downloaded Gemini yesterday. So now I have Grok Gemini, Claude and Chat GPT that I will compare for everything I ever ask.

[Katie]

So anyway, the, the Ex post said that Mr. Starbuck was in the U.S. capitol during the January 6th riots and had ties to QAnon. And Mr. Starbuck says, I was in Tennessee at home and I have nothing to do with QAnon. Meta settled in August without ever formally responding to the complaint.

[Joe Getty]

My concern about hallucinations, because I caught. I think it was Chat GPT. I don't remember which one. One of them actually made up something and I was talking about, I was asking it questions about Ulysses, which I'm still reading. And just because I'm reading the book, I knew it was wrong. I mean it completely made something up that was just made up and. But because I knew the subject matter, I knew that how all the other things I've asked these various chat bots about that I Don't know much about how many. How many times have I been completely misled and maybe repeated things on the air that are just completely made up? I don't know.

[Katie]

It's an unknown.

[Joe Getty]

Unknown. Yeah. How often do we buy this sort of stuff? So you, you know, you check, is Tylenol okay to take with chocolate pudding or whatever, and it tells you, you know, no. 5 times out of 10, it gives you a heart attack.

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[Katie]

That's an imperfect metaphor, partly because that's. That's like physical damage to people, and the laws are pretty plain on that. And also, people wouldn't drink your soda if word Got out. I mean, it's not a completely off metaphor, but here's this professor at Syracuse who specializes in media law said she expected the few, if any, of these cases would make it to trial. A verdict finding that a company is liable for its output of its AI models could lead to a huge flood of litigation from others who discovered falsehoods about themselves. Well. Oh, oh, oh, oh, I'm sorry. Her last sentence is the key one. I suspect that if there is an AI defamation lawsuit where the defendant is vulnerable, it's going to go away. The companies will settle that. They don't want the risk. Risk. So they will be settled.

[Joe Getty]

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[Katie]

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[Katie]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Katie]

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[Joe Getty]

We might be at war with Venezuela soon. Finally Venezuela is gonna get what they've had coming for some time. I don't know what we're gonna do there. Give me something to watch though. Want to tell you about this new book that I might actually read. I read a lot of books. This is called the Zorg, A tale of greed and murder that inspired the abolition of slavery. Zorg was a slave ship. It's a horrible story, just a horrible story in which they've got this slave ship that's headed to the new world from Africa, as happened so often, and they get into some problems, a storm, etc. The slaves are all dehydrated and dying and he decides to throw them all overboard and drown them because the insurance claim would be cheaper than the loss on the health of the slaves when they got there.

[Katie]

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[Joe Getty]

Horrible, right? The point of this book. Well, not the point of the book, I shouldn't say that that's a scratch, that that's a wrong thing to say. The point really is how awful slave the slave trade was, which is not a surprise to anybody. But the reason the point of this column by John McCorter, Black Guy, writes for the New York Times that we really, really like is, is that this is going to be the first book about the slave trade that really brings to light how many black people in Africa were involved in selling other black people into slavery. And the first book that really treats it fairly because it happened a ton. And that's glossed over of course a lot by the 1619 project and all those other different things according to this particular book. Now the, the, the, the people, the, the captains of the ship, the Zorg that threw the, the black slaves over and drowned them just for the insurance claim. They were white guys. Okay? So this is not like to try to make it all. It's all bad all the way around. The whole thing is bad. Plenty of bad.

[Katie]

Slavery was omnipresent.

[Joe Getty]

Slavery was omnipresent. And it was bad. And lots of bad people. But according to these historians, John Thornton and Linda Haywood, who. Who wrote the book in their study of the slave trade in the early 1600s, about 90% of the black Africans sold as slaves in English and Dutch North America during that period in. Had first been captured in war by fellow black Africans. 90%.

[Katie]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

The captives were sold to white traders for golden weapons and then fed into the hungry mob. The plantation economy here in the New World. And we all know that story from that point on.

[Katie]

Yeah. The Marxists would tell you. Well, they just did that because of settler colonialism. They were desperate or something. Something. No, they took slaves of conquest and war routinely. But they found a more profitable use for the slaves selling them, so they did that instead.

[Joe Getty]

Was that racism? See, that's the question. Slavery always come down to racism because inferior race, superior race, that sort of stuff. Was that racism?

[Katie]

What about Arabs, you know, enslaving Europeans and Arabs enslaving Arabs and Europeans enslaving other Europeans and I could go around the entire globe, but I think you'd probably get the message about 14 regions in.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, between that and land acknowledgment. Like ignoring the fact that every square foot of land is belonged to lots and lots and lots of different people, and practically everybody who took it took it violently.

[Katie]

Including the such and such tribe. You just tearfully recognized, you phony half wit. Right.

[Joe Getty]

Can we ever get to a place of honesty about all this stuff?

[Katie]

Hey, I just had a great idea. That's two great ideas in two days. The first one was the ruin the entire Country Newsom 2028 T shirt, which is now for [e-mail] People are really digging. I can't wait to get mine. My second great idea. Wait, it just flit it out of my head. That'd be a shame.

[Joe Getty]

Mix mayonnaise with Thousand island dressing.

[Katie]

That's it.

[Joe Getty]

No.

[Katie]

What were we just talking about?

[Joe Getty]

Slave trade.

[Katie]

Oh, right, right. Oh. Every time you're at a land acknowledgement, if you live in the sort of place that does that sort of thing, just say in a loud voice, who had it before them?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, that's perfect.

[Katie]

It's all you have to do.

[Joe Getty]

That is perfect. One quick sentence. I should. I got to teach my son that because that comes up in his classroom. Who had it before them prefer who.

[Katie]

Did they take it from?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's.

[Katie]

That's even better. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Who did they take it from? Oh, that's fantastic.

[Katie]

For the win.

[Joe Getty]

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[Katie]

Billion dollars to replace cops on subways with social workers.

[Joe Getty]

He says most of that money will.

[Katie]

Be used to pay for these social.

[Joe Getty]

Workers funerals.

[Katie]

Because they're going to be murdered on the subway. That's why they'll need funerals, because they've done that up. Oh yeah, if you have to explain a punchline, it's, it's a rough day at the office.

[Joe Getty]

So it's a weird time for the interaction between men and women. I don't know if you've noticed this or not. I feel it's not the same everywhere. I notice, remember this is a couple years ago, I did the long road trip with my kids and we were, we were on the road for like almost two weeks. But I noticed when I got into the normal part of the country, in my mind, I live in California, not the normal part of the country. When I got to the normal part of the country, it seemed like palpably noticeable that any interaction with a woman didn't come off as like weird and confrontational. Once I got away from California, like, they didn't seem to be Scared to death. Whether it's a person you're checking in with, the hotel or you ask a question to somebody on the street or whatever, that they feel like they're about to be raped.

[Katie]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

And it kind of fits in with that whole would you rather meet a bear in the woods or a man you didn't know? And whatever percentage of women saying a bear, this convincing all women that every man is out to rape them has not been good for society. I don't know social media or what, but it doesn't exist like in the middle part of the country. I mean it was noticeable. I wasn't looking for this, like I wasn't doing an experiment. It just became clear to me that like, wow, people aren't like, they're just answering. They don't like take a step back and get wide eyed because you asked a question. Right.

[Katie]

So you were not conducting an experiment. Like when you hung out in the woods in a bear suit for a week and then came back as, as yourself. That was good dataset though.

[Joe Getty]

So anyway, so I can't decide.

[Katie]

Is this a distraction from your topic or does it reinforce it in a way? You tell me. I had not been home to Chicago for quite a number of years, having lived in Northern California. And I went back and noticed that interactions between people of various races and myself were perfectly friendly and relaxed in the way that everybody's got their group and their grievance and their grievance. Studies in Cal Unicornia, it didn't exist. It's like everybody's really nice and nobody. Like I interacted with black folks who never for a moment gave off a whiff of what does whitey want out of me? No, I was like, hey, how you doing? I thought, wow, that's right.

[Joe Getty]

Now I remember I was leading up to the fact that I know it has had an effect on me where I'm scared to ask women questions and try to avoid it because I often get the kind of wide eyed, take a half step back like, oh, what's going on here? I've had that interaction enough. I live in a super woke town. So maybe it's worse even than like the rest of California where I live.

[Katie]

Yeah, that could be. Having spent a lot of time in rural California, I remember Katie.

[Joe Getty]

Go ahead, Katie.

[Katie]

Well, no, I'm, I'm just listening. I mean, I.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know.

[Katie]

Continue. Okay, well, you know the jiu jitsu. So it's different for you.

[Joe Getty]

I got lots of examples. But I remember this is a couple years I was Walking through the college campus of UC Davis and I was trying to find a particular building and I was walking and there was a woman on the sidewalk kind of next to me, like college age. I said, hey, do you know what direction is? And she got kind of wide eyed and walked this direction like that I had addressed her at all. You know, a strange man was asking her a question. Middle of the day, sidewalk, people everywhere.

[Katie]

Your pants weren't down, were they? Just, you know, making sure. Yeah, that would, that would startle someone.

[Joe Getty]

I just, I don't know, it seemed weird to me.

[Katie]

It's got to be a lefty thing.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway, I'm at the gym and I never really talked to anybody. But I'm working on my waist down now because my waist down is pathetic. Waist up, I'm okay.

[Katie]

Don't skip leg day.

[Joe Getty]

I have been my whole life. Waist down, it's just, it's a disaster, okay?

[Katie]

Like a man riding a chicken.

[Joe Getty]

And like in, like most men I've been doing this. And most of the men in the gym are also bulking up their other upper half and not their lower half for whatever reason the way men are like that. And all the women in there are the opposite. I guess because you care about your legs and ass more. I don't know.

[Katie]

It's the butt thing.

[Joe Getty]

It's the butt thing.

[Katie]

Yeah, but derriere. There are many nice words you could use, Jack, right?

[Joe Getty]

So I'm so rude, particularly wanting to work on my buttocks and I haven't. And I've been doing a variety of exercises, but none of them have made my butt sore. I want not an exercise that makes my butt muscles sore, that I get up the next day and my butt muscles are sore. So I know I'm specifically working on them. And there, there is a woman there is working, works out there regularly and she does lots of leg exercises. So I ask, I, I decided I was going to ask her, I said, do you have any exercises particularly you.

[Katie]

Could do to make my butt hurt? Oh boy. Yeah, this is taking a turn. You have a nice ass.

[Joe Getty]

How do you work out? That's not what I said. I said, I'm trying to figure out an exercise for my like lower body that makes my butt muscles sore. Do any of them like specifically work the butt muscles? And she said, and she is very nice and she gave me an answer. But she started with, and I've had this happen several times where she said, yeah, my husband's trainer. First words out of her mouth are my husband to make it clear that I've got a husband and. Which is fine, but is that the world we now live in? Any question about anything ever. We gotta draw the lines. We gotta get our. In the defensive position.

[Katie]

That might have been her ego thinking you were hitting on her. I've used that when I. A guy, like, I've been at a bar and he starts talking, starting to.

[Joe Getty]

Con a conversation, and I'll be like, oh, yeah, my husband. Just to be like.

[Katie]

Yeah. Correct me if I'm wrong, guys hit on women in gyms a lot.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, all the time. Yeah. God, I can't say at the time. I can't imagine doing that.

[Katie]

Yeah. So she probably thought you were approaching her and asking her that question because you were trying to hit on her and that was her gym. Can I buy you a drink?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, without a doubt. See, I don't see the gym that way, but maybe that's where I'm getting it wrong because I was about to say, well, in a bar. That makes sense. And I think it actually benefits both of you. I don't see it as like. I think it's a benefit to both of you. Okay, cool. You're married. I'm. I shouldn't waste my time here. I'll turn my attention elsewhere. I think it's beneficial to both of you to do that. Yeah, but I mean, but if a gym is. If people feel the gym is that way. Because I don't feel. I've never felt the gym is like a meetup place. I'm there to exercise and get the hell out of there as fast as I can.

[Katie]

A lot of people see the gym as a meet up place. Really? Okay.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway, she says, well, my. This is where it takes. Another different interesting thing to me was she said, you will. My husband's trainer suggested this exercise. And then she like goes into great detail to show me how to do it. And she said, give me your number and I'll text you the information. I said, okay. I wasn't gonna ask her for a number or give my number. I never would have done that in a million years because that's way too far down the road of. And I said, sure. And. And I gave her my number and she texted me the information and I said, thanks, like with a. Wow.

[Katie]

I did not see that. I know.

[Joe Getty]

Little chart with a little chart on how to do the exercise.

[Katie]

And here's some tasteful nude pictures of me. And also, I enjoy long walks at midnight and on the beach.

[Joe Getty]

I did do the exercise. And for the first time, my Butt muscles are sore. So I will continue that one because that's good. That's the right exercise for me to increase my buttocks.

[Katie]

I wonder if you suggest an exercise that would make my glutes sore as if you spanked me good in arms. Is that what you said? Door.

[Joe Getty]

Sometimes when I'm hanging from my sex chair, my quads get loose and I wonder if I could tighten them up. I wonder if there's. I never thought about this till now because I've been ruminating about this because I felt it made me feel really uncomfortable. As soon as she dropped that, well, my husband, I thought, oh, you think I'm hitting on you? I'm not hitting on you. I'm just asking a gym question. Yeah, it made me feel bad and. But then when she asked for my number and then sent me the thing and I said thanks, then she didn't reply at all. So she wasn't hitting on me by asking for a number. I thought, this is a completely non hitting on each other. Normal used to happen interaction between two grown ups. Like, I wasn't hitting on you, you weren't hitting on me. I asked you a question, you answered it like two grown ups that aren't trying to do anything else other than interact in the world. The, the interaction post, the her, you.

[Katie]

Know, my husband's trainer and then probably interacting with you, she probably went, okay.

[Joe Getty]

This is just a regular interaction.

[Katie]

Felt safe enough.

[Joe Getty]

Quickly talking to me, she realized I'm not like, yeah, I don't give up looking to hook up vibe, just sad old man. Just a sad old man with a flabby ass is what I'm talking to. So anything I can do to help him out?

[Katie]

Well, yeah, it was a very shorthand way of saying I'm faithfully married. Do you still want to know about the exercise? Yeah, that's fine.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, you think that's what it was? That's interesting. Absolutely. So if I had been hitting on her as soon as she mentioned her husband, I'd have been like, never mind.

[Katie]

And walked away or just acted not interested or you know, said something else. Something get that glazed look in your eyes that you weren't actually looking and she would know.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, but I mean if you were.

[Katie]

Acting genuinely interested in the exercise and.

[Joe Getty]

That was a legit question, then that.

[Katie]

That anxiety goes away.

[Joe Getty]

I'm sure it's tough to interact in the modern world. Well, certain places. In other places it's not. It's the same as it's always been.

[Katie]

So coming up, a conservative takes a shot at the Republicans and he's absolutely right. And a lefty takes a shot at the Democrats and he's absolutely right. I thought they were both pretty good takes.

[Joe Getty]

All right, I'm going to tease this again. At risk of being having things thrown at me.

[Katie]

No, don't even say it.

[Joe Getty]

They'd come across an Epstein email I thought was pretty interesting. No.

[Katie]

I'm with her. Say it again, sister.

[Joe Getty]

Well, my husband said he doesn't want to hear about the Epstein email.

[Katie]

Oh, never mind.

[Joe Getty]

I don't care about Epstein. Okay, we got all that coming up. Stay here.

[Katie]

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[Katie]

You're a bigot. Wow, that is a great, great analysis of the hypocrisy of the whole intersectional madness thing. Please. It's just loving being a victim.

[Joe Getty]

Loving grievance on both ends.

[Katie]

Grievances, the gasoline of the left. What's that?

[Joe Getty]

On both ends of that? Yeah.

[Katie]

Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. 100%. So a couple of things. I hope we can squeeze us in. If not, we'll continue on next hour. If you don't get next hour, grab it via podcast. Armstrong and Yeti on Demand. You probably ought to follow us or subscribe. Rich Lowry of the National Review, Great writer, great guy. Taking a shot at the Republicans after a quick shot at the Democrats talking about the big shutdown fight, but extending those Obamacare subsidies and that those ought to be, you know, continued in perpetuity. The party's position in effect, he writes, this is a great description. What the Democrats were trying to do was we passed a sweeping health care reform that we promised would lower costs, and now it's done the opposite. So it is incumbent on Republicans, in the name of all that is good and right, to support additional subsidies for the law forever.

[Joe Getty]

That's pretty good. And then he points I wish there was anybody that could have gone on one of those talk shows and made that point.

[Katie]

No kidding. Just one of them. Not to mention they should have messaging that all of them, though, how didn't.

[Joe Getty]

Somebody say to Kristen, welcome. Wait a second. On Meet the Press. Wait a second. So you're telling me the Affordable Care act, you need subsidies for people to afford it? Well, then apparently it wasn't very affordable.

[Katie]

Yeah, yeah. Unbelievable. And like that old Politico said many years ago, there are two parties in Washington, the evil party and the stupid party. Anyway, but then Rich points out, the GOP is so hopeless on health care, it will have trouble countering the argument. Fifteen years after the passage of Obamacare and after a major attempt to repeal it early in Trump's first term, they still lack a concrete alternative, the Republican Party.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's true. And that's bothered me from the beginning. But you realize we are just one but hurt John McCain thumbs down from changing all this. He was so angry at Trump for Trump saying, you know, in my opinion, heroes don't get captured. Which was an awful thing to say. John McCain was so mad about that he voted thumbs down when they actually had the momentum to do something about Obamacare.

[Katie]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Damn it.

[Katie]

Wow. As Avik Roy of the foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity points out. But Barry Obama ran for president, promising Obamacare would reduce premiums by as much as 2,500 bucks per family. That was every bit as dishonest of as if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. And indeed the costs have skyrocketed. Anyway, Rich has some suggestions, but yeah, the the Republican Party has to develop an alternative. They have to come up with a coherent message for what's wrong with Obamacare and then what to do about it. Otherwise you don't deserve to govern.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, but it would have the way but politically it would have to include covering the same number of people and I just don't know that that's workable.

[Katie]

Well, all right, we're doomed as a country then. And you're right, by the way. You're almost certainly right. And then I thought this was interesting. Undeniably a man of the left, the kind of center normal left Fareed Zakaria why Democrats Keep Flailing Voters aren't rejecting government, they're rejecting leaders who can't run it effectively. And then he writes, it's hard to see how the government shutdown and reopening is anything other than a defeat for the Democrats, a high stakes confrontation that ended with their own goals unmet and their message muddled. Blah, blah, blah. Shutdown reinforces the image of the Democrats as feckless. They promise wonderful sounding new programs, free childcare for example, but in fact preside over bloated bureaucracies and inept execution. If America has an affordability crisis tends to be in the place Democrats govern, like New York, Illinois, California, which all feature high taxes, soaring housing costs and stagnant outcomes in basic areas like education and infrastructure.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Good for you Fareed Zakaria, for writing that. It's so obviously true. The fact that that doesn't get commented on more often. The places where this sort of thing is being tried is where it's least affordable to live. Doesn't anybody notice that?

[Katie]

Well, and I could almost forgive that if the education was excellent for the poor little kids, for instance, if the streets were safe. If you know, if people could rise.

[Joe Getty]

Up roads well paved, mentally ill are all in hospitals because they're atopic opportunity for go getters.

[Katie]

Yeah, just all of it. And he goes into a fair amount of detail about how miserable New York has become fiscally and education and a bunch of other things. Under Mike Blair, after Mike Bloomberg left office and de Blasio took over and how it's going to be worse under Mamdani and the frightening amounts of money New York State spends, its spending has risen from roughly $70 billion in 2000 to $230 billion today, about twice Florida's expenditure, even though Florida has several million more residents. And he points out Illinois ranks among the top in public education spending, yet is middling in fourth grade reading and math scores at best.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. That.

[Katie]

That should be the only answer Democrats have is spend more.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, we need more money. The reason it's been Republican cuts to education is why we're failing, even though you're spending more money than it's ever been spent. That's maddening.

[Katie]

I know. It's it's practically a political cliche. But the evil party and the stupid party is it's pretty close to true.

[Joe Getty]

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[Katie]

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[Joe Getty]

Your kid could be part of the first generation to never suffer the rough touch of toilet paper on their tender tush. All thanks to new flushable Little Dude Wipes available in Bubble bum scent or fragrance free because we know little butts can make a big mess. But but with Little Dude Wipes you can keep your kids keister clean without the burn and debris toilet paper can leave behind on their behinds. Experience the confident clean of Little Dude Wipes available exclusively at Walmart nationwide.

[Jack Armstrong]

Want Black Friday prices without the crowds? Lowe's gets it. Shop their early Black Friday deals and beat the rush. $99 is all you need to grab a select 7 foot pre lit artificial Christmas tree for the holidays.

[Katie]

And don't sweat what gives to get dad.

[Jack Armstrong]

They have up to 40% off select tools and accessories going on now. That's how Lowe's celebrates Black Friday. Early selection varies by location while supplies last. This is an Iheart podcast.