You're An Idiot & I Won't Dignify That

Summary

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Episode: "You're An Idiot & I Won't Dignify That"
Date: November 12, 2025
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Notable Guests: Riley Gaines, Tish Hyman, Scott Wiener
Producer/Panel Contributions: Katie Green, Michelangelo

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the hot-button issues of social credit systems in society, the contentious debate over women's spaces and transgender rights, the troubling landscape of anti-Semitic sentiment on the right, and the influence of social media algorithms on public discourse. Armstrong and Getty approach these topics with their signature irreverent, sometimes caustic, yet incisive tone, sparring with each other and guests, and dissecting current cultural and political clashes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Social Credit Scores: From China to the Private Sector

(00:55–01:28, 14:21–17:22)

• Jack opens the episode by referencing China’s social credit system, noting the government’s surveillance and control over citizens’ behavior, expressing disdain for this in government hands but intrigue in private sector adaptation.
  • Jack: “I hate the idea of the government doing that, but I like the idea of the private sector doing it.” (01:17)
• The hosts outline how private companies are using similar systems, tracking consumer behavior (returns, no-shows) to impact services such as product returns and restaurant reservations.
  • Joe: “They call it a social credit score. It’s more like ‘A-hole credit score’.” (16:31)
  • Companies like OpenTable, Uber, and Airbnb were mentioned as already implementing such systems (17:01).
  • Both agree: in the hands of businesses, this is pragmatic, whereas a government-mandated credit system would be dystopian.

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2. Women’s Spaces, Trans Rights, and "Intersectional" Battles

(01:28–13:16)

• Riley Gaines Interview (01:28–02:33):
  • Shares personal accounts of being assaulted and threatened while speaking for women’s sports on college campuses.
    • Riley Gaines: “I was literally held hostage for five hours … all while university officials applauded the students for their brave behavior.” (01:49)
  • Jack and Joe decry the hostile reactions against Riley, framing it as fanaticism by parts of the "transgender cult".
    • Joe: “How else to describe a view so adamant and fevered … I mean, you are nuts.” (02:33)
• Gold’s Gym Incident: Tish Hyman confronts state senator Scott Wiener at a town hall after a traumatic encounter in a women’s locker room involving a trans woman with a violent past (04:06–09:06).
  • Tish Hyman: “We want to know, are you going to protect women? Not trans women, women, women … I was assaulted by men.” (05:32)
  • Wiener responds with ambiguous support for "all women," drawing criticism for conflating cis and trans women, and failing to protect biological women (08:39–09:06).
• Intersectionality & Identity Hierarchies:
  • The hosts and Tish Hyman highlight the conundrum where “victim hierarchy” in progressive circles leads to conflicts—pointing out trans identity often trumps other identities, even those historically prioritized on the left (06:06–07:51).
    • Jack: “Apparently trans trumps all of those other things.” (06:30)
  • The panel riffs with dark humor on how identity politics can become illogical and self-defeating.

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3. Retail Policy Changes as a Microcosm of Cultural Shifts

(14:21–17:22)

• The hosts revisit the shift away from generous “no questions asked” return policies at major retailers, speculating on the cultural and technological factors behind increased customer "scamming" and corporate tracking.
  • Jack: “How was Walmart, Costco able to get away with the no questions asked return policy for so many years … Something changed in the culture, maybe social media.” (14:21)
• They tie this back to social credit ideas and discuss the pros and cons, agreeing it enforces accountability but ought to remain in private hands.

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4. The Internet, Algorithms, and Content Bubble Concerns

(17:22–28:34)

• Discussion shifts to how online platforms’ algorithms shape both user experience and the incentives for content creators.
  • Joe: “The algorithm feeds people content that's similar to what they already like … penalizes you if you disappoint them.” (25:27)
• Both worry about being funneled into ideological bubbles, missing out on contrary views or broader perspectives.
  • Jack: “I wish, I hope there's a platform that in the future lets you flip off your algorithm … Turn off my algorithm and just give me what's popular for everyone.” (26:11)

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5. Anti-Semitism on the Right and Content Creator Incentives

(17:45–32:21)

• A Dave Portnoy pizza review is interrupted by anti-Semitic slurs, sparking analysis of the rise in public displays of hate and the role of internet subcultures, especially among younger conservative audiences (18:34–19:29).
• The hosts cite Batya Ungar-Sargon’s Free Press piece, which accuses some conservative influencers—motivated by algorithm-chasing—for normalizing extremists like Nick Fuentes to boost engagement (19:29–24:03).
  • Quote from Batya Ungar-Sargon via Joe Getty: “The left tarred everyone to the right of Joe Manchin as a Nazi … now far right content creators have decided to try to prove the left was correct …” (21:39)
• They discuss the complicated relationship between audience-driven content and real-world influence, warning against algorithm-induced radicalization.

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6. Nick Fuentes, Tucker Carlson, and the Mainstreaming of Extremism

(24:03–32:21)

• The episode scrutinizes the normalization of Nick Fuentes and similar figures within right-wing media, highlighting the transactional nature of online clout and the dangers of content creators pandering to fringe beliefs.
  • Jack: “Who wouldn't, interviewing somebody stop whatever … and say, let's do a dive into this whole you love Stalin thing.” (24:03)
  • Both express disgust at media outlets (like the New York Times) “elevating” Fuentes for political benefit, manipulating the narrative for clicks or partisan gain (31:13–31:41).

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7. The Epstein Files Release Drama

(32:21–34:35)

• Jack and Joe express frustration and confusion over the political theater surrounding the release of 23,000 Epstein-related documents, suggesting both parties are engaging in empty gestures with little real substance.
  • Jack: “I would get the nothing burger with fries because the nothing burger is not going to be very filling.” (34:18)
  • Both express exasperation at government priorities and the likelihood of substantive revelations.

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8. Algorithms and Daily Life: “Annoyed by Toasters and Tar Lessons”

(34:44–36:06, Final Thoughts)

• Michelangelo and Jack joke about their social media algorithms feeding them endless irrelevant content—food processors, toasters, espresso machines, and John Mayer guitar lessons—demonstrating the sometimes absurd impact of online personalization on real life.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You’re an idiot and I will not dignify that.” – Joe Getty, quipping at Jack’s locker room terminology confusion (03:02).
• “Apparently trans trumps all of those other things.” – Jack Armstrong (06:30) on identity politics hierarchies.
• “It's more like ‘A-hole credit score’.” – Joe Getty (16:31) describing the private sector’s twist on social credit.
• “We want to know, are you going to protect women? Not trans women, women, women... I was assaulted by men.” – Tish Hyman (05:32) forcefully reclaiming the debate on women’s spaces.
• “…Don't let them use our blackness and our civil rights as a reason to pass weird laws for children to transform.” – Tish Hyman (10:38), critiquing progressive appropriations of civil rights language.
• “Luckily, despite the best efforts of some podcasters, the GOP seems to understand that now. I certainly do.” – Joe Getty, summarizing Batya Ungar-Sargon’s relief at pushback against extremists (29:36).

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [00:55]–[01:28]: Introduction to Chinese social credit system and U.S. corporate parallels
• [01:28]–[02:33]: Riley Gaines recounts threats and hostility at college events
• [04:06]–[09:06]: Tish Hyman confronts Scott Wiener on women’s locker room safety
• [14:21]–[17:22]: Retail return policies and private sector "A-hole score"
• [17:45]–[21:39]: Dave Portnoy pizza incident; Batya Ungar-Sargon on anti-Semitism
• [24:03]–[32:21]: Nick Fuentes, Tucker Carlson, and poisonous content incentives
• [32:21]–[34:35]: The confusing Epstein document release
• [34:44]–[36:06]: Final thoughts on social media algorithms and the episode’s emotional takeaways

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Tone & Style

The hosts maintain a conversational, sarcastic, and occasionally edgy tone, punctuated by moments of genuine concern and moral clarity—especially regarding extremism, protected spaces for women, and media responsibility.

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In Summary

This episode spans the intersection of culture, politics, online influence, and personal responsibility. Armstrong & Getty dissect how public debate is being shaped by social media echo chambers, the weaponization of identity, and the dangerous incentives for content creators to pander to fringe views. Through interviews with Riley Gaines and Tish Hyman, the show spotlights the real-world stakes of these abstract debates, offering both biting critique and (at times) dark comedic relief.

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For listeners and non-listeners alike, this summary preserves the episode’s key arguments, memorable exchanges, and the flavor of Armstrong & Getty’s unique commentary style.

Transcript

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

So in China, they have something called a social credit score where the government keeps track of, like, how good a citizen you are. Do you pay your taxes on time and show up to work and do the stuff the Communist party wants you to do and everything like that?

[Joe Getty]

How obedient are you?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, and they keep track of that sort of stuff, and it plays a role in your life, trying to move jobs, get a different house, that sort of thing. I hate. I hate the idea of the government doing that, but I like the idea of the private sector doing it. And it's happening more and more, and we'll talk about that coming up.

[Joe Getty]

So, speaking of misbehavior, Riley Gaines has been an absolutely courageous spokesperson for women's sports, women's private places, and women's rights in general. And on college campuses where undergrads are majority women, the reception she's gotten has been absolutely horrific.

[Riley Gaines]

I have been in several environments, especially on these hotbeds, these college campuses, where I have been spit on. Of course, I mean, the most profane, obscene, heinous things yelled at me, drinks poured on me, glass bottles thrown at me. There was an incident in San Francisco where I was literally held hostage for five hours, where protestors, the mob, the angry, violent mob on the outside, demanded that I had to pay them money if I wanted to make it back home to my family safely. All while university officials, the dean of students, the vice president of student affairs at the university, they applauded the students for their brave behavior, saying that people like me with our dissenting viewpoints, we were the ones who were bas asking for this.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, the whole transgender cult thing. How else to describe a view so adamant and fevered that you would behave like that when a young woman was trying to protect women's sports and women's private areas like locker rooms and bathrooms and stuff? I mean, you are nuts.

[Jack Armstrong]

You don't mean her private area like her Yahoo.

[Joe Getty]

Good lord.

[Jack Armstrong]

You mean the space she's in?

[Joe Getty]

You're an idiot and I will not dignify that. Speaking of people standing up for women's rights, this is such an interesting little episode in the history of that Tish Hyman is the name of the black lady you may have seen heard who was aghast when she was barenaked at the Gold's Gym in Los Angeles and turned and there was a full grown man looking at her. And she told aforementioned fella to get the hell out. He said, I'm a w. He said, I'm a woman. I get to be in here. And started screaming at her that she was a bigot and misgendering him and the rest of it. We played you that well. Tish, to her credit, traveled north to the San Francisco Bay area and attended a town hall meeting being held by none other than the world's leading pervert, Scott Wiener, who hopes to hold Nancy Pelosi's congressional seat soon. And she, Tish was asking Scott about protecting women and it took some really interesting turns. We'll start with 70. Michael.

[Tish Hyman]

As a lesbian woman who was attacked in a woman's locker room at Gold's Gym this week by a self identifying trans woman with a documented history of domestic violence. I'm deeply concerned about women's safety in female only spaces. What would you say to women who are seeking assurance that their safety will be protected from men who by California law can self ID as women in women only space to serve? Please tell me.

[Scott Wiener]

Yeah, so we want, I mean everyone to be safe. And we also know that, you know, we have trans people, both men and women, who are men and women. And so, you know, we. So if you're trans women or women.

[Guest/Caller]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

What a floundering, fumbling, bumbling effort to translate the academia talk Scott Wieners memorized into like real world language. He just couldn't do it. No.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, often when you're saying stuff you don't actually believe, it's difficult to form your sentences and thought.

[Joe Getty]

I think he does believe that though. I mean, he's in favor of everything from man boy, love to, you know. Please. He says birthing persons. He's said birthing persons 10 years ago. He's an activist in this. But anyway, it keeps going and it keeps getting weirder.

[Tish Hyman]

We want to know, are you going to protect women? Not trans women, women, women. Trans women are doing things. Women, women, listen, we need to protect women's safety. I was assaulted. No, they are not. They are men. I was assaulted by men.

[Joe Getty]

He had.

[Tish Hyman]

He broke his wife's jaw so bad she needed reconstructive surgery. I'm a lesbian, I transphobic, and I'm black. So if there's another black woman in here who wants to tell me how they feel, please join in. But all of you are not.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I don't know who you are.

[Tish Hyman]

What you are, but I'm a lesbian, and I'm telling you right now, men are harassing women in the locker room.

[Joe Getty]

Let's let him. Let's let him answer the question.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's where it turns super interesting in terms of the left eating their own. Because then she gets into the. Wait a second, Nobody can criticize me. I'm black, I'm a woman, and I'm gay. Those three things leave me in a situation where you can't possibly disagree with me and then comes along trans. And apparently trans trumps all of those other things.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, sorry, black lesbian ladies, I wish we could help you here, but you're getting. Back of line, please. Yeah, yeah. And I loved. And listen, I'm not on her side of the intersectional totem pole battle thing, but I love the dynamic of white men, trans cultists saying trans women are women, trans women are women, trans women are women. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

So you got. You have adult white males who all of a sudden end up in the. In the right. Using my finger quotes. Right position. Correct position.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Con for the woke left over a black female gay person. Because we've crossed into the transition conversation.

[Joe Getty]

Right, sorry, sorry.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's complicated. You need a flowchart.

[Joe Getty]

Right. And then she of course knows those are the cards to play on the left. So she tries to play them because they're not.

[Jack Armstrong]

Always worked for her her whole life, I'm sure.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Then a full grown dude shows up in the locker room. She yells out of panic and shock when he's looking at her bare ass naked. And. And then she becomes the bad person and just kicked out of Gold's gym. And now she feels. Oh, shoot, this whole hierarchy of victims thing, sometimes it gets a little weird.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I don't, I don't. I'm on her side in this conversation and I don't know her. Maybe she hasn't been playing this card her whole life. Although she pulled it there pretty quickly. But there are plenty of people who do play that card. And it works. Whether, you know, the bus didn't pick you up or you got a bad grade in school or they want you to pay your rent on time or whatever the hell it is, it's always worked. Until you run into some white guys who are on the other side of trans.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. I remember. And it works in the other way too. That you can discount, dismiss, insult anyone by pointing out that they happen to be a white person. I had that card first played on me like 20 years ago. I was like, wait, what? But yeah, it's popular. Anyway, the meeting already Jazzy rolled on.

[Scott Wiener]

I appreciate your point of view. I'm so sorry that you were.

[Jack Armstrong]

Multiple times.

[Scott Wiener]

I appreciate you talking about it. I. I think we need to protect the safety of all women.

[Jack Armstrong]

And.

[Scott Wiener]

And that obviously that's incredibly important. And I also know that trans women are also brutalized in this country. So women and cisgender women are brutalized in this country. And we have to protect safety, all of them.

[Tish Hyman]

We have to protect women. We cannot be raped in the bathrooms by men that want to say they're women. They're not women. They're not women. I'm leaving. It's okay, but I'm not going. I am leaving because you know what? You guys are not protecting women. You're doing a lot. The bills that you're passing for the law, I read a lot of them. They're great. But this things with the trans, it's not right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Thank you very much.

[Tish Hyman]

You're welcome.

[Joe Getty]

So the key phrase there is women and CIS women need protection. So sorry. Born with ovaries, et cetera, people, you're in second place. Women, real women and CIS women need to be protected in Scott Wiener's world. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

The only woman term that doesn't have a qualifier attached is dude.

[Joe Getty]

To say they're a woman. Exactly. Katie, you're smoldering. I'm at a loss for words. You know, I know. And as a woman who is pregnant and my body is doing all sorts of things, this is even more infuriating because they have. Oh, I can totally relate. Totally relate. Because I identify as a woman. Yeah. Yeah. You ought to cave my effing teeth, Ethan, for saying that. Right? I'm glad you're too far away.

[Jack Armstrong]

God, she just needed one more thing. Was your uncle a Cherokee? Do you have anything?

[Joe Getty]

What do you got? Let's think. Let's brainstorm here. Did both. All four of your limbs work? Okay? No, Let me think, Let me think. Your eyesight okay?

[Guest/Caller]

No.

[Joe Getty]

All right. She had one more shot as she walked out the door.

[Tish Hyman]

You heard me, sister.

[Joe Getty]

All right.

[Tish Hyman]

Don't let them use our blackness and our civil rights as a reason to pass weird laws for children to transform. It's wrong. My sister is in jail. She can't get Free tampons herself, but she can get free transformation medication. Big pharma is best tired. Yeah, Scott.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, things were going so smoothly. That was pretty good. 1. Would she say her sister's in prison? Whoever's in prison.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Can't get tampons, but you could get free transition surgery or medicine medication.

[Joe Getty]

Right, exactly. Yeah, well. And so he made a pretty good point that don't let our blackness. Don't let them use our blackness to pass weird laws. Because the far, far radical left and the neo Marxists, they use the verbiage and the rationale of the civil rights movement to make it seem like a dude who says, now I'm a girl is the same as, you know, Emmett Till or somebody who just wanted to vote in the south or attend a public university. It's obscene.

[Jack Armstrong]

We left out that this Scott Wiener person because you don't know him all around the country like we do in the. He's a Bay Area legend in government and doing all kinds of crazy stuff in the city and then getting into state government, all that sort of stuff. He wants to take Nancy Pelosi's seat. He's going to run for Nancy Pelosi's seat. He could be the face of progressivism in the House of Representatives. I almost hope he wins. It's going to be so crazy. But I don't actually want his point of view to be spread.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I mean, he's. He's pro everything that's perverse, including, you know, man, boy love and that sort of thing, even if he kind of hints at it. But, yeah, I don't.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm.

[Joe Getty]

I'm trying to decide right now if it'd be better or worse to have him in Congress. I would like the. I don't know. People are so easily talked off of their beliefs in ways that shocked me, like during COVID And you got to.

[Jack Armstrong]

Be careful with this whole, you know, Muhammad wins, that'll be good for us. Scott Weider wins. It'll be good for us. Pretty soon, there's going to be a lot of people in positions of power with horrifying ideas and a lot of.

[Joe Getty]

The sheeple and or young people who are easily sold on a lot of this garbage. I just feel bad that lady lost the intersectional contest. Yeah. She walked in there feeling great.

[Jack Armstrong]

Black woman. Who's gonna say something to a gay black woman? I am bulletproof.

[Joe Getty]

Sorry, I'm trans.

[Tish Hyman]

Oh, no.

[Jack Armstrong]

The superpower. My kryptonite.

[Joe Getty]

Damn it.

[Jack Armstrong]

You make a reservation on open table, you better show up on time or you'll pay the penalty, among other things.

[Riley Gaines]

On the way steer Armstrong and Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Kraft Mac and Cheese is releasing a new apple pie flavor for the holiday. Because if we can't bring down the price of groceries, the new strategy is to just make you not want them.

[Jack Armstrong]

I like Kraft Macaroni and Cheese. Similar to a McDonald's burger, which doesn't taste like a hamburger. Kraft Macaroni and Cheese does not really taste like anybody else's macaroni and cheese.

[Joe Getty]

But it's good.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it's good. So good, man. You put some ketchup on that. You don't put ketchup on your Mac and cheese.

[Joe Getty]

I do BBQ sauce mostly, Katie, but made a face. Yeah, I've never heard of ketchup on Mac.

[Jack Armstrong]

You've never heard of it? Wow. My kids love it. My brothers loved it. Really? So good. Okay, I'll try it. And it heats up so well. And it's so cheap. It's like 80 cents for a box.

[Joe Getty]

Doesn't that make you wonder whether you ought to be putting it in your mouth, son?

[Jack Armstrong]

So we've talked about this some over the years. A lot of companies that had a no questions asked return policy had to change it because people were taking advantage of it. What that means about society, and I'm not exactly sure, I mean, how was. How's Walmart, Costco, or other examples of smaller corporations able to get away with the no questions asked return policy for so many years, in some cases decades. And then something changed in the culture, maybe social media. Is it at that. Whose idea was it to put every idiot in contact with every other idiot? So the idiot who says, hey, you can do this and get away with it goes online. And other idiots realize they. I don't know what happened.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, they either realize they can or they feel reinforced in their scumbaggery that, that lots of people do it. So I'm gonna do it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I feel guilty every time I return something, even if it's pretty justified. I just feel like I'm doing something bad and I gotta, like really convince him, you know, this thing just doesn't work or something.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Well, you know, they're thinking, okay, this might be, you know, your typical thief who's made a big deal of returning stuff. So they're looking at you through that lens because they have to.

[Jack Armstrong]

So up came the idea. Several years ago, we talked about this was some sort of social credit score where the companies get together like Best Buy and Costco and Walmart and everybody like that and they keep track of you and oh, you're one of those scumbags. You do this three times a year. No, we're not going to let you return. It gets complicated though, on trying to force it. And then people are going to claim that's not true and that sort of stuff. But like open table, if you've ever used those for a reservation, there are several of them out there and I wish I didn't have to be logged into all of them, but I know different restaurants use different places, but they're keeping track of it too, and sharing information with places. And now and gonna start. Maybe you don't get the reservation on a busy evening if you got a lower score because a couple of times you've shown up late or canceled. Whereas the person who always shows up on time gets the seat.

[Joe Getty]

Why not?

[Jack Armstrong]

Why not? I would kind of like to have these things all combined. Fine with me. I'm. I'm doing the right thing.

[Joe Getty]

I hate to be coarse. You know, they call it social credit score. It's more like a hole credit score. Yeah, you're right.

[Jack Armstrong]

It should go the other direction because it's only really going to affect you if you're an A hole.

[Joe Getty]

Right. So if you've got an 806, that means you really are not an A hole at all. You get a nice high credit rating, as it were. You're down there in the lower reaches. Maybe not. Maybe I want to do business with you.

[Jack Armstrong]

I would think eventually every company is going to be doing some form of this.

[Joe Getty]

I'll bet you're right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Uber and Lyft already are, right?

[Guest/Caller]

They.

[Jack Armstrong]

They.

[Joe Getty]

Airbnb.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Yeah, I like it on every level. And you know, either you're treated accordingly. You get, you get the hotel room because you're not somebody who's left the trashed hotel room before or whatever, you know, whatever.

[Joe Getty]

As long as it's private enterprise, right?

[Jack Armstrong]

As long as it's not the government like China.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Yeah. Yeah, I would agree. Speaking of bad ideas, communism, for instance, socialism. How people are being sold on some of the terrible ideas online, including the current anti Semitism on the right. How that whole ecosystem works if you're not hip to it, is pretty interesting and helps explain how people end up with such terrible ideas.

[Jack Armstrong]

Have you heard the latest knock on Nick Fuentes in an attempt to bring him down? I don't know if it's true or not.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty. Oh my gosh, that was Dave Portnoy of barstool sports fame. Great entrepreneur personality, etc. Doing a pizza review outside a restaurant for his channels and everything because he's a big pizza fiend like myself and some guy recognized either him or that Dave is Jewish and said f the Jews.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Dave Rubin, speaking of influencers, had a comment or two.

[Guest/Caller]

The point of that clip is that there's Dave Portnoy, a guy who cares about sports and who really loves pizza and he's doing a pizza review and some kid who likely you would have to by every estimation that kid, whoever did that, that young man is a Fuentes fan, probably a Tucker fan. So these things then do start manifesting into real life. And then would that kid, I don't know, burn down a Jewish owned bakery? That happened in Germany in the 1930s, would that happen? Like where does this go?

[Joe Getty]

And, and Dave riffs on that question for a while and I say, well said. The idea that even like two years ago somebody would have said f the Jews to Dave Portnoy as he reviews a pizza.

[Guest/Caller]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

So I think Dave's right. This stuff leeches into real life. And read a terrific piece by a terrific woman who writes for the Free Press, Batya Unger Sargon, who's interestingly enough authored two books, Second how the Elites Betrayed America's Working Men and Women and another called Bad News How Woke Media Is Undermining Democracy. So her bona fides on our side of, you know, the ideological wars. Unimpeachable. Really, really smart lady. And she talks a lot about the whole Nick F. Fuente's Tucker Carlson thing, the crazy, crazy ass Candace Owens and all sorts of stuff. Crazy ass, double crazy, crazy, crazy ass. And she writes about it at a fair length. I'm just going to touch on a little bit because then she gets to another aspect of this that I find interesting. But over the last decade, she writes the left tarred everyone to the right of Joe Manchin as a fascist, as a Nazi, as a racist. It was always a canard. Yet now far right content creators have decided to try to prove that the left was corre by widening the Overton window to include the airing of Nick Fuentes views in an uncritical manner. And she mentioned in a recent example, Fox News contributor YouTuber Brett Cooper posted a video condemning those seeking to keep actual Nazis out of the Republican Party. She read out an ex post from Senator Cruz, they don't kill you because you're a Nazi. They call you a Nazi so they can kill you. And then accused Cruz of hypocrisy because he accurately pointed out that Fuentes admires Hitler, cooper wrote. So now you're turning around and you're calling somebody that you don't like a Nazi. Did you catch the logic? Because the left called good hearted conservatives Nazis, therefore no one can be denounced as a Nazi, including people who literally praise Hitler. What follows is All Nazis must be welcome because the left called people who weren't Nazis Nazis. Checkmate neocons. It's utterly ridiculous. I thought that was well put. Cooper says the Republicans are using the same tactics that the left has been using against us for years.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wrong again.

[Joe Getty]

That's not the right turning in the left. It's the sound of Cooper and other content creators doing their best to prove the left right that conservatives are secret bigots. Somehow they've managed to convince themselves that disagreeing with someone is itself cancel culture. But contrary to what those sanitizing Fuentes want you to believe, the brouhaha isn't splitting the right. It's splitting the political and cultural right from the content creators who make their money off global online audiences. And the title of the piece is the Real Split on the Right. What is Hell? Heck? There it is. Influencers versus Conservatives. And here's where it gets even more interesting. Takes a turn that I found intriguing.

[Jack Armstrong]

With a lot of conservatives using finger quotes because it's kind of a squishy term in this case with a lot of conservatives not really realizing this as they take in their social media feed every day.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Yeah. These creators have found that their online audiences crave anti Israel content and as a result they've tried to frame the dust up as being about Israel and free speech. This is obviously nonsense. It's not a violation of free speech to condemn someone for nodding along as a white nationalist sullies everything Trump has built. It's not cancel culture to say actually Nazis are bad, blah blah blah. So then she goes into some more detail about it that I think we've covered. If Carlson ad Fuente is on a show to do a thorough critique of his anti Semitism and racism as he did of Ted Cruz's Christian Zionism, there might have been some backlash. But not for me. It was the unchallenged airing of bile and their frequent areas of agreement that smacked of sanitization. Can you even imagine a person who advocates puberty blockers for children getting such a pass from a conservative influencer? No, of course not.

[Jack Armstrong]

When? Because I watched the video with Nick Fuentes on with Tucker Carlson when he said Nick Fuentes mentions a date and says, you know, I know that Date styles, birthday. I love Stalin. And Tucker says, you love Stalin. And makes a face like, what the F. And we'll get to that later. Which they don't. I mean, who wouldn't interviewing somebody stop whatever you were talking about at that moment and say, let's do a dive into this whole you love Stalin thing.

[Joe Getty]

Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

I mean, who doesn't stick with that subject as soon as somebody says, yeah, I love Stalin, I have his birthday memorized. Okay, What?

[Joe Getty]

And why?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, but Tucker just was, like, clearly shocked by that, as any normal person would be.

[Joe Getty]

Right? But you don't circle back to that and. No. Circle back to it.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, no, no.

[Joe Getty]

Everything stops. And you talk about that.

[Commercial Voice]

That.

[Joe Getty]

Unless you have a different purpose. Anyway, one more bit of what she writes. What those defending Fuentes are really saying is free speech means Nazis get to be part of our movement. And we've gotten a couple emails from, like, young folks on the right who've said, no, that's a lie. He's not a Nazi. Look, you can't praise Hitler, deny the Holocaust and blame the Jews for everything and say, I'm a Nazi, or people are going to call you a Nazi. Okay? You don't want those people to be with you anyway. It sounds crazy when you lay it out like that, but it's actually driven by a very real financial incentive. Many content creators make their money on social media. Here's how it works. The algorithm feeds people content that's similar to what they already like. If you find an audience and then rewards you. Oh, it finds you an audience and then rewards you for immensely for giving that audience exactly what they want.

[Commercial Voice]

Want.

[Joe Getty]

The flip side is it penalizes you if you disappoint them. Your viewership can be instantly crushed if you start upsetting your audience with ideas they aren't expecting. YouTubers and tick tockers are deeply connected to what their audience wants because their entire livelihood depends on it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I worry about my own algorithms, and I don't even seek out content like that. But I know I'm being fed stuff that. That Zuckerberg or, you know, whoever's in charge at Google or whatever that they think I want. And so I miss out on other stuff. I don't want to miss out on other stuff. I want to see the other stuff. Some of it I don't agree with. Some of it I might. I don't know. I don't ever get to hear it because it's pigeonholed me as a very specific sort of person.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

And has only given me that stuff. And I wish, I hope there's a platform that in the future lets you flip off your algorithm when you want to, like, what else is going on in the world. Turn off my algorithm and just give me what's popular for everyone. Or maybe you could choose other people's algorithms. Show me the algorithm of somebody who is a Kamala Harris voter or whatever. So I get different news because it really worries me that I'm. That I'm being funneled stuff and I have no control over it.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Yeah, exactly. And we've. We've talked in a lighthearted way about this too. You know, when, for instance, my alma mater, the University of Illinois, is playing good football, I'll. I'll click on college football stories more. Then all of a sudden, algorithms act like I'm Dabo Sweeney himself, you know, some college football coach, and I'll just get flooded with it. It's like, leave me alone. Anyway, but ideologically is a much more significant example. So final part of this. So. And for what it's worth, and I don't want to sound like I. We are galloping along on a white horse in shining armor. Combination of age and, you know, a fair level of financial comfort. I couldn't give a crap what people agree with or don't agree with. I am going to speak the truth as I see it, period. And you either appreciate that, even if you disagree, and my goodness, you're welcome to disagree, we can still be friends. I will not do what's being described here. I find it despicable. My sainted mother in heaven would be ashamed of me if I did it. And that is a. A far higher standard to me than what's in my bank account. Anyway. So she describes how their entire livelihood depends on pleasing their audience. That is getting fed the algorithm of what they already think, what they already believe. People point to the millions of views popular podcasters get as proof of their influence and relevance. But content creators are deeply divorced from where the vast majority of Republicans and conservatives are on many issues. And this is why they're not reading the room. They're reading the comments section under their videos, which are filled with people who do not reflect the views of normal Americans.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're right. It's a two way street. It's bad for me. What? I was just saying that I don't want to be fed. Just stuff that thinks the algorithm and this is what I'm interested in. But then me feeding back to them is not good for them.

[Joe Getty]

Right. And let's see. Oh, she mentions, like even Kevin Roberts at the Heritage foundation, getting way off track and forgetting partly that these platforms have global reach. So they look at a YouTube video that has 5 million views and suddenly think it means 5 million young American men agree with it. And we must not anger the young men by suggesting Hitler is bad. And she makes a great point. This would be less infuriating if Trump hadn't just built the most multiracial working class coalition the Republican Party has had in generations. And many people are proud of it.

[Jack Armstrong]

He's also Donald Trump, the best friend Israel's ever had for any US President.

[Joe Getty]

Yes, absolutely. And as a Jewish son in law and his daughter converted. Right. Anyway, and she finally, she writes, I've been heartened to see how many Christians have stood up and vocally denounced Fuentes over the past week. That's the way to keep power. Not with Nazis or those who would really rather you didn't condemn them. Luckily, despite the best efforts of some podcasters, the GOP seems to understand that now. I certainly do.

[Jack Armstrong]

Even as awful a human being as I think Nick Fuentes is spreading awful things, I don't want to be unfair to him. So I'm going to say I don't have any idea if this next thing I'm about to say is true or not. The stuff I saw on Twitter. But there seems to be an attempt to bring him down. I mean, he's got powerful enemies.

[Joe Getty]

With.

[Jack Armstrong]

Some videos I saw of him hobnobbin with dudes who want to have sex with underage other dudes and, and, and saying some things that at least it looked like the way they were portrayed in these videos as him being pretty interested in younger guys. Like I said, I don't have any idea if these are AI creations or if they're true or not. Even as bad as I think Nick Fuentes is, I don't want to claim this if I don't know if it's true, but there is that attempt out there to make him that sort of person. Now, some of the statements he's made about his sexuality and sex and everything like that, it's pretty weird. Yeah, he's in a weird. He's in a weird place sexually.

[Joe Getty]

He's an edge lord too. He's. He's constantly saying things that are meant to offend and shock.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I just think he thinks all women are.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that Eve. He said the only really straight heterosexual position is to be an asexual incel. He refers to himself as a Nazi twink, submissive gay man. What's interesting about the people trying to run him down is there's a great piece in the Free Beacon about how.

[Jack Armstrong]

The New York Times. I mean, yes, okay.

[Joe Getty]

Attractive. Wow. Swipe left or right or whichever one it is. What's interesting is the Free Beacon has a terrific piece about how the New York Times and others are trying to elevate this guy because then they can go with the narrative that. Here's your conservative. Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

So that's the problem.

[Joe Getty]

Like pictures that are touched up to make him look extra handsome and cool in the New York Times. Is there.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God. There's nobody with any integrity whatsoever. So you're trying to elevate a Nazi and give him more of a platform, make him more money, make him more popular, because you think ultimately that will hurt the other side.

[Joe Getty]

Right. It's like if a guy like me gave $5,000 to mom Donnie's campaign.

[Jack Armstrong]

Man, you talk about that idea. Not seeing the Force for the Trees or whatever saying fits this, but wow. Cutting off your nose despite your face. I know there's some saying that fits this situation, but I'm not sure what.

[Joe Getty]

It is you're cutting off the baby.

[Jack Armstrong]

To despite the bathwater. Exactly. Cutting the loaf in half. I don't know what. We'll finish strong next.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

I am completely confused as to what's going on with the Epstein story, this political battle. So earlier we had this Democratic Representative Robert Garcia, we played a little bit of. Of him saying more Epstein files will be released, but he received 23,000 documents a few days ago around Epstein. That's a Democrat, using that as a bit of a threat, kind of a vague threat. Now the Republicans are out with their vague threat that says, this is a headline from the New York Times. Republicans on the Oversight committee have released 20,000, 23,000 pages of documents. Take that. It's the same number. So that. So it's the same documents. Right?

[Joe Getty]

It's got to be. Okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

I mean, they both claim 23,000, but. So you got this Democratic congressman saying, I've received 23,000 documents from the Epstein files. We'll be releasing them over the next couple of days. And then they had a couple of quotes in there that were, like, meaningless to us. Now the Republicans are saying, we have just in the oversight committee released 23,000 documents around the Epstein files. And we are going to show the Democrats that, okay, who released these and who's it hurting and who's ok.

[Joe Getty]

The Republicans are saying, no, you're not going to trip them out here they are. Read them if you want. There's nothing to hide here.

[Jack Armstrong]

You think that's what happened?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, it's. The Democrats are trying to make it sound like this is a brand new discovery. It's full of great evidence and we're going to bring it to you bit by bit. And the Republicans are like, read it if you want.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or they cleverly forced the Republicans hands and now the Republicans had to release all this stuff that. That some people have been asking to release anyway, including lots of Republican, like Republicans I know who are very upset that these documents hadn't been released. I would get the nothing burger with fries because the nothing burger is not going to be very filling. Maybe get a nothing shake.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. My God.

[Jack Armstrong]

The government is shut down for 42 days. And when they finally go back to work, it's the Epstein thing. That's what they're doing. Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew. I'm going to jump to the front of the line, as is my right as host. I have given up on the United States of America. I literally have a window open looking at real estate in Uruguay.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm sure that's where you want to live and not Paraguay.

[Joe Getty]

It's beautiful. Yes, I've figured out it is indeed Uruguay. Only problem is every kitchen I've seen looks like it's taken straight out of that 70s show. Apparently there's a shortage of updating materials in Uruguay. Michelangelo, our technical director, has a final thought. Michael? Yeah, I don't know what I looked up, but now my algorithm on my Facebook, I either it's either a toaster or food processors. That's all I get now. Nothing but ads for food processors or toasters.

[Jack Armstrong]

No clue.

[Joe Getty]

How's that happened? Well, you don't want to eat raw bread like a fool. Toast it up. Katie Green, our esteemed newswoman, has a final thought. Katie, I just need to take a chill pill for the rest of the day because since we did that Gold's gym segment, I have been pissed.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. The left doesn't care about actual women. Jack, a final thought for us.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, the algorithm thing that needs to get fixed. I have a similar problem. If I opened up YouTube right now, it would be nothing but. But espresso machines and John Mayer tar lessons and that's it. Like, those are the only two things I could ever possibly have any interest in.

[Joe Getty]

Just sip the java and play the licks. Sip the java, Play the licks.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty wrapping up another grueling four hour workday.

[Joe Getty]

I'm just going to say this. Armstrongandgetti.com, the Armstrong and Getty store. The new KFTC aprons made everybody laugh. Laugh out loud. I'm getting one myself.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, cool. We'll see you tomorrow. God bless America. Armstrong and get it we don't want.

[Joe Getty]

To talk about Epstein. We say no. Is there anything left that we don't already know? No, no, no. We could talk about the weather oh, when Christmas Really? But we don't want to talk about the sick pervo who died behind bars no, no, no, no, no. We don't want to talk about Armstrong and Getty.

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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