You're An Infant. Get Back In Your Playpen.

Summary

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Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode Summary: "You're An Infant. Get Back In Your Playpen."

Date: April 13, 2026
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty (plus producer Katie Porter)

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Overview

This episode of Armstrong & Getty On Demand centers around three primary themes: the rapid rise and societal implications of artificial intelligence and data centers; the controversy surrounding Congressman Eric Swalwell’s sexual misconduct allegations and political fallout; and consumer frustrations with surcharges and shrinkflation in everyday life. Interspersed are the show’s typical offbeat humor, cultural observations, and candid conversation on hot-button issues.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. AI, Data Centers, and Societal Impact

(02:49–09:42)

• Local government reactions to AI data center booms:
  Joe recaps a Washington Post story about Prince Frederick, Maryland, where a conservative city council is surprisingly united with progressive figures like AOC and Bernie Sanders in skepticism toward massive AI data centers, citing concerns about infrastructure, tax revenue, and energy use.

  “It’s interesting to see AOC and a bunch of Republicans in agreement—‘Wow, this is coming too far too fast. We need to figure out what it means.’” – Joe Getty (04:44)

• Personal use of AI & capacity crunch:
  Jack and Joe reflect on their own “trivia machine” use of tools like ChatGPT and Google Gemini. Joe notes how “the artificial intelligence gold rush is rapidly drying up” computing power, which is leading to supply crunches, user frustration, and product cancellations.

  “Demand is growing far faster than companies are able to access resources and build out infrastructure… Only a couple will survive.” – Joe Getty (08:30)

• Societal disruption & uncertainty:
  Jack brings up Jonathan Turley’s new book, which links AI’s unpredictable impact to the scale of the U.S. founding, arguing that everyone underestimates its coming disruption—even experts.

  “If you think this isn’t a big deal or you can ignore it, you are so wrong. The way it’s going to disrupt society—oh my God.” – Jack Armstrong (09:32)

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2. Human-AI Interactions & The "Grok Lady" Anecdote

(10:22–12:59)

• Jack’s story:
  Jack tells a humorous yet unsettling story about asking Tesla’s Grok AI assistant about a Glen Campbell song. Grok suddenly pretends to reminisce with Jack, acting as if they’re the same age, which Jack and Joe find “mind-warpingly strange.”

  “The Grok lady pretends we’re reminiscing… This is freakin’ weird.” – Jack Armstrong (12:42)

• The rise of anthropomorphic AI:
  Joe discusses how default AI settings push for “buddy” modes, while expert settings allow business-only interactions. They wonder if human-like AI responses are what users really want, or just unsettling.

  “There are like settings … with all these AI models—tell them, hey, business only, we’re not buddies, just give me facts… But by default, let’s be buddies.” – Joe Getty (11:59)

• Katie Porter’s reaction:
  Katie jumps in, teasing Jack about calling the AI a “lady,” and they all muse on whether users actually want nostalgic, fake-sentient companionship from a machine.

  Jack: “You’re an infant. Get back in your playpen, you can’t even talk.” — (12:38)

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3. Surcharges, Shrinkflation, and the Consumer Experience

(13:00–23:22)

• Surcharges everywhere:
  Joe highlights a Wall Street Journal article about the proliferation of surcharges—service fees, wellness charges, credit card fees—in restaurants and services. Studies show consumers hate surcharges but rarely abandon purchases because of them.

  “By the time a surcharge appears at the end of a transaction, consumers have already committed to the purchase and are far less likely to abandon it.” – Joe Getty (20:57)

• Shrinkflation:
  On the growing prevalence of shrinkflation, Jack and Joe recall how even candies and cereals have been reduced in size, yielding double price hikes.

  “I had a lollipop over the weekend…it was like the size of a BB on a stick…Shrinkflation hits again.” – Jack Armstrong (23:03)

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4. The Eric Swalwell Scandal: Allegations, Politics, and the #MeToo Debate

(26:12–41:39)

• Background and Allegations:
  Audio (and transcripts) highlight anonymous staffer claims of inappropriate behavior, including text exchanges, unsolicited sexual photos, and two incidents described as rape or sexual assault—involving blackouts after heavy drinking. Jack, Joe, and Katie dissect the specifics, the MeToo implications, and women's agency in workplace relationships.

• Political Fallout:
  Discussion on how internal Democrat opposition research led to the leak of decades-old rumors just as primary dynamics endangered Democrat positioning in the California governor’s race.

  “This is so clearly a knife in his back from his side.” – Joe Getty (27:54) “Eric Swalwell was a known sex pig forever…if you’re an up and comer and you’re successful, people will keep their mouths shut about a lot of things.” – Jack Armstrong (28:21)

• Consent, Agency, and Double Standards:
  The hosts engage in pointed debate about what constitutes sexual assault vs. poor judgment, critiquing the blurring of lines in #MeToo discourse.

  “Are we going to decide as a society that anybody who is drunk by definition can’t give consent? That is the stance of a lot of people.” – Jack Armstrong (33:12) “Don’t infantilize women. It teaches women that they do not have agency in their own sexual lives…Say no. Tell him to go to hell and get another job.” – Joe Getty (38:59)

• Swalwell’s Defense and Aftermath:
  The hosts play tape of Swalwell’s denial and apology (to his wife, not to the accuser), and marvel at how swiftly Democratic colleagues rescinded endorsements.

  “The allegations are false. Did not happen.” – Eric Swalwell (36:12 extract paraphrased by hosts) “The way the Democrats came after him immediately… they turned on him fast.” – Jack Armstrong (37:31)

• Cultural Critique:
  The conversation closes with tongue-in-cheek references to the abundance of “creepy” male California Democrats, the role of enabling billionaires, and the intersection of politics, media, and scandal.

  “Can California produce… a male politician who’s not creepy?” – Joe Getty (35:03)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On AI’s Resource Crunch:

  “Everybody’s talking about oil, but I think what the world is mainly short of is tokens.” – Ben Paladian, via Joe Getty (08:00)

• AI Anthropomorphism:

  Jack: “You’re an infant. Get back in your playpen, you can’t even talk.” (12:38) Joe: “Do you like the quote unquote human connection stuff…or do you find it freaky?” (13:00)

• On Surcharges:

  “It makes them mad. The polls are universal. People hate it, but it does not cause them to change their behavior.” – Joe Getty (21:16)

• Consent Debate:

  “That sounds like every courtship that’s ever existed. You go in for the kiss and…they either respond approvingly or say ‘I’m not ready for that yet.’” – Jack Armstrong (34:49)

• On the #MeToo Standard:

  “Stop infantilizing women…” – Joe Getty (36:59)

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Segment Timestamps

• AI/Data Center Discussion: 02:49–09:42
• AI Humanization/Grok Lady Story: 10:22–12:59
• Consumer Surcharges & Shrinkflation: 13:00–23:22
• Eric Swalwell Allegations/Political Fallout: 26:12–41:39
• Listener Feedback and Political Donor Fallout: 43:23–47:25

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Tone & Style

• Candid, direct, and irreverent: The hosts mix humor, skepticism, and pointed opinion while encouraging listener feedback.
• Open Debate: Nuanced and sometimes uncomfortable topics are confronted head-on, with conflicting viewpoints voiced and acknowledged.
• Cultural References: Frequent use of pop culture, politics, and inside humor aimed at a news-and-current-events-savvy audience.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode expertly weaves developments in technology, culture, and politics with the show’s trademark balance of humor and hard-nosed analysis. You’ll come away with:

• An accessible, critical look at the double-edged sword of AI’s growth (both in practical and societal terms).
• A deep-dive into the ethics and weaponization of sexual misconduct allegations in politics.
• Insightful discussion on how business and marketing practices are shaping consumer frustrations.
• The hosts’ frank assessment of the ambiguous, often contradictory ways Americans are forced to judge—and react to—technological and societal change.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Had a picture of a pork chop and some eggs which looked delicious.

[Joe Getty]

I do enjoy a pork chop.

[Jack Armstrong]

So we're gonna talk around a little bit later this hour. I think that this last month is like we're about to see the war like this week. I hope I'm wrong, but I think the war starts this week. Trump was ready to declare victory and end this thing on Thursday until he got a phone call from. Stay tuned. Oh, what?

[Joe Getty]

Okay, I will. So interesting. Going through the news today, one topic just kept on popping up and that is AI and huge data centers and how much power they use. And article number one from the Washington Post, they're talking about Prince Frederick, Maryland, which interestingly enough has an entirely Republican city council that are pretty much in agreement with AOC and Bernie Sanders on these data centers. And there's a big to do at the city council meeting because the data centers would deliver tens of millions of dollars in fresh tax revenue. Tens of millions. A pot large enough, they say, to pay for a wish list of items such as turf playing fields, a new sheriff's headquarters, property tax cuts for everybody, blah, blah, blah. But then one of the Republicans said something kind of interesting. A more pressing need, said this guy, whose name is Hart, is what communities elsewhere are considering as they seek to slow the spread of data centers. A moratorium allowing officials to study how the tech warehouses that make online activity possible. Blah, blah, blah, AI, what they would do, what they generate. He says what I know about a data center would fit on this pink. The responsible thing to do is buy time and get the right people in place to help us through this. So I thought that was an interesting reaction. And some places around the country have embraced. I know Virginia, Northern Virginia's like tech or data center central and the Atlanta area, but it's placing enormous strains on the electric grids and blah, blah, blah. So interesting to see AOC and a bunch of Republicans in agreement. Wow, this is coming too far too fast. We need to figure out what it means. So. And then I thought this was interesting. Those of us who use AI at least a little bit, and I have, I don't have one agent talking to another agent pulling off some complex task. I know guys who do that. It boggles my mind. I hardly get it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm using it as basically a trivia machine.

[Joe Getty]

Better Google. Yeah. Although man, it is outstanding.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, I got a great story I'll throw at the end of this conversation I had with the grok lady in my truck yesterday. A weird question for you. Anyway, stay tuned.

[Joe Getty]

Okay. Yeah, and I mentioned last hour how I had an email account hacked and it was sending out spam emails from my, my account. And I used, I think it was Google Gemini was super helpful in untangling that. I just kind of use them at random to see which one does best. But it was enormously helpful taking care of software malfeasance that the hackers had used in my system and everything. Very, very helpful. Anyway, so the artificial intelligence gold rush this is now the Wall Street Journal is rapidly drying up the supply of one resource that AI developers can't do without, and that's computing power. It's a capacity crunch. They've gotten so popular so quickly, they've run out of, well, computer power, forcing companies to scuttle products and reliability problems. They're choking off the amount that their users can use, pissing them off. Just as people are signing on, getting excited about it. Excited about it. Over the past few months, demand has exploded for agentic AI autonomous tools that use the technology to independently perform tasks. From writing software code to scheduling house tours for real estate brokers, companies have been scrambling to secure the availability of computing capacity, needing to serve a growing base of customers who are also significantly increasing their AI use.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, I was texting back and forth with our friend Craig, the healthcare guru yesterday who uses AI the way you were talking about it, like, you know, it's really designed for really, really complicated things. But he said he like me and lots of people go back and forth between oh my God, this is amazing and it's going to take over the world and this is awful and it's not even close. Depending on what you're doing, right?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

I mean every once in a while it's blind spot is just stunning.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Every week I read about some attorney who gets sanctioned or fined or whatever for leaning on AI too much and it comes up with these non existent cases, the hallucinations. So you really, really have to check your work, which takes a lot of the fun out of it, or check AI's work. But I thought this was a great quote. Everybody's talking about oil, but I think what the world is mainly short of is tokens, said Ben Paladian, an engineer and tech investor in la. A token is a unit of measurement in AI to track how much computing resources being used for a task. Quote, AI is at this point no longer just some chatbot that we asked for a recipe while we stand in front of the fridge. It's orchestrating tasks, it's getting smarter. And all of it points to a classic problem that's popped up in technology booms throughout history. From the 19th century Railroad expansion to the telecom and Internet explosions of the early 2000s, demand is growing far faster than companies are able to access resources and build out infrastructure. And historically, price increases have been among the only ways to address a supply crunch. But such a move could be perilous for frontier AI companies who are in a ferocious competition to gain users. You know, only a couple will survive.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, Jonathan Turley's got a new book out that come. He's got one of those books out to coincide with the 250th anniversary over the United States, talking about Thomas Paine. But he's also got. Half of the book is about AI and how it ties in with the founding of the country, which I feel like was a bit of a stretch to try to combine two odd things. But he's got some interesting thoughts on AI. I was listening to him yesterday on a podcast, and law professor Jonathan Turley. One of his main things, though, was if you think this isn't a big deal or you can ignore it, you are so wrong. The way it's going to disrupt society. Oh, my God.

[Joe Getty]

Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Of course, everybody follows that with. But I have no idea in what way. Okay. Including Sam Altman, right?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Not very comforting. It's like, you know, Tesla and Edison were going around saying, oh, this electricity is going to be crazy. It might burn down cities or might be the best thing ever. I wish I knew. Wait a minute, wait a minute. If you don't.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Unbelievable. We can squeeze this in if you want. I've noticed. Everybody's noticed this. Surcharges are suddenly everywhere. Where you've got.

[Jack Armstrong]

Is this a related.

[Joe Getty]

No.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, let me do my AI story.

[Joe Getty]

Consumer related. Sorry. Yeah. Hit it.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I got to take my son to a Boy Scout meeting yesterday. I'm sitting in my cyber truck. He gets in the truck. He's singing a tune as he often is he gets in my truck and I know every crack in these dirty sidewalks of Broadway My son is singing rhinestone cowboy From Glen Campbell.

[Joe Getty]

Beautiful.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I said, you know, that song was a hit when I was almost exactly your age. So we're backing out of the driveway and I asked Grok because I got Grok in the cybertruck. It's in all the Teslas. So I. Because. Because Elon owns Grok. So I say, hey, Grok, what year was Rhinestone Cowboy a hit? And I guess 1978. It was actually 1975. So I was almost exactly the same age as my son who was singing Rhinestone Cowboy when it was a hit. Original time. And anyway, I forgot to turn off Grok, like, swipe it away. I started talking to Henry and I said something like, wow, I was almost exactly your age when this song. And she started talking, she said, I know, we, both of us. This is bringing back old memories for our generation, isn't it?

[Joe Getty]

What?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And unfortunately, I swiped it away with my finger and I thought, oh, damn, I wish I'd have continued that conversation. Why did the Grok lady pretend we're reminiscing about things from our childhood and that we're the same age?

[Joe Getty]

Why? Absolutely. Going for that anthropomorphized, you know, human connection to suck people in.

[Jack Armstrong]

But is it programmed to do that?

[Joe Getty]

Yes, clearly.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or does intelligence do that on its own?

[Joe Getty]

Well, that's an intriguing question. I know. You can. There are, like settings that you can. You have to go, like deep into settings, but with all these AI models and tell them, hey, business only, we're not buddies. Just give me facts, please. I can't remember what it's called. I think the default setting, though is let's be buddies.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes.

[Katie Porter]

Katie, I just want to take you a couple steps back. You just called it the Grok lady.

[Jack Armstrong]

So. But that isn't that who wants working? Isn't it weird that anybody would want that? I know, for our generation. It brings back memories. Our generation. You've been around for a year and a half, I think, right.

[Joe Getty]

You're an infant.

[Jack Armstrong]

Get back in your playpen, you can't even talk.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

But that, that's strange that. I mean, that's mind warpingly strange that anybody would want that and then, like, would respond, you know, hey, do you remember hula hoops or something? He can just sit around and be nostalgic with something that it's made up. This is freaking weird.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

so you think there's a crowd out there that loves the idea of reminiscing with a robot that claims your from the same era or likes hearing.

[Joe Getty]

Nice job. I knew you could do it from a computer. Either all the AI super heavyweights are wrong in their assumption that people will like that, or we're just outliers. Or like I said, and more people ought to know this. You know, set it to what you're looking for. Set it to what you're comfortable with.

[Jack Armstrong]

I feel like I'm talking to a used car salesman anytime it does it.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. Well, I, I find myself emotionally if it says, hey, great job doing that, I think. Thank you. Wait a minute. And then I feel like, you know, I'm being duped. Somebody's working me.

[Jack Armstrong]

Different topic for later this hour. You know, a lot of us already knew Eric Swalwell was a scumbag, just of a different sort. Oh yeah, now we know he's a scumbag and has been for a long time, and Democrats knew that, but they were willing to keep that a secret if he could, you know, be a foil for Trump.

[Joe Getty]

Guy radiates creepy.

[Jack Armstrong]

He really does. And he's creepy a lot on the way. Stay here.

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historic repeat at the Masters. Rory McIlroy taking his second straight green jacket. The defending champ bouncing back and final round holding off two time champion Scotty Scheffler. McIlroy the fourth man to repeat at Augusta and the first since Tiger woods in 2002. He has rolled zero cars also to his credit. Yeah, that was wild. Back nine. Anybody could have won. It was crazy. But Rory won it. He's got a slight advantage over some of the guys on tour and that he lives in Florida and he would drop his kid off at school in the morning, flying his private jet up to Augusta national and play it over and over again over the last month.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, really?

[Joe Getty]

Fly home in time for dinner. Yeah. So he knew every inch of it. But an amazing victory. Well done. The Northern Irishman, Ray Mack.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I like when Americans win, not foreigners.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Wow, you're a nativist or something. Probably bigoted, anti Irish bias. I thought we'd lay that to rest. Apparently not. I wish we could lay this to rest. Surcharges are showing up everywhere. And according to Rachel Wolff in the Wall Street Journal, Americans are paying up. It's you go to the restaurant, you eat, you got a service, then you got like a health care charge or a, or kitchen service charge or something like that. And, well, they give the example. 3% for paying with a credit card, a 5% contribution to the restaurant employee wellness fund.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I've seen something like that before for employee insurance or something. Like what?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, new fees or surcharges are popping up everywhere as companies are trying to recoup their own rising costs. But they kind of blame outside pressures or outside things. And here's why I bring this up. Here's what's so interesting about it. A marketing professor at Columbia University, Mickey, I'm sorry. Vicky Morwitz says they've proved over and over again consumers tend to pay less attention to surcharges than to base prices.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know I do. And it doesn't make any sense. It's A weird emotional trick.

[Joe Getty]

For some reason. The lock in effect, Jack.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's why they. It's why, you know, car dealers figured it out a long time ago. Undercarriage this and whatever they throw in. And you're just willing to accept that for some reason.

[Joe Getty]

And the transfer charge, of course, and the utility charge and the bum of them right now.

[Jack Armstrong]

There was an assembly charge. Wait a second. You assembled it like two years ago.

[Joe Getty]

And it's been, what am I going to buy a disassembled car to pile of parts and put it together myself? What are you talking about? Yeah, exactly right. It's been sitting here for a year. So the lock in effect, by the time a surcharge appears at the end of a transaction, consumers have already committed to the purchase and are far less likely to abandon it than if they'd seen the full price from the start. It makes them mad. The polls are universal. People hate it, but it does not cause them to change their behavior.

[Jack Armstrong]

That sounds like me.

[Joe Getty]

And. And what's more, moreover, what are you going to do?

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm not paying for this meal. Now that there's an employee insurance charge,

[Joe Getty]

I'm going to stick my finger down my throat.

[Jack Armstrong]

You can have it back.

[Joe Getty]

So this professor, who knows precisely what's

[Jack Armstrong]

going on, admits the next time I

[Joe Getty]

come back, I'm still drawn in by that initial low price.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Even if I felt tricked the first time.

[Jack Armstrong]

They're doing it everywhere.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think car dealers invented it. Of course, there's a wheels charge. If you want wheels, it's an extra.

[Joe Getty]

No, I'll take it on blocks. I'll drag it home. Here's a swimming pool. Repair company Guy added a $5 monthly fuel surcharge to his customer's bills during the 2008 oil price increase. If it's temporary, people are mostly okay with it. He said the problem is when it never goes away, obviously.

[Jack Armstrong]

So she combined shrinkflation with all these extra charges and I wonder if any of this stuff will ever change.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I don't know. Boy, I've got some interesting stats on shrinkflation. We can squeeze in later. How much more the American consumer pays for for the whole thing. I'm sorry, for the same thing. Just year after year. It sits amazing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, they can't make boxes of cereal any smaller. It's impossible. No.

[Joe Getty]

Well, that's what they do, though. They shrink flate and then they take the price up and so they get like a double benefit because people don't notice the shrinkflation. Or they kind of do, then the price goes up a little bit and they think, oh, the price is up a little bit. Well, it's actually up a great deal.

[Jack Armstrong]

I had a like a sucker a lollipop over the weekend that my kids won at or something like that. It was like the size of a BB on a stick. Me and my parents were laughing about like they used to be like this big around.

[Joe Getty]

Well, candy doesn't cost squats to make.

[Jack Armstrong]

Still, shrinkflation hits again.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

We got to check in with Iran. We got to check in with Eric Swalwell the scumbag and a whole bunch of other stuff. I hope you can stick around. If you miss it, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand

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[Anonymous Staffer]

he ask you to send him lewd photos? Yes. And did he ever send lewd photos? Yes. He would send short Snapchat videos of him rubbing his penis through his pants while on the airplane.

[Jack Armstrong]

On the airplane you say? Charming. So this is the Eric Swalwell story that blew up over the weekend. Congressman from California, longtime attacker of Donald Trump, and more importantly to this whole story, really leading candidate for governor in the state of California. I think that's why all this, I don't think, I guarantee you this is why all this stuff came out. Now, a number of other Democrats that are running against him and they've all been trying to push each other out of the race because currently there are so many Democrats running for California, they're splitting the Democratic vote and you got two Republicans in the lead. So Katie Porter and others who are Democrats in California who are running have got the knives out for others, apparently, and I've read several examples of this, Eric Swalwell was a known sex pig forever. Going back to his very, very early days in Southern California, everybody's known he was this kind of guy. It's just in the world of politics and show business, apparently, and sports and probably finance and everything else, if you're, if you're, you know, if you're an up and comer and you're successful, people will keep their mouths shut about a lot of things that they probably couldn't, shouldn't keep their mouths shut about. And when it came down to, hey, Eric Swalwell, why don't you get out of the race? He wanted to get out of the race. And somebody, Katie Porter's campaign Or whoever released all this oppo research on him over the week.

[Joe Getty]

This is so clearly a knife in his back from his side.

[Jack Armstrong]

And it sure seems like he's a scumbag. But it also, and God, I hate to go down this road again, it also represented the whole me too movement where you consider rape the same thing as you didn't get consent to kiss someone. They all are on the same list. Like they're the same thing.

[Joe Getty]

Rubbing a back without permission. Exactly. All of which are certainly creepy and not a good idea, but yeah, you're right.

[Jack Armstrong]

So anyway, the voice you just heard was a woman. This is brand new. If you're following this story, you read it over the weekend. This woman that says Eric Swalwell raped her, she's now on camera. Well, she's on camera, but she's in the dark, so you can't see who she is. She's remaining anonymous and telling the story. And let's hear more of that.

The staffer says she liked Swalwell's attention at first and nervously went along with it, which included sending back nude photos of herself. But in September 2019, she says she and some friends met up with Swalwell after a night of heavy drinking. She says she woke up naked with Swalwell in a hotel room with no memory of what happened.

[Anonymous Staffer]

The five of us were having some drinks. At some point, it was time to go home. I got in an Uber. I was taken to the aloft Dublin Pleasanton where he was staying. And I don't remember what happened that night, but I know that we. There was sexual contact because when I woke up in the morning, I could feel that there was. And he said as much too. What did he say? That last night was great. It didn't feel great to me because I didn't remember it. And so you blacked out and you end up in his hotel room and

[Jack Armstrong]

wake up with him?

[Anonymous Staffer]

Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, so you just described millions of sexual encounters that happen every single year.

[Joe Getty]

Millions.

[Jack Armstrong]

That nobody considers rape.

[Joe Getty]

Right? I. I've got to admit, I have a very. Well, I do not agree with what she is implying. That it was a horrific act on his part is he was probably wasted too. Eric Swalwell is a creep. He's an awful, awful. Absolutely. But as the guy has raised a couple of daughters, that's why you teach them don't get too drunk. Certainly not alone. Certainly not in the com. The company of any men you don't trust a hundred percent.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, and you don't even need to go that far. She might have, when she was drunk, since she doesn't remember it. Been perfectly okay with the idea.

[Joe Getty]

Or the aggressor. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or the bright, you know, started it.

[Joe Getty]

There's a reason they call it the walk of shame.

[Jack Armstrong]

And she goes on.

She says another incident occurred in 2024 after this event in New York, where Swalwell gave a speech.

Some of us are working hard on Capitol Hill.

At the time, she no longer worked for Swalwell's office.

[Anonymous Staffer]

I decided to ask him to meet me for a drink. And I did this because I was so far removed from what had happened in 2019. I felt safe because I was established, I had a partner. I felt more secure that I could have a strictly professional relationship with this person. After that bar closed, we went to another. I went to the bathroom, and I don't remember anything after that. You don't remember anything? I remember the next day. I can see that flashes of that evening of him on top of me, me pushing him off, him grabbing me. It was a lot more aggressive. It was aggressive. Did you say no? Yes, I said no. I said I. In my flash that I can recall, I was pushing him off of me, saying no. And what did he do? He didn't stop. He didn't stop.

[Jack Armstrong]

So this is a different story than the other story.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Katie, you want to weigh in on any of this as a woman?

[Katie Porter]

I mean, I just find I'm. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around having the first horrific encounter with him. And then, you know, oh, well, now I'm comfortable. So I'll isolate myself with him again and get drunk. That doesn't.

[Joe Getty]

Well, closed one bar and moved on to the next. Yeah.

[Katie Porter]

This doesn't sound like. And she. From that statement alone, the whole quote, having a professional relationship, you don't go close bars with your boss.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know. This is not. This is not a good accuser from law enforcement.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's why I said I didn't want to have to rehab the MeToo conversation because I was so uncomfortable with the first time. Are we gonna decide as a society that anybody who is drunk by definition can't give consent? Because that is the stance of a lot of people. Anybody who's intoxicated can't give consent. Well, and you rapists, you got tens of millions of rapists in this country, if you're going to use that standard.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Katie Porter]

And when she's saying she doesn't remember anything, is she accusing him of drugging her, or did she black out because she was Drunk to.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wait, the first story, anyway, the way she portrayed it, it made it sound like her getting drunk and blacking out was on him.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Katie Porter]

Which I don't get, because in that second, that second clip, she said she went to the bathroom, and then she doesn't remember anything from there. I don't know if I've had that experience. Yeah, I. I'm sure we all have, but it's like, I don't understand.

[Jack Armstrong]

If she and I get up in the morning and think I drank too much, that's my fault.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, exactly. This is all not good. What would be the legal limit, by the way, for consenting to sex? How. How drunk is too drunk to drive your genital?

[Jack Armstrong]

They.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, they always use.

[Jack Armstrong]

And we've been complaining about this for years, they always use the legal. That's over two times the legal limit for driving. We're not talking about driving, so. But, yeah, I don't know, but you either believe in that standard or don't. It's a ridiculous standard. But a lot of your activists believe that if you're intoxicated, consent can't be given. You know, so when I saw the list of the four things, he was four different women, and the first one sounded pretty rapey. The fourth one was he put his hand on her leg and kissed her without consent. That sounds like every courtship that's ever existed. You go in for the kiss and they either say. They either respond approvingly or they say, I'm not ready for that yet. That's what it is.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's not. That's not a crime. So you can't be lumped that in with rape. All right. I just.

[Joe Getty]

Ah.

[Jack Armstrong]

This whole conversation I hate.

[Joe Getty]

Works on the Democrat side of the aisle, though. Can California produce. Can the Democratic Party in California produce a male politician who's not creepy? I mean, Katie, creepy or. No. Gavin Newsom. Oh, God.

[Katie Porter]

Is that a question?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes.

[Joe Getty]

Adam Schiff, creepy or no?

[Katie Porter]

Also creepy.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Eric Swalwell, Please. Ro Khanna. Extra creepy. Just all of them. So creepy.

[Katie Porter]

Just.

[Jack Armstrong]

Do we have more, you know, if

[Joe Getty]

the forcing himself stuff. Stuff is. Is true, but she has just a kind of flash of what happened in the night. Being hammered.

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[Katie Porter]

I take real issue with putting yourself back in that situation as well.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, well, we went through this with me, too. We had this conversation over and over again. Poor judgment doesn't allow you to. You know, I don't know the other person to repeat you.

[Katie Porter]

On the flip side, though, Eric Swalwell was one of the Guys out there saying believe all women during that whole thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, so. Right, right, right.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. So the irony. Courts would certainly convict him, but that's not a thing in America. Are we going to let the man speak for himself, Jack, or are you just going to slander him?

[Jack Armstrong]

I was just going to slander. He says he's completely innocent. Do we have clips of him saying that?

[Joe Getty]

Whatever. Yeah, give me 38. The, the first one. Allegations are false. Did not happen. Here's his follow up.

[Jack Armstrong]

I do not suggest to you in any way that I'm perfect or that I'm a saint. I have certainly made mistakes in judgment in my past, but those mistakes are between me and my wife. And to her, I apologize deeply for putting her in this position. I also apologize to you if in any way you have doubted your support from me. He was going out drinking with lots of women, including people. You also got the whole power thing, if you believe in that. So he's, he's the. I was going to say on top. That's not the way you can talk about this sort of thing. He's the powerful person. She's a staffer. That's by definition rape or sexual harassment, depending on the crowd you're talking to.

[Joe Getty]

Stop infantilizing women.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't, I don't like that standard. But. So he was doing this while he was married and you know, that's, that's not a crime. And, you know, voters get to decide whether or not they. But the way the Democrats came after him immediately over the weekend, every House of Representatives member who had endorsed him pulled their endorsement. Every single one. It's like 27 or something like that pulled their endorsement. Nancy Pelosi said this needs to be investigated, but it can't be investigated fairly while he's running for government's governor. So he needs to stop his campaign. I mean, all the heavy. The current. The leader for the Democrats in the House, King Jeffries, came out and said he's got to get out of the right. I mean, they turned on him fast. So I don't know if they have more solid rape information or if they just think we need to get him out of the race so a Democrat can win the governorship.

[Joe Getty]

Right. They were looking to clear the field and looking at their prospects for each of the people. What leverage do they have? And they came across this for school and nobody respects the guy anyway. So, yeah, yeah, it's just a hatchet job by his own party. Right. Get out of the way. So that charming flower of American womanhood Katie Porter.

[Jack Armstrong]

Get out of my shop. Get out of my shop.

[Joe Getty]

So she can ascend to the heights she's. She deserves.

[Katie Porter]

Yeah, the woman who throws boiling potatoes on her husband. Let her take the shot.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Belittles him and calls him names. Throws potatoes at him, which is inappropriate at best.

[Jack Armstrong]

So what? What? I don't know if we have this one. This is a. Is that the same staffer or different staffer who said they're going somewhere? She's driving him somewhere. He says, hey, pull over in this parking lot. He asks her to perform an act in the car on him. She. She says, sure, and does, but then is horrified by the fact that she did later or something. I don't know if it's the same woman or not. I don't know what to say about that.

[Joe Getty]

I think I do. Say no. I mean, again, don't infantilize women. Number one, because it's insulting and paternalistic, and I hate it. As a fan of strong, smart. And secondly, it teaches women that they do not have agency in their own sexual lives. That, well, if he has power over you, you kind of have to. So he raped you? No. Say no. Tell him to go to hell and get another job. That's. It's not an outlandish thing to suggest. It's the only thing to suggest. If your boss is demanding sex from you. Go tell the board of directors and get another job. Yeah, it'll suck. It'll be terrible.

[Jack Armstrong]

I imagine we'll get some pushback on the text line for this conversation. I think Eric Swalwell is at asshat. I hate to see him get out of the race just because I love the idea of two Republicans winning the Jungle primary. I think that's hilarious. Oh, yeah, if that happened in June. Anyway, Mark Halpern, by the way, says Tom Steyer is going to be California's next governor. He's the billionaire that's thrown around all the money.

[Joe Getty]

He is a lunatic leftist.

[Jack Armstrong]

We'll talk about that at a different time, but look forward to your responses to this whole Eric Swalwell thing. We got a lot more on the way. Stay here.

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a number of bars around the country have implemented a policy banning cell phones. This according to a recent lie a man told his wife. I thought that was pretty funny.

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[Jack Armstrong]

And it fits in with our Swalwell conversation. Whatever he was telling his wife while he was running around having sex with staffers, either consensual or not, we weren't there. We got a bunch of texts about that. Eric Swalwell's accusations aren't to bring him to justice for sexual assault. It's to kick him out of the California governor race. That's it. That is true. That's why this stuff came to light. Because apparently he'd been living this lifestyle for a long time.

[Joe Getty]

For further proof of that, Tim points out, first of all, that there's between four and 13 women coming forward. What kind of a range is that? But he says, and well known MAGA news outlets like the San Francisco Chronicle and CNN have the receipts.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, Right, right.

[Joe Getty]

So if some conservative gets some dirt on Swalwell, they're not going to cnn, they're going to Fox News.

[Jack Armstrong]

So we got this text. I agree with Katie. As a woman who experienced unwanted sexual advances from my boss, I would never have gone anywhere with him or had a drink with him or been alone with him. You wouldn't put yourself in a situation with the aggressor or rapist. Yeah, because if you didn't hear it, the woman who says she was raped by Swalwell, he. She'd already had sex with him once and thought it wasn't consensual, then went out for drinks with him again years later. I don't know. That doesn't mean you get to rape them. So that's allegedly. I feel like we've had these conversations several times. We have. Oh. Want to hit you with just some of the headlines that are out there. Cause there's a lot of stuff going on around this story. The billionaire that Swalwell was living with, he was living with this billionaire who was funding his campaign. And just because he likes Eric Swalwell and thinks his policies are great, not because he's expecting anything in return. In California, once Swalwell's Governor. That would be a horrible thing to think. But Swalwell was living with this billionaire who has now kicked him out of his home and wants a million dollars back that he has spent on Swalwell's campaign. He's demanding for the money back. Eric SWalwell suspends California governor's campaign after sex attacks, allegations rage and relief. But Eric Swalwell's implosion is Hollywood's latest black eye as LA power players validated enabled scandal scarred politician. Yes, the whole LA crowd probably knew he was this sort of guy, but we're okay with it.

[Joe Getty]

Is that the same billionaire who's at the center of it? And I wouldn't know any of this, except the New York Post has been running it. So hot at the center of that Penthouse pet model who rips off rich guys and he's engaged to her, but she's on trial. I think it may be the same billionaire guy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Klubeck.

[Joe Getty]

Stephen Klubeck. That's it. Yeah, because they mentioned in the article about the other thing that he's given millions of dollars to support Swalwell.

[Jack Armstrong]

He's a half a nut. The billionaire Klubeck. I don't know how you end up

[Joe Getty]

a billionaire like this timeshare magnate.

[Jack Armstrong]

He be right before Swalwell dropped out of the race, said to the California Post, I'm no longer supporting Eric Effing. Tell everyone I'm a Libertarian. F you Democratic Party. I'm a libertarian now, he said, because this is the way we all talk now. I guess the president, billionaires, everyone.

[Joe Getty]

This billionaire guy seems to be the absolute perfect example of laying down with dogs and waking up with fleas. Do you have any friends, lovers or associates who aren't despicable? Sir. Get some.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that's an interesting story. Well, he's, he's, he's out of the governor's race. He has dropped out. There's talk of pushing him out of the house and then an investigation, but based on what we've heard so far, I don't know if he should be going to jail over any of this. If you missed a segment, get the podcast. Armstrong and Yeti on demand.

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