You're The One Who Just Called Me A Sleazy Feline

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand: "You're The One Who Just Called Me A Sleazy Feline"

Release Date: June 19, 2025

In this episode of the official Armstrong & Getty On Demand podcast by iHeartPodcasts, hosts Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty delve into a range of hot-button topics, blending political commentary with cultural observations. The discussion is both lively and contentious, reflecting the polarized climate of contemporary media and politics.

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1. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s Controversial Comments on 'The View'

The episode kicks off with Armstrong and Getty reacting to Arnold Schwarzenegger's recent appearance on the daytime talk show The View. Schwarzenegger stated, “when you come to America, you're a guest. You have a responsibility as an immigrant to give back” ([01:36]). This remark did not sit well with the hosts, leading to spirited exchanges.

Jack Armstrong expressed strong disapproval:
"No. Crude. I don't approve. I disavow... I hope you leave enough room for my fist because I'm going to ram it into your stomach." ([02:27])

Joe Getty echoed the frustration, emphasizing the unwelcome nature of such blanket statements about immigrants:
"You're here from another country. Have a responsibility to give back. So turn around." ([02:20])

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2. Tucker Carlson’s Interview Tactics with Ted Cruz

A significant portion of the episode focuses on Tucker Carlson's interview with Senator Ted Cruz. Armstrong and Getty critique Carlson’s aggressive and often misleading questioning style.

Joe Getty remarked on the division within the Republican Party:
"A lot of mainstream media is playing clips of Tucker Carlson interviewing Ted Cruz... trying to portray the right as divided at each other's throats." ([02:42])

They highlight Carlson's persistence in attacking Cruz’s support for Israel, suggesting financial motivations behind his policies:
"Tucker keeps going back to that... You called me an anti-Semite. I did not." ([07:14])

The hosts accuse Carlson of twisting conversations and using unfair arguments to sidetrack the interviewee, noting,
"The multi-layered bad faith arguments are amazing." ([10:26])

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3. Dynamics Within Political Parties

Armstrong and Getty explore the internal diversity within political factions, particularly contrasting the Republican Party's varied viewpoints with what they perceive as a more monolithic Democratic coalition.

Joe Getty points out the lack of dissent within left-leaning media:
"Tell me a podcast that leans left where they aren't just uniformly opposed to Trump and ever argue with each other." ([03:43])

Jack Armstrong counters by referencing a university study on political disagreements, emphasizing the broader spectrum of opinions on the right:
"There’s no comparison. [...] you have a beautiful diversity of opinions on the right versus the left." ([03:55])

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4. Media Bias and Representation

The hosts discuss perceived biases in media coverage, particularly in how serious issues are framed. They critique outlets like ABC News for what they consider prejudicial language in reporting significant legal rulings.

Jack Armstrong critiques the Supreme Court ruling coverage:
"The amount of prejudicial language in there is amazing." ([23:04])

They lament the lack of balanced reporting, suggesting that mainstream media often fails to present nuanced perspectives.

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5. Supreme Court Ruling on Transgender Medical Care

A substantial segment is dedicated to the Supreme Court's decision to uphold Tennessee's ban on certain gender-affirming medical treatments for minors. Armstrong and Getty dissect the ruling, arguing that it improperly conflates gender identity with biological sex.

Joe Getty reacts to the conservative majority's stance:
"You’re freaking crazy... Medical care. In what sense is doing something completely unnecessary to a child? Medical care?" ([22:40])

Jack Armstrong further elaborates on the absurdity of the court's decision:
"The whole idea of a transgender boy... I reject the notion that there is such a thing as a transgender boy." ([28:58])

They criticize the use of language like "gender affirming care," asserting it legitimizes what they view as radical gender theories.

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6. Juneteenth: Historical Significance and Modern Challenges

In celebrating Juneteenth, the hosts reflect on its historical importance as the day when enslaved people in Texas were informed of their freedom, symbolizing the true end of slavery in the United States.

Joe Getty shares historical context:
"It's the anniversary of... Union General Gordon Granger arrived in Galveston, Texas, and announced general order number three, which stated that all enslaved people were free." ([35:00])

However, Armstrong and Getty express concern over the commercialization and politicization of Juneteenth:

Jack Armstrong states:
"It's incredibly moving... But like so many other things, in the wake of the George Floyd thing, pandering politicians and angry activists jammed it down America's throat." ([39:00])

They argue that the holiday has been co-opted by certain political movements, diluting its original significance.

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7. Scientific Breakthroughs: CRISPR and Gene Editing

The conversation briefly touches on recent advancements in gene editing technology, specifically CRISPR, and its potential to eliminate genetic disorders such as Down syndrome.

Joe Getty reflects on the ethical implications:
"If you can do that, you can also make everybody 6, 7 feet tall... an army out of them." ([19:35])

Jack Armstrong adds a cautionary note about the vast powers that such technologies confer:
"AI Nuclear weapons. Crispr. Yeah. We have these enormous powers now." ([19:47])

They acknowledge both the awe-inspiring potential and the fearsome possibilities of genetic manipulation.

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8. Pop Culture and Historical References

The hosts weave in references to pop culture and historical events, adding a lighter dimension to the discussion.

Joe Getty reminisces about the lasting impact of the film Jaws:
"It's the 50th anniversary of Jaws debuting... made people irrationally scared of being attacked by sharks." ([34:29])

They also discuss the enduring presence of Cheerios in the cereal aisle amidst product discontinuations, highlighting nostalgia and consumer habits.

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Conclusion

Throughout the episode, Armstrong and Getty maintain a critical stance on mainstream media practices, political discourse, and societal changes. Their conversation reflects a broader skepticism towards media narratives and political strategies, emphasizing the need for honest and fair discussions on contentious issues.

Notable Quote for Reflection:
"We're taking it back. To quote Bono, yeah, you don't get to use that. Use Juneteenth for all that crap. That's not what it is." ([40:03])

This episode encapsulates the hosts' commitment to challenging prevailing narratives and advocating for what they perceive as truth and integrity in public discourse.

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For those interested in hearing more about the Medal of Honor, the episode includes several promotional segments highlighting the bravery and sacrifice of U.S. military heroes, available on the iHeartRadio app and other podcast platforms.

Transcript

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[Jack Armstrong]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty. And now here's A.R. armstrong and Getty. Arnold Schwarzenegger appeared on the View this week. Arnold told the host that when you come to America, you're a guest. You have a responsibility as an immigrant to give back. This is also what he told the maid that he knocked up from Guatemala. Wow. Echo, baby.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

You idiot.

[Joe Getty]

You're here from another country. Have a responsibility to give back. So turn around.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

No. Crude. I don't approve. I disavow. I disavow. But I hope you leave enough room for my fist because I'm going to ram it into your stomach.

[Joe Getty]

They say that on the View.

[Jack Armstrong]

We have Some view clips of Arnold. We ought to dredge those back up and use them later.

[Joe Getty]

So I was actually just doubting whether or not this Tucker Carlson, Ted Cruz stuff is worth doing. And this is matter. I mean, I looked up at ABC News and they got a clip of it and I saw it on Morning Joe today also. I mean, a lot of mainstream media is playing clips of Tucker Carlson interviewing Ted Cruz and Ted Cruz's off Senator senatorial office there in Washington D.C. they love Trump trying to portray the right as divided at each other's throats, as if the Democratic Party hasn't been a coalition of people that don't agree forever. And I mean, it's more of a coalition than the Republican Party has ever been by far, but kind of an artificial coalition. Yeah, but before we play a clip, I ask again. I take in a bunch of right leaning media like podcasts and stuff like that, and they disagree on things all the time.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Tell me a podcast that leans left where they aren't just uniformly opposed to Trump and ever argue with each other. I assume they exist, but I have never found one.

[Jack Armstrong]

I just found a great, really interesting university study. I could probably find it if you give me half an hour. But that showed the breadth of disagreement and breadth of opinions on the right versus the left. I mean, there's no comparison. You're absolutely right with that point. If you watch even more broadly and more interestingly, just to get back to the Iran question for now, you have AOC and MTG singing a beautiful duet of We Shouldn't get into this. So it's. Yeah, it's a great question. Who believes what and why.

[Joe Getty]

You watch cnn, they'll have nine panelists who all agree. Why do you have nine people on to say the same thing? You watch a lot of Fox shows. They'll have somebody there reporting on the left side of the story. Juan Williams every Sunday with Shannon Bream on her show. You don't get that on. I know. I don't know why. I don't know why. Because I think it'd be way more interesting and better tv, audio, podcast, whatever.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, because conservatives are generally more individualists than lefties who are collectivists. You're a collectivist. You all have to agree.

[Joe Getty]

I guess that makes sense. So this is pretty juicy chunk of the two hour interview Tucker did with Ted Cruz. And I watched the whole freaking thing and found it pretty damned interesting, both substantively from a personal standpoint of two people getting angry with each other than having to calm down and continue to talk and then learning something about how to argue unfairly if I ever decide. I just want to piss people off. Because Tucker's really good at that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. He is the master. He might be the old timer.

[Joe Getty]

So one thing Tucker does regularly is he interrupts you while you're in the middle of something and gets you sidetracked on a completely different topic. And. And he did that with Ted Cruz a whole bunch of different times. And it was about him taking money from some organization that supports Israel. And if he's in the pocket of Israel and this sort of stuff. And so that's kind of where they were when it goes here.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

It's just interesting because what you're now describing in a very defensive way, I will say is foreign influence over our politics.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

No.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

And you began, and it's so transparently obvious to everybody. I don't know why you'd be embarrassed of it. You've said that you are sincerely for Israel. I believe you. I don't think you have some weird agenda. You seem to.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

By the way. By the way, Tucker, it's a very weird thing, the obsession with Israel when we're talking about foreign countries.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Hardly an obsession.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

You're not talking about Chinese, you're not talking about Japanese, you're not talking about the Brits, you're not talking about the French. The question, what about the Jews? What about the Jews?

[Unknown Speaker 1]

I'm an anti Semite.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Now you're asking the questions, Tucker. You're asking, why are the Jews controlling our foreign policy? That's what you just asked.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Hardly saying that. And I have.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

That is exactly what you just said.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Well, actually, I can speak for myself and tell you what I am saying.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Good.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

On behalf, not simply of myself, but on my many Jewish friends who would have the same questions. Which is to what extent. And it's interesting, you're trying to derail my questions by calling me an anti Semite. Which you are.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

I did not.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Of course you are. And rather than be honorable enough to say it right to my face, you are sitting in a squeezy feline way, implying it or just asking questions about the Jews. I'm not asking questions about the Jews. I have. There's nothing to do with Jews or Judaism. It has to with a foreign government.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Isn't Israel controlling our foreign policy? That's not about the Jews.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

You said I'm asking.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

And by the way, you're the one that just called in think is sleazy feline. So let's clear.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, I want to look away But I can't.

[Joe Getty]

You're the one who just called me a sleazy feline.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Sleazy feline way. Implying it.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. Tucker is brilliant at unfair arguments. He's just brilliant, too, and a great writer. But he's. He's twisted. He's gone to the. The dark side.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Just called me, I think, a sleazy feline.

[Joe Getty]

That's right. And Tucker keeps going back to that. For them, this happens early. Keeps going back to it for, like, the next hour and 45 minutes. Well, you called me an anti Semite. I did not.

[Jack Armstrong]

He implied it.

[Joe Getty]

Sure he did.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Although that was like four digressions from the point they were talking about.

[Joe Getty]

Yes. And Tucker implied that he is just. That Ted Cruz is only standing up for Israel because he's taking money from various lobbies and. And he's in the pocket of. So.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

You know, so let's go to a different topic.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Russia.

[Joe Getty]

And they got into the discussion of why Tucker Carlson's always on the side of Russia and him going over there to interview Putin and Putin and going to the grocery store and all that sort of st. So here's a little of that.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

And you think that the largest act of industrial sabotage in history helped our allies in Western Europe or other native fellow NATO members.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Look, I gotta say, I don't understand. For some reason, you are really invested in defending Russia, and I don't get that. I'm not attacking you with that. I'm genuinely like. I don't get why you're so passionate about defending Russia.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Actually, I was defending Western Europe, the. The home of my ancestors and that, you know, tripling their energy costs and destroying their industrial base. No, not. No, not like you just accused me of being an anti Semite, an isolationist and a Russia lackey. I've not called you a neocon once, which you are, but I have.

[Joe Getty]

That's absurd.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Yeah, those neocons that oppose the Iraq war.

[Jack Armstrong]

But like, that.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

That's okay. But I haven't called you that because. Namely, we just said, which you are.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

So you just called them call me that. You just did.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

I guess what I'm saying is you're triggered because I use name calling. I get it. I was triggered when you called me names. And I'm triggered once again that you're calling me a Russia defender when in fact, I'm defending Western Europe.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, you're not.

[Joe Getty]

No. So it wasn't all that. I mean, they would get further into it and. But like I mentioned this earlier in the show, and Tucker kept going back to, I walked past drug addicts dying on the streets every day. Why aren't we doing something about that? How much money did we send to Israel? How much money have we spent helping Israel in the last month fighting Iran? And Ted Cruz Will said, well, I don't have the exact number. You don't know, you don't know how much money we've sent to Israel. And I just stepped over five people dying on the sidewalk today. You know, that sort of conversation.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. The multi layered bad faith arguments are amazing.

[Joe Getty]

And I don't. So I guess that's what people are talking about with the woke.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Is that, am I right here in that. What, when did, when did worrying about drug addicts in the street become such a big deal?

[Jack Armstrong]

I just.

[Joe Getty]

What are you supposed to do about that?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, yeah. What do you want done? In what way is the obvious.

[Joe Getty]

I don't want people to become drug addicts, die in the street, but I don't know how I can stop them. And I'm more concerned about how they're damaging my life than how much more tax money I can give to, to help them. Because we've given tremendous amounts of tax money.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, right. I think California has been a very useful laboratory of democracy. Okay. You want to take enormous amounts of money that could be spent for other things, in the case of Tucker's argument, Ukraine, for instance, or Israel, and throw it at a prejudicial phrase, the quote unquote homeless problem. California has tried that. It was enormously wasteful and encouraged people to become or continue to be drug addicts.

[Joe Getty]

I don't think throw it at the problem is a prejudicial phrase in this, not in California, this context, because they got caught not keeping track of where the money went, how it was spent, or did it do any good. So that actually is just throwing money at a problem.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're right. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Usually it's a prejudicial phrase. Not in this case. But.

[Richard Karn]

So I don't, I don't, I don't.

[Joe Getty]

Get if that's what the Tucker crowd and the woke.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Are into. And then some of you are explain to me how spending less money on defending Israel or Ukraine would fix that. For one thing, I think they might.

[Jack Armstrong]

In good faith say, and I'm trying to imagine based on, you know, some of our correspondents who swing that way and there aren't many at all, but they would say, look, I don't have the particulars of the policy. I just want more focus on the United States. As a unit, internally growing it, stimulating our economy, looking out for our workers. You know, just to everything. Less foreign, less global policemen, more what can we do here at home.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, for some reason, they couldn't ever really get that conversation going of Ted Cruz trying to convince Tucker Carlson is, as I often do, and I'm talking on the air, that it is in America's interest. It is not just to help someone else. I believe some of us believe it is in America's interest to keep Iran from getting a nuclear weapon.

[Jack Armstrong]

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Yep.

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[Joe Getty]

No doubt.

[Jack Armstrong]

There can be no accusation of being soft on Russia. That isn't ridiculous. You remember the Steele dossier? Come on. And in the same way, because there are too many people who say any opposition to Israel's policies is anti SEM. Sometimes it's appropriate, sometimes it's not. It's just a disagreement. Because of that, there can be no accusation of anti Semitism. That isn't laughable. No, some are legit. It's like the racist thing. We said it a million times during the whole woke up. We came up with a better name than that. I can't remember what it was. The repression. The great repression. Anyway, that because everybody was calling everybody racist for everybody, it was giving great cover to actual racists. That's kind of the flip side of that same coin.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. If you have any comment on that, give us a text. 415295 KFTC. And.

[Jack Armstrong]

And you're going to argue unfairly like Tucker with me, right?

[Joe Getty]

Yes. At some point later in the show, I think I learned from Tucker how to argue Tucker style. Maybe one of the greatest scientific breakthroughs that I can remember hearing in a long time with gene editing, among other things to tell you about on the way. Stay here.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

They just called me, I think, a sleazy feline cat pervert.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

[J.R. Martinez]

The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States. Recipients have done the improbable, showing immense bravery and sacrifice in the name of something much bigger than themselves.

[Narrator]

This medal is for the men who went down that day. It's for the families of those who didn't make it.

[J.R. Martinez]

I'm J.R. martinez. I'm a U.S. army veteran myself, and I'm honored to tell you the stories of these heroes on the new season of Medal of Stories of Courage from Pushkin Industries and I Heart podcast from Robert Blake, the first black sailor to be awarded the medal to Daniel Daly, one of only 19 people to have received the Medal of Honor twice. These are stories about people who have distinguished themselves by acts of valor going above and beyond the call of duty. You'll hear about what they did, what it meant, and what their stories tell us about the nature of courage and sacrifice. Listen to Medal of Honor on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

The Louvre in Paris shut down this week after employees went on strike to protest mass tourism. You don't like tourists. You're a museum. Where are the tourists supposed to go? Do you think people are like, we should really go to Paris this year and see their banks?

[Joe Getty]

I don't know if you've ever been in a really, really crowded tourist spot, but it's pretty easy to wonder, why am I here? I am not enjoying this on any level.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, yeah, it's a net negative. You get like one of your major museums after, say, 1:30 in the afternoon. No, get me out of there.

[Joe Getty]

I will say my life experience is definitely go. When something opens, you'll beat like 80% of people, most people just won't. Just can't get around getting there early. My kids hate it, but I get us up and get us out the door and we get there when places open and you beat most of the crowd a couple of. First a dumb thing before we get to a very important thing. General Mills has discontinued three Cheerios flavors. I'm a big Cheerios fan. Just regular Cheerios, though The regular little oatmeal circle that is. Got no sugar or fat or anything like that in it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, General Mills hasn't been the same since Pete Hegseth fired him.

[Joe Getty]

They've gotten rid of Honey Nut Cheerios Medley Crunch, which is probably not as healthy as the regular Cheerios or chocolate peanut butter Cheerio Crunch, along with some other Honey Nut thing. So sorry to see those go. It's amazing that the humble Cheerio hangs around as a popular cereal in the cereal aisle still in big boxes. And apparently I'm not the only one.

[Jack Armstrong]

Bit of a post depression feel.

[Joe Getty]

It's like I'm eating something from the 40s and I don't think I've ever. I haven't been to a cereal aisle ever where it doesn't have boxes of Cheerios. And I don't think I've ever met another person who eats them in my whole life. So some of. Some of us are eating them, but this is the good news. So, children, do you remember what the big CRISPR breakthrough was a couple of weeks ago? It was some horrible childhood thing that they figured out and actually stopped were.

[Jack Armstrong]

Able to maybe with a rare disease. Yeah, I remember that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Pretty incredible. They now think down syndrome could be eliminated. Scientists say they've narrowed down the genes and with the CRISPR technology, they think they could cut out that extra chromosome that causes that to happen. Like not. This isn't one of those. Could happen. Maybe a paper written 30 years from now. No, this is like really, really could happen. Like that other thing did.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Wouldn't that be something?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Yeah. It's both awe inspiring and. And fear inspiring in a way. We have these enormous powers now, right?

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

AI Nuclear weapons. Crispr.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. One, there's always the possibility that a lot of. I don't know what's the right term that's not insulting. Defects or whatever are for a reason that we don't understand. There's always the possibility of that. There's also the. This isn't a possibility. This is a reality that if you can do that, you can also make everybody 6, 6, 7ft tall. 280 pounds and mostly muscle to make an army out of them. If you're North Korea or China, sure.

[Jack Armstrong]

They're working on it as we speak, I'm sure.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Uh, speaking of childhood and, and. And genetics and that sort of thing, the Supreme Court ruling that powerful transgender treatments for kids can be made illegal in your state. Maybe it is already. And that the 14th amendment got nothing to do with it. Great ruling. And serious overreach by the gender bending madness crowd.

[Joe Getty]

We probably ought to touch on what Juneteenth is. Today's holiday, national holiday. At some point. A bunch of stuff on the way. Stay here.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

[J.R. Martinez]

The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States. Recipients have done the improbable, showing immense bravery and sacrifice in the name of something much bigger than themselves.

[Narrator]

This medal is for the men who went down that day. It's for the families of those who didn't make it.

[J.R. Martinez]

I'm J.R. martinez. I'm a U.S. army veteran myself, and I'm honored to tell you the stories of these heroes on the new season of Medal of Stories of Courage from Pushkin Industries and iHeart podcast. From Robert Blake, the first black sailor to be awarded the medal to Daniel Daly, one of only 19 people to have received the Medal of Honor twice. These are stories about people who have distinguished themselves by acts of valor going above and beyond the call of duty. You'll hear about what they did, what it meant, and what their stories tell us about the nature of courage and sacrifice. Listen to Medal of Honor on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Unknown Speaker 3]

The Supreme Court's conservative majority upholding Tennessee's ban on some gender affirming medical care for transgender minors. In the 6 to 3 decision, Chief Justice John Roberts, citing evolving science and profound implications, rejecting the argument that denying trans kids access to puberty blockers and hormone therapy amounts to sex discrimination. Roberts writing, the issue should be left to the people, their elected representatives, and the democratic process. Justice Sonia Sotomayor, joined by liberal Justices Kagan and Jackson, dissented in sadness, writing, the court's decision inflicts untold harm to transgender children and the parents and families who love them.

[Joe Getty]

You're freaking crazy. God, that the. They wrote the headlines on this decision right there. That guy, his first sentence. Medical care. In what sense is doing something completely unnecessary to a child? Medical care?

[Jack Armstrong]

That was a 38 second clip. I could teach a college class on that. 38 seconds.

[Joe Getty]

No kidding.

[Jack Armstrong]

There was so much there, so much pressure Prejudicial language. Actually, when the facts popped up, they were pretty good. It was pretty even handed report. But my God, the amount of prejudicial language in there is amazing.

[Joe Getty]

Medical care.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know, I know. I almost want to go through that like sentence by phrase by phrase. Tour de force, bad reporting. Anyway, that was. Let's discredit where it's due. That was what ABC tonight, no surprise. They're terrible.

[Joe Getty]

Everybody did that, though. Everybody but Fox in the New York Post pretty much went with a setback for transgender rights as opposed to majority opinion agreeing with the majority opinion of the United States.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. Bizarre new medical experiments on children no longer allowed. I read some editorializing by the National Review yesterday that was much closer to that. And if you look at established norms, plus polls, which Jack alluded to there and arrived at something like a consensus, my headline is much more accurate than the ABC News headline.

[Joe Getty]

Could have thrown in. A joining with Europe. The United States now could have done that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Joining with the vast majority of the rest of the world. Yeah, that excellent point. Yeah. You know what struck me in listening to that? And as I've been preparing for this segment, it's one of those fundamental worldview issues like Thomas Sowell wrote about in his brilliant to conflict divisions. You got two groups of people who see the world completely differently. Specifically, you either believe that a child or an adolescent or a teen can decide they're the other sex and they're right. And that is as true as their height or their number of fingers. You either believe that completely or you reject it completely. So it's difficult to cross that divide.

[Joe Getty]

So if I was going to argue the other side of it, the belief is you need to do this when they're young, either before or while they're going through puberty. Otherwise, you know, they're going through a transition to a. Their bodies are going through changes to become a gender that they aren't.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

And it's a horrifying thing to do to someone.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. If I accept your premise, then that's a defensible argument. I think the premise is obscene. It's delusional. It's crazy. It's just wrong. And so once you accept a premise that's that crazy. And it just, you know, it's funny, it just dawned on me that's what bothers me so much about even like Fox News coverage of these issues, their language acts as if they've accepted the premise of radical gender theory.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Which was a fringe of a fringe of a political slash philosophical view. Not Very long ago and deserves to go back there.

[Joe Getty]

If you use the phrase gender affirming care, you have accepted the premise that this is all a thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. More specifically about this case. And I could get into some of the unhinged quotes from Sonia Sotomayor, for instance, who is just unhinged with emotional arguments that also. Also completely by the premise, and I think that's probably the fundamental question. But so the case that the transgender activist lunatics had brough, which was a real gamble and a bad one, uh, and there's a lot of analysis of that on the left these days. But what they were claiming was the 14th Amendment, which guarantees equal protection of the laws. Okay, this is a 14th amendment case because a male, a boy, can be prescribed testosterone to conform to his gender identity if he has a hormone problem or something like that. But you are saying in these laws, a girl, a female, can't get that same medical treatment. That's sex discrimination. That was the claim. I find that claim to be patently absurd. On a number of different levels. If the same drug, substance, gene. We were talking about crispr earlier, hormone, platelets, plasma, has an enormously different effect on one patient over the other. It's not, quote, unquote, the same treatment. It's the same substance. But, I mean, this is a ridiculous example, but I don't think it's out of bounds. If you were to inject giraffe blood into me, it would kill.

[Joe Getty]

Slow down a second. You got to let us take that in.

[Jack Armstrong]

It would kill me. It might help an anemic giraffe.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, so I've gone to the doctor.

[Jack Armstrong]

Substance.

[Joe Getty]

You know what you need?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, doctor.

[Joe Getty]

An injection of giraffe blood.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why giraffe blood? I never even considered that, doctor.

[Joe Getty]

Well, you're the doctor.

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly. It's an absurd example, but the point being, that substance would have a vast different effect on me than it would on, say, a baby giraffe and likewise, boys and girls. It's an absurd argument.

[Joe Getty]

You know, Doc, I find myself having difficulty reaching the highest leaves. You know what you need?

[Jack Armstrong]

All right, so the Biden administration that originally joined in the horrifyingly wrong side in this case claimed that this law in Tennessee. I'm sorry, it was. They were trying to overturn a Tennessee law which is shared by roughly half the states, and soon all of them, I hope a teenager whose sex assigned at birth is male. Right there. Stop it. Nobody assigns your sex at birth, it's observed, except in an exceedingly rare number of cases in which there's ambiguous Genitalia or both or et cetera. And I just don't mean external genitalia, but testicles and ovaries as well, or a chromosomal abnormality.

[Joe Getty]

Is there a band called Ambiguous Genitalia? I mean, if there's not in like Portland or Seattle or someplace like that, some college down there certainly should be, they probably are.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, it's unsigned garage band somewhere, so. Chief Justice Roberts wrote SB1. The law prohibits healthcare providers from administering puberty blockers and hormones to minors for certain medical uses for when, for example, a transgender boy. And again, stop using the language of radical gender theory. Why have we adopted their language anyway? When, for example, a girl takes puberty blockers to. Wow. Roberts even refers to the girl taking hormones, male hormones, as his. As he.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, really?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. He was going out of his way.

[Jack Armstrong]

To be fair, I guess, and not come off as a quote unquote bigot. But again, you've bought the original premise. I'm just going to read it to you because I was going to try to translate it into actual the proper pronouns, but it's too confusing. When, for example, a transgender boy whose biological sex is female takes puberty blockers to treat his gender incongruence, he receives a different medical treatment than a boy whose biological sex is male who takes puberty blockers to treat his precocious puberty or whatever. Anyway, the whole idea of a transgender boy. No, no. Why are you adopting that language? It is a moment of confusion, social pressure, mass delusion, sexual kink, whatever. But I reject the notion that there is such a thing as a transgender boy. Won't even use the term. Anyway, please do not use gendered language to, to address everyone. It'd be pretty tough to even tell you about this case without that to, to. So it's a great, it's a great decision. That said, essentially, no, the people of Tennessee and the other states can look at these medical treatments for which the science is awful. I mean, it is not even the barest bones of preliminary. Yes, this is. Okay, type substantiation. It's, it's terrible. The people of Tennessee can look at that and say, no, we're not going to do this to our children in the state of Tennessee, said the Supreme Court. That's the long and short of the ruling. Hey la, hey la, let the gavel ring down.

[Joe Getty]

So in our three, we'll have to get back into, you know, what's going to happen with the United States and Iran and all that, and what Trump has been saying in the last 24 hours. But today is June 19th. It's the anniversary of a couple of things, one incredibly important one not, but still worth noting. We'll get to that coming up next.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

[J.R. Martinez]

The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States. Recipients have done the improbable, showing immense bravery and sacrifice in the name of something much bigger than themselves.

[Narrator]

This medal is for the men who went down that day. It's for the families of those who didn't make it.

[J.R. Martinez]

I'm J.R. martinez. I'm a U.S. army veteran myself, and I'm honored to tell you the stories of these heroes on the new season of Medal of Stories of Courage from Pushkin Industries and I Heart podcast from Robert Blake, the first black sailor to be awarded the medal. To Daniel Daly, one of only 19 people to have received the Medal of Honor twice. These are stories about people who have distinguished themselves by acting of valor, going above and beyond the call of duty. You'll hear about what they did, what it meant, and what their stories tell us about the nature of courage and sacrifice. Listen to Medal of Honor on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Joe Getty]

Slower, hedge.

[Jack Armstrong]

I can go slow ahead. Come on down and chum some of this.

[Joe Getty]

Uh oh, I know that. No, this isn't good. I'm getting out of the water. I hear a cello like that.

[Jack Armstrong]

You'Re gonna need a bigger folks.

[Joe Getty]

Tell you what, you're swimming and you hear the cello. Get out of the water. It's the 50th anniversary of Jaws debuting and it was a big hit. And made people irrationally and made people irrationally scared of being attacked by sharks because it almost never happens, myself included.

[Jack Armstrong]

As a young lad who spent every chunk of every summer on the New Jersey shore.

[Joe Getty]

Now everybody thinks that shark finna bite your arm off. And it ain't another thing that happened on this day, aside from Jaws debuting was in 1865 on this day. The reason we call it Juneteenth. I don't know if the harp was appropriate there, Gladys. Union General Gordon Granger arrived in Galveston, Texas, and announced general order number three, which stated that all enslaved people were free. This had happened over two years after President Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation. Texas was one of the last Confederate states where slavery continued. So the news reaching there symbolized the true end of slavery. In practice, Juneteenth is seen as America's second Independence Day. Kind of fitting in with what?

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, all right.

[Joe Getty]

Well, that's more or less what Lincoln was saying in his speech about, you know, the second Declaration of our founding, that whole thing. And I was just going to read a little bit from what Tim Sandifer, our friend, wrote for the Goldwater Institute a couple of years back. He reprinted it today. Juneteenth celebrates spirit of Americans dedicated to securing promise of freedom. Juneteenth is more than a celebration of freedom. It's a celebration of one of mankind's greatest triumphs, the war against enslavement. It's a beautiful and moving story and one all Americans should be proud of. For countless generations before the birth of the United States, Europeans, and in fact the peoples of all the earth, believe that human beings are bound by destiny. Born into a caste to rule or to be ruled, to conquer or to be conquered. Such thinking had indeed left much of the known world enslaved in one way or another. Africans, Asians, Native American tribes practiced forms of slavery. And Europeans brought slavery to North America, first with the conquistadors who came to capture the natives, and two centuries later with the traffic in enslaved Africans. And by the time Thomas Jefferson began writing the Declaration of Independence, black Americans had been held in bondage for a century and a half. Never before in history had a society seriously tried to eliminate the institution of human enslavement. Some philosophers had, on occasion, questioned slavery's legitimacy. But the idea of ending it on a nationwide scale had never been taken seriously. Never, that is, until the last quarter of the 18th century. It was then that the ideas that we call classical liberalism, ideas developed by thinkers of widely different backgrounds in many different countries, climaxed with the Declaration that everyone had a basic and ineradicable right to freedom, the right to choose one's own destiny and work towards owns happiness. This was a truly radical idea, something genuinely new in the political world. And it foretold a drastic transformation in society. And then he gets into Lincoln's Declaration of a second Founding and trying to get the promise of the Declaration of Independence into actual action in our country. But I wish this was Tim's piece, or any of the pieces that he references was presented in schools as often as the 1619 project is, which has the exact opposite take on the whole thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. Yeah. I was going to mention, I'd imagine a handful or more of our listeners are listening to that. Somewhat uncomfortable and maybe even not sure why. I've been thinking about this a lot. I happen to come across an article explaining, meaning that Plano, Illinois, which is unlike the way way outskirts of Chicagoland, they were the first town to have an official Juneteenth holiday in recent vintage. Anyway, they have called it off this year because so many companies are not wanting to sponsor it because their customers will boycott them if they do.

[Joe Getty]

And their companies will boycott them. People will boycott the company if they do celebrate Juneteenth.

[Jack Armstrong]

If they sponsor the celebration. Yeah, and I'll tell you why. And this is. It's a real good lesson. June Juneteenth is, as Tim was describing it, an important moment. It's incredibly moving. If you hear, if you read about the folks who are enslaved in Texas who two years later or still being held and realized that they were actually free and blah, blah, blah, living up to our founding premises. It's a beautiful thing. But like so many other things, in the wake of the George Floyd thing, pandering politicians and angry activists jammed it down America's throat, along with compulsory anti racism training and Robin D' Angelo and Ibram X Kendi in the 1619 Project. And Juneteenth got lumped in. In with all of that awful stuff. And that is sad.

[Joe Getty]

Well, we're taking it back. To quote Bono, yeah, you don't get to use that. Use Juneteenth for all that crap. That's not what it is. As Tim retweeted somebody else's article about this is our most libertarian holiday.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it's a shame it got caught up in the neo Marxist movement of seizing control of institutions by calling people racists so that they were afraid to say anything or object to the takeover of their institutions. But there we have. That's the. That's. I, I'm so glad you read that because that's at the heart of it. Not Joe Biden pandering, not Ibram effing X Kendi. What Jack read, that's what it's about.

[Joe Getty]

Tim wrote. More importantly, I will, I will retweet that so you could all check it out if you wanted to. And we'll post Tim's piece. Does the Ayatollah live to cease the. To. To see the first day of summer, which is a couple of days now. That's a good question. Does the Ayatollah live till summer?

[Jack Armstrong]

I hope so, because I know he loves surfing and softball.

[Joe Getty]

We'll get into all that in hour three. If you missed a segment, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on Demand.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

[J.R. Martinez]

The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States. Recipients have done the improbable, the unexpected, showing immense bravery and sacrifice in the name of something much bigger than themselves.

[Narrator]

This medal is for the men who went down that day on Medal of.

[J.R. Martinez]

Honor Stories of Courage. You'll hear about these heroes and what their stories tell us about the nature of bravery. Listen to Medal of Honor on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is an iHeart podcast.