I almost stopped this episode mid-recording. That's never happened before.

Dr. John Demartini is a human behavior specialist, bestselling author of over 40 books, and one of the featured teachers in the global phenomenon The Secret. He has spoken in over 100 countries, shared stages with Deepak Chopra, Stephen Covey, and Richard Branson, and has spent over five decades developing methodologies used by psychologists, educators, and executives around the world. He is, by any measure, one of the most influential voices in the personal development space.

He also told me, to my face, that there are "upsides to the murder of children." That evil does not exist. That a person torturing another person is simply an event, not a moral violation. That every act of cruelty is just a projection of our incomplete awareness. And Jesus is neither good nor bad, and “Rumi is a jihadist in his own way.”

I couldn't let that stand.

What followed was the most heated, raw, and philosophically charged conversation I've ever had on this show. We went round after round on moral relativism, the nature of good and evil, the body's innate knowledge of right and wrong, and whether we have a sacred obligation to stand against cruelty or simply find the blessing in it.

This is not a comfortable listen. But it might be one of the most important conversations I’ve ever had.

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No Such Thing As Evil? (SHOCKING DEBATE) | Dr. John Demartini #521