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Banquet: The Untold Story of Adelaide’s Family Murders with Debi Marshall *Re-Issue*
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Before we begin today's episode of Australian True Crime, I want to tell you about a new project we've been working on behind the scenes.
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It's called she Matters.
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It's a new podcast from award winning journalist and femicide researcher Sherrelle Moody.
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Each week, Sherrelle speaks with families of.
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Women and children killed in Australia, sharing who they were, the joy they brought.
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And the love they left behind.
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She Matters isn't a true crime podcast.
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But it's about lives lived, lives loved and lives lost.
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She Matters is produced by Dash Made Podcasts in association with bravecasting Media.
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She Matters is available wherever you get your podcasts. The following podcast contains accounts of child sexual assault. Listener discretion is advised. Bevan Spencer Von Einem, convicted of the murder of one young man and suspected of several more, died in prison recently.
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The crimes he was associated with became.
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Known as Adelaide's family murders. For years, rumours spread about the identities of von Einem's co offenders, adding to Adelaide's reputation as the creepy murder capital of Australia. Legendary journalist Deb Marshall wrote the definitive book on the subject. It's called the Untold Story of Adelaide's Family Murders, and she joined us on Australian True Crime to talk about it.
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This is Australian True Crime.
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We acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which this podcast is created, the Wurundjeri Woi Wurrung people of the Kulin Nation.
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Debbie Marshall
My name's Debbie Marshall. I'm an investigative crime journalist. And for more than three decades I've reported for tv, radio and print. I've written eight books, mostly true crime, and won a leadership Walkley Award. And I also track down the killer of my own partner. I don't tell crime stories simply for their salacious and sordid detail. I reinvestigate them for a purpose. To try and help find justice. And to this end, I've just spent the past 18 months investigating sensational South Australian murders from 40 years ago. It's led me from the Australian outback to the Adriatic coast into a terrifying world of abductions, killings and cover ups committed by a shadowy network of paedophiles known colloquially as the family. Between 1979 and 1983, five young men that we know of were abducted from the streets of Adelaide, held captive, drugged and sexually tortured before being brutally murdered. And there were at least 150 boys who were also abducted, raped and then discarded. They were the lucky ones who survived.
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Debbie Marshall joins us in this episode of Australian True Crime to talk about her latest book, the Untold Story of Adelaide's Family Murders. Many of you will be familiar with Debbie Marshall's investigation into Adelaide's so called family murders because of her Foxtel series Frozen Lies and the podcast of the same name. The book, the Untold Story of Adelaide's Family Murders brings it all together, ties up some loose ends and really clarifies the remaining mysteries needing to be solved for the families of the victims. For those of you who are new to this story, you're about to learn about one of the cases that gives Adelaide its dark reputation. Although only one man has ever been convicted in connection with the sexual assaults and violent murders of young men, it's long been rumoured that a group of high profile men were involved. Those rumours were only encouraged by the rather flamboyant name of the man convicted. Bevan Spencer von Einem. Definitely sounds like a villain connected with a grand conspiracy. He was actually an accountant who lived with his mother and spent his weekends doling out handfuls of prescription drugs at gay bars around Adelaide, which made him quite well known and popular on the scene. But Adelaide's reputation was already building. In 1978, the first of eight known victims of serial killers, Christopher Worrall and James Miller was discovered in Bushland near the small South Australian town of Truro. They became known as the Truro murders and they shocked the nation. At around that time, gay men were being thrown into the River Torrens that snakes its way through the city and sexual assaults were being committed on young men with regularity. But the family murders were something else altogether. Although thanks to a veil of secrecy and a complex web of suppression orders, we still don't know exactly what they were.
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Anyone who has friends from Adelaide of enough of an age, they will tell you these what sound like crazy conspiracy theories and you think to yourself, oh God, come on. But then listening to your show, I realized, wow, I mean, a lot of this stuff is actually true. And now of course you have extra stuff in the book. Did you always know that there was a lot of real truth to these crazy rumours?
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Debbie Marshall
Oh, not really. I mean, I was circling the story for about 20 years. And I was, you know, when I was really young, I was at university in Adelaide for two years and the Truro murders had just happened then. So I sort of knew then that there was a dark space there and that it wasn't safe for women or men. And then I started to look at the family murders and knew that I had to be at the top of my game before I went in there because, you know, we all know as you no reading the book, it is beyond dark, this story, but for that reason beyond important to tell as well. So I didn't know I needed to go in and interrogate what was the truth, what were the lies and what lay in between. And hopefully I've done that as best I can.
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Host
And not only dark, but it feels like the perpetrators, the offenders are incredibly prepared for investigation. So you have to be on top of your game for that reason as well.
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Debbie Marshall
Yeah, prepared in, in that they, you know, they obviously knew what they were doing when they went out on these ghastly hunting trips for, for young men. But some of them appear to be very opportunistic as well. For example, the, the last murder of Richard Kelvin, if indeed it was the last murder, I'm not convinced that is the case, but if it was, then, you know, that was definitely an opportunistic pickup.
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I.
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He was literally just, you know, a minute from home, that gorgeous poor young 15 year old boy. I mean it's, it's hard as a mother to actually imagine not just what he went through but what his family and friends went through.
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Well, we'll come to that. But when you say it's hard as a mother, you are uniquely placed though because you have lived through early in your life or your adult life a violent crime. Can you talk to us about that experience and how that's affected your reporting and your approach to victims and victims families?
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Debbie Marshall
Sure. Yep. Yeah. So back in the day, back in the day in early 90s, I was divorced and had met a guy called Ron Jarvis who you know, I promptly fell in love with and he, you know, fell in love with me back, which helped. And he also loved my young daughter Louise, who at that point was two. So you know, we were a happy little band of married men for about. But Ron was a fisherman, a gorgeous man, just a country lad really. But he, unbeknown to me, was also involved in marijuana and he was hanging out with a very nasty character who I didn't know, a bloke called Stephen Standage. Cut a long story short, Ron Went missing one day and I knew that he had gone off to meet this Standage character. I didn't know why. And he didn't come home. And so I went looking for him for seven months. And I trawled through the muck of society, absolute muck of, you know, drug dealers and, you name it, trying to find out who he was. And in doing that, I knew instinctively that it was Standage. And I found him. And he then started to threaten me with my life.
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Back off.
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You wear cement boots. It impacted my life so greatly that I had to sell the house. Louise and I moved into state, but I never forgot him and I continued to go after him. And then after 10 years, he murdered someone else and his DNA this time gave him away. And then one day, out of the blue, I got a phone call from Tassie police saying, deb, we've just arrested Standage for Ron's murder. And it was the best day of my life. Because, you know, you have to live through murder and its impact and its terror that it leaves in its way to really understand, I guess, what it is. And, you know, it's one thing to lose a partner, but it's. It must be incomprehensibly dreadful to lose a child. So of all the books I've done and all the true crime stories and television and whatever, I never forget that. I never forget that I've been through a lot of pain, but, by God, what they've been through, you know, so it's always a privilege to hear their stories and to get their trust.
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Host
You've just done something that so many victims of crime or their families do. They say, oh, but, you know, I meet other people who have had worse things happen. And I just remind myself, and that's such. That's an incredible thing that so often people say to me who have lost loved ones to violent crime. It's incredibly humbling somehow, it seems to me, to lose someone to violence.
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Debbie Marshall
Yeah. Look, I have to say that I was the Crown's chief witness at his trial, at Standardge's trial. And, you know, these killers are cowards underneath, they really are. I mean, it's one thing to go after a woman at 2 o' clock in the morning with these phone calls when there's no one there, when there's a young. And she knows he knows that I'm alone in the house with a young child and, you know, but it's quite another when that. That young woman grows into an investigative crime journalist, is sitting across from him in Court going, I've nailed you, you know, I've helped nail you. And then, you know, my victim impact statement, he wouldn't look at me. I just kept saying to him, look me in the eye. And he wouldn't. So I said, well, if you can't do that, look up into the body of the court. And do you remember that four year old girl who was absolutely heartbroken? Well, there she is. She's that beautiful young girl who's now a journalist herself. She's the one in the red coat. Look up at her. You didn't.
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Host
Wow. Two powerful women.
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Debbie Marshall
I know. I tell you what, vengeance is sweet. Don't ever let anyone tell you anything different. They put a cold case team together down here in Hobart and they did an extraordinary job and those boys were fantastic. They kept me in the loop because I knew from the beginning, as I said, that it was standage. There was no question who it was. They just couldn't put that together. And then when they got him, you know, they did this fantastic sting and they, you know, got him to almost admit, but enough to get it over the line combined with the DNA.
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Host
Where is he now?
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Debbie Marshall
Well, he's in prison. He's serving 48 years. So I finished my victim impact statement by saying, I hope you never again see the sky as a free man. And I'll bid you farewell to your lonely prison cell while we go off and, you know, have dinners and travel the world and have a lovely life.
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Chilling. Fantastic. Yes. Your podcast. Then you decided to go there. This story, the family has haunted Adelaide and Australia, but really has haunted Adelaide for a very long time. What really happened? Because a person has been convicted, but there's always this lingering doubt that he wasn't the only person, that they were very powerful people involved who got away with it and that there's so much more to the story. And you decided to take up this case. Why? Why did you decide to do that?
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Debbie Marshall
Oh, because I absolutely knew in my heart and my gut that it had to be told and that after having done, you know, six true crime books that I was ready for this one. And, you know, my, my genre is serial killers, really and unsolved. So I've done some pretty horrific, you know, the Claremont serial killings in Perth, which is now, you know, he's been put away for that. Thank, you know, Derek Percy, who died before they could get him, and he's, you know, maybe, you know, eight kids in the 60s, and I have no doubt that he was probably involved with the, with the Beaumont children's. Disappearance in Adelaide back in the 60s. So I was ready to look at the family murders. So what we do know is that there are. So whilst Bevan Spencer von Einem, who is a pure psychopath, you know, think either malat same type of character whilst he was convicted for Richard Kelvin, the 15 year old boy in 1985, there are four outstanding murders. Now these boys were 14, aged between 14 and 25. Now in anyone's language, four outstanding murders in my opinion is not acceptable. So I wanted to go in and have a look at why that was the case, what was going on there. So I started with the Foxtel series plug here called Debbie Marshall Investigates Frozen Life and I put a call out on that series of people to come forward and in they came in, they came telling me stories about being picked up by this, you know, by men and drugged and sexually assaulted and let go. I came to think about that. What did that actually mean in real terms? Well, it meant to me that these were the lead up offences. And then I started looking at it more closely and there was something like 200, 200 laid up offences. And then I did the podcast and in doing both the podcast and the series, I came to recognize that there were suppressions sitting around people's names. So I wanted to have a look at why those suppressions were still there. And they were put on decades ago. We're talking something like four decades in the administration of justice, which is a really loose term which means not much apart from, you know, it's to protect people's reputations or maybe put their, you know, there was going to be a trial so that, you know, it didn't actually take their evidence. Well, that's not the case today. There is no trial mooted. It is four decades old. You know, we're talking generationally. Now that people are being handed this baton of grief, it just continues and continues and continues. And I think that these suppressions should not be a shield that stands eternal that we should be now looking at them. So I had five suppressions lifted during the course of the series and podcast. That was amazing. That was amazing. And one of the people who agreed to have his name lifted was a guy called Lewis Turter.
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Host
Oh God.
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Co-host
Yeah.
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Host
Because you were sort of arguing that, if I'm correct, it felt like you were arguing that the suppressions were put in place for purposes. You know, suppression orders have purposes and they were placed there at the time for specific purposes. And then they were sort of just left because. Because they were, they were there because they were there and no one had challenged them in the meantime. And those reasons no longer existed, so why have them?
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Debbie Marshall
Quite right. So, and that's. And then I, you know, spoke to lawyers in Adelaide and interstate who had a look at that and they all came up with the same thing. You know, these suppressions really don't hold any weight anymore. There seems to be not much purpose to them, certainly at the time when they were put on, you know, as I said, maybe a pending trial or. That's not the case today. So there were lots of names and we had to cut down the list of those names. And so that's how we ended up with five. But there are still names of people that hidden behind suppressions that. I think it'd be really lovely if a lawyer is listening to this, would like to have a chat with me because I'd be really, really keen to get involved in going back in. I didn't have the resources or the time to do that myself. But I think it's important. Not for me. I think people need to be really clear. This is not about me. This is about the victims and the victims families who want those suppressions lifted because they don't want that Badgeon anymore.
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Host
Could you take us through it, please? From your. Who knows where it began and ended. But as you see it, could you take us through the crimes? This, this story.
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Debbie Marshall
Okay, so it started in the 70s, so if we take our minds back, it was Don Dunstan. So it was a liberation of South Australia. Taking it out of that fusty, musty, mothballed image and bringing, you know, dragging, kicking and screaming into the light. It was Dunstan who, to his full credit, legalized homosexuality. You know, he was an incredible premier, but you know, he was also. He liked his parties.
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Host
I've always found Adelaide a swing in town. To be honest, Deb, I've always found Adelaide a particularly swinging town. Like I've gone there to tour as a comedian and I've gone for the festival. So I'll go and spend, you know, maybe four weeks there at a time over the years and it's the kind of town where you're offered a lot of drugs, there's a lot of swinging parties and the locals are incredibly friendly and yeah, yeah, it's the sort of town where you're embraced and yeah, it's a fun town.
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Debbie Marshall
It's a good town. Yeah, it's a really good town. I mean, I love Adelaide. I love a beautiful looking city. I love the state, I love the wines, the food, the people are fantastic. But, you know, we can't deny this dark side. It exists. It's real. You know, I spoke to a psychologist and I said, you know, South Australia's got this shocking reputation as being, you know, one of the murder capitals of the world. That's not right, is it? He said, no, it isn't. But it certainly punches above its weight in terms of serial killings. So, I mean, I did the book, for example, in the Snowtown serial killings, the Bodies in the Barrel, the book that the movie was based on. Wow. You know, that side of Adelaide that. That just the northern suburbs. Northern suburbs, you know, where you get the waft on a still day of the nearby abattoir, you know, people living in these sunless housing trust houses. And I went in there and virtually embedded there for quite a long time. I can tell you it was horrendous. You know, 11 killings. 12. One was. They were found not guilty. Shocking, shocking story. But then I turned my attention years later to the family murders in this book Banquet. And that other face, you know, the face of the festivals, the food and wine scene, you know, the gay scene.
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Host
Cabaret fest.
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Debbie Marshall
Yeah. Dunstan's, Adelaide, you know, with its high heels and its lipstick and it's, you know, I'm a flashy bitch now, you know. But caught up in all that excitement and caught up in that liberalization became. That's then started this really nasty underbelly. And we started to see it early in the 70s of the drug boys, you know, that the sexual assaults, the boys who got away, the very lucky boys who got away, who remain haunted, by the way, well into their adulthood.
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Host
The very famous beat along the Torrens there near the university.
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Debbie Marshall
Yeah, Number one beat. So you had. And then we had, you know, started the decade pretty well started with the drowning of Dr. George Duncan, the professor. And, you know, there were always rumors at that time. And later a couple of vice squad police officers went to court for being possibly involved or allegedly involved, and they were acquitted of that. So that remains unsolved. You know, let's go cast her mind back to the Beaumont children and the Rat Kit Gordon girls. You know, so we look, we're talking stains on South Australia that have been there a long time. And then, then Truro, and then we get into the. I mean, the Truro killings are astonishingly evil, you know, terrible, terrible murders of young women and then the family murders. And I called the book Banquet because I came to see it as like a medieval feast, a debauched feasting on young men. So think of it as a hunting party that these men are going out. Von Arn, you know, one of the head charangs, I'm not suggesting in the book that he is or was the main perpetrator getting these boys in the cars, drugged to the guilds and then taken back to houses, one of whom was Lewis Turtis. Where other people would be, Von Einem going in with other people, some of whom's names are suppressed. And you know, the door closes and the horror begins. Then we get into the murders. So the first murder, 1979, Alan Barnes, he was murdered actually on his 17th birthday. And it moves through. We've got a 17 year old, we've got an 18 year old, we've got a 14 year old, a 23 year old. It's horrendous. And always the same MO. Picked up, drugged, sexually assaulted. Richard Kilburn was held for, get this, five weeks.
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Host
Oh, that's so awful.
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Debbie Marshall
He was held for so long that his hair grew. And that according to a gay man who kept prolific diaries around that time. And I interviewed his brother who showed me these diaries and read bits of it for the podcast Horrendous. He was crying, I was crying. A hairdresser, a guy called Dennison, Dennis, who's now dead, went in and cut Richard Kelvin's hair. By all accounts, this is the boy who walked down to the bus stop to say goodbye to his best friend Carl, who'd been hanging out at Richard's house. Richard was the son of the newsreader.
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Host
Yeah, he was the son of the newsreader in Adelaide. His dad's really famous and as a joke on his way out the door, he's put on a dog lead, like a dog collar around his neck with sort of studs on it.
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Debbie Marshall
That's right. And Carl said, take it off, mate, you look stupid. So he took it off and he put it around his wrist. When I went into prison to interview von Einem, who's the only guy who's been convicted of the family murders, I went in in 2018 and even I was astonished that I got in there to meet him. I said to him, I caught him off guard, I caught him on the hop. He wasn't expecting my question. And I slithered in underneath him and said was because he'd always told the police that no, Richard Kilburn was not wearing a dog collar. They found him with the dog collar. They found his body with it. I said, was he wearing a dog collar? And he said, yes, he was. So I got him, I got him. And that's really important for a couple of reasons. One, it proves that he was lying too. If he was lying about that, what else was he lying about? Because he's always denied that he murdered Richard. And indeed at that meeting in prison, he said he blamed Richard, he blamed his victim, he said that he was gay. He was not. And even if he had been gay, so what, what was done to that boy is beyond depravity and indeed all the others. It's not that anyone that people didn't care about the other boys, but he was just happened to be the son of a very high profile newsreader and a much loved newsreader. So when his son went missing, all hell broke loose. You know, this was just out of control. Now you know this is the fifth boy from 1979. So Richard went missing in 1983. And you know there are no charges that they're not within cooey of working out who has done this or if they have worked it out, they haven't got enough evidence to charge Von Einem or anyone else.
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Host
So he was walking back to his house, right? He could see his house from the spot where he was abducted.
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Debbie Marshall
Yeah, he took Carl to the bus stop, he waved him off. And the last thing that Richard yelled out, Carl was mucking around because there were preachers on the other side of the road and they were mucking around to each other as 15 year old boys do. And the last thing that Richard yelled out was Hallelujah.
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Debbie Marshall
He was on his way home. He was scared of the dark. It was getting dark. It was winter, it was cold. And he tried to get home. Always makes me cry. Sorry. He tried to get home and those bastards wouldn't let him.
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Host
Was he?
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Co-host
No.
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Host
I know. It's just really. It's really unbearable. And.
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Debbie Marshall
It is unbearable. It is unbearable.
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Host
So he was. He was held by them for five weeks. Was that the longest? It feels. Was that the longest that they kept Any of their victims. It was the worst attack, wasn't it?
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Debbie Marshall
Yes, it was, it was. You know, when I was writing the book, I kept thinking, why? Why did they hold him so long? Were they playing that long? Really, really? Or was there so much heat on them that they couldn't. They had nowhere to put him. And, you know, it appears that Von Einem may have dropped him off or pushed him into the bush at that five week mark after he'd taken his mother to a family party. Here's a photo of von Einem eating cake and drinking tea from a dainty cup and then dropped him and then probably went back and picked up mum, took her home. They were hunting parties, they knew what they wanted. It was boys to order. And we're not just talking about that group of family murders. There was a coterie of different pedophiles, different groups of pedophiles in Adelaide at that time. One was a guy called Rick Marshall who's now dead, but he ran the Cottage Theatre. I mean he had boys on tap there. He would do a play and then sexually assault boys in the intermission. You know, it was like. And then go back on stage, you know, these are horrendous crimes that were going on right through the 70s, you know, and the lead up offences that the 200 boys with Von Einem and his shabby band of men.
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Host
Where did they keep Richard, by the way, for this five week period? Was he in one of these houses that they had or possibly.
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Debbie Marshall
We don't know because that, you know, Von Einem will never give up his secrets. He will take them to his grave. It's his little bit of power.
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Host
It's frustrating because Adelaide's a small town and the amount of information that you are able to divulge about some of those people feels like so many people must know who they are. I don't know who they are because I'm not from Adelaide. But I do know that it is the kind of town where, you know, a lot of people would know. So it's like it just, it's. It's such bullshit, isn't it? Like it feels like it's just like, come on again. What is the purpose?
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Debbie Marshall
Well, I think Lewis just said it better than anybody could when. So that, you know, that is in Jono's terms, that was a really good get.
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Host
Oh yeah.
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Debbie Marshall
I was astonished when he agreed to speak to me and I said, you know, can we sit? Can we talk rather than, you know, face to face? And he said, yeah. So 10 minutes later he was sitting in the back of our hire car with my director.
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Host
I can still visualize that in my mind. I was like. Because I could hear his nerves and him saying more than he planned to and more than he wanted to. And I was listening to you in my headphones and I was visualizing it. It was such an amazing thing to listen to.
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Debbie Marshall
It would be really good, actually, for your audience to actually hear a little bit of that, because I found the way he spoke extraordinary. And it was a really good lesson for me in really listening to not just what people are saying, but what they're not saying. So, you know, you may remember that when he would say okay, he would rise.
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Co-host
Yes.
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Host
Okay.
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Debbie Marshall
Okay, let's have a listen to that. Maybe.
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Let's. Let's go back to the beginning, Lewis.
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Debbie Marshall
Did you have any involvement with Von Einem?
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Lewis Turter
I had sex with Von Einem, but I didn't have anything to do with the murders all out there.
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Debbie Marshall
So nothing to do with murders at all?
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Lewis Turter
Nothing at all.
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Debbie Marshall
How.
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How did you come to meet Von Einem in the first place?
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Lewis Turter
Through a friend. To a friend.
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Debbie Marshall
Do you know who that friend was?
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Lewis Turter
Yes, but he's no longer here, so I can't really say his name. It's Brian, but I can't say his last name.
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Debbie Marshall
Brian Gant.
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Lewis Turter
Yes.
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Debbie Marshall
Okay.
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Brian Gant is also on the list of suppressed names we had lifted. He was another of Von Arnim's boyfriends. You know, we all have a circle of friendships.
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Who.
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What was your circle of friendship? Who were the people you hung out with?
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Lewis Turter
Well, most of them were dead now.
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Debbie Marshall
So it doesn't matter, but give me the names.
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Lewis Turter
So, Brian, Noel.
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Debbie Marshall
Yep. Noel, Brooks.
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Lewis Turter
Yes.
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Debbie Marshall
Brian Gant.
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Lewis Turter
Brian Gant. There was Prue.
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Debbie Marshall
Prue Furman.
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Lewis Turter
We stopped together through thick and thing. Okay.
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Debbie Marshall
Gantt, Brooks and Furman all appear in Von Einem's court transcripts and Trevor Peter's diaries.
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Prue said that Bevan von Einem frequently took drug young men there to have sex with them. She said that Lewis would always have the bed made and candles ready.
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Debbie Marshall
It was suggested that you, you know, with. With some of the people you just named, the boys were taken to your house and that you made the beds ready for those boys and that you lit the candles for them.
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Lewis Turter
Please know the guys came back to our place.
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Debbie Marshall
What sort of condition were these guys in?
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Lewis Turter
They were drugged. Von Eina. Drugged.
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Debbie Marshall
Do you know what? I think you're incredibly courageous to admit that. So how did you be in a position where Von Einem Was taking boys, drugged back to your house? Not just boys. Minors. Underage boys who were drugged back to your house. How come, Lewis?
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Lewis Turter
I don't know, honestly. It's a long time ago.
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Debbie Marshall
So how come you got the lucky dip?
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Lewis Turter
I think I was just stupid at the time, actually. But anyway, I can't live.
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Debbie Marshall
How many boys, Lewis?
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Lewis Turter
I don't know, honestly.
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Debbie Marshall
Roughly.
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Lewis Turter
Maybe half a dozen.
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Debbie Marshall
Okay.
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Lewis Turter
But that half a dozen were. Christy. The next morning. Okay. Broke up next morning, went home. So.
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Debbie Marshall
Went home. How would they get home, by the way?
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Lewis Turter
I could catch a train home or catch the bus home. That's fine.
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Debbie Marshall
Okay. So you say the boys were drugged.
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How drugged?
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In what condition were they to be giving consent?
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Lewis Turter
I don't know how they were drugged.
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Lewis Turter
How do they get sent? I don't know. Honestly, I don't know. All I know, they came, he dropped them off at our place, he went home, we let them sleep off, they left in the morning time.
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Debbie Marshall
Okay. This is not the story I've heard.
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Lewis Turter
Isn't it?
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Debbie Marshall
The story I've heard is this.
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And this is why it's very good that you're getting your right of reply here. Your opportunity to tell your side of the story. So the story I've heard is that the boys were dropped off by von Arnhem. He would sometimes leave them there. He would sometimes stay with them. But he was quite territorial with those boys. The things he wanted to do to those boys.
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Lewis Turter
I never saw anything. Nothing.
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Debbie Marshall
You never saw that.
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Lewis Turter
Never saw that there.
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Debbie Marshall
But you. But you know that that's what he. He did.
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Didn't.
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Lewis Turter
We heard afterwards. That's what he did, but he never did that. Why? They came out to my place. I wouldn't let that happen. Okay.
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Debbie Marshall
Okay. So what would happen to the boys when they got back to your place, then?
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Lewis Turter
They usually just sleep off.
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Debbie Marshall
Why would you accept drug boys back at your house?
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Lewis Turter
Because I was a stupid fool, wasn't I?
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Debbie Marshall
How old were you?
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Lewis Turter
Mid twenties.
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Debbie Marshall
Did anyone have sex with those drug boys back at your house?
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Lewis Turter
I suppose someone did, yes.
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Debbie Marshall
Who was there someone?
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Lewis Turter
Lewis, Noel and all those there. But I don't. Look, it's a long time ago.
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Debbie Marshall
Okay, could you please tell me who had sex with those boys?
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Lewis Turter
No, I'm sorry. That's going a bit too far.
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Debbie Marshall
Okay, so can I assume then, without you naming them, that they were the people that you named earlier?
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Co-host
Yes.
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Debbie Marshall
So I'll go through those names. So Prue Furman, who's now dead. Suppression has been lifted on her name, Noel Brooks, who is now dead suppression being lifted on his name. Brian Gant. Dead suppression lifted and suppression lifted on your name, dear. How come that all the others had sex with these boys and you didn't?
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Lewis Turter
Yes, I've had sex with the mofo.
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Debbie Marshall
Okay, Lewis, thank you. Transparency and truth always works, because there's no point otherwise.
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Lewis Turter
Okay.
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Debbie Marshall
You know, in his words, I said to him, what would you say to other people who have, you know, have suppressions around their name? He said, oh, for God's sake, have them lifted. It's time. Okay? It's time. It is time. It's way beyond time that those suppressions are lifted and that we. In the words of a fantastic lawyer in Adelaide, he said, debbie Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Oh, what a great phrase. It's so true. You know, Leonard Cohen said, that's how the light comes in. He actually didn't ask for that suppression to be put on. It was just put on around his name at the time. And now his mother's dead, he's agreed to have that suppression lifted. He was willing to share his stories and I think we need to acknowledge his courage, actually, in not just coming forward to have that suppression lifted or agreeing to it, but also in sitting with me on three occasions and talking to me. I'm sure he did say things that he wished he hadn't said, but it's not easy talking to a journalist at the best of times, and it's certainly not easy when you've got things tickling you awake at night as they do. Lewis Turter, you know, some of those memories he's got are pretty awful.
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Co-host
It's believed at least 150 young men and boys were abducted from the streets of Adelaide, drugged and raped by this one loose collective alone, who went on to be known as the Family. That nickname, by the way, came from a police detective during an interview on 60 Minutes, who took the opportunity to assure the public that police were taking action to break up the happy family of paedophiles that was hunting the streets of Adelaide. Five of the victims of that group are known to have been murdered, although many suspect there were more. The five known victims were Alan Barnes, aged 17, who was abducted while hitchhiking on June 18, 1979. His mutilated body was found six days later, dumped near South Para Reservoir. Neil Muir, aged 25, with no fixed address. Muir was last seen on August 28, 1979, after being ejected from an Adelaide club by a bouncer. His remains were found the next day in two separate garbage bags in the Port River. Peter Strognev, age 14, skipped school on Aug. 27, 1981 and was never seen alive again. A farmer burning off crops in Middle beach found his charred remains 10 months later. Mark Langley, aged 18, had an argument with friends near the Torrens river on the night of February 27, 1982 and got out of their car. They drove, drove off and returned later to find him gone. Nine days later, hikers found his remains in the Adelaide foothills. And finally, Richard Kelvin, aged 15, the son of local Channel Nine newsreader Rob Kelvin, who disappeared while walking home from dropping a friend off at the bus stop. He'd been held captive for five weeks. We've chosen not to go into detail about the injuries to the victims, but suffice to say there was a trademark Bevin Evan Spencer von Einem is the man believed to have inflicted those injuries and he's the only person to have been convicted in relation to any of these crimes. He was convicted of only one of the murders and that's Richard Kelvins. In 1984. He was sentenced to life in prison for that crime. Debbie Marshall met von Einem in Port Augusta prison in 2019.
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Debbie Marshall
I mean, my opinion of Von Arnim is not just that he is a coward with brutal sexual fetishes and fantasies, but that he's also probably impotent. I think that he played out. He wanted to be somebody. He didn't want to be the little bookkeeper that he was living at home with Mummy. He wanted to be a somebody. He'd tell people he was a gynecologist or a pilot. No, actually he was just a creep, you know, a real grub who's. Who tragically enacted his fantasies.
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Host
Yeah, because his sexual thing was really almost surgical, wasn't it? Without going into detail, like he wasn't. He had really weird fetishes.
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Debbie Marshall
It was. Yeah, yeah, it was. And you know, I know that, you know, true crime's everywhere and it's. People love it and so do I love it. I think it's a fascinating genre but I think we need to be really mindful that true crime is always told for the right reason. It is not entertainment, it is not entertainment. And I wouldn't want people to read my book as entertainment. Please read it for what it is, which is a very up close, very personal approach to what happened. Lots of ideas and lots of talking to other people about what happened, including getting to someone who was actually inside the investigation for the first time, which is great, but also looking at what was happening. Generally in South Australia.
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Co-host
Well, that's it.
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Host
I always say that I think true crime is valuable in that it's a window into systems in our society and how they're working and not working. And when you look at enough true crime you see consistent patterns of systems that are broken. Yeah, the suppression order situation is a classic example. You've just highlighted and shone a light on the fact that these orders are sitting there for no reason at all and protecting people for no reason at all. It's a classic example.
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Debbie Marshall
Correct. Yeah. And what I call for in the book, because I don't do true crime for entertainment because I try to get behind things and see if they're solvable. I'm just the caretaker of these people's stories, you know, so I'm the voice piece really for the families and the victims. I'm calling for a royal commission. They are calling for a royal commission. You know, let's let the light in. We do have outstanding murders. And going right back, right back to Dr. George Duncan, that's outstanding. Let's have a look at what was going on in Adelaide in the 60s, the 70s, you know those paedophile groups. I need help to try to get suppression orders lifted. And you know, it's resource heavy, takes money, it takes time, it's going to take a gutsy lawyer to want to get behind it. Or maybe someone who's retired who has time to do that. I know that there are some really, really good lawyers in this country and you know, why not get behind something that is so important? Because most of us are parents and all of us know that it is not acceptable to have unsolved murders of children or young men. That is not acceptable in anyone's language. So you know, I think we all need to pull together. I think people need to be voting with their feet, particularly in South Australia. A couple of days before deadline, I was looking for the 14 year old Peter Stognet's parents. I'd been looking for them for a year and I couldn't find them. And I got to the point where I thought maybe they're dead. I just couldn't find them. And I got an email from a Pentecostal pastor in Adelaide saying Mrs. Stognet wants to talk to you. She's senior series. I went, oh God, she's alive. Not just talk to me. She put me on a plane that afternoon. I sat down with this woman who at the four decade mark still cannot accept that it is her son in the grave. Now if you juxtapose that image of this broken woman begging me to please help her, try to talk to someone, to have her son's body exhumed again. Please tell me it's Peter. Debbie, please find me some proof. What do I do with that? And then you juxtapose that image of her against the image of Von Arnim, you know, this six foot five bloke cruising the streets and picking up boys that are later murdered. You know, I always think about him and the parents and the victims. Because he knows who else was involved in those murders. He's never going to tell us. So we need to try to interrogate that ourselves now. We need to try to prosecute that. Sunlight's the best disinfectant.
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Host
How did you find, sitting with him, what a strange experience. He's made himself such a mysterious figure, I guess, hasn't he? Because he. He's taken that he's gone to prison for the rest of his life. He's never spoken of the crimes. He's never given anyone else up. He's never given any details at all. What was that experience like?
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Debbie Marshall
Well, for a start, you know, I thought there was going to be like the, you know, what you see in American movies where there's a window between you and a phone and. Hello, I'm Debbie Marshall, you know, and you must be Mr. Von Einem. There was nothing. It was just him, six foot five and me, five foot one and a half, touching knees almost, whilst he sat there and spun this fantastic narrative about himself. Spun this fabulous fantasy about what. What a lovely man he is. And he didn't do it. And actually it was. It was Richard Kelvin's fault because he was passive and, you know, it wasn't him until we got to the dog collar when he realized, and as I say in the book, he. The words got out of his mouth before he could catch them. And then the psychopath came up. I saw him change so quickly that I thought, whoops, I'm in trouble here. Really, I'm in trouble here. And I later debriefed, as I had two, with a forensic psychologist and I said, you know, for a moment I thought that he might strangle me. And he said, there's a line between stupidity and courage and you've crossed it. He wouldn't have strangled you, he'd have snapped your neck and the guards wouldn't have had time to get to you.
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Host
Has he ever. What sort of prisoner is he?
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Co-host
Is he.
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Host
Has he ever, you know, enacted any violence inside or.
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Debbie Marshall
No, no, they. He used to be In Yatala. Well, he's now in Port Augusta, which is a long way up a lonely road. But Yattila, he had access to younger prisoners, one of whom, for example, came forward when he was released and said, you know, von Arnim raped me. And nothing was prosecuted from that. You know, he had something of a power trip. He was on something of a power trip in Yatala. Now, I'm pleased to announced that he's an old man in the old age unit, complains of having diabetes, little bits of heart failure. But his friend Paul, who sadly died, who was the guy who was the go between, his lifelong friend, who remained ridiculously loyal to him, but was a lovely man and just didn't want to turn his back on him, I guess. He gave me all the things that Von Arnim had given to him to hold onto when he went to prison. And one of them was stuff that had come out of prison since Von Ahm has been in there. Newspaper articles. Newspaper articles that Von Arnim hands, you know, hands around and marks circles and marks and signs and lends to other high profile prisoners, many of whom are pedophiles.
- [53:38]
Host
About himself or about, about the.
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Debbie Marshall
Snowtown murders, about the Beaumont children, about the family murders. It's like, how can this be? How are they getting access to this? How do they get this opportunity?
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Host
Well, I've heard there's a market, you know, because people inside get evidence to do with their own cases. So they get crime scene photos and stuff. Stuff that they share.
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Debbie Marshall
Yeah. Oh, look, absolutely. And you know, when I went in, he said, oh, because I was told, warned in no uncertain terms by a criminal profiler, be very careful. Give nothing of yourself away. Think Clarice darling, Silence of the Lamps. It actually was. And I, you know, I don't mean to sound dramatic saying that it was actually exactly the same, except she did have something between her and Hannibal Lecter. She said, give nothing of yourself away. And one of the first things he said to me, because they zero in on you, these psychopaths, he said, oh, I saw you on television the other night talking about the Snowtown thing. And I thought, oh my gosh, he's not just been tracking me a little bit ahead of me coming in. But why has he been given access to watch the Snowtown?
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Host
Yeah, he's so right.
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Co-host
Yeah.
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Debbie Marshall
You know, so as I say, you know, they salivate.
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Host
Yeah, that'd be like porn to those guys.
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Debbie Marshall
Absolutely. Absolutely. It's wrong. It's so wrong. So, you know, all of it is in the book. And the other reason I call it Banquet, not just because I saw it as a debauched feasting on young flesh, but when I was just nearing the end of the book, I found a quote by Robert Louis Stevenson that said, sorry, when I was not Sorry. When I was nearing the end of the podcast, I found a quote by Robert Louis Stevenson that said, everyone, sooner or later sits down to a banquet of consequences. And I put that to Lewis Furter. Everyone sooner or later sits down to a banquet of consequences. And he sighed and said, well, I guess this is my banquet. You know what? They all need to go to the banquet. It's time.
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Host
Do you know what became of the other people? I know that you. That we know who some of the other perpetrators were. What became of them?
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Debbie Marshall
Well, we don't know who else was involved in the murders. We do know through Lewis Turner telling us stories that von Arnim with some other people, his names are suppressed by Turner's account. Went back to his house on a couple of occasions that he knows of, and that drug boys were taken back there and were let go the next day. We know that.
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Host
We know the hairdresser died, don't we? The Dennis.
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Debbie Marshall
And Dennis died. And he was a very close friend of Von Arnim's. There were others. But the other thing about this suppression is. Which I found extraordinary, and I'm happy to stand corrected here, but my understanding is that when that suppression list was put in, that people are contacted. Are you happy to have the suppression lifted? Well, how many people are going to say yes? Louis Turter, to his credit, did one, for example. Her family was approached, she's now dead. And they said no. So suppression remains. I don't get that. No suppressions around dead people. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. You know, I think we just need to always come back to the question of the great injustice in all of this. You know, the unsolved murders.
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Host
Are Richard Kelvin's parents still living?
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Debbie Marshall
Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I made it took me a long time to come to it as a journalist. You know, we always want to talk to everyone, don't we? Firsthand. But I made a conscious decision not to approach the Kilburns. The person who did approach me on the back of the series was Carl, the young boy who was with Richard the day he went to the box. Stop.
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Co-host
Oh, God.
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Host
How is he?
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Debbie Marshall
He contacted me. He's a mess. He's a broken, broken adult. And he said, I have never been able to discuss this in all these years. And as I say in the book, nothing assuages his grief and his guilt that he was the survivor, I bet nothing. I said to him one day, carl, you know, maybe have you considered getting some help? And he's done that and he's come back fighting, fighting now and saying, let's do this together, Debbie. Let's. Let's go and, you know, do whatever we can. And calling himself for people, if you know something, please, please come forward. And I say in the book, you know, that the day he rang me and said, debbie, I'm getting some help and I'm feeling better, I'm feeling stronger, I'm feeling so much better, I say in the book, look. Hallelujah. Oh, God.
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Host
Good on you. Had he never had counseling before you suggested it?
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Debbie Marshall
No, he hadn't, but. But hallelujah. You know, the. The last words those two boys said to each other. But his mum, by Carl's account, and his father, Richard's father. Beautiful, beautiful people.
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Debbie Marshall
So I didn't. I didn't approach them and I do hope that, you know, they probably won't read the book so that they do understand why I chose to write it. It certainly wasn't for entertainment's sake. Mum was, you know, a real mum, as in worried about her kids. Fretted, as we all do, I guess. And Richard had had a bit of a cold and she fretted about him going down to the bus stop, being winter, you know, and why is he late coming home? And so she was talking to someone years later, a police officer, and he said, when is it harder hardest when you think, look back. And she said, because it had been winter, she said, when the leaves fall.
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When it's west.
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Here I go, I'm crying. I just, you know, I've wept buckets, buckets of tears doing this story for the last few years. But I can't imagine what the, you know, people like Alan Barnes, mother, Neil Muir's mother, Peter Stockmith's, you know, the parents, the mothers, the fathers, the siblings, this is for them.
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Co-host
Thank you to our guest today, Deb Marshall. Her book the Untold Story of Adelaide's Family Murders is available now. If you need support after listening to this podcast, you can call Lifeline on 131114 or contact 1-800-Respect on 1-800-737-732 or 1-800-Respect. Org AU. Indigenous Australian can contact 13Yarn on 139276 or 13yarn.org AU.
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Debbie Marshall
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Debbie Marshall
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