True Crime Tonight: Full Show (21/06/26)

Summary

Australian True Crime – True Crime Tonight: Full Show (21/06/26)

Episode Date: June 21, 2026
Host: Michelle Laurie
Producers: Matthew Tankard, Ruby Bartzis
Guest: CeCe Moore (Genetic Genealogy Expert)

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Episode Overview

This episode of True Crime Tonight explores the hidden shadows of crime in Australia and beyond, combining chilling documentary discussion with a deep dive into the world of DNA-driven investigations. Host Michelle Laurie, alongside producers Matthew Tankard and Ruby Bartzis, takes listeners through shocking true crime cases—from notorious internet-fueled manhunts (“Don’t F**k With Cats”) to the harrowing story of a murder motivated by maternal obsession (“Maternal Instincts”). Special expert guest CeCe Moore—renowned DNA detective—shares fascinating insights into how genetic genealogy is transforming the hunt for both criminals and missing persons.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. True Crime Hotline & Listener Community

• Michelle discusses the show's interactive element—listeners submitting case suggestions and questions via the "True Crime Hotline".
• Notable Quote:
  "We used to say that Australian true crime shows, we should sell tickets to men for meeting single women…there were just like hundreds and hundreds of great women and no men."
  — Michelle Laurie (02:03)
• The community directly shapes content, leading them to revisit notable documentaries like Don’t F**k With Cats.

Timestamps:

• [01:34] Origin of "True Crime Hotline"
• [02:25] On engaging more male listeners and planning live events across Australia

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2. Documentary Deep Dives

a. Don’t F With Cats (Netflix)

• Hosts reflect on the disturbing power of animal cruelty to cut through even the most hardened true crime fans.
• Michelle admits difficulty re-watching due to disturbing scenes involving kittens.
• Discussion on the psychology: Audiences may dissociate from human-vs-human violence, but animal brutality triggers a fundamentally different reaction.
• Notable Quotes:
  "We get humans hurting humans, but as soon as you bring cats in, they're like—we're like, seriously, don't f with cats, mate. You can't do that."
  — Michelle Laurie (03:57) <br> "There's no reason to kill a human, but there's definitely no reason to kill a cat."
  — Matthew Tankard (05:55)
• Emphasis is placed on the remarkable work of amateur online investigators in aiding the actual criminal investigation.

Timestamps:

• [03:55] Discussing the difference in empathy for animal vs human victims
• [06:17] Applauding the internet community for helping catch the perpetrator and warning about graphic content

b. Maternal Instincts (Netflix)

• Maternal Instincts is presented as a must-watch, detailing the case of Taylor Parker—a woman who murdered a friend to steal her unborn baby after faking her own pregnancy.
• Ruby describes her shock and obsession, watching the ending repeatedly due to disbelief.
• The hosts dissect Parker’s elaborate deception, including the use of fake pregnancy bellies.
• Discussion shifts to real-world consequences, such as how Parker’s own social circle was suspicious due to impossible biology (Parker had previously undergone a hysterectomy).
• Legal and ethical issues are explored—the conflict between medical confidentiality and the imperative to prevent tragedy.
• Notable Quotes:
  "She essentially killed one of her closest friends at the time and cut out her baby."
  — Ruby Bartzis (08:10) <br> "Many people watching this unfold on Facebook…knew that Taylor had had a hysterectomy…her pregnancy was impossible."
  — Michelle Laurie (12:00)
• The documentary’s brevity (1.5 hrs) leaves them wanting more detail, but it's praised for its intensity.

Timestamps:

• [07:31] Ruby’s rave about Maternal Instincts
• [09:00] Techniques used to fake pregnancy
• [12:00] Medical professionals’ ethical dilemma and aftermath

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3. Expert Interview: CeCe Moore, DNA Detective

a. Role of Genetic Genealogy in Solving Crime

• CeCe Moore introduces her field: using consumer DNA test data for criminal investigations.
• She explains the process, from developing SNP profiles to triangulating relatives and narrowing suspects or identifying remains.
• Emphasizes widespread support for DNA use in law enforcement, citing research showing over 90% public support, despite loud critics.
• Highlights utility not just in finding perpetrators, but in exonerating innocent people—ending wrongful suspicion, sometimes decades after the fact.
• Notable Quotes:
  "What we're doing is reverse engineering an unknown person from their DNA…creating what we call a SNP profile…" — CeCe Moore (13:41) <br> "For every one of those [cases solved], we have exonerated billions of people. It might sound silly, but it’s actually really important…" — CeCe Moore (15:41)
• Michelle notes that uploading personal DNA information is a contentious topic. CeCe reframes it as a powerful tool for justice and prevention of wrongful conviction.

Timestamps:

• [13:41] CeCe outlines investigative genetic genealogy
• [15:10] Ethics and public opinion on sharing DNA data
• [15:41] Exoneration and preventing wrongful incarceration

b. Infamous Cases & Investigative Breakthroughs

• CeCe recounts the story of Robert Brashears—a serial killer she linked to multiple murders across jurisdictions.
• Details obstacles faced: Brashears faked his death several times, changed his methods, and crossed legal boundaries, making traditional police work almost impossible.
• The breakthrough in the “yogurt shop murders” case came from a fresh ballistics check and then DNA cross-reference—a process she advocated for years.
• Notable Quote:
  "He was perpetrating violent crimes in different jurisdictions…and it used to be so much easier to get away with crimes if you did that…now they are [listening to me]."
  — CeCe Moore (16:55; 17:58)
• Discusses the emotional toll: rare cases (like Brashears) stick with her, despite dealing with hundreds of cases.

Timestamps:

• [16:55] Brashears’ background and investigative twists
• [18:20] Scope of CeCe’s work: “over 375 cases” assisted

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "We can help cut down the number of wrongful incarcerations and eliminate the vast majority of people from ever being wrongly suspected of violent crime."
  — CeCe Moore (15:41)

• "It's just the wildest nightmare you can think of really."
  — Michelle Laurie on Maternal Instincts (07:52)

• "We were just watching this, going, how is she gonna get out of this? When they heard that a woman had been murdered and the baby was missing, they immediately thought, it's her. It's Taylor."
  — Michelle Laurie (12:22)

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Segment Timestamps Overview

• 00:37: Show intro and team introductions
• 01:34: Launching the “True Crime Hotline”
• 03:55: Don’t F With Cats—ethical boundaries in true crime viewing
• 07:31: Ruby’s Maternal Instincts documentary review
• 13:31: Interview with CeCe Moore—DNA in crime solving
• 15:41: CeCe on exoneration, wrongful suspicion
• 16:55: Infamous serial killer case recap (Brashears)
• 18:20: CeCe on scope and personal impact of her work

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Takeaways & Reflections

• The emotional boundary: The hosts agree that animal cruelty uniquely disturbs audiences—even true crime veterans—underscoring the importance of content warnings and viewer discretion.
• Community input shapes the show: Listener suggestions continually direct new content and discussions.
• DNA technology is a double-edged sword: While fears about privacy persist, the overarching consensus (among both experts and the public) is that genetic genealogy provides an essential tool for delivering closure and justice.
• The impact of dedicated investigators: CeCe Moore's persistence in unresolved cases demonstrates that new investigative methods can break through where traditional policework once stalled.

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Final Thoughts

The episode blends fan engagement, detailed documentary critique, and enlightening expert testimony, tying together contemporary challenges and breakthroughs in crime detection. For those fascinated by criminal psychology, investigative twists, or forensic innovation, this episode provides a rich array of insights, warnings, and, above all, a sense that “nothing ever happens in your town” may be the biggest myth of all.

Transcript

[Ruby Bartzis]

Warning.

[Michelle Laurie]

This is a true crime segment and not suitable for children. It contains references to sexual violence and suicide, which some listeners may find distressing. If you need support, you are not alone. Contact Lifeline on 13, 11, 14 or visit lifeline.org au for 24 hour support. We don't know precisely. It's a voice that will send shivers down your spine.

[Matthew Tankard]

Standoff with police wanted fugitive step 19 times.

[Michelle Laurie]

The suspect lured the victim into the wood. Biggest legal dramas in Hollywood today is amazing. To show what the system can do.

[Matthew Tankard]

This is True Crime Tonight.

[Michelle Laurie]

Hello, everybody. This is True Crime Tonight. I'm your host, Michelle Laurie, and I'm here with my producers, Matthew Tangard.

[Matthew Tankard]

Hello.

[Michelle Laurie]

And Ruby Bartzes.

[Ruby Bartzis]

Hello.

[Michelle Laurie]

Hello. If you're just joining us, if you've just jumped in the car on a Sunday night and gone, what the hell? Well, have we got something for you. It's True Crime Tonight. For the next hour, we're talking true crime, we're talking documentaries, books, and we've got an interview coming up later in the show with a lady called Cece Moore. And if you are into true crime documentaries, I promise you've seen her because she is in all of them these days. She is a DNA detective. So hang in there for that. Don't let the kids hang in there, though, because this is a true crime show. It is not appropriate for them. Totes inappropes, but for you. I'm feeling like I'm talking to the kids in your car right now, but for you, it's awesome. Up next, we're actually going to hear from a listener, which is my favourite bit of the show. And we've decided to call this the True Crime Hotline.

[Matthew Tankard]

What an incredible name.

[Michelle Laurie]

Thanks, you. I've been in radio for a long time. I like snapping snappy titles for things. How do we receive them? How do people send us a message?

[Matthew Tankard]

Matthew, it's basically sending like a voicemail and you can find it in the show notes of any Australian true crime podcast episode or you can find us on social media at Australian True Crime Podcast.

[Michelle Laurie]

There you go.

[Matthew Tankard]

Hey, Michelle. Absolutely loving True Crime Tonight.

[Michelle Laurie]

I think I'm your number one fan. Just wondering, when you're doing a live show, when am I gonna get to see you live? Aw, that's so sweet. And also, I love that it comes from a man because we used to say that Australian true crime shows, we should sell tickets to men for meeting single women, because that was like, I'd look out and there were just like hundreds and hundreds of great women and no Men. There'd be like maybe literally two or three men who'd been dragged along by their girlfriends, but more men now. And this is.

[Cece Moore]

That's good.

[Ruby Bartzis]

Yes.

[Michelle Laurie]

So we definitely will be doing iHeart Live events.

[Ruby Bartzis]

Oh, my God, that's so exciting.

[Michelle Laurie]

Isn't that fun? Yeah, it's like on Bruno Mars or something. Doing an iHeartLive event. That's how I feel.

[Ruby Bartzis]

Right.

[Michelle Laurie]

And yeah, so that'll be definitely coming up. I love to have in every different city a local person. So I like to talk. A local crime in Brisbane, a local crime in Adelaide. Haven't been to Perth yet. I know Perthlings are upset about that, but no, I have not been there yet.

[Cece Moore]

We'll get there.

[Ruby Bartzis]

Let's change that.

[Michelle Laurie]

Yeah, we haven't been to Tassie yet either. So we'll definitely. Now that we've got the I Heart juggernaut behind us, heaven knows where we'll end up. But that will be the plan. I will definitely be grabbing. So if you know anyone, if you are someone in those cities around Australia who would love to jump on stage with me, talk me through a case and take some questions and answers from the audience, please contact me. Cause we will be putting that together very soon. Oh, and let's not forget that it was through one of these messages on our true crime hotline that we were sent away to watch Don't F with Cats Again. There was a listener said, hey, what do you think about that documentary? And we realized, gosh, it's so long since we've watched it, we went back and watched it again, which was hard work, to be honest. I didn't want to watch it. I found myself putting it. Now, normally, I'm more than happy to watch a good true crime documentary a couple of times. There are some that I watch annually, but this one, I kept thinking, no, not today. It's the cat cruelty. And even though a human being died in this as well, this guy, Luke

[Matthew Tankard]

Manotta, well, he's the killer.

[Michelle Laurie]

He's the killer. He murdered a human as well. But what I like about it is there's a lot of conversation about why is it that we true crime people are sort of dissociated from that. We get humans hurting humans, but as soon as you bring cats in, they're like, we're like, seriously, don't f with cats, mate. You can't do that.

[Ruby Bartzis]

Well, yeah, so I went and watched it for the first time and I didn't even skip out the bits. You told me not to.

[Michelle Laurie]

You didn't well, this is it. Last time when we got this sort of challenge, I said to everyone, listen, if you Google which are the worst bits for animal cruelty, it tells you you can find out and you can skip them. Like, I never saw those.

[Ruby Bartzis]

I did.

[Michelle Laurie]

Oh, no, mate, I can't even see it. Listen, I've got a little bit of the trailer here for you to listen to. And just to either remind you or in case you've never seen it before, I cut the sound of cats out of this. Cause it was so triggering for me. It was just kittens, you know, doing their beautiful little thing. And also. Cause I foster kittens, so it's like, oh, God, I spend the entire summer trying to keep kittens alive and hearing their beautiful little voices in this trailer. I was like, nah, I can't. So I cut it out. But here it is. Just to promote your memory.

[Ruby Bartzis]

I was on Facebook one day and

[Michelle Laurie]

I found this video. I pressed Play. It was the worst video I've ever seen. People went nuts. So we started looking.

[Ruby Bartzis]

He could have been anywhere on the planet.

[Michelle Laurie]

All of a sudden, another video appear. My mind doesn't want to believe it's true. Don't f. With cats.

[Ruby Bartzis]

It comes back to your question, Michelle. Like hurting innocent animals that it's the innocence. They can't defend themselves. They can't tell anyone is so much bigger than them.

[Michelle Laurie]

Yeah. Matthew, you're a cat guy.

[Matthew Tankard]

Yes, I am. And I will, you know, I'll cover Jonny's ears for this. But I did watch it with all the bits.

[Michelle Laurie]

Joni's his cat, not his girlfriend.

[Matthew Tankard]

Yes, that's well said. It really is just, you know, there's no reason to kill a human, but there's definitely no reason to kill a cat. So it's very much like this person's a sadistic, evil person. You know, there's no, like, money involved, there's no romance, there's no passion, nothing. It's like you're doing it just for, like, hate's sake.

[Ruby Bartzis]

Hate, you know?

[Michelle Laurie]

This documentary is also a great one for watching people use the Internet, use their skills online for something amazing, which is catching this guy. Highly recommend. But skip the worst bits. Coming up next, we're going to be talking to Cece Moore. Is that next?

[Ruby Bartzis]

That's next.

[Michelle Laurie]

Oh, my gosh. She is. I love her so much. She pops up on all the documentaries now. She is the DNA detective. She just traces people's family trees. She'll get like a DNA sample and then she tracks these family trees up and down and sideways and everywhere. And she. She identifies people.

[Cece Moore]

Yeah.

[Matthew Tankard]

I can't wait to hear from Cece more. But Ruby was telling me before we recorded that she just cannot wait to tell us about this true crime documentary that she needs to tell us about.

[Michelle Laurie]

Okay, so let's do that. Okay.

[Matthew Tankard]

And then we'll get Cece in.

[Michelle Laurie]

Okay, fair enough.

[Matthew Tankard]

You're listening to True Crime Tonight. We'll be right back.

[Michelle Laurie]

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[Matthew Tankard]

around Australia. This is True Crime Tonight with Michelle, Laurie, Ruby, Bart, Sis, and me, Matthew Tankard.

[Michelle Laurie]

Ruby, I believe you want to talk to us about Maternal Instincts, the new documentary on Netflix. And my Internet is blowing up about this.

[Ruby Bartzis]

Oh, my God. I finished it last night. I haven't stopped to thinking about it. I've actually, like, re. Watched the ending like 10 times.

[Matthew Tankard]

Wow.

[Michelle Laurie]

Really?

[Ruby Bartzis]

It blew my mind. It's effed up.

[Michelle Laurie]

Yep.

[Ruby Bartzis]

It's.

[Michelle Laurie]

Well, it's just wild nightmare you can think of, really. Tell us about it. Who is it about? Who's our leading lady?

[Ruby Bartzis]

So the murderer.

[Michelle Laurie]

Yes.

[Ruby Bartzis]

Was Taylor Parker. She was. I mean, she gave not mental case in a lot of ways.

[Michelle Laurie]

Yeah.

[Ruby Bartzis]

But a lot of people were onto her. She was a massive liar and she essentially killed one of her closest friends at the time and cut out her baby. So she was 36 weeks pregnant? I'm pretty sure, yeah.

[Michelle Laurie]

Up until that point, she. She faked a pregnancy. Right. She fell in love with this guy. It was so crook because. Well, for many reasons, but not least, I think the fact that he was never in love with her, never pretended to be in love with her. They'd only been together a couple of months. She's obsessive, I guess.

[Ruby Bartzis]

Yeah.

[Michelle Laurie]

She faked a pregnancy and then got to a point where she was like, okay, how am I getting out of this? And her solution was to go and take someone else's baby.

[Matthew Tankard]

But wait, how did she fake it up until that bit? Was she looking pregnant? How was she?

[Ruby Bartzis]

She had like a fake belly. But I was like, halfway through, I'm like, this can't be real because how. How are you not doing the deed?

[Michelle Laurie]

How is your boyfriend not seeing your real body?

[Ruby Bartzis]

You're living together.

[Michelle Laurie]

He can only be that drunk so many times and not actually notice your body when he's with you. But she was.

[Ruby Bartzis]

She was that covering it up.

[Michelle Laurie]

It made me think of all the celebrity. The conspiracies around celebrity pregnancies, from Beyonce to Meghan Markle. There's corners of the Internet that will swear that they were fake pregnancies and they actually had surrogate mothers for their babies. So seeing the actual apparatus that you can buy online, this rubber, pink rubber belly.

[Matthew Tankard]

Yeah. And how can it expand? Can it get bigger?

[Michelle Laurie]

No, you have to keep buying bigger ones. But get this. She didn't. So her family would go. She didn't seem to get bigger. In fact, sometimes she looked quite thin.

[Ruby Bartzis]

Yeah. And then some days I don't think she even wore it because there's actually photos. Like her neighbor took photos of her. She didn't even look like she had a belly.

[Michelle Laurie]

She's in the front nine months. Supposedly eight or nine months pregnant, and she doesn't look like she has a belly at all. So that's why everyone started to get sus. But we've got a little bit for you here. This is from Maternal Instincts on Netflix, available now. And as I say, my Internet's blowing up about this. Here she is, she's in hospital after the police have put her over for driving erratically. She's holding a baby in her lap, a newborn baby. She's saying, I just had this baby. They catching on pretty quick that maybe she didn't. So they. They're asking her about it in hospital, and then they call in a gynecologist to. To check her over. Here it is. You gave birth to this child.

[Matthew Tankard]

Yes.

[Michelle Laurie]

So it surely doesn't look like a

[Matthew Tankard]

baby came out of there.

[Michelle Laurie]

Look like she had a baby.

[Ruby Bartzis]

It doesn't.

[Matthew Tankard]

No.

[Michelle Laurie]

Okay. Does not look like she had a baby. It does not look like she had a baby.

[Ruby Bartzis]

I mean, how. How did she think she was getting away with this at all? Like, you have to go to the hospital.

[Michelle Laurie]

And even at that point, she's still saying, yeah, I did. Yeah.

[Ruby Bartzis]

She's still convincing.

[Michelle Laurie]

Yeah, I sure did.

[Ruby Bartzis]

This baby, it's a little girl.

[Cece Moore]

Yeah.

[Ruby Bartzis]

And they're all onto the fact. So the police had found the body of this woman. Her family found her murdered in her own home. So, I mean, put two and two together. There was literally no doubt in these people's mind that this lady did it.

[Matthew Tankard]

Was this a close friend of hers as well, or is this.

[Michelle Laurie]

It was a lady who really championed her. A lady who met, you know, when Taylor took photos for her at her wedding, and then they became friends. And this lady thought Taylor was struggling a bit. So Regan is her name. So she really tried to befriend her and encourage her. And she was very young herself. She was, like, 21. This was her second baby. And look, we have just touched the surface of this. There is so much more going on here. There is the fact that many people watching this unfold on Facebook, watching the gender reveal and everything about this pregnancy, many people knew that Taylor had had a hysterectomy.

[Matthew Tankard]

Yes.

[Ruby Bartzis]

Like, oh, my God.

[Michelle Laurie]

And her pregnancy was impossible. So she's got old friends and people and her old doctors looking at this,

[Ruby Bartzis]

going, she has no uterus.

[Michelle Laurie]

What is going on here?

[Matthew Tankard]

Yes. And I saw that bit. I found that so interesting about how the doctors who know that she's had a hysterectomy, they're seeing all this online, but they know they can't tell anyone because they've got the. They did the Hippocratic oath.

[Michelle Laurie]

Right.

[Matthew Tankard]

Where they can't disclose that sort of information.

[Michelle Laurie]

Yeah.

[Matthew Tankard]

It's private.

[Michelle Laurie]

It's private information. So when they heard.

[Matthew Tankard]

But where's the limit for that story?

[Michelle Laurie]

I agree. And I think they must be asking themselves the same question, because when they must be devastated, they knew something bad was gonna happen. And they said so. They were like, we were just watching this, going, how is she gonna get out of this? When they heard that a woman had been murdered and the baby was missing, they immediately thought, it's her. It's Taylor. They knew exactly who it was. So, look, you've gotta watch this. It's definitely one of the best, one of the best I've seen in ages. Isn't it on Netflix?

[Ruby Bartzis]

Yeah. And it's only like an hour and a half, and I could not get my eyes off it.

[Michelle Laurie]

I would have liked six hour and a half episodes.

[Ruby Bartzis]

Yeah, right. There's so much information that I'm like, tell us more.

[Michelle Laurie]

Yes, do go and watch that. And also, I tell you, the one person who's not in it, which is weird, but I suppose there's no one missing because whenever there's someone missing in a documentary these days, whether it be an offender or a victim, they get one lady on the documentary to talk about it. Her name is Cece Moore. She's a DNA detective and she's on our show next.

[Matthew Tankard]

This is True Crime Tonight with Michelle Lorre.

[Michelle Laurie]

This is True Crime Tonight. I'm your host, Michelle Laurie, and I'm here with my producers, Matthew Tankett and Ruby Bartzis.

[Cece Moore]

Hello.

[Michelle Laurie]

Cece Moore is one of the world's leading genetic genealogists, using DNA and family tree analysis to solve cases that once seemed Impossible.

[Cece Moore]

What we're doing is reverse engineering an unknown person from their DNA. So whether that DNA is left behind at a crime scene, a violent crime, we work with homicides and rapes, or if it's a person who dies without their identification, a Jane or John Doe or unidentified human remains is the more formal term. And so it doesn't really matter which it is because it's the exact same process. It is taking that DNA, creating what we call the SNP profile that has hundreds of thousands of genetic markers across the genome and then that is uploaded to the genetic genealogy databases that we're allowed to use on these types of cases and we get a list of people who share significant amounts of DNA with that unknown person. So there are over 54 million people who have taken direct to consumer DNA tests. Now the biggest database is ancestry DNA and then 23andMe and then MyHeritage is a very close third.

[Michelle Laurie]

Now there's a lot of people who criticize the idea of uploading our genetic footprint, fingerprint, whatever it's called, our code. Why is that? Because I'm one of those people. I think about it very simply and I think, well, I'm not going to murder anyone. And so I don't care if my code is uploaded. And also if someone I'm related to did murder someone, then I'd be happy to help find them.

[Cece Moore]

And I think the majority of people agree with you. I hear a lot of naysayers and a lot of very loud negative voices, but I was involved in a long term study with Baylor university here over five years and we found that 91% of people across the board were supportive of using genetic genealogy to find both violent criminals and even a little higher percent for Jane and John Doe cases.

[Michelle Laurie]

It feels like it's more likely to exonerate people, which is why it's so important.

[Cece Moore]

I'm so glad you bring it up because we're usually focused on putting someone behind bars, finding the guilty, but for every one of those, we have exonerated billions of people. And that might sound silly, but it's actually really important because we can help cut down the number of wrongful incarcerations and we can eliminate the vast majority of people from ever being wrongly suspected of a violent crime. So if we had been able to use genetic genealogy back 20, 30 years years ago when some of these cases were being investigated, we could have kept those wrong turns by law enforcement from ever happening. And I've been contacted by a lot of people who were just informally suspected, never charged, with the crime. But they carried that burden for years or decades where their community or their family suspected them. And so we're exonerating, both formally and informally, many, many people with each of these cases that we hope to find the case, you know, truly responsible person.

[Michelle Laurie]

I was watching one story about you where you were hunting a serial killer and you were going back through the family trees and then you were researching the people in the family trees and this guy had faked, seems like had faked his own death at some point.

[Cece Moore]

He had, like I was just going

[Michelle Laurie]

to mention two or three obituaries.

[Cece Moore]

Read my mind. Yes, I thought of him immediately when you were saying that because he was perpetrating violent crimes in different jurisdictions. And it used to be so much easier to get away with crimes if you did that. So, yes, hit Robert Brashears, who was recently tied to a very high profile unsolved case, the yogurt shop murders. I had identified him back in 2018 as a serial killer on other cases, the Sharers and also Genevieve Zatricky. And the yogurt shop murders was a case I had actually been brought into to advise on. And I had talked to the family, but they did not have enough DNA to perform investigative genetic genealogy. And they really started breaking it open by a ballistics match. The new detective decided to start from scratch and go through everything. And he resubmitted the ballistics to the national database and got a match. And that is what then finally started cracking the case open. And it came back around to matching the DNA profile that I had identified back in 2018. And that was someone that I was absolutely convinced had more unsolved cases out there. And I was screaming from the rooftops saying, pay attention to this guy. I know he has more victims out there, but nobody was really listening to me much. But now they are.

[Michelle Laurie]

He was so difficult to track in using traditional ideas and traditional techniques because he had different MOs. There was a strangulation murder of one woman. There was a woman and her 12 year old daughter murdered, shot, I believe. And then. And as you say in different jurisdictions. And then the yoghurt shop murder is four teenagers murdered after work in the yogurt shop and then the shop set on fire. So my small team and I have

[Cece Moore]

helped law enforcement with over 375 cases now where we've been able to help them identify the DNA. And that means hundreds of violent criminals. And I'm usually able to set it aside and go to the next case because I have to, right? I have to be able to compartmentalize, but I've never been able to shake him. He has stayed with me since 2018, since I first found him, and I just knew there was more to his story. And so having the orchid shot murders end up being tied to him, that he's responsible for it did not surprise me at all. It only surprised me that it was a case I was already kind of peripherally involved in.

[Michelle Laurie]

Thank you to our guest tonight, CeCe Moore, the DNA detective. And if you'd like to hear more from her, you can check out a longer interview on the podcast Australian True Crime, which is available on the Iheart Apple or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for listening to True Crime tonight. Thank you, guys. Any lessons, any takeaways for you tonight?

[Ruby Bartzis]

Not gonna be watching animal abuse documentaries from now on.

[Michelle Laurie]

Well, I think there's a reason why there aren't many.

[Ruby Bartzis]

Yeah.

[Michelle Laurie]

Yeah, Isn't it?

[Matthew Tankard]

This might be the only one. I could be totally wrong with that, but I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that I think

[Michelle Laurie]

that was part of it. Don't f With Cats. That it was. So that was the title. So it was like, oh, God, this is going to be about animal. It was a very brave move on the part of Netflix to put this out, I think. So either watch it or don't, but be aware that it's out there and it is really great. And we're out there and we're pretty great as well. And we're here every Sunday from 6 till 7. We'll see you next week.

[Ruby Bartzis]

Bye.